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From YouTube: 6-6-19 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, June 6, 2019 in Des Moines, Iowa.
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B
First
of
all,
thank
you
very
much
the
commission
for
taking
extra
time
today
to
come
in
and
learn
about
the
public
hearing
draft
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
That's
now
available
online
at
WWDC
org.
The
meeting
is
being
broadcast
today
for
the
benefit
of
the
public.
So
again,
the
purpose
of
today's
meeting
is
to
kind
of
give
you
an
overview
and
have
some
discussions
so
that
we
can
create
familiarity
with
the
new
code.
This
is
not
a
debate
session
over
over
the
draft.
B
You
can
make
comments
about
certain
sections
or
ask
questions
about
that,
but
there's
no
decisions
being
made
today
at
all
your
public
hearing
for
the
tentative
schedule.
That's
online,
the
earliest
that
would
be
would
be
July
18th,
and
so
we
have
two
of
these
work
sessions
or
workshops
with
the
Commission
to
try
and
kind
of
walk
through
the
code
and
make
sure
there's
an
understanding
of
the
code.
B
We
do
have
several
new
commissioners
since
planned
ESM
was
adopted
and
since
the
last
draft
of
the
zoning
ordinance
was
made
available,
and
so
if
you'll
bear
with
me
and
I
run
through
kind
of
a
brief
overview.
This
is
the
same
presentation.
It
was
made
yesterday
to
the
developer
group
as
well
as
at
last
night's
public
meeting.
So
if
you
bear
with
me,
I'll
run
through
those
fairly
briefly
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to
questions
and
comments,
as
if
that's
acceptable.
Also,
we
do
have
a
regular
meeting
scheduled
to
start
at
6:00
p.m.
B
and
before
then
there
are
sandwiches
and
water
on
the
counter
over
there
for
the
Commission
before
your
meeting
starts
at
6
o'clock
tonight.
So
again,
thank
you
for
your
time
today,
ahead
of
us,
so
just
to
tell
you
the
computer,
please
so
on
your
screens
in
front
of
you
just
a
again
a
brief
overview
plan.
Dsm
was
adopted
in
April
of
2016,
so
we're
in
our
third
year
with
the
new
comprehensive
plan
for
the
city.
B
This
chart
is
really
just
intended
to
again
for
the
benefit
of
new
commissioners
and
people
that
might
be
watching
this
meeting
understanding
how
all
of
these
different
plans
relate
and
where
they
fit
in
together
plan
DSM
was
the
comprehensive
plan
that
was
adopted
and
that's
that's.
What
I
call
the
citizens
plan.
That's
why
it's
at
the
top
of
this
chart,
we
did
extensive
public
outreach
to
get
input
from
the
citizenry
on
what
they
saw
as
the
vision
for
Des
Moines.
B
What
Des
Moines
would
look
like
in
2040
and
beyond,
and
so
that
has
been
the
umbrella
for
all
of
these
other
planning
efforts
that
have
that
have
gone
on
about
the
same
time
that
plan
DSM
was
adopted.
The
council
approved
guide
DSM,
which
was
the
council
strategic
plan,
and
that
plan
took
policies
from
the
plan
DSM
and
started
to
prioritize
when
and
which
items
we
wanted
to
work
on.
First
as
part
of
implementation
of
plan
DSM,
it
also
set
out
a
schedule
for
funding
and
of
those
priorities.
B
So,
as
you
can
see
on
the
third
line
of
this
chart,
these
are
several
activities
that
are
guided
by
plan
DSM
and
guide
DSM.
Obviously,
on
the
far
left
of
that
chart
is
the
zoning
code.
This
is
more
than
just
a
zoning
code.
We
have
a
Zoning
planning
and
design
code
that
we'll
be
explaining
here.
In
a
minute,
we
have
moved
DSM,
which
was
the
master
transportation
plan
for
the
city,
the
first
stand-alone
master
transportation
plan
for
the
city
of
Des
Moines.
Previously
we
had
just
relied
on
the
mpos
regional
transportation
plan
for
ours.
B
This
is
very
significant.
It
was
adopted
within
the
last
year
and
led
to
discussions
about.
Should
the
southwest
connector
continue
to
be
on
on
the
transportation
network.
Should
we
continue
to
build
wider
roadways,
or
should
we
realize
and
utilize
existing
roadway
widths
and
actually
reprogram
some
of
those
roadway
widths
for
Complete
Streets,
so
a
very,
very
important
document
that
was
called
for
by
plan
DSM
and
we're
very
happy
to
have
implemented
nodes
and
corridors
planes.
B
As
you're
aware,
our
neighborhood
planning
staff
has
been
doing
revisions
to
the
neighborhood
revitalization
program,
which
has
resulted
in
some
target
neighborhoods
that
were
working
in
right
now,
and
some
changes
too.
To
that
process
live
DSM
is
the
parks
and
recreation
departments.
Master
plan
also
called
for
by
the
plan
DSM
and
that
was
adopted
within
the
last
year
and
then
finally,
the
CIP
budgeting
and
capital
budget
and
operating
budgets
of
the
city
all
are
basically
implementing
plan
DSM
with
direction
from
guide
DSM
and
the
council.
B
Strategic
planning
efforts,
connect
downtown
falls
under
that
master
transportation
plan.
As
a
recall,
we
adopted
it
as
an
element
of
so
that's
just
kind
of
the
different
planning
activities
that
have
been
going
on.
This
is
a
very
significant
time
for
Des
Moines.
We
haven't
had
this
much
I
mean
true
comprehensive
planning
activity
for
a
number
of
years,
and
sometimes
in
some
instances,
like
the
master
transportation
plan,
never
holistically
figures,
just
the
City
of
Des
Moines,
so
very,
very
fortunate
to
have
these
documents
guiding
us
just
a
quick
overview.
B
Basically,
there's
two
chapters:
chapter
1
34
is
zoning.
In
this
code,
just
like,
we
have
130
for
zoning
today,
chapter
135
is
planning
and
design
that
basically
replaces
what
chapter
135
essentially
replaces
chapter
82,
that's
in
our
code
today,
a
lot
of
people.
What
we
found
is
don't
know
that
chapter
82
even
exists.
B
We
get
a
lot
of
calls
about
that
wondering
where
the
site
plan,
where
these
site
plan
regulations
coming
from,
and
so
one
of
the
purposes
of
this
reorganization
of
the
city
code,
was
to
put
planning
and
design
and
zoning
in
in
consecutive
chapters
so
that
they
followed
each
other
and
we're
in
close
proximity
to
help.
With
that
communication
of
the
rules
for
development
key
changes
from
our
existing
configuration
today
under
zoning,
we
have
things
like
front
yard,
setbacks,
side,
yard,
setbacks,
rear
yard
setbacks,
building
heights
items
like
that
that
are
in
zoning.
B
In
this
proposal,
those
types
of
regulations
have
been
moved
into
planning
and
design
chapter.
What
has
remained
in
the
zoning
chapter
is
still
the
zoning
districts
and
the
zoning
map
creation
of
the
zoning
map,
so
the
districts
that
are
on
the
map,
the
uses
that
are
allowed
in
those
districts,
and
then
we
also
have
things
such
as
wireless
telecommunications
regulations
that
are
in
the
zoning
chapter.
We
still
have
signs
that
are
in
that
zoning
chapter
and
then
the
non-conforming
uses
section
is
in
this
still
and
Administrative
Procedures.
B
For
for
the
zoning
chapter
of
the
code
under
135
planning
a
design.
Now
you
can
see,
we
have
things
that
were
previously
similar
to
zoning
and
now
design
chapters.
This
really
is
an
expansion
of
what
we've
been
doing
for
about
22
years
as
the
City
of
Des
Moines
we've
had
the
npc
neighborhood
pedestrian
commercial
zoning
district
in
place
since
1998
in
Des
Moines,
and
that
was
the
first
foray
that
we
took
into
design
guidelines
and
moving
things
from
zoning
that
were
typically
zoning
into
a
design
chapter.
B
The
site
plan
regulation
chapter:
it
created
site
plan
review
by
Planning
Commission,
which
has
been
expanded
to
include
a
number
of
things
so
currently
in
chapter
82.
The
first
was
the
neighborhood
pedestrian
commercial
district
that
had
design
guidelines
yet
allowed
40%
reduction
in
parking.
That's
normally
required
by
the
code
to
be
granted
by
site
plan
review
it
allowed.
It
talked
about
putting
buildings
up
at
the
street
setbacks.
It
talked
about
building
heights,
it
talked
about
percentage
of
glass
on
the
front
of
a
building
for
storefront.
All
of
those
things
have
been
in
place
since
1998.
B
That's
been
expanded
multiple
times
since
1998
that
chapter
82
was
expanded
to
include
things
like
the
c3
B
and
D
our
zoning
districts
design
guidelines.
We
added
vehicle
display
lot
site
plan
standards.
We
added
convenience,
store,
site
plan
standards
and
multi-family
site
plan,
review
standards
all
came
under
the
purview
of
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
key
change
of
doing
that
was
it
took
those
those
items
out
of
the
purview
of
the
Zoning
Board
of
adjustment
and
put
them
in
the
hands
of
and
Zoning
Commission.
B
The
Board
of
Adjustment
only
has
purview
over
chapter
134
and
zoning.
The
Planning
Commission
has
purview
and
staff
have
purview
over
chapter
135
in
this
code.
Just
like
you
have
purview
over
chapter
82
today.
So
we'll
get
to
kind
of
each
of
kind
of
the
design
items
that
are
in
this
chapter,
but
just
in
general,
its
buildings,
placement
on
a
site
heights
of
buildings
building
materials
are
covered
in
this
chapter,
135
landscaping
parking.
B
Those
are
the
types
of
things
that
have
been
moved
into
entirely
into
a
planning
and
design
chapter
of
this
of
this
proposed
set
of
ordinances
again,
I
think
probably
the
easiest
way
to
utilize.
This
code
is
to
follow
this
ten
step
guide
that
we
have
available
on
our
plan
dsm
website,
it's
very
difficult
to
read
these
codes
front
to
back
I
would
not
recommend
doing
that.
It'll
be
very
hard
to
one
stay
awake
and
to
find
what
you're
looking
for
in
there
I
think.
B
There's
methodology
of
going
through
that
code,
and
these
ten
step
this
10
sep
29,
says
you
still
start
with
a
zoning
map.
We
have
our
existing
zoning
map
and
the
proposed
zoning
map.
Previously
when
we
released
the
draft
of
the
code
two
years
ago,
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
the
maps
were
a
series
of
six
sections
of
the
city.
They
were
PDFs.
B
That's
on
the
city's
website,
in
that
you
can
search
an
address,
specific
I
type
again
in
the
search
warrant.
It'll.
Take
you
to
that
area
on
the
map.
From
that
application,
you
can
use
the
arrow
buttons
to
toggle
between
proposed
and
existing
Maps.
We
have
had
some
questions
about
how
well,
how
do
you
print
that
map?
B
And
there
is
not
a
print
button
on
the
application
part
of
that
is
because
for
accessibility
requirements
on
mobile
applications,
we
have
too
many
buttons.
They
have
to
be
a
minimum
size
and
they're
covering
up
the
map
when
you
start
to
access
the
map
from
the
phone.
So
we
purposely
did
not
add
a
print
button.
What
I
would
recommend
most
people
if
they
want
to
print
a
copy
of
the
draft
map
or
existing
and
proposed
you
can
go
into
the
application
and
on
your
computer,
home,
computer
or
library
computer.
B
You
can
zoom
to
whatever
extent
of
the
map
that
you're
wanting
to
just
by
using
the
roller
on
your
mouse
once
you
get
to
the
extent
or
the
area
that
you're
wanting
to
print
what
I'd
recommend
doing
is
is
a
print
screen
function
on
your
computer,
open
up
a
Word
document
and
paste
that
print
screen
into
the
word
document.
You
can
adjust
the
margins,
you
can
adjust
the
page
size
and
you
can
print.
You
can
also
adjust
the
size
of
the
of
the
document
that
you
just
pasted
and
print
from
there.
B
We
did
not
print
a
bunch
of
copies
of
this,
because
this
map
will
be
updated
as
we're
going
through
these
this
hearing
process
and
continue
our
reviews,
so
it'll
be
out
of
date
very
quickly
to
be
a
waste
of
paper
to
print
all
of
those
maps.
So
again,
I
would
encourage
people
to
use
the
application
to
find
information
on
the
zoning
map
and
again,
it's
really
nice
to
be
able
to
toggle
between
existing
and
proposed.
B
Also,
if
you
zoom
in
close
enough
on
the
map
to
a
parcel,
specific
and
and
and
right-click
on
the
parcel,
it
will
bring
up
links
to
information
about
zoning
districts
in
the
code.
So
you
can
find
out
more
about
the
zoning
district
that
is
proposed
in
the
code
and
also
links
for
nation
in
the
code
listing
the
districts
once
you
go
to
the
map
and
know
what
district
you're
in
you're
in
one
of
the
districts
I'm
showing
on
this
the
next
two
slides,
we
have
a
lot
of
mixed
use.
B
Zoning
districts
that
are
both
downtown
specific
mixed
use
for
nodes
and
corridors,
residential
office
mix,
large
format,
commercial,
industrial
and
then
we
get
into
our
neighborhood
zoning
districts
and
again
there
are
neighborhood
specific
zoning
districts.
That
would
be
most
like
our
existing
r1
zoning
districts
in
the
city.
B
We
have
new,
updated
flood
hazard
maps
available
from
federal
government.
Those
are
reflected
on
the
zoning
map,
the
draft
zoning
map,
rather
than
having
to
flood
districts
a
flood
plain
and
flood
way.
This
code
proposes
it
just
designate
it
as
a
flood
hazard
district
and
the
applicant,
if
they're,
under
that,
zoning
would
need
to
contact
our
permit
and
Development
Center
floodplain
administrators
to
discuss
their
exact
location
in
flood
plain
or
flood
way
and
then
to
discuss
what
the
requirements
are
for
development
in
that
situation.
B
As
far
as
mitigating
flood
risk,
we
also
have
two
new
public
districts
in
this
code.
The
p1
district
is
for
the
Parks
and
Recreation
uses.
Currently,
all
of
our
parks
are
basically
zoned
whatever
the
surrounding
neighborhood
is
zoned.
It
has
caused
a
lot
of
issues
with
it's
caused.
A
lot
of
issues
with
signage
in
particular,
for
parks
and
just
in
general
uses
and
so
being
in
residential
zoning
districts.
Those
have
tighter
sign
requirements
than
you
typically
find
for
a
park
and
recreation
use.
So
we
feel
that
having
the
parks,
zoning
district
is
important.
B
The
other
one
is
the
p2
district,
which
covers
churches,
schools
and
institutions
and
again
there's
a
little
bit
more
latitude
on
signage
for
those
types
of
uses
then
currently
is
allowed
in
the
r1
districts
that
most
of
those
are
located
in
there's
also
a
legacy
Planned
Unit
development
district.
So
anything
that
is
zoned
Planned
Unit
development
today,
prior
to
the
effective
date
of
any
new
ordinance,
will
remain
zoned
Planned
Unit
development
under
this
code.
If
they
want
to
amend
that
PUD
in
the
future,
the
developer
wants
to
amend
it.
B
C
B
B
The
code
has
a
pyramid
approach
to
it,
so
commercial
districts
also
allow
residential
uses,
but
to
get
to
those
lists
of
uses,
you
have
to
flip
your
way
all
the
way
back
through
the
code
to
various
districts,
so
commercial
district
will
say
these
twenty
uses
are
allowed
and
see.
Also
our
for
district,
you
go
to
the
are
for
district
twenty
uses
listed
or
whatever
they'll
say
see
also
are
three
are
two
or
one?
Basically,
everything
goes
back
to
our
one,
eighty.
B
So
to
get
a
true
comprehensive
list
of
uses
you
have
to,
you
have
to
work
going
through
our
existing
code.
It's
very
cumbersome.
Under
this,
the
carryings
been
putting
charts
across
the
top
of
the
charts
or
the
districts
down
the
left-hand
column
of
the
of
the
tables
are
the
uses,
so
you
can
quickly
find
a
use
and
what
districts
it's
allowed
in
if
the
district
you're
in
does
not
allow
the
use
that
you're
looking
for
you
can
quickly
find
what
zoning
district
you
need.
That
will
allow
that
use
just
by
staying
in
the
same
table.
D
B
C
B
So
with
that,
we
think
that
the
once
you
know
say
your
use
is
allowed.
Your
zoning
is
correct.
Then
you
need
to
find
out
what
building
types
are
allowed
in
each
zoning
district
or
the
applicable
zoning
district,
and
there
are
certain
building
types
allowed
in
each
zoning
district,
some
districts,
some
building
types
are
allowed
in
multiple
districts,
there's
a
chart
in
there
again
that
has
the
districts
across
the
top
building
types
down
the
left-hand
column
and
you
can
see
which
which
all
building
types
are
allowed
for
for
the
uses.
B
The
one
component
of
this
table.
There
are
some
symbols
in
it
that
reference,
whether
or
not
there's
a
occupied
space
or
a
retail
or
mixed-use
component
to
that
building
type.
That's
required,
sometimes
that's
required
on
what
we
call
a
primary
street
and
online
on
plan.
Dsn
org.
We
have
the
primary
streets
map,
draft
posted,
there's
the
larger
map,
the
entire
city
and
then
there's
an
inset
on
that
map
of
the
downtown
area
in
this
photo.
So
again,
this
would
be
where
typically
buildings
that
front
on
these
blue
lines
would
be
buildings.
B
You'd
want
the
storefront
commercial
building
type
on
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
there
always
has
to
be
commercial
in
those
or
retail.
In
those
we've
expanded.
What
uses
can
go
on
the
ground
floor
on
those
frontages
and
there
is
relief
in
chapter
135
for
the
building
types
that
they
can
see,
that
a
developer
could
seek
either
a
type
1
or
type
2
design
alternative
through
staff
or
pnz
to
waive
building
type
requirements,
for
example,
once
from
that
table,
you
know
what
building
types
are
allowed.
B
You
can
go
back
in
the
code
and
look
at
the
four-page
spread
for
each
building
type
to
get
more
information.
The
four-page
spread
starts
always
with
character,
examples
of
that
building
type
and
then
later
pages.
Second,
third
pages
are
typically
the
tables
that
show
where
the
building
needs
to
be
on
the
site,
how
tall
it
can
be
things
that
traditionally
have
been
zoning
that
are
now
planning
and
design
regulations
in
this
code
in
its
edition,
the
last
page
of
all
those
is
generally
a
notes
page
that
might
have
additional
requirements
on
it.
B
Please
go
look
at
the
procedures
section
of
this
code
because
you
can
seek
type
1
or
type
2,
design,
administrative,
I'm,
sorry,
type,
1
or
type
2
design
alternatives
to
that
requirement.
For
example,
there's
a
general
provision
back
in
the
procedures
section
that
says,
staff
can
vary
up
to
30
percent
of
that
square
footage
requirement.
So
the
12,
the
1400
square,
foot
branch
staff
has
the
ability
to
go
down
to
at
least
980
square
feet
in
this
code
through
a
through
a
type
1
design
alternative.
B
If
someone
wants
to
go
more
than
30
percent
relief
to
that,
they
would
have
to
come
to
the
plan
and
Zoning
Commission
as
a
type
2
design
alternative
under
this
code.
Now,
how
would
that
get
applied?
In
my
opinion,
to
be
we'd
have
to
look
very
closely
at
making
variations
to
that
out
in
greenfield
development
areas.
B
Certainly,
we
would
not
want
an
entire
development
to
come
in
at
at
less
than
the
minimums
that
are
prescribed.
We
would
be
looking
for
a
mix.
We
also
believe
there
would
be
greater
flexibility
to
that
to
that
square
footage
requirement
on
infill,
Lots
and
closer
in
to
the
city
center.
A
lot
of
that
is
is
based
on
again.
B
B
D
B
Hiding
parking
issue.
It's
an
amenity
issue
and
it's
also
a
storage
issue
on
properties.
We
spend
a
lot
of
money
as
a
city
on
property
nuisances
on
cleanups
and
across
the
city.
It
detracts
from
the
appearance
of
neighborhoods
when,
when
items
are
left
outside,
when
they
don't
have
proper
storage,
and
so
the
garage
requirement
is
really
an
opportunity
to
try
and
address
proper
storage
on
a
property
for
growing
needs.
B
What
we
were
looking
at
his
staff
was
the
idea
that
right
now
to
do
slab
construction
for
a
home
you're,
basically
going
down
four
feet
to
frost
up
with
the
foundation
wall
around
the
slab
anyway,
by
going
down
an
additional,
approximately
four
feet.
The
slab
that's
at
grade
becomes
the
basement
floor,
so
there's
additional
excavation,
an
additional
foundation
wall
depth
and
then
there's
floor.
Joists
that
span
the
the
foundation
walls
we
felt
like
that's
a
fairly
while
it
it
is
a
cost
increase.
B
It's
also
a
fairly
incremental
cost
increase
that
allows
long
term
valuation
potential
growth
on
that
property
that
you
would
be
more
likely
to
see
a
basement
being
finished
off
in
a
later
time
for
more
habitable
space,
which
could
increase
over
time.
The
valuation
of
the
property
and
the
likelihood
of
finish
off
an
existing
basement
might
be
greater
than
actually
going
and
doing
an
addition
at
a
later
time
that
has
a
foundation
to
a
property.
B
And
so
there
were
a
couple
instances
there
were
Pam
Carmichael,
for
example,
is
here
asking
she
said
there
were
water
table
issues
in
our
sewer
issues
with
those
properties
and
those
were
granted
by
the
Planning
Commission.
We're
proposing
that
staff
could
grant
that
administratively
if
they
demonstrated
that
for
our
engineering
department,
if
somebody
just
wanted
to
waive
entirely
putting
in
a
basement-
and
there
were
no
no
physical
constraints
to
it,
it
would
require
a
type
to
plan
and
Zoning
Commission
approval
under
this.
Under
this
chapter,
135
draft,
obviously
there's
been
some
discussion
about.
B
Secondly,
on
the
garages,
just
not
doing
a
garage
under
this
code
requires
a
type
2
relief
from
the
plan
and
Zoning
Commission.
So
that's
I
think
early
on
a
lot
of
people
read
the
first
part
about
the
square
footages.
A
lot
of
people
didn't
make
it
all
the
way
back
to
the
relief
parts
of
the
code,
and
so
I
want
to
be
very
clear
that
there
are
provisions
drafted
in
this
existing
public
hearing
draft
that
tried
to
address.
How
do
we
reasonably
apply
that
that
that
that
minimum
square
footage
range.
B
B
B
This
is
also
not
just
because
there's
changes
in
driving
habits
or
that
or
for
seeing
changes
in
driving
habits.
It
really
has
to
do
with
a
stormwater
management
goal
and
sustainability
goals
of
the
comp
plan.
So
we
know
we
need
to
reduce
the
impervious
surface
area.
We
have
large
parking
lots
that
are
unused
that
our
the
water
is
just
running
off,
because
it's
it's
an
impervious
area.
So
this
is
the
first
step
in
trying
to
reduce
some
of
our
stormwater
impacts
and
the
treatment
of
stormwater
that
were
required
to
do
before.
B
Then
the
landscape
regulations
are
now
in
this
chapter
135.
These
are
enhancement
from
our
existing
landscape
standards.
Again,
the
more
green
space
we
can
can
can
get
on
site
the
more
water
we
can
get
to
absorb
on
site
to
prevent
runoff
the
better.
This
also
addresses
heat
island
effect
by
having
plantings
and
Park
increased
plantings
and
parking
lots
and
again
implements
the
sustainability
goals
of
the
planet.
Ii
assume
science.
B
Are
under
the
landscape
and
streetscape
section
of
the
code,
as
well
as
on
site,
there's
some
of
it
in
the
parking
section
you
know
if
it's,
if
it's
within
the
parking
lot
itself,
but
the
perimeter
streets
perimeter
sidewalks,
are
addressed
by
the
landscape.
Section
streetscape
section
of
the
code
are.
B
You
need
to
go
back
to
134,
find
the
information
about
signs
and
one
of
the
reasons
we
left
this
there
was
because
the
Board
of
Adjustment
has
the
most
experience
with
dealing
with
the
sign
issues
as
far
as
signed
content
or
not
regulating
content,
but
regulating
sign
types
rather
than
content
if
you've
gone
through
our
existing
code.
Today.
Our
sign
code,
though,
is
the
worst
mess
in
the
entire
ordinance.
It
is
so
difficult
to
find
information
in
that
code.
I
think
this
is
a
significant
improvement
in
this
draft
of
information.
B
Again,
zoning
districts
are
across
the
top
sign
types
or
on
the
left-hand
column
of
the
of
the
chart,
and
then
the
sizes
are
in
the
table.
It's
much
much
easier
to
find
the
information
we've
simplified,
the
the
sign
types.
We
have
a
lot
of
categories
today
in
the
code
that
the
only
way
you
know
what
sign
type
it
is
is
to
look
and
read.
What's
on
the
sign,
so
we're
a
code
today
has
issues
with
content.
We
need
to
fix
that
and-
and
this
ordinance
is
doing
that
so.
B
Or
of
adjustment,
we
would
end
of
the
sign
relief.
So
when
you
go
back
to
chapter
134
of
the
code,
the
procedures
section,
you
will
still
see
zoning
exceptions
and
variances
in
in
that
chapter
those
apply
to
signs
there's
also
the
conditional
uses
in
there
there's
also
a
procedure
for
rezoning
of
property
changing
the
district.
It
covers
the
items
that
are
in
134
of
the
zoning
chapter
chapter
135
procedures
governed,
anything
that's
listed
in
chapter
135
of
the
code
there
isn't
previously
there
was
overlap.
B
B
So
we're
gonna
have
a
time
where
there's
kind
of
DOOL
DOOL
things
happening,
and
it
could
be
confusing.
We'll
do
our
best
to
keep
you
up
speed
as
to
why
you're
reviewing
it
in
this
instance
and
not
another's,
but
that's
just
a
fact
of
trying
to
write
a
new
code.
This
is
the
first
comprehensive
rewrite
since
1965.
B
If
it
was
easy,
it
would
have
been
done
before
now.
There
was
angst
in
1965
when
his
owning
ordinance
was
adopted,
and
that
code
was
never
perfect.
It's
still
not
perfect.
Today,
the
number
of
complaints
I
get
about
our
existing
code
is
substantially
greater
than
the
complaints
I've
heard
about
this
craft
and
we've
heard
complaints
about
the
strap.
But
there's
it's
a
fraction
compared
to
what
I've
heard
about
the
existing
code
over
I
believe
that,
if
we
are
going
to
wait
for
perfect
in
a
code,
we
will
never
get
there.
B
We
need
to
adopt
the
code.
I
I
cannot
tell
you
right
now.
I've
got
staff.
Oftentimes
writing
three
different
staff
reports
for
the
exact
same
project,
because
it
has
to
go
to
three
different
boards
or
commissions
to
get
approval.
Then
the
prime
example
I'll
give
you
was
you
reviewed
the
site
plan?
Actually
for
it?
There
was
a
multifamily
development
for
Mercy
campus
on
the
north
edge
of
Des
Moines.
It's
zoned
c2
today,
which
is
a
highway
oriented
commercial.
It's
not
a
downtown
zoning
district.
B
It's
within
our
downtown
overlay,
though
the
c2
Zoning
says
any
building
on
that
property
should
be
25
feet
back
from
the
lot
line.
The
overlay
district
says
put
the
building
out
at
the
street,
so
the
developer
had
to
go
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment,
get
a
variance
with
staff
support
to
the
25-foot
setback
requirement
to
comply
with
the
overlay
district
that
we
wanted
them
to
comply
with.
B
They
did
that
it
took
them
30
days
in
process
to
do
so,
then
after
they
got
that
relief,
they
cemented
a
site
plan
which
came
before
the
Planning
Commission
for
multifamily
site
plan
review
and
downtown
overlay
district
review
different
guidelines.
We
valuated
them
all
in
it.
In
the
end,
they
built
a
building
that
contained
a
use
that
was
allowed
where
we
wanted
it.
B
Under
this
code
were
eliminating
the
conflicts
that
exist
after
making
300
plus
amendments
to
the
existing
zoning
ordinance
and
was
50
some
years,
and
so
we've
eliminated
a
lot
of
those
conflicts
and
we've
also
simplified
the
review
processes.
Now
that
example
of
that
project,
they
wouldn't
have
had
to
go
into
the
Board
of
Adjustment
and
they
wouldn't
have
come
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
a
multifamily
site
unless
they
needed
a
type
2
design
alternative.
B
It
could
have
been
handled
entirely
administratively
by
staff
and
we
could
have
cut
the
process
time,
at
least
in
half
for
that
project
and
that's
really
their
overall
goal.
We've
we've
prescribed
standards
in
the
code
to
be
met.
That
was
a
trade-off
that
we
made
with
neighborhoods.
We
said
we
need
to
raise
the
bar
on
development,
design,
minimum
standards
and
in
exchange,
we're
willing
to
let
things
go
through
administrative
processes
and
not
have
a
public
hearing
every
time
to
approve
those
uses.
B
So
if
you
look
at
our
goals
of
affordable
housing
in
the
community,
it's
easy
to
say
the
square.
Footages
requirements,
the
garage
requirements,
the
basement
requirements
are
harmful
to
affordable
housing
to
an
extent
they
do
increase
cost.
But
on
the
flip
side
that
negates
all
of
the
other
benefits
of
this
code
for
affordable
housing.
This
code
addresses
accessory
dwelling
units
in
in
certain
districts
which
are
not
currently
permitted
under
our
code.
B
It
allows
the
reintroduction
of
missing
middle
housing
back
into
some
of
our
residential
districts
that,
for
example,
in
our
existing
code,
duplexes
have
been
prohibited
in
any
r1
zoning
district.
Since
1995
I
believe-
and
this
code
says
there
are
districts
where
duplexes
should
be
allowed
to
go
back
into
areas
that
have
been
predominantly
single-family
residential
for
a
long
time.
So
we
are
trying
to
address
affordability
through
a
variety
of
types
as
well
as,
as
I
said,
shortening
the
process
for
multifamily
review.
B
The
map
implements
the
comp
plan,
land-use
map,
which
encouraged
density
at
nodes
and
on
transit
corridors.
The
zoning
map
implements
that
it
puts
districts
there
and
says
yes,
it's
okay
to
put
multifamily
on
these
corridors
and
in
these
nodes,
so
we
believe
there's
a
lot
of
different
prongs
to
affordability
that
are
addressed
and
des
moines
has
again
our
comp
plan
said
we're
urban
right.
We're
not
suburban,
we're!
That's
our
strength.
B
We
need
to
do
things
to
encourage
your
vanity
in
Des,
Moines,
urban
design,
urban
density
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
this
code,
so
processes
again.
There's
processes
in
the
zoning
chapter
134
and
the
design
chapter
in
the
35,
so
key
changes
made
I
covered
some
of
them
in
my
presentation
earlier,
but
just
key
changes.
Since
the
last
time
we
released
a
draft,
we
used
to
have
type
1
exceptions
and
type
2
exceptions
to
design
standards
in
the
code.
B
We
now
call
those
design
alternatives
and
those
try
to
eliminate
the
confusion
between
design
or
variances
and
exceptions
from
zoning
and
design
alternatives
to
design
chapter
non-conforming
design.
We
changed
it
to
pre-existing
so
there's
existing
houses.
We
are
not
going
to
say
that
something
becomes
a
non-conforming
use
because
it
doesn't
comply
with
the
design
standards
that
were
adopting
in
this
code
uses
in
134.
B
Somebody
calls
us
and
wants
a
rebuild
letter
and
says,
is
my
use
conforming
or
non-conforming
they'll
be
entirely
based
on
use
not
on
the
design
of
the
building
just
like
today,
when
somebody
calls
in
we
don't
say:
oh
well,
it
was
built
under
the
building
code
in
1962
when
we
have
a
new
building
code.
Today,
therefore,
that's
a
that's
now
a
non-conforming
use
of
it.
We
don't
do
that.
We
don't
do
that
with
stormwater
regulations
today.
B
Those
have
changed
over
time.
So
again,
we've
made
it
clear
that
that
design
is
not
going
to
to
cause
any
kind
of
non-conforming
use
problems.
The
administrative
relief
I'm,
sorry,
the
minimum
square
footages
were
added.
As
I
said,
the
administrative
relief
in
the
chapter
135
was
increased
from
15%
for
staff
to
30%.
B
That's
to
the
numerical
requirements
of
the
of
the
design
chapter
again,
we
doubled
that
for
comparison
today
under
our
existing
zoning
Lawrence,
there
is
an
administrative
exception
of
15%,
but
we
also
require
an
applicant
at
once
that
are
a
property
owner
to
get
the
signatures
of
every
property
owner
to
consent
to
that
relief
under
our
existing
code.
The
time
to
do
that
is
probably
two
weeks
and
some
instances
for
them
to
get
all
the
signatures.
Then
they
don't
even
go
that
path.
B
B
There
was
a
one
and
a
half
story
requirement
previously
in
the
code
for
housing,
that's
been
reduced
to
one
in
all
districts,
except
for
the
in
for
district,
which
is
the
core
of
Beaverdale,
which
the
character
of
that
neighborhood
is
in.
That
area
is
the
story
and
a
half
construction.
It
has
the
half
story
above
it
that's
finished
off
on
most
houses
in
that
neighborhood
area.
B
We
did
make
some
changes
to
the
house
type
a
in
the
end,
two
zoning
districts.
So
if
you
look
at
most
of
our
Greenfield
areas
on
the
periphery
of
des
moines,
on
the
map
they're
either
zoned
Planned,
Unit
development,
on
the
map
or
in
two
on
the
map.
That's
your
most
contemporary
zoning
district
and
house
type.
A
is
the
most
contemporary
house
type,
the
most
common
traditional
subdivision,
suburban
single-family
house
style.
B
We
increased
the
percentage
of
the
building
facade.
That
could
be
a
garage
in
that
in
that
section,
and
we
also
our
intent,
is
to
correct
there's
an
error
in
the
draft
to
allow
garages
to
project
in
front
of
the
front
facade
of
the
house.
It
says
recessed
now
it
should
have
said
project,
but
we
did
change
it
to
allow
projection
of
up
to
eight
feet
again
that
that's
subject
to
relief
in
Chapter
one
thirty
five,
but
the
eight
feet
was
viewed
as
it's
one.
B
Third
of
the
standard
garage
stall
depth,
that's
prescribed
in
the
code
and
again
we
were
trying
to
address
not
having
in
all
instances
the
entire
garage
out
in
front
of
the
house.
We
would
like
to
have
some
that
setback,
so
those
changes
were
were
specifically
to
address
the
desire
for
three-car
garages
and
to
have
some
projection
in
front
of
the
house.
We
also
asked
that
the
third
car
garage
be
recessed
slightly
behind
the
the
other
two
garage
doors
in
this,
which
is
fairly
typical
and
a
lot
of
the
new
construction
that's
happening.
B
The
garage
requirement-
minimum
12
by
24
again
applies
to
single-family
detached
and
duplexes
that
12
by
24
we
looked
at
Merle
hay
neighborhood,
for
example,
post
World
War
two
construction
grads
are
mostly
10
by
20.
In
that
area
we
were
trying
to
provide
some
additional
area
in
the
garages
for
longer
vehicles,
as
well
as
storage.
That's
where
we
came
up
with
12
by
24.
B
I
talked
about
the
garage
door,
we
added
flexibility
for
variation
in
rough
types,
for
single-family,
residential
and
for
window
types
for
single-family,
residential
and
all
buildings,
actually
Class
A
and
Class
B
bike
parking.
We
did
give
concerns
about
Class
A
bike
parking
in
the
comment
period
on
the
last
draft.
B
That
was
because
of
Class
A
is
interior
to
the
building
of
a
multi-family
building,
so
they
have
to
have
a
storage,
locker,
some
sort
of
basement
storage
area
or
a
room
within
the
multi-family
building
to
store
bikes
inside
for
their
residents
under
the
old
draft
that
has
been
eliminated
from
this
graph.
The
only
bike
parking
that
is
in
this
draft
is
the
Class
B
bike
parking,
which
is
the
exterior
bike
racks
that
we
currently
don't
require,
but
it
is
something
that
they
can
do
to
get
tax
abatement.
B
A
B
Mean
as
far
as
accessibility,
you
know,
location
of
the
bike.
Racks
yeah
I
mean
that's
that's
addressed
by
the
bike
bike
parking
standards.
We,
when
we
do
our
site
plan
review,
it
can't
block
a
accessible
route
or
or
on
time.
We
have
to
make
sure,
there's
a
clear
distance
between
the
bike,
parking
and
the
building,
and
that
just
like
we
do
today,
we
did
revise
the
materials
chart.
Some
additional
flexibility
was
granted
percent,
for
example,
for
single-family
residential
detached
that
vinyl
siding
was
added.
B
Previously
it
was
cement
board
in
the
previous
draft,
so
there
was
changes
there.
As
an
example,
we
have
the
occupied
space
requirement
on
those
commercial
buildings
and
parking
structures
on
those
primary
streets.
The
occupied
space
requirement
says
that
the
first
30
feet
of
depth
needs
to
be
some
sort
of
occupied
space
where
that's
office,
retail,
building
space,
and
currently
it
says
on
all
levels.
We
had
a
lot
of
debate
on
that.
B
So
this
is
one
section
we
may
need
to
have
clearly
some
additional
discussion
about
in
my
opinion
and
then
the
wireless
telecommunication
regulations
that
the
zoning,
a
Board
of
Adjustment,
would
be
dealing
with,
not
you,
but
this
really
just
brings
us
into
compliance
with
state
and
federal
laws
which
have
changed
significantly
in
the
last
three
years.
On
these
regulations.
B
B
Cemeteries
and
scattering
grounds
are
in
this
code.
Scattering
panels
are
becoming
more
popular.
The
issue
is,
is
that
if
there's
any
kind
of
compensation
for
the
scattering
of
the
ashes,
it
becomes
a
cemetery,
so
we
need
to
have
review
of
where
those
are
where
those
are
being
permitted
under
this
code,
because
otherwise,
under
the
state
code,
we
have
a
responsibility
to
preserve
those
areas
in
the
future.
That
could
become
a
detriment
to
future
developments
in
areas
as
well.
So
we
need
to
have
those
defined
and
use
needs
to
be
approved.
B
Under
the
code
hold
occupations
been
updated.
Probably
the
main
thing
was
implementing
the
changes
that
were
discussed
about
the
day
care
that
had
been
previously
discussed
by
council
short
term
rental
regulations
are
added
to
this
code.
It's
a
conditional
use
to
have
short-term
rentals,
so
platforms
like
Airbnb
other
things,
that's
where
these
regulations
are
at
the
code
you
read
through
it,
you'll
see,
there's
a
minimum
number
of
days
of
occupancy
by
the
by
the
owner
of
the
house
minimum
or
maximum
number
of
days.
It
can
be
rented
out.
B
It's
taking
affordable
housing
units
off
the
market,
because
people
are
finding
they
can
make
more
money
renting
it
out
nightly
than
they
can
renting
it
out
monthly
or
long-term
leases,
and
we
actually
had
comments
from
citizens
who
had
tried
to
rent
to
rent
a
house
and
had
been
taken
off
the
market
as
a
rental,
an
affordable
rental,
because
it
had
become
a
Airbnb
all
the
time.
So
we
tried
to
address
that
in
this
code.
B
The
use
tables
have
been
updated
again
that
overlapping
processes
between
the
two
chapters
has
been
eliminated,
and
then
electronic
billboards
have
been
updated
previously.
The
previous
draft
said
no,
no
more
electronic
billboards,
no
more
billboards
period,
existing
ones
become,
are
all
non-conforming.
B
This
draft
opens
that
up
back
up
a
little
bit,
he
basically
says
that
new
billboards,
digital
billboards
and
replacement
of
static
or
conversion
of
static
billboards
to
digital
display
can
only
happen
along
major
commercial
corridors,
which
I'll
show
the
map
of
that
in
a
second.
But
then
we
also
revised
the
operational
standards
for
those
billboards,
those
electronic
billboards
to
reduce
the
lighting
levels
that
are
allowed.
We
increase
the
setback
from
residential,
that's
required
for
new
ones.
We
also.
B
I
mean
all
billboards
have
to
have
a
thousand-foot
separation
right
now,
encode
some
could
have
500.
Some
could
have
a
thousand.
Everything
is
a
thousand
simplified
the
code
its
previously
you
read
all
these
exclusions
and
based
on
the
exclusions.
Whatever
was
left
in
the
code
was
where
you
could
have
them
kind
of
a
hard
way
to
read
through
a
code.
This
one
says
this
is
where
they're
allowed
and
it
identifies
them
specifically
so
map.
These
are
the
red
corridors.
B
B
We
gave
it
to
you
and
the
schedule
is
on
the
plane,
DSM
website
for
public.
Again
we
are
going
to
break
for
get
a
sandwich,
come
back
and
take
your
questions
tonight
and
then
we'll
also
have
another
workshop
two
weeks
from
now
with
the
Commission.
To
give
you
a
chance
to
go
back
and
look
through
this
come
back
with
more
questions,
ask
for
information,
and
then
we
hopefully
will
have
a
public
hearing
in
this
commission
on
July
18th.
B
We're
not
gonna.
Ask
you
to
make
a
decision
that
night
I'm
gonna,
let
you
also
have
a
second
hearing
on
the
first
meeting
in
August
and
then,
if
you
deem
appropriate,
you
can
make
a
recommendation
that
night.
If
everything
goes
well
we're
talking,
mid-october
that
would
be
the
absolute
earliest.
This
can
be
effective.
B
We
expect
it
probably
to
have
a
deferred
implementation
date,
potentially
because
this
is
just
reflecting
ten
days
to
publish
the
ordinance,
which
is
we're
probably
going
to
need
more
time
than
that,
but
we
definitely
want
to
have
it
done,
and
this
schedule
is
is
what
we've
come
up
with.
So
with
that.
If
you
want
to
take
a
quick
break
and
grab
your
box
sandwich,
and
then
we
can
come
back
and
start
asking
answering
questions
for
you.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
G
B
Are
clearly,
as
as
the
recommending
body
to
to
the
plan
and
zoning
or
to
the
council
under
state
code,
have
the
ability
to
make
motions
for
amendments
to
the
ordinance
that
ultimately
gets
forwarded
on
to
them.
We
have
a
steering
committee
that
we're
also
meeting
with
who's
going
to.
You
know
that
some
of
the
changes
that
might
be
proposed
by
staff
based
on
the
input
we've
received
I
would
expect
it
at
the
public
hearing.
B
We
would
list
out
those
kind
of
changes
that
we
have
had
run
through
the
steering
committee
for
your
consideration
and
then
clearly
you
would
have
the
opportunity
as
well
to
suggest
changes
to
that.
Just
like
you
do
on
any
motion
or
any
consideration
that
you
do.
You
can
agree
with
the
staff
recommendation
or
you
can
modify
it
or
vote
as
a
group
to
change
another
section.
So
there
certainly
is
that
opportunity
available
to
it's.
B
Are
there
questions
about
the
square
footage
basements
garage
that
got
a
lot
of
discussion
in
the
last
two
meetings
that
I've
been
at
and
we
just
wanted
to
I
think
I
was
clear
and
describing
where
staff
came
from
on
it.
I
think
I
was
clear
that
there
is
relief
available
to
the
code
and
the
least
in
the
first
two
meetings:
I'm,
not
certain
that
that
was
exactly
well
known
by
the
people
in
attendance.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
the
Commission
is
aware
of
that
and
where
those
provisions
are
in
the
ordinance.
F
Americans
collect
junk
so
I've,
never
understood
basements
and
I
I.
Just
don't
get
that
on
the
garage
end
rather
than
stipulating
a
specific
size.
If
somebody
wanted
and
that's
288
square
feet
12
by
24,
if
that's
the
goal,
why
wouldn't
we
say
288
square
feet
and
it
might
be
12
by
24?
It
might
be
11
by
whatever
it
might
be.
F
B
Those
specific
wiggle
room
provisions
are
in
the
procedures
section
of
chapter
135,
article
9
I,
believe
it
is,
and
so
it
lists
out
items
that
we
can
bury
and
what
to
what
degree.
There
are
also
some
provisions
that
are
listed
with
the
specific
requirement
in
the
code.
So
it's
either
specifically
where
the
requirement
is
in
the
code
it'll,
it
might
say
that
we
can
bury
it
or
it
falls
under
one
of
the
general
standards,
the
procedures
section.
B
B
Was
it
was
based
off
the
dimensions
of
what
we
were
seeing
and
boosting
that
slightly
for
longer
vehicles
and
additional
storage
capacity?
So
looked
at
quite
honestly
system
standard
kits
for
garages
from
Menards
things
like
that,
as
you
know
what
was
available
out
there,
and
so
that
was
where
we
came
to
me.
If
it's
a
squirt
footage
requirement,
that's
that's!
Ultimately,
whatever
the
Planning
Commission
recommends
on
the
council
adopts
quite
honestly.
F
B
You
know
deliberation
legislatively
I,
think
it's
addressed
by
by
this
code.
I,
don't
ultimately
two
things.
The
main
reason
for
the
planning
and
development
is
because
our
code
has
been
so
out
of
date,
one
that
it
was
needed
to
provide
an
end
run
around
a
very
outdated,
obsolete
zoning
ordinance.
Secondly,
I
think
the
planning
the
development
process
has
increased
quality.
It's
kind
of
set
the
bar
for
what
this
code
is
establishing
and
I
think.
Third,
the
in
the
past
our
comprehensive
plan.
B
I
would
argue
that
the
2020
plan
that
that
was
adopted
shortly
before
I
started
with
the
city
and
was
in
effect
until
three
years
ago,
while
did
a
great
job
of
addressing
community
character
and
defining
what
that
character
was
and
architectural
styles
and
introduced.
The
idea
of
traffic
calming
and
in
very
very
good
planning
goals.
The
link
between
predictability
of
future
land
use
and
transportation
and
the
predictability
of
what
use
and
Zoning
we're
going
to
go
on.
The
property
was
minimal
in
that
in
that
map.
B
It
was
more
of
an
existing
conditions,
map
than
a
future
land-use
map,
and
it's
set
almost
every
project
up
for
a
rezoning
and
a
debate
on
the
zoning
of
the
property,
which,
in
many
circumstances,
created
some
very
lengthy
and
deliberative
processes.
Not
bad
necessarily,
but
also
some
very
good
projects
went
through
some
extraordinary
pain
to
get
implemented
and.
B
The
concept
was
that
there
would
be
a
new
zoning
code
that
was
covering
the
design
chapter
and
raising
the
bar
on
the
design
to
be
comparable
with
what
we
were
effectively
getting
through
Planned
Unit
development
and
site
plan
interviews
by
Planning
Commission,
so
I
think
that
the
PD
worked
really
well
because
of
the
circumstances.
A
lot
of
those
circumstances
have
changed
with
the
new
comp
plan
and
this
idea
of
raising
the
bar
for
all
development,
not
just
those
developments.
B
I
went
through
Planned
Unit
development
because
by
right,
development
has
been
allowed
to
pretty
much
unless
it's
getting
tax
abatement,
it
hasn't
had
much
of
a
standard
for
any
kind
of
design
today
and
what
we're
saying
is
all
projects
should
have
designed
to
them
in
this
new
code.
Under
this
new
code,
the
type
to
review
process
is
essentially
the
PUD
process.
I
want
to
be
very
clear,
they're,
not
parallel
tracks.
B
There's
things
that
staff
can't
vary
because
it
goes
beyond
the
standard
or
the
developer
doesn't
want
to
comply
with
our
code
or
our
comments
on
that.
Then
the
project
has
the
opportunity
to
be
kicked
into
the
type
2
review
portion
of
the
of
the
process,
so
it's
very
similar
today
to
a
Planned
Unit
development,
both
in
time
and
in
how
how
that
flows.
Today,
when
you
come
in
and
you
submit,
we
give
you
comments,
we
talk
about
it.
B
Then
we
schedule
your
hearing,
you
hold
the
hearing,
then
you
go
to
counsel
for
the
PUD
and
counsel
Amin
implements
it
under
this.
Theoretically,
it's
stopping
at
Planning
Commission.
It
would
only
go
to
Council
if
it
was
appealed.
So
we
kind
of
the
type
to
process
is
not
intended
to
be
an
end
run.
You
can't
just
automatically
ignore
the
administrative
process
and
just
submit
for
type
2
review
by
Planning
Commission
under
this
code.
That's
not
how
its
proposed.
B
The
idea
is
that
that
fast-track
administrative
process,
if
there's
compliance,
we
get
it
done
and
it's
the
shortest
process
available.
If
there's
issues
or
relief
in
the
design
that
we
can't
grant-
and
it
goes
into
that
a
little
bit
longer
process
additional
excuse
me
additional
process
of
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
approval,
so
I
think
the
comparable
to
a
PUD
is
our
type
2
review
process
in
this
loop.
In
this
code,
where
the
Planning
Commission
gets
to
review,
it.
F
I
have
one
further
question:
if
I
may,
regarding
billboards,
have
we
done
an
evaluation
of
the
property
taxes
generated
by
billboards?
Why
why
would
we
encourage
electronic
or
any
kind
of
a
billboard
other
than
taxes
and
they're
huge
moneymakers
for
the
owners
of
the
billboards,
but
I
I,
don't
know
what
kind
of
property
taxes
we
collect
on
the
billboards
there.
B
Are
evaluations
on
those
clearly,
the
valuation
of
the
property
isn't
probably
as
tied
to
the
number
of
messages
that
can
convey,
because
the
mass
number
of
messages
on
a
digital
billboard
as
well
every
eight
seconds?
Obviously,
the
value
of
that
is
substantial,
the
price
of
actually
the
cost
of
those
billboards
is
declining
with
technology,
so
they
were
when
I
first
came
out
about
a
million
dollars,
a
billboard
they're
now
down
to
about
two
hundred
thousand
commercial.
B
Protests,
your
zoning
code
won't
address
how
that
gets
assessed.
That's
another
discussion
that
we
can
have,
but
you
know
I
think
the
reality
is
there
is
we
got
a
lot
of
comments
from
people,
businesses
that
utilize
billboards
for
advertising?
That
and-
and
quite
honestly,
you
know
in
the
past,
our
councils
been
split
on
billboards.
Every
time
we've
gone
back
and
looked
at
Barrymore's
and
I
would
expect.
There
still
exist,
split
on
the
Council
on
billboards.
It's
been
that
way
ever
since
I've
been
here
for
18
years
and
I,
don't
expect
that
that's
changed.
B
B
I
know
if
revisited
billboards
four
times
in
my
18
years
about
every
three
years.
We
talk
about
billboards
as
a
city
and
tighten
up
the
regulations
on
them
and
in
every
instance,
there's
been
a
debate
about
an
all-out
ban
on
them.
I
can
rid
of
them
and
start
amortized,
buy
them
out
and
take
down
all
the
existing
ones
and
in
every
one
of
those
instances,
there's
never
been
the
ability
to
do
an
all-out
ban
and
there's
never
been
a
political
will
to
well
an
economic
will
to
buy
out
billboards,
static
ones.
B
You
could,
you
can
probably
advertise.
Other
cities
have
done
that
the
digital
ones
are
very
costly
to
buy
out
as
soon
as
we
open
the
door
and
allow
digital
billboards
in
in
Des
Moines
several
years
ago,
the
ability
to
amortize
that
cost
went
up
substantially
because
of
that
value
of
a
message.
Changing
every
eight
seconds
is
a
significant
revenue
and
to
buy
out
that
or
compensate
for
that
lost
revenue
would
be
substantial.
So,
under
this
code
right
now,
you
can
only
do
the
conversion
of
a
static
billboard.
B
Regardless
of
whether
you
do
a
conversion
or
construct
new
one,
you
have
to
use
conversion
credits
and
earn
credits
so
and
we
increased
how
many
of
those
credits
had
to
be
used.
Double
them.
So,
theoretically,
more
billboards
will
be
coming
down
than
currently
under
the
code
to
put
up
a
new
digital
billboard
in
Des
Moines.
So
we
should
be
seeing
a
net
reduction,
a
greater
net
reduction
in
No
billboards
in
the
city
in
exchange
for
that
latitude
of
putting
up
new
dance
club,
new
digital
billboards
and
on
a
few
cores.
Thank
you
sure.
G
You
asked
about
our
thoughts
on
the
minimum
sizes
and
you
know
I'm
skeptical
of
minimum
house
sizes
and
I
guess:
I
had
a
couple
questions.
First
of
all,
you
I
mean
I,
get
what
you're
saying
about.
If
we're
gonna
be
building
out
services,
we
need
to
get
that
back
in
in
taxes
is
or
the
minimum
minimum
house
sizes
only
in
the
n1
and
two
districts.
G
B
B
Basically
rezoning
that
council
approved
for
square
footages
and
I
will
say
it's
not
new
in
Des
Moines,
every
Planned,
Unit
development
in
every
or
one
rezoning
that
I
can
think
of
in
my
18
years
of
the
city
has
had
a
stoning
condition
on
it.
Stating
a
minimum
square
footage
was
required
and
that's
gone
from
you.
G
B
You
know,
there's
the
affordability
question
about
it
that
we're
forcing
you
know
with
the
release
of
the
of
the
housing
study
that
just
came
out
this
week.
The
downtown
housing
study
in
particular
and
the
the
designate
or
that
report
basically
said
worse,
like
58,000
units,
there
anticipated
to
be
needed
to
accommodate
the
growth
of
Des
Moines
from
an
affordable
housing
standpoint
going
forward,
Des,
Moines
metro,
not
just
Des
Moines,
and
so
clearly
that
came
out
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
sensitivity
to
housing
cost
in
every
additional
regulation.
B
That's
cost
to
we're
already
subsidizing
through
the
whole
housing,
housing,
trust
fund,
affordable
housing,
habitat
ylim,
Inc
or
building
products.
It
does
affect
that
I
I'm,
not
questioning
that.
What
we
also
heard
was
that
there
are
home
builders
that
are
wanting
to
start
building
smaller
homes
in
Des
Moines
and
in
the
metro,
and
that
that's
a
trend
that
they're
seeing
nationwide
that
that
that
cities
are
going
to
are
going
to
be
going
to
in
the
future
is
smaller
home
sizes
and.
B
B
So
when
you
talk
about
our
processes
being
improved
to
our
land,
use
map,
saying
where
multifamily
housing
is
appropriate,
our
zoning
map
putting
that
into
effect
regulatory
they
come
in
with
a
design
that
complies
with
the
standards
at
a
location
where
it's
allowed.
It
should
be
permitted
it's
on
a
transit
route.
We
should
it
should
go
through
the
system,
so
it
we've
gotten
rid
of
the
pnz
site
plan
review
of
multifamily.
It
would
just
theoretically
could
be
an
administrative
review
on
those
I
think.
That's
a
benefit.
B
I
think
that
helps
address,
affordable
housing,
time
and
process.
Reducing
that
save
money.
I
also
think
that
this
s3
dwelling
units
I
mentioned
they've,
been
introduced
in
this
draft,
help
that
again
an
accessory
dwelling
unit.
If
you
have
a
principal
structure
on
the
property
that's
owner
occupied,
you
can
have
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
of
up
to
50%
of
the
square
footage
of
the
primary
structure
as
an
accessory
dwelling
in
it
in
certain
districts,
not
all
districts
may
be
in
the
future,
the
codes
a
minute
and
it
gets
expanded
to
all
districts.
B
That's
what
a
lot
of
cities
are
doing
right
now.
We
felt
like
we
haven't
had
forever,
so
maybe
we
should
tiptoe
into
it
make
sure
every
is
good,
but
the
thought
is
that
I
mean
maybe
from
an
affordable
housing
standpoint
that
accessory
dwelling
unit
could
be
an
income
stream
for
the
for
the
family,
that's
living
in
that
home
and
that's
not
just
a
low-income
family.
That's
any
family,
maybe
that
that
accessory
dwelling
unit
is
helping
pay
a
portion
of
the
mortgage
on
that
on
that
homeowners
property.
B
So
it's
an
imp
attention,
income
stream.
From
that
perspective,
it
could
be
in
the
basement.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
in
a
detached
structure
above
a
garage
or
anything
like
that.
It
could
be
in
the
basement
of
the
drawing.
So
when
we
ask
for
our
basements
in
these,
if
there's
the
opportunity
in
the
same
district
to
allow
an
accessory
going
unit,
maybe
that
accessory
dwelling
unit
could
be
finished
off
in
a
portion
of
the
basement,
we're
requiring
and
again
it's
an
income
stream
for
a
potential
owner.
B
Moving
into
a
smaller
may
be
a
different
product
type,
but
not
leave
their
neighborhood
well.
This
code
starts
to
encourage
that
and
then
finally,
just
that
the
missing
middle,
the
accessory
dwelling
units
and
then
the
buy-rite
reviewer
to
natee
for
multi-family
residential.
If
you
look
at
affordable
housing,
it's
not
just
the
housing
cost,
its
transportation
costs
so
encouraging
density
and
densification
on
our
transit
corridors
is
going
to
have
people
have
access
to
transit.
They
may
not
have
to
own
a
car
if
they
don't
have
to
own
a
car.
B
C
B
Encourages
bike
lanes
and
walkable
neighborhoods
and
the
third
major
component
of
a
budget
when
we
talk
about
affordable
housing
has
been
healthcare
costs
and
hopefully,
maybe
over
time.
The
bike
lanes
and
the
walkable
communities
makes
us
a
healthier
community.
That's
what
we
talked
about
with
the
age-friendly
communities
group.
We
overtime,
improve
with
health
in
our
communities,
then
maybe
we're
reducing
healthcare
costs
on
a
household
basis
as
well.
B
There's
a
lot
of
it
that
goes
into
you
know
what
is
affordable
for
for
a
family
and
it's
I
know
the
standard
definition
is
30%
of
their
income,
going
towards
housing
costs,
but
I
argue
I.
Don't
know
that
that
necessarily
defines
affordable
for
someone,
because
it's
a
percentage
of
your
total
income,
30%
of
a
very
low
income
is
not
a
lot.
Is
that
still
affordable,
I,
don't
know
so
we're
trying
to
address
it
through
multiple
attitudes
we
may
have
to
increase
subsidies.
B
E
B
That
I'm,
aware
of
and
I
my
understanding,
my
recollection,
is
of
the
monument
science
match.
What
was
adopted
about
now
five
years
ago,
the
last
sign
code
changes
that
we
made.
We
implemented
that
freestanding
sign
overlay
district
on
the
whole
city,
and
this
code
prohibits
poll
signs
just
like
that.
Existing
overlay
district
does
so
now
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
changes
between
current
code
and
this.
Regarding
the
monument
signs,
the.
C
B
Drawings
weren't
accurately
reflecting
our
requirement
for
the
base
of
the
sign,
and
also
it
didn't,
extend
the
full-width
of
the
sign
in
the
previous
draft
so
that
that
graphic
did
change
in
this.
Just
to
clarify
that
our
standards
say,
the
base
Mont
of
the
monument
sign
has
to
be
as
wide
as
the
sign.
E
B
Utility
lines
aren't
specifically
addressed
by
the
zoning
ordinance,
the
streetscape
standards.
It's
not
a
citywide.
There
is
not
a
citywide
requirement
for
undergrounding
utilities.
Frank.
Can
you
I
don't
recall
that
being
in
this
draft
a
citywide
undergrounding
of
utilities
in
this
this
draft,
it
would
still
fall
under
that
just
the
downtown
or
under
the
underground
utility
district
is
what
we'd
be
referring
to.
So.
E
Okay,
I
bring
that
up
because
every
time
one
of
these
comes
in
little
bit
in
this
overlay
district,
it's
it's
it's
the
same
discussion
over
and
over
and
over
again,
and
that's
that's
a
recurring
concern
for
everybody
and
I.
Think
at
some
point
in
time.
That's
something
that
council
needs
to
consider
as
well.
E
I
One
of
the
elements
that
the
code
is
and
obviously
addressing
is
the
tax
abatement
design
guidelines.
So
what
tax
vania
underground
is
certainly
an
expectation,
and
if
you
consider
you
know,
multifamily
projects,
commercial
projects
that
are
incentivized
to
meet
our
standards
as
they
are
going
to
come
out
and
the
new
code,
one
of
the
expectations
will
be
to
look
for
undergrounding.
I
B
J
B
If
you
are
establishing
something
where
you're
accepting
a
fee
I
believe
under
the
state
code,
it
it
qualifies
as
a
cemetery
and
once
it
becomes
a
cemetery
there's
an
obligation
to
to
protect
that
area.
So
this
code
proposes
that
when
we're
doing
scattering
there
hounds
that
or
cemeteries
that
those
are
legally
described,
areas
and
we're
reviewing
the
location
of
those
and
are
requiring
perpetual
maintenance
agreements
and
things
like
that
as
part
of
that
use,
so
it's
it's
tightening
up
some.
A
B
I,
don't
know
if
other
jurisdictions
are
putting
square-footage
minimums
on
I
would
argue
that
based
on
sale
prices,
average
sale
price
is
outside
of
Des
Moines
compared
to
Des,
Moines
proper
I
would
argue,
they're
not
having
an
issue,
meaning
the
square
footage
is
that
we're
proposing?
There
is
a
definite
difference
in
the
valuation
that's
getting
that's
gained,
but
we
did
have
a
developer
last
night,
it's
a
national
builder
wanting
to
come
to
the
Des
Moines
metro
and
they
are
looking
at
building
thousand
foot
homes,
slab
construction
with
a
garage,
but.
B
Would
like
to
build
many
units
in
the
Des
Moines
metro
to
date,
they're
looking
at
Des,
Moines
they've,
not
secured
properties
in
any
of
our
suburbs
that
were
aware
of
I,
couldn't
hear
last
night.
They
said
Pleasant,
Hill
or
Pleasant
bill
because
the
other
cities
they
need
it
and
they
said,
were
Perry
and
Grinnell.
So
I
wasn't
quite
certain
exactly
so
across
the
room
when
he
said
it.
That's
like
I,
said
Pleasant
Hill
today,
and
so
he
said,
no
I
heard
Pleasant
bill,
we'll.
B
With
him,
but
when
we
asked
now
actually
one
of
the
citizens
I
was
at
the
meeting
asked
last
night:
have
you
looked
at
Waukee
or
West
Des
Moines,
and
they
said?
Oh
heavens,
no,
the
lots
are
$60,000
each
out
there.
We
can't
afford
to
build
out
there.
So
again,
this
isn't
to
pit
neighbors.
We
have
to
address
affordable
housing
as
a
metro
and
but
Des
Moines
is
not
the
only
solution
to
that.
I
think
we're
doing
a
lot
in
the
code
to
address
affordable
housing
that
others
could
follow.
B
D
B
There's
a
there's,
an
enhancement
on
it
and
I
think
it's
mainly
to
address.
We've
had
issues
where
they
say
it's
not
visible
from
the
street,
the
adjoining
street,
but
you
go
two
blocks
away
and
you
can
see
the
rooftop
mechanical
equipment
lined
up
on
the
rooftop.
So
this
is
an
enhancement
of
our
existing
with
top
mechanical
screening
and
I
know:
we've
had
these
discussions
about,
should
we
just
say
screen
to
the
height
of
the
equipment
all
the
way
around
so
but
this
is
an
enhancement
of
that
provision.
You're
correct,
okay,.
B
K
B
E
B
I
wanted
to
leave
that
available.
If
this
was
to
give
you
an
overview,
some
I
think
everybody
came
and
got
their
code,
but
a
couple
may
not
have
so.
The
idea
was
we
do
the
overview
and
a
few
questions
and
then
give
you
time
to
look
at
it.
Can
you
look
at
it,
bring
questions
again
to
the
next
meeting
and
and
and
again
just
kind
of
continue
that
familiarity
with
the
code.
B
All
the
issues
with
a
new
code
and
I
think
it's
sometimes
you
just
kind
of
have
to
hit
the
restart
button
and
just
say
we're:
gonna,
do
our
best
and
move
things
forward
and
the
process
is
better
in
the
existing
code,
it's
easier
to
find
information
and
then,
let's
work
on
fixing
what
people
say
doesn't
work
about
this
code
going
forward,
and
hopefully
staff
will
have
time
to
work
on
other
things
that
the
Commission
and
the
council
have
asked
us
to
be
working
on.
We've
got
a
historic
preservation
plan
that
needs
to
be
done.
B
For
the
city,
that's
been
it's
in
the
comp
plan,
but
it's
not
part
because
we
don't
have
the
resources
to
do
it
right
now.
Things
like
that,
there's
there's
a
lot
to
do.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
in
that
comp
plan
we'd
like
to
do,
but
this
is
the
one
we've
been
charged
to
do
right
now
and
we
got
to
get
past
it
yeah.
D
I
had
one
one
more
process
question
so
most
all
the
things
that
have
to
do
with
the
30%
increases
and
whatever
say
they
have
to
be
approved
by
community
development
director
that
always
been
that
way
or
in
the
past.
Is
it
more
of
your
role
in
your
position
and
then
maybe
explain
to
me
kind
of
how
you
fit
into
this
versus
Johanssen
and
yeah.
B
I
think
almost
all
references
now,
our
Community
Development
Director
and
the
code
under
the
Community,
Development
Director
section
and
thus
in
the
city
code,
allows
delegation
of
authority
so
like
community,
develop
director
delegates
authority
to
the
building
official
to
implement
a
building
code,
any
delegates,
the
authority
to
the
zoning
enforcement
officer
to
do
enforcement
of
zoning
and
rental
codes.
And
ultimately
my
role
has
been
it's
been
delegated.
To
me
to
do
a
lot
of
the
planning
administration
activities.
B
A
B
A
B
F
B
We
do
have
a
great
team
and
I
there.
Some
of
them
are
sitting
here,
but
I
cannot
say
enough.
I
I
had
to
stand
up
yesterday
and
explain
this
to
folks
and
we
thought,
but
there's
been
but
I'm
just
saying:
we've
had
a
team
from
the
legal
department,
the
building
department,
our
planning
staff,
neighbored
planning
staff
all
have
been
working
on
and
again.
This
is
like
other
duties
as
assigned
right,
we're
we're
still
processing
applications.
B
We
have
an
agenda
starting
in
about
three
minutes
that
we're
doing
two
meetings
a
month
and
all
that
so
in
Board
of
Adjustment
and
historic
preservation
and
Glen
is
also
doing
economic
development
agreements
and
working
with
Economic
Development
Department
and
our
eco
EE
office
has
helped.
With
this
I
mean
it's
been
a
comprehensive
team,
that's
worked
on
it,
so
I
kind
of
get
to
explain
it,
but
make
no
doubt
about
it.
There
was
team
review
of
of
these
provisions
and
thought
of
every
comment
that
was
submitted
on
the
last
draft.
Was
everything
implemented?
B
That
was
a
requested
known
and
thought
out.
It
wasn't
but
I
guarantee
you.
We
looked
at
everything
and
gave
it
consideration
and
made
our
best
recommendation
I
think
it's
a
fair
product,
that's
out
there
and
ultimately
it'll
be
up
to
you
and
the
council
to
decide
whether
or
not
to
adopt
it
and
what
changes.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Mike
all.
J
A
Six,
the
City
of
Des
Moines
planning
zoning
Commission
meeting.
These
are
the
rules
and
procedures
the
planet.
Zoning
Commission
is
an
advisory
body
to
the
City
Council.
The
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
a
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
Commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
flats.
Unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
are
appealed,
please
contact
the
city
clerk
or
the
community
development
staff
for
details
on
council
hearings.
A
Applicants
are
given
ten
minutes
to
present
the
request
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
being
a
lot
of
maximum
of
five
minutes.
An
applicant
isn't
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
Commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
A
Items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
and
the
staff
report,
unless
an
individual
present
or
a
member
of
the
Commission
requested
that
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda,
the
City
of
Des
Moines
is
pleased
to
provide
accommodations
for
individuals
or
groups
with
disabilities
and
encourages
participation.
City
government,
assisted
listening
devices
are
available
for
meetings
in
this
boardroom
to
better
serve
you
impossible.
A
Planning
Zoning
Commission
meetings
are
broadcast
on
Mediacom
cable
channels
at
seven
point,
one
or
seven
point
two
for
customers
with
that
service
transportation
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
can
be
scheduled
to
and
from
Dart
Central
Station
at
620
Cherry
Street
to
reserve
your
route.
Please
call
dart
on
call
scheduling
at
two
eight
three,
eight
one,
three
six
calls
for
trips
will
be
accepted
up
until
5:00
p.m.
A
of
the
day
prior
to
the
meeting,
and
please
be
sure
to
mention
in
your
request
that
you
require
transportation
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
at
this
location.
This
notice
is
intended
to
comply
with
accessibility
requirements
of
the
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act
we've
just
completed
our
commissioned
work
session
on
the
zone
code
for
this
evening
and
I
believe
we
can
establish
that
there
is
a
quorum
present
and
now
is
there
action
on
the
minutes
of
the
May
16th
fine
Anthony.
Can
you
see
me
I
noticed.
A
Get
it
and
were
there
any
may
votes
seeing
that
go
right?
The
consent
item
on
our
agenda
tonight
is
a
request
from
zimberg
company
of
Iowa
for
vacation
I'm
gonna,
joining
segments
of
right
away
north
of
the
subject:
property
running
from
Dickson
Street
to
East
17th
Street,
to
allow
assembly
with
the
adjoining
subject:
property.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
wishes
us
to
pull
this
from
the
consent
agenda?
A
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much
now
it's
my
understanding
for
the
public
hearing
items
tonight
that
item
number
2,
which
is
a
request
from
Pete
our
kg
1212
regarding
property
at
304,
East
walnut,
which
is
to
continue
the
item
to
our
next
meeting,
which
is
June
20th.
Is
the
representative
here
tonight
to
affirm
that?
N
A
Right
and
then
item
number
4,
which
is
request
from
a
Hubbell
Realty
on
the
property
located
at
4500
Hubbell.
For
several.
Let's
say
they
want
to
revise
the
existing
future
land
use
designation
from
Business
Park
to
low-density
residential,
and
they
want
to
you
an
approval
of
the
set
of
Seventh
Amendment
to
the
Baker
PUD
conceptual
plan
to
allow
development
of
nineteen
point:
nine,
eight
acres
of
agricultural
land
for
a
single-family
residential
subdivision,
and
it
is
my
understanding
that
they
are
going
to
have
a
neighborhood
meeting.
Yeah.
N
A
Is
there
any
opposition
all
right?
Thank
you.
That
leaves
us
with
item
number
three.
This
is
a
request
from
white
sherman
found
it
quite
sherman
place
foundation
for
appeal
of
an
administrative
denial
of
site
plan
white
sherman
place,
building
edition
on
property
located
at
1501
woodland
to
allow
addition
of
theater
scenery,
lot
and
left,
and
back
of
house
chair.
N
Members,
commission,
jason
Magnuson
with
the
city's
planning
staff
the
area
on
the
screen
identifies
the
subject
property
north
east.
Excuse
me:
northwest
corner
of
woodland,
a
fifteenth
Street
Hoyt
Sherman
place
large
property
in
the
Sherman
Hill
neighborhood
at
the
edge
of
downtown
just
quickly.
A
couple
photographs.
N
Looking
from
the
street
intersection
to
the
north
and
slightly
to
the
west,
this
is
further
up:
15th,
Street,
looking
south
and
then
Bridal
row
and
kind
of
a
northern
edge
of
the
property.
The
meaning
part
of
the
addition
would
go
in
this
area.
There's
some
other
addition
bathroom
facilities
here
and
then
a
small
kitchen
addition
towards
the
back
and
kind
of
internal
and
then
a
photograph
looking
down
Woodland
Avenue
towards
the
west
is
the
share
noted
in
the
description.
This
is
an
appeal
of
administrative
decision.
N
How
we
got
here
is
the
process
started
with
the
administrative
site
plan.
The
initial
thought
that
the
level
investment
or
the
value
of
the
addition
was
not
going
to
exceed
50%
of
the
value
of
the
property
during
our
review
of
it.
The
information
of
their
knowledge
that
the
value
was
higher
than
initially
anticipated
was
brought
forth
and
therefore
yet
triggered
full
sight.
N
Compliance
with
current
standards
we'd
had
some
dialogue
about
how
to
maybe
work
together,
a
staff,
an
applicant
on
finding
some
some
solutions
to
some
of
the
things
that
we
are
typically
looking
for
in
a
property
in
the
downtown
overlay
for
the
utilities,
burial,
streetlights
urban
edge
street
trees
and
those
are
the
typical
things
that
come
up
when
we
are
doing
a
full
compliance
site
plan.
We
weren't
able
to
come
to
something
that
has
staff
that
we
felt
we
could
approve.
N
We
try
our
best
to
work
with
folks,
but
we
also
recognize
that
we
have
a
a
role
to
kind
of
hold
to
things
that
are
typically
expected
by
you
and
and
others
that
we
report
to
and
felt
that
well
because
of
that
we
weren't
able
to
come
to
something
we
could
approve
as
staff,
and
so
this
is
brought
to
you.
The
I
know.
N
N
Keep
this
list
in
mind.
They're
gonna
come
up
and
give
a
presentation
as
to
their
position
what
I'm,
not
a
Harmsen
sure,
what
all
they
are
not
interested
in
doing
I'm
happy
to
come
back
up
and
talk
about
this
a
little
bit
further.
We
also
did
receive
a
letter
today
from
the
State
Historic
Preservation
Office,
that
focused
on
the
offense
requirement
and
their
concern
about
the
impacts
of
that
potentially
on
the
character
of
the
overall
site
and
I
think
they
used
it.
N
A
term
of
the
park
like
setting
wanted
to
bring
that
to
your
attention,
not
trying
to
conceal
that
we
did
get
it
today,
but
be
happy
to
like
I,
said
help
the
discussion,
move
forward
and
I.
Think
with
that,
unless
you
have
questions
for
me,
which
it
looks
like
Greg
does,
I
was
going
to
turn
it
over,
but
back.
B
B
What
should
we
be
using
the
assessed
value
as
the
is
the
true
value
of
the
structure,
and
so
they
had
proposed
that
we
consider
the
insured
or
adjusted
value
based
on
insurance
than
the
structure,
because
of
what
it
would
cost
to
rebuild
the
structure
at
this
level
of
ornate
building
architecture
and
finish
in
a
performance
venue
and
all
of
that
and
clearly
those
would
be
substantially
higher
than
what
the
assessed
value
was.
So
there
was
some
debate
over
that.
We
talked
about
having
flexibility
in
that
we
suggested
defensing
not
into
your
lot.
A
E
N
Review
or
I
shouldn't
use
it
I
stopped
the
historic
Commission
as
well,
and
the
the
Commission
did
review
the
additions
and
kind
of
the
ramp
work
earlier
in
the
project
or
earlier
in
this
process.
At
that
time
it
was
we
were
thinking.
This
was
the
administrative
site
plan,
so
with
regard
to
any
sort
of
fencing
treatment
or
that
so
I
think
the
historic
Commission
has
not
seen
that.
So
if
it
is
required
or
requested
of
by
the
planning
Zoning
Commission,
they
will
need
to
go
back
to
the
Historic
Preservation
Commission
for
approval.
N
The
there
have
been
prop
projects
in
the
historic
district
that
have
been
approved
with
some
level
of
fencing
for
commercial
level
projects.
Neither
one
of
those
projects
one
did
not
move
forward.
It
was
the
NDC's
office
building
project
that
would
have
been
for
the
Union
Hall
I.
Think
that
came
before
this
commission
as
well.
There
was
some
fencing
with
that
and
then
and
the
other
one
is
escaping
me.
E
My
other
question
has
to
do
I
believe
this
Pro.
In
fact,
I
know
this
project
received
federal
money
back.
What
ten
years
ago
was
something
through
an
American
treasures,
grad
and
part
of
that
was
reroofing
and
I,
think
gutters
and
downspouts,
and
some
some
landscaping
work
as
well.
Were
there
any
provisos
that
were
included
in
that
that
this
addition
would
not
conform
to
I
I.
E
F
F
The
initial
conversation
boiled
down
to
what
is
and
Greg
is
touching
on
it.
What
is
the
current
value
of
the
building
and
if
the
work
exceeds
stated
in
the
information,
if
the
current
work
it
exceeds
50%
of
the
value
of
the
building
that
triggers
site
plan
compliance.
This
project
is
a
4.5
million
dollar
project.
It's
in
the
back
of
the
building.
We
have
an
insurance
value
on
the
property,
we're
covering
insurance
of
20
million
dollars.
That
is
exclusive
of
the
art
collection.
F
The
furnishings,
that's
just
the
building
city
of
suckers
pages,
don't
reflect
the
value
of
a
property
and
I'm
convinced
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
true
but
I'm
convinced
if
you're
not
for
profit,
they
don't
pay
a
whole
lot
of
attention
to
that.
The
assessed
value
on
this
property
is
3.1
million
dollars
and
that
hasn't
changed
since
the
1990s.
So
had
we
been
able
to
come
to
an
agreement
that
four
point:
five
million
dollars
versus
twenty,
or
even,
if
you
add
some
of
the
past
work-
that's
been
done.
We
wouldn't
be
here.
F
Having
said
that,
I'd
like
to
walk
through
what
we're
proposing
to
do
and
we're
proposing
to
do
quite
a
few
of
the
things
that
are
on
the
list,
so
may
I
do
that
I'd
just
like
to
walk
through
the
project
and
that
list,
if
you
will
and
indicate
what
we
are
willing
to
do
and
what
we
are
not
either
willing
to
do
or
able
to
do
by
law.
So
I'm
just
going
to
start
if
I
may
and
go
through
a
couple
of
images
and
describe
the
site
plan
and
the
work
they're
doing.
F
Interestingly,
historically-
and
this
all
starts
with
the
parking
lot,
15th
Street
went
through
the
middle
of
this
parking
lot
and
I.
Don't
know
when
that
was
changed.
My
guess
is
sometime
after
two
thirty
five
was
built
and
to
bring
traffic
around
and
through
this
neighborhood.
That
was
that
effort
was
done.
F
I
have
up
here
so
if
I
may
start
at
the
top
of
the
building,
we're
proposing
an
addition,
one-story
addition
in
this
area-
that's
clad
in
brick,
it's
partially
buried
and
then
a
three-story
addition
in
this
area
on
the
back
of
house.
The
intent
of
this
project
is
to
provide
additional
space
for
rehearsals
we're
going
to
be
moving
the
offices
which
are
currently
in
the
mansion
into
this
area
that
will
allow
us
to
restore
as
a
separate
project
the
bedrooms
and
the
entire
second
floor
of
the
mansion
and
some
event
space.
F
Certainly,
events
generate
income
that
helps
to
pay
the
bills
that
will
occur
on
level
two
and
a
portion
of
level.
Three,
as
I
mentioned,
15th
Street
originally
went
all
the
way
through
this
little
piece
of
street
after
15th
Street
was
relocated,
was
renamed
Bridal
Row
there
about
a
half
dozen
five
houses
or
so
homes
in
that
area.
One
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
to
enhance
that
this
area
is
currently
Bridal.
F
Row
goes
right
through
the
parking
lot,
so
we
have
actually
acquired
this
piece
of
ground
from
the
city
and
we
are
going
to
redirect,
with
a
curb
Bridal
row,
to
take
bridal
row
out
to
15th,
Street
and
landscape
this
area,
so
that
was
a
welcome
from
the
neighbors
to
the
north
to
be
able
to
give
them
their
street
back.
If
you
will
and
not
be
part
of
a
parking
lot,
what
staff
is
requested
and
why
don't
they
just
go
through
the
list
and
then
I
can
touch
on
these
item
by
item
compliance
with
administrative
comments.
F
F
The
four
trees
that
are
light
is
what
we
would
propose
to
install
to
complete
this
street
planting
and,
very
importantly,
we
propose
to
do
a
hedgerow
down
along
the
entire
perimeter
of
that
parking
lot.
There
is
nothing
there
now
except
grass.
What
staff
had
asked
us
to
do
is
a
combination
of
metal,
fencing
interspersed
with
the
shrubbery,
and
will
you
mention
that
we
had
received
save
America's
treasures
funding
earlier?
That
requires
us,
because
there
is
a
federal
easement
on
this
land
that
requires
us
to
go
to
the
state.
F
F
Okay,
thank
you.
Steve
King
is
in
full
support
of
a
shrubbery
buffer.
If
you
will,
this
is
a
rather
complicated
piece
of
property,
believe
it
or
not.
This
wonderful
mansion
in
a
park
on
the
hill,
originally
on
the
outskirts
of
Des
Moines,
falls
within
the
downtown
overlay
district.
That
means
buildings
are
tight
to
the
street.
It
means
a
quote:
unquote
urban
edge
and
our
own
ordinance
allows
a
shrubbery
row
to
form
the
urban
edge
and
that's
what
we're
proposing
to
do
to
be
in
compliance
with
that
piece.
F
F
F
This
is
taken
off
of
an
aerial
photo
of
the
much
broader
street,
but
we
have
mature
trees
throughout
this
lawn
area.
One
interesting
factoid
were
interested
in
introducing
historic
trees
to
the
property.
Hoyt
Sherman
was
Abraham
Lincoln's
paymaster
during
the
Civil
War.
He
actually
left
a
loin
and
was
in
Washington
DC
and
we
are
obtaining
from
the
Breton
Arboretum
an
Osage
orange
and
it's
going
to
be
groomed
as
a
specimen
tree,
and
it
was
started
from
a
cutting
from
the
Osage
orange
that
actually
overlooked
Lincoln's
tomb.
F
It
was
planted
the
spring
before
he
was
buried
and
sadly,
it
was
removed.
Last
year
it
needed
to
be
removed.
It
was
heavily
damaged,
certainly
an
old
tree,
but
we
were
able
to
take
cuttings
I
say
we,
the
Breton
Arboretum
I'm,
also
on
that
board,
and
we
were,
we
are
going
to
be
a
wonderful
recipient
of
that
tree.
F
So
as
some
of
these
mature
trees
are
aging
and
not
looking
their
best,
we're
going
to
be
planting
the
property
so
that
20
years
from
now,
when
some
of
these
magnificent
trees,
trees
that
have
been
here
since
before
and
before
this
entire
area
was
settled.
We're
going
to
have
a
story,
so
there
are
mature
trees
and
again
this
area
was
taken
in
the
wintertime,
but
we
have
quite
a
few
trees
in
that
area,
so
we
are
not
proposing
to
put
anymore
trees
along
that
particular
Street
frontage.
Let
me
go
back
to
my
list.
F
If
I
may
so,
the
or
the
ornamental
fencing
was
rejected
by
Steve
King,
but
again
he
supports
the
the
landscape
shrubbery
because
it
would
be
historically
accurate.
The
utility
and
service
lines
to
the
building
shall
be
located
underground.
They
actually
are
located
underground.
That
was
a
requirement
during
the
last
project
and
there
is
a
transformer
on
this
pole.
The
line
goes
down
that
pole
and
is
buried
underground
to
the
building.
So
that
item
is
already
satisfied.
F
Item
number
five,
all
utility
service
lines
and
the
adjoining
right
away
should
be
underground
in
this
is
a
topic
of
conversation.
We
already
chatted
about
this,
we're
not
able
to
do
that
with
the
exception
of
I.
Think
two
poles
and
I
want
to
go
through
with
you
and
describe
this.
We
prepared
this
document
that
shows
the
existing
poles
one
two
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven.
Eight
nine
poles,
the
utilities
are
already
buried
on
15th
Street
interspersed
with
these
poles
or
what
I
call
the
quote:
unquote
historic
light
fixtures.
F
These
are
the
fixtures,
so
this
is
taken
on
woodland.
Looking
up,
you
can
see
the
mansion
here,
the
theater
here
this
is
about
a
16
foot,
light
fixture.
Those
were
installed
quite
some
time
ago
as
part
of
the
program
for
for
the
Sherman
Hill
neighbor
Association.
These
are
the
balance
of
the
poles
that
provide
power.
There
is
also
a
street
light
on
top
of
those,
so
we
have
a
street
light
here.
We
have
a
street
light
here.
F
It's
my
understanding
that,
when
the
neighborhood
Smid
of
which
sure
Hoyt
Sherman
place,
is
paid
into
that
schmid
and
just
signed
another
agreement
for
another
10
years,
so
I
think
one
can
argue
that
Hoyt
Sherman
paid
for
these
fixtures.
The
desire
was
to
remove
those
lights
and
work.
The
neighborhood
association
was
told
that
it
could
not
do
that.
So
you
might
recall
from
past
conversations
that,
when
power
poles
provide
power
to
adjoining
buildings,
we
cannot
touch
those.
Why?
F
Because,
if
you
were
to
underground
the
power
to
that
building,
then
that
building
is
owner
is
required
by
code
to
bring
their
entire
building
up
to
the
current
electrical
standards.
So
if
we
were
to
bury
the
line
underneath
woodland
hook
it
up
to
their
building,
they
have
to
bring
up
their
buildings
to
code.
That's
not
going
to
happen!
F
This
pole
serves
to
the
east
end
of
the
building
across
the
street.
This
pole
serves
the
house.
This
pole
serves
the
apartment.
Building.
This
pole
serves
the
property
to
the
west.
This
pole,
we
already
talked
about.
We
were
asked
to
underground
it.
There
I
think
our
two
transformers
on
that
pole.
This
pole
serves
the
apartment
building
here.
This
pole
serves
the
property
to
the
north.
So
realistically,
if
we
could
bury
anything,
we
could
bury
those
two
poles.
So
we
would
look
at
going
down
here
coming
up
and
popping
back
up
and
everything
else
is
overhead.
F
That's
an
expensive
proposition.
It
doesn't
solve
all
the
problem.
We
do
not
want
to
do
that.
Furthermore,
item
number
six
is
calling
for
us
to
replace
these
one-two-three-four
streetlights
and
they've.
Just
shown
you
an
image
here
of
the
historic
fixture
and
the
fixture
that
we
wanted
to
remove
about
20
years
ago.
We
don't
want
to
have
to
pay
to
remove
that
head,
replace
it
replace
that
pole
we'd,
rather
the
fixture
be
removed,
just
remove
the
fixture.
Why?
Why
do
we
have
two
streetlights?
Maybe
there's
a
reason
I'm
not
aware
of
that.
F
So
we
are
not
in
agreement
with
that
item
number
seven
rooftop
mechanical
equipment.
There
is
no
mechanical
equipment
on
the
roof
and
if
there
was,
we
would
certainly
screen
it
item
number
eight
I'm
going
to
ask
that
the
Historic
Preservation
Commission
I'm,
going
to
ask
Robert
Warren
who's
the
executive
director
to
come
up
and
just
discuss
the
conversation
with
York
Tanzer
in
that
group.
I
speak
quickly,
I've
gone
through
the
list.
Are
there
any
questions
of
me
before
I
turn
it
over
to
Robert,
who
might
be
able
to
provide
a
little
bit
more
insight,
Mike.
E
F
F
C
A
H
300
watt
Street
number
143
des
moines
five,
oh
three:
oh
nine,
sorry,
okay!
Yes,
it
is
insured
and
evaluated
at
twenty
million
dollars,
plus
a
six
point:
eight
million
dollar
art
collection
in
its
a
private
home.
It's
always
been
a
private
home.
It
was
the
home
of
Hoyt
Sherman
and
then
it
became
the
home
of
the
Women's
Club.
So
when
you
arrived,
you
feel
like
you're
entering
a
home.
H
We
also
talked
about
the
fact
that
that
pilot
tax
does
have
an
excess
in
there,
but
we
pay
for
the
additional
matching
streetlamps
up
the
sidewalk
on
the
property
through
a
grant
from
Prairie
Meadows.
So
my
big
takeaway
I
guess
is
that
one
of
the
very
first
grants
that
we
got
when
we
started
this
project,
which
is
now
almost
completely
fully
funded.
We
have
one
pending
request
on
Wednesday
to
enhance
Iowa.
H
Grant
that
we
got
was
a
leadership
grant
from
the
Community
Foundation
of
Greater
Des
Moines
and
followed
by
the
Rouen
Foundation
and
two
other
major
$200,000
requests
because
of
the
fact
that
Hoyt
Sherman
place
was
rien,
gauging
the
front
lawn
and
eliminating
all
barriers
to
participation,
in
particular
the
Oakridge
community
across
the
street.
It's
an
engaging
space
and
now
we're
being
asked
to
put
up
a
fence
which
creates
a
barrier
and
I
just
I'm,
very
emotional,
about
it.
We're
ready
to
go.
You
can
see
how
much
time
Mike
and
I
have
been
working
on
this.
H
G
H
I
have
met
with
York
Tanzer
and
talked
with
him.
His
email
to
me
said
it's
obvious
that
the
property
valuation
is
high
enough
not
to
trigger
the
50%
issue.
This
is
the
surest
way
to
finalize
this
problem.
If
that
doesn't
work,
it's
not
going
to
get
the
support
of
HPC.
They
are
also
opposed
to
the
fencing.
D
I
have
a
maybe
a
comment,
maybe
a
question:
I'm,
not
sure
what
you'll
be
when
I
get
it
out,
but
I
personally
actually
prefer
the
hedging
solution
as
long
as
it's
a
not
only
a
perennial,
of
course,
but
one
that,
through
the
winter,
still
acts
as
a
hedge
and
not
a
bunch
of
sticks,
so
you're,
the
right
type
of
edge
I,
think
makes
a
ton
of
sense.
I'm,
not
sure
what
that
is,
the
the
item
that
troubles
me
so
I'm
curious.
Why
there's
really
honestly?
D
No
movement
on
your
guys's
side
is
the
overhead
lines
and
streetlights
and
poles,
and
you
know,
there's
other
folks
in
the
Sherman
Hill
neighborhood
that
have
been
forced
much
much
much
smaller
projects
to
deal
with.
You
know:
they're
wire
or
they're,
streetlights
or
they're,
poles
and
and
I
thoroughly
personally
understand
the
problem
that
you're
talking
about
I've
been
through
this
I.
Also
understand
that,
though,
there's
definitely
a
discourse
between
Jack
Porter
and
the
city
about
the
street
lighting
and
my
understanding
is
Sherman.
D
Hill
is
supposed
to
be
doing
a
light
study
and
then
the
light
study
can
prove
light
levels
and
get
to
the
level
of
types
of
lights
and
amounts
of
lights
like
that
stuff
and
it
seems
to
be
in
their
Court
last
time.
I
talk
to
them
all.
That
said,
there's
some
owners,
there's
projects
that
have
been
through
this
board,
that
they
put
up
bonds
and
you
know
for
future
once
all
that
gets
reconciled,
which
doesn't
seem
to
be
moving
on
a
speedy
pace.
D
So
it's
it's
troubling
to
me
that
this
is
a
fantastic,
so
I'm.
Actually
a
member.
You
might
kick
me
off
after
this,
but
I'm.
Actually,
a
member
of
weight
and
I
love
this
facility,
but
I
think
there
needs
to
be
some
movement
on
enhancing
editing,
changing,
making
better
providing
for
the
future
these
overhead
lines
and
poles
and
and
to
do
nothing
and
since
ADA
we're
just
not
gonna.
Do
anything.
That's
a
struggle
for
well.
F
D
D
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D
M
I
get
these
throwing
out
there
because,
as
Mike
was
going
through
it
the
according
to
their
study,
the
only
possibility
were
two
of
them
that
we
could
do
something
about.
So
my
question
to
this
Greg,
my
colleague
Greg,
is
if
they
thought
that
they
could
move.
Those
two
is
that
enough
of
a
something
to
do
based
on
his
question.
Might.
D
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H
The
city
was
gifted
the
property
by
the
heirs
to
the
Sherman
family
in
1905,
and
they
did
lease
it
to
the
Women's
Club
you're
correct
for
a
dollar
a
year
to
add
the
to
art,
galleries
that
raised
the
money
and
build
the
theater.
But
in
1990
the
Women's
Club
was
struggling
to
make
ends
meet
and
so
through
an
agreement
with
Fred
Weitz
and
several
powerful
attorneys.
They
created
Hoyt
Sherman
place
foundation
in
1995.
H
They
sold
one
painting
for
four
million
dollars
to
create
an
endowment
and
the
city
relinquished
all
rights
to
the
property
to
the
foundation
and
the
Women's
Club
released
all
rights
to
the
art
and
the
art
gallery
and
the
theater
and
the
parking
lot
which
they
purchased
themselves.
So
it's
all
been
under
complete
control
of
Hoyt
Sherman
place
foundation
since
1995
I
think.
E
E
It
seems
as
if
from
what
we've
talked
about
here,
that,
in
connection
with
what
mike
has
said
in
what
you
have
already
done
and
in
what
you
propose
to
do
the
only
issue
in
terms
of
what
the
second
the
staff
recommendations
are.
Is
this
one
item
number?
What
is
a
numbers?
Five
that
we're
talking
about
right
now?
Is
that
correct.
A
E
F
Again,
we
can
only
effect
two
polls-
I
I,
almost
rather
like
the
idea,
if
that's
where
this
board
is
going
to
bond
and
if,
if
we're
looking
to
work
out
a
solution
of
burying
powerlines
and
that's
what
everyone's
interested
in
doing
I'm,
certainly
in
favor
of
that
is
there
a
better
long-term
solution
in
a
bond
would
cover
the
exposure
of
Hoyt
Sherman
place
and
possibly
it
could
be
a
bigger
project
rather
than
trained
to
do
this
piecemeal.
Because
I
can
tell
you
if
we
buried
if
we
again
I,
we
cannot
remove
this
line.
F
We
can
go
down
underground
to
here
and
come
back
up
so
conceivably.
We
can
remove
two
poles
I,
also
don't
want
to
replace
them
with
streetlights,
because
it
just
it
just
seems
redundant
to
have
one
streetlight
and
20
feet
away.
Is
a
streetlight?
That's
ten
feet
taller
I'm,
not
aware
of
what
the
rule
is
or
an
ordinance
that
requires
lighting.
F
N
There's
just
been
enough
talk
about
the
streetlights
and
well
then
I'd
I,
just
gonna
interject
I,
do
want
to
clarify
that
the
reason
that
there
are
the
poles,
the
intermix
together
with
it
Avenue,
is
the
classification
on
the
street.
I've
confirmed
this
with
our
engineering
department,
the
ornamental
poles,
so
not
tall
enough
to
spread
the
light.
Far
enough
for
a
street
of
that
level
and
I
believe
on
a
15th
Street.
N
G
N
J
J
Obviously,
that
a
lot
of
the
reasons
why
we're
here
is
because
Polk
County
put
an
estimate
on
it
that
they
haven't
touched
in
a
lot
of
years
and
that
triggered
this
off
and
that's
why
we're
here?
Not
a
big
deal
to
me
so
I
support
this.
The
project
I
think
the
applicants
done
a
good
job
in
their
presentation.
It
seems
like
they're
really
close,
except
over
the
fence,
but
they're
willing
to
play
ball
with
the
hedges
and
and
I'm
satisfied
with
that.
A
H
A
L
F
F
M
D
L
L
L
L
L
So
that's
one
thing:
the
other
thing
is
it
just
sits
on
the
edge
of
the
downtown
overlay
kind
of
on
the
toe
of
what's
other
otherwise,
a
residential
community,
and
so
the
two
unfortunate
things
in
my
mind
are:
we've
got
this
value
thing.
That's
driving
our
discussion
and
the
downtown
overlay
piece
where
I
mean
Sherman
Hills
surrounds
you
anyway.
L
D
D
It's
recommend
approval
with
the
following
modifications
item
one
would
stay
as
written
item.
2
would
be
revised
to
be
only
applicable
to
along
15th
Street
and
the
actually
just
15th
Street
item.
3
would
be
revised
to
be
to
allow
hedging
as
an
urban
edge,
as
approved
by
the
planning
administrator
item.
4
I
think
can
be
removed
because
my
understanding
is,
it's
been
done.
D
Item
5
and
6
I
would
probably
remove
and
replace
with
that.
The
owner
provides
a
bond
in
the
amount
necessary
to
replace
the
two
poles
that
they
can
replace
and
the
associated
lines
between
them
underground
and
that
that
agreement
gets
worked
out
with
the
planning
administrator,
because
I
know,
there's
other
properties
that
they've
worked
out
durations
of
time
and
different
things
that
are
applicable,
which
gives
hopefully
the
neighborhood
time
to
get
its
act
together,
because
I
do
also
agree
that
LED
light
fixtures
of
the
Cobra
type
I
mean
of
the
archetype.
D
Don't
make
sense
here
at
all
number
seven
I
believe
I
want
to
see
it's
not
applicable,
but
we
can
leave
it
if
that
makes
folks
feel
better.
But
it
sounds
like
there
is
no
rooftop
mechanical,
it
can
be
removed
and
number
eight
I
think
stays.
I.
Think
I,
don't
think.
There's
an
issue
with
number
eight.
A
N
I
just
clarify
Greg,
just
I,
think
I
heard
I,
just
wanna
make
sure
on
your
reference
to
just
the
15th
Street
requirement.
That's
item
2,
which
is
the
street
trees
and
the
parking
lot
perimeter,
plantings
and
open
space
plantings,
but
on
3
the
hedge
would
be
both
Street
frontage.
This
right
well,
15th
a.m.
again.
Thank
you.
So.
M
D
C
D
A
A
C
B
A
M
C
C
H
C
D
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Everyone
and
I
am
mr.
Warren.
One
thing
that
I
was
going
to
come
in
on
your
comments
was
that,
in
addition
to
supporting
the
Oak
Ridge
neighborhood,
which
yes
I
totally
agree,
fight
Germany
has
quite
Sherman,
has
also
been
the
scene
of
many
Des
Moines
public
school
graduations,
including
ours,
Scavo,
school
and
also
Edmond.
So
it's
very
well.