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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, Nov. 21, 2019 in Des Moines, Iowa.
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A
A
A
Right
are
there
any
abstentions
and
any
objections?
Thank
you
seeing
then,
the
minutes
are
approved
all
right.
At
this
time
we
will
go
through
the
consent
agenda.
As
is
published
item
number
one
is
a
city
initiated
request
to
vacate
segments
of
the
alley
right
away
adjoining
property
at
100
East?
Second,
to
allow
the
police
department
to
restrict
public
access?
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
wishes
us
to
pull
this
item
from
the
consent
agenda
right,
singing,
it's
or
anyone
on
the
Commission?
D
A
E
A
Item
number
two:
then
you
would
wish
us
to
pull
this,
so
you
can
state
your
objection.
All
right,
we'll
pull
item
number
two
from
consent
to
the
public
hearing
item
number:
three:
is
a
city
initiated
request
of
a
care
segment
of
East
15th
from
East
Martin,
Luther,
King
Parkway
to
East
market
in
the
vicinity
of
two
hundred
South
East
15th
Street
to
assemble
with
adjoining
city-owned
property
for
redevelopment?
Is
there.
F
D
A
So
so
item
number
two
can
remain
I
consent,
that's
autumn.
You
wish
to
hear
item
number.
Three.
Is
the
item
that
you
wish
to
hear?
Okay,
all
right
item
number
four
is
request
from
Catholic
Health
Initiatives,
also
doing
businesses,
Mercy
Medical
Center,
two
for
review
and
approval
of
the
proposed
sixth
amendment
to
the
Mercy
Medical
Center
PUD
conceptual
plan
properly
located
in
the
vicinity
of
1111
sixth
Avenue
to
allow
for
revision
to
the
campus
sign
plant.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
we
should
to
hear
this
item?
A
D
A
H
A
There's
an
individual
which
is
to
pull
this
item
so
that
goes
to
public
hearing
item
number.
Six
is
a
request
from
Hope
industries
for
reviewing
approval
of
a
site
plan.
Bethel
mission
parking
addition
under
design
guidelines
for
extension
of
parking
on
property,
located
at
thirteen
seventeen;
thirteen.
Twenty-One
thirteen
twenty
three
and
thirteen
twenty
fifth
twenty
fifth
seventh
Street
to
allow
development
of
a
twenty
eight
space
off
street
parking
lot
for
the
Bethel
mission
across
the
alley
to
the
east.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item
tonight?
A
H
A
A
A
A
B
A
D
A
Okay?
So
tonight
we
will
begin
our
public
hearing.
Oh
wait
a
minute
so
for
public
hearing
items
tonight
we
will
have
item
number.
Three
item.
Number
four
item
number
five
I,
don't
know
verse
seven,
which
is
a
request
from
Hubbell
Realty
for
review
and
approve
of
preliminary
plat
Grover
woods
on
the
property
and
vicinity
of
forty
forty
five
hundred
Hannibal
to
allow
subdivision
of
the
property
into
84
single-family
development.
Lots
I
am
under
the
understanding
that
the
applicant
wishes
to
continue
this
item
to
December
5.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
H
A
A
All
right,
so
item
number
seven
will
be
moved
to
our
December
first
meeting.
It's
also
my
understanding
that
item
number
10,
which
is
request
from
case,
is
that
right
request
from
KC's
for
review
and
approval
of
property
located
thirty,
two
hundred
and
thirty
and
thirty,
two
twelve,
sometimes
ninth
and
nine
thirty
Park
Avenue.
The
applicant
wishes
to
move
this
item
to
continue
to
our
December
19th,
meaning
is
the
applicant
with
us
today.
A
H
A
A
This
item
I
moved
to
December,
19th,
okay,
thank
you
and
then
finally,
item
number
12
I,
remember
11
I'm,
under
the
impression
that
this
request
from
2701
Ingersoll
for
review
and
approval
of
site
plan
milik
reached
retail
center
under
design
guidelines
for
MPC
districts,
I'm
property
located
at
2701
Ingersoll
to
allow
development
for
property
with
a
5000
250
square
foot
commercial
center.
The
applicant
wishes
to
move
this
item
to
our
December
19th
meeting
is
the
applicant
with
us
right
with
that?
Also
a
written
request
to
move
that
item
that.
A
A
A
H
H
H
A
portion
of
that
has
been
vacated
previously
in
previous
vacation
when
the
railroad
was
decommissioned
in
that,
so
it's
actually
kind
of
two
little
pieces
at
this
point
in
time.
Staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this.
This
map
would
actually
be
adjusted
slightly
at
the
bottom
as
well
to
be
even
with
this
stuff.
H
H
H
The
railroad
has
the
area
Market
Street.
So
the
argument
I
think
of
the
objection,
is
that
they
would
be
landlocked
if
this
piece
was
vacated
these
pieces,
they
also
owned
the
adjoining
property
to
the
west
East
14th
viaduct
is
South
East
14th
Street
Viaduct
is
a
air
rights
easement
for
this.for,
but
does
allow
access
through
underneath.
H
So
it's
not
actually
right
away
their
parcel
lines
join
here
beneath
the
viaduct.
They
would
have
land
passage
through
their
own
property
to
the
west
and
I.
Don't
apologize,
I'm
not
able
to
zoom
out
and
show
you,
but
there's
adjoining
right
away
to
the
west
that
they
would
have
land
passage
to
if
this
were
to
be
vacated,
so
Real
Estate's
maintaining
their
recommendation
of
their
their
application
to
proceed
with
this
vacation,
but
it's
been
pulled
off
so
you're
going
to
hear
from
that
to
join
the
land
to
that
regard.
Yeah.
J
H
H
H
E
Hello,
my
name
is
Tucker
sin.
Ling'er
I
represent
Hawkeye
land
company
who
was
who
owns
this
northwestern
parcel?
That
is,
landlocked.
I
have
not
received
any,
but
anything
from
anybody
about
going
under
Southeast,
14th
Street
as
I.
Don't
understand
anything
from
the
city
about
any
of
this
project.
I
think
it's
a
pretty
self-evident.
There
is
a
road,
that's
our
public
access
to
our
property,
our
parcel
and
it's
being
vacated
and,
frankly,
I'm,
not
exactly
sure.
If
there
is
any
access
underneath
South,
East,
14th,
Street
city
hasn't.
D
K
G
Spoke
today
with
Phil
wagaman,
our
real
estate
division
manager
to
city
and,
as
Eric
stated,
mr.
Wegman
stated
that
it's
only
air
rights
that
we
have
over
over
for
Southeast
14th
over
both
of
those
properties.
So
the
two
lot
lines
do
about.
There's
no
right-of-way
intervening
for
14th
Street.
It's
just
air
rights
over
the
two
properties
that
you
don't
I
like.
E
What
are
the
I'm,
not
from
Des
Moines
I'm
from
Sierra?
It's?
What
are
the
qualifications
for
vacating,
a
right
away
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines,
because
I've
been
working
on
a
project
in
Cedar
Rapids
for
two
years
and
I've
been
told
that
if
I
don't
have
the
consent
of
every
single
adjoining
landowner,
it's
not
getting
vacated
so
I
I,
don't
know
what
your
policies
are.
I,
don't
know
these
rules
are,
but
we.
G
Don't
require
our
consent
of
every
property
owner
to
vacate
a
right-of-way
in
the
City
of
Des
Moines,
so
that
would
be
a
decision
of
our
Council.
The
general
test
is
whether
or
not
it's
even
for
a
public
purpose,
and
so
that's
what
the
hearing
about
is
for
tonight.
So
certainly,
if
you
truly
don't
have
any
access
from
any
other
other
source,
then
that
would
be
a
concern.
Okay,.
G
E
H
H
H
H
H
B
H
Gentleman
Pulliam
is
this
piece
right
here
and
then
it
abuts
another
parcel
that
they
owned
right
here.
There's
the
property
line
right
under
the
viaduct,
and
then
this
property
abuts
right
away
to
the
west,
which
is
right
here
so
fill
wagon
real
estate
managers
indicated
that
they
would
have
land
passage
still
through
this
piece
of
right
away.
If
it
were
developed,
could.
E
E
E
H
E
G
H
H
G
M
H
Initiated
this
has
put
this
on
it's
the
Commission's
charge
to
determine.
Is
it
necessary
for
public
purpose
and
then
it
would
go
to
the
council
for
decision.
So
I,
don't
think
you
know.
If
there
was
negotiations,
it
would
be
at
a
point
when
the
council
would
decide
if
there
was
conveyance
of
it
or
the
real
estate
sort
of
made
the
determination
that
it
that
they've
made
so
so
I
think
they're
waiting
for
a
recommendation
to
the
council.
Sorry.
M
M
A
B
B
B
E
G
H
A
A
A
A
A
I
So
number
four
request
from
Catholic
Health
Initiatives
Iowa
corporation
represented
by
Sandra
Swanson
for
review
and
approval
of
a
proposed
sixth
amendment
to
the
Mercy
Medical
Center
PUD
conceptual
plan
on
property
located
at
the
vicinity
of
one
one,
one,
one:
six
Avenue
to
allow
revision
to
the
campus
sign
plan.
So
it's
the
applicant
here.
D
H
H
H
Bottom
corner,
so
these
signs
are
the
largest
version.
One
thing:
that's
kind
of
the
main
point
of
our
staff
recommendation
is
they're.
Doing
this
little
flag,
mount
doesn't
overbuy
overlay
provisions,
because
this
is
a
PV.
The
council
can
about
an
amendment
that
would
waive
freestanding
overlay
provisions,
but
when
staff
reviewed
these
they
are
looking
at
them
in
the
context
of
the
entire
city
having
the
freestanding
in
place.
H
H
Everything
in
the
approved
PUD,
as
it
currently
sits,
includes
the
future
edition
of
the
tower
on
the
south,
but
during
the
interim
before
that
gets
built,
they
still
do
want
signage
to
go
on
their
building.
So
some
of
this
is
to
allow
some
interim
amount
of
signs
which
may
ultimately
get
removed
at
some
point
when
the
new
tower
is
built.
So
I
did
want
to
point
that
out.
H
Identification
signs,
I'll,
have
a
minimum
two
foot
tall,
okay,
face
constructed
a
brick
stone,
concrete
block
or
other
durable
matching
material
to
the
exterior
of
the
hospital
and
extends
from
grade
to
the
bottom
of
the
sign
face
across
the
entire
width
of
the
sign
which
would
make
it
meet.
The
intent
of
our
freestanding
overlay.
Now
two
feet
would
only
technically
meet
our
freestanding
overlay
on
an
8
foot
sign
or
smaller,
because
it's
all
fits
2
feet
or
25%.
H
Now
we're
still
suggesting
in
this
that
the
2
feet
go
with
the
tallest
signs,
so
the
12
foot
tall
would
also
just
have
a
2
foot
base,
which
would
it
be
less
than
the
25%
that
would
not
get
down
to
20.
So
then,
we
are
recommending
number
2
that
any
type
2
sign
type
2
freestanding
identification
sign
within
25
feet
of
a
front
lot
line
on
a
public
street,
basically
not
exceed
the
12
feet
so
and
I'd
I'm,
not
sure
if
there's
any,
that
would
fall
out
of
that.
H
H
K
H
Is
actually
reducing
height,
okay,
lay
that
out
for
you,
but
the
answer
to
that
is
yes,
and
there
there's
a
few
that
are
getting
added
that
aren't
there
currently,
some
that
are
being
removed
as
well.
So
then,
there's
actually
probably
a
net
decrease
in
the
total
amount
of
signs.
The
sign
are
also
being
decreased
as
well.
So
maybe.
I
H
N
N
N
Okay,
thanks,
as
Eric
said,
merci
Wan
is
in
the
process
of
rebranding
all
of
their
facilities
throughout
a
large
network,
and
this
being
one
of
them.
One
of
those.
Obviously
a
significant
facility,
perhaps
worth
mentioning,
is
that
this
signage
system
has
been
designed
and
is
already
being
implemented
in
various
locations
throughout
the
state
currently
including
some
of
the
signs
that
that
are
being
proposed
as
a
part
of
this
amendment.
So
that's
that's
a
one
factor.
D
N
What's
shown
here
in
the
center
is
currently
approved
and
on
the
left
is
the
identification
signs,
the
type
2
identification
signs.
Those
are
currently
approved
at
up
to
17
feet
tall
by
8
feet
wide
and
there
is
actually
8
locations
that
are
currently
approved,
as
within
the
current
PUD
amended
in
2016.
N
In
addition
to
that,
there's
several
locations
for
smaller
directional
type,
3
signs
that
are
post
and
panel
signs
throughout
the
campus
that
are
up
to
8
feet,
tall
and
7
feet
wide
again.
All
of
that
is
is
currently
approved.
&Amp;
Mersey
one
could
move
forward
with
with
those
signs
if
they
were
given
their
current
approval.
N
All
that
said,
merci
one
has
gone
through
us,
a
process
of
evaluating
all
of
that
and
has
come
to
the
conclusion
that
that
many
of
those
signs,
almost
all
of
them,
can
be
much
smaller
than
the
currently
approved
sign
worth
mentioning,
perhaps
in
the
context
of
the
overall
system.
So
on
the
right-hand
side
what's
shown
here
is
what's
being
requested.
Currently,
on
the
left-hand
side,
these
two
signs
represent
a
12
foot
tall
and
an
8
foot
tall
identification
sign.
N
There
is
proposed
to
be
3
locations
of
the
12
foot,
tall
and
5
locations
of
the
8
foot
tall
and
again
those
those
5
and
3
are
currently
approved
at
up
to
17
foot
tall,
so
you
can
see
on
the
top
there,
the
percent
reduction
from
56
percent,
even
down
to
25
percent
of
what's
currently
approved.
So
there's
been
a
significant
gesture
as
a
part
of
this
overall
system
to
to
bring
down
the
size
of
these
signs
from
what's
currently
approved.
N
N
That
said,
it's
it's
our
opinion
that
the
the
intent
of
the
well
I
guess
this
gives
you
a
sense.
This
is
the
one
location
of
an
existing
sign
with
the
with
the
existing
base
being
in
this
case,
cast-in-place
concrete,
what's
being
proposed
here
and
that
same
location
is
represented
here
with
a
a
design
concept.
N
So
if
you
can
imagine
the
sign
being
placed
throughout
Iowa
at
a
wide
variety
of
facilities,
it
is
not
intended
to
to
tie
in
and
match
any
kind
of
specific
architectural
element
on
one
facility.
It's
really
intended
to
be
a
standalone,
independent
element
that
that
has
a
signature
regardless
of
what
facility
you
visit.
N
The
second
recommendation
of
the
limit
of
12
feet
in
overall
height
mercy.
1
is
an
agreement
with
and
will
we'll
make
those
revisions
to
the
drawings.
The
first
recommend
staff
recommendation.
We
respectfully
ask
that
you
reconsider
that,
given
the
the
overall
system
design
itself
and
given
the
fact
that
mercy
has
has
gone
to
great
lengths
to
reduce
the
overall
square
footage
of
signage
for
this
entire
campus
by
over
40%,
that's
a
that's
a
very
thoughtful
gesture
to
try
to
work
with
the
overall
system,
work,
work
with
the
city's
requirements,
etc.
N
K
N
There
are
some
that
would
be
directly
adjacent,
a
sidewalk
that
perhaps
on
one
side,
you
might
have
limits
of
what
you
could
do
with
plant
material
on
one
side
like
I,
think
none
of
them
have
pavement
on
both
sides,
so
there'd
be.
There
would
be
some
isolated
situations
on
one
side
of
a
sign
that
you
might
not
be
able
to
have
plant
material
completely
surrounding
it.
I.
K
Mean
I
I
commend
the
design
I.
Think
it's
elegant,
I.
Think
it's
nice
I
think
it's
awesome,
that's
a
brand,
but
that
would
be
the
only
concern
for
me
would
just
be
that
durability.
You
know
whether
it's
a
bicycle
tire
or
snow
shovel
or
whatever
it
is.
You
know
that
would
be
my
only
concern,
but
I
do
think
it's
a
beautiful
design.
M
I
M
Your
mercy,
one,
has
obviously
done
a
lot
of
research
and
thought
in
terms
of
design
and
function
as
far
as
these
signs
are
concerned,
I'm
very
impressed
by
that
and
I
also
salute
you
for
reducing
the
number
of
signs
on
the
on
the
property.
But
my
question
is
a
generic
one.
You've
reduced
the
size
of
these
signs
and
obviously
in
your
research,
you've
done
that,
because
you
had
discovered
that
in
a
design
way
in
a
smaller
space,
you
can
convey
better
information
quicker
to
the
public.
Is
that
true
I.
N
M
I
appreciate
that
my
comment
is
that
that
merci,
one
has
come
up
with
a
plan
in
terms
of
design
that,
to
me
makes
better
sense,
both
in
terms
of
wayfinding
and
also
in
sort
of
an
anti
clutter
campaign
and
I
want
to
compliment.
Merci
was
one
for
doing
that,
because,
at
least
in
my
impression,
signage
is
one
of
these
things.
That
is
a
important
aspect
for
business,
but
it's
also
important
to
keep
it
in
in
visual
control,
I'm
afraid.
Sometimes
we
get
out
of
control.
So
thank
you
for
mercy
for
for
your
action.
M
F
Guess
just
an
answer:
I'm
sandy
Swanson
from
mercy,
one
just
an
answer
to
your
specific
question
or
an
affirmation
of
that
I
was
involved
in
the
design
process
and
you
are
absolutely
right.
The
intent
is
to
we
have
discovered
through
the
use
of
font
and
color,
that
you
can
improve
wayfinding
on
our
campus,
and
that
really
is
the
primary
purpose
of
this.
Additionally,
these
signs
will
be
tied
across
all
of
our
facilities.
F
So
it
is
the
hope
that
someone
who
visits
a
clinic-
let's
say
in
Newton,
sees
the
same
sign,
design
and
effect
and
wayfinding
tools
that
they
find
when
they
come
to
the
hospital
so
that
it
speeds
up
how
quickly
someone
can
find
their
way
and
draw
comfort
as
they
arrive
at
the
right
place.
So,
thank
you
all.
K
Your
inner
self
I'll
throw
out
a
motion
see
where
it
goes.
I
think
when
I
would
propose
is
that
we,
my
motion,
will
be
to
approve
this
with
the
following
modification
to
number
one,
but
at
the
end
of
the
sentence
you
basically
say
or
provide
shrubbery.
That's
the
right
term,
sir
Douglas
probably
correct
me
provide
shrubbery
on
all
sides
of
the
sign
base
for
protection,
so
in
other
words,
that
would
give
them
the
choice.
I
D
N
K
K
N
If
the
signs
are
beautiful,
if
I
may
I
from
a
durability,
it's
it's
in
mercy,
one's
best
interest
to
maintain
the
durability
of
the
science
too,
so
they
Witcher
so
I
guess
from
that
perspective,
if,
if
the
city
is
worried
about
a
sign
being
damaged
and
looking
bad,
it
would
be
I,
don't
believe
that
that's
an
Mercy
ones
best
interests
either
to
have
that
happen.
So
I,
don't
know
I'm
trying
to
understand
that
that
perspective
right
I
appreciate.
C
C
A
question
about
that,
so,
if
that
would
apply
to
the
smaller
signs
as
well,
such
as
the
4
foot
tall
sign,
I'm,
just
curious
on
I
feel
like
that
would
have
to
be
adjusted
in
form
because
at
such
a
small
height
I
would
assume
that
any
shrubbery
would
potentially
block
the
wayfinding
on
the
sign.
So
I'm
curious,
I'm,
curious
to
know
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
what
signs
we'd
be
looking
at
that
wouldn't
have
the
shrubbery
that's
already
in
place
or
already
planned.
N
A
good
question
you're
getting
getting
into
some
of
the
subtleties
of
the
of
the
freestanding
signs,
there's
two
variations:
there's
an
identification
sign
and
then
there's
a
directional
sign.
The
directional
signs
are
really
more
of
the
smaller
existing
fault,
post
and
panel
kind
of
system
that
doesn't
have
any
contiguous
base
to
start
off
with.
N
The
way
they
states
right
now,
if
I
understand
correctly,
staff,
does
want
everything
to
have
a
base,
even
though
they
don't
currently
as
a
part
of
our
system,
and
so
it's
by
striking
that
entire
recommendation
and
we
can
simply
keep
keep
it
as
presented
by.
But
if,
if
you're
not
going
to
strike
that
first
recommendation,
then
we're
going
to
need
to
to
work
with
staff
to
to
subtle
it.
You
know
differentiate
those
two
signs
and
talk
about
just
the
the
signs
that
are
up
around
the
perimeter,
the
larger
identification
signs.
I
I
D
D
A
A
H
N
H
D
D
H
Parking
space
provisions
in
order
to
get
a
most
efficient
parking
layout
for
them
to
use
this
property
to
students,
most
efficient,
I
think
if
they
would
have
had
to
adhere
to
those
things,
they
would
have
probably
seen
a
significant
reduction
in
the
number
of
parking
spaces.
So
they
have
already
been
through
that
process.
Staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
subject
to
compliance
with
our
administrative
review
comments
on
the
site
plan
review.
H
We
do
want
to
have
a
sidewalk
in
front
of
the
entrance
of
the
building
to
the
public
sidewalk,
so
they're,
showing
some
accessible
sidewalk
here
to
get
to
the
entrance
of
the
building
off
the
of
the
drive
mile.
But
we
do
want
to
see
something
that
gets
pedestrian
and
other
just
along
rear
facades
or
facades
that
are
internal
to
the
site,
so
that
they
aren't
visible
from
public
street
views
basically,
and
that
that's
the
ideas.
If
we
get
a
array
of
14
electric
meters,
we
don't
want
that
obvious
to
the
passerby
on
the
public
streets.
L
D
L
A
O
Hi,
my
name
is
Darrin
sliced,
er
and
I
own
the
property
adjacent
this
at
12:15,
34th
Street.
That's
why
I
wanted
to
come
here
tonight
and
just
voice
a
concern
me,
but
preface
my
remarks
with
I
really
like
to
see
this
property
not
be
vacant.
We've
had
some
issues
with
vagrancies
and
windows
getting
broken
out
and
having
a
property
next
door.
That's
kind
of
concerning
to
see
particularly
you
know,
our
Greek
Street
I'm
supporting
drainage,
it's
so
good.
O
The
concerns
I
have
is
is
the
occupancy
limits
and
the
total
number
of
people
that
would
be
here.
That
goes
to
how
many
cars
are
going
to
be
I
know.
We've
said
that
we've
talked
about
parking
already.
However.
I
was
made
aware
as
I
research.
This
I
purchased
this
property
about
the
same
time
that
the
the
current
owner
bought
this
and
had
gone
through
the
adjustment
process.
So
I
was
not
made
aware
of
any
of
that.
O
Discussion
was
going
on
I
just
found
out
about
this
a
few
weeks
ago,
when
the
letter
showed
up
saying
this
is
gonna
happen,
understanding
he
originally
asked
for
20
units
and
went
down
to
14.
There's
an
implicit
intent
in
my
mind
that
more
people
are
going
to
be
needed
in
this
building.
That
would
just
be
maybe
2
per
14
units.
O
If
you
put
three
or
four
or
five
which
I
don't
know,
if
there's
an
occupancy
limit
when
in
DesMoines
codes
when
it
comes
to
this,
that
would
imply
to
be
a
lot
more
than
20
cars
on
site
being
a
loner
with
the
property
next
door.
That
has
a
juicy
really
big
parking
lot.
That
I
currently
don't
have
to
do
anything
to
patrol
it's
it's
my
my
kids.
O
O
She
would
come
to
me
by
virtue
of
having
a
lot
of
people
in
my
building.
It's
twice
the
size
of
mine
that
will
have
less
parking
when
I
do
so.
That's
that's
my
concern.
The
other
way
I
could
spend
this
around
is
to
say
well,
if,
if
this
is,
if
the
plan
that's,
there
is
acceptable
at
some
point.
I
have,
in
the
back
of
my
mind,
to
expand
the
property.
I.
O
O
Actually,
a
fraternity,
that's
a
non
recognized
fraternity
of
surgeons,
men.
They
go
to
campus
fellowship
together
and
it's
more
along
the
lines
of
a
boarding
house
from
how
the
regulations
would
look
at
it.
The
guys
live
there,
there's
multiple
people
per
room.
It
might
be
2
to
4
or
5,
depending
on
the
size
of
the
room.
It's
there.
So
it's
not
a
single-family
house.
It
is
a
rental
property.
A
B
P
N
A
G
O
G
Month
and
under
that
code,
the
parking
regulations
are
actually
subject
to
staff
review,
so
it
would
be
a
different
process
under
the
new
code,
but
actually
maybe
a
more
convenient
process
potentially
because
the
parking
ratios
and
the
amount
of
parking
the
relief
would
be
administrative
review.
Instead
of
going
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment.
Okay.
L
I
on
the
parking
issue,
you
know
we
do
have
our
20
parking
stalls
here
for
the
14
units.
My
understanding
is
concerned
about
people
parking
on
his
property.
Obviously
that
wouldn't
be
something
we
would
want
either.
So,
understandably,
so
I
guess
there's
really
nothing.
We
can
do
other
than
advise
the
residents
here
that
they
are
to
park
in
this
lot
and
not
in
the
adjacent
properties.
That's
one
thing
we
could
offer
on
that.
L
A
Q
Hello,
I'm,
John,
schneller
I
live
in
five
five,
four
two
little
leaf
trail
West,
Des
Moines,
but
I'm.
The
president
of
Trinity
Lutheran
Church,
which
is
just
behind
and
I,
want
to
commend
Aaron
there
I
would
agree
with
him.
Trash
is
a
problem.
I'm,
sorry,
I,
don't
have
the
skill
set,
but
I
got
pictures
of
trash
in
that
lot
right
now,
and
it
appears
that
somebody's
been
sleeping
in
a
lot
at
this
time
because
it
looks
like
a
sleeping
bag
there
and
ice
I'm
a
lot
of
them
over
there.
Q
A
lot
and
I
have
to
pick
up
the
trash,
so
I
would
hope
that
the
building,
if
you
get
a
chance
to
walk
around
it,
it's
a
dump,
total
dump,
so
anything
anything
that
he
would
do
would
be
an
improvement,
but
our
sump
pump
at
our
church
runs
I
base,
I'm
going
to
say
about
every
twenty
minutes.
So
I
am
concerned
about
the
water
from
that
parking
lot.
That's
so
it's
it's
a!
There
is
a
parking
lot
there,
but
it's
in
disrepair.
F
Q
We
have
that
problems
with
some
of
the
sorority
people
and
fraternity
people
parking
in
our
parking
lot
and
we're
reluctant
to
do
it,
but
we
have
had
cars
towed
from
that
area
and
and
we'll
continue
to
do
it,
but
usually,
if
you
do
about
one
a
year,
the
word
gets
out,
let's
see
yeah,
but
will
the
my
question
is
another
question:
is:
will
the
building
be
torn
down?
That's
it.
Q
A
Q
A
L
I
agree:
the
building
is
in
pretty
bad
shape
and
the
parking
lot
is
in
bad
shape.
The
intent
is
to
repurpose
the
building.
It
will
be
kept
in
in
there
cleaned
up
new
materials
put
on
new
windows
it'll.
It
look
like
a
new
building
when
it's
done
and
greatly
improve
the
area.
I
guess
and
currently
there
is
a
construction
fence
around
it
to
try
to
keep
out
anybody
in
there
for
any
damage,
and
there
has
been
damage
to
windows
that
have
to
have
been
boarded
up
at
this
time.
L
B
L
B
H
About
the
occupancy,
so
this
will
require
rental
certificates.
The
number
of
occupants
per
unit
will
be
restricted
by
the
size
of
the
bedrooms.
So
in
terms
of
concerns
about
the
number
of
individuals
that
would
live
here,
our
rental
codes
should
manage
that,
based
on
the
size
of
the
bedrooms
and
the
size
of
the
units,
they
will
also
you
know.
All
these
things
with
regard
to
the
upkeep
of
the
pavement
of
keep
of
the
trash
enclosure
will
be
monitored
through
the
certificate
process.
So
that's
a
little
different.
A
B
A
A
H
H
And
I
should
point
that
out.
So
when
you
get
your
materials
in
the
mail
and
there's
something
you
need
more
detail
with
or
explanation,
don't
have
to
take
the
contact
staff
I've
started
posting
the
PDFs
on
website.
So
hopefully
you
can
reference
that
as
well
zoom
in
on
PDFs
and
things
to
maybe
make
it
a
little
easier
because
I
do
know.
This
11
by
17
format
can
be
a
little
tough
to
read
on
TVs
the
subject.
H
Property
is
a
property
that
was
approved
as
a
Planned
Unit
development
at
the
corner
of
48th
Street
and
Franklin
Avenue.
So
your
I
know
you're
all
generally
familiar
with
that
going
through
that
process.
Recently,
one
of
the
stipulations
when
that
plan
was
approved
for
the
mixed-use
redevelopment
of
the
Franklin
junior
high
site
was
that
this
any
development
plans
would
come
back
through
the
formal
process
of
the
planet,
Zoning
Commission
and
the
City
Council.
H
So
now
the
developer
and
owner
is
seeking
to
move
along
with
some
of
the
renovations
and
the
building
permits,
and
part
of
that
is
to
also
get
approval
of
the
development
plan
in
that
process.
So
there
they
have
submitted
that
at
this
time
is
there
anyone
that
wants
to
see
the
photos
of
the
project
at
this
time
as
they're
pretty
familiar
with
I'm
trying
to
condense.
If
I
can
before
you
so
I
want
my.
D
H
Development
plans
and
site
plans
are
a
little
different
than
when
we
do
a
rezoning.
We
sent
out
a
notice
and
it
does
not
contain
a
response
card.
If
they
want
to
respond,
they
need
to
come
to
the
permit
and
Development
Center
or
contact
us
and
have
us
send
them
the
information
on
the
plan
before
they
can
provide
us
with
a
response.
H
D
H
Matching
up
with
that,
so
that
those
were
not
increased
in
that
perspective
they
were,
they
were
in
conformance
I'm
gonna.
Let
them
elaborate
on
anything
specific.
If
you
have
questions
about
the
actual
usages,
in
particular
within
the
building
I,
think
most
of
our
concerns
had
to
do
more
with
the
layout
of
the
property.
G
M
H
H
H
B
H
H
H
That's
part
of
development
plans,
in
this
case
the
new.
If
the
new
sidewalk
went
along
here,
it
would
significantly
reduce
existing
vegetation
that
we
think
provides
a
protection
against
for
the
neighbors
in
the
apartments
from
the
parking
activity
of
the
overall
site
and
that
the
the
circulation
for
pedestrians
is
so
I
serve
getting
to
from
the
park
Franklin
and
from
the
apartments.
H
However,
while
we
would
want
to
see
internal
circulation
developed
to
make
sure
that
people
getting
from
the
site
to
those
places
is
adequate,
so
we
are
recommending,
contrary
to
our
typical
traffic
engineering
requirement
that
that
be
built
with
a
sidewalk.
So
that's
one
element
that
we're
recommending
in
favor
of
that
they
provide
here's.
H
Of
yes
there's,
that
was
what
I
said.
I
said
that
they
had
the
app
already
had
the
pedestrian
connection
on
the
west
side
of
the
street
from
the
Franklin
Department.
So
so,
from
staffs
perspective,
the
planning
staffs
perspective
were
comfortable
with
their
proposal
in
order
to
provide
the
protection.
That's
of
the
existing
landscaping
to
the
apartments
from
the
existing
parking
area
and
the
parking
area
that
will
get
used.
H
H
They've
gotten
all
of
these
recommendations:
I'll
go
over
them
if
you
want
them
to
comply
with
all
administrative
comments
of
the
permit
and
Development
Center.
We
wanted
to
amend
to
include
the
submitted
building
floor
plan
information
that
Mike
mentioned
that
was
shown
and
incorporate
that
into
the
plan.
If
you
want
provision
of
light
pole
and
fixture
detail
on
the
development
plan
that
it
illustrates
compliance
with
the
standards
of
the
PUD,
so
the
time
is
now
to
make
those
adjustments
with
the
utility
poles
compliance
with
photometric
standards.
H
We
want
to
make
sure
that
any
utility
meters,
transformers
and
ground
mounted
equipment
and
utilities
are
identified
and
then
also
placed
in
a
location
along
the
rear,
facades
or
facades
internal
to
the
site
again
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
planning
administrator
again,
the
intention
there
is
to
make
sure
where
they
decide
to
locate
those
things.
It's
not
visible
from
the
street
views.
H
We
do
want
to
see
a
final
landscaping
plan
for
this
project.
Up
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
planning
administrator,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
more
dense
plantings
along
49th
Street,
given
the
proximity
of
those
parking
areas
again
to
the
residential
dwellings
to
the
west.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
final
finalized,
sidewalk
and
pedestrian
routes
are
reviewed
by
the
planning
administrator
again
to
ensure
adequate
site
circulation
for
people
using
the
site
to
get
to
the
adjoining
public
sidewalk
network.
H
Any
freestanding
trash
enclosure
shall
be
enclosed
with
masonry
walls
and
solid
steel
gates,
and
then
the
loading
dock
and
trash
enclosures
along
the
South
facade
in
this
area
shall
be
constructed
with
solid
metal,
paneling
and
gates
that
are
architectural
II
compatible
with
the
development
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
planning
administrators.
So
those
are
the
main
things,
and
basically
most
of
these
conditions
are
asking
for
the
some
of
the
detail
that
that
so
we
can
make
those
determinations
that
they
do
comply
with
review
yeah.
H
Haven't
been
given
any
been
presented
with
any
issues,
I've
been
asked
as
their
concerns
that
have
been
brought
to
us
that
they
need
to
respond
to
like
from
neighbors,
and
that
hasn't
necessarily
occurred.
The
only
real
issue,
I
think
that's
been
of
discussion,
since
this
staff
review
has
been
made,
is
getting
the
information
on
the
usages
within
the
building
to
make
sure
they're
in
alignment
and
then
the
sidewalk
considerations.
So.
H
B
P
I
B
H
So
the
in
general
on
large
sites
it
throughout
the
city,
the
site
plan
regulations
seek
to
have
utility
utilities
placed
under
ground
when
they're,
providing
new
services
or
when
they're
making
enough
of
an
investment
to
upgrade
the
building.
So
the
demonstration
there,
if
you
look
in
the
criteria
for
the
site
plan
regulations,
is
that
the
developers
shall
do
that
to
the
extent
feasible.
So
if
it's
not
feasible,
if
it's
up
to
them
to
demonstrate
the
feasibility
so
that
the
Commission
can
make
a
decision
that
goes
beyond
that,
they
would
appeal
that
to
the
City
Council.
H
G
H
G
H
Six
that
Brett
mentioned
is
about
the
placement
of
those
many
meters
equipment
and
transformers
and
things
in
a
location
where
they're
not
visible
from
the
street,
so
that
would
probably
typically
be
like
a
transformer
for
an
underground
placement
of
a
service
or
the
metering,
if
they're
metering,
different
tenants
or
something
around
the
building,
making
sure
that
that's
in
a
discreet
location.
So
I'm
not
sure
this
is
really
about
the
the
lines
themselves.
But
so.
H
P
Okay,
we
are
an
agreement
to
screening
any
utilities
that
we
would
add
above
grade.
There
are
overhead
lines
around
the
project.
Our
understanding
and
request
from
the
city
is
that
the
overhead
lines
would
not
be
required
to
be
buried
in
the
public
right
away.
However,
any
secondary
lines
from
power
poles
to
the
building
would
be
buried
and
we're
in
agreement
with
that.
G
A
A
B
A
Like
it's,
why
we're
waiting?
We
can
there's
one
item
for
staff,
I
mean
for
Commission
tonight,
and
that
is
to
be
thinking
of
who
wants
to
be
on
the
Nominating
Committee
for
offices
for
next
year.
I
do
believe
the
years
on
these
are
closed.
So,
if
you're
interested
in
being
on
the
Nominating
Committee
in
or
newly
want
to
be
be
thinking
of
that-
and
we
will
point
those
next
meeting
right.
D
H
H
What
one
thing
you
should
know
that
yesterday,
the
so
many
more
of
adjustment
approved
relief
for
the
number
of
feeling
locations
to
increase
that
by
two
you
see
generally
caps
at
at
six
fueling
locations,
they're
proposing
eight.
They
were
granted
two.
They
were
also
granted
a
conditional
use
permit
for
the
sale
of
alcoholic
liquor
at
this
location
and,
along
with
that,
a
separation
from
the
Trinity
Church
to
the
northwest.
So
so
there
was
there
was
that
objection
to
that,
but
the
board
grandpa
variance
to
that
separation
as
well.
H
Yeah
they've
they've
generally
looked
at
this
in
the
under
the
lens
of
our
approved
ordinance.
That's
going
to
go
into
effect,
in
addition
to
kind
of
the
current
design
guidelines
for
convenience
stores,
little
that
are
laid
out
in
the
staff
report,
but
they've
gone
with
the
recommendation
to
put
the
building
at
the
street
corner
and
have
access
to
university
to
the
store,
as
well
as
in
turn
into
the
site
towards
the
pumps
they're,
providing.
H
The
strong
buffer
on
the
south,
the
residential
that
would
be
to
the
south
they're,
pushing
driveways
away
from
the
corner,
which
is
going
to
improve
that
location
as
well
significantly
landscaping
the
site,
as
you
can
see,
but
also
addressing
the
pedestrian
elements.
One
of
the
things
you'll
see
in
this
was
the
they
did
not
propose
brick
wrapped
columns,
which
was
unusual
because
on
most
of
their
previous
stores,
that
the
cities
reviewed
they've
done
that
they're
in
agreement
with
that.
That
was
not
with
what
they
presented
their
submitted.
But
staff
is
recommending
that
they.
H
H
T
You
mean
Keith's
wagon,
with
CDA
3405
southeast
crossroads,
drive
Grimes
here
tonight
on
behalf
of
come-and-go
and
also
with
Dan
Garneau
of
come-and-go.
Just
to
reiterate
what
Eric
said
we
are
in
agreement
with
staff
recommendations
and
the
conditions
I
suggested
in
staff
report
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
they
might
have
any.
A
S
A
E
S
Father
owns
that
resident
right
there
and
we
we
would
had
no
idea
about
this
until
recently,
so
we
expressed
a
lot
of
concerns,
which
is
why
we
came
to
the
public
hearing
and
many
of
the
concerns
we
have
are
gonna,
be
about
the
privacy
safety
and
about
a
lot
of
it's
gonna,
be
about
the
lighting
and
the
demolition
of
the
unit.
Next
to
us
as
well.
S
We
have
a
camera
around
the
house
and
we
notice
a
lot
of
people
from
come
and
go
across
our
yard
and
to
get
to
our
all
around
it
and
that's
one
of
the
concerns
we
had
and
it
being
right
next
to
us
versus
the
buffer
of
the
big
apartment.
It's
gonna,
it's
a
very
concerning
to
us
in
that
aspect
and
I'm.
R
My
name
is
Allah.
We
have
beep
I'm
his
older
brother
and
I
got
the
rest
of
my
brothers.
There
I'm,
like
that
sitting
there
and
we
lived
out
on
this
area
for
the
past
over
20
years
and
we
loved
the
area
and
mother
loves
this
house
where
we
live
right
now,
and
you
see
this
house
if
you
come
from
here,
there's
a
lot
of
like
a
Lutheran
service
around
this
area.
So
there's
already
access.
R
You
can
there's
people
go
through
here
and
they
come
from
this
front
here,
there's
already
a
lot
of
traffic
going
across
this
we
have
been
put
at
a
profit,
private
property
like
no
trespassing
and
we
put
cameras
and
everything
and
recently
were
like
we
got
robbed
a
couple
times.
You
know
I
think
I
got
this
resource,
so
it's
gonna
just
be
like
I
used
to
be
a
track.
C
driver
like
I
work
overnight
and
I,
see
what's
going
on
around
this
area.
G
D
S
Area
right
there,
and
even
as
a
like
a
if
you're
just
going
to
get
gas
yourself,
it's
a
little
like
kind
of
creepy
to
be
around
there,
just
because
there's
so
many
people
around
you
and
just
hang
in
there,
and
it
looks
like
very
it-
looks
like
a
dangerous
area
to
be
around
in
general
and
having
that
like
right
next
to
our
house,
it's
gonna,
be
it
opens
up
without
possibility
of
a
lot
of
things
and
which
is
why
we
are
very
concerned
to
it.
With
this
dude.
S
Right
now,
so
there's
a
between
the
come
and
go
in
the
apartment.
There's
like
an
elevated
surface
and
there's
a
we
call
it
a
blockage
because
it's
the
back
of
the
building,
but
if
the
building
was
facing
are
that
direction.
I
believe
that
it
would
open
up
the
possibility
of
people
getting
out
of
there
and
coming
closer
to
our
location.
There.
S
And
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
the
vehicles
are
going
to
be
walking
through
writing
it
being
right.
Next
to
that,
it's
gonna
be
very
loud,
and
since
it's
24/7,
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
lighting
coming
from
the
vehicle,
a
lot
of
revving
from
the
vehicles
and
currently
already
we
can
already
hear
a
little
bit
of
it
from
and
we're
from
apartment
down
from.
Q
S
R
S
Yeah
and
that's
also
the
reason
why
we
would
rather
stay
at
our
own
home
right
now,
just
because
we
have
accommodated
a
lot
of
the
house
towards
my
mom.
She
had
multiple
strokes,
three
strokes
right
now
and
so
she's
has
it
hard
to
navigate
around
the
house,
and
we
have
accommodated
a
lot
of
things
like
made
a
bigger
bathroom
for
her
and
everything
is
and
did
a
lot
of
disability
things
for
her.
So
we
can
accommodate
her.
So
we
have
very
hard
to
move
from
this
house
right
here.
A
T
Believe
the
the
property
that
these
gentlemen
are
talking
about
theirs
their
properties,
this
one
here,
our
southern
property
line-
is
this
line
right
here
as
it
that
the
post
site
would
be
from
University
down
to
this
property
on
the
existing
apartment.
Building
sits
here,
which
is
basically
right
on
the
property
line
and
then,
as
you
can
see,
parking
is
immediately
up
to
the
parking
or
to
the
property
line
to
the
west.
T
So,
as
Eric
had
mentioned
earlier
as
part
of
the
site
design
for
this
project,
we've
been
working
with
staff
over
the
course
the
last
year
and
a
half
or
two
years
to
anticipate
other
site
might
layout,
and
one
of
the
first
things
we
talked
about
and
agreed
upon
was
pushing
that
building
up
to
the
intersection.
So
from
an
infrastructure
perspective,
the
building
is
significantly
further
away
from
where
it
exists
today.
T
In
addition,
we
aren't
proposing
any
parking
down
here
along
the
South
property
line
that
would
have,
but
up
to
them
we
have
18
feet
between
the
southern
property
line
of
our
site
to
the
southern
edge
of
the
access
Drive,
and
then
the
parking
that
we
are
proposing
is
all
basically
more
toward
University,
so
there's
no
parking
along
this
end.
It's
simply
access
in
and
out
and
then
add
in
addition
to
that,
within
the
18
feet,
we
are
proposing
fairly
intense
landscape
buffer,
in
addition
to
a
screen
fence.
Could.
I
J
T
T
K
Talk
about
what
you
just
brought
up,
if
I'm
reading
the
grading
plan
right
that
edge
of
paving
this
18
feet
away,
it
looks
like
it's
4
feet
lower
than
the
beginning
of
their
property,
am
I.
Reading
this
correctly
I
think
so.
I'm
gonna
pull
it
up
just
to
confirm
so
I'm
understanding
it
right
all
right.
Okay,.
M
K
N
T
That's
exactly
correct
and
the
entrances
where
it
is
as
a
result
of
the
placement
of
the
building
and
also
to
get
that
at
the
vehicles
University,
if
you
think
about
where
right
intersection,
and
so
the
intercept
University
being
here.
This
is
the
existing
access
today
and
we're
pushing
it
quite
a
bit
further
away.
I.
K
Was
trying
to
understand
and
help
me
confirm,
there's
a
lot
Lighting's
a
huge
issue
right
because
I
know
all
these
stations
need
really
good
lighting
to
keep
people
keep
an
eye
on
people,
and
so
I
think
I
see
maybe
point
out
for
everyone.
I
think
I
see
four
light.
Poles
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
far
away
or
how
close
the
light
poles
are
to
their
property
and
then
also
maybe
explain
how
the
canopy
lights
just
give
us
an
understanding
of
lighting
sure
so.
T
This
is
an
area
like
you're,
a
light
on
pole
as
well
as
this
light
here
and
here.
So
these
lights
are
cut
off
type
fixtures,
so
they're
going
to
project,
for
example.
This
light
pole
here
will
project
toward
the
building,
so
behind
the
pole
itself
would
be
fairly
dark.
So
it's
cutting
off
at
the
pole
and
shining
forward
so
that
light
won't
come
back.
This.
T
We're
gonna
be
like
60
feet
or
so
away
from
the
property
line
there
and
that's
quite
a
distance
for
parking
lot.
Lighting
canopy
lighting
really
is
meant
simply
to
light
just
directly
underneath
the
canopy,
so
those
are
soffit
style
fixtures
that
are
up
inside
the
bottom
side
of
the
canopy
itself.
They're,
not
projecting
they're,
not
on
poles,
they're,
literally
underneath
the
bottom
surface
of
the
canopy
and
they're
just
lighting
that
direct
area
right
underneath
the
canopy
where
the
vehicles
will
be
feeling
Eric.
G
H
The
requirement
is
that
at
the
residential
property
lines,
the
the
lights
build,
that
measured
at
the
property
line
has
to
meet
the
half
a
foot,
candle
or
less
and
then
from
Street
property
lines.
It's
2
foot
candles
so
and
then
all
the
fixtures,
the
canopy
pictures
have
to
be
flush
mounted
and
then
so
they
they
provide
us
a
swell
photometric
plan
that
basically
shows
that
foot
candle
modeling
based
on
the
fixtures
that
they're
providing
throughout
the
entire
property.
H
N
S
Yes,
so
so
far,
we're
talking
and
another
concern
we
have
is
the
the
fact
that
this
is
this
still
wouldn't
interested
and
concerned
that
a
lot
of
people
are
gonna,
get
through
our
property
to
get
to
come
and
go
from
these
residents
over
here
that
still
doesn't
open
up
that
that
still
doesn't
solve
that
problem
right
there
and
another
problem.
A
question
we
had
is:
how
are
they
going
to
contain
the
demolition
of
that
huge
apartment,
building
from
our
property
and
during
the
construction?
S
K
S
J
S
D
J
S
S
H
B
S
M
S
T
I
guess
to
keep
wagon
with
CDA
to
address
the
concern
about
people
coming
through
their
property.
The
fence
that
is
being
proposed
is
limited
to
the
South
property
line,
not
along
the
west
side,
so
that
condition
that
he's
referring
to
people
cutting
through
the
apartments
from
the
west
side
remains
unchanged.
That'll
be
open.
There's
no
fence
proposed
there,
so
I
don't
see
that
as
changing
and
being
any
different.
To
be
honest,
this.
T
T
B
T
T
D
T
Think
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
not
creating
we're,
not
changing
the
any
circumstances
where
people
would
travel
through
there
now
I
think
one
thing
that
we
had
heard
when
we
were
initially
working
on
this
and
coming
up
with
a
concept
was
maybe
because
of
some
of
the
conditions
of
the
site.
There
were
some
nooks
and
crannies
where
some
unwanted
things
were
happening,
and
you
know
if
anything,
this
is
really
opening
up
that
site
where
those
nooks
and
crannies,
where
people
can
hide
and
do
whatever
it
is,
they
do
or
come
through
there.
T
A
M
As
I
read,
it
Eric
the
the
great
part
of
the
canopy,
the
roof
itself
is
17
feet
and
six
inches,
but
with
this
additional
piece
that
connects
the
two,
it
comes
up
to
21
feet
as
I
remember,
we
have
a
dimension
of
18
feet,
which
is
a
standard
canopy
heids
so
and
I.
Just.
Let
me
finish
what
I'd
like
to
say.
M
You
know
pretty
good-sized
in
terms
of
height
and
my
and
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
here,
but
this
gray,
roof
or
structure
that
has
been
introduced
to
the
design
might
or
might
not
have
been
a
way
to
break
up
the
horizontal
feel
of
of
the
canopy
and
the
design
itself.
I
think
is
quite
attractive
in
terms
of
the
way
it
looks
on
paper.
But
my
point
is
that
21
feet,
you
know
when
we
do
this,
there's
gonna
be
a
precedent.
M
H
H
Thing
was,
as
the
center
part
was
yeah
we
would.
We
would
be
raising
that
issue,
but
we're
actually
want
to
encourage
the
articulation
of
the
design.
So
this
this
piece
is
actually
an
improvement
that
we
we
suggest
that
they
do
because,
like
you
said
the
length
or
the
expanse
of
the
length
has
to
be
mitigated
as
well.
H
So
that's
one
of
the
the
methods
to
do
that,
but
if
that
entire
thing
was
as
high
as
this
middle
part,
yeah
I
think
we
would
I
would
agree
with
you,
but
in
this
case
they're
actually
I
think
below
it
at
17
they're
under
the
18
for
the
the
base
of
the
main
part
of
the
canopy.
So
it's
just
that
piece
that
they
love
and
so
there's
other
ways
to
articulate
when
there's
difference
in
grade
where
they
would
just
step
it
down,
and
then
they
wouldn't
need
that
Center
punished
to
make
it
kind
of
different.
H
But
that's
actually
something
we
encourage
through
the
design
guidelines
as
well,
so
there
they
might
be
working
at
each
other
a
little
bit.
I
think
the
other
concern
we
would
have
is
if
the
fascia
was
more
than
three
feet
when
it
starts
to
get
too
tall
from
bottom
to
top
of
the
fascia
of
the
canopy
itself,
but
they
have
a
very
low
profile
fascia,
which
is
actually
encouraged
as
well.
So
in
this
case,
I
think
they've
actually
done
what
we've
intended.
Let.
H
H
M
Right
I'm
glad
to
hear,
but
I
meant
robust
I
meant
that
the
staff
was
really
holding
true
to
the
standard
willing
to
come
up
with
a
solution
that
was
better
designed,
but
my
point
is
really
to
hold
true
to
that,
because
I
think
the
canopy
creep
is
a
you
know:
it's
something
that's
the
developer
wants
and
it
ends
up
being
an
advertisement
that
is
detracting
I
think
sometimes
to
the
surroundings.
Well,.
H
One
of
the
other
things
that
encourages
it
to
stay
low
is
our
lighting
requirements.
If
they,
if
they
raise
it
up
too
high,
it's
it's
tougher
for
them
to
meet
those
flipped
candle
measurements.
That
means
they
have
to
have
more
fixtures
directed
down.
So
when
they
the
higher
they
raise
the
canopy
the
harder
it
is
to
meet
the
light
lighting
limitations,
so
I
think
again,
I
appreciated
that
they
went
with
a
narrow
profile
on
the
fascia.
In
this
case,
I,
don't
know
how
much
you
compared
and
contrasted
this.
A
I
Jen
well,
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment
that
thank
you
for
raising
your
concerns.
You
know
I
heard
them
I
think
others
did
too
I
hope
that,
but
after
hearing
this
piece
you
know
I
feel
like
the
applicant
has
kind
of
satisfied
and
addressed
some
of
your
concerns.
I
hope
you
feel
that
way
too,
because
they've
been
very
I,
think
cooperativity
I
think
the
new
situation
seems
better
than
the
current
situation
and
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
I
think
it's
great,
that
you
came
and
expressed
your
concern
so.