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From YouTube: 10-17-19 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, October 17, 2019.
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A
These
are
our
rules
and
procedures.
The
planet
Zoning
Commission,
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
City
Council.
The
City
Council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
a
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
Commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
flats.
Unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
are
appeal,
please
contact
the
city
clerk
or
the
Community
Development
staff
for
details
of
the
council
hearings.
A
Applicants
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request,
and
the
proponents
and
opponents
from
the
public
I've
been
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
being
a
lot
of
maximum
of
five
minutes.
An
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
Commission
will
vote
and
discuss
or
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
matter.
A
Assistive
listening
devices
are
available
in
for
meetings
in
this
room
to
better
serve
you
when
possible.
Please
notify
the
City
at
least
three
business
days.
Vance
at
283
for
2:09
should
special
accommodations
be
required.
Planning
zoning
commission
meetings
are
broadcast
on
media
cable,
channel
7.1
or
at
7.2
for
customers
of
a
bad
service
transportation
to
and
from
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
can
be
scheduled
by
Dart
Central
Station
at
6:20
Terry
Street
to
reserve
your
route.
A
A
A
A
In
accordance
survey,
we've
got
that,
whether
it
are
there
any
may
votes
all
right
say
many
minutes
are
approved.
Thank
you
all
right.
At
this
time
we
have
two
items
on
our
consent:
agenda:
I'll,
read
those
items
and
see
if
there's
anyone-
that's
here
that
which
is
to
hear
these
item
number
one
of
the
city
initiated
request
with
regard
to
the
proposed
38th
and
grand
urban
renewal
plan.
A
That
is
determination
as
to
whether
the
proposed
38th
and
grand
urban
renewal
plan
is,
in
conformance
with
plan
des
moines,
creating
our
tomorrow
plan
and
amending
the
plan
des
moines,
creating
our
tomorrow
plan
to
revise
the
future
land
use
designation
from
high
density
residential
within
a
community
no
to
neighborhood
mix
use
within
a
community
known
for
property
located
at
3750
grand
avenue.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
we
should
susta
for
this
item
from
consent
tonight?
A
A
All
right
are
there
any
names?
Thank
you
very
much.
So
now,
what's
our
public
hearing
item
tonight,
this
is
a
request
from
the
Iowa
laborers
education,
training,
trust
fund
for
review
and
approval
of
the
following
regarding
property
located
in
the
vicinity
of
4560
Hubbell
Avenue.
Additional
property
is
in
the
PUD
bound.
Additional
property
of
the
PG
boundary
is
owned
by
Baker
real
estate,
Baker
Creek
senior
living
McKinley
crest
in
BMB,
real
estate
group.
C
Commission
Jason
Van
Essen,
with
the
city's
planning
staff,
the
aerial
being
displayed,
identifies
the
boundary
of
the
entire
PUD
Baker
PUD.
The
area
of
focus
for
tonight
is
the
northeast
corner,
which
double
hatched
that
was
driving
our
agenda
item
tonight.
The
cards
are
being
passed
around.
This
is
the
response
map.
D
C
C
Development
that
moved
forward
and
was
approved.
This
is
a
version
of
the
drawings
you
had
in
your
pack
in
July.
There
were
obviously
some
conditions,
but
this
just
gives
you
a
sense
of
of
how
that
was
laid
out,
and
the
only
thing
I
want
to
point
out
is
that
when
we
did
discuss
this
proposal,
we
did
spend
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
the
PUD
and
its
entirety
and
the
mix
of
housing
types
that
were
already
approved
and
how
that
related
or
did
not
relate
to
what
should
be
done
on
this
part
of
the
PUD.
C
So
that's
where
we've
been
where
we
are
today,
I'll
show
a
couple
photographs.
This
is
looking
towards
the
West
back
into
the
site,
so
this
is
the
eastern
boundary
beside
the
street
that
the
development
is
proposed
to
be
fronting
I
see
some
of
the
trees
are
noted
in
the
drawings
and
also
some
of
the
residential
properties.
This
is
looking
a
little
bit
more
and
more.
B
C
The
that
multifamily
phase
in
the
middle
there
is
a
sheet
that
also
identifies
this
phase,
the
single-family
phase
and
then
the
proposed
training
facility
I'll.
Let
them
elaborate
on
all
the
activities
that
go
would
go
on
in
the
location,
but
the
Mazzoni
perspective
of
future
land
use
map
perspective.
This
is
an
industrial
use
and
I
think
they're,
better
equipped
to
speak
to
their
operation.
C
C
C
There's
really,
as
the
chair
read
the
agenda,
we
have
kind
of
a
two-step
process.
We
have
to
first
look
at
our
future
land
use
map
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
determine
does
the
proposal
comply
with
that
and,
if
not,
do
we
need
to
amend
that
this
is
a
in
order
to
approve
the
rezoning.
So
this
is
a
map
identifying
the
proposed
land
use
plan
amendment
up
in
this
corner
from
medium
density,
residential
to
industrial,
designation,
and
then
this
is
probably
a
little
easier
to
read,
showing
the
medium
density.
C
That's
over
the
apartments
and
the
this
part
of
the
PUD
that's
being
discussed
tonight
and
then
the
low
family
residential
that
was
approved
recently
and
then
some
of
the
other
commercial
designations
multifamily
the
purple
is
business
part
as
staff
and
for
us
we
look
at
a
rezoning
request.
You
know
one
of
our
first
things
that
we
ask
ourselves
is:
does
it
comply
with
a
comprehensive
plan
and
if
not,
how
do
we
feel
or
what
does
it?
C
The
proposed
or
the
necessary
amendment
makes
sense
to
us,
and
in
this
case
we
do
not
believe
it
makes
sense.
This
is
a
high
traffic
corridor.
We
had
a
lot
of
discussion
in
July
about
having
dense
residential
along
here
and
whether
or
not
the
single-family
made
sense
that
moved
forward
like
I
said
partially
under
the
thought
that
we
should
provide
a
mix
of
housing
types
here,
and
then
we
already
had
some
density,
but
from
our
perspective
it's
not
a
location
to
do
an
industrial.
You
know
to
to
amend
the
map
to
add
an
industrial
use.
C
A
F
D
G
We
are
a
non-profit
and
we
are
definitely
not
industrial.
So
we
have
to
follow
the
codes
of
the
city
as
we
are
considered
commercial.
So
what
we
will
be
doing
is
training
our
members.
We
have
a
thousand
members
around
the
Des
Moines
metro.
In
this
Ward
alone.
We
have
254
members,
those
who
many
have
worked
on
this
building
alone,
we're
building
downtown
we're
working.
Many
of
our
contractors
have
been
in
business
for
over
100
years,
we've
been
in
the
city
for
over
a
hundred
years.
G
In
the
late
90s,
we
had
a
train
facility
down
in
rural
Iowa.
That's
where
it
resided.
Until
two
years
ago
we
decided
to
sell
that
property
to
move
back
to
the
Boyne
to
be
closer
to
our
membership,
and
this
is
with
support
from
our
contractors
from
Newman
Brothers
Ryan
companies,
Weitz
Graham
construction,
bright,
Holt's,
Mac
niche
Carell
elder
the
underground
Herberger
construction,
many
of
whom
do
work
here
in
the
Des
Moines
area
and
employ
our
members.
G
G
A
G
This
isn't
typical
on
what
we
do,
but
we
are
asking
for
your
recommendation
to
the
council
to
rezone.
So
what
we
have
here
is
the
copy
of
the
building
which
we've
proposed
with
being
a
nonprofit
outside
of
what
the
PUD
called
for,
which
was
a
metal
structure
with
a
metal
outside
the
trustees
of
the
Iowa
laborers
education
training
fund
met
yesterday,
and
we
know
what
we
need
to
do
inside
the
PUD
and
we
will
comply
with
any
building
materials
inside
the
PUD.
G
G
If
we
get
approval
at
that
time,
we'll
hire
a
general
contractor
who
will
be
working
with
the
city
on
what
they
can
and
cannot
do
if
we
need
to
add
more
water,
shed,
we'll
add
more
water
shed
with
us
residing
at
3,400,
EC
Euclid.
We
understand
what
happens
down
four
mile.
We
were
flooded,
July
of
17,
so
whatever
we
prevent
up
the
creek,
we
will
help
with
the
neighborhood
meeting.
G
We
heard
a
lot
of
those
complaints
from
the
neighbors
if
there
was
housing
to
go
in
here
that
they
feel
that
that
would
slow
up
the
water
and
backing
up
on
them
even
further.
We
want
to
work
with
the
city.
We
want
to
work
with
the
residents
around
to
help
the
watershed
flow
freely
and
hopefully
keep
it
flowing
on
downs
and
South
with
the
Forestry
round.
G
G
We
feel
that
this
would
not
negatively
impact
the
character
of
the
PUD,
but
it
helped
beautifly
in
that
character
and
be
a
significant
addition
to
the
PUD.
We
understand
that
there
is
a
transit
corridor
through
there
with
bringing
in
the
folks
that
were
training.
We
train
City
of
Des
Moines
employees.
We
represent
the
city
des
moines
employees,
we
represent
folks
at
the
WRA.
We
do
on-site
training
at
the
WRA,
so
we
feel
this
would
be
more
of
a
partnership
with
the
city.
G
So
just
some
key
points
that
I'd
like
to
leave
you
with
is
that
the
industrial
definition
is
not
us.
We
are
training
school.
When
we
get
into
the
training
most
of
it
is
indoors.
We
will
do
some
outdoor.
We
are
not
equipment
operators,
we
are
not
the
Operating
Engineers
Local
234.
We
will
not
have
earth
movers
the
only
time
we'll
have
earth
movers
on-site
is
when
we
develop
the
site,
so
we
will
not
have
excavators,
dozers,
scrapers,
doing
training
of
any
sort.
G
The
hours
of
operation
that
we
do.
Our
training
are
during
daylight
hours.
So
during
the
summer
they
make
a
little
longer
with
or
trustees
meeting
that
we
had
yesterday.
We
are
ready
to
have
the
training
fund
only
two
hours
on
operation
from
7
for
37
to
5:30.
Again
we
want
to
work
with
the
community
with
that.
We
s
playing
Zoning
Commission
to
approve
our
request
rezone
and
we
will
comply
with
all
standards
inside
the
PA.
G
Maximum
is
roughly
about
thirty
at
any
one
time
that
be
on
a
high
end.
If
we
have
folks
from
the
WRA
from
the
city
des
moines,
where
we
we
do
n
CCO,
which
is
crane
training
where
we
teach
them
wasting
and
rigging,
we
may
have
a
whole
unit
from
Seton
when
we
come
up
to
the
training
facility,
which
would
be
30
folks,
instructors
are
regulated
on
how
many
they
can
have,
whether
it
be
OH
or
doing
any
sort
of
abatement,
training,
they're
regulated
on
how
many
students
they
can
have
per
class.
B
G
Why
so
we
purchased
BJ
Baker's
building
in
2017,
with
the
purchase
of
that
building?
We
had
been
talking
with
BJ
to
find
out
if
there
was
any
land
that
him
or
his
family
had
owned,
that
we
could
purchase.
He
understands
what
our
members
need.
He
works
with
a
mechanical
trade,
so
he
we
spoke
with
Greg
Baker,
his
brother
and
his
family.
The
reason
we
chose
that
we
saw
that
it
was
towards
the
industrial
area
that
was
this
ended
here,
just
three
blues
business
part.
So
we
are
up
in
that
corner.
G
G
G
Only
piece
of
equipment
that
we
own
is
a
skid
loader
with
the
heavy
equipment.
The
only
time
we'll
have
heavy
equipment
will
be
for
the
development
or,
if
we're
putting
on
a
concrete
class
or
we'll
have
a
ready
mix
truck
or
if
we
have
Mack
niche
come
by
with
a
excavator
to
show
the
students
what
we're
utilizing
out
in
the
field
where
we
can
show
them
the
backup
alarms.
G
As
far
as
the
sound
goes,
I
know
that
we've
been
up
there
mowing
and
limping.
Who
is
our
train
director
was
back
in
the
timber
near
some
of
the
residential
areas
and
they
couldn't
hear
the
equipment
for
what
they
told
him.
So
I'm
not
sure
how
to
answer
how
how
loud
it
would
be.
But
from
what
we're
hearing
we've
already
had
equipment
up
there
and
it
wasn't
a
nuisance.
A
So
the
concern
that
we
thought
raised
on
the
card
and
I
think
you
even
mentioned
one
one
was
about
the
storm
water
and
you
said
that
they
were
concerned
about
where
they
concern
about
private
homes
as
a
policy,
your
building,
correct
and
your,
and
so
they
were
supportive.
Your
building,
because
you
can
mitigate
some
of
that
issue
place
and
then
traffic
came
up
on
one
of
their
cards.
But,
as
just
has
been
asked,
it
sounds
like
the
bulk
of
your
business.
There
will
be
doing
the.
G
G
A
I
Hello,
my
name
is
Jim
Piazza
jr.
at
2600
Grand
Avenue
des
Moines
is
where
I
office
that
I
live
in
521
Waterbury
Circle
I'm,
a
management
trustee
on
the
Education
Trust
Fund
I
also
met
her
for
heavy
Highway
Contractors
Association,
and
you
know
we
appreciate
your
reconsideration
of
this
land.
You
know
I
would
note
that
though
it
looked
like
the
western
section
of
the
PUD
is
currently
zoned
as
as
the
commercial
and
in
that
commercial
there's
a
light.
I
Industrial
type
of
classification
and
I
think
that
it's
just
I
guess
I
want
to
reiterate
the
point
that
mr.
Wegman
was
stating
that
we're
not
a
heavy
industrial
use.
Here
you
know
I
when
you
start
talking
about
heavy
highway
contractors,
and
you
talk
about
Labor's
and
construction.
You
know,
I
know
that
it
can
sound
like
this
is
going
to
be
a
really
kind
of
evasive,
type
of
training
procedure,
place
and
I.
Guess
there
is
a
distinction.
Mr.
I
Wegman
made
it
the
Operating
Engineers
are
located
out
in
the
country
and
that's
where
the
heavy
equipment
is-
and
you
know
these
guys
have
been
doing
training
indoors
as
a
board
of
trustees.
We
have
met,
we've
looked
at
the
PUD
and
we
got
ahead
of
ourselves
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
purchasing
this
land
under
its
current
sounding,
and
so
we
would
like
that.
I
C
G
D
G
C
Because
the
the
that
most
closely
matches
the
development
pattern
and
uses
that
they're
proposing
worse
'as
a
business
park
which
is
more
of
a
you,
know
to
everything
happening
in
a
building,
there's
a
little
higher
quality
and
standards
in
architecture.
That's
kind
of
the
the
distinguishing
factor
between
the
two
thanks.
G
C
B
C
Comp
plan
uses
and
what's
around
this
and
what
was
planned
for
the
area,
the
corridor
that's
on.
Are
there
ways
to
mitigate
mitigate
make
it
a
better
project,
absolutely
and
I.
Think
you
know
the
the
applicant
did
a
nice
job
in
narrating
a
little
more
detail
as
to
what
their
proposal
is
and
what
they're
willing
to
do.
But
the
premise
of
our
recommendation
is
sooner
good.
F
A
F
Of
building
material
to
accommodate
the
wishes
of
the
planning
department
and
add
buffering
to
the
neighborhood
with
vegetation
and
work
with
you
on
any
watershed
issues,
it
doesn't
make
any
difference,
because
the
proposed
development
is
not
in
character
with
the
surrounding
residential
development.
Correct.
C
D
C
F
H
A
C
What
they've
the
details
they
provide
you
tonight
how
to
make
sure
that
that's
really
enforceable
or
what
happens
in
20
years
if
they
move
into
a
bigger
facility
and
the
buildings
there
and
oh
well,
it's
an
industrial
building
and
just
as
you're
saying.
Well
maybe
it's
not
the
same
operator
anymore.
F
E
Other
one
good
evening,
typically,
when
we're
in
a
situation
where
staff
has
recommended
a
denial,
and
perhaps
the
Commission
is
looking
for
a
manner
in
which
to
approve,
we
recommend
continuance
of
item
that
allows
the
staff
and
the
applicant
to
negotiate
what
conditions
may
be
placed
on
the
on
the
rezoning
in
this
case,
because
of
our
kind
of
time
crunch,
with
the
new
zoning
code,
I
hesitate
to
recommend
that.
But
I
do
think
that
there
is
time
I
would
defer
to
Mike.
But
I
do
think
that
there
is
time
to
get
the
conditions
figured
out.
H
Thank
you
so
Glenda
just
to
clarify
it's
a
Planned
Unit
development,
and
so
they
have
an
application.
That's
pending
as
long
as
that,
and
we
have
a
situation
when
the
application
is
filed
before
the
effective
date
of
the
new
code.
So
we
can
continue
to
process
the
PUD
application
beyond
the
effective
date
of
the
code.
If
a
two-week
continuance
is
needed,
I
think
it
could
be
easily
accommodated
in
the
schedule.
They
wouldn't
run
the
run.
Any
risk
of
you
know
not
complying
with
the
new
code
or
something
it's
a
Planned
Unit
development.
So
they
could.
A
Still
instill
in
a
continuance
de
novembro:
seventh,
yes
continue,
okay
and
then,
while
you're
up
here,
so
it
seemed
to
me
yesterday
the
council
action
was
if
I
heard
it
correctly,
that
the
code
was
approved,
but
there
is
a
parallel
track
with
some
of
the
amendments
that
will
come
back
to
us
to
review
and
I'm.
Not
you
know
using
this
example
in
my
mind,
trying
to
understand
what
was
approved
yesterday
by
the
council
is
in
effect
with
the
understanding
that
these
amendments
will
also
occur
correct.
A
E
E
H
E
H
H
A
H
I'm
going
to
cover
this
briefly,
obviously
the
zoning
code
was
approved
yesterday,
six
one
tract
of
amendments
that
are
coming
to
you
on
November
7th
for
recommendation
of
the
council.
They
will
have
their
hearings
on
that
December,
2nd,
9th
and
the
16th.
So
in
the
meantime,
we
are
trying
to
get
this
code
ready
to
be
implemented
on
the
bill.
That
includes
a
ton
of
work
with
our
IT
department
to
make
sure
that
the
map
is
is
available,
we're
doing
all
of
our
forms.
H
All
of
our
review
forms
application
forms
and
we're
guessing
that
there's
going
to
be
agreement
on
the
revisions,
because
it
affects
code
sections
and
everything
else
on
the
forms
that
we're
doing
but
we're
moving
forward.
It
was
a
great
discussion
yesterday
with
council
I
just
wanted
to
show
very
quickly.
This
photo
and
I
found
this
today
and
I.
It
was
a
rather
interesting.
This
photo
is
a
much
younger
me.
Oh,
this
is
circa
2003
2004
on
the
right-hand
side
table
or
Marilyn
staples
Greg
Jones
kalos
year
and
dr.
H
H
Know
you
can't
read
it
on
the
screen,
but
it
is
a
administration
and
enforcement
section
of
a
draft
of
a
code
that
we
were
working
on
15
years
ago
that
never
came
to
fruition,
because
we
had
budget
cuts
that
cut
staffing
in
half.
We
never
had
money
appropriated
to
do
another
code
project
for
another
ten
years
and
so
I
guess
today.
I
called
each
of
those
planning
commissioners,
former
commissioners,
because
I
wanted
them
to
know
that
their
work
was
very
important
at
that
time
and
Greg.
H
You
were
on
that,
but
I
sincerely
mean
that
they
made
the
code
that
we
have
today
functional
for
another
ten
years.
That
got
us
to
the
point
where
we
could
work
through
this
code
and
get
another
code
adopted.
I
guess
the
point
I
want
to
make
is
that
no
code
is
perfect.
We
told
you
that
when
we
were
working
on
this
code,
I
know
there
are
probably
differing
opinions
on
this
commission.
As
I
talked
to
those
commissioners.
H
They
had
concerns
about
some
other
things
were
in
the
revised
code
or
the
new
code,
and
what
I
told
it
was
is
I
think
that
there
have
been
revisions
made.
There
have
not
been
reported
in
the
media
to
the
code.
I
think
additional
revisions
are
going
to
be
made
that
will
be
coming
forward
not
only
in
December
but
in
the
future
and
remember
this
is
a
living
document.
There
will
continue
to
be
changes
made
to
this
code
as
change.
H
The
priorities
happen
in
this
community,
but
I
have
no
doubt
that
the
code
that
was
adopted
yesterday
has
taken
a
quantum
leap
forward
as
far
as
user
friendliness
for
the
public
to
understand
this
code
and
be
able
to
find
things
in
the
code
and
change
is
hard.
We
told
you
that
from
the
very
beginning
on
this
I
am
I
firmly
believe
that
in
short
time,
relative.
H
That's
three
kids
in
a
zoning
I
had
much
darker
hair
and
it's
much
greater
now,
but
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
all
of
your
help
and
your
guidance
throughout
this
code
process.
It
feels
like
an
800-pound
gorilla
has
been
lifted
off.
My
back
I
can
tell
you
that,
and
we
are
committed
to
making
this
code
work
for
this
community
and
live
this
community
forward
and
if
you
think
about
what
has
happened
in
the
last
five
years
alone
in
this
community,
we've
adopted
a
new
comprehensive
plan.
H
H
A
Debate
team
we
were
in
high
school,
but
yesterday
I
was
here
with
you
towards
the
end
and
I
I'm
telling
you
the
questions.
You
got
you
handled
yourself,
the
yeoman's
job.
I
know
this
has
been
a
large
part
of
your
life,
just
a
minor
compared
to
what
we've
done,
but
but
but
off
I
just
thought.
You
handled
yourself.
H
H
The
code
are
also
processing
Board
of
Adjustment
applications,
the
applications
you're
seeing
in
front
of
you
every
two
weeks,
they're
working
on
historic
Commission
as
well,
they're
working
on
neighborhood
plans
and
there's
just
the
one
group
is
pulled
over
here
to
work
on
something
another
group
has
taken
up
the
slack
somewhere
else,
and
so
I
want
to
commend
our
staff
and
especially
Brenna,
and
those
that
aren't
here,
they're
put
in
a
ton
of
work
to
make
this
happen.
So
thank
you.
Thank.