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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, March 7, 2019 in Des Moines, Iowa.
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A
Welcome
to
the
seventh
city
of
Des
Moines
planning,
Zoning
Commission
meeting.
These
are
our
rules
and
procedures.
The
planet
Zoning
Commission
is
an
advisory
body
to
the
City
Council.
The
City
Council
will
hold
public
hearing
and
make
a
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
Commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plants
and
less
denials
or
conditional
approvals.
Our
appeal,
please
contact
the
city
clerk
for
the
community
development
staff
for
details
on
council
hearings.
A
Applicants
are
given
ten
minutes
to
present
their
request
proponents
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order.
With
the
maximum
of
five
minutes,
the
applicant
isn't
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
Commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
A
Items
listed
in
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval,
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report,
unless
an
individual
present
or
a
member
of
the
Commission
requested
that
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda,
the
City
of
Des
Moines
is
pleased
to
provide
accommodations
to
individuals
or
groups
with
disabilities
and
encourages
participation
in
city
government
assistance.
Listening
devices
are
available
for
meetings
in
this
room
to
better
serve
you
when
possible.
A
Please
notify
the
city
at
least
three
business
states
in
advance
at
505,
eight
three,
four,
two:
zero
nine
special
accommodations
be
required
planning
zoning
commission
meetings
are
broadcast
on
cable
channel
7.1
or
a
7.2
for
customers
with
that
service
transportation
for
the
City
of
Des.
Moines
meetings
can
be
scheduled
to
and
from
Dart
Central
Station
at
6:20
Terry's
3
to
reserve
your
route.
Please
call
dart
on-call
scheduling
at
two
eight
three,
eight
one,
three
six
pulse
four
tips
will
be
accepted
up
until
5:00
p.m.
A
A
A
Thank
you
all
right
at
this
time,
we'll
go
to
the
consent
items
and,
as
previously
mentioned,
unless
someone
in
the
public
wishes
to
remove
this
item
or
a
commission
member
in
the
Commission
votes
on
the
staff
recommendation
item
number
one
is
a
city
initiated
request
to
rename
a
segment
of
East
Douglas
Avenue
to
Kennedy
Drive
for
a
segment
which
is
located
between
Hubbell
and
a
point
660
feet
to
the
west
as
part
of
realignment
as
these
segments
Avenue?
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
wishes
us
to
remove
this
item
all
right
thing?
A
That
is
there?
Anyone
on
the
Commission
who
wants
to
hear
this
item
all
right,
singing
I'm,
a
dynamo
remaining
consent.
Item
number
two
is
a
request
from
Polk
County
or
review
an
approval
of
a
site
plan.
It's
a
skate
park
under
design
guidelines
in
downtown
roof
and
districts
on
property,
located
at
9:01,
2nd
Avenue
to
allow
for
development
of
a
5.7
acre
outdoor
skating
recreation
facility
with
a
Phi
with
the
470
square
foot,
restaurant
restroom
building.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
wishes
of
this
item
from
consent.
A
A
C
C
C
Subject:
properties,
Avenue
East,
21st
Street
to
the
east
walnut
to
the
south,
the
applicants
primary
business
location
is
to
the
west
of
the
subject
property.
As
noted
by
the
chair,
there
had
been
a
request
to
vacate
alley.
That's
been
withdrawn
is
that
there
wasn't
an
agreeable
solution
with
another
joint
property
owner
as
to
how
to
divide
out
jared
access.
C
And
a
communication
from
the
neighborhood
association
and
being
asked
around
that's
a
response
back
to
this
aerial.
The
blue
lines
represent
the
zoning
boundary
so
to
the
west
m1
light
industrial
center
property
and
the
residential
dwellings
to
the
east
or
zone
are
160
single-family
zoning
classification.
As
noted
in
the
agenda,
this
does
require
a
land-use
plan
amendment
this
area.
This
is
kind
of
the
line
where
the
future
land
use
map
shows
industrial
uses
to
the
west
and
residential
uses
through
the
east.
So
that
would
be
part
of
the
proposal.
C
In
the
staff
report,
we
referenced
a
couple
of
sketches
that
have
been
submitted
by
the
applicant,
showing
their
general
concept
for
the
site.
We
are
not
considering
a
site
plan
tonight.
This
is
rezoning.
These
are
conceptual
there's
a
lot
of
process.
Should
the
property
be
resumed
for
them
to
go
through,
one
concept
would
comply
with
the
setback
requirements
for
the
m1
district.
C
You
can
see
the
25-foot
separation
from
the
residential
25
front
yard,
setback
going
and
the
arrangement
of
how
they
would
arc
trailers
on
the
site
if
they
were
successful
in
obtaining
relief
from
the
zoning
board
adjustment.
They
also
had
shown
this
as
a
concept
which,
if
the
board
gave
them
some
setback
relief,
it
allow
them
to
have
a
little
more
a
little
larger
of
an
area,
but
these
are
just
conceptual
I.
C
It's
back
at
this
I,
looked
at
the
comp
plan
and
are
making
a
recommendation
that
the
comp
plan
not
be
amended.
Therefore
the
rezoning
cannot
be
approved.
We
think
that
pushing
the
industrial
development
further
to
east
is
just
gonna
further
and
impede
the
ability
for
the
single-family
block
around
it
to
be
successful
in
the
future
and
feel
that
it's
appropriate
to
kind
of
use.
This
alley,
that's
historically
been
used
as
a
dividing
line.
So
that
is
our
recommendation.
We
do
recognize
that
if
there
you
know
there
could
be
interesting
and
doing
something
here.
C
From
your
perspective,
in
a
recommendation
and
our
staff
report
in
the
body
the
report,
we
did
identify
some
conditions
that
we
wanted
to
share
with
you.
If
you
are
interested
in
that,
but
I
do
want
to
reiterate
that
we've
put
those
in
there
as
additional
food
for
thought
for
you,
but
our
recommendation
is
to
deny
the
request
so
happy
to
answer
your
questions.
D
D
The
logistics
and
timing
wouldn't
work
out
to
have
any
shared
use
of
that.
So
we've
dropped
that
asian
request
that
simplified
our
our
site
plan
room
and
that's
why
we
were
back
I.
Think
the
recommendation
of
the
last
meeting
was
for
us
and
see
if
we
could
work
something
out,
also
I'm,
with
little
more
clarity
to
what
it
was.
We
were
proposing
to
do
in
the
future.
I
think.
With
the
two
proposed
site
plans,
we
show
quite
clearly
what
what
its
intended
uses
with
that
property
we're
asking
rezone.
D
The
reason
for
the
request
is
because
of
the
site
as
it
is
now
is,
has
a
lot
of
building
it's
a
two-story.
It's
a
large
warehouse
there's
not
a
lot
of
space
outside
of
it
for
arcing
for
storage,
it's
used
in
a
warehouse
basis
with
trailers
and
trucks
and
tractors
some
tractors,
but
off-site
to
to
move
trailers
around
for
other
businesses
in
the
area.
D
D
Yes,
we
understand
that
we're
up
against
pushing
into
a
residential
area
here,
but,
as
you
can
see
in
the
photo
of
some
of
the,
where
half
the
West
half
of
the
lot
you
know
in
line,
we
have
is
already
kind
of
bumped
in
we
have
m1
zoning
to
the
south
of
us.
We
have
some
m1
zoning
to
the
north
of
us
on
the
west,
half
of
the
parcel.
D
Here
so
there
is
a
notch:
we're
kind
of
moving
the
notch
from
the
one
side
to
the
other
side,
but
I
think
we
agree
that
I
understand
that
there's
a
pressure
between
the
industrial
in
the
residential
side
but
I
think
that's
probably
because
the
way
things
were
done
in
the
past.
There
wasn't
enough
space
for
this
business
to
have
space
for
parking
and
we're
seeing
that
need
who
being
more
property,
make
it
work
effectively
and
I
showed
this
exhibit
last
time
as
well,
but
already
12
years
ago
and.
D
Who
tells
the
five?
There
was
a
light
man,
but
a
survey
made
dividing
this
parcel
as
property
into
two
pieces
of
North
piece,
which
was
the
residential
and
a
South
piece
which
was
vacant,
which
was
said
to
be
on
the
platform
to
be
used
with
the
business
of
the
West
I
think
was
just
remain
vacant
and
maybe
was
for
parking
or
other
uses
that
they
do
in
a
residential
area.
D
But
I
think
it
points
to
the
fact
that
that
areas
that
businesses
needed
more
space
to
grow
and
work
and
the
client
and
the
city's
made
the
conditions.
If
this
is
approved,
that
there
be
that
this
property
only
be
used
for
storage
or
parking
or
green
and
we're
agreement
with
those
uses.
I
think
those
users
will
help
transition
from
this
industrial
through
the
residential.
By
limiting
that
this
will
provide
some
of
that
buffer.
Spacing
between
the
who
use.
D
Guess
with
that
I,
don't
really
don't
have
anything
more
to
or
to
explain
or
to
say
other
than
you
know,
there's
pressures
on
this
business
to
have
more
storage
or
parking
and
kind
of
done.
The
responsible
thing
is
buying
this,
both
parcels
evening
of
joined
together
and
trying
to
find
room
to
expand,
expand
the
business
and
in
order
to
do
that,
he
needs
we
need
to
would
like
to
resolve
this
property
and
use
as
much
of
it.
It
was
you
can
for
storage
or
parking,
and
that's
why
we
have
the
two.
D
F
D
Our
preferred
example:
we
were
able
to
get
more
trailer
storage
in
on
the
site.
Ultimate
goal
is
to
get
more
storage
space
before
just
the
site,
as
it
is
now
on
the
west
side
of
the
alleys,
land,
lockers,
railroad
on
one
side
streets
on
the
other,
there's
nowhere
to
turn
go
east
and
so
preferred
site
plan
would
be
you
see
if
we
can
get
Board
of
Adjustment
action
to
give
us
an
accept.
D
Or
me
Oh
for
the
that
we're
not
using
that
Ali
we're
not
going
to
include
our
hope
was,
is
if
it
we
could
have
vacated
that
alley.
We
would
have
more
land
to
deal
with
to
work
with,
but
since
we
became
too
difficult
to
organize
and
logistics,
when
trucks
would
come
for
our
neighbor
and
for
us
to
somehow
have
a
shared
use,
private
alley
through
that
was
going
to
be
those
two
difficult
to
sweep.
D
We
drop
I
did
have
you
know
the
at
the
last
meeting
we
were
at
the
owner,
Scott
dinning
to
the
South
was
the
first
time
we
met
him
and
we
were
busily
got
a
little
bit
heated
discussion
as
we
hadn't
talked
with
him
in
the
past.
I
did
take
these
site
plans.
I,
don't
think
he's
here
tonight,
but
I.
Well,
there
he
is
I,
did
make
these
plans
to
him
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
show
those
to
him.
I.
Think
Scott
was
fine
with
what
we're
doing
here.
D
G
H
D
Fortunately,
I
haven't
been
I.
Haven't
seen
that
letter,
oh
I
sent
an
email
I
wanted
to
have
our
public
our
neighborhood
meeting
with
their
meeting
in
in
January
and
I
sent
an
email
to
the
address
that
was
on
the
website
and
apparently
that
didn't
go
anywhere.
So
I
did
not
guess
I
didn't
follow
up
with
that
website
address
to
food,
follow
up
in
smiley.
D
A
A
A
H
C
J
G
A
J
D
C
E
If
you
look
at
the
screen
that
we
have,
you
know
if
you
draw
a
straight
line
between
the
two
blue
lines,
you're,
essentially
in
the
middle
of
the
lot,
and
that
twenty
five
foot
setback
scheme
that
they
have,
if
they
don't
go
to,
the
Board
of
Adjustment
would
essentially
be
that
and
so
I'm
kind
of
inclined
to
I.
Don't
know
how
we
tell
them,
don't
take
it
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment
and
don't
pass
that
because
that's
their
right.
But
that's
my
inclination
is
to
say:
okay,
if
you
don't
go
past.
I
I
D
K
G
D
The
site
really
needs
the
barking,
and
it's
over
time.
It's
as
you
can
see,
and
that's
how
he
got
in
violations
is
that
that
was
used
for
parking
and
storage
and
then
he's
trying
to
do
the
right
thing.
Getting
hidden
compliance,
get
things
cleaned
up
and
and
make
his
business
work
there
and
I
don't
think
it's.
D
Didn't
get
the
Neighborhood
Association
about
what
their
concerns
are,
but
it's
not
an
abrupt
change
to
the
neighborhood,
its
kind
of
functioning
that
way
already
the
lady
next
door
talked
with
her
is,
if
he's
just
concerned,
that
her
fence
stay
up,
and
we
said
yes,
we're
not
going
to
affect
that.
So
the
most
neighbor
e,
most
closest
neighbor
is
not
opposed
to
this,
and,
as
we
talked
about
it,
is
kind
of
a
jagged
e
line.
D
I
think
this
industrial
site
needs
some
relief,
be
a
viable,
be
a
viable
arsalan.
Lot.
I
understand
you
guys
draw
a
line
somewhere
because,
where,
as
where
is
it
going
to
end
down
the
line
but
I
think
different,
putting
these
conditions
on
that
lot
kind
of
books
provides
a
buffer.
You
know,
there's
not
gonna,
be
a
building.
There's
not
going
to
be.
D
E
I
think
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
that
Part
B
is
correct.
We
find
it
not
in
conformance,
but
part
Z
would
see,
would
be
that
we
amend
the
comprehensive
plan
to
allow.
Is
it
the
zoning
change
and
then
Part
D
would
be
those
items
listed
in
the
prior
part
of
the
staff
report.
That
jason
has
up
here
on
the
screen
plus
F,
not
allowing
any
storage
in
the
East
25
feet
of
a
lot.
B
E
J
B
Q
G
Q
B
B
B
G
B
B
E
Do
their
best
not
to
use
cabbage
17,
you
infinite
know,
part
of
the
problem
is
there
are
other
businesses
there?
Even
the
one
to
the
south
of
this
may
use
capital
already
and
we
have
no
control
over
it.
We
certainly
don't
have
any
control
over
the
one
to
the
north
and
so
I
do
respect.
But
I
and
I
agree.
It's
a
narrow
restriction
and
they're
probably
going
to
use
it
less
than
the
way
easy
one
on
the
south,
and
so
hopefully
that's
the
way
that
it
works
and
I'm.
Okay.
E
A
A
Ain't
no
buildings
will
be
constructed
on
the
property,
be
offs,
be
parking
outside
thirds
of
trailers
and
equipment
or
open
space
will
be
limited
to
be
only
permitted
uses
of
the
properties
see
any
off
street
parking
shall
be
paved
and
maintained
with
the
Portland
cement,
concrete
or
hot
asphalt.
Material
D
in
the
outside
storage
not
used
for
off
street
parking,
show
either
be
paved
or
surface
and
maintained
with
the
recycled
asphalt
product
ensure
it
does
free,
ensure
that's
free,
any
use
of
the
property
should
be
in
accordance
with
the
site.
A
F
A
A
C
This
is
the
subject:
property
long,
Robert
dear
a
drive
to
in
the
kind
of
the
northern
part
of
the
East
Village
south
of
235
bridge
district.
Over
the
last
few
years,
you've
seen
site
plans
and
plats
for
the
phase.
One
we've
seen
face
two
and
phase
three
come
in.
We
do
have
a
proposed
revision,
and
so
that's
why
we're
backer?
Even
late?
Last
year
we
already
approved
work
in
this
highlighted
area.
We
did
do
response
or
notice
in
getting
responses.
C
C
Get
it
to
fit
on
the
screen,
while
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
leave
North
at
the
right-hand
side
of
the
screen
and
just
to
the
as
far
as
layout
goes.
This
is
the
plat,
so
you
can
see
that
it's
parcels
you
know
postage
stamp
parcel
for
each
building
and
then
a
lot,
the
switching
and
the
footprints
and
the
addition
of
one
unit
really
is
as
a
result
of
an
easement
that
runs
through
here.
C
Originally,
the
thought
was
this:
a
he's
met
can
be
amended
and
the
buildings
that
you
saw
a
few
months
ago
were
actually
closer
to
the
street.
That's
not
gone
anywhere,
so
the
proposal
is
to
shift
the
buildings
to
accommodate
that
tourisme
that
runs
through
there
and
in
the
process
of
doing
that.
They've
dropped
made
some
adjustments
to
the
unit
tight
mix.
So
that's
a
lot
of
them
to
end
up
with
50
units
instead
of
49.
C
Landscaping
plan
very
similar
to
what
you
saw
before
in
the
staff
report.
We
have
a
few
comments
about
landscaping:
I'm
not
going
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
that.
That's
the
actual
site
plan
and
plat
are
pretty
straightforward
and
there's
some
things
that
we
can
work
out
with
them.
The
other
part
of
the
request
is
really
what
I
think
we
should
focus
on
tonight
and
that's
that's
the
a
change
in
building
materials
from
what
was
previously
approved.
This
is
a
this
is
phase
one
looking
down.
C
They
are
doing
a
few
things
to
try
to
get
it
to
be
in
a
similar
relief
as
a
brick.
You
know,
brick
is
a
little
over
three
inches
three
and
half
inches
in
depth.
You
know
when,
for
instance,
at
a
window,
the
window
is
gonna
come
out
a
little
bit,
so
you
might
have
about
three
inches
of
relief
the
product,
the
way
they've
laid
it
out.
That
would
come
back
down
to
two
one
and
three-quarters
as
far
as
that,
depth
I'll.
C
Let
them
walk
you
through
that,
just
quickly
from
a
dry
showed
you
the
picture
of
phase
one.
This
is
a
drawing
version
of
the
cup
here.
This
is
the
group
building
grouping
as
part
of
this
last
phase
of
reviewing
tonight
so
Robert
dreg,
but
this
is
what
it
looked
like
with
the
the
brick
concept.
So
the
brick
is
the
dark
material.
C
Some
I
think
I'll.
Let
the
developer
team
talk
to
show
you
some
images
and
talk
through
their
detailing
his
staff
in
the
staff
report
of
unfortunately,
when
this
went
out,
we
hadn't
had
enough
time
to
really
fully
digest
this
and
and
kind
of
bring
everybody
together
that
we
felt
needed
to
be
a
part
of
the
process
on
our
end
writing
input,
and
so
we
actually
put
our
staff
port
to
you.
That
said,
we
provide
a
recommendation
at
the
meeting
tonight
regarding
the
material
I
have
already
visited
with
applicant
team.
C
So
you
know,
we've
had
the
conversation,
so
they
are
aware
that,
as
staff
we
are
recommending
that
they
stay
with
Brett.
We
think
that
that
would
be
the
best
way
to
move
the
project
forward
and
the
reason
for
that
this
development
was
created
to
be
gonna,
have
a
uniform
appearance
and
if
I
could
go
back,
you.
C
This
graphic,
this
shows
phase
one
phase
two
and
three,
and
all
the
the
townhomes
is
essentially
a
single
design
throughout
the
development
same
height,
there's
some
subtle
nuances.
Some
of
the
footprints
are
a
little
different,
so
they
have
some
units
that
are
smaller
than
others,
there's
some
of
them
that
have
more
space
on
the
third
floor
than
others,
but
they're
essentially
the
same
building.
So
it's
a
you,
a
development
that
was
intended
to
have
a
uniform
appearance.
C
In
this
case,
it's
kind
of
monolithic
or
Mahtob
have
a
mono
design,
and
so
we
believe
that
the
best
way
to
move
the
project
forward
to
ensure
the
quality
of
what
they
built
currently
is
to
continue
on
with
the
brick
appearance.
That's
the
crux
of
our
our
recommendation
to
you:
there's
other
subtle
nuances.
You
know,
I've
already
mentioned
the
differences
in
depth
between
rec
and
the
material
that
they're
proposing
with
regard
to
the
relief
that
you're
gonna
get
visually.
That
I
think
really
does
a
nice
job
of
breaking
up.
C
C
Okay,
here
we
go
compliance
with
all
administrative
review,
comments,
standard
position,
review
and
approval
of
the
finalized
building,
elevations
and
materials
by
the
plan
administrator,
since
we
are
have
been
communicating
with
them.
With
regard
to
this
change,
you
know
we
don't
have
the
finalized
building
elevations
for
each
unit.
So
that's
really.
Where
condition
number
two
would
come
in.
C
If
you
did
approve
the
change,
then
obviously
we
would
need
to
continue
to
work
with
them,
so
you
would
still
need
to
adopt
condition
number
two
farthest
of
how
you
feel
about
the
exciting
material,
three's
review
and
approval
to
finalize
landscaping.
Plan
by
staff,
like
I,
said,
there's
a
few
few
nuances
that
we
like
to
work
with
them
on
not
a
big
deal,
just
making
sure
we
have
consistency
in
the
planting
plantings
throughout
the
development,
four
five,
six,
seven
and
eight.
C
These
are
all
standard
conditions
that
you
see
on
pretty
much
every
site
plan,
at
least
ones
in
the
downtown
LED
light
fixtures
for
a
street
light,
a
rooftop
mechanical
equipment
being
screened,
placement
of
utility
meters
and
other
utilities,
overhead
service
lines.
Section
242
is
the
tree
removal
mitigation
ordinance.
So
those
are
those
conditions
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
Jason.
S
Yeah,
when
we
were
looking,
we
had
intended
to
come
with,
you
know
full
staffs
for
today
and
as
Jason
described
in
the
final
report
came
out
today.
Didn't
the
approval
of
this,
which
base
masonry
materials
wasn't
recommended.
So
so
far
we've
been.
We
brought
the
idea
of
a
different
materiality,
the
staff
couple
months
back
and
we
we
talked
about
some
concerns
about
depth
and
detailing,
like
we
were
talking
about.
S
One
of
the
things
we
started
working
through
was
really
how
the
material
would
be
installed
is
that
a
window
jamb,
for
instance,
could
be
pushed
out
with
outboard
insulation
to
get
to
similar
depths
of
masonry
full
masonry
brick,
but
then
at
openings
that
depth
its
inner
material
can
kind
of
reveal
itself.
So
we
worked
through
that
and
and
our
closing
a
flashing
detail
to
really
extend
the
depth
of
those
openings
would
be
comparable
to
masonry
product
so
right
now
what
we
submitted
was
that
two
inches.
We
can
actually
increase
that.
S
S
Our
first
meeting
with
staff,
we
all
decided
to
take
this
hat,
to
go
down
this
path.
You
replace
the
materials
kind
of
one-for-one,
dark
masonry
on
dark
masonry
locations
and
lighter
masonry
on
lighter
masonry
mo
locations,
and
then
today
we
were
talking
and
we
had
a
great
discussion
today.
It
was
about
you
know
really
that
the
desire
is
to
from
staff
is
the
continued
make
the
continuity
really
go
through
the
whole
development,
so
I
guess
as
we're
looking
at
changing
the
material.
S
Our
pitch
is
really
to
just
blend
the
right
amount
of
difference
or
continuity
within
the
urban
space
and
the
neighborhood
texture,
so
I'm
treating
that
phase
due
as
a
variation
of
the
of
the
neighborhood.
So
we're
what
we'd
ask
from
you
tonight
and
I'll.
Give
you
just
a
couple
more
kind
of
explanations:
I'll
show
you
the
material.
S
What
we'd
love
to
do?
It's
really
critical
that
we
keep
the
stat
the
site
plan
moving
forward,
so
that's
really
critical
to
our
process,
so
approval
of
that
but
we'd
love
to
continue
working
with
staff
and
get
your
approval
tonight.
Do
you
the
switching
a
materials
ever
station?
So
if,
from
your
perspective,
if
you
can
approve
the
the
use
of
the
alternate
masonry
product
and
do
further
discussion
go
into
further
discussion,
you
know-
maybe
it's
not
actually
this
dark
journey
where
the
dark
night
strangles
her,
we
switch
around
the
material.
S
It's
the
right
way
to
get
them
enough
differentiation.
So
it's
not.
You
know
a
near
differentiation
that
feels
strange
in
the
neighborhood,
where
it's
actually
another
layer
to
the
urban
fabric
and
another
piece
of
the
neighborhood.
That's
it's
slightly
different,
that's
kind
of
how
we
did
5:55,
which
is
another
successful
development
of
homes
for
rent
down
on
Southwest
7th,
similar
process.
We
use
same
materials,
we
use
them
in
different
ways.
You
know
if
you
remember
that
one
when
it
got
approved
so
I
do
have
what
we're
proposing
today.
So
we
would
be
flexible
in
coloration.
S
S
Anyway,
one
of
the
things
that
happens,
sometimes
if
you
use
an
adhered
stone
product,
it
also
kind
of
reveals
itself
at
the
base
of
the
building,
because
you
can't
bury
it
so
we'll
extend
the
concrete
ledge
out.
The
masonry
is
actually
still
sitting
on
that
base,
so
it's
not
overhanging
the
structural
base
and
that'll
be
the
other.
That
was
the
other
part.
From
our
earlier
conversation
you
you.
S
S
S
S
A
A
G
A
See
you
were
good
with
that
Justin
think
about
that.
Okay,
the
motion
is,
there
proof
part
a
which
is
a
fool
of
the
submitted
preliminary
plat
compliance.
It's
all
administrative
review,
comments
of
the
city
permit
and
Development
Center,
be
the
recommendation
of
the
staff
was
to
number
one
be
compliant
with
all
administrative
review
comments
of
the
city's
permit
and
Development
Center
number
two
was
review
and
approval
of
the
finalized
building,
elevations
and
materials
is
business
outlined
their
recommendation
tonight
and
review
and
approval
of
the
final
finalized
landscape
plan
by
the
any
administrator.
A
A
Number
four
is
the
provision
of
the
led
street
like
shakespeare's,
and
black
metal.
Bowls
number
five
is
always
hop.
Mechanical
equipment
shall
be
screened
with
material
that
is
architectural
II
compatible
with
the
building
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
planning
administration.
That's
great
work,
number
six
is
all
utility
meters
transformers,
ground
mounted
equipment
and
other
utilities
so
shall
be
placed
among
the
rear
or
as
I
hate
AIDS
that
are
internal
life.
A
A
C
G
G
G
G
A
G
A
C
Chair
members
of
Commission,
Jason,
Van,
Ness
and
city
planning
staff,
the
aerial
identifies
the
subject:
property
63rd,
Buffalo,
63rd,
Southwest
Finley.
This
was
before
you
and
2018
for
a
rezoning
ultimately
went
on
to
the
City
Council
and
they
approved
the
rezoning
subject
to
conditions
on
July
9th
2018
just
quickly.
I'll
read
through
the
conditions.
C
Any
site
plan
for
development
shall
be
reviewed
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
So
that's
kind
of
a
nice
segue
I
mean
it
was
a
condition
that
this
come
back
to
you.
This
would
typically
be
an
administrative
reviewed
site
plan,
but
given
the
concerns
and
how
to
move
the
project
forward,
the
council
thought
it
was
appropriate
to
send
this
back
to.
You
have
a
public
forum
that
people
could
participate
in
and
see
how
the
site
plan
is
coming
along.
So.
C
C
C
C
V
C
Landscaping
page,
so
in
our
staff
report
we
are
recommending
approval
and
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
show
you
the
conditions
and
I
have
some
more
drawings
to
show
you.
So
if
it's
better
with
me,
if
it
seems
like
I'm,
jumping
around
a
little
bit
but
I
think
I
think
we're
gonna
get
to
where
we
need
to
be
here
in
a
minute.
So
we
are
recommending
approval
number
one
is
our
standard
compliance
with
all
administrative
review
comments.
C
C
And
highlighted
some
areas
where
we
had
some
concerns
with
their
proposal,
and
so
they
submitted.
As
of
this
morning,
we
got
a
revised
drawing
set
that
works
towards
they
believe
they're
working
towards
achieving
our
staff,
recommended
condition
on
landscaping
and
buffering.
We
have
not
had
time
to
review
this.
I
will
go
ahead
and
show
it
I'll.
Let
you
I'll,
let
them
walk
you
through
it.
We
would
recommend
that
any
action
you
take
tonight
to
prove
that
you
still
adopt
the
staff
recommendation,
condition
language.
That
way
we
can
go
back
and
route.
C
C
They
did
use
some
additional
screening
and
changes
some
landscaping.
This
is
the
northern
half
with
63rd
this
direction,
southern
half
I'll.
Let
them
go
in
a
greater
detail,
but
they
have
justed
some
of
the
berming
and
some
of
the
plant
material
locations
and
numbers.
One
of
the
things
that
we
notice
to
change
is
they
did
add.
There
is,
is
this
area
here
they
originally
proposed.
C
Some
material
and
we'd
suggested
that
some
sort
of
screen
wall
here
to
fit
the
condition
language
they
have
come
back
and
are
showing
a
screen
wall,
but
they're
not
doing
landscaping
around
it.
So
that
might
be
something
that
we
would
like
to
have
further
discussion
with
them
on
whether
that's
night
or
at
a
later
point,
they
did
also
submit
with
their
with
the
information
that
we
got
today,
some
renderings
that
show
use
the
property,
let's
zoom
out
with
the
proposed
landscape,
material
and
and
the
I'm.
C
C
C
C
C
C
The
number
two
excuse
me
you,
the
city's
transportation
plan
calls
for
a
10-foot
wide
trail
and
through
the
perimeter,
the
63rd
Street
perimeter
of
this
whole
corridor,
just
like
sidewalks
and
other
for
structure
facility
improvements.
When
development
comes
in.
We
expect
development
to
provide
that
the
the
applicant
is
ax
is
asking
for
a
deferral
they're,
not
saying
that
they're
not
willing
to
do
it,
but
they
would
like
to
have
indefinite
for
deferral
until
the
rest
of
the
the
spine
is
constructed
as
staff.
C
We
don't
agree
with
that.
We
think
it
needs
to
come
in
when
the
developments
done.
It's
really
hard
to
track
those
things.
You
know
I,
think
you're
accustomed
to
hearing
us
talk
about.
You
know
getting
things
in
incrementally
whether
that's
a
sidewalk
in
an
area
that
doesn't
have
sidewalks
or
it's
a
trail
or
some
sort
of
street
improvement,
and
so
our
recommendation
is
is
that
goes
in
with
the
project
when
it's
constructed
and
that
it
not
be
left
floating
out
there
for
the
people
happy
to
answer
your
questions.
C
You,
you
know
I'm,
not
sure
of
any
distance,
to
give
you
like,
you
know
it's
a
thousand
feet
or
five
hundred
feet
there.
There's
you
can
see
from
the
aerial
that
there's
not
much
of
a
network
in
the
area,
but
I
would
go
back.
You
know
to
how
we
review
stuff
is
the
ink
change
happens
incrementally
and
we
have
to
have.
We
have
to
set
that
and
just
understand
that
sometimes
things
are
going
to
go
in
I've
had
of
when
stuff
around
them
goes
in
that
that's
our
perspective,
your.
U
A
A
G
M
So
little
background:
when
we
came
last
summer,
we
really
didn't
have
any
plans.
We
had
done
a
what
I'd
call
preliminary
neighborhood
meeting
with
some
block
diagrams
to
get
some
sense
of
what
concerns
neighbors
had
and
not
surprisingly,
they
were
parking
lot,
lighting,
noise,
water
flow
traffic,
transportation
and
then
physically
what
they
might
see
when
they
looked
out
their
doors.
Last
week
we
had
another
meeting
and
I'd
say
most
all
of
the
same
concerns
remain
and
I
think
what
we've
tried
to
do
as
we've
progressed
through
the
building
process,
which
has
changed
somewhat.
M
We
have
added
our
corporate
staff
to
the
office
portion
of
the
building.
We
did
that
in
October.
So
last
week,
when
we
reviewed
elements
of
the
building
which
are
the
same
things,
you
see
in
your
documents,
we've
tried
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
sensitive
to
either
the
planning
elements
or
the
landscape
elements
or
the
requirements
staff
has
put
on
us
I
will
make
a
comment,
for
my
part,
at
least
on
the
rail,
to
reaffirm
what
I
think
you
heard.
M
There's
really
no
network
of
sidewalks
or
area
ways
for
employees,
traffic
up
and
down
their
bike
trails
approximate
somewhat
in
the
area
which
we
think
are
attractive,
but
really
no
trail
network
that's
been
designed,
so
our
preference
would
be
to
defer
the
cost
for
construction
or
to
bond
or
appropriately
ensure
parties
that
we're
still
interested
in
it,
but
that
we
don't
really
want
to
construct
it
at
this
time.
So
that's
item
2
on
the
agenda
we
like
to
dress.
Maybe
the
landscape.
X
So
again,
to
build
off
what
guy
said
well,
dinners
in
full
support
of
the
trail
as
well
as
the
street
trees.
Obviously
it
is
amenity
as
well
as
a
benefit
for
their
employees.
This
is
taken
out
of
the
move
des
moines,
which
was
adopted
in
November
of
2018
and
as
part
of
that,
basically
to
connect
or
to
make
the
connectivity
of
the
trail
system.
That
line
was
drawn
on
the
plan,
as
you
know,
late
as
November
of
2018
and
talking
with
Parks
and
Rec.
X
There
are
no
current
plans
in
their
capital
improvement
plans
nor
in
their
dollars
set
aside.
As
far
as
planning
for
this
trail
to
be
connected,
it's
gonna
require
you
know
an
extension
of
the
bridge
over
the
Raccoon
River
as
well,
as
you
know,
modifying
properties
all
along
that
corridor.
As
a
result
of
that,
Baldinger
again
supports
the
trail,
but
respectfully
requests
to
defer
the
construction
until
the
location
studies
can
be
done
on
where
it
needs
to
go
along
that
corridor.
W
W
We'll
start
with
that
plan
that
presents
sort
of
the
overall
picture
of
the
landscaping.
I'll
pick
these
things
off,
maybe
one
by
one
Jason
mentioned
the
screen
fence
architectural
screen
fence
and
foot
screen
fence
there.
So
one
of
the
comments
we
got
back
from
staff
was
requiring
a
solid
architectural
screen
there.
Rather
than
landscaping.
W
He
talked
about
not
adding
landscaping
there
and
the
zoning
language
actually
was
an
or
proposition
it
said,
a
screen
fence
or
landscaping
when
they
asked
us
to
do
a
screen
fence
in
lieu
of
landscaping.
The
owner
asked
us
to
put
that
there.
The
one
thing
that's
not
being
told
in
this
picture
is
that
there's
an
existing
landscape
easement
on
the
property
over
here,
that's
50
foot
wide.
W
We
went
in
there
and
counted
existing
trees,
there's
over
a
hundred
existing
trees
in
that
landscape,
easement
that
are
over
12
inches
of
diameter
or
evergreen,
along
with
numerous
ones
that
are
under
that.
So
there's
well
over
100
trees
on
that
existing
property
on
their
property.
That
will
remain.
We
are
actually
proposing
expand
that
landscape
buffer
or
that
tree
preservation
area
to
75
feet.
Preserve
more
of
the
trees.
Are
actually
off
of
the
existing
easement?
W
So
it's
it's
really
not
a
true
picture
to
say:
there's
no
landscaping
being
provided
there,
there's
a
large
buffer
between
us
and
the
existing
property
to
the
east.
There
are
some
areas
up
towards
the
north
here,
where
there
will
be
some
disturbance
of
that
berm
and
the
existing
trees,
and
you
can
see
in
the
planting
plan
we're
replacing
all
of
those
threes,
so
that
is
being
taken
care
of
some
other
just
comments
about
dealing
with
screening
I'm,
going
to
kind
of
go
to
some
of
these
specific
sheets.
W
There
was
conversation
about
screening
views
from
the
neighbors
up
here.
One
of
the
things
welding
or
does
want
to
do
is
leave
this
area
here
for
an
open
event
lawn
if
they
have
a
company
picnic,
some
other
event,
having
ability
a
place
to
have
a
pickup
softball
game,
those
kinds
of
things,
so
we
are
providing
additional
screening
there,
but
right
up
close
to
the
building
and
storage
areas,
pushing
it
as
far
south
as
we
can
to
allow
that
area
to
continue
to
function
as
an
amenity
for
the
welding,
er
employees
and
their
their
guests.
W
So
we
have
addressed
that
on
this
sheet.
You
see,
we've
extended
some
screening
here
which
wasn't
a
staff
comment,
but
we
realized
we
needed
to
pick
it
up
because
there's
a
the
transformer
and
generator
and
a
gas
meter
will
be
there.
So
that's
fully
screened
from
view
to
the
public
on
63rd
Street
moving
south
here
guy
mentioned
the
concerns
that
the
neighbors
have
were
certainly
very
sensitive
to
those.
He
also
mentioned
that
you
know
yeah
an
additional
meeting
with
the
neighbors
last
week.
There's
already
some
planned
changes
have
come
out
of
that.
W
We've
rearranged
and
added
some
plants
in
here
relative
to
a
neighbors
concern
here,
also
identified
that
there
might
be
some
concerns
down
here
and
added
some
plants
here.
I
should
explain
this
a
little
bit
in
that
there
are
two
levels
of
screening
happening
here
on
the
south
side.
One
is
the
required
screen
buffer
screen
here
along
the
south
edge.
W
What
you're
seeing
here
are
actually
trees
that
are
required
as
part
of
the
public
improvements
documents
for
McKinley
Avenue,
there's
a
30
some
required
trees
along
here
we're
actually
providing
more
than
that
to
help
with
screening
the
neighbors.
So,
and
there
are
some
sections-
we've
actually
got
some
sections
that
show
the
visibility
through
those
areas.
They
won't
read
well
on
screen.
They
are
in
your
packet.
If
you
have
any
questions
we
can
show,
but
essentially
we're
showing
that
between
these
neighbors.
W
Not
only
do
we
have
a
distance
of
over
600
feet,
but
we've
got
two
levels
of
screening
there.
In
addition
to
that,
we're
providing
we're
really
maxing
out
the
berms
that
happen
in
there.
So
the
berm
that
these
trees
sit
on
is
generally
six
foot
all
other
some
questions
from
the
neighbors
about
the
size
of
the
trees
at
planting
I.
Think
the
comment
was
you
know
what
good
does
a
three
foot
berm
with
a
three
foot
tree
on
it?
W
Do
actually
all
the
trees
provided
will
meet
the
city's
landscape,
ordinance
requirement,
which
is
a
minimum,
a
minimum
of
an
inch
and
a
half
caliper
deciduous
tree
or
six
foot
tall
coniferous
tree
a
inch
and
a
half
to
two
inch
caliper
deciduous
tree
as
a
minimum
of
812
feet
all
depending
on
the
species,
so
the
landscape
buffer
is
going
to
go
in
day.
One
with
you
know
a
six
foot,
all
earthen
berm
with
six
foot
tall
evergreens
and
then
also
eight
to
twelve
foot
deciduous
trees.
W
Certainly
the
full
impact
of
that
won't
be
seen
for
a
few
years,
but
that's
the
case
in
any
buffer
yard
require
city.
You
know,
anytime,
you
deal
with
that.
Plant
material
needs
to
grow,
but
we
are
trying
to
get
maximum
effect,
not
only
by
doing
the
berming,
but
also
putting
quite
a
few
shrubs
along
there.
That
really
fill
in
that
view
between
the
mass
of
the
tree
planting
and
the
top
of
the
berm.
So
there
are
quite
a
few
shrubs
matter
of
fact.
W
We
are
planting
over
three
hundred
and
sixty
trees
on
site
and
over
four
hundred
and
fifty
shrubs,
most
of
which
are
being
used
in
some
screening
capacity.
So
you
know
the
the
whites
are.
The
welding
or
company
really
takes
this
issue
seriously.
The
other
thing
that
we've
done
here
is
we've
substantially
beefed
up
the
planting
here.
W
There's
a
concern
about
visibility
of
some
overhead
doors
here
from
63rd
and
also
from
this
intersection,
a
question
of
about
doing
an
architectural
screen
fence
there
with
the
proximity
to
the
building
and
everything
going
on
with
the
architecture
of
the
building
we
felt
like
it
would
actually
be
distracting
to
put
some
sort
of
fence
there,
and
so
we
chose
to
dramatically
up
the
number
and
density
of
evergreen
plants
there.
We
thought
that
would
be
a
much
more
friendly
space
to
present
the
63rd
Street
and
some
sort
of
fence.
W
We've
also
reconfigured
this
berm
and
made
it
taller
to
make
the
landscaping
more
effective
in
terms
of
screening
there.
There
are
a
couple
of
views
that
are
pretty
much
impossible
to
screen
and
that's
when
you
look
straight
up
a
driveway
that
is
always
going
to
be
the
case
whenever
you
have
a
landscape,
berm
and
either
a
street
or
a
driveway
that
that
the
intersects
that
at
some
point,
you
have
to
have
a
break
there,
but
we've
done
the
best
we
can
to
minimize
those
and
screen
around
them.
W
The
final
area
I
want
to
point
out
here,
was
a
requirement
bide
screening
from
these
neighbors
down
here.
You're
now
talking
distances
well
in
excess
of
1,000
feet,
like
I,
said,
there's
quite
a
few
existing
trees
down
here.
There's
a
question
about
adding
trees
down
there
based
on
the
grade
really
was
not
going
to
be
as
effective.
So
what
we
did
was
we
pushed
the
landscaping
up
the
slope
as
close
to
the
building,
as
we
can.
W
We
put
those
trees
closer
together
and
we
added
additional
trees
once
again
to
deal
with
that
comment
so
or
the
staff
report
we're
happy
to
continue
to
work
with
staff
on
this
item.
I
think
you
could
tell
by
what
we're
showing
here,
that
we're
very
serious
about
coming
to
a
resolution
that
meets
those
criteria
and
provides
protection
for
the
neighbors
and
Walden
or
corporation,
wants
to
be
a
good
neighbor
here
here
and
have
this
project
go
forward.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Vitus.
To
talk
to
you
about
architect.
Y
All
right
I'll
try
to
keep
this
fairly
brief
and
in
general
in
nature,
the
building
is
comprised
of
three
main
areas.
There's
a
two-story
office
building
those
areas
are
approximately
45,000
square
foot
floor
plates
so
about
90
thousand
square
feet
of
corporate
office.
There's
a
production
area
that
is
primarily
for
the
fabrication
of
sheet
metal,
plumbing
electrical
components
before
they
go
out
into
the
field
and
then
there's
a
one-story
production
support
area.
Y
So
you're
kind
of
seeing
those
different
building
areas
highlighted
in
color
here,
I'll
briefly
go
over
a
couple
of
the
building
elevations
we
did
meet
with
the
Neighborhood
Association
or
the
neighborhood
group
last
Wednesday,
and
they
asked
us
to
generate
a
few
extra
elevations
or
renderings.
So
we
want
to
show
those
as
well
and.
Y
This
is
the
north,
the
North
elevation,
it's
the
primary
entry
on
the
north
side,
there's
a
main
entrance
feature
with
a
curtain
wall
that
you're
seeing
up
in
this
area
as
a
boardroom
and
a
and
a
second-level
patio
feature.
So
that's
what
that
that
notch
out
is
building
materials
will
be
painted.
Precast
black
aluminum
frame
windows,
there's
kind
of
the
main
material
palette
in
the
office.
This
is
starting
to
move
around
the
north
west
side.
So
again,
the
main
entrance
is
here
and
then
you'll
see
on
the
west
elevation.
Y
Y
A
little
closer
up
to
that
secondary
employee
entrance,
that's
going
into
the
cafe
and
the
training
center
on
the
West
elevation,
as
we
move
further
south
you'll
see
here.
This
is
where
it
steps
down
to
a
single
storey
building
that
will
be
an
architectural
metal
aluminum
composite
panel
in
a
two
tone:
variation
that
wraps
around
that
single
storey.
Y
This
is
a
little
bit
closer
up
view
of
the
production
patio
and
again
that
sort
of
slight
variation
in
the
metal
panel
be
somewhat
similar
to
what
you
see
down
on
the
the
new
Hilton
in
downtown
with
those
orange
and
rust
colors
that
that
metal
panel
system,
it's
very
similar
that
now
the
additional
renderings
that
we've
put
together
to
try
to
better
convey
the
south
and
east
sides.
This
is
looking
from
that
south
west
side
and
we've
tried
to
kind
of
keep
up
with
the
changes
in
the
landscape.
Y
Y
This
is
a
this
is
an
aerial
from
the
from
the
South.
We
did
do
some
studies
from
down
at
the
property
line
and
all
you
see
is
trees,
so
it
would
be
a
rendering
of
fake
trees.
So
we
brought
the
camera
up
to
really
show
a
sense
of
the
berm
landscape,
so
you
could
actually
see
what's
on
the
south
side
of
the
building,
so
this
is
obviously
an
elevated
perspective.
Y
This
is
actually
a
one
of
those
renderings
that
is
from
kind
of
basically
down
about
looking
in
from
about
here,
showing
the
new
roadway,
the
trees
that
are
as
part
of
the
public
roadway
improvement.
Then
the
other
layer
of
trees
beyond
and
then
finally,
a
view
from
the
east-northeast
again,
this
would
be
the
two-story
office
that
faces
north
did
try
to
focus
a
majority
of
the
overhead
doors
to
the
east,
wanting
to
keep
those
off
of
you
from.
A
Z
But
when
I
hear
comments
about
all
these,
these
lines
here,
I
try.
This
thing
you
how
to
do
it
anyway.
So
these
are
the
lines
on
the
paper
that
they're
talking
about,
but
it
means
a
lot
more
to
those
of
us.
Who've
been
involved
in
the
development
this.
This
is
a
way
to
get
or
90%
of
the
people
in
Des,
Moines
close
enough
to
a
network
to
be
able
to
have
inspiration
options.
Other
than
owning
rumors
are,
and
you
can
see
on
the
on
the
plan.
Z
There
is
a
an
intention
to
have
unfair
l16,
but
I'm
here
to
speak
in
support
of
the
staff
recommendation
of
voiding
the
deferral
on
it
I
there
were
a
couple
things
in
the
discussion:
I'd
like
to
point
out
and
des
Moines
right
across
the
city
boundary.
There
is
a
railroad
on
Veterans.
Parkway
comes
right
up
to
the
property
on
the
other
side
of
63rd,
so
say:
there's
no
sidewalk
near
biiss
and
feet
of
it.
Z
Another
thing
point
out
is:
there
is
already
some
connectivity
to
the
Great
Western
trail
here,
there's
a
road
that
is
likable,
it's
actually
close
to
be
a
killer
traffic.
Now
on
my
bike
by
there
and
another
thing
to
point
out,
is
there
are
apartment
complexes
on
this
side
of
the
river
on
the
side
of
the
river
near
the
proposed
development?
It
would
be
you
know
if
people
work
for
welding
her
and
live
there,
they
would
be
able
to
get
to
work
on
a
trail
and
the
whole
concern
about.
Z
How
do
you
get
the
trail
across
the
river
is
not
even
relevant
now.
The
point
is:
there's
Park
Park
in
the
plan,
and
that
is
even
closer,
but
the
network
connectivity
is
not
so
far
in
the
future.
If
you
really
look
at
land
in
what
run
around
it
point,
is
this
is
a
this
is
a
plan
the
city
has
approved,
but
he
is
intending
to
move
toward
it
and
the
way
to
do
that
is
when
please
even
the
kind
of
small
decisions
before
city
and.
A
A
AA
AA
And
easily
and
commission
members,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
My
name
is
George
Davis
and
I
represent
the
South
Western
Hills
Neighborhood
Association
we've
been
involved
with
this
project
for
well
ever
since
the
first
initial
meeting,
which
was
back
in
June,
we
have
some
concerns
moving
forward.
AA
One
of
the
concerns
we
have
is
well
as
the
Neighborhood
Association
we're
concerned
that
all
development
is
positive
within
the
neighborhood
and
everyone
would
get
something
out
of
each
development,
whether
it's
the
crews,
housing
development,
which
is
in
that
area,
the
potential
mic
nap
development,
which
is
in
that
area,
the
wall,
dinger
development
and
also
the
neighbors
that
are
in
the
area.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
find
a
happy
medium
for
everyone
in
the
area
and
make
it
also
a
positive
tax
base
for
des
moines.
AA
So
moving
forward
with
that,
I
think
the
concerns
that
we
have,
especially
with
wall
dinners,
is
they
haven't
met
with
the
neighborhood
until
an
emergency
meeting
was
called
on
Friday,
we
were
notified
about
a
meeting
on
a
Tuesday
or
Wednesday.
This
was
last
week
and
then
there
was
some
additions
to
this
morning
that
we
are
not
aware
of
so.
The
neighbors
and
other
development
areas
have
not
had
time
to
digest
their
proposal
at
this
time.
AA
Now,
if
you're
not
familiar
with
the
area,
it's
hard
to
pick
that
up,
I
will
say
that
the
street
improvements
or
the
street
redevelopment
on
Southwest
McKinley
was
based
on
a
traffic
study
that
was
done
in
May
18
of
2018.
Well,
since
that
traffic
stay
that's
when
it
was
approved,
so
it
was
done
previous
to
even
May
of
2018,
and
that
was
based
on
the
Southwest
connector
going
through
well
with
that
being
abandoned.
AA
What
we
have
is
we
have
an
asterisk
in
the
plan
of
plan,
a
plan
B
on
development
on
McKinley
if
the
south
west
connector
has
is
disapproved.
So
that
is
not
really
clear
as
the
way
the
way
that
is
going
to
be
developed
now
it
has
been
put
together,
but
we
do
feel
that
that
really
impedes
the
neighbors
which
are
along
this
area
right
here,
there's
five
neighbors
there
and
that
impedes
their.
AA
You
know
development
because
we're
reconfiguring
that
whole
street
along
there
on
the
balding
er
side
regarding
the
streets
I,
do
support
the
concern
of
welding
or
putting
a
ten-foot
multi
trail
moving
down
the
highway
28
or
63rd
Street.
When,
if
you
look
over
here,
you
connect
to
the
great
western
bike,
trail
right
down,
McKinley
Avenue
right
there.
So
here
we
are
trying
to
develop
something
in
the
future
down
63rd
that
might
not
happen
for
fifteen
or
sixteen
or
twenty
years,
when
the
immediate
impact
would
be
the
Great
Western
trail,
which
I
pointed
out
right
there.
AA
So
we
feel
that
McKinley
Avenue
has
to
be
reconstructed
and
redeveloped
moving
forward,
because
current
traffic
study
should
be
proposed
or
reviewed,
and
that's
some
of
the
concerns
that
the
neighbors
have
another
concern
that
we
have
with
that.
We
just
found
out
about
tonight.
That
is
the
recreational
area
that
balding
er
is
proposing.
Is
that
going
to
be
any
type
of
development,
or
is
it
just
going
to
be
open
land
and
with
not
screening
or
a
reason
to
not
screen
that
area,
because
it's
going
to
be
considered
a
recreation
area?
AA
A
L
It
did
sign
in
I
hate
for
me
to
be
characterized
as
somebody
speaking
against
development,
because
I'm
not
against
the
development,
never
have
been
against
the
development.
I
think
it's
a
wonderful
thing
for
Des
Moines
to
keep
welding
you're
here.
They're
a
great
company
I,
do
have
specific
concerns
about
the
actual
execution
of
the
project,
and
you
know
I'll
try
to
touch
on
them.
L
L
By
the
way,
the
change
in
the
acreage
that
will
be
draining
into
the
pond
I
think
was
estimated
by
a
staff
of
being
two
and
a
half
acres
and
that
may
have
come
from
Scheib
hattery
or
from
staff
I'm,
not
sure
with
whom
I
did
talk
to
my
engineer:
Jerry,
Oliver
and
hired
him
to
do
a
study,
and
he
identified
about
another
three
and
a
half
acres
above
that
that
he
believes
are
being
drained
into
the
pond.
So
there's
a
pretty
substantial
difference
in
I
think
what
staff
and
and
and
engineers
have
said,
I.
L
L
L
The
difficulty
is
the
method
by
which
they're
being
put
in
there
is,
as
was
mentioned,
a
berm
easement
that
I
was
granted
probably
20
years
ago,
was
changed
to
commercial,
is
50
feet
by
a
hundred
feet
and
then
his
raps
on
around
beyond
that,
that's
actually
on
property
I
own
entirely.
We
hired
tedlar
the
landscaping.
The
trees
that
you
guys
have
measured
are
all
the
trees
that
we
planted.
They
came
in
at
anywhere
from
8
to
14
feet
with
pine
trees
that
were
brought
in
by
spades.
L
Pretty
nice
large
deciduous
trees,
unfortunately,
their
emerald
oaks,
and
it
cost
me
about
seventy
five
hundred
every
two
years,
treat
them
that
I'm
trying
to
save
them
in
putting
in
the
pond
as
Walden's,
proposing
they
are
going
to
tear
the
berm
down,
which
happens
to
be
the
portion.
That
is
exactly
in
the
sight
line
from
my
front
door
to
their
storage
facility.
There
probably
I,
know
there's
their
identified
and
I've
got
it.
L
L
L
What
you
plant
in
there
there's
going
to
be
a
pretty
openview
I'm,
not
a
I,
think
him
had
I
been
involved.
What
I
would
suggested
is
it
rather
than
tearing
the
berm
down
and
replanting
it?
Would
it
not
be
possible
to
abandon
the
pipe
that
is
there
just
block
it
off?
Maybe
move
off
to
the
side
pointing
feet
and
bore
it
through,
so
that
the
trees
and
the
elevations?
You
know
the
stuff
that
I've
been
growing
for
20
years,
but
stay
and
continue
to
be
a
part
of
the
buffer
and
I
I'm.
L
Sure
mechanically
can
be
done.
I,
don't
know
the
cost.
I
know
that
the
sewer
lines
are
born
under
streets
all
the
time.
So
I
wonder
if
that
might
be
an
alternative
to
tearing
down
the
berm
and
I
would
say
further.
I
have
reviewed
the
berm
agreement.
I've
talked
to
the
attorneys
that
drew
it
up
and
quite
honestly,
is
there
opinion
that
Wallinger
doesn't
have
a
right
to
put
a
spade
of
dirt
out
of
it,
and
it
goes
through
an
mediation
process
where
you
get.
L
L
So
I'm
concerned
about
the
water,
the
berm
I
think
there's
a
way
to
accomplish
it.
The
wall.
You
know
we
started
out
with
a
double
row
of
six-foot
Pines,
which
I
will
tell
you
what
that
is,
that
may
hit
somebody's
minimum
standard.
It
is
far
below
what
I
consider
to
be
a
reasonable
standard.
When
you
talk
about
an
architectural
barrier
or
fencing
and
landscaping
and
I
think
this
has
been
beefed
up
and
you've
talked
about
a
10-foot
fence,
I
I,
don't
know
the
nature
of
the
10-foot
fence.
L
I,
don't
know
the
height
of
the
stories
that
airs
on
the
other
side
of
the
fence.
I'd
like
to
understand
that
you
know,
trailers
and
storage
facilities
are
hidden
from
sight.
I've
been
around
job
trailers,
stuff
they're,
not
really
a
practice.
I
did
just
for
the
sake
of
argument.
We
started
out
with
two
rows
of
six-foot
pines
by
I
had
my
wife
photograph,
a
wall
that
is
between
a
commercial
enterprise
and
a
residential
one
where
we
live
I'll,
tell
you
what
that's
a
concrete
block
wall
with
lick
and
stick
stone
on
the
outside
of
it.
L
L
D
L
Think
you
know
something
the
nature
of
a
wall
like
that
and
and
I.
Don't
know
the
nature
of
the
wall
that
they're
proposing,
but
something
that
would
be
you
know
have
some
appeal
in
appearance
would
act
as
a
sound
barrier
and
a
visual
barrier,
so
I
I,
guess
I'm
concerned
about
water
I'm
concerned
about
firm
and
the
wall.
That's.
A
A
O
Southwest
McKinley,
Avenue
and
I
wasn't
able
to
prepare
a
lot
of
stuff
because
things
were
brought
in
this
morning
that
we
found
out
last
week
and
one
of
them
and
that's
why
I
was
first
brought
up
about
having
an
extension,
because
one
of
it
is
the
road
waiting
from
my
house
is
gonna
disappear,
I
found
out
last
week
and
then
you
know
I
got
a
drain.
It
goes
underneath
that
screed
I
heard
Gary
Oliver,
also
to
look
at
it.
O
I
also
have
concern
on
the
berms,
because
when
you
look
out
my
window
and
I
was
doing
this
on
the
first
set.
That
and
I
had
a
3d
put
up
there,
and
this
is
what,
when
it
was
like
a
four-foot
berm
without
any
trees,
you're
not
really
shown
in
there
to
show
kind
of
like
alright.
My
way
there
we
go
and
and
that's
looking
out
at
my
house,
there
Chad
Ally's
at
61
16
who
just
had
to
leave
because
of
family
issues.
O
This
was
in
front
of
his
house.
Looking
out
and
I
know
those
have
changed
and
you
know
so.
They've
had
another
two
feet:
the
berms
and
there's
trees
and
I
see
all
that,
but
also
on
the
on
the
issue
with
the
trees,
a
lot
of
the
trees
that
they're
shown
they're
a
lot
of
leaf
trees,
there's
some
shrub
trees,
but
in
the
winter
time
those
leaves
are
gonna,
be
dropped
down
and
I'm
gonna
be
sitting
there
staring
at
a
building
and
even
with
some
of
the
shrubs
up
and
everything,
so
it
won't
be.
O
I
won't
have
any
block
or
bury
or
anything
else
they
show
on
other
parts
of
the
property
they're
showing
shrubs
being
up
there
like
blocking
on
the
one
side
as
I'm
seeing
rows
of
high
and
then
on
the
backside.
You
know
so
it's
blocking
263rd,
looking
in
and
so
forth,
I'm,
not
against
this
project.
I
was
wanting
a
bracelet,
also
I
thought,
through
this
whole
process
that
we
had
when
we
were
in
here.
O
The
last
time
we
were
talking
about
that
we'd
have
a
a
neighborhood
box
and
go
through
the
process,
neighborhood
agreement
on
that,
and
it
wasn't
really
addressed
to
that
issue.
Until
when
we
had
this
extension,
we
brought
up.
We
hadn't
heard
anything
from
all
dinger
and
that's
when
it
was
said
everything
came
all
at
once,
yes
and
what
was
doing
all
these
changes
and
so
forth.
O
I'm
lost
here,
because
I
have
I,
have
questions
they're
not
being
answered
here
tonight
that
it's
happening
in
front
of
my
property
in
my
house.
So
you
know
I
have
where
my
driveways
being
extended
out,
but
I
have
a
road
with
three
other
houses.
I
got
where
water
comes
down.
It
goes
underneath
the
street
a
drain
has
been
there
way
before
it's
a
big
drain
is
put
by
the
county
and
so
forth,
I
believe-
and
so
these
are
a
lot
of
questions
that
you
know
I'm
concerned
about
who's
going
to
own
that
land
I
mean.
O
O
There's
traffic
going
out
on
the
other
way
on
scout
trail,
but
there's
no
stoplights,
so
you're
gonna
have
where
people
get
out
going
one
way,
but
they're
gonna
have
to
wait,
one
of
them
during
high
traffic
periods
and
everything
nobody's
address.
You
know
that
issue
how
you
gonna
do
that,
because
people
come
from
the
east
side,
they're
gonna
be
going
up
through
56,
which
is
several
different
ways
to
get
up
there.
The
roads
aren't
adequate,
it's
just
blacktop
over
gravel
and
so
forth
that
one
part
and
then
McKinley,
which
is
not.
F
O
Window
there
in
the
elevations
area,
what
did
you
you
know?
Go
there
on
the
height
that
you
didn't
you
weren't
able
to
go:
hey,
okay
and
and
we'll
be
getting
that
too,
because
it's
going
out
looking
out
where
the
heights
of
my
house
goes
in,
looking
at,
like
I
said,
is
higher
than
what
is
being
perceived,
which
they
said
is
based
on
a
sick
person
on
the
street,
looking
out
up,
which
my
house,
like
I,
said
it's
higher
up
with
the
windows
looking
out
looking
over.
O
So
there's
just
a
lot
of
questions
that
haven't
been
really
answered.
All
at
the
last
minute
here
with
us,
so
I
feel
the
neighborhood.
We
need
to
have
some
more
time
to
digest,
instead
of
really
progressing
forward,
even
though
city
staff
is
recommended
on
some
of
these
that
they
would
do
and
so
forth.
So
anyway,
I'm
done
right
now.
My
of
this
any
questions.
V
As
you
come
down,
the
Veterans
Parkway
you're
going
to
find
that
you
know
here
you
can
just
go
on
down
the
road
and
around,
which
is
Nick
just
pointed
out
that
the
roads
are
inadequate,
like
top
over
gravel
they're,
already
fallen
or
anything
just
resurfaced
two
years
ago,
and
the
the
only
way
out
of
there
is
56,
which
is
really
falling.
Apart
now,.
F
V
V
A
N
N
I
wasn't
going
to
speak,
but
I
am
my
name
is
Deb
Whitehead
and
I
live
at
6000.
Mckinley
I
am
opposed
to
this.
Only
for
the
fact
that
and
I'm
not
saying
anything
bad
about
you
guys
all
of
the
traffic
that
goes
down
our
street.
There
is
a
lot
of
people
that
walk
on
our
street.
I
am
one
of
them,
because
I
had
a
brain
aneurysm
last
year
and
without
any
trails
without
any
sidewalks
on
our
street
and
there
isn't
any
sidewalks.
Those
of
us
who
walk
up
and
down
our
street.
N
We
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
walk
up
and
down
our
street
without
any
sidewalks
and
with
all
that
added
traffic.
We're
gonna
be
in
trouble
without
sidewalks
I
have
to
walk.
That
is
the
Brecon
commandment
I
should
say
by
my
doctor
that
I
walk
or
I'm
going
to
end
up
in
the
hospital
or
in
a
nursing
home.
N
If
I
don't
keep
my
blood
pressure
down
and
I
don't
exercise,
because
if
my
blood
pressure
goes
back
up
that
aneurysm
that
I
have
in
my
brain
is
going
to
burst,
so
I
have
to
be
able
to
walk
and
with
all
that
added
traffic
down
our
street
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
so.
Therefore,
the
people
like
me,
the
people
like
other
people,
down
our
street
that
have
to
walk
and
the
bicyclist.
Where
are
we
supposed
to
go?
N
F
A
M
Whether
a
lot
of
them,
I,
guess
the
we
probably
didn't
illustrate
very
clearly
but
on
the
south
side,
remember
some
of
the
McKinley
work,
but
I
won't
be
quite
frank.
We
would
have
loved
to
have
just
come
into
the
project
into
the
drive
entering
the
building
and
kind
of
left
McKinley
alone,
but
the
reality
is
that
cities,
traffic
and
safety
staff
weren't
comfortable
with
that
fairly
abrupt
I
into
old
McKinley
from
what
was
to
be
the
parkway.
M
So
we've
been
tasked
to
do
the
public
improvements
to
improve
that
Street
and
as
a
result
of
that,
we
have
added,
there
is
a
sidewalk
now
I,
granted
it's
on
the
developer
side
that
be
our
side
of
the
street.
That
runs
all
the
way
from
centrally
63rd
the
property
line,
so
well
that
won't
be
as
convenient
because
you'd
have
to
cross
this.
You
have
to
cross
McKinley
walk
on
that
sidewalk.
There
is
a
sidewalk
on
the
entire
south
property
line.
M
It
doesn't
go
anywhere,
admittedly,
because
there's
nothing
to
connect
it
to
either
going
east
on
McKinley.
We
tend
to
agree
with
the
neighbors
and
we
have
to
be
hopeful
on
our
part
about
the
move
des
moines
plan
and
the
future
improvements
of
56,
which
is
a
difficult
street.
We
aren't
going
to
encourage
any
of
our
trucks
and
delivery
people
to
take
56th
up
toward
color,
converting
and
a
15
mile,
an
hour
curve
on
a
poorly
developed
road.
But
that's
really
not
our
challenge.
Move
des
moines
and
the
property
or
the
development
of
roadways.
M
East
of
our
property
is
probably
the
city's
domain
on
the
water
right.
I'll.
Let
Mike
address
the
water
flow,
we're
not
against
the
trails
and
I
want
to
be
sure.
The
message
was
clear:
we've
been
in
des
moines,
113
years,
we're
not
going
to
avoid
our
obligations
in
the
future.
It
just
doesn't
make
sense
to
us
to
spend
what
is
not
a
small
amount
of
money.
X
You
know
just
to
build
on
that
you're
lucky
I
said
there
is
a
five-foot
sidewalk
along
the
whole
northern
side
of
Manley
and
that
will
connect
boo,
Southwest
63rd
and
have
access
across
the
street
to
the
West
Des
Moines
portion
of
the
trail.
In
order
to
address
just
addressing
some
of
the
water
quote,
the
water
that
Mike
brought
up
with
any
development
there's
an
increase
in
volume.
We
are
meeting
all
the
relate
regulations
actually
exceeding
the
regulations
of
the
City
of
Des
Moines.
X
The
volume
increase,
quite
frankly
to
Knapp's
pond
as
a
result
of
our
development
is
202
percent
and
that
that's
because
you're
converting
pervious
area
to
impervious
area.
That's
the
reason
why
we
could
instruct
detention
ponds.
That's
the
reason
why
we
have
the
water
quality
standard
and
we're
like
I,
said
meeting
or
exceeding
those
requirements.
X
There's
a
69%
decrease
in
the
flow
rate
coming
towards
Mike
Knapp
spawned
in
100-year
storm.
So
you
know,
obviously,
as
a
development
occurs,
we
have
to
release
the
water
at
a
five-year
pre-developed
rate.
Whereas
previously,
if
a
hundred
year
storm
fell
on
that
property,
it
would
go
onto
the
other
property
immediately
with
no
detention
and
then,
furthermore,
our
allowable
release
rate
Mike
NAB's
pond
is.
X
Twenty
six
point:
seven
eight
CFS
based
off
the
existing
conditions.
We
are
only
going
to
be
releasing
thirteen
point,
six
for
CFS,
so
that's
a
49%
reduction
or
even
lower
than
what
we're
allowed.
The
Centaurs
is
on
now.
Additionally,
we're
meeting
all
the
water
qualities
as
well
as
with
that
extended
detention
time.
X
I
appreciate
what
staff
has
done.
City
staff
is
down,
as
well
as
the
collective
and
creating
a
trail
network.
You
know,
George
brings
up
a
good
point
and
that's
I
think
what
we're
talking
trying
to
talk
about
here
is
the
connectivity
and
what
makes
the
most
sense
you
know.
Is
there
a
connection
down
McKinlay?
X
That
makes
more
sense
as
far
as
you
know,
having
that
direct
connection
to
the
Great
Western
trail
again,
like
I,
said
welding
hers
in
full
support
of
the
trail
and
once
the
trail
is
an
amenity
and
benefit
it
just
wishes
to
defer
and
put
up
a
bond
for
the
construction
cost
of
that
trail
when
that
momentum
picks
up
and
that
trail
starts
getting
installed
rather
than
being
the
first
one
on
the
block
and
again
it
goes
to
nowhere.
So
thank
you
very
much.
W
Just
like
to
weigh
in
on
a
couple
other
questions
were
asked
the
question
about
the
fence
material.
It's
going
to
be
an
architecture,
and
this
is
the
screen
fence
for
the
outdoor
storage
area.
That
I'm
speaking
of
mr.
Knapp,
asked
about
what
that's
going
to
be.
It's
going
to
be
an
architectural
metal
panel.
W
That's
for
the
recommendation
of
staff
that
will
be
essentially
an
expression
of
the
building
or
influenced
by
the
building,
we'll
be
working
on
the
detail
of
that
with
staff.
So
your
approval
tonight
here
is
basically
saying
we
approve
the
site
plan
and
per
the
conditions.
We
would
continue
to
work
with
staff
to
find
a
fence
design
that
is
acceptable
to
them
and
safeguards
the
neighbors.
W
So
it's
not
our
intent
to
shirk
that
in
any
way,
there
was
a
comment
about
the
open
lawn
area
that
I
said,
might
host
an
occasional
event
being
interpreted
as
a
recreation
space.
Not
that's
not
the
intent
at
all,
we're
talking
about
once
or
twice
a
year
or
having
some
sort
of
picnic
out
there.
This
is
not
a
neighborhood
recreation
center.
There's
no
impacts
to
the
neighbors
you'd
be
talking
about
a
Saturday
afternoon
having
a
family
picnic
and
the
worst
thing
that's
going
to
happen.
W
There
is,
you
know
some
families
and
kids
might
be
enjoying
themselves.
This
is
not
a
recreation
area,
no
need
for
screening
that
and
I
think
Mike
adequately
covered
the
drainage
area.
I
guess
the
one
thing
I
would
ask
Mike
to
speak
to
Mike
Anthony
to
speak.
To
is
what
the
what
we
need
to
do
to
get
the
engineering
solution
to
provide
an
appropriate
outlet
for
our
ponds
that
impacts
that
berm.
X
Yeah
it's
a
difficult
solution.
We
could
definitely
look
further
into
possibly
boring,
but
the
way
that
the
ground
is
the
topography
is
in
that
area.
It
basically
creates
you
know
spots
that
will
hold
water
against
the
berm.
So
it
was
twofold
as
far
as
putting
that
pipe
in
well,
threefold
number
one
was
to
install
the
pipe
and
then
you
know
it
has
to
go
through
the
berm
and
enter
in
the
same
position
as
it
was
before.
X
The
I
just
lost
my
train
of
thought
on
the
third
one,
but
oh
the
emergency
overflow
for
the
detention
pond.
So
you
know
that's
we're,
basically,
grading
a
small
swell
right
over
the
top
of
that
existing
pipe.
So
that
way,
if,
if
the
pond,
whatever
in
the
catastrophic
rainfall
event
ever
fill
up,
that
it
would
have
a
way
of
to
get
out
and
exit,
so
we
tried
to
look
at
a
different
ways.
X
We've
minimized
the
grading
immensely
in
that
area
as
a
result
of
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
could
grade
the
area
appropriately
in
order
to
make
it
drain
without
having
to
add
a
bunch
of
drains
and
additional
things.
But
we
can
certainly
take
another
look
at
whether
or
not
a
boring
solution
is
an
option.
But
at
this
point
it
just
wasn't
just
based
off
the
topography.
That's
in
that
area
and
the
challenges
that
exist
by
that
pipe
in
I.
Y
Think
the
only
item
I
was
gonna
comment
on
and
Craig
did
mention.
It
is
the
screening
of
the
storage
yard
area.
The
requirements
that
we
were
asked
to
meet
was
to
provide
an
architectural
screen
panel
system
or
fencing
and
landscaping.
Our
first
recommendation
was
to
use
heavy
landscaping
around
that
sward
yard
area
staff
specifically
asked
us
to
do
an
architectural
and
metal
reading
fencing.
A
Guess
it
sounds
like
most
neighbors
coming
Yvette.
You
know,
you've
been
a
good
neighbor
and
you
know
for
the
most
part
of
it,
I
just
kind
of
need.
It
in
my
mind,
understand
about
the
last
minute
trying
to
connect
with
the
neighbors
a
meeting
at
the
last
minute.
What
happened
with
that?
Let's
back
up.
M
M
There
were
two
other
occasions
when
we
tried
to
reach
out.
One
was
just
simply
to
say
if
you
really
would
like
to
come
by
our
facility
to
get
a
sense
of
what
we
do
we'll
make
that
available.
We
had
several
come
I'm,
including
word
councilman,
Mandelbaum
the
tour
of
the
facility
and
get
a
sense
of
what
do
we
make
and
what
does
it
look
like
when
it
comes
out
of
here
and
is
it
a
noisy
offensive
process?
M
So
we've
tried
to
make
those
opportunities,
and
sometimes
when
you
send
those
notes
out,
it's
not
that
convenient
I
mean
Jordan.
I
was
poaching
all
the
time,
so
it's
kind
of
hard
for
him
to
say
well,
I
can
just
drop
by
I.
Think
the
Dinsdale's
came
by
and
asked
stop
by
one
day
and
asked
if
they
could
get
some
information
and
I
think
we
sat
down
and
went
over
renderings
of
the
building
and
elevations
to
give
them
a
brief
snapshot,
but
we
weren't
done
with
public
improvements.
M
Frankly,
we
didn't
have
all
of
staffs
in,
but
so
sharing
preliminary
documents
is
hard.
We've
only
just
completed
and
in
preparation
for
this
meeting
only
just
been
able
to
amend,
elevations
and
plantings,
and
so
it's
as
I
told
him
last
week
when
we
met
at
the
scouts
headquarters,
kinda
dangerous
for
us
to
give
out
preliminary
drawings
and
have
sort
of
bad
info
circulating.
So
the
meeting
last
week,
admittedly
short
notice,
but
our
best
attempt
to
give
them
the
latest
information
on
a
voluntary
basis
not
to
hide
to
pee.
M
H
M
Sense,
well,
there
are
a
couple
challenges.
If
you
look
at
the
site
plan
you'll
see
that
we
only
bought
a
small
piece
of
the
scouts
land,
so
there's
only
a
little
bit
of
scouts
trail
there
to
work
with
the
other.
Is
we
kind
of
get
quickly
into
that
detention
area?
So
shifting
the
focus
of
production
delivery
to
the
north
in
one
instance
would
have
required
us
to
abandon
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
of
manufacturing
equipment.
That
is
oriented
one
way
and
not
the
other.
M
So
we
did
look
at
that,
but
don't
control
that
other
piece
of
scouts
land
to
work
on
it.
Also,
we
felt
that
we
have
two
types
of
traffic.
We
have
employees
who
work
in
the
office
building
and
come
to
park
and
for
the
owner's
sake
our
preference
was
to
mate
for
aunt.
Well,
for
two
reasons:
one
the
the
most
energy-efficient
component
of
the
building
is
orient
the
building
to
the
north
or
northeast.
We
decrease
the
solar
load
and
the
amount
of
solar
shading
required.
M
So
we
also
felt
that
the
view
line
to
the
north
or
northeast
for
employees
was
best,
but
we've
tried
to
maximize
it
on
daylight
for
employees
who
work
in
the
building.
That's
really
what
drove
orientation!
The
other
is
that
truck
traffic.
We
don't
I,
wouldn't
say
we
go
any
directions
specifically
we'll
go
back
to
Park
Avenue
to
go
downtown,
we'll
go
to
235
up
63rd
to
go
east,
west
or
north
wouldn't
say
we
expect
to
go
south
very
much,
but
that's
just
my
that's!
X
As
well
as
there's
a
typography
issue
there
at
the
col
de
sac
of
scout
trail,
it's
a
very
steep
slope
up
to
our
site,
and
then
it
falls
down
as
you
would
curl
that
road
back
around
to
the
north
in
order
to
have
access-
and
it
wouldn't
be
very
conducive.
If
you're
putting
a
road
through
to
connect
to
the
production
area.
I
Gregg
one
additional
comment:
they
are
meeting
what
our
traffic
department
is
requested
for
connections
for
the
street
and
I.
If
I
recall
on
the
Southwest
connector
one
of
the
reasons
why
that
was
eliminated
from
the
transportation
plan
was
it
build
out.
It
was
a
very
about
nine
thousand
cars
a
day
and
it
just
been
tossed
out.
Buddy
I
think
that
kind
of
roadway
in
so
even
at
9,000
cars
a
day
every
one
of
those
elected
to
take
Emily.
R
M
About
that,
oh
yeah,
there's
a
practical
matter,
I,
don't
think
we
can
quite
I,
don't
know
that
we
could
solve
that
very
easily
unless
we
put
the
dug
a
bigger
hole
in
the
ground
or
something
to
get
the
building
hidden.
From
all
perspective,
as
we
were
asked
by
staff
with
minimizing
the
view
of
overhead
doors,
at
least
that's
what
was
in
the
comments
that
were
approved
by
City
Council
when
it
when
it
said,
come
back,
make
sure
you
make
all
efforts,
so
we
have
minimized
to
the
maximum.
M
We
can
any
doors
in
the
south
side
of
the
building,
but
that
one
of
those
is
an
electrical
one
is
a
mechanical
sort
of
entrance
that
the
major
load
out
is
on
the
east
face
and
that's
a
recess
truck.
Well,
so
we've
tried
to
keep
head
Heights
and
doors
low,
I,
I,
don't
know
the
requirements
specifically
for
what
it
would
in
this
case
be
c2
facing
residential,
but
I
think
that
the
berm
Heights
and
the
tree-planting
Heights
were
using
exceed
the
standard
and
so
we're
trying
to
met.
M
T
Let
me
quickly
speak
in
favor
of
the
not
waiving
the
requirement
for
the
bike
for
the
infant
trail.
You
know
in
the
past
we
have,
when
you
know
there,
we've
been
in
a
industrial
area,
there's
no
connectivity
with
by
with
with
sidewalks
we've
said
well,
there
doesn't
make
much
sense
to
build
a
sidewalk
there
here,
I,
don't
think.
That's
the
case
at
all.
I
think
that
again,
there's
the
there's
a
trail
that
goes
up.
T
If
you're
biking
on
a
road
like
like
that,
one
there's
benefit
to
being
off
the
road
for
a
certain
amount
of
time
right.
So
so,
even
if
you
can't
be
on
the
trail,
the
whole
way
there's
certainly
use
in
short,
Braille
and
so
I
guess
I
worry
that
if
we
make
exceptions
or
we
say
well,
nobody
has
to
build
until
there's
a
network
there
right.
Then
there
will
never
be
a
network
there,
because
so
I,
just
I
I
think
that
we
need
to
just
stick
to
what
staff
has
said
there.
U
Gonna
take
a
contrarian
view.
As
someone
who's
experienced,
a
brailles
across
the
state
I
find
that
rails
are
adjacent
busy
highways
are
very
seldom
used.
A
perfect
example
is
the
diagonal
that
runs
from
a
Des
Moines
dude
up
the
Marshalltown
you'll
see
there's
a
rail
there
and
it's
very
seldom
used
by
bikers
or
walkers
simply
because
it's
adjacent
to
a
heavily
trafficked
perfected
highway.
U
The
speed
limit
I
think
on
that
63rd
Street
is
thinking,
they're,
45
or
50
and
I.
Think
realistically,
that's
minimum
I
think
it'd
be
very
dangerous
for
any
of
people
walking
across
that
road
flowing
from
west
to
east.
Third
guess
your
sidewalk
and
I
think
I'm
cognizant
of
it.
I
encourage
rails
whenever
possible,
I
think
the
sidewalk
on
63
yeah
and
this
would
qualify
for
an
exception.
U
I
would
think
that
I'm
not
as
familiar
with
mentally
sidewalk
in
the
traffic
there,
but
this
is
a
disconnected
rail
that
might
be
more
feasible,
but
my
experience
and
I'm
after
the
scout
shop
a
couple
times
a
month.
That's
why
couldn't
I
couldn't
remember
if
the
scouts
have
a
sidewalk
on
their
property,
but
I
think
no
one
else
could
give
me
an
answer
to
that
I,
but
I
would
have
to
be
would
agree
that
I
would
get
the
fishnet
from
putting
a
sidewalk
in
this
special
occasion.
Based
on
these
circumstances,.
U
A
AB
I
AC
I
I
G
I
M
M
G
H
I
Development
that
may
occur
to
the
west
of
this
site.
We
would
hopefully
be
getting
sidewalk
on
the
north
side
of
McKinley.
That
would
connect,
as
the
South
Side's
already
developed,
would
probably
be
getting
sidewalk
on
the
south
side
as
as
readily
as
you
would
on
the
north
side
of
McKinley,
and
so
I
think
we
would
prefer
to
stay
on
the
north
side.
Just
the
opportunity
to
hopefully
in
the
near
future,
be
extending
that
side
a
lot
along
any
subdivision
that
would
Northam
akin
lee
and
east
of
this
site.
H
H
H
H
I
First
comment
is:
they
have
to
comply
with
the
permit
Development
Center
comments,
which
our
staff
has
to
make
sure
the
design
meet.
Our
our
stormwater
standards
or
the
development.
Certainly
we'd
encourage
continued
discussions,
but
I
don't
know
that
we
can
require
mediation
between
property
owners
and.
H
I,
don't
know
that
we,
maybe
it's
more
of
a
good-faith
thing.
Maybe
it's
more!
I
I
don't
know
I.
For
me.
It's
quality,
not
quantity,
of
water,
going
over
there,
no
we're
this
is
a
grass
field
and
we're
big
roof
water
and
pavement
water,
yucky,
stuff,
I'm
sure
you
guys
are
gonna,
filter
it
and
do
a
great
job
and
I.
Just
I'd
like
to
see
that
explained
and
just
sort
of
a
neighborly
way
and
I
don't
mean
it
is
a
well.
Let
me.
E
R
E
G
G
G
G
L
E
Only
reason
the
only
reason
I
see
the
only
reason.
I
say
that
is
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think
you're
very
far
off
and
I.
Think
the
scary
part
for
the
neighbors
is
that
something
happened
today.
I
understand
the
development
process
and
how
plans
have
to
get
done
and
dotted
out
of
that.
But
the
neighbors
don't
understand
that
process
and
they're
not
privy
to
that
process
and
just
a
little
bit
more
hand-holding.
E
E
A
R
A
E
A
G
A
A
A
A
Everyone
about
it,
so
the
sytem
has
continued
to
our
April
kids
meeting.
Thank
you
very
much.
Others
attended
we're
ready
for
item
number
six.
We
know
this
is
a
request
from
Savannah
olds
for
review
and
approval
of
a
sixth
amendment
to
Brooke
run
PUC
conceptual
plans
to
allow
property
at
three
seven.
Four:
zero
village
run
drive-in
tenifer,
Neighborhood,
Development
commercial
neighborhood,
commercial
development
to
be
divided
into
three
Lots
for
single-family
residential
development,
Oh.
G
C
G
G
C
Chair
members
of
commission
Jason
man
has
some
city's
planning
staff.
The
subject
property
is
located
in
the
brick
run,
PUD
or
Brooklyn.
It
run
neighborhood.
So
the
entire
area,
zoned
PUD,
is
highlighted
the
focus
area
of
the
parcel,
that's
really
our.
What
we're
gonna
discuss
tonight
is
up.
In
this
area.
Up
off
of
Douglas
Avenue
north
edge
of
the
development
village
run
drive.
C
So
the
site's
really
small,
but
as
a
long-standing
policy,
we
notify
everybody
within
the
PUD
and
then
the
surrounding
250
feet.
So
that's
you
know,
that's
why
we're
have
have
a
large
notice
area,
perhaps
a
little
larger
than
what
were
accustomed
to
with
some
of
our
items
and
what
you
see
this
is
the
north
part
of
the
project,
the
site
looking
towards
the
south.
This
is
from
the
street
within
the
development
looking
towards
the
west.
C
C
Really
focus
on
is
up
up
in
this
corner.
You
can
see
that
the
this
is
the
approved
plan.
Unit
development
conceptual
plan
shows
it
as
a
single
parcel.
It
was
plaited
as
a
single
parcel.
The
PUD
currently
allows
use
of
this
property
for
any
use
allowed
in
our
c1
a
neighborhood
commercial
district.
That
district
allows
office,
uses
less
intensive,
intense
commercial
uses
multi-family,
and
so
the
proposal
is
to
divide
this
out
into
three
Lots
and
allow
or
single-family
development.
This
is
the
amended
plan
or
proposed
amended
plan.
C
It's
not
a
rezoning
amendment
to
the
conceptual
plan
and
you
know
so,
there's
not.
We
don't
need
to
get
into.
Does
it
conform
with
the
land
use
plan?
Certainly
the
land
use
plan
envisions
residential
uses
in
this
area.
It's
really
more
about
how
would
this
site
go
about
getting
developed,
so
the
staff
we
are
recommend
recommending
denial.
The
request
and
the
reason
for
that
is
that
this
site
is
large
enough,
that
if
it's
plaited
out
as
three
Lots,
those
three
Lots
will
have
to
have
their
own
stormwater
facilities
and
and
maintain
those.
C
We
don't
think
that
that's
something
that
these
three
Lots
over
the
long
term
we're
gonna
be
able
to
do
it's
a
reasonable
request
to
have
on
these
three
parcels
to
have
their
own
facility
is
separate
from
everybody
else,
and
so
we
think
it's
better.
Just
continue
on
with
the
plan,
as
is
leave
it
for
a
single
site
development
that
could
be
a
single-family
house
and
a
larger
lot.
I
could
also
be
one
of
the
other
uses
that
are
allowed
in
the
c1
district.
C
C
C
You
know
currently,
so
it's
the
hard
thing
with
this
proposal
is
that
there
are
issues
in
the
broader
area,
but
there
are
vested
rights
for
this
property
just
like
any
of
the
other
properties
in
the
development
that
have
been
developed
over
the
years
with
single-family
development
down
homes
and
so
I,
not
sure
that
any
of
them
were
really
focused
on.
Should
this
be
commercially
developed
or
should
it
be
developed
with
three
houses,
but
the
focus
is
more
about
the
broader
issue.
C
V
C
C
C
What
what
is
thought
to
be
the
problem
is:
is
that
it's
it's
not
that
when
this
development
came
through
at
the
time,
the
development
standards
will
really
address
your
100-year
storm
event
or
1%
events
and
the
more
storm
or
the
water
quality
control
type
requirements
that
we
have
nowadays
we're
in
place
which
catch
a
lot
of
that
in
between
storm
events
and
that
those
are
really
the
ones
that
are
happening
more
frequently
that
lead
to
some
of
the
erosion.
So
that's
as
I
understand
it.
C
AA
P
P
Our
stormwater
impact,
according
to
our
engineer,
would
be
about
half
of
1%.
Normally,
everyone
is
in
favor
converting
neighborhood
commercial
into
single-family.
We
sent
out
a
hundred
and
ten
invitations
to
our
neighborhood
meeting.
One
family
attended
the
south
thirty
feet
of
our
parcel
is
covered
by
the
E
by
an
easement
with
the
parks
department.
So
the
usable
space,
the
30
foot,
easement
that
the
parks
department
has
is
less
than
an
acre.
P
A
No
votes
is
necessarily
correct.
Okay,
so
thank
you
very
much
and
just
for
the
but
I
do
want
to
clarify
for
anyone
who
was
here
today
to
speak
to
this
issue.
The
applicant
is
was
drying
the
request
that
he
had
so
unless
anyone
I
guess
age
to
death.
Does
anyone
understand
have
a
comment
about
that
I'm
forward,
sir?
AC
Fortran
3600
village
run
drive
map
on
from
that
open
lot.
I'm
the
sixth
house
down
eight
on
that
lot
and
we
have
they
did
make
all
of
the
creek.
But
it's
not
it's
a
waterway
drainage
that
should
have
been
put
a
culvert
in
and
done
it
correctly.
When
the
development
initiative
initiative
started
this
past
summer,
due
to
the
erosion
the
water
come
down,
our
part
away,
six
feet
deep
white
water,
it
looks
like
a
Colorado
River
and
it's
taking
too
big
30-foot
trees
with
it
out
of
my
yard
and
has
taken
the
neighbors.
AC
It
goes
fast.
We
had
a
20-foot
log
of
all
like
that
big
around
it
took
it
down
the
creek,
a
round
of
Peninsula
without
a
problem
who's
gone
the
next
morning
and
so
I've
lost
two
trees.
My
neighbor
lost
a
tree.
My
neighbor
to
the
south
to
me
he's
got
a
tree
that
about
40%
of
the
root
base,
hangs
out
over
the
creek.
It's
going
to
come
down
and
just
not
faired
our
neighborhood
that
something
isn't
being
done
about
this
erosion.
You
go
down
to
this
water.
AC
What
do
you
call
detention?
It's
a
mud
hole,
not
a
pond.
It's
a
mud
hole.
There's
an
island
of
mud
coming
out
of
the
culvert,
that's
probably
12
feet
wide
by
20
feet,
long
mud,
and
mostly
that's
my
brother,
my
dirt,
because
it's
it's
that
bad
I've
lost
I've
lost
ten
feet
on
both
sides
of
my
water
way
out
of
my
yard,
that
much
dirt
and
that
much
it's
just
taken
my
shoreline
away
with
it.
AC
A
K
AC
A
F
Been
a
long
night
and
I
appreciate
your
patience
and
it's
been
long
for
us
to
I
just
appreciate
speaking
to
just
for
a
moment.
If
I
may,
my
name
is
Martita
Behar,
3717,
Brook,
Run,
Drive
I'm,
president
at
the
brook
run
village
owners
association.
We
realized
that
what
was
to
be
a
hearing
tonight
was
about
a
rezoning
request
for
one
large
lot
in
our
neighborhood,
but
for
the
good
people,
good
people,
the
brick
run.
F
It
was
also
an
opportunity
for
us
to
publicly
proclaim
our
very
real
stormwater
runoff
threats
for
the
board
of
directors
of
the
Brooklyn
owners
association
that
wanted
to
go
on
record
opposing
the
proposed
development.
Now
before
you
of
the
vacant
land
at
3740,
Billy's,
Run,
Drive
and
the
opposition
was
overwhelmingly
necessary
because
the
impervious
surfaces
resulting
from
said
development
would
exacerbate.
Brooke
runs
serious
storm
water
erosion
issues.
F
F
Brooklyn
neighborhood
is
faced
with
a
well-documented,
well-documented
cost
estimate
of
more
than
two
million
dollars
to
overcome
these
stormwater
erosion
issues.
The
Creek
along
village,
Run
Drive,
has
some
of
the
most
severe
erosion
at
an
estimated
cost
to
fix
at
over
$900,000
roofs,
driveways
and
other
impervious
structures
built
on
the
line
at
3740,
Village
Run
Drive
would
feed
directly
into
and,
we
believe,
significantly
add
to
the
erosion
mess.
So,
in
summary,
here's
a
situation
we
face
as
elected
neighborhood
leaders
with
a
duty
and
responsibility
to
represent
the
best
interests
of
our
neighborhood.
G
F
New
developments
to
our
east
and
south
impact
us
with
stormwater
runoff
sin
to
the
bit
into
the
brook
run
basin.
So
all
this
we're
told
by
city
representatives
that
brick
run
is
fortunate.
They
tell
us
we're
fortunate
to
have
in
effect
open
storm
sewers
rather
than
underground
pipe,
and
that
would
be
true,
but
if
it
were
pipe,
it
would
be
in
the
public
domain
and
municipal
assistance
might
be
more
accessible.
F
Told
that
our
erosion
problems
are
a
private
concern
and
that
flows
in
the
Brooklands
basins
meet
government,
cut
criteria
plain
and
simple.
That's
all
we're
told,
in
other
words
we're
told
smile
will
be
happy,
but
we
can't
believe
a
crisis
and
looming
until
the
situation
is
relieved.
Any
development
of
a
lot
37,
40
billion
drive
should
be
off
the
table.
F
G
E
C
Eriell
in
front
of
the
Commission
the
segments
of
right
away-
it's
just
north
of
where
we
are
currently,
you
can
see
the
municipal
service
center
down
here
at
the
South.
So
this
is
the
East
14th
South
East,
14th
Street
Viaduct
rail
lines.
You
probably
recall
that
there's
a
fair
amount
of
vegetation
through
here
and
quite
a
bit
of
grade
change
between
the
neighborhood
to
the
north
and
then
as
we
move
towards
where
we
are
today.
So
these.
C
C
There
is
a
card
from
the
association
going
around
so
that
doesn't
isn't
reflected
on
the
map
as
staff.
We're
supportive
I
mean
I.
Think
the
thing
to
think
about
keep
in
mind
when
the
these
vacation
requests
come
before
us
we're,
not
the
body.
That's
deciding
you
know
who
we
selling
this
to
how
much
we
sell
before
our
we're
tasked
with
deciding
is
the
right-of-way
needed
it
for
a
public
purpose.
I,
don't
believe
that
there's
a
need
for
this
right
away
to
serve
a
public
purpose,
it's
fine
for
it
to
be
vacated
and
conveyed.
C
The
easternmost
these
are
the
conditions
the
easternmost
200
feet
of
requested
East
Vine
Street
right
away,
which
is
part
H
of
the
request
shall
be
excluded
from
the
vacation.
Given
the
existing
railroad
activity,
there's
concern
with
that's
impact
on
the
railroad,
though
these
two
is
the
convenient
their
conveyance
excuse
me,
you
have
any
requested
regulation
Kerr
in
accordance
with
a
redevelopment
plan,
is
approved
by
the
City
Council
I.
Believe
there's.
This
is
the
point
of
contention
and
I'll.
C
Let
that
can
speak
to
that
I
think
they
have
concerns
about
how
you
staged
their
future
rezoning
request,
they'd
be
coming
back.
This
I
jumped
over
this
is
predominantly
zoned
residential
and
so
they'll
have
to
get
industrial
zoning,
so
they'd
be
back
before
you
as
staff.
We
believe
that
all
can
be
facilitated,
but
I'll.
C
Let
them
speak
to
that
three
easements
for
any
existing
utility
shall
be
provided
until
such
time,
they're,
abandoned
or
relocated
at
the
applicants,
expense
or
in
element
that
incorporates
the
right-of-way
shall
comply
with
all
zoning
site
plan
regulations
really
just
saying:
what's
has
to
be
done,
I'm
just
calling
it
out
there
sure
everybody's
aware
of
that.
Any
development
that
incorporates
the
right-of-way
shall
comply
with
the
tree
removal
mitigation
ordinance.
This
is
a
requirement
as
well,
but
we
wanted
to
draw
a
special
attention
to
it,
because
this
area
is
heavily
wooded.
C
The
long
term
proposal
is
I
believe
and
I'll
I,
don't
want
to
speak
too
much
for
the
applicant,
but
I
think
a
fair
amount
would
be
at
least
at
the
bottom
of
the
hill
cleared
out
and
that
they
would
use
this
kind
of
an
a
lineal
fashion
for
outdoor
storage
of
of
equipment,
junk
and
debris.
So
Roelofs,
okay,.
AD
AD
A
piece
of
street
that
belongs
the
city:
it
has
railroad
right
away,
so
we
have
to
create
a
line
across
that
last
200
feet
that
we're
trying
to
ask
you
to
vacate,
but
we
don't
want
to
chop
it
off
straight.
We
want
to
get
this
corner
because
it's
a
necessity
to
enter
this
piece.
It's
at
a
diagonal,
so
joel
has
drawn
this
up,
I
think
in
the
description.
It's
probably
described
that
way
already,
so
we
have
no
difficulty
with
this
and
use
it
anyhow,
and
we
don't
want
to
buy
something
that
railroads
on
anyhow.
AD
AD
AD
Communication
line
running
through
part
of
it
and
there's
an
AT&T
line
running
through
the
center
of
it.
So
as
far
as
the
trees
being
on
the
bottom,
half
on
the
part
we're
gonna
use,
there
is
language
within
the
easements
that
those
shouldn't,
be
there
anyhow
doesn't
mean
that
either
one
of
the
companies
did
their
job,
but
those
are
still
there
we'll
be
able
to
cover
them
but
they're
there.
AD
So
this
is
our
intention
long-term
plan
of
it
up
on
the
top
side
of
it,
we
plan
to
put
a
recycling
center
where
we'll
bring
our
stuff
in
and
work
the
metal
and
wood
and
so
forth
out.
We
already
do
that
on
the
property
nothing's
going
to
change
as
far
as
what
we
do
is
we're
going
to
put
it
in
a
building
and
make
that
a
cleaner
process
in
the
building.
AD
Look
something
like
this:
this
is
the
Boone
County
Recycling
Center
it'll,
be
on
a
stair-step.
The
hill
works
well
with
a
stair-step
there's
over
35
feet
on
our
side
and
there's
over
50
on
the
hill,
but
from
down
here
where
our
scale
is
where
the
building
is
to
the
top
of
the
streets
over
35
feet
of
rise,
so
we'll
eventually
put
a
building
there
and
the
idea
would
be
to
sort
that
there
to
give
you
an
elevation
drop.
As
he
says,
the
land
is
white,
severe
Rhys
anybody
that's
been
down.
AD
The
road
is
gonna
over
there
on
the
bank,
we're
talking
from
grade
level
railroad
tracks
to
the
top
of
the
hill.
At
some
points
is
over
65
feet.
We'd
have
no
intentions,
as
this
map
shows
of
removing
any
of
this
stop.
Where
my
finger
is,
we
will
leave
a
buffer
along
the
top
of
the
road
on
16th
Street
of
the
25
feet.
AD
This
is
all
zoned
in
one
already.
The
street,
of
course,
doesn't
have
zone,
so
the
residential
that
we
speak
of
this
more
along
here,
this
square
property
that
we
have
is
already
currently
in
the
m1
zoning
everything
that's
below
this
is
m2
and
we
do
have
our
additional
use.
So
the
other
thing
to
consider
on
our
neighbors
at
the
end.
As
we
know
coming
this
way,
the
cities
of
KD
France
were
stationed
for
the
railroad
on
what
used
to
be
the
14
acres
on
the
other
side
of
Martin
Luther
King.
AD
AD
Thank
you,
so
our
neighbors
on
the
other
side
will
be
the
transload
facility.
Of
course
we
have
the
elevator
as
a
mediate
neighbor
and
the
neighbors
on
the
top.
We'll
look
right
over
top
of
everything.
We
have
fair
bit
of
dumping
at
the
end
of
these
streets
that
we
feel.
If
we
get
this,
we
can
fence
that
off,
probably
still
can't
protect
everything,
because
we
live
in
on
dead
ends,
crazy
things
happen,
but
we
try
to
be
good
neighbors
we
donate.
There
is
a
lot
of
homeless.
AD
AD
AD
Where
we
need
to
die,
ignore
just
be
basically,
you
gotta
go
fifty
foot
off
a
centerline
center
of
the
Iowa
interstate
line
and
Vine
Street
at
the
very
end
is
25
feet
our
property
200
feet
down.
It's
where
it
exits.
All
we're
saying
is:
give
us
the
diagonal
of
it
so
that
we
can
properly
fence
it
and
use
it
and
it'll
help
us
close
right
to
the
end
of
the
fence.
C
Suggest
maybe
it's
just
altering
the
language
to
just
say
you
know
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
city
engineer
and
then
that
would
allow
us
to
staff
work
with
him
and
our
engineering
staff
I.
Don't
think
we
can
resolve
it
tonight
as
to
like
what
is
that
precise
alignment,
but
I
think
if
he
added
that
and
that
would
give
us
the
out
linear
city
engineer,
make
that.
AD
AD
If
we
have
to
go
through
three
meetings
to
finally
get
this
you're
gonna
okay,
to
do
it,
then
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
you
again
with
full
zoning
and
run
three
more
meetings
to
get
zoning,
and
so
I
would
like
to
hopefully
carry
your
confidence
that
what
I
want
to
do
doesn't
need
a
complete
site
plan
planning
to
allow
me
to
start
zoning
as
soon
as
this
is,
and
can
you
help
explain
that
better?
Mr.
I
Olive
I
guess
the
question
I
have
is
part
of
the
reason
why
we've
asked,
for
that
condition
is
staff
and
from
the
Commission's
perspective,
I
would
assume
before
we
go
to
a
lot
of
hearings
on
a
rezoning,
I
think
we'd
rather
know
whether
or
not
council
really
has
any
desire
for
a
salvage
yard
to
go
on
the
property
recall
this
Carroll,
auto
salvage
was
down
here.
We
bought
out
Cara,
auto
salvage
and
put
the
southeast
Necker
Martin
Luther
King
extended
through
this
area
and
I,
don't
know
for
certain
whether
a
salvage
yard
use
on
their.
I
Going
materials
which
would
classify
it
as
a
salvage
yard
under
our
zoning
code,
so
I
understand
your
operation,
but
my
point
would
be
our
recommendation.
Was
that
run
that
by
the
Council
on
the
conveyance
and
if
the
council's
wanted
to
sell
the
property
for
that
use?
That's
a
pretty
clear
indication
when
the
zoning
comes
back
to
this
commission
as
to
whether
or
not
it's
council's
desire
to
have
the
use
there,
and
so
that
that
was
our
point
on
the
condition
was
really
big
age
age
council's
interest
on
on
that.
So.
AD
Is
there
a
misunderstanding
here,
because
my
understanding
is
on
the
m1
zoning
that
would
be
asking
for
we
have
full
rights
to
store
empty
boxes,
roll
off
boxes
under
that
zoning
you
could
store
outside
equipment,
yes,
our
equipment
and
that's
what
we're
gonna
ask
for
we're,
not
asking
for
college
on
this
piece
that
the
it's
stored
on
okay.
We
already
have
that
condition
youth
up
on
our
piece,
but.
AD
I
The
real
question
and
we're
asking
for
direction
from
Council
on
whether
or
not
the
conveyance
and
then
we
can
come
back
and
revisit
the
rezoning
and
the
use
in
from
the
Commission
at
that
time.
But
the
purpose
of
Knight
is
whether
or
not
that
right-of-way
is
necessary
for
a
public
purpose.
The
only
thing
we've
identified
a
staff
that's
necessary
is
whatever
portion
of
that
200
feet
that
you
brought
up,
maybe
not
the
whole
thing,
and
if
we
can
amend
that
condition
to
address
the
portions
of
it
that
that
can
be
vacated
proceed.
T
A
AB
This
is
my
residence
right
in
here,
I've
been
there
for
more
than
40
years,
and
then
I
was
really
glad
and
happy
that,
like
he
said
that
the
60
MLK
and
took
away
all
that,
you
know
junk
sentence,
because
if
you
live
around
a
junkyard,
you
probably
can
tell
there's
a
lot
of
rats
and
all
kinds
of
stuff
coming
up,
and
sometimes
they
come
into
your
house,
and
you
don't
want
that.
So
my
concern
is
fair.
AB
First
of
all,
I'm
glad
that
he's
cleaning
the
back
here,
because
there
was
a
lot
of
debris
like
he
says,
and
he
cleaned
it
up.
We
took
a
lot
of
tires
a
lot
of
garbage
out
of
there
at
the
same
time
he's
knocking
down
a
lot
of
trees
down
there.
So
there's
a
couple
of
concerns
to
me
and
I
want
to
make
it
short.
I
know
it's
late.
One
is
my
concern.
AB
And
what
do
you
think
that's
gonna
attract
I
mean
that's,
that's
pretty
simple:
what's
gonna
happen
and
I,
don't
know
what
the
pan
is
as
far
as
what
he's
going
to
do
back
there
I
mean
I'm
glad
that
he
is
doing
something,
but
I
wasn't
notify
about
this
I
had
to
go
out
there
and
talk
to
him
about
it.
How
do
you
know
he
bought
all
this
land
I
didn't
know
what
his
intentions
are
doing
and
at
this
point
I
don't
know
what
he's
going
to
do
as
far
as
what
changes
he's
gonna
make
there.
AB
But
by
changing
this
don't
area,
that's
going
to
give
him
a
right
to
go
right
back
to
where
we
were
before.
All
the
neighbors
around
here
are
gonna
be
affected,
just
like
they
were
before.
That's
just
not
one
or
two
neighbors.
There's
a
lot
of
people
that
live
in
this
area.
We
was
glad
that
it
changed
because
it
changed
for
everybody
on
down
here
as
far
as
no
more
rats
and
no
more
Barbies
and
same
time
coming
back
again
and
you're,
the
only
one
that
can
change
that.
AB
AB
I
K
AB
A
AD
They
have
been
an
active
supporter
of
the
neighborhood
capital,
your
neighborhood.
We
go
to
most
of
the
meetings.
We
try
to
attend
them,
everything
that
we're
doing
now,
I
think
it's
really
going
to
change,
except
for
the
matter
of
storage
of
it.
As
far
as
grain
and
all
the
things
down
there
want
to
see
a
interesting
amount
of
food
for
animals
go
over
the
elevator,
we're
not
gonna
change
that.
We
feel
that
we're
gonna
make
the
place
better
and
part
of
it
is
already
zoned.
T
I
thought
I
did,
but
then
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
exactly
how
to
ward
it
I.
So
it
sounds
like
I
mean
I'd
like
to
move
staff
with
amendment
to
number
one
and
I
think
it'd
help
me
if
this
isn't
right,
but
I
was
thinking
something
along
lines
of
a
sufficient
portion
of
the
requested
East
Vine
Street
right-of-way
shall
be
excluded
from
the
vacation,
given
the
existing
railroad
activity.
T
A
A
C
C
C
Eriell
identifying
the
subject:
property,
close
proximity
to
East,
14th,
Street,
Broadway
Avenue
to
the
north;
it's
the
property
as
fringe
on
Broadway,
a
couple
response
cards
going
around
response
map
quick
photographs
of
the
property.
This
is
drive
looking
south
and
west,
looking
down
Broadway
towards
the
west
along
the
front
of
the
property.
C
C
As
the
chair
noted,
the
the
agenda,
the
request
is
to
lift
the
specific
condition
that
requires
the
screening
of
the
fencing
to
be
a
wood
material
harvest,
an
opaque,
the
site
plan.
This
is
a.
They
have
a
site
plan
that
was
recently
approved
to
allow
their
project
to
move
forward,
knowing
that
they
were
gonna
come
before
you,
but
this
shows
what
the
site
was
previously
and
had
outdoor
storage
area,
that
chain-link
fence
was
slats.
That
was
approved
and
error
by
a
previous
site
plan.
C
So
I
got
caught
when
they're
coming
back
through
the
process
to
do
a
new
site
plan
which
replaces
what
was
going
to
be
or
what
was
their
storage
with
an
addition,
and
then
is
the
storage
area
further
to
the
south.
You
can
see
the
trash
enclosure
so
their
intent.
The
reason
for
the
request
is
they'd
like
to
reuse
the
fencing
that
they
had
our
perspective
of
staff
is
that
we
need
to
follow
the
original
intent
of
the
of
the
zoning
conditions.
C
It's
unfortunate
that
it
was
missed
on
a
previous
site
plan,
but
that
does
not
negate
the
purpose
and
the
mission
of
what
that
condition
was
so
a
staff.
We
are
recommending
denial
of
the
request
to
lift
that
specific
condition.
Removing
zoning
conditions
are
is
a
rezoning
process.
It
goes
through
exact,
same
process
as
zoning,
the
property
does.
So
that's
why
we
have
a
hearing
here.
I'll
go
on
the
City
Council
for
tree
readings
as
well.
A
A
G
G
AE
This
isn't
a
request
for
a
new
fence
on
a
new
property.
This
is
a
request
just
to
reuse
fence
that
we've
already
been
using
for
11
years
prior
to
putting
the
addition
in
with
the
addition
of
the
the
construction
of
the
addition.
It's
actually
gonna
push
this
fence
back
about
75
feet
from
the
roadway
right.
Now.
It's
it's
about
right
at
250
feet
from
Broadway
itself.
This
is
gonna
push
it
back
to
325
feet
away
from
the
roadway
and
I
agree.
AE
AE
You
this
photo
is
probably
roughly
175
feet
and
again
this
is
still
in
our
parking
lot.
This
isn't
even
from
the
road
when
it's
all
done.
It's
gonna
be
almost
twice
this
visual
distance
away
from
the
road,
and
it
looks
good
I
mean
those
vinyl
slats.
We
chose
him
on
purpose
because
they
match
the
color
of
the
primary
structure
of
the
building.
AE
That's
just
for
a
small
business,
its
cost
prohibitive
I
mean
170
lineal
feet
of
12.
Football
masonry
is
just
way
too
expensive,
so
it
wasn't
even
an
option
for
us,
so
that
leaves
us
looking
at
wood,
yeah
12
foot
tall
pressure-treated.
You
know
green
wood
fence
of
that
size.
Honestly
it
just
it
look
ugly,
well
that
kind
of
defeats
the
whole
purpose
of
that
ordinance
and
keeping
the
you
know
the
properties
and
they're
looking
at
is
that
just
it's
not
a
good
look.
Look
at
all
overtime
that
fence
it's
just
gonna
deteriorate.
AE
AE
And
it
hasn't
really
affected.
You
know
the
property
values
of
the
cell
ability
of
the
adjacent
Lots.
We
were
actually
the
first
place
to
build
in
that
development
on
those
Lots
and
since
then,
there's
been
four
other
purchases
improvements
made
on
those
properties.
So
obviously
it's
really
not
affecting
you
know
what
anybody
thinks
of
the
property
and
so
just
a
conclusion.
We're
requesting
that
we're
able
to
reinstall
that
fence-
and
that's
already
been
there-
we're
gonna
move
it
away
from
the
street
another
75
feet
with
masonry
being
cost
prohibitive.