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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, May 2, 2019 in Des Moines, Iowa.
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A
With
each
speaker
being
allowed
a
maximum
five
minutes,
the
applicant
isn't
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
is
enclosed
in
the
Commission,
we'll
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue
items
listed
under
consent,
a
portion
of
the
agenda
discussed
for
approval
in
accordance
with
the
staff
recommendation,
unless
there
is
an
individual
present
or
a
member
of
the
Commission
that
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda.
A
A
Please
notify
us
at
least
three
business
days
in
advance
at
two
eight
three,
four,
two:
zero
nine
should
special
accommodations
be
required
plan
on
Zoning
Commission
meetings
are
broadcast
on
media
cable,
channel
seven
point
one
or
seven
point
two
for
customers
with
that
service
transportation
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
can
be
scheduled
to
it
from
Dart
Central
Station
at
six
twenty
Cherry
Street.
Please
call
dart
on
call
scheduling
at
two
eight
three,
eight
one.
Three
six:
should
you
need
transportation
calls
are
accepted
up
until
5:00
p.m.
of
the
day.
Prior
to
the
meeting.
A
Please
be
sure
to
mention
your
request
that
you
require
transportation
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
at
this
location.
This
notice
is
intended
to
comply
with
the
accessibility
requirements
of
the
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act,
and
it
looks
like
we
have
a
quorum
any
action
on
our
minutes
of
April
18th
move.
B
C
A
Alright
and
we're
there
any
nays
all
right,
seeing
that
our
first
consent
item
I
vote
is
a
city
initiated
request
for
vacation
of
North
alley,
south
north
south
valley,
right
away
between
southeast
10th
and
southeast
11th
Street
from
Scott
Avenue
to
Shastri
and
I.
Believe,
there's
a
request
in
the
audience
that
we
remove
this
item
for
a
public
hearing.
Is
that
correct?
Okay,
we
will
do
that.
Our
public
hearing
tonight
is
a
request
from
our
toy
development
for
review
and
approval
of
a
site
plan.
A
A
D
D
Chair
members
of
the
Commission
Michael
Ludwig
planning
administrator,
the
request
for
the
seating
was
a
City
Council,
initiated
request
to
vacate
in
a
holiday
that
exists
between
southeast
10th,
southeast
11th,
Scott,
Avenue
and
Shaw
Street.
The
subject:
property
I
got
a
couple
photos
of
the
of
the
alley
itself.
It's
not
an
improved
alley.
Currently,
you
car
that's
parked
on
a
portion
of
that
and
then
the
other
end
of
that
alley.
So
it's
not
reversible,
except
for
from
one
direction.
D
The
in
the
staff
court
you'll
note
that
there
was
a
reference
to
a
parcel
that
needed
access.
You'll,
see
this
property
right
here
is
a
parcel
it's
owned
by
Polk
County
than
may
be
to
maintain
access
force
on
the
staff
recommendation.
We
were
recommending
vacation
of
this.
This
paper
alley
basically
subject
to
provision
of
of
access
to
that
parcel
I'm
available.
If
you
have
any
questions.
A
E
D
D
E
E
C
E
E
The
problem
is
when
they
first
moved
in,
we
discussed
the
early
way
and
that
they
had
six
vehicles
and
they
wanted
to
park
their
cars.
I
used
the
alleyway
to
gain
access
to
my
driveway
and
we've
been
parking
there
for
almost
40
50
years,
never
had
a
problem
now
that
they
want
to
move
in
and
put
all
the
cars
there.
They
asked
if
it
was
okay
to
use
the
other
way
and
I
said
no
problem
and
then
later
down
the
road
they
said
they
wanted
to
purchase
the
other
way.
E
I
said
well
what
happens
to
my
access
to
me
being
able
to
park
my
car
there?
They
said
well,
we'll
share
it.
When
I
saw
that
would
be
fine
long
as
you
don't
park
on
before
the
sidewalk
and
leave
that
open,
so
I
can
get
in
and
out.
Well
there.
They
currently
have
lots
of
people
come
in
park.
The
vehicle
there
I
either
have
to
wait
or
I
have
to
go
over
and
tell
them.
E
E
It's
just
been
a
reoccurring
issue
ever
since
they
have
everything
and
I'm
kind
of
like
well.
If
they
do
get
access
to
this
alleyway,
it
puts
me
in
a
jam
as
far
as
all
I
have
to
take
and
put
it
in
a
cut.
The
curb
out
put
in
a
driveway
up
to
the
sidewalk,
so
I
can
get
into
my
garden,
which
I've
never
had
to
do
before.
E
So
that's
kind
of
where
I
stand
at
it
right
now,
and
not
only
that
we've
maintained
that
only
way
I
moved
in
there
in
2005
city
has
never
ever
cut.
The
grass
cross
has
grown
2
to
3
feet.
They've
had
a
tree
there
and
numerous
branches
falling
I've
always
picked
it
up.
I've
always
clean
the
alleyway
I've
always
taken
care
of
it.
So
I've
never
had
a
problem
with
the
alleyway
itself.
E
It's
just
been
a
public
alleyway
for
all
people,
in
that
neighborhood
I
had
a
neighbor
that
lived
behind
me
and
I
actually
used
to
use
my
vehicle
and
go
help
her
clean,
her
yard
up
and
all
that
and
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
any
of
that.
It's
just
my
access
for
my
driveway
right
now.
I
would
hope
that
maybe,
if
they
want
this
alleyway
bad
enough,
that
they
would
help
me
with
my
situation
with
my
driveway,
so
it's
kind
of
where
I'm
at
thank.
A
D
Well,
I
think
in
the
staff
report
we
were
initially
concerned
about
the
access
to
the
Polk
County
property.
It's
really
only
accessible
from
one
direction,
so
I
would
assume
that
the
easement
that
would
be
retained
over
the
alley
could
just
be
for
general
public
access
and
not
for
a
specific
property
owner.
But
you
could.
The
council
could
then
convey
the
property
to
someone
subject
to
an
easement
on
the
property.
D
Typically,
residential
alleys
are
conveyed
one
half
to
each
joining
residential
property
owner
in
this
instance,
since
we
have
to
maintain
an
access
along
there,
I
guess
it'd
get
to
the
council
on
whether
or
not
they
wanted
to
convey
it
to
one
property
owner,
subject
to
an
easement
or
two
separate
owners
and
maintain
easements
over
both
both
parcels.
That
would
be
up
to
the
council,
so
I
think
just
a
motion
to
vacate
subject
to
provision
of
an
access
easement
would
be
sufficient.
D
We
vacate
the
property
and
convey
it
we
no
longer
own.
The
city
no
longer
is
obligated
to
own
or
maintain
that
that
alley
in
any
in
any
shape
or
form
conveying
it.
They
would
just
retain
it
with
an
easement
over
the
property
to
allow
access.
So
it
could
be
specific
for
a
particular
owner,
because
we
can't
eliminate
access
to
a
property.
It
could
be
for
the
benefit
of
that
property
and
save
the
adjoining
property.
Here
we
could
be
specific
in
the
easement
or
it
could
be
a
general
just
basically
public
access,
easement
on
that
and.
D
Good
Alys
that
are
people
of
either
put
fences
across,
or
you
know,
they're
they're
grass
tree
overgrown
areas
that
have
never
had
a
paved
surface
on
them,
and
so
in
this
instance,
that
issue
would
be
resolved
because
it
would
no
longer
be
any
kind
of
public,
right-of-way
and
and
the
fence
could
stay
there.
Thanks.
G
H
D
The
the
normal
procedure
for
residential
alleys
is
that
one
half
is
offered
to
each
property
owner
and
that's
managed
by
our
right-of-way
division
till
wagaman
handles
that
conveyance
process
residential
alleys.
It's
normally
just
a
minimal
amount.
It's
usually
a
couple
hundred
dollars
or
less
it's
basically
publishing
a
notice
and
and
in
the
paper
and
paying
for
that
notice
to
be
published.
D
It's
not
like
a
commercial
gallery
where
we
sell
it
based
on
square
footage
going
to
each
adjoining
property
owner
or
that
so
anyway,
the
council
has
a
policy
on
conveyance
is
generally
one-half
to
eat
you
joining
property
owner
unless
they
determine
to
vary
from
that
policy.
But
the
conveyance
is
council's
decision.
Planning
Commission
is
just
deciding
whether
or
not
this
is
needed
for
a
public
access
purpose.
They've
noted
they
need
it
for
in
a
driveway
polk
county
is
noted.
D
D
It's
it's
a
very
minimal
maintenance
policy
on
residential
alleys
and
we
have
numerous
ones
across
town
that
are
quite
honestly,
overgrown,
they're,
not
traversable
and
there's
not
currently
access
on
them.
So
we
have
a
very
minimal
maintenance
policy
and
this
would
essentially
clarify
it's,
not
our
responsibility
to
maintain
it.
So.
B
I
B
B
D
Council
initiated
the
request.
This
adjoining
property
owner
was
not
able
to
get
all
of
the
signatures
of
adjoining
property
owners
along
the
alley
for
the
request,
and
so
they
went
to
the
City
Council
and
said
we
can't
get
all
those
signatures.
Would
you
initiate
the
action
and
council
did
so
that's
before
you
tonight,
at
the
request
of
council,
the.
J
D
J
Person
paved
if
this
person
bought
the
entire
alley
and
paved
driveway,
they
would
have,
and
we
required
that
there
be
a
vehicular
easement
of
a
certain
width,
this
property
owner
to
be
required
to
keep
that
open
at
all
times.
Yes,
in
order
to
allow
this
neighbor
to
use
that
new
paved
driveway
to
gain
access
to
the
backyard
I
fear,
what's
going
to
happen,
is
they're
gonna,
just
Park
cars
there,
because
that's
what
they're
doing
now.
So
how
does
this
solve
that
solve?.
D
One
of
two
things
the
easement
would
be
enforceable,
but
it
would
take
maybe
a
private
matter
between
the
two
property
owners
on
the
on
the
access
easement,
the.
If
one
half
was
conveyed
to
each
adjoining
property
owner
they'd
have
to
work
together
on
the
driveway
construction
or
limit
their
driveway
to
just
half
of
the
half.
J
J
D
C
H
I
wonder
if
the
best
scenario
Mike
is
to
not
do
the
easement
and
just
make
it
clear
that
both
parties
know
that
it's
being
conveyed
and
they
have
an
option
to
buy
half
and
they
can
do
with
it
what
they
want.
This
isn't
gonna
be
a
nightmare
trying
to
manage
one
person
owning
all
of
it
and
there's
an
easement
that
you
can't
use
the
city
to
help
you
enforce
and
I.
Just
think
that
would
be
a
nightmare.
Well,.
D
I
As
a
matter
of
fact,
if
I,
if
I
lived
where
this
woman
lives
and
has
lived
there
for
a
long
time
and
suddenly
a
neighbor
wants
to
use
that
as
a
driveway,
and
it
didn't
look
from
the
picture
that
we
saw
that
it's
very
usable
as
a
driveway,
because
I
don't
know
if
it
was
your
car.
Their
car
is
somebody
else's
car.
I
K
D
D
Real
issue
on
an
easement
isn't
is
whether
that
I
guess
takes
away
value
of
the
property
use
of
the
property.
It
limits
the
use
of
the
property.
These
residential
alleys
are
being
conveyed
for
a
fraction,
I
mean
hundred
hours
or
less
or
$200
or
less
it.
This
isn't
really
an
issue
of
like
a
commercial
property
where
someone's
paying
thousands
of
dollars
for
this
right-of-way
access
and
then
they're
also
granting
an
easement
over
it
that
they're
getting
the
property
for
a
fraction
nominal
amount
and
the
easement
really
isn't
destroying
any
value.
But.
D
A
J
J
So,
assuming
that
doesn't
improve
we're,
not
helping
this
neighbor,
so
at
least,
if
the
easement
is
16
feet
wide,
then
they
have
the
right
to
call
the
city
and
say
their
access
is
blocked
and
the
city
tows
the
car.
So
somehow
people
need
to
be
protected,
but
I
also
understand
the
city
doesn't
want
these
I
call
them
abandoned
alleys,
about
alleys
that
aren't
even
passable.
They
have
trees
in
them
and
the.
D
J
An
alley
one
time
and
and
I
had
to
put
an
easement
on
it
and
it
wasn't
16
feet.
The
city
required
that
I
put
a
was
either
10
or
12
feet.
It
was
an
odd
number,
so
I'm
just
saying
I,
don't
know
where
this
board
might
decide.
Okay
well
grant
will
grant
this
vacation,
but
in
any
event,
I'm
saying
it
needs
to
be
a
16
for
these
I'm
recommending
denial
and
see
what
happens.
J
A
I
A
Thank
you,
but
most
of
us
carry
to
deny
the
easement.
However,
it
does
go
to
the
City
Council
and
you
just
heard
counsel
say
that
legal
counsel
say
that
the
resolution
will
read
that
the
recommendation
of
Planning
and
Zoning
is
tonight,
but
that
follow
the
recommendation,
so
it
might
be
appropriate
for
you
to
find
out
with
me.
Council
will
hear
this
issue
and
good
point
all
right.
J
Thank
you
may
I
make
two
comments.
One
I
just
think
it's
odd
when
someone
who
wants
to
purchase
this
isn't
at
this
meeting.
I
know
they're
not
initiating
it
at
City
Council,
but
I.
Just
think.
It's
odd
that
they're
not
here
and
doing
it,
I
you're
a
perfect
neighbor,
because
you're
kind
and
you
go
a
knock
on
their
door
and
say
I
really
want
to
get
access
to
my
backyard
where
I
park
my
car.
A
D
We
have
some
new
commissioners
on
the
Commission
recently
and
some
they've
been
on
here
for
quite
well.
As
you
recall,
we
adopted
our
comprehensive
plan
plan
dsm
in
2016,
and
one
of
the
major
items
that
was
in
that
plan
was
to
develop
a
new
zoning
ordinance.
It's
obviously
been
a
goal
to
have
a
new
zoning
ordinance
for
a
number
of
years.
Our
last
comprehensive
rewrite
was
done
in
1965,
and
so
we
have
been
working
on
a
new
code
as
part
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
D
The
council
did
approve
funding
to
hire
consultant
to
work
on
the
code
we
hired
Duncan
associates
out
of
Chicago
and
coda
metrics
Evanston
to
work
on
the
code.
They
came
up
with
a
draft
about
two
years
ago
that
we
took
out
for
public
comment
in
late
summer.
Early
fall
at
that
time.
There
was
quite
a
bit
of
public
comment
that
we
received.
We
received
I,
want
to
say
around
350
public
comments
and
staff
comments
on
that
draft.
D
It
took
an
extraordinary
amount
of
time
and
effort
on
staff's
part
to
go
through
each
of
those
comments
and
look
at
the
code
and
see
if
there
were
compromises
that
we
could
recommend
or
amendments
we
could
suggest
to
that
code.
We
also
had
some
individual
meetings
with
council
members
to
address
individual
concerns
that
they
had
expressed
about
the
code
as
well.
D
On
the
schedule,
you'll
see
that
on
May
1st,
which
was
yesterday,
we
delivered
our
staff
revisions
to
the
consultant
and
we
are
expecting
to
have
I
receive
a
formatted
draft
from
them
next
week
on
on
the
code,
and
we
would
like
to
proceed
to
public
processing
of
that
code,
and
hopefully,
I
have
the
code
adopted
by
the
end
of
the
year
so
on
this
list.
This
is
not
an
all-inclusive
list.
I
want.
D
D
One
of
the
comments
we
heard
two
years
ago
was
well.
This
is
too
fast.
This
is,
you
know,
there's
not
enough
time.
I
want
to
point
out
that
we're
here
in
April
and
we're
looking
at
an
effective
date
in
October.
If
we
follow
the
schedule
exactly
if
six
months
of
public
comment
and
public
hearings
in
the
discussion
about
this
draft
of
the
code,
so
I
feel
like
there's
ample
opportunity
for
people
to
have
public
input
throughout
this
process.
D
D
We
are
also
seeking
some
comment
from
counsel
on
this
schedule
as
well.
So
there
could
be
some
tweaks.
It
is
listed
as
tentative,
but
if
we
move
forward
with
this,
I
had
plugged
in
two
workshops
of
the
plan
and
Zoning
Commission
to
review
the
draft
before
you
hold
a
public
hearing
and
I'd
like
to
have
those
in
June
I
simply
placed
those
on
the
nights
where
we
have
already
regularly
scheduled,
planned
and
Zoning
Commission
meetings.
D
A
half-hour
session
before
the
regular
meeting
is
not
sufficient
to
get
through
this
code
into
meetings,
I'd
like
to
divide
it
up
and
take
the
zoning
chapter
134
at
one
workshop
and
come
back
with
the
site
plan
chapter
at
the
next
workshop
again
I.
The
purpose
is
not
to
read
through
every
single
set
the
code
and
thumbs
up
or
thumbs
down
of
it.
D
Not
I
do
not
suggest
that
can
be
done
in
a
half
hour.
What
I
would
like
to
find
out
from
the
Commission
is:
would
you
be
willing
to
either
start
your
workshop
earlier
on
the
day
of
account
of
your
regular
plan
and
Zoning
Commission
meeting,
or
would
you
prefer
to
schedule
the
workshop
for
a
separate
day
from
your
plan
and
zone
and
commissioning
right
now
in
this
schedule?
That's
showing
you'd.
Have
it
sometime
the
day
of
your
of
your
normal
pnz
meeting
I
would
propose
maybe
starting
at
say
for
go
through
it.
D
We
can
can
work
on
I
mean
some
pizza
delivered
or
something
to
give
you
something
before
your
meeting
I
can't
guarantee
what
will
be
on
those
those
agendas
of
those
dates.
So
you
know
if
it's
like
tonight
could
work
out
great.
Maybe
we
work
a
little
bit
more
on
the
code
itself
afterwards.
Otherwise,
you
know
we've
had
a
couple
meetings
in
the
last
month
or
so
that
have
gone
quite
lengthy
and
it
could
be
a
very
long
day.
A
A
D
It's
really
up
to
you.
We
just
planned
it
for
purposes
of
this
in
the
past,
when
we
did
the
comp
plan,
we
did
kind
of
some
early
longer
early
sessions
before
Planning
Commission,
so
I
tried
to
follow
that
format
and
then,
as
you'll
see
on
weeks,
where
there's
not
a
Planning
Commission
meeting,
we're
also
going
to
meeting
with
the
steering
committee
that
council
appointed
to
be
reviewing
this
code
as
well.
D
So
again,
that's
following
the
format
that
we
utilized
for
the
for
the
comp
plan
was
off
plan
and
Zoning
Commission
weeks
our
staff
was
meeting
with
the
steering
committee
Planning
Commission.
We
because
we
were
meeting
with
you
so
in
the
month
of
June
and
a
minimum
there's
two
planning
zoning
commission
workshops
and
two
steering
committee
workshops
proposed
and
then
we
would
propose
that
the
Planning
Commission
hold
a
public
hearing.
You
only
have
one
meeting
in
July,
B,
July,
18th
and
then
I'm.
Not.
D
We
won't
be
asking
you
to
make
a
recommendation
that
night
you'd
be
able
to
take
public
comment
and
then
come
back
the
first
meeting
of
August
and
then
we
would
be
asking
for
a
recommendation
at
that
meeting.
Again,
that's
similar
to
what
we
did
with
the
comp
plan.
We
gave
people
the
opportunity
to
comment
you
to
think
about
those
comments
and
then
come
back
two
weeks
later
with
questions
or
actually
making
a
recommendation.
D
I
guess
the
only
thing
I
would
say
and
maybe
Greg
you
can
comment
on
this
as
a
long-standing
member
of
the
Commission
and
also
a
member
of
the
steering
committee
but
I'm,
confident
that
the
draft
of
the
code
is
functional,
that
it
it
works.
And
then
it's
a
better
structure
and
better
process
and
better
predictor
for
neighbors
developers.
D
Citizens
than
our
current
code
is
I
will
not
stand
up
here
and
tell
you.
The
code
is
perfect.
No
code
is
our
existing
code
is
broken
and,
in
my
opinion,
the
sooner
we
can
get
to
a
new
code
that
has
a
better
process
and
is
better
organized
and
can
better
be
communicated.
Then
we
can
start
working
on
making
revisions
to
a
new
code
and
make
it
better
and
better
just
like
we
have
with
our
existing
code.
It's.
C
D
Our
existing
codes
been
amended
300
and
sometimes
over
50
years
there
will
be
amendments
to
the
new
code.
Also
I
have
no
doubt
about
that
in
my
mind.
So
if
we're
waiting
for
perfect,
it's
never
gonna
happen.
It
just
is
not
gonna
happen.
With
a
zoning
code
times
change,
elected
officials,
change,
community
values,
change
the
code
will
change,
but
for
right
now,
I
think
we
have
a
draft
that
you'll
see
that
is
functional
and
I
believe
that
it
is
a
fair
compromise
between
neighborhood
interests,
developer
interests
and
and
value
for
the
city.
H
A
F
Mike
to
add
to
Mike's
it's
it's
time,
we
got
this
code,
I
mean
we
I've
been
on
the
Commission
since
2002,
and
we
worked
on
a
code
clear
back
and
that
didn't
go
anywhere.
We
got
to
a
certain
point.
We
worked
on
a
sign
ordinance.
We
worked
on
all
kinds
of
stuff.
We've
worked
on
this
one.
It's
time
we
do
this.
F
It
might
not
be
perfect,
but
it's
way
more
perfect
than
the
thing
we've
got,
and
so
we
just
need
to
start
using
it,
and
so,
if
this
process
can
do
that,
we
need
to
do
it
and
again,
I
reiterate
we
should
it's
it's
a
lot
easier
for
me.
If
we
just
come
the
same
day
and
come
a
little
early,
somebody
has
to
come
late.
It
so
be
it
at
least
it's
we
don't
have
to
make
two
trips
or
whatever
and
we're
just
done.