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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, August 1, 2019.
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A
Please
notify
the
city
staff
at
least
three
business
days
in
advance
at
two
eight
three,
four,
two:
zero
nine
should
special
accommodations,
be
required
plan
and
Zoning
Commission
meetings
are
broadcast
on
media
cable,
channel
7
for
customers
with
that
service
transportation
to
and
from
City
of
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
can
be
scheduled
from
Dart
central
station,
located
at
620
Cherry
Street
to
reserve
your
route.
Please
call
dart
on-call
scheduling
at
two
eight
three,
eight
one,
three
six
calls
for
trips
will
be
accepted
up
until
5:00
p.m.
of
the
day.
A
Prior
to
the
meeting,
please
be
sure
to
mention
in
your
request
that
you
require
transportation
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
at
this
location.
This
notice
is
intended
to
comply
with
accessibility
requirements
of
the
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act.
All
right
a
quorum
is
established.
Do
we
have
a
look
at
this
side
of
the
realm
tonight?
Do
we
have
action
on
our
minutes
from
our
July
4
18th?
We
nee.
A
And
any
nay
boats
say
nine
minutes
our
crews.
The
consent
agenda
tonight
is
as
follows:
a
request
from
prisons
and
properties
located
at
6:10
16th,
Street
613
and
619
High
Street
for
determination,
whether
to
rezone
property
from
C
to
general,
retail
or
highway
oriented
commercial
district
to
MPC
to
allow
development
of
six
single-family
dwellings.
A
This,
so
is
the
applicant
present
tonight,
and
is
this
your
expectation
that
the
staff
recommendation
you
agree
with?
Thank
you
is
there
what
anyone
in
the
audience
that
wished
to
hear
this
item
tonight,
seeing
that
is
there?
Anyone
on
the
commission
that
wishes
to
pull
this
item
from
creasing
all
right,
seeing
that
is
their
motion.
I
move.
A
A
Are
any
of
these
individual
applicants
here
tonight
and
is
that
your
wish
of
this
item
August
15
all
right?
Thank
you!
Is
there
anybody
in
the
audience
that
wished
to
hear
this
item
tonight,
all
right,
seeing
that
is
there?
Anyone
on
the
commission
that
we
see
here
this
item
tonight,
all
right,
then
action
on
deferring
this
item
to
August
15th.
A
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
coming
similarly
item
number
four,
which
is
request
from
Sears
properties
for
review
and
approval
of
a
site
plan,
lecture
and
limousine
and
coach
bus
under
design
guidelines
for
property
located
at
1601,
East,
Army,
Post
Road
to
allow
for
development
of
2,800
square
foot
building
and
a
twenty-seven
thousand
square
foot
building
to
be
used
for
garage
vehicles
that
similarly,
this
applicant
wishes
to
continue.
This
item
is
that
correct.
E
A
A
E
Madam
chair
and
members
of
the
Commission
Michael
Ludwig
planning
administrator
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
this
evening,
is
the
second
public
hearing
or
continuation
of
the
public
hearing
regarding
the
new
zoning
ordinance
for
the
code
as
a
reminder
for
people
who
may
not
have
been
here
for
the
first
hearing.
This
is
the
first
comprehensive
rewrite
of
our
city's
zoning
ordinance
in
54
years.
So
this
is
a
pretty
monumental
evening
where
we
are
asking
the
Commission
to
take
action
on
the
proposal
that
is
in
front
of
you.
E
At
the
last
meeting.
There
were
a
lot
of
comments
that
were
received
regarding
I
would
say
primarily
regarding
the
single-family
residential
provisions
that
were
in
the
code
and
so
last
Friday
when
we
sent
out
a
list
of
substantive
and
minor
revisions
to
the
proposed
draft,
which
you
all
receive
and
were
posted
on
the
city's
website.
The
plan
dsm
website.
E
We
then
had
noted
that
there
would
be
some
additional
revisions
that
were
proposed,
which
were
sent
out
today
to
you,
and
so
I
can
go
through
each
of
the
substantive
revisions
with
you.
If
you
would
like
or
I,
can
primarily
focus
on
the
revisions
that
were
sent
out
today,
at
least
because
I
think
those
were
the
ones
that
were
sent
out
today,
probably
addressed
the
majority
of
the
comments
or
made
I.
Think
it's
a
last
meeting,
but
we're
happy
to
go
through
all
those
I
can
show
maps
of
each
of
the
comprehensive
plan
amendments.
E
There
are
23
of
those
comprehensive
plan
amendments
and
those
are
simply
to
make
certain
that
the
comprehensive
map
and
the
zone
proposed
zoning
map
are
consistent
with
each
other,
which
is
required
by
state
code.
So
those
were
the
23
revisions
that
we
had
come
up
with
where
there
were
conflicts.
Currently
that
need
to
be
corrected
on
the
plan,
dsm
land-use
map
and
then
finally,
we
also
sent
out
revisions
to
chapter
82
today,
and
it
was
like
25
pages
long.
E
But
if
you
looked
at
it,
24
of
those
pages
were
strikeout
texts
deleting
all
of
chapter
82
existing
chapter
82
from
the
code,
because
it
has
been
replaced
with
the
proposed
new
chapter
135,
which
you've
already
received
and
is
in
the
code
the
site
plan
design
guidelines.
So
with
that,
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
is
just
quickly
jump
into
the
substantive
revisions
that
were
sent
out
today
and
those
were
highlighted
in
yellow
and
green
on.
E
The
document
which
was
sent
out
and
posted
today
on
the
website,
and
the
first
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
was
in
the
graph
you
see
or
in
the
document
received
on
Friday.
One
of
the
changes
that
was
made
to
try
and
address
concerns
we
heard
last
time
was
regarding
the
basement
requirement
and
previously
are
in
the
current
drafted.
It
said
that
a
basement
was
required
for
all
single-family
dwellings
and
that
could
only
be
waived
as
a
type
one
design
alternative.
E
If
there
was
water
table
issues
or
sewer
access
issues
for
the
grade
level
of
that
basement,
staff
could
waive
it
in
that
situation,
and
then
it
said
that
anything
else
was
a
type
2
review.
Based
on
the
comments
and
based
on
the
direction
from
the
plan
DSM
steering
committee,
we
have
stricken
the
requirement
for
basements,
so
basements
are
no
longer
required
for
single-family
detached
residential
house
types,
a
B,
C
or
D,
then
that
getting
to
the
changes
that
were
sent
today.
We
this
we
have
prepared
text
that
addresses
the
plan.
E
By
house
type,
the
direction
was
in
general
and
tyler
if
you
could
flip
to
the
overhead
around
surgical
industry.
So
in
general
the
discussion
of
the
steering
committee
was
that
basically,
as
your
o'clock
last
meeting,
we
talked
about
how
there
was
a
for
a
one-story
home.
The
code
said
there
was
a
1400
square
foot
minimum
for
a
one
and
a
half
story
home.
There
was
a
sixteen
hundred
square
foot
minimum
and
for
a
two-story
home
there
was
an
eighteen
hundred
square
foot
minimum,
and
that
was
a
flat
standard
across
the
city.
E
There
was
an
opportunity,
through
the
design,
alternatives
to
seek
a
30%
reduction
in
that
square
footage
through
a
type
1
design
alternative
from
staff
that
was
available
across
the
city.
What
we'd
said
was
in
infill
areas
there
would
be
greater
flexibility
on
the
greenfield
areas
or
the
periphery
there'd
be
less
flexibility.
E
There
was
concern
that
that
did
not
give
enough
by
right
reduction
in
square
footage
and
it
really
wasn't
defining
what
was
an
infill
area
and
what
was
a
greenfield
area
by
zoning
districts.
And
so
what
is
in
front
of
you
tonight
is
is
our
best
attempt
to
provide
text
that
does
just
that
at
the
direction
of
the
plan,
dsm
string
committee.
E
So
if
you
look
at
the
zoning
map,
the
yellow
areas
and
kind
of
those
dark
orange
areas
that
are
kind
of
out
on
the
periphery
of
the
map,
those
are
generally
in
1a
and
1a,
and
1b
and
n2
zoning
districts
in
the
city
of
des
moines,
those
yellow
areas
and
then
the
remaining
districts
that
where
residential
single-family
housing
is
a
permitted
use,
or
mainly
the
green
and
dark
green
areas
on
the
map
that
are
at
this
more
at
the
center
of
the
map
on
the
interior
neighborhood.
So
Beaverdale
Drake
Riverbend
those
types
areas.
E
So
what
we've
said
is
those
are
where
there's
typically
smaller
Lots
today
and
where
there
are
typically
smaller
houses.
Today
out
on
the
periphery,
those
yellow
orange
areas
are
more
existing
or
planned
for
larger
Lots
and
and
larger
support,
footages,
so
house
type
a
is
primarily
allowed
in
the
yellow
in
those
dark
orange
areas.
So
the
change
that
has
been
made
to
the
house
type
a
is
that
again
we
used
to
require
a
basement.
E
So
if
you
look
at
the
provision
for
a
single-story
home
with
a
basement,
there's
a
bi
right
reduction
of
a
hundred
square
feet
less
than
the
previous
standard.
So
now
it's
1,300
square
feet.
If
there's
a
basement
provided
full
basement,
provided
they
can
have
a
1,300
square
foot
instead
of
1,400
square
foot.
If
there's
no
basement
it
still
is
the
1400
square
foot
standard
for
a
one-story
home
for
a
one
and
a
half
story
home
again:
there's
a
hundred
square
foot
reduction.
E
If
there's
a
bit
included,
if
there's
not
a
basement,
it
stays
at
the
1600
square
flavor
and
for
the
two-story.
If
there's
a
basement,
they
get
a
hundred
square
foot
reduction
by
right
down
to
1700.
If
no
basement
they
stay
at
the
1,800
square
foot
for
that
house
type,
then
we've
proposed
that
there
be
a
15%
type.
One
design
alternative
available
under
the
code
that
could
be
could
lessen
the
square
footage
in
those
in
those
outlining
yellow
areas.
E
Again,
that's
a
staff
review.
It
is
a
reduction
from
where
we
were
at
with
a
30%,
but
since
we've
already
recommended
it
by
right
provision,
we've
kind
of
split
the
previous
relief
into
a
portion,
that's
by
right
and
a
portion.
That's
that's
a
type
1
design
all
through.
They
can
still
see
the
type
to
design
alternative
to
go
more
than
15%
relief
to
those
two,
those
square
footages
in
those
areas.
The
remainder
of
the
changes
are
the
same,
are
different
from
house
type
a
but
are
the
same.
E
For
the
remaining
three
house
types
b,
c
and
d
are
house
types
that
are
generally
allowed
in
those
green
areas
that
are
on
the
map,
and
so
in
those
areas.
Previously
a
1400
square
foot
home
with
a
basement
was
what
was
proposed
in
the
code
now
for
a
single-story
home
that
drops
to
eleven
hundred
and
fifty
square
feet.
E
If
a
basement
is
provided,
no
basement
is
provided
that
single-story
home
would
be
1250
square
feet,
so
it'd
be
150
square
feet,
reduction
from
the
previous
1400
standard
for
one
and
a
half
story,
glowing
which
was
at
1600
square
feet
previously.
If
it
has
a
basement,
it
can
be
1300
if
no
basement
it
has
to
be
1400
and
for
the
two-story
dwelling
you
know
it
used
to
be
1800
across
the
board
for
a
two-story
blowing
with
the
basement.
They
can
go
down
to
1400
square
feet
if.
F
E
E
Those
house
types
would
be
eligible
for
a
15%
up
to
a
15%
reduction
through
through
a
type
one
design
alternative
and
if
they
wanted
a
greater
reduction
than
that,
they
would
be
subject
to
a
type
2
design
alternative.
So
that
was
the
direction
from
the
plan
DSM
steering
committee
to
try
and
address
those
concerns.
I
did
today
do
our
permitting
Development
Center
did
pull
roughly
68
recent
single-family
plans
that
have
been
approved
either
through
stock
plan
reviews
or
through
building
permits,
and
those
were
68
plans
by
seven
different
single-family
housing
developers.
E
E
Another
10
or
almost
15%
of
the
total
would
comply
with
a
design
type
1
design
alternate.
So,
between
type
1
design,
alternative
and
buy
right,
you
know
we're
at
almost
86
percent
of
the
homes
that
the
the
plans
that
we
reviewed
would
comply
with
the
with
the
new
code
and
then
finally
9
out
of
the
68
homes.
That
we
called
would
require
a
type
2
review
and
that's
about
13
percent.
E
So
we
think
that
the
revisions
have
done
what
they
were
intended
to
do,
which
was
create
more
by
right
ability
to
to
build
the
homes
without
getting
a
type.
1
relief
and
I
think
that,
as
we've
talked
about
just
with,
for
example,
on
the
design
guideline
are
the
design
standards
that
are
in
chat
article
4
of
chapter
135.
E
You
know,
that's
a
that's
a
minimum
bar
for
design
and
we
know
there
are
some
projects
that
have
been
really
creative
and
it's
really
hard
to
write
a
code
that
addresses
the
really
creative
projects,
but
also
regulates
the
remainder
of
the
projects.
So
the
Kraus
Center,
for
example,
has
been
brought
up,
wouldn't
comply,
probably
with
our
design
standards,
as
I've
said.
I
have
no
doubt
that
the
Kraus
center
would
get
approved
through
a
type
2
review.
E
In
this
code,
100
times
out
of
100,
but
the
thing
is
we
have
to
design
a
code
that
that
is
trying
to
address
kind
of
the
middle
or
the
middle
of
the
bell
curve.
If
you
want
to
think
of
it
that
way
and
I
think
that
the
the
proposed
standards,
the
revised
standards
for
the
square
footages,
are
doing
that
86
percent
after
the
ones
that
were
sampled
would
fall
within
a.
E
We
had
to
do
it
by
house
type,
because
if
we
just
did
it
by
zoning
district
alone,
that
would
make
the
relief
to
the
square
footage
a
zoning
Board
of
Adjustment
decision
versus
a
staff
or
plan
and
Zoning
Commission
decision.
And,
as
you
recall,
this
code
is
designed
to
move
a
lot
of
those
design
related
matters
into
either
administrative
review
or
plan
and
Zoning
Commission,
rather
than
Board
of
Adjustment
review.
E
So
we've
been
consistent
in
how
we've
approached
that,
so
that
was
the
square
footage
changes
for
single-family
residential
also
noted
in
yellow,
were
just
what
I
was
talking
about.
The
changes
to
the
type
1
and
the
type
to
design
alternates
to
allow
for
that
15%
variation
or
greater
than
15%
variation.
E
Additionally,
we
did
have
two
additional
stakeholder
meetings
this
week,
where
groups
came
in
and
met
with
staff
about
concerns.
One
was
the
zoning
in
the
area
of
River
Bend
and
there
was
a
change
proposed
on
the
east
side
of
East
sixth
Avenue
and
basically
the
proposal
was
to
extend
the
m1
mx1
zoning
that
two
more
parcels
along
the
corridor,
and
so
this
is
6th
Avenue.
It
was
extended
to
include
to
the
north
up,
to
Jefferson
and
to
the
south
down
to
I
forget
the
address
of
the
property.
This
is
the
remaining
vacant
property.
G
E
It's
a
ten-year
max
and
they
need
to
comply
with
the
schedule
that
they
submit
orman
that
and
come
back
in.
So
the
example
that
we
had
were
that
is,
it's
happened
in
Des
Moines
was
they
came
in
with
a
site
plan
for
the
second
and
grand
brownstones
in
about
2006
I,
believe
they
built
the
first
phase,
which
were
the
three-story
units
along
Grand,
Avenue
and
recession
2007-2008
hit.
They
did
not
build
any
more
units
on
the
northern
portion
of
property.
E
They
ended
up
coming
back
and
amending
that
site
plan
to
construct
the
two-story
units
that
are
north
of
that
which
was
approved
by
the
Commission.
But
under
this
scenario
they
could
have
done
a
phasing
plan,
possibly
for
that
and
could
have
could
have
extended
the
timeframe
on
that
that
two
years
so
the
language
that
was
provided
was
just
simply
provide
the
opportunity
for
phasing.
E
So
with
that
I
don't
know
if
you
had
questions
on
the
other
items
that
were
substantive
items
that
were
provided
to
you
last
Friday
I'll
be
happy
to
talk
about
any
of
those,
otherwise
I
think
we
can
turn
it
over
for
a
more
public
comment
and
then
we'll
have
a
rebuttal
and
you're
done.
So.
Thank
you
very
much
again.
Very
much
monumental
leave
me
and
we
are
asking
for
your
recommendation
to
see
me.
Thank
you
all.
A
Right
any
questions
from
Mike
before
we
go
to
public
hearing,
all
right,
sing
them
and
it's
the
case
of
you
are
with
us
at
our
last
meeting.
We
would
appreciate
if
you
are
interested
in
speaking,
to
sign
our
information
sheet,
which
is
up
here
front
and
I,
give
you
a
name
and
address
and
move
on
up
in
a
line
and
if
you'd
like
to.
H
Hi,
my
name
is
rocÃo
Nunez,
so
I'm,
one
of
the
homeowners
from
heritage
about
my
house
three
years
ago,
July
2016,
so
the
house.
Okay,
my
address
2501
Logan
Avenue.
In
the
morning
five
three
one
seven
I
buy
the
house
for
125
thousand.
So
three
years
later,
I'm
very
sure
is
now
160
I
had
my
garage
so
the
first
year
I
add
my
garage
without
electricity
in
drywall,
so
the
second
year
I
put
drywall
electricity
and
fans.
So
this
is
my
third
year
my
three
year
for
my
next
project
is
a
finished
basement.
H
So
I
have
four
kids
and
I
would
like
each
kid.
Have
a
bedroom.
So
probably
I
had
to
go
to
the
basement
because
the
kids
they
don't
want
to
go
there.
That's
fine
anyway,
so
I'm
actually
paying.
If
I
hang
on
there
a
little
bit
on
there,
they
550
with
a
scroll
so
before
I
feel
our
papers
for
habitat.
I
was
looking
for
a
house
in
a
regular
market.
H
So,
what's
kind
of
really
expensive
for
a
single
mom
with
four
kids
so
and
I
was
looking
for
different
options,
so
my
best
option
was
habitat
because
they
have
a
Hurley
and
a
payment.
You
know
it's
not
really
expensive
and
I
can
pay.
My
other
bills
blows.
The
house
so
and
I
always
want
my
own
house,
because
that's
security
for
the
kids,
that's
the
base
for
the
family.
For
me,
no
vacation,
no
new
car
I
mean
it's
nice
to
have
those
two.
F
H
That
so
my
social
worker,
he
helped
me
for
a
lot
of
papers
for
habita
and
it's
not
used
a
house.
They
have
classes.
You
know
how
say
your
money
wanking
it's
time
to
replace
the
roof.
How
can
you
fix
some
items
so
I
had
to
do
a
suite,
a
Curie
400
hours,
because
I
mean
I
want
a
new
construction
so,
and
that
was
good
because
before
I
never
work
in
construction,
so
that
was
my
first
time.
I
bring
families-
and
you
know
I
mean
friends,
sorry
and
so
I
can
learn
a
little.
H
We
have
weeks
stuff.
So
in
some
pay,
someone
and
speed
more
money
and
yeah
that
was
nice.
I
was
working
to
help
for
my
sweet,
a
Korean
in
the
store
that
what
they
have
but
I
like
more
construction,
because
I
can
no
more
so
and
I'm
doing
good
I'm
working
in
3e
a
long
time
ago
within
30
years
ago.
Something
like
that
and
they
are
very
flexible
with
me
and
so
I
was
when
I
was
doing
my
sweet.
H
G
I
I
Because
habitat
does
care
for
Des,
Moines
and
neighbors,
they
matter
to
us
a
thriving
Des
Moines
matters
to
our
seventeen
thousand
volunteers,
that'll
be
out
this
year.
It
matters
to
have
a
strong
Des,
Moines
and
quality
housing
matters
to
the
100-plus
churches
and
businesses
that
will
partner
with
Habitat
this
year,
lifting
up
neighborhoods
and
quality
home
matter
to
rocÃo.
It
matters
to
the
350,
Habitat
homeowners
and
matters
the
1200
Des
Moines
households,
habitat
has
helped
partner
with
home
owner
occupied
repairs
through
our
Rock.
The
block
program.
I
Habitat
is
here
for
the
cost
of
home,
because
a
home
shouldn't
cost
anywhere
near
half
your
paycheck.
This
zoning,
as
Brazil
proposed
and
amended,
will
raise
the
cost
of
home.
Habitat
is
here
to
bring
awareness
that
the
zoning
code
will
have
a
significant
impact
on
the
future
housing
affordability,
the
Capitol
crossroads,
workforce,
housing
study.
I
We
get
references,
increasing
housing
supply
by
50,000,
owner-occupied,
57,000,
owner-occupied
units,
a
half
under
175,000.
If
you
break
that
out
annually,
that's
twenty
eight
hundred
and
fifty
owner-occupied
units
per
year
across
the
metro
and
for
wide
there
was
last
year
there
was
1990
owner-occupied
units
created
and
based
on
last
year's
metro
numbers
des
moines
had
about
9%
of
those
the
owner-occupied
units
with
the
population.
Forty-Seven
percent
of
the
metro
area
des
moines
should
have
a
larger
share
and
getting
housing
right
and
doing
it.
Smart
will
be
a
tide
that
lifts
all
boats.
Doing
it.
I
Smart
means,
including
strategies
that
maintain
and
improve
the
existing
housing
stock.
Maintaining
and
proving
the
housing
stock
is
important,
but
it
does
not
increase
the
supply
doing
it.
Smart
means,
including
strategies
that
promote
affordability,
by
creating
certainty
and
reducing
barriers
for
a
new
supply
of
housing.
Try
to
do
this
with
a
more
restrictive
zoning
code
and
with
discretionary
approvals.
It
won't
be
a
tide.
It
will
be
a
tidal
wave,
that'll
swamp
many
boats,
particularly
des
moines
residents,
earning
less
than
ninety
thousand
per
year.
I
Even
if
the
city
is
not
interested
in
increasing
the
housing
supply
and
only
wants
to
maybe
do
the
share,
it's
been
doing
at
nine
percent
of
the
market
based
on
the
workforce
housing
report,
the
city
still
needs
to
increase
the
annual
supply
of
owner-occupied
units
by
fifty
percent,
an
important
strategy
to
increasing
housing
supplies,
to
increase
certainty
and
reduce
the
barriers
to
create
housing.
Quality
housing
should
not
be
defined
by
larger
square
footage
and
required
garages.
These
are
barriers
to
the
cost
of
home.
They
are
barriers
to
creating
housing
for
Habitat.
I
I
I
I
The
most
common
plan
that
we
build
across
the
city
is
a
one
and
a
half
story:
three-bedroom
one-bath
1,100
square
feet.
It
has
a
partial
basement,
no
garage.
If
we
understand
the
last-minute
amendments
correctly,
it
would
not
meet
the
type
1
exception.
Under
the
zoning
we
would
have
to
go
for
a
type
2
on
square
footage
and
a
type
2
for
no
garage.
I
In
our
ranch
plan,
a
single-story
house
on
there
it
is
a
two
or
three-bedroom
two-bath
and
based
on
the
zoning
it
would
be
above
grade,
is
840
square
feet
and
we
finished
the
basement.
So
the
finished
space
is
1,300
square
feet
on
there,
and
so
it
has
the
840
squeak
at
4-4
840
square
feet,
as
we
understand
the
last-minute
amendments
that
they
would
not
meet
a
type
one
exception,
and
so
it
would
be
a
type
two
coming
before
you
for
an
exception
on
square
footage
and
also
for
the
garage.
I
I
We
do
applaud
the
removal
of
the
basement
requirement.
We
are
trying
to
absorb
and
understand
the
these
last
minute
amendments.
We
respectfully
request
the
plans,
don't
allow
more
time
to
be
able
to
understand
these
and
be
able
to
move
the
decisions
to
a
future
time.
Habitat
from
Andy
also
respectfully
request
there'd,
be
a
reduction
of
square
footage
requirement
and
no
garage
requirement.
There
are
quality
houses
throughout
the
city
with
no
garages
and
also
want
to
correct
a
few
misinformation
that
has
been
shared
one.
The
appreciation
of
a
garage
versus
a
no
garage.
I
We've
looked
at
four
of
our
neighborhoods
that
were
most
active
on,
and
there
is
no
discernible
difference
and
the
appreciation
between
a
garage
and
a
no
garage,
some
neighborhoods,
it's
a
half
percent
for
a
garage,
another
neighborhood,
it's
one
percent
higher
for
the
houses
with
no
garage,
also
as
regular
had
been
talked
about
that.
The
reason
we
need
garages
is
for
the
complaints
against
coda
for
enforcement.
I
G
I
The
data
through
two
thousand
seventeen
and
eighteen-
it's
about
fifty
percent
rental
and
fifty
percent
owner
occupied.
When
you
look
at
the
complaints
they're
made
for
owner
occupied
housing,
sixty
four
point:
three
percent
of
those
have
garages.
There
are
ways
to
other
ways
to
be
able
to
have
people
store
their
outside
types
of
activities
and
things.
As
you
can
see.
I
In
the
watson
houses,
we
provide
a
shed
with
every
house,
there's
a
room
for
bikes,
there's
room
for
mowers,
there's
room
for
gas
cans
and
the
one
of
the
last
things
to
be
thinking
about
is
that
for
every
thousand
dollars
that
you
add
to
the
cost
of
home
you're
pricing
out
three
hundred
and
thirty
nine
Des
Moines
households
from
the
opportunity
to
own
their
own
home,
depending
on
how
these
amendments
are
whole
workout,
you're,
still,
pricing
out,
10,000
up
to
20,000
households
from
the
opportunity
to
purchase
a
home.
Let's
increase
the
certainty
and
unlock
affordability.
I
J
I
Last
time,
if
we
had
to
go
for
every
building
permit
that
we
would
essentially
have
to
be
higher
than
another
staff
person
and
then
the
uncertainty
that
comes
with
that.
So
when
we
looked
at
how
many
of
our
houses
that
we're
doing
that
come
before
planning
zoning
or
become
for
Board
of
Adjustment,
that
was
about
36%,
so
it
meant
over
the
last
five
years.
64%
of
our
homes
went
through
no
additional
process
to
be
and
I
would
go
through.
So
we
we
met
the
building
permit
requirements.
We
built
the
home.
I
K
L
K
Let
me
start
by
saying:
I've
worked
on
Habitat
homes
before
I
ran
for
office
a
few
years
ago,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
campaigned
on
was
finding
a
way
to
give
credits
to
developers
to
develop
infill
housing,
I
think
infill.
Housing
is
important,
and
what
I
would
say
is
that
there's
a
as
a
city,
we
need
to
recognize
the
difference
between
infill
housing
and
green
fill
housing.
Clearly,
I
live
in
the
Easter
Lake
area.
K
We
have
a
lot
of
greenfield
opportunities
out
there,
one
of
the
probably
one
of
only
two
in
the
city,
the
other
being
up
in
the
Brooks
run
area
in
the
northeast
part
of
Des
Moines
I
read
first
I
tried
to
follow
these.
This
stuff
I've
been
to
public
meetings.
Apparently
I
missed
one,
so
my
name
is
on
the
email
list.
I
apparently
didn't
get
an
email
that
there
was
another
meeting
going
on.
So
if
I'm,
a
little
behind
on,
what's
actually
occurred,
I
apologize.
K
K
To
building
we're
talking
about
an
infill
that
maybe
there's
not
room
for
a
garage,
maybe
there's
not
a
need
for
a
basement.
I
come
from
an
area
where
it's
slightly
different,
where
the
demand
is
for
a
three-car
garage
and
I
live
in
a
neighborhood
where
sheds
are
not
allowed
so
they're.
The
city's
look
at
this
that
there's
not
a
single
housing
type
of
stock
and
I.
Think
they've
tried
to
recognize
some
of
that,
but
I
think
some
of
the
people
who
are
opposing
some
of
the
more
lenient
measurements.
K
Let's
call
it
and
what
they're
saying
are
not
looking
at
the
city
as
a
whole
in
the
paper
this
morning
it
was,
it
was
stated
the
city's
trying
to
do
a
tax
grab.
Well,
maybe
they
haven't
noticed,
but
it
takes
taxes
to
run
a
city,
and
this
city
has
about
40%
of
its
property
that
we
can't
get
any
tax
out
of,
and
if
we
determine
that
we're
gonna
put
up
a
bunch
of
150
thousand
dollar
houses
over
every
empty
lot
in
the
city.
K
There
will
not
be
enough
money
at
the
current
tax
rates
to
run
this
city,
which
means
every
one
of
those
people
that
thinks
they're.
Stepping
into
a
$150,000
house
that
they
can
afford
will
quickly
find
out
that
their
taxes
are
not
what
they
can
afford
and
they'll
vacate
that
house
to
go
someplace
where
they
can.
So
it's
the
cost
of
the
house
is
not
the
single
most
important
thing.
There's
maintenance
of
the
house.
K
In
talking
in
committee,
my
concern
about
initially
when
there
was
a
30%
I
understand
some
of
the
restrictions.
Now
I
still
need
to
look
at
that
where
they've
reduced,
what
the
reductions
can
be.
That's
your
next
meeting,
there's
gonna
be
a
PVD
coming
out
of
my
neighborhood,
or
they
want
to
put
in
200
houses
and
a
single-family
houses
in
80
by
attached
houses.
So
my
concern
at
the
last
public
meeting
I
went
to,
which
is
I
thought.
K
The
last
public
meeting
was
around
what
happens
if
somebody
comes
in
and
wants
to
take
200
houses
in
an
area
that's
fairly
well
developed
with
housing
stock.
That's
got
a
pretty
good,
assessed
value
and
decides
they're
gonna
reduce
those
values
of
square
footage
by
that
30%
requiring
no
notification
to
the
neighborhood,
requiring
only
somebody
at
the
city
to
put
their
John
Henry
on
it
and
all
of
a
sudden.
K
We
have
a
whole
neighborhood
of
900
square
foot
houses
being
built
right
next
to
a
neighborhood
of
three-car
garages
and
18
to
2,000
square
foot
houses
in
an
area
that
can
support
that
I
mean
I
understand.
There
are
people
that
need
affordable,
housing
and
I'm
all
for
affordable
housing,
but
the
houses
that
are
going
up
in
Ankeny
in
West,
Des
Moines
and
on
the
golf
courses
down
by
Norwalk.
K
Those
people
have
money
and
they
could
put
that
money
in
a
house
down
by
Easter
Lake
Easter
Lake,
Park,
Ewing
Park,
some
of
the
best
park
space
in
this
entire
city.
A
hundred
and
seventy
acre
lake
that
you
can't
buy
a
house
anyplace
else
in
this
town
and
put
it
that
close
to
a
hundred
and
seventy
acre
lake,
and
once
we
fill
that
up
with
small
houses,
will
never
have
a
hundred
and
seventy
acre
lake
again
in
the
city
that
you
can
put
housing
around.
K
K
But
Des
Moines
cannot
be
the
affordable
housing
capital
of
this,
of
the
state
or
of
the
Metro
I
mean
there
needs
to
be
a
shared
value
of
affordable
housing
around
the
Metro,
not
just
in
Des
Moines,
and
it
can't
just
be
people
in
Des
Moines
who
are
championing
that
cause.
So
I
appreciate
your
time
this
evening.
Thank.
M
Hello,
I'm
chelsea
Lepley
I'm
at
12:53,
East
12th
I,
chaired
that
Capitol
Park
Neighborhood
Association,
talking
with
my
neighbors
I,
think
we
echo
a
lot
of
what
we
heard
from
the
land
spending
here.
I,
for
example,
about
a
house.
Without
a
garage
and
I've
been
happy
there.
We
had
a
nice
shed
that
the
siding,
matched
and
everything
and
so
I
think
having
outdoor
storage
is
important,
but
I
don't
think
having
our
garages,
particularly
for
infill,
neighborhoods
and
I
know.
M
So
I
would
encourage
you
to
make
that
administrative
variance
up
to
30%
again
where
it
started
also
encourage
you
to
waive
the
requirement
for
a
garage,
and
maybe
that
means
getting
more
specific,
with
the
infill
areas,
I
think
for
urban
core
neighborhoods,
like
the
one
where
I
live
just
a
mile
from
the
Capitol.
It
doesn't
always
make
sense
to
have
a
garage
Thanks.
C
That
I
think
we
should
be
aware
of
is
is
what
are
we
doing
to
our
marketplace.
I
mean
who
builds
in
Des
Moines.
You
guys
know
who
builds
in
Des
Moines.
Sixty
percent
of
the
houses
built
are
built
by
three
builders:
Hubbell
Jerry's,
madney,
townhomes
94%,
built
by
two
builders,
Hubbell
homes
and
Jerry's
homes.
C
That's
okay,
I
prefer
that
there
were
a
lot
more
builders,
believe
it
or
not.
Activity
breeds
activity,
we're
not
attracting
the
building
community
to
Des
Moines,
and
it's
pretty
easy
right.
Now.
All
I
got
to
do
is
go,
get
a
building
permit
if
it's
alright
can
build
a
house
and
we
still
are
not
attracting
them.
So
someone
has
come
up
with
the
idea
that
if
we
make
it
more
difficult
that
work
that
the
building
community
is
just
gonna
come
here
and
build
I,
don't
think
so.
Why
would
you
do
that?
C
I'm
gonna,
keep
building
I
got
my
pu
DS
and
I'm
gonna
finish
him
out
and
it'll.
Take
me
longer
than
my
career
to
build
out
everything
and
most
of
what
I'm
building
is
in
downtown,
but
we
have
River
woods.
We
have
a
large
community
down
there,
we're
finishing
out
and
summers
field
and
we're
trying
to
be
one
other
one
in
the
northeast
side.
It'll
also
be
a
PUD,
but
what
about
everybody
else?
Who's
attracting
these
other
builders?
That's
what
I'm
conservative
in
plan
DSM
steering
committee.
We
didn't
talk
about
the
architectural
part
of
all
this.
C
We
didn't
talk
about.
You
know:
square
footage
of
houses,
I'm,
not
aware
of
anywhere
in
the
country
that
starts
telling
you
what
size
a
house
you
have
to
do.
It's
usually
controlled
by
the
size
of
the
lot,
which
is
the
zone.
You
had
a
minimum
lot
size.
You
pretty
much
know
if
you're
gonna
do
that.
Yes,
you
could
put
a
small
lot
on
a
large
small
house
on
a
large
lot.
You
can
anywhere
in
the
metro
area.
Do
people
do
it
rarely
I,
we've
never
had
anybody.
C
Do
it
the
size
of
the
lot,
which
relates
to
the
price?
A
lot
reflects
the
total
cost
of
what
you
built.
I've
heard
the
urban
legend
for
years
that
residential
doesn't
pay
for
itself.
Nobody,
nobody,
including
the
staff,
have
ever
given
us
any
proof.
Nh
B
is
produced
document
after
document
after
document
that
shows
residential
more
than
pays
for
itself.
So
don't
go
down
the
path
and
drink
that
kool-aid
about
hey,
listen,
you
know
residential,
doesn't
carry
its
own
weight,
it
does
it
does
in
every
metro
area.
C
It
carries
its
own
weight,
it
doesn't
Des
Moines
as
well.
I
don't
do
the
the
Habitat
for
Humanity
type
housing.
You
know
I,
don't
have
never
built
anything
without
her
without
a
two-car
attached
garage
except
for
animam
I
guess
we
did
that
night
homes
for
nine
families
and
nine
days
and
there
weren't
any
garages.
We
don't
really
build
that.
As
I
said,
we're
covered
by
pew
tees,
our
pride
lowest
price
home,
maybe
in
Riverwoods,
which
was
a
Clark
development
and
we
took
over
you
can.
C
Maybe,
if
you
get
there
quickly,
you
might
be
able
to
get
a
home
for
two
and
a
quarter
to
50
something
like
that,
but
that's
the
low
end
of
our
marketplace.
But
again
we
need
more
builders
in
our
community
and
if
you
think
this
will
do
it,
okay
pass
it
on.
But
if
you
think
you
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
attract
north
we're
already
given
a
huge
tax
abatement
to
entice
them.
That's
not
doesn't
seem
to
be
working.
C
So
let's
require
a
larger
home
or
require
a
minimum
square
footage
for
a
lot
of
them.
It's
not
going
to
make
any
difference,
but
I
built
the
law
with
square
footages
Riverwoods
a
lot
of
square.
The
two
stories
there
is
a
1400
square
foot
two-story
standard
home
which
is
going
to
cost
you
200
$250,000.
C
That's
it
that's
what
the
market
wants
in
that
neighborhood
and
if
you
look
at
the
neighborhood,
that's
kind
of
what
boy
Clark
built
there.
He
think
he
started
that
20-some
years
ago.
I
want
us
as
a
community.
We
we
just
need
to
grow.
We
need
to
be
able
to
respond
in
the
entire
market
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
requiring
a
bunch
of
these
restrictions
is
gonna.
Do
it
again
I'm
here
he
already
got
me
out
of
my
pu
DS
and
I'll
keep
building.
Ok,
we
talked
to
our
things.
We're!
Okay!
C
If
you
want
to
recommend
okay
on
to
a
city
council,
we
work
through
our
details.
We
could
you
could
for
our
perspective.
You
could
delay
it
for
a
week
or
two.
So
Glenna
can
get
her
comments
finalized,
but
she's
so
close.
We
can
probably
work
together
with
him
and
you
finalized
before
the
City
Council
meeting
I
understand
we're
wearing
Mike
out
he's
gonna
go
on
vacation,
he
needs
one
he's.
He
spent
a
lifetime
on
this
thing
already
and
it's
only
been
a
couple
of
years.
I
appreciate
what
he's
done.
C
It's
a
lot
of
hard
work.
I
wouldn't
want
to
do
it,
it's
why
they
only
doing
what
every
56
years,
so
he
doesn't
have
to
be
around
for
the
next
one.
It's
a
lot
of
work,
but
but
we
don't
need
to
rush
it
either.
Okay,
we
need
to
think
through
all
these
things
we're
working
on.
Is
this
really
what
we
want
to
do?
This
is
really
gonna
help
Des
Moines
be
the
Des
Moines.
We
all
want
it
to
be
because
believe
me,
I,
don't
like
being
the
only
guy
out
here.
C
N
C
Our
issues
could
probably
be
I
understand
why
they
would
want
to
do
it
work
out
a
lot
of
those
architectural
square
footage
which
are
pretty
owners
for
them
and
for
probably
a
lot
of
their
builders
coming
in
our
issues.
I
Glenna
Mike.
We
we
have
ours,
pretty
well
worked
out
Ashley
for
the
most
part,
that's
the
two
attorneys
and
they
got
to
work
it
Mike
and
I
verse
it
out
we're
easy
okay,
but
we
don't
have
to
write
anything
down.
C
Kinda
and
Ashley
have
to
so
we're.
Okay,
we
think
we
can
get
our
through
with
the
minor
tweaks
that
have
to
be
done
on
the
PUD
process.
We
really
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
had
a
process
that,
if
you're
not
going
to
have
a
beauty
process,
that
type
to
process
really
allows
the
same
thing
and
I
think
we
worked
out.
There
was
a
few
details
that
that
made
it
not
so
and
I
think
we
clarified
them
and
got
that
taken
care
of
okay.
A
D
C
Think
a
big
part
of
Moines
is
we
actually
Des.
Moines
makes
a
little
more
difficult
than
it
needs
to
be
just
yet
right.
Now,
when
you
think
about
it,
you're
we
just
going
to
get
a
building
permit
for
a
lot
of
people
now
they're
going
to
have
to
go
in
for
Community
Development
approval,
along
with
the
getting
them
a
building
permit,
which
is
probably
going
to
be
more
difficult.
C
We
try
to
encourage
them
that
we
want
you
to
come
to
Des
Moines
the
inspection
process
in
Des,
Moines,
building
and
scare
is
a
lot
of
builders,
and
it's
really
because
Des
Moines
is
is
so
much
larger
and
had
so
many
more
problems.
They
have
inspectors
for
each
area.
So
we
have
a
plumbing
inspector
electrical
inspector,
a
structural
inspector
versus
in
the
suburbs.
They
have
one
one
residential
inspector
that
just
deals
with
it.
You
don't
have
to
schedule
three
different
inspections
and
it's
with
different
inspectors.
C
You
get
one
person,
that's
huge,
that's
huge
and
trying
to
attract
people
and
make
it
easier
for
them
to
build
here
and
just
making
it
part
of
the
community.
That's
just
building
houses
and
I.
Think
Des
Moines
can
do
more
outreach
with
the
HBA
and
say:
okay
come
to
the
Moines.
Okay,
we
have
great
places
for
built,
I,
think
what
they're
doing
and
buying
blighted
houses
and
cleaning
up
those
Lots
and
make
available
there's
going
to
be
a
big
incentive
to
the
builders.
C
We
start
looking
at
it
because
there
are
some
other
areas
to
build
in.
You
know
we're
downtown.
So
we
know
what
a
little
bit
retitle
say
is
all
about.
Other
builders
see
our
success.
They
want
to
commit,
they
don't
exactly
know
where
to
go
and
that
some
of
these
next
ring
of
homes,
I
think,
is
going
to
do
that.
Ok,.
N
C
Company
in
really
what
we
went
in
our
biggest
concern
in
in
Mike
and
Glennon,
though
this
week,
the
pewdie
process
is
what
we
go
through
on
everything.
As
you
well
know,
we
come
in
front
of
you
and
all
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
there
is
a
process
we,
you
know,
we
preferred
just
keep
the
PUD
process.
Mike
assured
us
that
actually
tight
to
is
probably
a
better
process
for
us,
and
we
worked
through
those
details
and
I
would
I
would
agree
with
him.
C
A
O
Hello,
thank
you,
madam
chairman
commissioners.
My
name
is
Brandon
Patterson
I
am
the
Workforce
Development
Director
for
Home
Builders,
Association
of
Des
Moines
and
Iowa
on
behalf
of
nearly
six
hundred
members
of
the
HPA
of
Greater
Des
Moines,
who
employ
thousands
of
central
Iowans
contributing
to
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
in
annual
economic
impact
to
our
economy.
We
think
city
staff
and
planning
zoning
commissioners.
O
We
especially
thank
council
members,
Coleman,
Gatto
and
Westergaard
for
working
to
find
more
common
ground
and
more
of
a
common-sense
approach
to
updating
code
and
zoning
for
new
homes
in
Des
Moines
members
of
the
Commission.
You
know
our
concerns
over
minimum
square
footage,
siding
and
other
mandates,
materials
and
orders
of
garages
and
basements
on
all
new
homes.
I
will
shorten
HJ
remarks
in
light
of
the
changes
just
announced
this
afternoon
to
city
staff
recommendations.
O
We
spoke
with
our
National
Home
Builders
Association,
who
took
at
who
to
look
at
similar
zoning
proposals
from
across
the
country,
and
there
are
no
zoning
codes
that
have
minimum
square-footage
requirements.
There
are
multiple
cities
dealing
with
lawsuits
over
issues
that
we
are
talking
about
tonight
and
used,
and
we
suggest
that
we
all
take
a
step
back
and
make
certain
what
is
proposed
is
thoughtful
and
legal.
O
We
ask
you
to
table
any
recommendation
to
the
Des
Moines
City
Council
for
at
least
one
week,
so
those
most
immediately
affected
by
changes
to
the
ordinance
have
time
to
read
through
what
has
just
been
handed
to
us,
our
association
members,
citizens
and,
most
importantly,
you
as
appointed
planning
zoning
commissioners,
must
fully
understand
how
the
changes
will
affect
those
who
want
to
live
and
work
in
Des
Moines
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
P
I
have
no
qualms
with
slowing
it
down,
because
I
think
we
have
a
larger
concern
about
the
potential
cost
of
construction
in
our
community
and
particularly
within
the
urban
center,
and
so
for
me,
when
I've,
given
review
and
passed,
I've
lost,
I've,
often
lobbied
to
talk
about
accessory
dwelling
units
or
reduce
square
footages.
I.
Think
that's
really
at
from
my
point
of
view,
doing
a
rehabilitation
of
existing
structures.
It
is
not
getting
any
cheaper.
It's
getting
harder
and
harder
to
provide
solutions
in
neighborhoods
where
the
property
values
are
declining.
P
The
other
challenge
that
I
see
with
that
is-
and
this
is
a
little
bit
on
a
personal
bias-
I
even
want
to
let
the
market
dictate
a
little
bit
of
that.
That's
of
course
risk
to
me
as
a
business
owner
if
I
choose
to
invest
in
it's
less
a
Cheatham
Park,
it's
a
problem,
that's
an
area
that
I've
with
a
partner
of
mine,
I've,
acquired
two
properties
and
have
decided
to
invest
in
and
we'll
bring
them
up.
P
That's
a
neighborhood
that
that
city
is
choose
to
chosen
not
to
prioritize,
because
through
consultancy,
they're
prioritizing
in
other
neighborhoods,
because
the
investment
in
those
neighborhoods
will
raise
those
neighborhoods
quicker
I.
Think
that
was
a
good
strategy.
We
choose
to
work
in
a
neighborhood
where
we
like
the
housing
stock.
We
think
there's
lots
of
potential
because
it's
near
downtown.
P
It
is
really
important.
I
also
wanted
to
cite
that
particular
investment,
because
we
bought
a
property,
that's
near
near
dilapidation
and
we're
actually
having
a
debate
whether
it
should
have
come
down.
We've
already
made
the
commitment
to
go
forward,
but
what's
interesting
for
us
in
this
last
12
months
was
joppa,
took
an
infill
line
and
put
a
little
750
square
foot
house
right
next
door
at
first
we
were
kind
of
like
whole
thought
about
it
and
said
you
know
what
this
is:
a
neighborhood
we're
any
investment,
no
matter
how
small,
no
matter,
the
type.
P
P
So
I
would
encourage
you,
as
you,
re-evaluate
and
reassess
the
ordinances
and
the
suggestions
that
you
allow
as
much
flexibility
as
you
can
to
us
that
are
developing
in
neighborhoods
of
this
great
community,
and
you
allow
us
the
flexibility
in
the
marketplace
to
try
to
adjust.
As
we
look
at
price
points,
because
it's
not
easy
to
work
in
that
urban
core.
P
So
it
was
really
just
more
of
a
a
mindfulness
that
I
was
requesting
and
I
don't
want
to
say
one
way
or
the
other,
but
I
think
the
market
will
help
us
that
dictate
that
and
the
more
were
restricted.
I'll
come
to
the
board
if
I
need
to,
but
I'd
rather
have
the
flexibility
to
work
with
staff
and
to
find
something
that
we
can
get
accomplished
and
move
our
community
in
our
neighborhoods
forward,
not
backwards.
All.
L
Good
evening
the
my
name
is
Gerry
Cheevers,
some
treasurer
for
the
watch.
Recites
neighborhood
association
live
on
the
ward
for
south
side
of
Des
Moines
and
cell
building
materials
from
Ward
voice
outside
of
Des
Moines.
This
morning,
I
priced
a
garage
for
client
who
was
22
by
24
garage
and
had
a
4-12
roof
pitch
just
for
giggles
I
cranked
in
a
512
roof
pitch.
The
added
cost
was
four
hundred
and
fifty
dollars.
That's
what's
called
for,
and
this
page
135
2
I
would
challenge.
L
F
L
G
L
It's
pretty
much,
you
know
as
I
say,
added
cost
with
no
added
benefit.
I
want
to
thank
the
Commission
for
revising
the
basement
and
the
square
footage
things.
This
is
the
third
meeting
I've
attended
on
this
issue.
None
of
the
issues
with
the
list
of
building
materials
has
been
addressed
and
the
changes
that
came
out
this
morning
as
far
as
I
can
tell
you've
got
every
material
that
can
be
used
on
the
exterior
of
a
building
defined
on
three
pages
of
matrix.
We
have
spent.
F
L
Last
40
years
bidding
jobs,
most
of
them
were
hard
good
situations.
A
decimal
point
point:
a
thousandth
of
an
inch
can
mean
the
difference
between
thousands
of
dollars
between
low
bidder
and
high
bidder.
The
the
four
page
matrix
where
design
requirements,
paragraph
135
4,
is
just
poorly
written,
poorly
defined,
subject,
interpretation
and
needs
work.
L
The
some
of
the
gentlemen
have
previous
gentlemen,
asked
for
a
week
to
redefine
that
I
think
you're
gonna
need
more
time
than
that
or
strike
that
section
it's
in
its
entirety
and
let
the
architects
and
building
professionals
determine
the
best
material
for
it
suitable
for
the
exterior
of
a
building.
Thank
you
thank.
A
E
E
From
the
very
beginning
this
code
that's
been
presented
represents
a
balance
of
all
of
those
stakeholder
interests
and,
while
we're
focused
very
narrowly
on
building
site
of
things
right
now
and
the
interests
of
builders
and
affordable
housing,
they've
had
a
seat
at
the
table
from
the
very
beginning
on
this,
their
concerns
have
been
heard
and
we
balance
that
with
needs
for
efficiency
with
needs
for
predictability
for
neighborhoods
and
for
hire
design
quality
in
Des
Moines.
All
of
these
things
were
identified
in
a
stakeholder
report.
That's
on
the
plan
dsm
website.
E
We
had
stakeholder
meetings
with
builders
developers,
neighborhoods
Planning,
Commission
Council.
Every
goal
within
that
document
that
set
the
course
for
this
project
and
the
code
that
is
front
of
you
tonight
has
been
met
with
this
code
regarding
affordable
housing,
there's
not
a
single
staff
person
that
is
not
supportive
of
affordable
housing.
We
work
with
that
every
single
day.
It's
our
community
right
now,
I'll
remind
you
to
either.
If
you
could
go
to
the
overhead
again
in
Des
Moines
today,
our
average
square
footage
in
Des
Moines
of
the
all
existing
housing
is
1253
square
feet.
E
It's
27%
less
than
our
metro
peers,
our
average
sale
price
of
all
housing
in
Des
Moines
is
a
hundred
and
thirty-three
thousand
dollars.
That's
all
housing
to
bring
the
average
down
to
one
hundred
thirty
three
thousand
and
the
square
footage
is
a
as
a
point
in
that
it
tells
you
how
many
units
that
we
have
that
are
below
twelve
hundred
fifty-three
square
feet
to
bring
that
average
at
12:53.
E
This
code
will
not
solve
the
affordable
housing
issue,
nor
will
the
city
by
building
just
single-family
residential,
we're
building
200
units
a
year
of
single-family
residential
in
Des
Moines.
If
there's
a
fifty
thousand
unit
gap
in
the
Metro
in
Des
Moines
is
the
only
solution
we're
talking
a
hundred
years
to
build
the
current
demand
at
what's
been
built
in
Des
Moines
Des
Moines
has
to
present
urban
solutions
to
all
issues,
including
affordable
housing
and
I
want
to
remind
the
Commission.
E
We've
talked
about
how
this
code
is
supporting,
affordable
housing,
we're
eliminating
costly
process,
duplication
in
in
hearing
processes,
we're
implementing
our
transportation
goals
of
land-use
goals
that
are
in
our
plan,
DSM
document,
which
lowers
overall
household
costs.
It's
not
just
the
cost
of
the
housing,
its
transportation
costs,
its
healthcare
costs
that
factor
into
household
budgets
as
well,
and
this
code
tries
to
address
all
of
those
things
to
make
life
living
in
Des
Moines,
affordable,
not
just
housing,
affordable
in
Des
Moines.
The
design
standards
are
ensuring
predictability.
They
were
a
trade-off
for
less
public
hearing.
E
You've
all
heard
the
term
NIMBY.
It
comes
up,
it's
a
hidden,
sometimes
it's
hidden.
Sometimes
it's
not.
When
you
go
into
public
hearings.
This
code
makes
multifamily
residential
allowed
by
right
in
Des.
Moines
no
longer
requires
a
site
plan
review
from
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
We've
said
we're
not
afraid
of
density
in
Des
Moines.
E
That's
what
our
complaint
says
were
not
afraid
of
density
and
I
believe
that
how
we're
going
to
address
the
affordable
housing
issue
is
by
providing
a
multitude
of
housing
options
from
multifamily
and
rentals
to
missing
middle
housing
that
could
be
owner
occupied
or
rental
to
single-family
that
can
be
owner
occupied
or
rental
to
rehab
of
existing
homes.
Our
existing
housing
stock
to
meet
our
sustainability
goals
that
are
in
this
comp
plan.
The
most
sustainable
thing
that
we
could
do
is
rehab
our
existing
housing
in
the
city.
E
Instead
of
putting
new
supplies
and
new
resources
into
new
housing
units
every
single
time,
the
this
code
is
reintroducing
missing
metal
housing,
it's
Aryan,
it's
introducing
accessory
dwelling
units
into
this
code,
I
believe
the
accessory
dwelling
units
is
the
way
to
get
these
smaller
dwelling
units
that
people
are
requesting
in
this
code
to
be
allowed.
That
provision
is
already
allowed
by
the
accessory
dwelling
unit.
Provision
of
the
code
that
doesn't
mean
every
single
family
detached
home
needs
to
be
smaller.
E
E
E
We
will
continue
to
partner
with
a
Florida
license.
We
routinely
are
putting
community
development
block
grant
monies.
We
provide
tax
abatement
regardless
of
income
regardless
of
sale
price.
We
are
partnering
with
the
development
community
to
get
all
housing
built
in
this
community.
That's
that
single-family
we
have
multifamily
tax
abatement
available
on
transit
corridors.
We
offer
TIF
tax
increment
financing
for
multifamily
housing.
We've
been
requiring
inclusion,
inclusionary
provisions
in
most
recent
tax,
increment
financing
agreements
on
multifamily
housing
to
set
aside
a
certain
number
of
units
for
affordable
housing.
E
We
are
taking
actions
as
a
city
to
try
and
address
this,
but
the
point
was
made:
our
tax
rate
is
the
highest
in
the
metro.
That's
why
we
offer
those
incentives
is
to
try
and
balance
that
out,
but
total
household
cost
is
more
than
just
the
entry
point
or
the
price
of
the
house
for
sale,
its
maintenance,
it's
it's
it's
taxes
and
it's
transportation
cost
in
the
household
it
all
works
together.
E
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
very
quickly
just
two
final
things,
and
it
was
just
interesting
that
I
it
I
wouldn't
have
brought
the
articles,
so
I
had
staff
go
to
the
State
Historical
Society
and
just
pull
some
news
articles
from
the
time
when
this
last
zoning
code
was
adopted.
So
one
of
those
was
discussion
about
billboards.
Surprise-Surprise
didn't
probably
addressed
five
times
since
I've
been
here,
but
it's
interesting
to
see
it
was
still
an
issue
in
1961
or
64
in
this
instance.
E
The
argument
there,
the
issue
here
was
the
city
found
an
archaic
regulation
in
the
code.
That
said,
you
couldn't
regulate
or
could
not
advertise
alcoholic
beverages
on
Billboard's,
so
we
were
doing
content-based
regulation
of
billboards.
They
found
that
and
we
found
out.
We
had
all
these
billboards
across
town
that
had
had
billboards
that
were
advertising
alcohol
and
there
was
a
call
by
the
council
to
take
those
billboards
down
because
they
real
legal
under
the
well.
We
tried
to
do
that
today,
we'd
be
sued
over
content
of
regular
First,
Amendment,
free
speech
and
regulation
of
signage.
E
E
Call
for
action
on
housing
in
this
document
talks
about
1961
that
voters
failed
to
approve
establishment
of
a
housing
authority
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
and
in
1964
there
was
a
two-year
study
that
had
occurred
on
affordable
housing
by
the
mayor's
committee
and
turned
up
no
practical
alternatives
to
subsidizing
housing
for
low-income
families.
Private
enterprise
has
been
unable
to
build
the
necessary
units
for
rent
or
for
sale
at
a
price
the
lowest
income
families
can
afford.
E
E
E
It
existed
before
both
codes
were
both
codes
have
been
even
considered,
so
I
guess
in
final
point:
I,
believe
that
the
code
in
front
of
you
tonight
is
a
balance
of
all
stakeholder
interests
that
have
been
have
been
a
part
of
this
process
from
the
very
beginning
and
I
would
urge
the
Commission
to
make
a
recommendation
tonight
to
move
this
project
on
to
the
City
Council
and
move
move
adoption
of
this
code.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
E
E
The
city
has
been
a
partner
in
in
providing
assistance
for
programs
and
we
will
continue
to
provide
assistance
for
affordable
housing
providers
like
Habitat
and
home
Inc,
and
there's
opportunities
for
requesting
additional
funds
under
our
existing
programs
to
cover
increased
costs
that
may
be
created
by
this
code.
All.
J
Nice
about
this
last
time
and
I
think
you
weren't
sure
and
I
should
have
asked
you
to
look
into
it,
but
I
was
wondering
I'm
still
confused
about
the
duplex
requirements,
so
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
a
duplex
in
housing
B
through
D,
where
it
says
that
each
unit
must
meet
all
of
the
requirements
of
the
building
type
with
no
basement,
would
need
to
be
2,500
square
feet.
If
it's
one,
if
it's
one
story
because
you
eat
one
would
need
to
meet
the
units.
A
I
Lance
honey
inhabit,
a
free,
Mandy,
West
Des
Moines
did
work
to
change
their
policy
and
they
do.
We
are
building
two
homes
without
garages
in
West,
Des
Moines,
the
only
city
in
the
metro
area
requiring
garages
is
Clyde
and
Des.
Moines
has
an
West.
Des
Moines
has
an
ordinance
that
allows
for
affordable
housing
to
not
have
to
build
a
garage.
Thank.
A
R
J
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
putting
this
together.
I
think
it's
been
spectacularly
done
and
I
really
appreciate
all
the
time.
That's
that's
gone
into
it
I'd
like
to
offer
two
friendly
amendments,
just
to
see
how
how
they
go
and
I
guess
the
first
friendly
amendment
would
be
to
remove
the
minimum
house
size
for
housing
types,
B,
C
and
D.
J
I
am
looking
at
the
overall
proposal
and
I
am
suggesting
that
wherever
it
refers
to
minimum
house
sizes
in
houses,
b,
c
and
housing,
types,
BC
and
D
that
we
remove
the
minimum
house
size
and
I
guess
I'm,
just
wondering
that's
acceptable.
No,
thank
you.
The
my
next
friendly
amendment
would
be.
Would
you
be
willing
to
remove
the
garage
requirement
in
the
same
house
types?
No,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
F
Might
make
a
comment:
I've
been
working
in
Community
Development
for
the
past
twelve
years
and
specifically
in
rural
communities,
and
I
grew
up
here
and
spent
six
decades
here
in
the
mid
control
and
I've
seen
what
lack
of
affordable
housing
has
done
to
Iowa
communities.
The
lack
the
middle
class
has
been
hollowed
out
when
manufacturing
middle
class
jobs
were
taken
out
of
the
community
and
with
restructuring
of
private
employers.
F
This
I
see
the
hollowing
out
of
middle-class
of
this
community
on
the
housing
side
of
this
you're,
taking
putting
in
I
think
too
restrictive
about
minimum
sizes.
I
think
we
need
to
be
flexible
and
creative.
You
have
to
remember
that
this
country
has
always
developed
the
housing
philosophy
to
adopt
housing
to
the
economic
standards.
The
first
20
years
of
the
20th
century
were
boom
years.
The
30s
were
depression
and
then
followed
by
war
in
1950.
The
average
new
construction
was
nine
hundred
and
eighty-three
square
feet.
F
You
see
that
across
over
a
lot
of
times
when
they
step
on
the
economic
status
of
the
country,
housing
had
to
be
adjustable.
I
think
this
is
too
restrictive
and
I
would
pose
the
any
motion
adopting
minimum
standards
that
would
have
allowed
a
middle-class
people
were
firefighters,
teachers
and
average
workers
in
private
industry.
From
being
able
to
for
a
first-time
house,
people
start
off
on
the
first
time
house
with
a
house,
maybe
with
no
basement
and
no
garage,
then
they
move
up
a
building
equity
when
you
have
a
starter
homes
at
225
and
250.
D
Again,
I
know
the
time
you
know
that
people
have
spent
on
this
and
it's
been
a
long
time,
but
I'm
just
wondering
since
the
Planning
Commission
or
the
planning
staff
responded
to
the
last.
You
know
the
comments
on
the
last
meeting.
I'm
just
wondering
if,
if
we
need
more
time
to
think
about
this
I,
don't
I'm
just
throwing
that
out
so
yeah.
A
A
G
R
A
S
I
S
S
Q
S
The
only
thing
I
can
think
of
is
that
if
we're
going
to
have
and
trust
me,
I
I,
really
don't
like
the
noose
of
huge
form
and
material
requirements,
you
know
I
want
to
creatively
solve
problems
and
architecture
in
my
own
way,
I,
don't
think
you
can
also
put
on
it
square
footage
requirements.
You
know,
for
me,
it's
an
either/or
if
we
can
raise
quality
debatably
with
material
requirements
and
form
and
those
sorts
of
things
and
I
I,
don't
think
I
would
be
in
support
of
square
footage
requirements.
S
You
know
I'm
watching
in
congregate
residence
design
over
the
last
16
years.
That
I've
been
here
that
more
and
more
you
know
we're
looking
at
smaller
and
smaller
units.
The
price
per
square
foot
of
those
goes
up.
I
mean
there's
still
a
value
that
you
have
to
hit,
but
that
tends
to
be
market
driven
density,
driven
other
things
Drive.
You
know
how
folks
want
to
live
and
so
forth.
So
I
guess
my
long.
B
B
B
Well
time
passes
and
now
we're
70
years,
80
years,
whatever
it
is
later
on,
and
you
know
what
people
are
still
living
in
those
houses.
People
are
happy
in
those
houses
and
people
have
maintained
the
houses.
So
you
know,
just
because
a
house
is
small,
doesn't
mean
that
it's
not
a
good
place
to
live
so
I
I
share
the
concern
about
minimums
all.
T
Just
want
to
make
a
comment:
what
I
was
encouraged
by
was
Mike's
comment
about
looking
at
existing
stock
and
renovating
a
house.
So
if
you
want,
you
know,
lower
investment
I
mean
it's
a
it's
by
far
greater
house,
but
I
spent
fifty
four
thousand
dollars
for
a
thirty
five
hundred
square
foot
house.
So
I
think
that
there
are
opportunities
and
I
appreciate
the
staff
bringing
that
forward.
N
Jackie
I
will
also
not
be
supporting
the
motion.
I
I
think
garages
are
a
good
idea.
I
do
not
support
minimum
square.
Footages
I
think
some
people
don't
want
to
move
into
an
older
house
and
fix
it
up.
They
they
want
a
new
house
and
I
think
it
would
be
unfortunate
if
we
didn't
make
a
way
for
that
to
happen.
A
R
A
G
D
D
F
U
U
We
as
staff
with
input
of
councilmembers,
our
bosses,
the
city
manager,
the
city
attorney,
have
produced
the
product
that
you've
seen
in
front
of
you,
so
the
product
from
May,
along
with
the
major
revisions
and
minor
revisions,
I've
heard
of
number
of
you
say
that
you
have
concerns
with
the
minimum
square
footages
and
that's
fair,
but
I
don't
see
any
direction
as
to
what
you
as
a
commission,
would
like
us
to
work
on
in
the
next
month.
I'm
not
going
to
commit
to
that.
The
city
will
agree
to
support
those
types
of
recommendations.
A
U
R
A
The
point
I'm
making
is
I'm
readiness
that
I
hear
among
the
Commission
is
that
there
was
not
enough
information
for
the
Commission
to
feel
comfortable
with
approving
the
motion,
as
is,
however,
since
the
plan
des
moines
steering
committee
and
three
council,
people
felt
that,
with
some
amendments
never
haps,
they
can
move
it
forward.
It
sounds
like
the
combination
of
bringing
those
recommendations
back
and,
as
many
people
have
stated
tonight.
First
time
we
saw
it
was
like
in
the
last
two
or
three
hours
in
giving
us
a
chance.
Maybe
two
from
that.
A
D
U
Would
imagine
that
we
are
probably
not
going
to
make
any
more
substantive
changes?
I
could
be
wrong.
You
know
again,
I
see
from
my
own
opinion
right
now
and
I
certainly
do
not
speak
for
the
entire
city
at
this,
about
that,
but
I
I,
don't
I
think
that
we
have
tried
to
address
many
of
those
concerns,
so
I
feel
like
the
concerns
that
were
raised
are
ones
that
have
already
been
raised,
even
at
your
last
public
hearing
and
so
I,
don't
know
what
new
direction
there
would
be.
I.
U
Think,
though,
that
what
I
heard
you
say,
madam
chairman,
the
chairwoman
is
that
you
are
looking
for
more
time
to
get
the
additional
major
revisions
that
Mike
reviewed
up
front.
So
it's
not
that
you
are
expecting
us
to
come
back
with
something
new.
It's
just
that
you
want
some
more
time
to
think
about
those.
That's.
J
Yeah
clinical,
a
secret,
so
my
sense
right
now
and
I
could
be
wrong-
is
that
the
Commission
is
in
favor
of
the
of
sending
recommendations
forward,
but
would
like
the
ability
to
send
those
forward
without
the
minimum
house
sizes.
That's
things
what
the
previous
vote
suggested.
So
I
guess
what
I'm
wondering
is:
can
we
just
make
a
proposal
and
remove
those?
Is
that
going
to
create
a
mess
going
forward
or
with
that
feel
well.
U
U
It
would
have
every
time
it
has
what
your
recommendation
is,
and
so
it
would
say
you
know,
pnz
voted
whatever
your
vote.
Tally
is
on
such
and
such
date
after
public
hearing,
and
these
were
the
conditions
that
they
recommended,
or
these
are
the
addition
additional
languages
or
the
subtractions
that
they
recommended,
and
so
then
staff
can
make
a
recommendation
on
that
either
at
the
council
hearing
or
as
part
of
the
roll
call,
and
then
council
makes
ultimate
decision.
U
J
E
N
J
N
A
Okay,
can
I
peer
peer
facing
my?
He
felt
that
we
should
get
rid
of
all
men
in
square
footage,
because
the
market
would
dictate
when
individuals
are
prepared
to
buy
Bret
all
right.
So
the
motion
before
is
just
to
approved
they
have
items.
A
woman
cannot
lose
you
I
can
here
we
go
to
approve
items,
a
b,
c
and
d
with
the
removal
of
any
reference
to
square
footage.
U
A
Q
I'm
just
concerned
about
the
garage
requirement,
especially
in
infill.
There
are
several
people
that
mentioned
that
they
didn't
it's
not
necessary.
It's
not
a
necessity,
especially
if
you
live
in
a
in
an
infill
area
and
so
I'd
like
to
vote
on
this.
Yes,
but
I'd
like
to
include
something
that
that
I
mean
he
said.
Lance
had
mentioned
that
in
west
moines
for
affordable
housing
that
they
don't
require
a
garage,
and
so,
if
there's
a
way
that
that
can
be
discretionary,
I
guess
I,
then
I
could
vote
for
this
and
good
in
good
paper.
F
D
Q
A
A
E
Commission.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
this
evening,
before
you
close,
the
hearing.
I
would
like
for
the
Commission
to
recognize
Commissioner,
who
will
there's
a
new
appointment
being
made
on
Monday
evening,
and
one
of
our
commissioners
will
be
leaving
the
Commission.
Mr.
Simonson
has
been
on
the
Commission
for
a
great
number
of
years
has
served
this
commission
greatly
and
not
just
this
commission,
but
countless
countless
things
in
this
community
and
obviously
people
know
what
boards
and
commissions
Mike
has
served
on,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
just
wanted
to
point
out.
E
Maybe
a
lot
of
people
may
not
know
this,
but
I
do
know
that
the
city
was
looking
at
putting
in
some
Street
trees
along
Grand
Avenue.
We
had
some
very
small
saplings
that
were
going
to
be
going
in.
They
were
available,
but
they
needed
someone
to
support
the
maintenance
watering
of
those
mr.
assignments
and
contributed
the
money
that
helped
fund
that
watering
to
establish
those
trees
on
that
corridor.
So
little
things
like
that,
make
a
huge
difference
in
this
community
and
Mike
I
want
to
thank
you
for
everything.
You've
done
for
this
commission.