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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, Jan. 17, 2019 in Des Moines, Iowa.
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A
A
These
are
rules
and
procedures.
The
Planning
Commission
is
an
advisory
body
to
the
City
Council.
The
City
Council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
a
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
Commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
flats.
Unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
are
appealed,
please
contact
the
city
clerk
or
the
Community
Development
Department
staff
for
details
on
the
council
hearings.
A
The
applicant
is
given
ten
minutes
to
present
the
request,
and
then
proponents
and
the
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order,
which
each
speaker
will
be
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes.
The
applicant
has
been
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
Commission
will
then
discuss
and
the
Commission
only
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
mean
a
courteous
manner.
A
Please
notify
the
city
at
least
three
business
days
in
advance
at
two
eight
three,
four,
two:
zero
nine
should
special
accommodations
be
required.
Assistive
listening
devices
are
available
for
meetings
in
these
chambers
plan
and
Zoning.
Commission
meetings
are
broadcast
on
media,
come
cable,
channel,
7.10
or
7.24
customers
with
that
service
and
transportation
to
and
from
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
can
be
scheduled
from
Dart
central
station,
located
at
620
Cherry
Street
to
reserve
your
route.
A
Please
call
dart
on-call
scheduling
at
two
eight
three,
eight
one,
three
six
calls
for
trips
will
be
accepted
up
until
5:00
p.m.
of
the
day
prior
to
the
meeting,
and
please
be
sure
to
mention
in
your
request
that
you
require
transportation
for
a
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
at
this
location.
That
notice
was.
This
notice
is
intended
to
comply
with
accessibility
requirements
of
the
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act.
A
B
A
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
wishes
us
to
remove
this
item
from
consent
singles
anyone
on
occasion
that
wishes
to
hear
this
item
tonight,
seeing
that
I
don't
want
remaining
consent.
Item
number
three,
as
a
request
in
the
City
of
Des
Moines
for
the
location
of
106,
Franklin,
Avenue,
101
and
111
Jefferson
for
vacation
of
the
joining
east-west
route,
Ali
right
away
between
Franklin
Avenue
and
Jefferson
Avenue
from
Ohio
Street
to
its
terminating
410
feet
to
the
west.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
wishes
wishes
for
us
to
remove
this
item
from
consent?
A
Saying
man?
Is
there
anyone
on
the
Commission
who
wishes
to
remove
this
item
all
right?
That
I
don't
mean
and
consent
item
number
4?
Is
a
city
initiated
request
to
rezone
property
located
at
3500?
Vandalia
Road
is
there
anyone
in
my
audience
that
wishes
for
us
to
remove
the
site
and
from
consent
signetics
or
anyone
on
the
commission?
That
was
just
to
hear
this
item
all
right.
Seeing
on
those
three
items,
then
item
number
2,
I,
remember
three
and
item
number
four
will
remain
I
consent.
A
B
A
So
Commission
is
their
motion
to
this
item
to
our
consent:
agenda
Oh.
Is
there
anyone
who
did
wish
to
hear
that
item?
I'm?
Sorry
saying
that?
Is
there
a
motion
from
Commission
to
move
this
item
to
consent?
Damn.
Thank
you.
So
item
number
nine
there's
been
a
motion
to
move
to
our
consent
agenda.
All
those
in
favor
from
the
Commission,
please
five.
By
raising
your
hand.
A
A
A
A
A
A
We
have
item
number
five,
which
is
a
request
from
TK
development
for
review
and
approval
of
a
second
amendment
for
preliminary
flat
for
Southwest
wood
estates,
property
located
at
3,800,
Southwest
56th
Street.
To
continue
this
request
to
our
February
7th
meeting,
and
that's
your
understanding
is
the
applicant
with
us
to
affirm
that.
F
A
A
Item
number
seven:
it
is
also
my
understanding
that
the
request
from
get
and
go
convenience
store
for
review
and
approval
of
a
site
plan
get
and
go.
100-Watt
dress
for
property
on
100
watch
restore
a
lot
construction
of
three
thousand
eighty
square
foot
convenience
store
with
pump
island
is
also
wishing
to
move
this
item
to
our
February
seventh
meeting.
Yes,.
B
A
A
B
A
B
If
you
look
on
pages
3,
&
4
of
the
staff
report,
there
is
one
item
that
they're
not
in
agreement
with,
which
is
that
the
project
would
provide
a
full
basement
as
part
of
this
as
a
zoning
condition
they're,
not
in
agreement
with
that.
So
they
want
to
have
the
opportunity
to
address
that
recommendation,
and
that
would
be
number
two
on
the
committee.
The
conditions
listed
in
Part
B
of
the
staff
recommendation
and
then
I
can
orient
you
quickly
to
the
location
and
I
will
also
give
you
the
cards.
B
B
To
the
right
at
the
corner
of
East
University
in
East
14th,
so
this
is
just
to
the
southwest
they've
combined
two
original
parcels
that
had
contained
single-family
dwellings
that
gave
the
by
rezoning
this.
That
would
also
give
them
the
width
to
allow
a
two-family
dwelling
unit
plan
DSM
contemplates
both
one
and
two
family
following
units
in
this
area
as
a
low-density
residential
area.
So
it
would
be
consistent
with
the
plan
DSM
and
I
all
at
the
applicant
elaborate
on
the
reasoning
for
going
with
a
two
unit.
B
Building
versus
a
two
separate
single-family
dwelling
and,
like
I,
said
they're,
not
in
agreement
with
item
two
of
Part
B,
which
is
recommending
approval
of
the
rezoning
to
r2
subject
to
those
conditions.
Are
there
any
questions?
Anybody
has
with
the
staff
report
before
the
applicant
gets
up
to
speak.
G
I'm
Pam
Carmichael
I'm,
the
director
of
home,
incorporated,
we
agree
with
all
of
the
requirements
of
the
of
the
staff,
with
the
exception
of
the
basement
and
there's
a
couple
of
reasons
for
this.
This
is
the
project
that
we,
this
is
a
unit
that
is
similar
to
the
project
that
we
will
be
building.
This
is
built
in
the
King
herbing
neighborhood,
there's
two
duplex
two
duplexes
there
in
a
single
family
that
we
made
into
a
complex
for
homeless,
women
and
children.
This
unit
here
is
I'm,
sorry,
okay!
G
G
G
We
were
denied
funding
from
Iowa
Finance
Authority,
based
on
the
flooding
that
occurred
there
in
June.
We
were
in
a
they
told
us
that
we
could
continue
with
the
grant,
but
we
would
have
to
find
a
new
location,
so
the
plans
that
we
have
we've
had
for
this
have
have
never
included
a
basement
for
us
to
be
able
to
put
in
a
basement
and
adapt
the
plans
put
in
to
put
in
the
basement.
G
We
anticipate
it
would
cost
us
about
$15,000
per
unit
to
change,
adapt
this
plan,
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
usually
don't
put
I
mean
we
don't
we
usually
do
single-family
homes,
they're,
usually
home
ownership,
and
we
usually
do
put
a
basement
in
them.
What
we
found,
though,
is
if
we
sometimes
rent
a
single-family
home,
the
basements
end
up
being
used
for
additional
living
space,
which
is
contrary
to
the
housing
code,
which
causes
us
a
number
of
problems.
G
Basements
in
our
houses
are
usually
semi
finished
for
the
homeowners
and
also
for
additional
insulation.
We're
concerned.
Not
only
the
basement
will
not
only
increase
the
cost
of
the
project
for
us
that
we
may
not
be
feasible,
but
also
that
it
would.
These
are
looked
at
looked
at
towards
long-term
rental.
We
do
not
intend
to
sell
these
as
ownership
properties.
G
This
is
the
second
floor.
What
we
have
agreed
to
is
typically,
with
these
units
we
were
putting
up
sheds,
we
recommended
we
in
our
plan
to
zoning.
We
said
we
would
put
up
a
car
and
a
half
garage.
We
are
willing
to
put
up
a
two-car
garage
to
help
deal
with
the
idea
of
additional
store
needs
for
additional
storage.
The
cost
of
that
would
be
less
than
$5,000
per
unit.
We
would
have
to
put
a
little
bit
more
concrete,
increase
the
approach
a
little
bit
and
then
add
to
the
cost.
G
We
wouldn't
have
the
draw
of
the
drawings
we
have
drawings
already
for
two
two-car
garages,
so
that
would
not
be
an
additional
cost
to
us.
So
our
major
concern
with
this
is
it
puts
the
cost
of
this
project
above
the
funding
that
we
would
have
available
to
do
it
I'm
willing
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
G
G
Spoke
with
the
city
today
or
recently
about
them
that
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
continued
this
from
I
think
it
was
December
to
now
is
not
only
because
we
didn't.
We
were
nay
unable
to
hold
the
public
meeting
for
the
neighborhood,
but
also
because
we
were
trying
to
get
the
costs
in
regard
to
the
garage.
I
did
speak
with
them
this
morning
and
I
do
understand
that
the
city.
This
is
a
requirement
of
the
city.
They
do
not
like
to
make
an
exception
to
it,
because
an
exceptions
would
be
expected
by
others.
G
We
have
since
held
it,
I
held
it
on
December
3rd
January
3rd
I
held
it
one
of
the
units
that
we
built
single
family
unit
that
we
built
it
was
vacant
right
now
in
the
neighborhood
on
Fillmore.
We
didn't
have
anyone
come
to
the
meeting.
I
do
know
that
there's
been
one
response
turned
in
from
the
city's
mailing
in
opposition
to
this
because
it's
affordable,
my
understanding
is
because
it's
affordable
housing
and
the
neighborhood
has
what
this
resident
feels
is
adequate
supply
of
raise
of
affordable
housing.
G
A
B
H
C
E
A
A
A
Yeah
apart,
be
them
has
been
moved
to
approved
the
rezoning
of
r22
to
family
residential
subject
to
the
following
conditions.
Number
one
remains
the
same.
Number
two
is
revised
to
unit
to
be
compatible
with
the
image
so
make
sure
I
have
the
correct
image
every
20
to
delete
any
dwelling
unit
shall
be,
shall
I
have
a
full
depth
basement
and
then
insert
the
unit
to
be
compatible
with
the
image
shown,
but
I
mean
what
image
do
we
say?
That
is
the.
A
B
Madam
chair
I'm
going
to
pass
around
materials
that
have
been
received.
They
include
the
cards
and
letters
that
were
from
the
last
meeting
and
they're
but
they're
broken
out
and
also
include
communications
received
since
the
last
meeting,
and
so
that
you're
clear.
Hopefully
you
can
keep
them
together,
there's
a
clip
with
each
one
and
then
there's
some
other
things
that
were
provided
with
the
testimony
at
the
last
meeting
as
well.
That
I
will
include
and
then,
as
soon
as
I,
give
those
to
Mike
I'm
going
to
show
you
our
draft
minutes
just.
B
Commission
approved
the
minutes
that
included
the
summary
of
the
discussion
from
the
last
hearing
on
December
20th
2018,
the
Commission
all
received
copies
of
those
there's
mission
members
here
that
weren't
present
at
that
meeting,
so
they
have
the
benefit
of
the
discussion
that
occurred
at
that
meeting.
All
of
this
will
be
included
in
the
full
record
that
would
be
forwarded
on
to
the
City
Council,
including
what
transpires
this
evening
as
well.
B
B
J
Of
clarification,
they
will
not
receive
a
transcript
of
the
meeting.
They
will
receive
the
meeting
summary,
which
is
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
that
you
all
received
with
your
packets
and
have
just
been
entered
into
the
record.
It's
not
a
transcript.
It's
not
a
verbatim
statement
of
everything
that
was
those
said.
There's
a
meeting
summary
in
the
packet.
B
Staff
has
not
modified
their
recommendation
from
the
previous
meeting,
so
if
you
go
to
pages
four
and
five,
there
are
seven
conditions
that
we
are
recommending.
We
are
recommending
in
favor.
We
also
recommend
approval
of
the
amendment
to
the
plan.
Dsm
future
Land,
Use
and
I.
Think
because
of
the
number
of
individuals
again
I
think
Glenda
would
recommend
those
be
considered
as
separate
votes
tonight.
K
B
If
you
want
to
call
it
that
this
is
the
this
is
the
this
shows
the
original
request
that
was
submitted
with
their
application
and
then
I
do
want
to
show
the
comment
cards
displayed
in
the
map.
That
represents
the
area
within
250
feet
of
the
request
originally
requested.
Rezoning
area
that's
been
modified
since
the
last
meeting.
This
was
updated.
As
of
all
the
communications
received.
To
date,
the
red
represents
written
petition
in
opposition.
The
green
represents
written
petition
in
favor.
B
The
light
blue
is,
is
undetermined
and
then
the
percentage
down
here
and
that
represents
the
percentage
of
land
area
within
200
feet.
It's
in
opposition
through
the
rezoning
request,
twelve
point,
two
two
percent
and
then
the
percentage
in
favor.
At
thirty
seven
point
six:
six
we
did
notify
based
on
the
entire
property
owned
by
Des
Moines
University.
So
we
got
number
of
the
responses
and
they're
broken
out
in
the
way
they're
handed
around.
There
are
people
that
are
outside
this
area
that
we're
given
notice
and
responded.
So
that's
all
still
valid
petition.
B
I,
don't
know
if
I
want
to
elaborate
it
further
I'll
let
the
applicant
speak
to
anything,
that's
modified
in
their
request,
since
this
has
been
made.
If
you
have
any
questions,
I
know
there's
commissioners
that
are
not
that
weren't
present
at
the
last
hearing,
so
certainly
ask
away.
If
you
have
something
and
then.
L
B
B
The
so
we
send
notification
to
ownerships,
okay,
so
anybody
that
would
have
a
condominium,
so
an
example
would
be
up
in
the
corner
here.
Those
circles
are
a
one
fraction
of
that
condominium
ownership,
so
that
separate
owner
gets
accounts
as
a
as
a
portion
of
that
properties
percentage
within
that
200.
So
there
you're
right
there's
a
little
bit
to
that
calculation
when
you
have
split
ownerships
of
a
property
so
but
we
notify
ownerships
and
then
we
notified
250
feets
surrounding
all
the
property
that
Des
Moines
University
owns
in
common
there.
J
B
C
B
There's
a
sign
up
over
here
for
two
so
that
we
have
speakers
names
and
addresses
correct
for
the
record.
Please
sign
it
if
you
are
will
speak
or
if
you
did
speak,
you're
welcome
to
sign
it
afterwards.
You
don't
have
to
come
up
here,
then
sign
it.
We
want
to
keep
everything
moving.
So
if
you
didn't
sign
it
before
speaking,
please
sign
it
after
speeding.
M
M
M
Property,
of
course,
is
one
University
needs
no
introduction
on
Grand
Avenue
that
comes
back
to
the
south.
The
purpose
of
the
request,
or
the
request
to
rezone,
is
what
we
call
limited
r4
I
think
you
understand
that.
But
it's
it
deals
with
the
two
conditions.
One
is
a
need
for
parking
at
the
University
and
the
other
has
to
do
with
a
generator.
So
in
your
the
staff
recommendation
and
number
one,
we
do
agree
with
the
staff
recommendation.
We
want
to
be
certain
that
the
Commission
understands
our
request.
It's
limited
strictly
to
the
area.
M
It's
it's
difficult
to
see
what
it's
in
blue
in
that
part
of
the
of
the
site
so
to
the
east,
along
the
south
and
east
part
of
the
property
under
in
the
blue
area.
That
would
be
the
parking
parking
lot.
The
other
would
be
the
generator
at
the
end.
It's
a
basically
a
replacement
of
the
generator,
so
the
limitation
is
a
are
for
zoning,
but
we're
going
into
the
are
180
area.
M
Seven
would
be
conditional
zoning
or
part
of
the
r4
conditional
zoning
I
want
to
before
I
defer
to
president
Angela
Franklin
of
the
University
and
other
people
that
want
to
speak
in
favor
of
this
request.
I
would
ask
the
Commission
to
receive
and
file
the
petition
in
favor
of
it,
signed
by
218
friends.
And/Or
people
who
support
our
request
from
des
moines
a
university,
so
I
have
one
copy
if
I
could
give
that
to
the
clerk
you'll
receive.
M
M
Number
seven
in
particular
deals
with
what
the
drainage
situation
for
lack
of
better
way
to
say
it.
The
stormwater
utility
and
the
university
has
spent
considerable
money
over
the
past
years
to
prepare
or
and
to
build
at
its
expense
the
necessary
retention
I,
never
get
it
right
retention,
but
to
take
care
of
the
water
that
comes
off
of
the
off
of
the
University
parking
lots
and
goes
back
down
to
the
south.
There's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
and
I.
Think
rightly,
so.
M
We,
in
the
interest
of
time,
I'd
like
to
defer
to
reserve
some
of
our
time,
obviously
for
rebuttal
but
I'd
like
to
introduce
president
Angela
Franklin
from
the
University,
and
we
have
multiple
people
here
who
may
choose
to
speak
and
others
that
are
in
support
of
our
request
and
they
may
choose
not
to
speak.
But
dr.
Franklin
can,
of
course
speak
to
the
reason
why
we
think
is
a
good
request.
Angela.
M
N
Thank
You
mr.
Ellis
and
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
Commission,
it's
a
pleasure
for
me
to
have
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
behalf
of
Des
Moines
University
I'd
like
to
raise
an
issue
and
and
speak
directly
to
a
concern
about
decisions
of
the
past
expectations
from
the
past
and
speak
from
a
place
of
being
an
individual
who
I
consider
myself.
A
relative
newcomer.
Of
course,
I've
been
the
president
of
Des
Moines
University
for
eight
years
now.
N
What
also
comes
with
the
new
president
is
that
I
really
inherit
all
the
issues
of
the
past
challenges
concerns
issues
that
may
have
been
there
sort
of
the
good,
the
bad
the
ugly.
So
whereas
I
arrived
at
Des
Moines
University
in
2011,
you
know
with
the
firm
focus
on
raising
an
organization
and
advancing
in
the
organization
and
adhering
and
in
stepping
into
the
challenge,
in
the
charge
of
my
board
of
trustees,
to
assess
and
evaluating
it
in
advance,
an
organization.
N
So
I
took
my
role
very
seriously
as
members
of
my
campus
community
and
board
members
who
are
here
with
us
this
evening,
a
community
of
scholars,
students,
faculty
staff,
who
really
believe
in
the
mission
of
this
institution
that
we
improve
lives
in
our
global
community
by
educating
diverse
groups
of
highly
competent
and
compassionate
health
professionals.
I
took
that
charge
very
seriously
as
a
as
a
leader
of
an
organization
that
has
a
very
long
and
very
noble
path.
N
120
years
ago,
this
institution
became
a
reality
in
the
City
of
Des
Moines
we
weren't
always
on
Grant
Avenue,
but
since
in
1971
we
have
been
on
Grant
Avenue
and
the
powers
that
be
at
the
time.
They're
brought
us
to
that
location,
which
is
a
beautiful
part
of
the
city
that
we
really
treasure,
and
we
really
value
the
historical
preservation
Zinn
and
the
ambience
of
the
city
that
we
live
in.
What
came
along
with
that
is
a
real
understanding,
appreciation
for
what
the
impact
we
will
make
as
a
campus
community.
N
So
this
noble
history,
this
past
this
organization,
that's
been
around
120
years-
has
really
had
an
impact
not
only
in
the
City
of
Des
Moines,
but
the
state
of
Iowa
and
the
country,
and
even
the
world,
as
many
of
our
graduates
go
out
to
be
of
service
to
communities
all
around
the
world.
So
we're
as
we
are
to,
in
my
mind,
a
gem
in
the
state
of
Des
Moines.
N
We
also
have
an
impact
much
broader
than
the
City
of
Des
Moines,
so
I
have
here
with
me
tonight,
students
who
come
to
train
at
this
institution
who
really
believe
in
the
mission
who
understand
it
and
appreciate
it
and
look
forward
to
be
able
to
feel
fulfilled
the
mission
of
the
University
as
they
go
out
to
be
of
service.
We
have
falcon
II
here
who
are
committed
for
years
to
teach
and
train
the
next
generation
of
health
professionals,
and
we
have
a
very
dedicated
staff
who's
tall
in
the
trenches
every
day.
N
To
make
sure
we
all
realize
this
dream
and
this
vision
for
the
future
and
my
bosses,
members
of
the
Board
of
Trustees,
are
also
here
because
they
charged
me
with
taking
good
care
of
this
institution
in
advancing
it
to
the
next
level
for
future
generations
of
health
professionals.
That's
what
we
came
to
do
to
talk
about
to
share
with
you
a
vision
and
a
plan.
N
What
our
purpose
is
was
so
important
to
us
as
a
Health
Sciences
University
that
has
an
impact,
an
impact
that
we
believe
is
Noble
and
in
a
place
that
we
also
very
much
relish
and
preserve
and
want
to
preserve.
So
we've
been
very
thoughtful
and
accepting
the
recommendation
from
the
city
with
the
modification
that
we
were
really
focused
on
the
areas
that
are
most
impactful
for
us
right
now,
with
the
understanding
that,
as
any
other
institution
must
do.
N
As
my
board
of
trustees
is
charging
me
to
do,
I've
got
to
figure
out
how
we
continue
to
advance
an
organization.
Now
they
were
thoughtful
way,
taking
into
consideration
the
issues
and
the
concerns
from
the
neighbors,
but
those
who
live
around
us
trying
to
be
good
neighbors
by
meeting
the
concerns
that
they
have
by
addressing
storm
runoff
and
also
looking
to
see
how
we
can
do
that
in
a
way
that
allows
us
to
exist
and
for
them
to
exist
in
a
collaborative
kind
of
way.
N
So
I
appreciate
the
time
this
evening
for
you
to
hear
the
voices
of
Des
Moines
University
to
reflect
on
the
fact
that
we
didn't
just
arrive
in
this
footprint.
I
just
arrived
just
eight
years
ago,
I
accepted
their
charge
door
lead
an
organization
with
all
of
the
history
that
comes
along
with
that
all
of
the
challenges.
All
of
the
issues,
some
decisions
of
the
past
that
I
have
to
now
live
with,
but
the
reality
is
is
for
us
to
be
able
to
move
forward
as
an
institution
to
advance
an
organization.
N
A
E
N
If
that
is
true,
we
are
actually
working
on
our
RFP.
Now
that
would
be
sent
out
to
look
at
a
campus
master
plan
to
be
very
thoughtful
and
what
we
can
do
realistically
with
the
footprint
that
we
have
here,
and
we
want
to
be
very
thoughtful
and
careful
that
whatever
we
do,
of
course,
we
have
an
immediate
need
now,
which
is
expansion
of
a
parking,
and
even
though
some
years
ago
there
was,
there
was
a
request
to
to
have
parking
expanded
with
no
need
to
ever
grow.
Again.
Of
course,
the
world
has
changed.
N
No
one
would
have
imagined
that
we
would
have
more
and
more
students
not
living
across
the
street
so
down
there
more
students
having
to
drive
to
campus
because
they
choose
to
live
other
places,
so
decisions
that
were
made
are
positions
that
were
taken
some
10
years
20
years
ago,
aren't
relevant
to
us
now,
because
our
circumstances
have
changed.
The
student
body
has
changed
the
environment
that
we
live
in
has
changed,
so
we
have
to
be
mindful
the
fact
that
the
conditions
are
no
longer
the
way
they
were
twenty
years
ago.
So
it's
our
reality.
N
It's
where
we
are
now
so
we
do
want
to
be
very
thoughtful
and
looking
at
what
long-range
planning
can
be
for
us
in
our
particular
footprint,
so
we
actually
have
RFP
are
an
RFP
that
will
be
going
out
soon
to
to
assess
in
and
bring
on
board
expertise
and
planning
and
development
in
architectural
design.
To
look
at
a
campus
master
plan.
Looking
at
the
footprint,
we
have
to
see
what
the
possibilities
could
be.
N
A
You
thank
you,
dr.
Franklin,
and
so
what
we're
going
to
do
is
follow
our
procedures
and
you've
presented
your
request
and
we'll
open
the
public
hearing
and
it
allow
individuals
unless
you
speak
in
favor,
which
I
believe
you
have
mentioned,
that
there
are
some
who
wish
to
do
so
as
well
as
the
opponents
of
it
to
make
a
final
from
the
Commission
any
questions
at
all
for
mr.
Lewis
or
dr.
Franklin
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
A
You
so
this
time,
I'll
open
the
public
hearing
and
those
who
are
interested
in
speaking,
we've
got
a
just
a
couple
of
things:
one.
We
have
some
individuals
that
spoke
at
our
last
meeting
and
as
mr.
Bundy
said,
we
have
records
of
that.
So
we
would
like
to
prioritize
tonight
with
individuals
who
maybe
haven't
spoken
before
either
be
on
behalf.
Were
proponents
or
opponents,
and
everyone
needs
to
sign
me
in
with
their
sheets
state
their
name
address,
and
everyone
will
be
fast,
five
minutes
to
speak
right
all
right.
A
O
O
There
are
very
many
positive
things
to
say
about
our
organization
and
our
interaction
with
a
community
and
our
future.
So,
in
terms
of
my
longevity,
I
would
first
like
to
comment
that
we
are
no
longer
the
College
of
Osteopathic,
Medicine
and
surgery.
We
are
no
longer
the
University
of
osteopathic
medicine
and
surgery.
We
are
Des
Moines
University
in
Des
Moines,
which
is
our
home
as
you've
seen.
O
Our
current
leaders
are
very
engaged
in
the
community
and
we
are
poised
for
the
future
to
meet
our
mission
again
of
educating
highly
competent,
compassionate
health
professionals
to
improve
all
of
our
lives.
In
terms
of
my
faculty
role
as
president
of
the
organization
I'd
like
to
clarify
that
as
faculty,
we
have
three
to
four
primary
duties
and
those
include
teaching
service,
research
and
health
care.
Our
current
limited
parking
is
impacting
the
ability
of
both
faculty
and
students
to
arrive
in
time
for
class
to
take
exams
and
to
provide
patient
care.
O
In
addition,
we
have
over
400
specialized
health
care
providers
in
the
community
who
volunteer
their
time
to
come
in
and
provide
lectures
for
our
students
in
their
specialized
areas.
I
would
hope
that
every
and
those
individuals
need
to
get
the
campus.
They
leave
their
clinics,
they
have
to
find
parking
quickly,
get
to
class
and
then
leave
so
that
they
can
get
back
to
their
practices.
I
would
hope
that
everyone
in
this
room
recognizes
the
services
provided
by
our
faculty
staff
and
students
and
the
impact
on
the
community.
O
Our
faculty
during
the
day
make
trips
off
campus
to
the
capital
regarding
healthcare,
legislative,
presenting
in
elementary
junior
high
in
high
school
classrooms
across
the
metro
area
serving
on
nonprofit
boards
and
collaborating
on
research
with
local
and
state
universities.
The
list
of
services
is
extensive.
O
Our
parking
availability
is
no
longer
sufficient
for
our
faculty
staff,
students,
patients
and
other
community
visitors
to
maintain
a
level
of
professionalism
and
serve
as
role
models.
We
feel
that
we
need
to
be
prompt
for
all
of
our
activities
that
are
required,
and
this
is
a
concern,
as
one
leaves
campus
and
returns
in
terms
of
spending
15
to
20
minutes
driving
around
trying
to
find
a
parking
spot
then
to
get
on
to
our
next
class
or
patient
care.
Any
viable
business
must
remain
competitive,
relevant
to
their
stakeholders
and
plan
for
the
future.
O
Of
the
clinic
services
is
already
in
progress
in
2019,
as
mentioned,
we
are
planning
to
work
on
a
comprehensive
campus
master
plan
so
that
we
are
positioned
to
meet
our
future
goals
so
des
moines
is
a
collaborative
integrated
and
an
integral
part
of
des
moines,
with
far-reaching
impact,
as
you
have
heard
beyond,
and
across
the
city,
state
and
nation
I
think
I
speak
for
our
faculty
when
I
say
I'm,
proud
to
work
at
Des,
Moines
University
and
be
a
part
of
shaping
the
health
care
of
the
practitioners.
For
tomorrow.
O
We
look
forward
to
our
engagement
in
DM
use
future,
but
now
we
need
to
address
our
current
parking
needs
and
efficient
use
of
our
land.
While
we
respectfully
understand
the
concerns
of
the
neighborhood,
we
feel
that
we
are
good
neighbors.
We
have
been
able
to
address
issues
with
the
mobile
van
some
of
the
landscaping
issues,
the
water
retention
issue
and
I
think
that
we
continue
to
respect
those
and
will
continue
to
be
good
neighbors
to
the
area.
O
P
I'm
supporting
this
proposal,
based
on
my
observations
and
my
concerns
specific
to
my
role
as
chairperson
of
the
department
of
physical
therapy
at
Des,
Moines
University
and
a
faculty
member
I
would
like
to
specifically
address
the
parking
insufficiency
at
the
campus
reviewed
very
carefully
and
closely
the
Proceedings
of
the
previous
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
Meeting
I
listened
to
the
comments
that
were
made.
The
opposition
points
that
were
appropriately
made
and
aren't
well
articulated
carefully.
Reviewing
the
proceedings.
However,
I
felt
very
strongly
compelled
to
address
the
Commission
tonight.
P
Specifically
I
want
to
point
out
that
several
individuals
during
the
meeting
indicated
that
their
belief
was
that
des
Moines
University
did
not
have
a
parking
related
issue.
They
based
their
comments
based
on
occasionally
viewing
or
traveling
around
the
Des
Moines
University
campus
and
their
experiences
when
attending
appointments,
as
well
as
Des
Moines,
University
events
and
activities.
Although
I
do
not
dispute
the
accuracy
of
the
comments
in
which
they've
they
articulated
based
on
what
they
witnessed,
but
I
can
tell
you
as
an
individual
who
daily
experiences
the
parking
issues.
P
I
truly
respectfully
disagree
with
that
indication
that
we
do
not
have
a
parking
related
issue.
So
here
are
the
facts
that
I
would
like
to
present.
Currently
on
the
campus
of
Des
Moines
University,
there
are
723
parking
spaces.
These
spaces
must
accommodate
a
student
enrollment
of
one
thousand
five
hundred
and
ninety
seven
students,
as
well
as
three
hundred
and
forty
six
employees,
approximately
220
daily
patient
visits.
This
is
not
to
mention
the
multiple
guest
lectures
and
community
visits
visitors
that
come
to
campus.
A
minimum
number
of
parking
for
this
group
of
individuals
is
737.
P
P
The
lack
of
parking
on
campus
is
significant
to
students
and
to
employees.
It
is
not
a
trivial
concern.
Dmu,
as
it
has
been
mentioned,
is
an
urban
campus,
which
is
true.
It
is
also
a
commuter
campus.
That
means
that
all
students
and
all
employees
must
either
drive
to
campus
walk
to
campus
or
utilize
public
transportation.
P
From
my
perspective
of
what
I
record
as
a
chairperson
and
as
a
program
director,
what
I
have
duly
noted
is
a
significant
increase
in
student
tardiness
to
classes
which
significantly
has
a
negative
impact
on
the
learning
and
testing
environment.
What
I
have
also
noted,
as
a
supervisor
hourly
employees
consistently
have
difficulty
finding
parking
spots
which
results
in
their
delayed
clocking
in
if
you
will
for
their
direct
shifts.
This
equates
to
compensation
issues
and
potentially
disciplinary
related
issues.
The
impact
the
lack
of
parking
to
patients
is
equally
significant.
P
A
clinic
recorded
over
40,000
patient
visits
to
campus
last
year
alone,
a
community
and
in
this
excuse
me,
does
not
include
community
members
that
participate
in
exercise
and
wellness
weekly
programming
and
classes.
I
was
thrilled
to
hear
individuals
at
the
last
planning
meeting,
planning
and
zoning
meeting,
who
indicated
they
utilize
clinic
services
and
they
have
not
had
a
parking
situation,
but
that
is
not
the
case
for
everyone.
It
is
not
uncommon
for
patients
to
be
late
to
appointments
and
I
think
we
all
know
what
happens
with
the
domino
effect
when
one
patient
is
late.
P
Your
appointments
about
an
hour
late
after
that
it
is
also
not
a
rare
occasion
for
patients
to
literally
call
and
cancel
their
appointment
while
sitting
in
the
parking
lot,
because
they
cannot
find
a
parking
place.
During
the
past
several
years
des
Moines
University
has
attempted
to
address
the
parking
related
issues
without
having
to
expand
our
parking
footprint.
We
have
done
this
by
offering
free
public
transportation
for
students
and
faculty.
Although
many
use
this,
it's
not
a
possibility
for
everyone.
P
A
Q
I'm
chair
members
of
the
Commission,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today.
My
name
is
Kim
Tran
I
am
an
associate
professor
at
the
moment.
University
and
I
have
been
there
for
nine
years.
I
teach
and
do
cardiovascular,
research,
medical
cardiovascular,
medicine
and
I
would
like
to
spend
very
little
time
to
very
specifically
talk
about.
Q
The
two
needs
that
we
are
requesting
for,
which
is
the
the
generator
and
the
parking
specifically
to
what
have
what
has
affected
us
in
what
I
do,
and
before
saying
that,
I
would
like
to
say
that
I
concur
with
most
of
the
things
all
the
things
that
dr.
Franklin,
dr.
Morris
and
dr.
Tracy
Bush
have
mentioned.
Q
Q
Okay,
50
might
work,
so
we
spend
more
time
working
on
those
and
when
they
didn't
work,
we
lost
more
time
and
more
money,
and
these
are
these
dollars
were,
for.
My
specific
lab
were
from
the
NIH,
which
is
taxpayers
money,
and
so
that
is
just
one
incidence
and
then
later
on,
we
have
a
I
mean
with
my
lab.
Specifically,
we
do
a
lot
of
intracellular
imaging,
so
anytime,
there's
a
power
and
power
outage.
We
lost
data
because
we
prepared
for
several
days
before
that
and
that
experiment.
Q
So
that's
those
specific
things
I
feel
if
there's
a
strong
need
for
consistent
power
supply
in
our
campus.
Regarding
the
parking,
we
have
serious
parking
issue
for
the
students,
because
I'm
the
one
that
I'm,
like
any
other
faculty
I,
come
to
the
work
every
day,
sometimes
evening
and
weekends.
Although
I
have
so,
we
have
designated
slots
for
faculty,
but
not
not.
Q
We
have
had
occasions
where
the
faculty
parking
slot
were
filled,
and,
ironically,
some
of
my
colleagues
have
received
parking
tickets
on
campus
because
they
came
late,
trying
to
rush
to
a
lecture
where
students
were
waiting
in
the
classroom
and
drove
around
the
different
law
slots
and
everything
was
filled,
especially
on
event
days
or
on
examination
days,
and
they
had
to
you
know
they
had
to
end
up
park.
Parking
somewhere
was
not,
as
you
know,
designated
and
they
received
a
ticket.
So
so
we
received
a
weed.
Q
We
know
that
there's
a
definite
need
for
for
parking
and
I
work
with
a
staff.
My
research
assistants
see
routinely
had
to
park
about
three
blocks
down
the
road
to
walk
up
to
the
lab,
especially
on
offense
days
and
exams
days,
and
she
allowed
me
to
when
she
actually
asked
me
to
vote
those
things.
So,
with
those
specific
examples,
I
would
like
to
strongly
support
the
request
of
our
our
University
for
those
changes.
Thank
you.
R
Good
evening
my
name
is
Angela
böck
I
am
a
villa
encoder
in
the
clinic
at
Des,
Moines
University
I
have
had
the
privilege
of
working
for
Des
Moines
University,
since
July
2012.
There
are
many
things
that
drew
me
to
Des
Moines
University,
the
DNA
community,
being
at
the
top
of
my
list.
It's
a
beautiful
campus
with
great
people
and
I
enjoy
contributing
something,
however,
small
to
the
education
of
our
future
medical
providers
and
I'm,
proud
to
work
for
a
company
who
is
so
involved
in
the
medical
community
and
in
our
community
in
general.
R
Simply
put
my
immune
system
attack
my
central
nervous
system,
since
my
diagnosis,
I've
had
to
make
modifications
in
my
personal
life
to
accommodate
the
limitations
brought
on
by
this
disease.
I
have
not
applied
for
a
handicap
parking
permit,
because
I
feel
that
there
are
people
more
deserving
of
it
than
I
am,
but
also
if
I
did
have.
One
I
would
not
use
it
on
campus
because
those
are
parking
spaces
that
our
patients
require.
R
In
the
summer
of
2013,
it
became
abundantly
clear
that
my
form
of
FMS
is
heat
sensitive.
Anything
above
75
degrees
starts
to
become
intolerable.
The
higher
the
heat,
the
quicker
I,
feel
my
symptoms.
I
get
intense
fatigue
and
difficulty
walking,
migraines
nausea
and
the
vision
in
my
left
eye
becomes
blurry
in
August
of
this
2018
after
the
students
had
returned
to
DM
you
when
University
was
hosting
event
in
the
morning.
On
this
day,
I
was
unable
to
find
parking
on
campus
anywhere
and
due
to
the
heat,
there
was
no
way.
R
R
Dmu
has
worked
diligently
to
find
solutions
to
the
parking
issues,
but
not
all
solutions.
Work
for
everybody,
DMU
students
and
staff
can
ride
dart
for
free,
but
this
doesn't
work
for
me.
I
have
a
child
in
school
at
any
time
he
could
be
sick
or
injured,
and
I
would
need
to
leave
on
a
moment's
notice.
R
R
The
parking
issues
cause
myself
my
co-workers
and
the
students
stress
and
anxiety
and
frustration
as
well
as
loss
per
ticket
productivity
and
disruption
to
patient
care,
and/or
student
education
bond.
Closing
I
would
like
to
ask
that
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
support
the
city,
staffs
recommendation,
who
approved
the
proposal
and
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration.
Thank.
D
S
Good
evening
my
name
is
Matthew
Mahoney
I'm
a
first
year
osteopathic
medical
student
at
Des,
Moines,
University
I,
grew
up
in
Des,
Moines
and
I'm,
absolutely
thrilled
to
be
back.
Des
Moines
IV
has
turned
into
a
really
cool
city
to
be
in
for
a
young
person
and
obviously
for
everyone.
So
I
wanted
to
share
a
little
bit
about
the
parking
situation
from
a
student's
perspective
and
how
it
impacts
me
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
S
So
obviously
I
wasn't
able
to
be
at
the
last
meeting
because
we
were
on
winter
break,
but
I
was
able
to
hear
some
of
the
comments
made
from
everyone
and
it
seemed
like
there
were
some
comments
about
not
having
a
demonstrate
need
for
parking.
I
want
to
reiterate
that
we
definitely
have
a
serious
need
for
parking.
S
In
fact,
two
days
ago
we
had
it
or
I
had
a
lecture
and
I
was
headed
to
lecture
and
couldn't
find
a
parking
spot,
so
I
had
to
park
three
blocks
away
and
walk
there,
which
isn't
that
big
of
deal
for
me,
but
it
is
when
I'm
late
for
a
test
or
I'm
late
for
a
lecture
or
things
like
that.
It's
a
big
deal
so
a
few
things.
First
of
all,
students
have
to
commute.
S
We
have
students
that
have
families
that
just
living
around
the
des
moines
university
area
just
doesn't
work
for
some
students
personally
I
look
downtown,
which
is
too
far
to
walk
and
public
transportation
isn't
necessarily
convenient
for
me
and
so
I
Drive.
But
that
does
provide
a
challenge
because
we
currently
don't
have
enough
parking
for
on
every
day.
I
have
a
test.
I
have
to
get
there
roughly
30
to
45
minutes
early,
just
to
make
sure
that
I'm
not
gonna
run
into
a
parking
issue,
because
the
reality
is
if
I'm
late
for
our
test.
S
T
My
name
is
Teresa,
fuller,
I
am
also
a
student
at
Des,
Moines,
University
I.
Think
that
did
a
great
job
of
making
the
points
of
how
stressful
it
can
be
for
a
student
with
the
parking
situation,
I
would
like
to
speak
a
little
bit
on
the
idea
of
limiting
resources.
So
when
we
limit
resources
like
power
and
we
limit
resources
like
parking
places,
we
limit
our
ability
to
progress
and
to
grow
and
to
meet
the
ever-changing
ever-growing
demands
of
healthcare.
T
We
cannot
expand
the
services
we
provide
at
our
clinic
because
they
don't
our
patients,
don't
have
a
place
to
park
and
we
cannot
hire
new
or
more
providers
because
again
we
don't
have
those
places
to
park
and
when
we're
limiting
those
things,
we're
limiting
our
ability
to
care
for
the
community
and
I
can
personally
speak
on
the
personal
sacrifices
that
myself
and
my
fellow
students
have
made,
because
we
want
to
help
people.
We
want
to
get
a
great
education.
T
T
U
Madam
chair
Commission,
for
spending
your
time
to
hear
from
us
this
evening.
I
am
speaking
in
support
of
Des
Moines
University's
application.
This
evening,
I
am
Phil.
Bloomberg
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
clinic
I,
don't
know.
If
you
know
much
about
the
clinic,
we
are
multi-specialty
clinic
on
the
dmu
campus.
U
One
of
the
things
that
we
provide
in
addition
to
patient
care
are
important
student
rotations,
so
they
get
clinical
experience
before
they
go
out
into
their
residences
and
start
providing
hands-on
care
to
the
community
through
the
Charter
that
we
have
at
the
University
and
that
charge
that
we
have
at
the
University.
We
actually
graduate
more
students
going
into
family
practice
and
primary
care
residences
than
anybody
in
the
country.
That's
allopathic
and
osteopathic
schools
combined.
U
I
want
to
touch
on
both
issues
this
evening,
the
parking
and
the
energy
issue
that
will
be
addressed
by
the
generator
first
I
want
to
touch
on
the
parking
which
affects
my
role,
most
most
directly
I'd
say,
or
at
least
most
often
in
Crete
I
heard
some
concerns
from
the
last
meeting
that
increased
parking
might
increase.
The
traffic
onto
campus
I
I
would
respectfully
disagree
with
that.
The
traffic
coming
to
campus
is
the
traffic
coming
to
campus.
U
Nothing
is
going
to
change
in
terms
of
the
number
of
people
coming
to
campus.
What
will
change
by
adding
parking
is
that
they
will
remain
on
campus
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
I
receive
phone
calls
from
providers
staff
and
even
patients
who
say
I
can't
come
to
my
appointment.
I've
been
circling
the
parking
lots,
all
of
them
that
are
on
this
map
here
and
cannot
find
a
place
to
park,
and
so
I'm
not
coming
in
to
my
appointment.
U
But
what
they
also
say
is
not
only
have
I
just
circled
the
Lots
I've
actually
exited
one
part
of
campus
gotten
back
on
grand
entered
back
on
the
other
side
of
campus
and
done
that
loop,
multiple
times
looking
for
parking.
So
what
we're
really
doing
is
increasing
the
traffic
on
Grand,
not
decreasing
the
traffic
on
Grand,
because
by
not
having
more
parking,
many
of
our
patients
have
ambulation
issues.
You
may
be
aware
that
we
have
a
podiatry
clinic.
Many
of
those
patients
are
post-operative
patients.
Many
of
those
patients
have
clubfoot
and
have
mobility
issues.
U
Many
of
those
patients
have
Charcot,
which
is
essentially
a
condition
where
the
foot
has
collapsed
upon
itself.
They
cannot
be
weight-bearing
on
that
foot.
Many
of
those
patients
have
diabetic
ulcers
where
they
cannot
put
pressure
on
their
feet.
We
are
one
of
the
only
if
not
the
only
podiatry
practice
provides
the
full
spectrum
of
Podiatric
care
in
the
Des
Moines
area.
U
It's
important
that
we
can
accommodate
these
patients
and
they
can
get
to
their
appointments
and,
in
fact,
I
have
run
into
multiple
patients
who
are
on
crutches
who
are
coming
up
from
31st
Street
in
the
neighborhood
to
make
it
to
their
appointment
because
they
couldn't
find
parking.
That
is
not
good
patient
care.
We
can
accommodate
that.
We
can
make
a
difference
by
expanding
our
parking.
Many
of
our
physical
therapy
patients
are
presenting
with
back
pain,
cannot
ambulate.
U
U
U
A
A
U
K
I'm,
a
Jackie
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
had
stated
clearly
that
we're
prioritizing
people
who
have
not
spoken
before
or
if
you
have
an
issue
that
is
new
that
has
arisen
from
the
last
meeting.
Definitely
please
address
that.
Otherwise,
all
of
the
comments
that
were
made
at
the
last
meeting
have
already
been
received
in
the
minutes.
Thank
You.
V
Cathy
Furman
34:19
st.
John's
Road
madam
chair
commissioners,
I
am
currently
serving
as
a
secretary
treasurer
for
the
Greenwood
historic
neighborhood
association
and
previously
served
three
years
as
the
president
I
would
like
to
start
by
giving
you
a
brief
history
of
how
we
arrived
here
today
to
oppose
this
request.
V
This
map
that
the
first
map
in
your
packet
was
created
in
2016
because
of
requests
that
came
before
both
the
Zoning
Board
of
Adjustment
and
the
plan
and
Zoning
Commission
regarding
a
property
at
38:16,
John,
Lynch
Road.
It
gave
our
association
and
the
Des
Moines
City
Council
an
understanding
of
the
impact
of
water
on
our
neighborhood,
both
you
and
the
Zoning
Board
of
Adjustment
denied
the
requests
based
on
our
presentations,
and
we
thank
you
for
that.
Your
decision
was
appealed
to
the
City
Council
and
was
denied.
V
At
that
time
we
thought
we
had
a
good
understanding
of
our
water
issues.
Then
last
year,
on,
January
16th
des
Moines
University
held
a
meeting
to
discuss
their
first
run
at
this
project.
Prior
to
the
start
of
the
meeting,
I
had
a
conversation
with
Mark
Pfeiffer.
He
said
that
this
was
going
to
be
a
great
thing
for
our
neighborhood,
because
dmu
was
going
to
be
cleaning
out
that
detention
pond
on
their
property
that
had
silted
in
over
the
years.
V
This
was
a
surprise
to
me,
because
I
had
never
seen
anything
on
their
property
that
looked
like
a
detention.
Pond
I
met
with
mr.
Pfeiffer
the
next
morning
to
explain
the
damage
that
their
negligence
had
caused
in
our
neighborhood
and
that,
in
my
opinion,
it
could
be
a
public
relations
problem
for
the
University.
They
withdrew
their
request.
That
afternoon.
V
V
Next
I
would
like
to
discuss
the
costs
that
Des
Moines
University's
negligence
has
caused
our
neighborhood
and
the
City
of
Des
Moines
regarding
monetary
costs.
The
city
has
purchased
and
demolished
flooded
homes
and
has
repaired
streets
due
to
flood
waters.
These
costs
are
paid
for
by
the
taxpayers
of
Des
Moines.
As
the
result
of
the
actions
of
a
nonprofit
tax-exempt
organization.
V
V
V
V
This
might
be
done
by
creating
smaller
stalls
for
compact
cars
and
simply
restriping
the
current
parking
areas
that
small
blue
box
you
see
on
this
map
represents
the
generator
just
glancing
at
this
map.
You
see
there
are
numerous
locations
on
the
existing
campus
where
it
could
be
placed,
including
building
rooftops.
They
do
have
other
options.
V
I
am
asking
that
you
deny
the
request
from
Des
Moines
University.
For
the
same
reasons
you
denied
the
request
from
the
property
owner
on
John
Lindh
Road
are
you?
The
question
you
have
to
ask
yourselves
tonight
is:
are
you
going
to
treat
a
tax-exempt
organization
that
has
deep
political
connections
in
this
town?
The
same
way
you
treated
an
individual
tax,
paying
property
owner?
Thank
you.
W
Hi,
my
name
is
Lance
stager
I've
lived
in
the
neighborhood
to
the
south
of
Des
Moines
University
for
12
years,
and
was
the
Neighborhood
Association
president
for
a
number
of
years
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
Amit.
Lee
proposes
oppose
this
request
for
rezoning
because
they
just
think
it's
not
necessary
and
it's
a
short-term
approach
is
solving
something
that
dmu
is
gonna,
face
parking
issues
as
they
expand
far
into
the
future.
The
first
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
this
map
here.
W
Let's
just
be
clear:
the
percentages
that
Eric
mentioned
and
I
know
this
is
inadvertent,
but
you
know
the
against
is
12.2%,
but
if
you
look,
Wesly
acres
has
50%
of
its
awaited
right.
So
Rob
crutsinger
is
the
CEO
who
we've
dealt
with
many
times.
It
has
half
the
vote
and
it's
in
Rob's
he's
in
league
with
the
Moines
University.
W
As
we
talked
about
last
time,
Wesley
acres
was
already
crossed
into
the
residential
neighborhood,
the
pitched
it
as
a
path
it
was
woodchips
initially
to
dump
leaves
in
the
back
and
now
it's
a
three
storey
building
with
light
pollution
and
a
noise
pollution
that
Scott
Carlson
mentioned.
Last
time
right,
so,
if
you
approve
this
you're
setting
precedents
for
Des
Moines
for
Wesley
acres
to
apply
for
rezoning
and
their
area
has
more
flat
area
the
the,
and
so
they
could
go
even
deeper
in
the
woods
only
to
the
backs
of
the
homes
on
st.
John.
W
W
Maybe
a
few
people
live
in
the
one
condo
building
you've
got
Wesley
acres
and
you've
got
the
approve
votes
of
the
properties
at
Des,
Moines,
University,
bawd,
and
one
thing
I
would
say,
is
if
you
think
for
a
second
that
this
is
just
about
parking
you're
kidding
yourself,
because
there's
no
reason
why
they'd
be
buying
up
homes
and
in
making
you
know
asking
essentially
really
pressing
neighbors
to
sell
their
homes
if
they
didn't
have
plans
to
expand
their
campus
to
the
south.
That's
the
only
reason
why
you'd
be
buying
those
homes
up
along
31st.
W
This
isn't
just
about
parking.
This
is
about
campus
expansion
to
the
south,
and
another
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about
was
the
pitch.
Our
howdy
mu
has
conducted
themselves
throughout
this
process.
The
president
mentioned
that
they've
got
a
noble
history.
The
faculty
Lehman
earlier
mentioned.
They
respectfully
understand
the
neighborhood.
W
W
This
is
the
fifth
meeting
I've
attended
with
them
and
they
finally
bring
real
representation.
We've
had
grasses
grass,
oh
and
pfeiffer,
here,
never
substantiating
in
in
the
previous
meetings.
Any
of
the
parking
need
now.
We've
got
some
anecdotal
evidence,
a
lot
of
it
around
being
late
for
tests
and
so
forth.
W
Our
residents
are
concerned
about
the
well-being
of
their
children
when
the
water
runs
just
down
that
hill
and
now
they're
gonna,
add
to
it
we're
concerned
about
our
home
values,
far
greater
issues
and
being
late
for
a
test
which
you
could
plan
for,
in
which
you
control.
We
don't
control
how
much
water
they're
gonna
send
down
that
hill
by
expanding
this
property.
W
So
one
of
the
things
we
wanted
to
talk
about
was
the
the
other
options.
We've
not
seen
this
master
plan
I
am
in
full
agreement
with
Kathy
that
something
that
bmu
should
explore
is
adding
additional
building
vertical
they're,
trying
to
solve
a
problem
of
an
urban
campus
by
destroying
residential
green
space
and
in
causing
all
kinds
of
problems
like
displacing
homes
washing
out
homes.
It
makes
no
sense
they
could
build
vertically
on
other
garages
long-term.
W
Instead,
they
want
to
take
the
expedient
route
and
destroy
homes.
It
makes
no
sense,
and
so
it's
not
hard
to
infer
that
this
parking
request
is
a
Trojan
horse,
they're
buying
up
the
homes,
it's
easy
to
see
and
eventually
forcing
all
these
homewards
out
of
their
property,
because
if
you
approve
this,
there's
going
to
be
construction
going
on
for
years
and
eventually,
Ruth
and
Barb,
will
you
stand
up
right?
W
Ruthven,
barbara
I've
lived
in
this
neighborhood
for
29
years
in
those
homes,
so
they're
now,
surrounded
by
homes
that
dmu
has
purchased.
They
earn
a
living,
doing
landscaping
and
gardening
in
the
neighborhood
and
basically
Des
Moines,
University
or
now
is
telling
them
to
get
out
that
that's
what
this
is
tantamount
to
is
to
Moines
University
telling
them
to
get
out
of
their
homes
and.
X
Thank
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
My
name
is
Mary
Claire,
Usul,
ding
and
I
live
at
3223
on
wood
drive,
I
have
a
ringside
seat
to
the
all
the
property
that
we
are
talking
about
tonight.
First
of
all,
let
me
say
that
this
is
not
about
questioning
more
universities,
noble
presence
or
their
need
to
move
forward
or
whether
they
put
our
good
health
care
provider.
Nobody's
questioning
mean
any
of
that
any
of
those
points
that
they
brought
up
tonight,
but
they
have
not
acted
as
a
good
corporate
citizen.
X
The
I'm,
not
gonna,
repeat
all
the
things
you
may
hear
from
other
people
about
the
water
conditions
and
the
value
of
the
wooded
area,
but
I
do
have
a
couple
of
things
to
say
tonight
that
I,
don't
believe
have
been
drawn
out
before
it
should
come
as
no
news
to
anybody
here
in
this
room
that
des
Moines
is
on
a
roll
I
mean
it's
growing.
You
see
that
in
the
population,
the
construction
entertainment,
you
name
it
and
with
that
inevitably
comes
increasing
pressure
to
build
on
every
empty
square-foot
available.
X
Granting
the
Des
Moines
University
proposal
would
set
a
very
unhappy
precedent,
in
my
view,
for
other
corporate
enterprises
that
want
to
try
to
expand
their
footprint
into
land
whose
historic
function
has
been
exactly
to
prevent
such
incursions.
They
made
a
point
of
emphasizing
that
they
have,
since
our
last
meeting
reduced
the
area
that
they
wish
to
rezone
right
now.
They
also
let
slip
at
that
meeting.
I,
don't
know
if
you
noticed
it
or
not
that
they
plan
to
proceed
with
their
campus
development.
X
Incremental
II
put
those
two
things
together
and
what
you
come
up
with
is
a
pretty
clear
conviction
that,
sometime
over
the
next
two
three
four
or
five
years,
they're
going
to
be
asking
for
more
variances
down
into
the
our
180
area,
and
that
is
what
impacts
all
of
us
as
what
what
they
want
to
do.
Right
now
impacts
us,
but
that
is
a
major
concern
that
this
is
just
someone
said.
A
Trojan
horse,
I
was
going
to
say
the
camels
nose
under
the
tent.
It
means
the
same
thing.
X
This
is
just
the
beginning
of
what
can
be
a
long
and
drawn-out
and
very
painful
process.
I
bought
my
property
on
Elmwood,
with
the
understanding
that
Des
Moines
University
by
ordinance
couldn't
build
on
the
hill.
It's
my
single
biggest
asset,
where
I
hope
to
live
out
the
rest
of
my
days
and
leave
the
value.
It's
a
substantial
part
of
what
my
estate
will
be
now,
that
is
all
under
siege
Des
Moines
University
wants
to
overturn
the
protective
ordinance
rezone
incremental
II.
X
Make
no
mistake:
it's
not
just
about
parking,
it's
not
just
about
a
generator
to
eat
away
at
precisely
the
land.
They
promised
not
to
touch
again
the
area
that,
for
more
than
a
century,
has
been
undisturbed
a
natural
sanctuary
in
the
midst
of
an
urban
neighborhood,
the
human
cost
is
enormous.
I
know
I
speak
for
my
neighbors
on
Elmwood
Drive,
when
I
when
I
say
some
of
this,
but
right
now,
I
was
speaking
for
myself.
We
have
similar
feelings.
This
is
an
agonizing
ordeal.
X
The
thought
of
what
might
happen
this
year,
two
years
from
now
five
years
on
into
an
indefinite
future,
keeps
me
awake.
Most
nights
started
to
affect
my
health
and
it's
a
source
of
great
anxiety.
The
drip
drip
drip
of
these
threats
and
shenanigans
have
to
stop
once
and
for
all,
and
now
is
the
time
to
do
it.
X
How
steep
that
grade
really
is
anything
built
there,
and
you
can
be
sure
that
something
will
be
built
there
well
what
they
would
like
to
put
something
there
would
absolutely
loom
over
our
houses
and
that's
a
very
suffocating
process
to
consider
they
do
have
other
options.
I
firmly
believe
for
enlarging
their
parking.
I
have
no
doubt
they
need
it,
but
there
are
other
options
and
I'm
glad
they're
doing
a
master
plan.
This
is
the
time
a
new
amount
master
plan,
I've
been
through
one
of
these
in
another
institution.
Y
Y
Water
quantity
was
our
largest
risk
factor
currently
or
is
our
largest
risk
factor
currently,
and
this
placement
of
any
water
will
have
substantial
impact
on
our
neighborhood
because
of
this
I
spoke
with
a
professor
from
the
Illinois
University
of
Illinois
Chicago,
who
has
a
doctorate
degree
in
civil
engineering
and
I,
asked
him
to
read
over
the
proposed
stormwater
plan
associated
with
this
project.
He
has
looked
over
hundreds
of
similar
plans
and
hope
numerous
communities
implement
best
management
practices
for
water
quality
and
quantity.
Y
After
reading
over
this
plan,
he
has
concerns
about
how
the
water
Basin
is
designed.
His
comment
was
that
any
storage
of
water
below
the
bottom
of
an
outlet
won't
effectively
control
water
quantity.
He
commented
that
in
this
case,
dredging
of
the
basin
helped
its
aesthetics,
but
will
not
protect
our
neighborhood
from
storm
water
quantity.
Y
His
comments,
aligned
with
those
of
our
local
professionals
from
the
Polk
County
Soil
and
Water
Department,
who
stated
that
the
city
would
be
responsible
for
managing
the
additional
runoff
as
a
result
of
this
project.
We
are
a
historic
neighborhood
that
has
been
here
long
before
dmu
and
other
large
complexes
lined
Grand
Avenue
D
mu
has
a
parking
issue,
but
we
have
a
lost
homes
and
have
a
safety
issue
and
one
need
outweighs
the
other.
F
F
Put
up
with
a
lot
of
problems,
the
one
thing
historically
that
never
changes,
and
that
is
water,
always
runs
downhill
and
we're
on
the
receiving
end.
Okay,
no
question
about
it
and
that's
one
of
the
big
concerns
that
we
have
our
residence
is
two
blocks
from
the
intersection
of
Elmwood
Drive
and
short
view
Drive,
where
diem
use
runoff
comes
down
into
the
city's
storm
sewer
facility,
there's
been
a
history
of
a
home
that
had
to
be
bought
by
the
city.
You
all
know
that
history.
F
Drive
downtown
everyday
and
we
work
most
of
my
life
six
days
a
week,
so
I
went
through
this
intersection
twice
a
day
many
times.
I
would
have
to
go
around
this
intersection
because
of
the
flooding,
the
water,
the
water
freezing
in
the
winter
time
and
the
debris
sometimes
I'd,
stop
and
get
out
of
my
car
and
pull
logs
that
had
come
down
from
up
in
the
woods
horse
down
there
from
diem
used
property.
F
F
Agreement
and
a
condition
that
they
would
not
ask
for
more
parking
at
that
point
in
time.
Reasonable
management
would
start
planning
if
they're
expanding
their
programming
and
gonna
need
more
progress
of
parking.
They
would
consider
how
they're
going
to
address
that,
rather
than
waiting
at
to
this
point
in
time.
F
18
years
later
and
coming
in
and
asking
I
mean
if
the
parking
is
that
bad
they're
only
going
to
get
about
40
some
additional
parking
spaces
on
what
they're
asking
for
two
or
three
years,
we're
going
to
be
in
the
same
position,
I
think
there's
the
credibility
of
Des
Moines
University's
approach
to
our
neighborhood
has
been
very
poor
and
the
seven
conditions
that
you
look
at
in
staff
recommendations
for
the
limited
are
for
they
go
to
issues
of
Des
Moines
University,
not
honoring
what
they
said.
They
would
do
maintain
the
retention
system.
F
It's
very
important
that
you
look
closely
at
the
seven
conditions
in
the
staff
report,
because
I
think
you'll
see
that
accountability,
why
the
staff
is
thought
to
be
very
important.
It's
on
the
last
page
and
as
I
understand
it.
Dmu
is
agreeable
to
all
of
them
subject
to
a
change
in
number
seven,
which
basically
ends
by
saying
if
dmu
does
not
take
care
of
its
retention
pond
and
protect
all
of
us
single.
Z
Z
My
first
house
was
on
31st
Street
I
moved
there
specifically,
because
my
brother
was
going
to
attend
EMU,
so
he
could
just
walk
out
the
back
gate
and
go
up
to
class,
so
he
didn't
have
to
deal
with
any
parking
issues.
I
sold
that
house
in
2012
to
DMU.
They
told
me
they
were
going
to
use
it
for
a
students
and
visiting
professors
and
the
like
and
I
bought
a
house
down
the
street
on
Elmwood
Drive
32:15
alma
drive
it's
kind
of
ground
zero
for
this
water
issue.
Z
Is
that
you
can't
solve
gravity
in
geography
and,
as
someone
else
mentioned
before,
the
the
map,
the
aerial
view
does
not
show
the
hill
a
lot
of
the
the
land
in
the
are
180
square
there.
This
is
probably
never
going
to
be
developed
unless
they
somehow
it
would
fill
it
in
and
build
on
top
of
it.
But
I
don't
think
that's
a
reasonable
option.
Z
The
the
velocity
and
volume
of
the
water-
and
this
happens-
this
isn't
like
a
one-off
every
year.
This
is
four
or
five
times
a
year.
It's
just
incredible
to
behold:
I
lost
a
retaining
wall
during
our
big
storm
in
July.
Was
it
into
June
early
July
in
stability'
this
same
limestone
bricks,
slabs
that
are
lining
that
outlet
on
Alma
Drive,
those
things
are
100
150
pounds
of
pop
I
was
picking
them
up
after
the
storm.
It
was
back-breaking
work.
The
water
that
comes
down
through
that
outlet
has
pushed
those
limestone
blocks.
Z
As
far
as
this
parking
lot
goes,
you
I've
heard
from
dmu
I,
don't
think
that's
gonna
solve
much
of
the
problem
that
the
number
of
spaces
are
talking
about.
I
think
they
need
another
ramp
and
you
know
eventually
I
think
there.
As
other
people
have
mentioned
they're
going
to
have
to
go
north,
you
can
have
to
go
across
Grand,
so
I
think.
AA
Scot
Carlson
31.5,
37th
Street
I,
live
right
about
here
next
to
well
right
about
here.
Next
to
Wesley,
Akers
and
I'm,
going
to
talk
a
little
bit.
I
thought
a
little
bit
last
time
about
unintended
consequences
about
being
next
to
a
large,
not-for-profit,
a
care
facility.
It's
the
noise
and
it's
the
bother
that
you
get
as
they
encroach
past
where
they
said
they
we're
gonna
go
and
Wesley
has
moved
quite
a
few
times
south
when
they
said
they
weren't
going
to
move
again.
AA
Normally
they
would
build
parking
lots
because
they
said
they
needed
parking
and
they
put
a
building
there
and
that
and
then
they
said
we
need
more
parking
because
we
put
a
new
building
in
and
then
they
put
new
parking
in.
They
put
another
new
building
in
and
they
said
hey.
We
need
more
parking
because
we
have
another
new
building
and
then
they
added
a
adult
daycare
like
a
clinic.
AA
The
clinic
wasn't
always
with
TMU
was
adding
their
location
and
also
we
have
more
traffic
because
we
have
adult
daycare
coming
in
and
they
need
a
place
to
park
and
do
their
adult
daycare.
So
we
need
more
parking.
So
you
can
kind
of
see
where
that's
going
and
things
do
change.
The
president
from
dmu
talked
about
change.
AA
She
will
not
be
there,
probably
in
ten
years
or
twenty
years
or
thirty
years,
it'll
be
another
president
picking
up
some
of
that
weight,
but
the
neighborhood
will
still
be
there
and
if
you
allow
these
things
to
occur,
it'll
be
in
worse
shape
and
the
folks
that
are
seeing
here
and
the
folks
that
are
seeing
there
will
be
gone
and
everybody
else
and
the
neighbor
will
be
holding
a
bag.
Okay,
when
you
have
parking,
you
have
people
that
chirp
their
doors
and
they
lock
to
make
sure
the
doors
lock.
AA
So,
as
you
encroach
the
neighborhood,
you
get
to
hear
that
every
time
they
come
and
go,
they
like
to
remote
start
the
car
in
the
wintertime,
because
it's
cold
out,
so
you
get
to
hear
that
run.
You
get
to
hear
blades
of
plows
coming
at
4:00
in
the
morning,
dropping
the
blade
right
through
the
whole
entire
parking
lot
as
they
drop
that
blade
and
it
wakes
you
up
at
4:00
in
the
morning
going
what
the
heck
is
going
on
behind
me.
You
also
get
to
hear
the
reserves
that
reverse
lights.
AA
AA
They
cut
down
trees
because
they
become
a
nuisance
right.
They
become,
they
become
a
problem,
so
they
cut
down
hundred-year-old
Oaks
because
they're
just
a
nuisance,
not
thinking
about
what
they
do
and
change
the
topography,
and
maybe
some
blockage
of
a
sight
and
sound
did-
is
take
them
down
because
they're,
a
business
they're,
not
a
true
neighbor
equipment,
maintenance,
the
generator
I'm
gonna
talk
about
that,
because
I
have
lots
of
equipment
by
Wesley,
Akers
TMU
stated
on
their
own
25
times
the
doctor
or
the
research
doctor
25
times,
I
lost
power.
AA
That
generator
is
the
size
of
a
Mack
truck
bed
and
it's
diesel.
So
when
that
thing
goes
off
25
times
at
2:00
in
the
morning
4:00
in
the
morning,
it's
loud
I
guarantee
it
that's
why
they
don't
want
to
close
to
their
campus,
but
the
whole
neighborhood
will
hear
the
whole
neighborhood
25
times,
and
then
they
also
said-
and
we
also
got
tested
a
few
times
too
so
probably
another
20
times
during
that
time.
AA
There's
a
need
for
parking.
I
heard
the
students
talk
about
it,
every
student
that
came
up
and
talks
that
they
know
when
they
need
parking.
It's
not
a
surprise.
It's
test
day
its
lecture
day,
it's
event
day,
every
place
that
you
go
to.
If
you
go
down
to
a
concert
downtown
it's
hard
to
find
parking.
Why
there's
a
concert
downtown
if
you
go
by
the
cot
of
the
cub
stadium
on
a
baseball
day?
AA
D
mu
is
an
8
to
5
business
and
it's
a
business.
It's
big.
They
are
not
living
there.
24
hours
a
day,
Wesley
Akers
asked
AB
more
parking
since
I've
moved
in
the
neighborhood
nine
years,
I'm
saying
same
boat
and
they
came
to
me
and
said:
hey
it's
gonna
be
coming
up
to
your
property.
I
would
really
like
to
get
your
approval.
I
was
new
and
I
said:
hey,
you
know
a
couple
things.
AA
Ploys
are
really
loud,
violent,
stuff
and
the
trash
trucks
are
really
loud
back
there
would
you
mind
just
not
putting
any
of
that
with
that
new
parking
is
sure,
that'd
be
great,
that
President
or
general
manager
of
Wesley
moved
on
six
months
later,
and
staff
changed
and
all
the
employee
parking
was
now
they're.
All
the
trash
was
now
there
and
all
the
plowing
happened
whenever
all
the
rest
of
town
tapped
in
at
4:00
in
the
morning.
It
wasn't.
I
I
I
For
all
of
these
reasons,
and
the
reasons
that
the
residents
are
going
to
share,
we
asked
the
request
before
you
be
denied.
Please
do
not
forget.
In
2000
des
Moines
University
and
the
City
of
Des
Moines
made
a
promise
to
the
residents
of
our
neighborhood
that
no
further
expansion
would
occur
on
the
green
space
to
the
south
of
their
campus.
There
shall
be
no
further
extension
of
parking
to
serve
the
use
occurring
upon
the
property
and
to
any
of
the
adjoining
land
zone
to
a
single-family
residential
district
classification.
I
This
was
the
agreement
des
Moines
University
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines
made.
There
is
no
talk
of
formality
in
the
April
11th
2001
in
Commission
meeting
transcript.
The
only
concern
mentioned
was
Des
Moines
University's
encroachment
on
our
neighborhood.
This
was
the
agreement
that
resulted
from
that
concern.
I
If
Des
Moines
University
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines,
are
now
allowed
to
change
that
agreement
and
remove
this
condition
to
suit
their
needs,
how
much
faith
can
we
have
in
the
process
and
are
appointed
and
elected
leaders
who
make
these
decisions
as
appointed
and
elected
officials?
It
is
your
civic
duty
to
honor
your
commitments
and
agreements
that
are
made
to
your
constituents
to
the
Zoning
Commission
here
tonight
in
the
City
of
Des
Moines
I
humbly.
Ask
that
you
deny
this
request
and
protect
the
Greenwood
historic
neighborhood
and
its
residents
to
Des
Moines
University.
I
AB
AB
Last
time
the
I
showed
a
video
I
showed
one
of
two
I
actually
submitted
both
but
I
told
you
that
it
was
12
hours
after
the
large
rain
that
we
had
at
the
end
of
June,
when
in
fact
it
was
actually
24
hours
and
my
son
was
the
one
that
took
it
and
I
want
you
to
see
the
second
of
the
videos
so
that
you
have-
and
this
has
already
been
submitted.
But
you
have
you'll
get
a
sense
of
how
much
water
24
hours
after
the
rain
that
we
had
now
that
was
bigger
than
average.
AB
But
whoever
said
we
have
four
or
five
of
those
a
year
is
right.
We
do
in
fact
have
four
or
five
of
those
a
year
where
we
have
significant
water
that
comes
down
behind
our
property
in
the
property
below.
There
is
also
another
error
that
we
have
some
kind
of
storm
sewer
system,
because
we
don't
all
of
that
behind
our
house.
It's
a
ditch.
It
is
a
ditch.
There
is
no
storm
sewer
and
it's
just
eroding
eroding
and
roading
that
property,
and
it's
not
just
our
property.
It's
all
those
properties.
AB
AB
You
know,
I
I
I
was
a
little
surprised
by
the
way
that
Des
Moines
University
completely
approached
this
because
to
me
I,
you
know:
I
went
to
a
little
college,
I
don't
have
an
advanced
degree,
but
I
know
that
what
attorneys
do
what
what
physicians
do
is
as
evidence-based
and
yet
I
haven't
seen
the
evidence
I've
seen
the
heavens
I've
seen
a
lot
of
anecdotes
I've.
Seen
really.
AB
You
know
heart
heart
jerking
things
I
took
care
of
someone
who
had
the
same
condition
when
I
was
in
college.
So
I
know
what
someone
who
suffers
from
a
chronic
disease
has
to
go
through,
but
the
reality
is
where's.
The
evidence.
Where
are
the
cameras?
Where
is
the
where's
the
population?
Where
is
the
census
of
the
cars
going
in
and
out
I
mean
you
do
t?
Does
it
all
the
time
it's
easy
to
do
it's
but
they've
been
doing
it
for
years
and
years.
AB
There's
nothing
there
and
it
just
shows
I
mean
if
there
was
really
concern.
Why
would
you
be
doing
a
30
year
plan
after
you
can't
come
to
the
city
and
ask
for
changes
in
the
zoning?
Why
would
you
not
do
the
plan
first
determine
if
you
need
changes
in
the
zoning
that
just
doesn't
make
any
sense,
so
I
really
don't
believe
that
I
don't
believe
that
they're
coming
here,
thinking
that
they're
gonna
do
a
30
year
plan
they're
not
doing
a
30
year
plan
they've
got
change.
The
zoning
and
they're
gonna
do
what
they
want.
AC
Madam
chairman,
commissioners,
my
name
is
Mary
torgul
Minh
I
have
lived
at
214,
31st
Street
for
30
years,
my
family
or
80
years
in
this
name
in
this
Greenwood
neighborhood,
so
I'm
very
I'm,
very
moved
by
this
neighborhood
I
care
a
lot
about
it.
In
that
time,
I've
seen
the
gradual
encroachment
of
dmu
on
the
neighborhood,
changing
it
changing
is
the
quality
of
his
life
and
the
environment.
AC
The
you've
heard
about
the
runoff
of
the
water
and
I
couldn't
take
it.
I
could
agree
that
9.
It
has
not
been
adequately
tended
to
until
just
recently,
and
we
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
work
the
pavement
behind
the
houses
along
the
backyards
of
houses
on
31st
Street,
which
is
the
agreement
that
was
made
and
is
now
being
asked
to
be
broken.
That
was
not
welcome
in
the
first
place,
so
you
know
that
it's
not
welcome
again.
AC
The
quiet
buying
up
of
houses
and
renting
to
students
and
others
on
31st
Street
has
created
additional
damage
that
creates
a
kind
of
transcend
see
in
the
neighborhood.
He
creates
crowding
there,
at
least
in
I,
can
count
up
to
four
cars
belonging
to
just
one
three-bedroom
house
and
they're
more
than
four
adults
in
some
of
these
houses.
AC
The
college-
it
appears,
has
not
paid
much
attention
to
us
until
now,
but
they
want
to
rezone
this
wooded
area
behind
our
houses,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
we
chose
to
live
here
in
the
first
place,
and
it's
a
stretch
of
natural
beauty
of
the
many
kinds
of
creatures
that
live
there.
They
bring
us
enjoyment,
as
well
as
the
birds,
bring
me
particular
enjoyment
and
that's
something
we
want
to
keep
forever
for
others.
AC
The
problem
is,
as
I
said,
that
this
school
has
grown
so
so
much
that
it
aspires
to
be
a
university
or
it's
is
a
university,
but
it
does
not
have
the
space
to
be
a
university
and
I
think
it
has
to
do
what
other
places
like
Mayo
or
other.
You
know,
medical
schools
or
universities
have
to
do,
and
that
is
to
find
a
second
campus
and
they
could
put
their
animal
experimentation
on
that
second
campus,
along
with
a
big
generator,
it
could
have
more
parking.
AC
AC
I
talked
to
a
city
forester
about
trees,
because
it's
something
very
important:
we
have
very
old
36
inch
oak
trees
in
that
forest,
and
they
should
stay.
You
know
how
long
it
takes
to
grow
an
old
cut
that
substantial
'ti
of
that
size,
but
they
will
be
torn
down
the
reason
the
city
was
planting.
Trees,
all
along
Grand,
Avenue
and
other
streets
is,
is
to
combat
water
damage
and
to
combat
the
heat
effect
coming
from
concrete
and
mature
trees
are
even
better
at
that.
AC
AC
AD
My
name
is
bill
or
she
ran,
but
3511
st.
John's
Road
I'd
like
to
thank
each
of
the
commissioners
here
tonight
for
your
service
to
Des
Moines,
the
Greenwood,
historic,
Neighborhood,
Association
and
all
of
Des
Moines
is
proud,
Devine
University,
it's
well-maintained
campus,
its
hard-working
students
and
faculty.
It
has
an
important
mission
in
the
world.
Conversely,
I
hope
that
Des
Moines
University
is
proud
of
the
neighborhood
where
it
is
located.
Our
homeowners
have
worked
hard
to
preserve
its
history
and
the
quality
of
its
homes.
AD
Our
neighborhood
creates
a
favorable
environment
for
the
students
and
faculty
and
hopefully
is
a
positive
factor
in
recruiting
new
students
as
homeowners.
We
hope
to
have
a
reciprocal
relationship
with
DMU.
We
will
try
to
preserve
the
quality
of
our
homes
at
our
neighborhood
and
we
ask
nothing
of
dmu
other
than
they
try
to
be
good
neighbors.
We
hope
the
DMU
will
recognize
that
many
of
us
have
lived
here
for
10
20
30
years
and
that
we
have
raised
our
families
here
and
for
most
of
us,
our
homes
represent
our
largest
financial
asset.
AD
This
is
not
a
commercial
real
estate
district
and
it
is
not
just
dollars
and
cents.
It
is
a
commitment
to
preserving
our
quality
of
life
and
to
be
a
good
neighbor.
Dmu
is
a
very
successful
institution.
Its
physical
footprint
and
its
endowment
have
increased.
It
has
a
very
capable
management,
a
respected
Board
of
Directors,
and
it's
very
well-connected
in
the
community.
It
has
the
money
and
influence
to
get
what
it
wants.
Like
any
large
institution.
AD
AD
AD
Dmu
will
bear
a
part
of
this
parking
lots
ultimate
cost.
The
remainder
will
be
borne
by
the
adjoining
homeowners
through
a
lower
lower
quality
of
life
and
lower
home
values.
If
dmu
wishes
to
have
the
benefits
of
being
in
an
attractive
neighborhood,
they
should
act
to
support
efforts
to
preserve
its
historic
character.
That
includes
number
one:
don't
buy
houses
and
convert
them
from
owner-occupied
to
renter
occupied
dmu
has
purchased
five
homes
on
31st
Street
contiguous
to
their
property
in
part
to
prevent
homeowner
opposition
to
their
expansion
plans.
AD
This
negatively
affects
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
number
to
recognize
and
respect
what
our
Neighborhood
Association
is
trying
to
do.
Dm
use
large
neighbor
to
the
west
Wesley
Akers
has
successfully
had
an
ongoing
dialogue
with
our
Neighborhood
Association.
For
many
years
our
neighborhood
meetings
are
held
at
Wesley
acres.
They
have
not
put
any
new
parking
lots
behind
anyone's
home
and
they
haven't
bought.
Any
houses
were
grateful
for
our
relationship
with
them
number
three
withdraw
this
proposal
and
replace
it
with
one
that
solves
your
issues
and
does
not
adversely
affect
any
homeowner.
AD
Y
AE
D
AE
AE
I'm,
not
gonna,
repeat
everything
that
everybody
else
said:
they're
more
eloquent
than
I
can
ever
be
I
just
joined
in
the
reasons
if
they've
stated
for
we're
not
being
real
happy
with
this
rezoning
and
if
I
understand
that
your
staff
approves
what
dmu
wants
and
subject
to,
if
you
ever
want
to
do
anything
again,
you've
got
to
come
back
and
go
through
this
process.
Yeah
am
I,
correct.
Okay,
all.
AF
AE
And
this
goes
here,
panda
pointed
this
out
might
heard
from
some
others.
It
said:
well,
we
had
an
agreement.
I
said:
where
is
an
agreement
where
you
have
an
agreement,
and
then
someone
showed
me
what
I
think
Nick
Larson
referred
to?
Maybe
others
and
it
may
first
mm
mm
that
present
Daniels
was
America
and
let
me
say
this:
I
have
no
ill
feeling
towards
I
call
cops.
AE
AE
AE
Window
I'm
used
to
talking
about
every
graduate.
You
should
not
whatever
type
or
category
of
health
professional
they
are.
It
speaks
well
of
not
only
you
but
this
community.
So
that's
not
the
point.
It's
not
that
you
don't
need
what
you're
asking
for
it's,
just
that
the
problem
is
going
to
cost
and
if
I
read
this
language
correctly,
it
has
the
ordinance
and
blah
blah
blah,
and
then
it
says
this.
AE
There
should
be
no
further
extension
of
parking
to
serve
the
use
occurring
upon
the
property
into
any
of
the
adjoining
land
zone
to
a
single-family
residential
district
classification.
I
didn't
see
any
exceptional,
except
for
this
a
qualifying
language
I
mean
this.
This
seems
like
a
doesn't
deal
and
your
attorneys
can
speak
to
that.
I
know
your
attorneys
public
I
have
great
respect,
for
your
attorneys,
doesn't
mean
they're,
not
wrong,
but
great
respect.
There's
something
about
the
phrase
and
dannan
you
both.
Maybe
we
were
involved
sanctity
of
the
contract.
AE
AE
AG
My
name
is
barb
stone,
I
live
at
318,
31st
Street
I've
lived
there
since
1989
I
am
NOT
a
casual
observer
of
the
parking
lot.
It
is
my
backyard.
It
is
an
extension
of
my
backyard
if
I
walk
out
my
door
and
go
west
to
my
garage
I
see
the
parking
lot.
If
I
sit
on
my
patio
I
see
the
parking
lot.
If
I'm
upstairs
I
look
over
the
parking
lot,
the
parking
garage,
the
campus,
the
other
parking
lots.
I
can
see
it
all.
AG
This
neighbor
right
here
wrote
Governor
Branstad,
who
was
then
president
of
the
University
and
asked
him
to
please
consider
moving
all
the
equipment
that
was
in
the
first
row
of
that
parking
space.
He
did
not
do
it.
It
was
full
of
rusting
equipment,
trailers,
trucks
and
then
beside
that
was
there
sand
pile
that
they
used
in
the
wintertime
with
salt.
She
had
to
put
up
a
fence
and
build
trees,
because
she
was
tired
of
sitting
in
her
backyard
and
looking
out
her
porch
at
that
rusting
and
old
equipment.
AG
They
finally
moved
it
to
the
last
four
spaces,
which
is
my
sight
line
where
I
look
and
it
sat
there
for
years
all
last
year
they
designated
those
last
ten
parking
spots
for
construction
and
before
that
their
equipment
was
there
and
they
used
right.
Next
to
my
property
line,
two
parking
spaces
plus
the
two
ahead
for
their
mobile
health
unit
that
they
very
rarely
moved.
AG
First,
it
was
bright,
green
and
then
they
changed
it
to
purple
and
that's
what
I
saw
365
days
a
year
if
I
went
out
my
back
door
or
sat
on
my
lawn,
those
10
parking
spaces
right
now
have
been
designated
as
construction
all
year,
I
look
out
my
window
daily
many
times.
I
walk
the
campus
I
just
don't
live
in
my
house.
There
is
always
parking
spaces
in
that
parking.
Lot.
AG
I
also
want
to
say
that
I
think
they
bought
the
first
house,
which
is
this
one
right
here.
Next
to
my
neighbor
in
2009
and
Steve,
Dingle
was
over
there
and
I
walked
down
there
and
I
asked
him
what
he
was
doing,
and
he
told
me
that
in
20
years
all
the
houses
on
our
street
would
be
bought
and
there
wouldn't
be
anything
I
could
do
about
it.
They're
now,
halfway
into
their
20
years
and
they're
almost
have
half
the
houses
on
our
street.
AG
So
this
has
been
a
plan
all
along
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
you
remember,
Lincoln
court
off
of
Grand
Avenue
that
dmu
there
was
four
houses
and
when
I
moved
in
I
was
got
acquainted
with
a
girl,
two
girls
that
was
on
that
Street.
That
was
a
holdout
from
dmu.
They
were
trying
to
buy
all
those
houses
and
they
were
the
last
one
and
those
girls
were
living
in
their
grandparents
house
and
they
were
forced
out
and
dmu
built
over
that
street.
AG
That
neighborhood
is
gone
and
I
truly
think
this
is
not
about
parking
because
I
see
empty
spaces
all
the
time
in
that
parking
lot
daily.
It's
about
destroying
our
neighborhood,
buying
up
our
houses.
So
there's
no
more
opposition,
and
it's
about
we've
completed
our
20
year
plan,
and
now
we
can
move
on
to
our
30
year
plan,
which
one
of
us
really
none
of
us
know
what
it
is.
AG
AG
Anything
whole
trees,
shrubs
anything
they
feel
like
they
just
dumped
in
there
and
because
of
that,
their
rental
houses
feel
they
can
do
the
same
thing
and
I'm
constantly
calling
dmu
and
asking
them
to
come
pick
up
trash
that's
been
tossed
in
the
woods
by
the
neighbor
or
by
the
renter's
and
by
their
own
staff.
Maintenance
staff-
that's
I've,
seen
it
destroyed
and
I
know
that
they
have
a
huge
impact
on
the
world,
but
they
have
a
huge
negative
impact
on
my
daily
life.
Thank
you
very
much.
AH
Madam
chair
and
members
of
the
Commission,
my
name
is
Peter
Bowers,
my
wife,
Shirley
and
I
live
at
314,
31st
Street
this
property
right.
Here
we
have
owned
our
home
for
33
years.
Our
property
is
directly
adjacent
to
the
proposed
parking
lot
expansion.
We
oppose
the
university's
zoning
request.
As
stated,
a
parking
lot
detracts
from
the
quality
of
life
in
our
neighborhood.
Additionally,
we
have
directly
experienced
the
decline
in
the
upkeep
and
appeal
of
properties
on
our
street,
as
they
have
been
converted
to
rentals
by
the
university.
AH
Pride
of
ownership
has
been
lost
and
with
it
any
sense
of
community.
Over
the
last
three
decades,
my
family
and
I
have
had
many
work
and
education
opportunities
across
the
metro
area.
Any
of
these
opportunities
could
have
spurred
us
to
move
to
a
different
neighborhood
or
to
the
suburbs,
but
we
have
always
chosen
to
stay
Greenwood
historic
neighborhood
is
unique
and
worthy
of
preserving
for
future
generations.
Any
changes
to
the
university's
campus
infrastructure
affects
us
one
way
or
another.
Little
by
little
year
by
year,
we
have
witnessed
declining
properties,
increased
traffic
noise
and
light
pollution.
AH
AI
AI
AI
So
DME
owns
the
property
on
both
sides
of
me.
They
they
bought.
They
bought
both
houses
on
my
right
in
my
left,
I'm
a
divorced
mother-
and
this
is
my
greatest
asset-
is
this
very
beautiful
but
small
home
that
I
live
in
I've,
been
there
for
five
years
and
I'm
very
happy
there,
and
so
are
my
children.
AI
I'm
very
concerned
about
these
proposals
and
they've
been
keeping
keeping
me
up
at
night
I'm
concerned
about
my
property
value,
especially
since
the
proposed
construction
is
going
to
end
right
at
my
property
and
whenever
I
describe
my
home
to
people,
I
always
tell
them.
Dm
use
backyard
is
my
backyard.
That's
how
I've
always
said
it
since
I
first
had
moved
in.
AI
I'm
worried
about
the
generator
and
the
noise
that
it's
going
to
make
and
and
of
course,
the
water
issue
for
for
my
neighbors
when
I
first
moved
there,
my
children
were
younger,
it
was
five
years
ago
and
they
really
enjoyed
playing
in
the
backyard
in
this
beautiful
wooded
area
and
I.
Don't
want
that
to
be
taken
away
for
future
families
that
might
come
in
so
I'm
hoping
that
you
will
hear
our
neighbors
that
are
here
tonight
that
are
against
this
proposal.
Thank
you
very
much.
AJ
My
Kirkman
218
31st
Street
right
here,
it's
my
home
I,
spoke
last
time,
so
I'm
not
gonna,
try
to
take
too
much
time
this
evening.
I
did
want
to
enter
into
the
record
the
petition
that
I
gathered
signatures
prior
to
the
last
meeting,
and
it
was
really
overwhelming
the
response.
You
know
there
are
multiple
pages.
AJ
The
ordinance
that
I
referenced
13
819
was
in
fact
signed
and
agreed
to
by
DMU
I've
heard
the
president
tonight
say
that
you
know
it's
no
longer
relevant
to
them.
That
may
be
the
case,
but
it's
still
relevant
I
think
the
vast
majority
of
people
in
this
room,
but
that
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
submit
this.
Oh
just.
A
AJ
Have
added
no
signatures?
I
did
not
submit
it
at
that
meeting,
I
referenced
it
and
the
overhead.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Here's
the
thing
all
of
the
people
that
spoke
against
the
additional
parking,
the
diesel
generator.
If
I
could
sum
it
up.
What
they're
against
are
the
negative
externalities
created
by
the
parking
lot
and
the
diesel
generator
I?
Think
dmu
I,
don't
remember
the
exact
figure,
but
they
have
the
resources.
They
have
the
means
to
address
these
negative
externalities
that
they're
pushing
to
the
neighbors
in
the
community
and
to
the
life
of
me
I.
AJ
D
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
AK
Thank
you
planning
zoning
commissioner
members.
My
name
is
Charlie
Cordero
I
live
at
3100,
grand
condos,
six
b64
and
I.
Faced
the
West
two
issues:
I
want
to
talk
to
really
is
the
generator.
It's
a
semi
trailer
type
unit,
they're
planning
on
putting
a
fence
around
it
to
contain
the
noise
when
it
runs.
Supposedly
the
noise
will
go
up
when
noise
goes
up.
It
filters
out.
It's
like
throwing
a
pebble
in
a
lake.
AK
If
circles
go
out
and
you
hear
it
all
over
I,
don't
know
what
these
decibel
readings
are
going
to
be,
but
and
I'm
not
saying
the
decibel
region
or
hurt
your
ears,
but
it
could
annoy
you.
You
could
hear
this.
They
talk
about.
There's
units
going
down
there.
There,
there
electricity
going
down
25
times
a
year.
AK
Ours
goes
down
once
in
a
while
too
and
our
condo,
and
it's
usually
a
lot
of
times
in
the
evening
or
in
the
early
mornings.
You
wake
up
and
your
clocks
out,
and
you
have
to
reset
it
your
microwave.
So
that's
when
it
goes
in
this
unit
is
hooked
up
to
their
labs
and
I
can
understand.
They
don't
want
to
lose
their
computers
and
the
refrigeration
and
damage
their
experiences.
AK
I
suggest,
instead
of
putting
this
unit
at
the
residential
area
on
a
slab
with
the
fence,
their
generators
now
they're,
smaller,
but
they're
north
of
the
Monroe
building
I.
Believe
you
go
by
their
nice
fenced
area.
There's
grass
there's
a
gate
and
you
don't
even
know
their
generators,
there's
areas
that
they
could
put
a
slab
put
this
unit.
There
build
a
nice
wall,
concrete
wall
around
it
high
enough
to
block
everything,
put
some
nice
landscaping
and
let
it
blend
in
with
the
construction
and
the
architects
of
their
building,
because
the
buildings
are
nice,
those
new.
AK
So
it's
like
a
give-and-take
little
thing:
it's
like
the
Senate.
You
give
the
bull
take
and
work.
Maybe
they
could
move
that
unit
away
instead
of
just
sitting
right
there
in
the
open
with
that
I'm,
not
saying
an
ugly
fence,
but
something-
and
maybe
if
there
is
noise
it
might
filter
down
to
the
south,
to
the
west,
to
the
east
and
we're
hi.
We
hear
this
noise,
the
Lord
people.
Wouldn't
that's!
That's
one
issue
that
we
have
the
second
one
is
our
Congo
exits
to
Grand
we
come
through
our
parking
garage
up.
AK
20
feet
away
is
the
exit
for
the
university
traffic
is
terrible
in
the
morning
we're
trying
to
leave.
People
are
trying
to
get
in
the
traffic
signals,
their
traffic
block,
that's
a
terrible
intersection
anyway,
and
it's
something
that
should
have
been
squared
up
years
ago.
There's
all
kinds
of
accidents
people
get
nervous
when
they
turn
these
the
light
changes
they
don't
know
they
can
continue.
So
that's
a
problem.
The
problem
is
early
morning
and
night
at
the
rush
hour
during
the
day,
we
don't
really
have
a
problem.
AK
I
know
it's
25
or
30,
more
parking
spaces
they're
going
to
put
in
it.
What
do
we
do
so
if
we
give
it
till?
What
are
you
going
to
do
with
our
situation?
I
don't
know,
but
it
is
inconvenient
there's
always
these
little
fender,
benders
and
cussing,
and
people
cutting
in
and
unbe
none
polite.
So
that's
a
concern.
AK
We
have
in
our
unit
that
extra
little
traffic,
the
ideal
thing
is
some
day
giving
them
out
the
31st
excellent
out
to
the
light,
but
then
you're
talking
about
future
expansion,
future
zoning
change
to
change
some
of
this
property.
What
everybody
else
has
talked
about
encroaching
on
residential
property-
and
that
looks
like
maybe
that's
what
it
could
be
some
day.
God
bless
this
one
talking
about
thanks
for
your
time,.
A
AL
AL
AM
It's
not
even
on
this
map,
although
it's
I'm
not
right
down
here
on
the
corner,
and
what
this
map
shows
me
is
that
many
of
the
houses
that
are
impacted
and
the
and
the
homeowners
their
vote
didn't
count
when
they
sent
in
because
of
statute.
Evidently
you
have
to
be
within
a
certain
distance
and
so
a
lot
of
people
that
are
impacted.
Our
vote
doesn't
count
mr.
Lewis,
who
lives
on
30th
Street.
His
vote
doesn't
count.
So
a
lot
of
homes
are
not
counted
in
this
vote
that
was
taken.
Thank
you.
A
B
So
the
the
process
of
the
rezoning
we
notify
properties
owners
owners
of
property,
which
would
be
condo
owners,
separate
parcel
owners,
home
owners,
they're
notified
within
250
feet
of
the
total
area
that
the
subject
property
owns
in
contiguity
separately.
There's
a
provision
in
the
code
that
applies
to
the
area
requested
for
rezoning.
So
when
we
see
this
map
here
we're
calculating
we're
making
a
calculation
based
on
a
statutory
provision
specific
to
the
rezoning
area.
B
So
the
City
Council
wanted
a
greater
number
of
people
to
be
aware
of
hearing
to
be
able
to
participate
and
provide
input.
But
this
calculation
is
relevant
to
the
property
within
200
feet
of
the
requested
area
for
rezoning,
and
we
calculate
that
and
show
that
so
that
the
Commission
understands,
if
we're
into
a
situation
where
this
would
drive
a
supermajority.
If
it
were
recommended.
B
A
B
Makes
the
facilitates
petition
it
could
be
a
written
form,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
on
the
card.
The
applicants
pay
a
fee
in
order
to
cover
the
postage
and
printing
costs
of
our
notifications,
including
that
prepaid
card.
So
it's
just
facilitating
participation,
written
petition
or
participation
in
this
process.
I
guess.
A
B
Yeah,
the
hearing
is
open
to
anyone
that
wants
to
speak
or
provide
written
testimony.
That's
all
entered
into
the
record.
That's
all
reviewed
and
provided
to
the
commissioners,
it'll
be
provided
to
the
City
Council
members
and
is
all
relevant
to
the
recommendation
and
decision
that
is
made,
but
there
beside
that.
Then
there's
also
the
statutory
provision
that
we
have
to
track
in
a
calculation
so
and.
A
B
M
And
chair
members
of
the
Commission
William
Louis,
317,
sixth
Avenue
Suite
300,
we
do
represent
the
applicant,
as
you
know
where
we
would
start
in
rebuttal.
Madam
chair
members
of
the
Commission
I'm,
not
sure,
we've
heard
loud
and
clear
that
folks,
many
of
whom
I
know
personally
for
many
years,
we've
heard
your
concerns,
obviously
from
the
applicants
standpoint
and
president
Franklin
can
speak
to
that
more
eloquently
than
I
can.
M
If
we
didn't
need
the
parking
spaces
and
if
we
didn't
need
the
generator
candidly,
we
would
not
be
asking
judge
Novak
for
years,
we've
known
him
I
understand
his
his
concern
as
to
a
contract,
but
things
do
change
and
they
have
changed
and
we
do
need
parking
for
all
the
reasons
that
we've
stated
we're
open
to
suggestions
and
we're
open
to
constructive
criticism
for
the
things
that
Des
Moines
University
has
not
done
in
the
past.
There
is
a
process,
as
the
Commission
knows.
I
want
to
be
sure.
M
Everyone
else
knows
here
that
if
this
is
granted
on
the
conditional
zoning,
we
still
have
a
lot
of
things
to
deal
with,
particularly
as
to
the
area.
That's
adjacent
to
this
parking
lot.
Staff
is
very
vigilant
and
always
have
been,
at
least
in
our
practice,
to
take
care
of
and
to
be
sure
whether
it's
fencing,
whether
it's
the
landscaping
or
whatever
it
might
be,
that
would
provide
the
necessary
division
from
a
parking
lot
to
a
building.
There
are
creative
ways
we
at
the
Morton
University
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
University.
M
Q
I
N
Madam
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
Commission,
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
provide
another
comment,
I
think
I'll
just
say
say
this.
You
know
I
have
listened
intently
to
the
concerns
of
the
neighborhood
I.
My
respect
that
I
understand
the
emotionality
of
what
comes
along
with
living
in
the
neighborhood
and
experiencing
issues
of
the
past.
Of
course,
I
didn't
live
through
those
with
you,
so
I
I
don't
feel
them
the
way
you
did,
but
I
definitely
understand
and
respect
them.
N
But
I
would
like
to
say,
though,
is
that
it
was
it's
amazing
to
hear
you
know
all
the
different
ways
that
you're
advising
me
to
lead
an
organization
and
where
there
are
a
lot
of
great
ideas
that
have
been
mentioned,
perhaps
ways
to
to
rectify
our
expansion
in
our
advancement
for
the
future.
You
know
it
comes
down
to
us
being
able
to
do
this
in
a
way
that
allows
us
to
be
very
thoughtful,
but
just
why
a
master
plan
is
something
that
is
warranted.
Why
there
wasn't
one
more
formally
done
before
my
arrival.
N
I
can't
speak
to
that.
I
can't
connect
the
problems
that
may
have
been
been
there
of
the
past.
What
I
can
say
is
that
going
forward
what
we
want
to
do.
What
we
hope
to
do
and
actually
being
respectful
of
the
issues
of
the
past,
is
to
come
up
with
a
way
that
we
can
be
heard,
but
also
be
respected
in
what
we
must
do
as
an
institution
as
well.
You've
heard
from
our
students,
our
faculty
and
they're.
You
know
bearing
opinions
about
the
validity
of
the
things
that
were
said.
N
A
AN
I
would
address
the
macro
issue
and
I
think
that's
important.
I
was
appointed
by
this
to
this
commission
by
my
City
Councilman
bill.
Great,
to
use
my
expertise
and
background
experience
to
make
decisions.
I'll
be
cut,
be
quite
frank:
I,
don't
think
the
process
has
worked
well
in
this
regard.
I
don't
think
des
Moines
University
has
included
the
neighbors
in
the
process
first
and
getting
their
input
to
the
impact,
as
some
of
the
speakers
have
spoken.
AN
They've
spoken
about
how
the
neighborhood
associations
have
been
established
to
protect
the
integrity
of
different
neighborhoods
I
think
that's
important.
I'm,
a
native
of
Omaha
grew
up
there
and
still
go
back
on
a
regular
basis.
When
I've
seen
seen
two
different
attitudes
and
two
different
processes
work
out
there.
Regarding
universities
and
neighborhoods,
you
have
UN
au,
which
basically
has
the
same
footprint
physically,
as
has
for
a
60
years
since
the
night.
AN
Actually,
since
the
1960s,
they
have
accommodated
the
a
similar
neighborhood
to
south
of
brand
or
the
Greenwood
historic
Neighborhood,
Association
they've
not
infringed
upon
that
neighborhood
or
affected
the
integrity
they
have
expanded
across
Elmwood
Park
to
the
south.
By
going
to
the
old,
absorbent
racetrack
and
they've
built
there,
and
they
provide
communications
and
and
transportation
for
students
that
come
there,
but
they
have
not
expanded
to
the
actual
footprint
there.
They've
gone
up
vertically
I
believe
that's
important,
as
opposed
to
Creighton
University,
which
had
at
different
circumstances
expanded.
AN
So
it
was
a
different
type
of
neighborhood,
so
I
can
understand
it.
A
lot
of
the
urban
universities
expand
in
neighborhoods
that
would
be
considered,
not
vibrant
or
not
set
to
for
renewal
and
I've
worked
at
a
Des.
Moines
University
and
I've
worked
with
dr.
Franklin
a
great
deal,
respect
for
her
but
I'm,
not
with
the
Des
Moines
University
on
this
issue.
I
believe
this
should
be
B
tonight.
AN
I,
don't
think
the
Des
Moines
University
has
met
the
parking
issue
because
it
seems
like
in
America
every
time
you
want
to
drive
a
car
and
have
a
parking
issue.
It
becomes
that,
let's
add
more
parking
lots.
However,
the
macro
view
of
the
DSM
plan
is
to
have
more
people,
use
public
transportation
and
including
walking
and
commuting,
and
also
carpooling
I,
think
that's
a
something
that
should
be
done
and
explored.
L
I
agree
with
you:
I'm
not
gonna
support
this
either
I
think
it's
a
slippery
slope.
I
think
the
easy
thing
to
do
would
be
to
add
more
parking.
How
many
times
do
we
hear
on
this
commission?
You
know
whether
it's
an
apartment,
complex
or
yeah.
So
if
there's
never
enough
parking,
never
and
I
think
we
need
to
explore
options.
L
I
liked,
when
a
couple
of
the
speakers
said
you
know
there
are
options,
I
mean
I,
think
it's
easy,
plus
I,
don't
quite
understand
that
you're
still
not
going
to
have
meet
your
parking
needs
so
I.
Don't
that
doesn't
you
know
it's
not
congruent
for
me
so,
and
I
also
want
to
respect
strong
neighborhoods,
because
I
think
that
doesn't
you
know
we
want
the
neighborhoods
to
function
like
that.
We
listen
to
their
voices,
so
I'm
not
going
to
support
this
either.
E
I'll,
concur
with
what
my
colleagues
have
said.
This
particular
situation
reminds
me
one
of
how
many
of
you
have
been
at
ISU
or
no
is
you
and
Ames
Iowa?
This
reminds
me
very
much
of
something
that
happened
about
15
years
ago
with
a
historic,
neighborhood
north
of
downtown
Ames
and
Mary
Greeley
hospital.
E
Mary
Greeley
went
up
and
is
a
good
hospital
yet
institution
today
the
neighborhood
is
happy
as
well,
so
you
might
study
it.
What
happened
at
Mary
Greeley
to
find
out
how
they
resolve
their
problem,
as
as
I
asked
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
if
there's
a
master
plan
in
the
offing,
it's
hard
for
me
to
understand
that
there's
an
incremental
peace
before
the
masterplan
is
studied
and
prepared.
E
H
It's
been
described
that
the
neighborhood
is
a
jewel
I've
lived
in
the
neighborhood
since
1985
when
I
moved
to
Des
Moines.
It
is
a
jewel
I
also
believe
Des
Moines
University
is
a
jewel,
and
one
of
the
things
that
gave
me
great
encouragement
at
this
meeting
is
when
the
president
stated
that
you
were
embarking
on
a
master
plan.
Hallelujah.
H
H
We
went
out
into
the
rain
and
picked
up
the
things
that
were
washing
down
the
street,
put
them
in
another
neighbor's
garage,
the
woman
who
owned
that
house
was
a
new
grandmother
and
she
was
out
of
state
meeting
her
new
grandbaby
and
we
picked
up
those
articles
out
of
the
yard
and
I
put
on
my
heavy
boots
in
my
a
better
raincoat
and
hiked
up
this
river
to
see
where
this
water
was
coming
from
and
I
didn't
see
that
it
was
coming
from
dmu
because
they
didn't
see
a
storm
water
basin.
I'm
an
architect.
H
I
know
what
storm
water
basins
look
like.
I
didn't
see
one
because
it
had
been
silted
in
so
how
many
years
later,
dmu
has
made
the
repair.
So
I
applaud
you
for
spending
the
resources
to
build
that
a
proper
detention
basin.
I
would
like
to
think
that,
with
the
master
plan
with
a
with
long
term,
thinking
coming
back
to
the
neighborhood
and
sharing
the
vision
for
the
next
10
or
20
or
25
years,
I
think
it
would
go
a
long
way.
It
would
go
a
long
way
with
me.
J
So
mike
to
clarify
your
motion
is
recommend
denial
of
the
comp
plan,
amendment,
which
is
part
a
and
recommend
denial
of
the
rezoning,
which
is
part
p.
That's
correct
or
I'm.
Sorry
that,
as
opposed
rezoning,
is
not
in
conformance
with
the
comp
plan.
Part
B
recommending
denial
of
an
amendment
to
the
comp
plan
in
Part
C,
recommending
denial
of
the
zoning.
A
A
A
Right,
heartbeat
emotion
is
in
denial
of
a
staff
approval
of
the
recommended
requested
amendment
to
the
land,
use
designation
republic,
semi-public
portion
of
the
property
necessary
for
the
parking
extension
and
the
access
emergency
power
generator.
All
those
in
favor
of
denying
the
staff
recommendation.
F
A
J
A
B
E
B
K
K
K
W
W
L
L
J
B
AO
B
B
This
is
coming
about
to
you
as
a
violation
that
they
are
trying
to
correct
in
terms
of
improper
storage
occurring
on
the
property
extending
across
into
the
residential
property
as
well,
and
so
they're
compelled
to
just
come
up
with
a
solution
to
reconfigure
their
site
in
order
to
allow
their
business
to
grow
and
meet
the
terms
of
our
zoning.
Can
zoning
requirements
I
think
this
aerial
is
old
enough?
That
I
think
they've
probably
rectified
a
few
of
the
issues
with
storing
some
of
their
trailers
and
things
on
property.
B
That's
not
even
theirs
that
the
railroad
owns
you'll
notice,
that
a
lot
of
the
property
is
not
paved,
which
any
expansion
of
outdoor
storage
or
parking
or
maneuvering
would
be
required
to
be
paved
so
they've
got
a
numerous
set
of
steps
here
to
take.
The
first
step
is
to
get
the
rezoning
in
order
to
facilitate
that.
They've
also
asked
then
to
vacate
this
north-south
alley
so
that
they
can
have
private
control
of
that
they
would
still
be
leaving
the
south
leg
of
that
open
for
egress.
B
B
B
Then
they
own
the
subject
property
of
the
rezoning
and
then
they
want
to
vacate
in
between,
so
that
they
have
a
contiguous,
assembled
piece
of
property
to
develop.
Does
that
make
sense
at
this
point?
Thank
you.
I'll!
Try
to
make
it
as
concise
as
I
can
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
it's
unusual
to
have
all
these
actions
under
one
type
of
request.
B
So
then
they
are
they
because
this
area
is
in
the
low-density
residential
portion
of
the
plan
DSM.
They
would
also
have
to
amend
that
in
order
for
their
rezoning
to
be
found
in
conformance
with
plan
DSM,
so
they
have
that
element
as
part
of
their
actions
that
they've
requested
as
well
from
the
staff
perspective.
At
this
point
in
time
we
reviewed
this.
B
B
Even
if
we
require
them
to
do
certain
things
to
mitigate
that
which
they,
if
they
are
allowed
to
do
this,
they
certainly
would
have
to
meet
a
site
plan.
In
order
to
do
that
as
well.
I
think
if
the
Commission
is
compelled
to
recommend
rezoning
of
this,
there
is
probably
a
private
solution
to
the
access
concern
of
this
individual
by
negotiating,
specifically
with
them
to
maintain
the
access
movement
that
they've
had
through
the
alley.
Until
now.
B
So
I,
don't
think
that's
insurmountable.
But
staff
is
definitely
concerned
about
extending
that
into
the
residential
area
and
starting
to
chew
away
at
the
edge
of
the
fairground
neighborhood,
which
is
already
in
a
negative
transition.
Ever
has
been
for
quite
some
time,
so
we're
recommending
denial
of
it
at
this
point
in
time,
denial
of
the
plan,
DSM
amendment
and
denial
of
the
rec
requested
rezoning
to
m1.
B
Still
be
following
up
on
enforcement
of
anything,
that's
been
inspiring
with
the
property
if
it's
denied
and
there
still
may
be
requirements
for
them
to
meet
a
site
plan
and
do
certain
improvements
in
order
to
conform
with
existing
zoning
requirements.
So
I
did
I
did
want
to
give
the
impression
that
denying
this
is
gonna.
Let
him
leave
it
as
it
is.
There's
still
other
things
that
we
would
follow
up
with
on
the
zoning
enforcement
side.
Is
there
I
will
show
you
the
consent
map
from
the
rezoning
and
I
apologize,
I
meant
to.
B
B
AP
Yes,
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
this
request
is
to
unify
the
zoning
to
allow
storage
and
outdoor
parking,
other
storage
and
parking
on
this
rezulin.
Currently
reso
who's
owned
his
own
property.
My
clients
purchased
this
property
two
years
ago
and
prior
to
that
time,
it
was
operated
kind
of
in
this
much
the
same
manner.
It's
a
big
old
warehouse
building
and
it
just
quite
frankly,
doesn't
have
enough
land
to
go
with
it
park,
employee
parking
and
they
have
outdoor
storage
and
storage
of
trucks
and
I.
AP
The
next
drawings
our
plan
as
Eric,
talked
about
we're
trying
to
bring
the
site
back
into
compliance
in
the
first
step
we
need
to
do
is
to
come
up
with
place,
to
store
and
to
park,
trucks
and
trailers,
and
that
type
of
thing-
and
so
the
first
step
we're
here
tonight,
is
to
ask
for
rezoning
and
vacation
of
that
alley
so
that
we
can
come
up
with
a
bigger
plan
which
this
represents.
We
would
have
we'd
pave
the
alley
through
the
property.
Now
it's
right
now,
it's
the
city
alley,
it's
gravel
and
dirt
at
best.
AP
If
my
client,
if
it's
gets
vacated
at
my
client,
takes
it
over,
he
would
have
to
pave
it
concrete
to
provide
access
through.
There
can
also
provide
paved
parking
areas
and
dustless
storage
yards,
and
it
would
also
put
a
fence
around
the
property
to
keep.
There's
been
some
trespassers
and
kind
of
just
cars
park
randomly
day
or
two
at
a
time
in
here
kind
of
keep
kind
of
clean
up
the
neighborhood
and
keep
keep
squatters
out
of
the
area
as
well.
AP
So
he's
looking
to
improve
this
area,
and
but
the
first
step
is
to
have
it
rezone,
so
he
can
have
storage
and
parking
allowed
on
that
property.
And
this
and
talking
about
how
back
in
2005
there
was
a
plan
of
survey
approved
by
the
city
which
split
this
property
into
two
pieces
when
we
turn
it.
This.
D
AP
It
says
the
owner
of
the
property
is
selling
the
house
parcel
the
north
parcel.
He
will
use
the
remaining
portion,
the
parcel
be
with
with
his
business
property
to
the
west,
so
the
city
has
been
on
notice
and
it's
been
operated.
This
way
that
that
south
part
of
that
yard
has
been
used
in
conjunction
with
the
property
to
the
west
since
at
least
2005.
When
the
city
allowed
this
plat
wow
that
parcel
to
be
split
into
two
pieces,
it
was
the
north
part
was
sold
to
a
different
land
to
a
homeowner
and
subsequent
to
that.
AP
But
for
my
client
purchase
of
property
was
the
north
part
was
sold
back
to
the
original
owner,
who
kept
the
south
part
for
his
business,
and
now
it's
all
unified
into
one
property
staff
makes
comment
about.
The
house
has
kind
of
run
down
in
a
run-down
State
and
all
that
well
I
think
that's
primarily
because
the
highest
use
for
this
property
is
seen
as
auxilary
storage
and
parking
for
the
property
to
the
west.
That
really
wasn't
any
concern
to
have
anybody
in
that
house.
They
were
wanting
this
land
to
have
place
for
storage.
AP
In
fact,
the
garage
that's
shown
here
was
originally
on
that
property
to
the
south
and
they
moved
the
garage
off
of
that
out
of
the
way,
so
they
could
have
some
more
storage
space
on
the
end
of
that
property.
So
I
say
all
this
to
make
the
point
that
this
isn't
a
brand
new
use
in
the
neighborhood,
at
least
this
from
2005.
It's
been
known
that
this
property
is
used
in
conjunction
with
the
other
property
to
the
west.
The
proposed
use,
again,
it's
not
a
surprising
use
to
the
neighbors.
AP
It's
it's
been
done
this
way
for
1213
years.
So
it's
not
like
we're
coming
in
with
any
great
big
new
use.
It
is
for
storage
and
parking,
and
we
can
certainly
make
it
a
condition
of
the
rezoning
that
that's
the
only
uses
for
that
property.
We're
not
going
to
build
any
buildings
on
it.
It's
just
to
help
serve
as
a
exhilarate
for
the
property
to
the
west,
which
is
rather
short
on
rather
short
on
real
estate,
on
land
space
for
places
to
park
and
for
storage.
AP
They
have
10-12
employees
now
they
need
to
place
the
park
as
well
as
trucks
and
trailers.
Part
of
the
business
in
the
cargo
business
is
to
have
trailers
on
hand,
so
you
can
ship
them
out
to
different
to
your
different
clients.
Drop
them
off
pick
them
up
with
that
type
of
thing,
so
they
need
some
additional
stories
about
trailers,
in
addition
to
smaller,
cube
trucks
that
they
drive
daily,
and
they
want
to
have
a
place
where
they
can
plug
him
in
at
night
and
keep
them
keep
them
warm
and
running.
AP
So
it's
a
little
bit
about
the
business.
That's
it's
not
again.
It's
not
a,
hopefully
not
a
big
change,
surprise
to
the
neighborhood
regarding
the
vacation
of
the
alley.
I
didn't
really
like.
We
didn't
know
about
the
neighbor
needing
access
until
Monday
when
I
got
the
staff
report,
and
we've
certainly
will
try
to
reach
out
to
that
neighbor
and
see
if
we
can
work
out
some
arrangement
techne
of
him
an
easement
through
there.
AP
That
that's
important
at
that
property,
but
he
also
is
concerned
too
I
believe
about
that
the
property
right
now
they
Ali's
not
paid,
and
it's
not
a
very
good
ally-
to
run
trucks
up
and
down
as
it's
not
paved
at
which
my
client,
if
he
does
get
the
property
and
we
buy
the
site
plan,
he
would
have
to
pay
that
Ally
through
there
as
well.
So
we
think
that
those
improvements
to
the
area
would
outweigh
any
harmful
benefits
of
deny
or
of
encroaching
farther
into
the
into
the
zoning
of
the
residential
area.
AP
AP
I
did
try
to
reach
out
and
I
actually
have
our
meeting
as
part
of
the
fairgrounds
Neighborhood
Association
I
sent
an
email
to
the
chairwoman
of
that
before
Christmas
I
never
heard
back
so
I'm
surprised
that
they
somehow
got
the
response
to
the
city,
but
I
tried
to
piggyback
our
neighborhood
meeting
on
to
their
neighborhood
meeting,
which
would
have
been
last
Tuesday
the
same
day.
We
didn't
hold
our
meeting
so
I.
Don't
know
why
I
didn't
get
any
response
back,
but
I
went
with
the
email
that
was
on
the
website.
AP
H
H
J
So
that
was
the
comment
I
want
to
make
so
the
plan
of
survey.
That
happened.
The
note
says
it
can
be
used
in
conjunction,
but
that
also
requires
compliance
with
zoning
and
it's
zoned
residential.
We
have
split
zone
properties
all
across
city
under
a
common
ownership,
and
so
what's
allowed
to
go
in
to
that
as
uses
that
are
allowed
in
an
r1
zoning
district.
So
you
can
do
an
extension
of
parking
employee
parking
into
an
r1
zone
portion
from
a
commercial
business.
H
Y
AP
Don't
know
how
much
the
next
step
gets
into
the
site
plan
issues
and
we're
gonna.
You
know
we
have
to
meet
the
buffer
yards
and
different
things
like
that.
So
I
don't
know
how
many
cars
we
can
park
there.
I
guess
that
means
a
10
foot
buffer
yards
around
I
mean
yes,
we
could
have
employee
parking
there
and
I
didn't
mean
to
imply
that
you
know
the
prior.
Whatever
they
were
doing
prior
to
this
was
permitted
or
not.
E
E
AP
Today,
because
he
was
found
in
completely
in
enforcement,
came
along
and
said
he
had
to
get
things
cleared
out
of
there,
so
everything
has
been
cleared
out
of
there
and
I
think
he
has
just
a
few
handful
of
trucks
that
he's
using
on
a
day-to-day
basis
there
that
the
yard,
where
that
we're
talking
about
for
rezoning
now,
that's
completely
empty,
he
does
have
this
area
here
is
paved
so
I
think
he
may
have
some
vehicles
err
this
area
here
we
as
employee
parking
is
an
old
asphalt
surface.
That's
employees
continue
to
park
there.
AP
All
these
trucks
and
trailers
here
are
gone,
except
for
maybe
one
or
two
that
are
backed
up
to
the
loading
dock
here.
Yes,
he
certainly
had
he
had
all
kinds
of
trailers
and
stuff
and
operable
equipment
that
wasn't
running.
They
was
using
keeping
for
parts
and
things
like
that,
but
in
December
he
had
judgment
against
him
and
everything
got
taken
off
that
site
and
he's
only
brought
back
what
he
actually
uses
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
Thank.
E
AP
So
we're
trying
to
go
through
the
process
of
starting
from
zero
and
getting
him
built
back
to
keep
keeping
business
viable
and
keep
it
working
and
so
we're
here.
First
step
was
see
if
we
can
get
rezone
and
vacate
that
alley.
So
we
have
a
little
more
real
estate
to
come
up
with
a
site
plan.
The
site
plan
is
not
honest,
he's
not
going
to
be
easy
either
if
we
do
need
to
do
storm
water
detention
where's
that
going
to
go.
AP
If
we
provide
storage
for
trailers,
that's
going
to
require
a
bigger
buffer
yard
and
setback
than
if
it's
for
parking.
So
we're
gonna
have
already
talking
about
a
25
foot
setback
versus
a
10
foot
setback.
So
it's
really
not
too
clear
exactly
how
our
site
plan
is
going
to
look.
But
the
first
step
is:
we
need
to
know
what
real
estate
we
have
to
work
with.
AP
I
guess
we
asked
for
in
order
for
us
to
have
some
room,
the
bill
and
the
room
to
design
and
plan
on.
We
ask
that
you'll
prove
the
rezoning
and
and
the
vacation
of
the
alleys
subject
to
us
working
with
the
owner
to
the
south,
to
see
if
we
can
provide
some
way
for
him
to
have
access
through
that
alley.
Okay,.
A
AQ
My
name
is
Tim
Berardi.
The
address
is
twenty
forty
one
East
Walnut
Street
or
directly
south
across
walnut
from
the
subject,
property
and
I
just
would
like
to
say
that
I
I'm
I'm
in
favor
of
it
to
me
it's
a
cleanup
project
and
an
expansion
of
business,
and
it
seems
like
it's.
It
would
be
good
for
the
neighborhood.
AQ
A
AO
Then
we
like
to
let
you
guys
know
that
we're
trying
to
improve
the
neighborhood
we've
been
working
there
over
two
years,
I
believe
maybe,
and
that's
a
very
tough
neighborhood,
that
we
have
to
be
there
working
every
single
day,
the
improvement.
Well,
we
want
to
make
there
is
to
expand
our
business.
We
are
creating
jobs
for
the
community,
which
is
hire
another
lady
for
the
office,
so
they
can
help
us
and
all
of
this
paperwork
we
didn't
have
any.
You
know
we
didn't
have
a
lawyer
or
or
or
engineer
to
help
us
with
this.
AO
This
is
the
first
thing
when,
when
we're
trying
to
improve
our
building,
we
didn't
know
about
that.
We
couldn't
have
a
lot
of
equipment
in
there.
We
receive
a
couple
errors,
and
I
was
told
that
we
can
grandfather
some
of
the
rights
on
the
building,
because
there
was
business
trying
to
tire
distribution
business
working
for
over.
Who
knows
how
many
years
there
before
us
so
I,
just
gummies
for
surprise
that
we
have
to
do
all
of
this
because
it
was
worked
out.
AO
AO
We
are
afraid
of
getting
close
to
that
type
of
equipment.
When
you
don't
know
where
who
the
owner
is
or
what's
happening
right
there
in
that
type
of
destroy
equipment,
that's
been
dumped
there,
but
I
don't
know
who's
coming
and
taking
them
away.
That's
why
we
like
to
have
a
offense,
so
we
can
have
our
equipment
protected.
We
have
a
lot
of
vandalism
in
area
even
in
the
building.
AO
I
live
there
like
most
of
my
life,
my
kids
are
like
seven
years
six
years
and
three
and
one
years
old
and
I'm,
sometimes
I'm
afraid
of
having
them,
or
so
we
were
trying
to
improve
the
business
like
I
said,
which
is
got
the
business
with
that,
though
we
were
buying
the
right
property,
but
we
didn't
know
that
we
couldn't
grandfather
aware
of
the
rights
I
used
to
be
running
the
business.
We
had
a
lot
of
junk
in
there.
Everything
was
clean
up
like
in
the
residential
area
is
nothing
there.
AO
I
had
a
client,
the
other
day
came
at
Papa
trailer
and
we
had
to
move
that
kind
of
put
on
the
side
of
the
building
we
were
having
their
day.
The
business
plan
proposed
that
some
of
the
switch
is
going
to
be
on
the
east
side
of
the
building,
where
I
think
it
used
to
be
a
storage
area
anyway,
and
so
but
yeah
everything
is
clean.
Then
we
use
the
darks
every
single
day.
There's
a
couple
of
trailers.
In
there
we
have
storage
the
Australia
there,
because
we
need
them
for
the
next
day
and.
AO
Actually,
I
take
that
back.
I
have
another
building
north
north,
but
same
thing.
I
was
trying
to
work
with
the
city,
but
there
were
too
many
rules
and
too
many
things
that
we
have
to
go.
We
were
to
follow
so
that's
why
we
bought
this
building
and
then
see
science.
It
was
operating.
We
thought
we
can
just
start.
We
didn't
have
to
anything
like
that.
Like
I
said
we
don't
have
time.
We
have
to
be
on
the
road
every
single
day
and
for
us
even
Saturdays.
A
AF
My
name's
Scott
Denning
I
own
a
machine
shop
right
here,
I've
owned
it,
we've
been
located
there
since
2001.
When
we
bought
the
building.
There
was
four
inches
of
water
in
it.
The
roof
was
collapsing,
the
windows
were
caving
in
and
we
wanted
to
buy
it.
So
we
want
to
put
a
machine
shop
there.
We
went
through
several
city
council
meetings,
lawyer
fees,
and
we
finally
got
the
job
done.
AF
AF
AF
AF
Another
problem
I
have
is,
if
there's
a
fence
there
and
this
alleys
cut
off,
will
the
city
still
maintain
this
alley
or
be
able
to
how
about
snow
removal
when
there's
a
snow,
and
we
haven't
had
one
in
the
last
couple
of
years
of
12
inches
or
more
sometimes
an
entrance
here
is
the
only
way
to
get
in.
We
also
have
another
problem:
trains,
big
it'll,
back
clear
up,
East
21st
traffic
will
no
access
into
walnut,
so
we
come
down.
East
21st
try
to
go
up
this
alley.
Now
they
got
out
of
alley.
AF
AF
Another
point
I
want
to
make
is
this
area
right
here
was
not
used
for
storage.
Holt
sales
used
it
for
turnaround
for
their
trucks.
They
pulled
down
the
alley
they
pulled
up
into
this
space
and
they
backed
up
to
the
dock.
Watch
them
do
it
every
day.
So
this
is
just
shutting
down
access
to
my
business.
It's
it's
squeezing
us.
We
build
and
design
automated
machinery.
We
do
tool-and-die
work.
AF
We
have
a
trailer
that
we
I
store
it
inside
the
building
and
I
bring
my
trailer
outside
the
building,
because
I
can't
have
anything
outside
and
to
load
machinery.
Sometimes
things
are
so
blocked
off.
I
can't
get
loaded,
I,
gotta,
wait
so
I,
don't
know
what
else
to
say
that
other
than
that
and
I've
been
there
since
2001
I
never
had
any
trouble
with
Holtz.
They
kept
the
alley
clear,
I.
AF
A
AP
Told
they,
when
I
saw
the
staff
letter
Monday.
That
said
that
was
it
Scott
that
you
need
it
to
keep
that
business
open.
It's
like
well,
yes,
that
makes
a
hundred
percent
sense
that
you
need
that
Ally
open
and
we're
only
asking
that
we'd
have
to
work
with
you.
It's
for
some
kind
of
arrangement,
whether
we
granted
you
an
easement
or
we
if
we
do
fence
that
we
give
you
a
key,
so
you
can
get
in
and
out
through
that
alleyway.
Our
plan
is
such
that
we
would
pay
that.
AP
If
not,
then
we
don't
expect
the
city
to
vacate
that
alley
if
they
can't,
if
we
can't
do
something
to
come
up
with
a
plan
to
satisfy
you
for
what
you
need
there
as
far
as
if
we
do
incorporate
that
alley
into
our
bigger
site
plan.
So
thank
you
for
expressing
your
concerns.
I
wish
we
would
have
and
a
little
bit
maybe
well.
My
part
I
should
have
maybe
reached
out
to
you
to
know
that
find
out
exactly
since
you're
on
that
alley.
AP
H
Have
a
question
for
you:
I
feel
this
is
premature,
you
being
here
that
I,
not
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
Commission,
that
I
would
feel
a
lot
better
if
you
would
meet
with
the
neighbors
and
talk
about
solutions,
because
it
could
be
a
win-win.
There's,
a
neighbor
who's.
Very
supportive
of
this
there's
a
neighborhood
has
great
legitimate
concerns
about
the
inability
to
conduct
his
business
I.
H
There's
an
applicant
who
doesn't
know
what's
required
in
terms
of
paving
buffering
I
personally
I
would
hate
to
see
us
even
try
to
rezone
this
and
your
client,
not
even
knowing
what
it's
gonna
cost
and
if
it's
possible
and
zoning
runs
with
the
land,
and
we
don't
even
know
you
don't
know
if
this
is
even
possible
to
do.
Wouldn't
you
want
to
do
a
little
more
due
diligence.
Well.
AP
We're
trying
to
ease
us
a
little
bit
under
do
rest
that,
in
order
to
stay
in
business,
he
needed
to
show
I,
think
good
faith
effort
to
the
city
that
he's
doing
step,
one
which
is
trying
to
reach
out
and
get
rezoning
done
and
yes
well.
I
realize
that
there's
quite
a
bit
of
site
plan
work
to
be
done
here
and
we
don't
have
an
answer.
What
the
site
plan
is
gonna
look
like
I
know
a
lot
of
times.
AP
We
come
to
P
and
Z,
and-
and
you
all
like
to
see
what
the
site
plan
is
gonna
look
like
before
you
allow
the
rezoning,
and
unfortunately
this
is
a
case
where
I
don't
have
I,
don't
know
what
that
site
plan
is
gonna.
Look
right
right
now
we
may
have
to
come
back
to
a
Board
of
Adjustment
for
some
variance
on
a
setback
for
the
buffer
to
the
residential,
because
we,
with
it
or
storage,
we
needed
25-foot
setback
for
storage.
AP
Well,
that's
a
76
foot
live,
would
take
25
feet
out
we're
running
out
of
space,
and
so
that
may
not
the
site
plan
may
not
work,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
go
down
the
path
of
getting
a
site
plan
put
together
this
week.
Don't
get
the
zoning
if
we
don't
get
what
looks
like,
maybe
if
we
need
relief
from
setbacks,
if
we
have
the
alley
or
if
we
don't
but
there's
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
here,
I
totally.
H
J
So
from
an
enforcement
standpoint
pl'anna,
maybe
you
could
speak
to
that
assume
enforcement
of
state
while
the
rezoning
petition
is
is
in
process.
So
if
the
Commission
decided
to
continue
this,
we
would
not
hold
that
against
the
applicant,
but
I
would
assume
we
would
want
to
continue
to
a
specific
date.
Sure.
K
So
full
disclosure
I
do
not
represent
the
zoning
enforcement
in
their
enforcement
actions.
There's
a
different
attorney
in
our
office
that
does
that
so
I'm
not
as
familiar
with
their
their
work
as
I
am
with
this.
With
that
said,
my
understanding
is
that
they
do
the
zoning
enforcement
officer
and
that
staff
does
delay
any
further
enforcement
action
until
the
full
rezoning
process
is
complete.
J
J
K
A
K
I
understand
of
this
item
is
that
they
are
here
in
part
because
they
have
had
enforcement
issues
and
did
lose
at
court,
so
they
are
here
trying
to
rectify
those.
So
I,
don't
I.
Don't
think
that
there
is
going
to
be
any
action
on
those
zoning
enforcement
issues
until
the
suit
rezoning
is
completed.
It
ends
with.
AN
K
AN
B
So
if
you
read
in
the
staff
report
in
the
staff
rationale,
we
anticipated
there
might
be
a
sentiment
that
they'll
try
to
accommodate
this
rezoning.
So
we
would,
we
did
want
to
have
the
opportunity
to
review
conditions
or
provide
conditions.
If
that
was
the
case,
I
know
that's
kind
of
a
little
strange
not
actually
having
to
vote
that
you're
in
favor
of
it
or
not
in
favor
of
it,
but
certainly
that's
an
adequate
amount
of
time
for
us
to
get
together
whether
that
gets
to
a
solution
or
not
doesn't
always
necessarily
become
the
case.
B
H
I
see
the
advantage
of
the
parties
discussing
because
this
could
be
a
win-win.
This
particular
person,
if
there's
an
easement
through
that
alley,
for
example
that
requires
them
to
leave
it
open.
Maybe
it's
more
than
16
feet.
Maybe
it's
24
feet
wide
and
this
applicants
gonna
have
to
pave
it.
Well,
it
would
be
pretty
nice
if
you.
J
AO
K
I
was
just
gonna
clarify,
that's
correct,
but
that
does
not
mean
blocking
the
alley
and
so
there's
no.
There
is
never
and
never
has
been
a
right
to
block
the
alley
until
it
is
vacated
and
conveyed
whether
it's
subject
to
an
easement
or
not.
So
yes,
continue
working,
but
the
public
alley
has
to
remain
open.
B
A
AF
B
AF
A
E
Chair
the
nominating
committee
this
year
was
consisted
of
Dorie
Broyles,
Jack,
Hellmuth,
David,
cord
Hari
and
myself.
As
chair.
We
present
a
slate
of
officers
to
the
Commission
tonight.
Each
of
these
individuals
has
been
contacted
and
each
has
agreed
to
serve
again
for
another
year
and
they
are
chair.
Jacky
Easley,
vice
chair,
Jan
3.
Second,
vice
chair,
Jack
hilma's.
That's
our
report,
madam
chairman.
Thank.
J
And
Mike
any
two
things:
there
is
a
meeting
with
the
city
manager
tomorrow
noon,
I
think
we
know
who's
who
was
going
to
either
sent
out
an
email
and
so
later
yeah
he'll
he'll
clarify
after
the
meeting
who
we
have
everything
we
need
for
that.
Secondly,
and
finally,
I
just
want
to
say
that
was
probably
the
second
largest
public
audience
at
a
P
and
D
meeting
in
my
17
years
tonight
it
was
lengthy.
It
was
a
duplicate
of
a
previous
meeting
as
well.
I
really
want
to
thank
the
patience
of
the
Commission
tonight.
J
I
thought
you
handled
it
really
well.
I
also
want
to
thank
the
patience
of
the
commissioners
who
were
at
both
hearings,
because
you
heard
things
twice
and
sat
through
it
twice
and
so
again,
I
just
want
to
commend
you
on
on
your
patience
and
the
quorum
in
the
meeting.
I
thought
it
was
a
very
well-run
meeting
and
thank
you
Jackie
and.