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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, Dec. 5, 2019 in Des Moines, Iowa.
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A
He
said
policy
of
procedures
for
the
these
are
the
rules
and
procedures
for
the
meeting
tonight.
The
planet
Zoning
Commission,
is
an
advisory
body
to
the
City
Council.
The
City
Council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
final
decisions
on
all
matters
before
the
Commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
flats
and
less
denials
or
conditional
approvals
there
for
our
appealed.
A
Please
contact
the
city
clerk
or
the
community
development
staff
for
details
on
council
hearings.
Applicants
are
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
which,
with
each
speaker,
allowed
a
maximum
of
5
minutes.
An
applicant
is
then
allowed
5
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
be
closed
and
the
Commission
will
then
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
A
Items
listed
on
the
consent.
Parts
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report.
Unless
there
is
an
individual
present
or
a
member
of
the
Commission
I
request
that
item
to
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
in
the
public
hearing
agenda,
the
City
of
Des
Moines
is
pleased
to
provide
accommodations
to
individuals
or
groups
with
disabilities
and
encourages
participation.
City
government,
assisted
listening
devices
are
available
for
meetings
in
this
room
to
better
serve.
A
You
please
notify
us
at
least
3
business
days
in
advance
at
2,
8,
3,
4,
2,
0
9
should
special
accommodations
be
required,
planted
zoning
commission
meetings
are
broadcast
on
media
cable,
channel
7.1
or
at
7.2
for
customers
for
that
service
transportation
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
can
be
scheduled
to
and
from
dark
central
stage
at
6:20
Terry
Street
to
reserve
your
route.
Please
call
dart
and
cons
on
call
scheduling
at
two
eight
three,
eight
one,
three
six
calls
four
trips
will
be
accepted
up
until
5:00
p.m.
of
the
day.
A
Prior
to
the
meeting,
please
be
sure
to
mention
your
request
that
you
require
transportation
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
at
this
location.
This
notice
is
intended
to
comply
with
accessibility
requirements
of
the
Americans.
With
Disabilities
Act,
all
right,
we've
established
that
there
is
a
quorum
and
now
has
everybody
had
a
sense.
The
minutes
were
simply
email
and
everyone
has
read
those.
Is
there
any
action
minutes
of
Earth.
B
A
A
All
right
are
there
any
abstentions
and
any
notes.
Okay,
thank
you.
Those
are
fruit.
The
consent
item
that
we
have
tonight
is
item
number
one,
which
is
a
request
from
Annette
Holdings,
incorporated
for
a
vacation
vacation
of
a
segment
of
a
right-of-way
of
south
and
adjoining
6101
black
of
Southwest
Leyland
Avenue,
to
allow
it
to
be
assembled
with
the
applicants
property
to
the
south
for
future
commercial
development.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
tonight
there,
which
is
us
to
pull
this
from
consent
and
hear
this
item,
seeing
that
is
there
anyone
on
the
Commission?
A
That
was
just
to
hear
this?
Okay,
that
I
don't
want
standing
consent,
I,
don't
number!
No!
That
can
be
continued.
Okay,
I
do
not
believe
there
are
any
other
items.
I
will
inquire
about
item
number
three,
which
is
a
request
from
have
a
reality
for
review
and
approval
of
preliminary
plaque
on
the
property
in
the
vicinity
of
4500
Hubbell
Avenue,
to
allow
subdivision
of
this
property
into
84
a
single-family
development
of
Lots.
A
C
D
I
think
gap
can
confirm
they
have
a
approved
PD
concept
plan.
The
plat
is
consistent
with
that
approved
beauty
concept
plan.
There
have
been
some
discussions
about
use
most
from
the
adjoining
property
that
that's
in
the
PUD.
They
don't
have
that
we're
not
required
to
have
it
really
final
plat,
so
there
still
is
and
before
the
final
plaque
can
be
approved
by
council,
but
we've
not
heard
anything
or
staff
hasn't
been
notified
in
writing
from
app
from
the
new
joining
property
or
there's
any
objection
to
the
easement.
E
Bone
can
1600
West
Towne
Parkway
West
Moines
Iowa.
We
are
an
agreement
on
all
five.
What
we're
asking
for
is
within
that
fifth
comment:
it
states
that
the
the
access
be
opened
at
all
times
through
the
public,
we're
asking
that
it
be
an
emergency
access
to
appease
our
neighbor
animal
housing,
they're
asking
that
a
gate
be
installed
similar.
D
B
A
F
A
Now
I
don't
number
two:
this
is
obsidian
NC,
a
request
to
vacate
the
segment
of
East
15th
from
East
mr.
Kings,
hard
way
to
East
Market
Street
in
the
vicinity
of
200
southeast
15th
to
assemble
with
adjoining
city-owned
property.
The
staff
recommendation
is
that
we
continue
this
item
to
our
December
19th
meeting.
Is
that
correct?
That's
right!
Thank
you
for
coming
Santa.
A
A
A
F
G
C
Sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page,
Ariel,
identifying
the
subject
property
as
PUD
amendment
few
months
back
so
should
be
familiar
with
this.
This
is
up
on
Hubbell
Avenue
corridor.
Existing
multifamily
development
proposed
single-family
development,
who
had
an
amendment
up
here
for
the
Union
training
facility
recently,
as
well.
C
So
one
Street
in
circulation,
a
single-family
development
and
really
what
was
being
alluded
to
just
a
second
ago
was
this
connection
point
to
the
neighboring
property
for
fire
code
purposes.
They
are
required
to
have
a
second
means
of
egress
into
this
development
or
out
of
it
it
has
to
be
far
enough
back.
There's
a
separation
calculation
I
won't
go
into
the
math
behind
that,
but
the
PUD,
that's
on
the
books
now
had
shown
that
being
down
here
before
this
was
proposed,
a
single-family
that
wouldn't
comply
with
the
fire
code
separation.
C
Five
foot
sidewalks
standard
language
easements,
if
needed,
some
Street
tree
requirements
very,
very
typical.
You
see-
and
this
is
this-
is
one
that
was
being
discussed
and
it
was
about
how
that
access
point
or
that
outlet
through
here
must
be
provided
and
maintained.
Staff
is
recommending
that
that
be
an
open
access.
The
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
this
development,
this
apartment
project,
as
it
would
develop
any
future.
This
is
their
most
recent
development
plan,
so
you
can
see.
C
Right
now
they
operate
with
just
a
driveway
to
Hubble,
and
this
is
where
that
stub
was
originally
envisioned
kind
of
a
frontage
road,
but
with
that
being
relocated
to
be
back
in
this
area,
but
for
them
to
go
to
future
phases
and
get
into
additional
numbers
of
units,
they
will
have
to
have
some
other
means
of
circulation,
and
this
would
work
for
them
to
that
purpose.
In
that
requirement,
I
we.
D
Just
a
little
bit
additional
so
on
that
drawing
we
believe
that
if
they
had
to
provide
that
secondary
access
that
he
would
be
limited
by
the
d-o-t
on
having
an
access
along
the
frontage
in
front
of
the
PUD.
So
that's
why
that
connection
to
the
next
development
was
actually
required
was
because
of
separation
distance
between
accesses
on
Hubbell
Avenue.
D
So,
basically,
if
we
didn't
have
any
opposition
at
the
PUD
concept
plan
level,
we
notified
the
property
owners
and
adjoining
property
owners,
and
there
was
no
objections
at
that
time.
If
there
is
now
or
when
the
final
plat
comes
in.
If
it
does
threaten
this,
this
final
plat,
if
they
don't
have
an
access
and
they
don't
have
an
easement,
they
have
to
amend
the
PUD
to
show
and
access
somewhere
else
and
and
I'll
be
back
in
front
of
you.
D
Our
hope
would
be.
The
two
parties
can
agree
on
an
easement,
but
the
idea
was
that
this
was
a
full
full
movement
across
connection
between
the
properties,
not
a
limited
fire
lane.
In
our
reviews,
that's
that's.
The
way
staff
has
been
has
approached
it
from
the
very
beginning
of
the
PD
constant
thanks.
E
Eric
became
humble,
really
we're
not
objecting
to
the
secondary
access
by
any
means.
That's
just.
We
would
like
it
to
be
restricted
to
emergency
vehicles
only
rather
than
a
full
access
for
the
time
being,
and
then
once
the
adjoining
property
does
develop
and
that
will
require
the
full
access
at
that
time
we
can
remove
that
gate.
Then.
A
A
E
It's
it's
work,
talks
about
that
the
access
must
be
kept
open
and
maintained
for
vehicle
vehicular
access
by
residents
and
the
surrounding
PUD,
something
along
the
lines
of
that
saying
that
the
the
access
can
be
for
emergency
access
only
for
the
time
being
so
it'll
allow
us
to
put
that
knock
box
on
there,
whatever.
It
is
basically
just
try
to
restrict
the
public
access
through
there
and
pushing
the
public
traffic
through
the
apartment
complex
for
the
time
being,.
D
Sorry,
Madame,
chair
and
Eric
come
back
to
the
podium.
I
guess
the
concern
that
staff
has
with
that
approach.
Is
that
houses
go
in
here
and
that's
a
fire
wing
temporarily
when
those
houses
are
bought
and
then
later
gets
opened
up
to
a
full
access.
We
will
have
people
residents
in
those
new
houses
coming
concerned
about
that
road
being
opened
up
to
it
as
an
access
point.
So
we've
had
it
happen
before
on
projects,
and
so
our
opinion
is.
D
It
should
be
open
day
one
so
that
everybody
knows
that
that's
an
access
road
across
there
and
that
there's
no
surprise
when
that
opens
up
and
we
don't
have
people
down
here
objecting
to
that
being
opened
up
at
a
later
time,
so
that
that
was
a
staff
opinion
and
then
Eric.
You
can
comment
on
that.
One.
E
Yeah,
at
the
end
of
day,
what
it
comes
down
to
is:
we
need
to
be
able
to
get
comfortable
with
acquiring
an
easement
from
animam
for
this
property
in
order
for
us
to
close
on
the
land
if
we
can't
get
anywhere
with
anawim
and
their
needs
for
a
gate
that
we're
gonna
be
able
to
move
forward
with
this
project.
That's
at
this
time,
so
we're.
A
A
J
C
C
C
B
A
Well,
I
guess:
I
had
a
question
too,
since
we're
kind
of
thinking
through
this.
So
what
would
be
the
difference
of
saying
on
that
number?
Five:
the
provision
for
the
details
of
the
plat
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
permit
and
development
administrator
is
that
is
that,
where
you're
speaking
to
those
number
of
units.
A
C
A
D
You
changed
it
to
that
and
then,
if
counsel,
when
the
final
plat
came
in,
wanted
to
have
the
flexibility
of
allowing
these
meant
to
be
it
to
be
a
emergency
access
only
time
I
guess
that
would
that
wording
would
allow
for
that
option.
Our
hope
is
that
they
can
get
the
agreement
prior
to
the
final
plan,
so.
A
Okay,
so
the
motion
is
to
approve
the
staff
recommendation
items
one
through
five:
it's
a
religion
on
item
five
that
the
sentence
would
read:
provisions
of
details
on
the
preliminary
flat
describing
the
purpose
of
the
outlet
and
maintenance
responsibilities
for
out
loud.
Why
to
the
satisfaction,
the
permit
and
Development
administrator
period?
That's
good!
A
Okay,
now
we're
ready
for
item
number
four.
This
is
a
request
from
Clampett
corner
for
appeal
of
the
administrative
denial
of
a
site
plan,
4337
Park
Avenue
site
plan
property
located
at
4337
Park
Avenue,
to
waive
the
requirement
to
remove
the
Western
driveway
access
as
part
of
the
redevelopment
of
the
property
for
restaurant
expansion.
C
George
Flagg
Parkway
Park
Avenue
irregular-shaped,
existing
restaurant
building,
that's
under
new
ownership
and
new
restaurant
photograph
of
the
front
part
of
the
property.
This
is
the
kind
of
the
subject
area.
Why
we're
here
today?
Because,
as
the
chair
noted,
this
is
an
administrative
site
plan,
so
this
would
have
been
one
that
wouldn't
have
required
any
Commission
action.
C
Parking
lot
parking
lot,
expansion,
there's
two
driveways:
they
are
there
today
24
foot
wide
and
then
30
33
foot
wide
driveway.
Our
requirements
are
standards
for
a
commercial
driveway
or
24
feet.
The
point
of
that
is
to
control
vehicles
as
they
come
and
go
so
you
don't
have
multiple
vehicles
trying
to
exit
a
site
or
inner
site
causing
conflict
also
as
to
limit
the
amount
of
space
that
pedestrian
on
the
public
walk
has
to
cross.
That's
the
premise:
behind
the
requirement
of
24
feet:
we'd
asked
the
applicant
to
adjust
the
site.
C
C
M
M
M
My
average
restaurants
serve
around
3,000
to
3,500
people
per
week.
Many
of
my
guests
are
in
the
construction
business.
If
you
come
to
our
restaurants
over
the
noon
hour,
you'll
see
a
lot
of
construction
worker
there's
there
as
there
are
a
lot
of
other
people,
but
they
drive
really
big
trucks,
not
not
little
mini
coopers,
not
many,
many
Coopers.
So
when
you,
you
know,
the
staff
has
recommended
that
we,
what
I'm,
asking
to
the
it
is
to
just
maintain
my
existing
driveways
they've,
been
there
for
over
50
years
and
my
neighbors.
N
M
M
M
We've
been
under
construction
there
for
a
couple
of
months
and
to
see
the
different
trucks
coming
in
and
out
of
there.
When
my
trash
tracks
come
when
my
delivery
semis
come.
Have
you
ever
seen
a
big
Cisco
truck?
It's
a
big
semi
try
to
get
into
a
24
foot
drive
when
there's
a
another
truck
sitting
there,
just
I'm
making
this
a
first-class
project
with
everything
that
we're
doing,
and
it
just
doesn't
make
any
sense
for
me
to
tear
that
driveway
out
now.
Staffs
big
concern.
M
To
limit
the
number
of
vehicles
that
can
simultaneously
turn
on
to
Park
Avenue.
Well,
that's
presupposing
that
two
cars
are
going
to
be
trying
to
exit
that
one
exit
that
one
driveway,
that's
not
going
to
happen,
but
an
easy
solution
and
I'll
offer
this.
Why
don't
we
just
draw
an
arrow
down
in
the
middle
of
it
and
draw
an
arrow
in
and
a
draw
and
draw
an
arrow
out,
and
that
would
seem
to
solve
all
the
problem
or
the
issue
so
happy
to
take
any
questions.
B
M
Yes,
so
my
trash
truck
is
going
to
have
to
pull
in
there
I,
that's
my
boy
and
and
all
my
deliveries
go
back
there
too,
so
my
semis
are
gonna
have
to
pull
in
that
driveway
too,
and
if
you
got
a
semi
with
a
trailer
trying
to
make
that
corner
now
that
there
also
as
a
part
of
this
site,
we're
doing
everything
else
to
code.
Okay,
so
we're
gonna
have
all
these
little
landscape
Islands
and
you.
B
M
M
N
N
M
Relating
to
the
pedestrians,
like
I,
said,
it's
been
there
for
50
years,
the
neighbors
they're
all
the
same
width
as
mine,
we're
gonna,
be
a
lot
busier
than
Bolton
and
hey
and
we're
gonna
be
a
much
busier
than
KC's.
So
it's
gonna
be
a
great
thing
for
this
outside,
so
I
hope
you
consider
my
request.
Thank
you.
Thank.
O
Inhabited
primarily
by
people,
my
age
or
older,
to
be
honest,
I
don't
have
a
dog
in
this
fight.
I've
walked
that
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
size
of
that
drive,
but
as
the
developer
moves
forward
and
planning
bodies
move
forward,
I
hope
the
neighbors
are
kept
in
mind
in
terms
of
lighting
that
points
down
and
mr.
girl,
woman,
didn't
notice,
but
her
mentioned,
but
I
heard
something
about
rooftop
bar
at
some
point
and
I'm
concerned
about
noise,
ordinances
and
time
in
terms
of
how
long
music
can
go
on
how
loud
it
could
be.
O
O
A
M
Don't
have
live
music
in
any
of
my
restaurants
right
now,
but
I
don't
want
to
preclude
that
if
we
do
have
live
music,
of
course,
we'll
be
very
aware
of
the
concerns
of
our
neighbors
and
we
would
never
want
to
infringe
on
anyone's
rights.
So
we
would
follow
all
of
the
ordinances.
If
we
ever
do
have
live
music,
there
will
be
an
outdoor
patio,
but
it's
going
to
be
on
ground
level.
A
B
Give
it
a
try,
I
move,
we
grant
the
appeal
I
think
there
are
two
compelling
reasons:
one
the
KC
store
next
door
with
extra
wide
driveway
that
hasn't
inhibited
Mary's
walking
so
far
as
I
can
tell.
We
don't
have
a
report
of
traffic
and
transportation
that
the
KC's
35
foot
wide
driveway
is
creating
all
kinds
of
traffic
problems
and
it's
been
there
for
a
while.
So
that's
the
first
reason.
The
second
reason
is
truck
I.
Don't
know
how
you
get
around
that
I
guess.
B
The
third
reason
is
we're
essentially
grandfathering
in
this
driveway
piece
and
which
has
been
there
for
a
long
time.
So
I
would
move
that
we
grant
the
appeal
with
the
balance
of
the
site
plan
to
be
in
compliance
with
all
administrative
review
requirements
of
the
city's
permit
and
Development
Center.
All.
I
I
Mr.
Gillman
said
something
about
a
thirty
four
foot
wide
drive
the
site
plan
that
we
have
dimensions
at
33
feet:
I,
guess
what
I
would
like
to
see
is,
since
their
site
plan
shows
that
at
30
feet
33
feet
that
we
limit
it
to
33
feet
so
I,
throw
that
out
as
a
friendly
amendment
if
you're.
Okay
with
that.
B
N
F
B
A
A
Any
objections
I'm
certain
about
anything.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
what
abstention
all
right!
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
and
I
can
tell
you.
Two
people
on
the
south
side
are
looking
forward
to
the
barbecue.
Maybe
more
I
don't
never
fight.
This
is
a
request
from
Lucy
construction
for
another
administrative
appeal:
denial
of
the
plat
of
surveys,
ups,
a
minute
for
property
in
that
5600
block
of
South
East
27th
Street,
currently
described
in
an
outlet.
Why,
in
Prairie,
Hills
des
moines
flat.
C
F
C
Is
subject
property?
You
can
see
some
of
the
development
skirt
around
it.
There
is
reference
to
swimmin
arey
plat,
it's
already
on
the
books
for
for
this
property
and
also
other
properties
to
the
South
that
were
developed.
So
this
is
the
subject
property
as
it
was
envisioned
to
be
divided
at
the
preliminary
plat
phase.
There
was
a
final
plat
which
actually
is
what
reports
the
lot
boundaries.
So
you
can
see
the
roadway
connection
and
cold
a
sac
that
eventually
actually
would
be
set
up
that
it
could
continue
on.
C
This
was
the
final
plat.
This
plat
was
driven
by
the
project
to
the
south,
so
it
designated
this
as
an
outlet
outlet
why
it
showed.
You
know
where
the
street
would
go
through
and
we're.
You
know
easements
for
utilities
and
whatnot,
and
then
the
other
thing
that
was
included
and
what
was
including
the
fact
that
these
are
what
we
have
in
the
file.
Is
there
a
cloud
of
survey
that
was
proposed?
C
C
C
C
C
We
found
that
it
did
not
conform
with
the
intent
of
the
provisions
of
the
appropriate
block,
design
and
lot
design
with
all
necessary
public
improvements
in
place.
So
you
need
to
have
a
street
network.
You
need
to
have
double
row
of
Lots.
You
provide
public
utilities.
These
are
the
broader
concepts
you
know
certainly
delve
deeper
if
we
need
to,
but
in
reviewing
that
we
felt
that
this
was
something
we
could
not
approve
as
apply
to
survey.
C
P
Clarify
one
point
made
by
Jason:
we
legal
department
has
reviewed
this
and
has
worked
with
staff
on
what
the
next
step
should
have
been,
and
we
have
advised
the
applicant
that
we
recommended
that
they
file
an
amendment
to
the
preliminary
plat
showing
the
multiple
houses
and
that
that
would
be
the
correct
mechanism
rather
than
filing
a
plat
of
survey,
which
is
what
they
chose
to
do.
So.
That,
again,
is
part
of
the
reason
for
the
denial
okay.
Q
My
name
is
Mitch
Kalu's
I
live
at
2421,
High
Street
here
in
Des,
Moines
Iowa.
Thank
you
guys
for
being
here
tonight.
I
hope
to
give
you
guys
a
quick
overview
as
to
what
we're
planning
to
do
with
the
property
and
why
this
is
imperative
ly
important.
It's
not
only
myself,
but
also
my
family.
So
by
way
of
introduction,
I
represent
clues
II
construction
as
well
as
clues
in
real
estate.
We
moved
to
the
city
in
2014.
Q
Since
then
we
specialized
in
mainly
nuisance
abatement
type
properties,
a
lot
of
single-family
rehabs
and
then
a
handful
of
single-family
new
construction
infill
throughout
the
city.
So
we
haven't
done
a
large
subdivision
or
anything
to
that
effect
within
the
state.
I
say
that,
because
this
property,
specifically,
we
had
purchased
with
the
intention
of
building
a
single
family
homestead
on
for
my
parents,
been
having
generational
attachment
for
my
grandparents
who
are
in
failing
health.
This
is
this
was
purchased
with
the
intention
of
living
here,
long-term
and
making
it
a
staple
in
the
area.
Q
So
a
few
things
my
grandparents
are
failing
in
health,
like
I
said
they
are
looking
to
move
here
rapidly
for
assistance,
and
we
just
haven't
found
anything
that
quite
fits
everyone's
pieces.
So
this
was
the
first
thought
that
was
large
enough
to
support
that
also,
as
we
go
through
this
we're
directly
north
of
an
assisted
living
facility,
which
provides
a
great
opportunity
for
the
family.
Q
Q
Q
Q
This
here,
these
have
all
been
amended
on
the
left
side
here
at
this
point,
so
these
units
to
the
south
have
been
combined
and
developed
as
a
single-family
home,
and
then
these
units,
here
to
my
knowledge,
are
just
one
lot.
So
the
the
northern
lot
here
City
would
like
they
mentioned
a
street
reference
plan.
City
staff
would
like
to
see
an
east-west
road
punch
through
here.
Q
However,
the
adjacent
parcels
I,
don't
see,
supporting
it-
hopefully
Steve's
here
to
speak,
perfect,
so
Steve's
here
as
well,
so
he
can
speak
for
himself
as
far
as
their
intentions,
but
from
talking
the
neighbors
and
other
folks
in
the
area.
This
has
been
a
dead-end
road
now
for
over
ten
years,
they're
used
to
that
they're
comfortable
with
that.
There's
no
reason
to
for
them
to
see
that
changing
anytime,
soon
same
with
the
nursing
home
or
the
assisted
living
facility.
Q
The
South
they're
used
to
the
very
low
traffic
load,
so
our
hope
was
to
develop
from
the
south
side
a
road
access
in
just
just
one
quick
note
before
we
purchase
this
I
did
meet
with
staff
at
the
desktop.
Everyone
reviewed
this
with
us.
It
has
an
existing
zoning
of
our
180,
so
our
understanding
at
that
time
from
staff
was
hey.
It's
already
zoned
our
180
I.
Don't
see
a
reason
why
we
can't
put
a
single
house
on
this
without
any
change.
Q
So
this
is
the
actual
site
plan
that
was
submitted
to
the
city.
Following
that
conversation,
we
purchased
plans.
We
had
the
site
plans
drafted
up.
We
observed
all
easements
that
are
recorded
on
the
property
for
the
final
plotting
so
you'll
see.
This
was
a
this
here
on
the
final
plotting
is
dedicated
as
storm
and
sewer
access.
It's
not
dedicated
as
a
roadway.
Nor
was
there
any
indication
on
the
final
plotting.
That's
publicly
recorded
that
it
would
be
a
roadway.
Q
Q
Just
one
more
comment:
so
this
property
surrounded
by
a
tree,
conservative
conservation
so
westbound
and
eastbound
when
they
approved
the
final
plotting,
there's
a
20
foot
setback
that
says
those
will
permanently
be
trees
on
both
east
and
west
sites,
so
that
I
don't
understand.
Now
why
the
city
is
saying
they
want
an
east-west
road
when
the
preliminary
showed
a
cul-de-sac
ending
on
that
eastbound
and
absolutely
no
westbound
mentioned
there.
Q
Q
Again,
this
is
the
the
residential
plan,
piece
of
it
at
the
time
that
our
single
family
permits.
It
reasoning.
Why-
and
we
had
requested
that
to
appeal
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission,
to
argue
our
case
that
they
told
us
that
that
wasn't
acceptable.
We
didn't
have
the
right
under
the
permit
application
to
appeal
to
the
council.
Q
A
A
R
R
G
Hi,
my
name
is
Steve
McIntosh
I'm
here
with
my
wife
Kristi.
My
current
address
is
54
in
South
East,
29th
Street,
which
is
not
adjacent
to
the
property,
but
my
wife
and
I
have
purchased
in
adjacent
law
in
2015
and
we're
just
getting
started
to
go
through
the
filing
for
the
permit.
We
are
wanting
to
put
a
single-family
house
on
it.
I
wanted
to
come
here
and
just
kind
of
render
our
support
from
mr.
Koz
I.
Don't
know
mr.
G
Koz
I
reached
out
to
him,
maybe
a
week
or
two
ago,
when
I
got
the
notice
about
the
administrative
decline,
because
we
have
an
adjacent
property
not
going
through
this
process
before
I
had
no
idea
what
that
meant.
So
I
reached
out
to
him
and
kind
of
found
out.
He
wanted
to
build
a
just
a
single-family
house
on
that
lot.
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
I'm,
supportive
of
that,
because
I
get
it.
You
know
it
was
some
of
those
Lots
out
there.
Beautiful
they've
been
that
way
for
a
while.
G
G
So
yeah,
so
we,
the
four
acres
here,
are
lots
a
little
bit
different
I
mean
it's
we're
900
foot
wide
and
then
only
210,
we're
sorry,
900
foot
deep
and
210
wide
I.
Don't
really
want
to
go
into
a
lot
of
detail
about
our
situation,
because
this
isn't
really
relevant
to
me
but
we're
hoping
to
put
a
Pat
house
here.
We've
had
prior
conversations
with
the
city
and
they've
kind
of
asked
us
to
don't
put
it
where
heart
could
eventually
go
through.
G
A
Thank
you.
Anyone
else
wish
to
speak
on
behalf
the
applicant,
seeing
that
is
there.
Anyone
who
wishes
to
express
concerns
all
right
sing
that
usually
this
is
a
point
where
you
can't
come
back
and
rebut,
but
it
does,
it
seems,
like
you,
have
supportive
neighbors,
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing
commit
similar
to
plays
on
that
swing.
Jason.
C
N
Know
I
had
a
conversation,
that's
my
neighborhoods
out
there
with
the
neighborhood
president
reached
out
to
me,
and
he
has
some
concerns.
One.
It's
commonly
understood
and
supported
that
South
East,
27th
Street
would
become
connected
when
the
development
started
in
this
area
and
also
that
utilities
would
be
brought
into
the
area.
So
I
just
have
a
question
for
Jason.
So
if
they
were
to
put
the
road
in
and
bring
the
utilities
in,
does
that
satisfy
staff.
C
The
short
answer
is
no
cut,
there's
kind
of
more
to
this
process
and
we
first
off
we're
saying,
as
Glenna
alluded
to
really
the
right
process.
The
remedy
for
them
was
to
do
a
preliminary
plat
come
back
before
you
through
that
process,
and
then
beyond
that
there
are.
There
is
sewer
through
here
and
they're
not
proposing
to
do
the
road
and
there's
water
and
other
utilities
have
been
extended.
I
Have
a
question:
I
have
a
comment:
I
think
I'm,
not
sure
about
the
east-west
road.
I
understand
how
the
planning
works,
but
it
looked
like
to
me
stuff
to
the
east
could
be
served
from
the
south
because
the
site's
big
enough,
but
the
north-south
road
looks
like
it
has
to
go
in
and
so
I
don't
know
how
we
I
understand
what
they
want
to
do,
but
it
seems
like
they've,
got
to
go
back
through
the
process
and
at
least
show
that
they're
gonna
put
the
north-south
road
through
and
whatever
utilities
and,
however
that
works.
I
So
it's
a
public
street
whether
or
not
it
becomes
a
single-family
house
on
the
east
side
of
the
property
is
I.
Guess
if
they
reap
lat,
maybe
they
can
show
that
that
can
work.
But
to
me
that's
where
we
were
where
it
has
to
go
so
looks
like
we
have
to
deny
what
they
have
so
far,
so
they
can
do
something.
So
we
can
come
back
and
get
it
approved.
A
J
Just
want
to
make
sure
that
they
understand
what
why
we're
voting
this
way,
yeah,
so
yeah
go
ahead.
Well,
I
mean
I.
Just
want
you
to
realize
that
we're
just
talking
it's
more
procedure
and
and
more
detail
information
I
mean
I
know
you
said
that
you
thought
it
would
cost
more
money
and
but
I
think
that's
what
needs
to
be
done
in
order
to
make
sure
that
this
gets
approved.
J
H
F
P
A
C
C
Of
a
cleaner
aerial
identifying
the
existing
church
building
I
make
out
the
two
wings
that
are
proposed
to
be
retained
and
incorporated
into
the
new
project.
Sanctuary
our
courts
and
the
church
would
come
down
generally
be
the
location
of
the
proposed
excuse,
tower
I'll,
show
a
couple
photographs
and
then
I'll
go
ahead
and
get
their
drawings
out.
C
In
front
of
the
subject:
property
looking
towards
the
west
from
long
Grand
Avenue,
this
is
38th
place,
looking
north,
so
the
subject
property
to
the
right
southern
boundary
of
the
property.
So
next
picture
I'll
show
you
I
come
back
into
the
parking
lot
looking
back,
so
this
is
kind
of
the
south
east
part
of
the
property.
Looking
north
and
west
back
towards
the
church
buildings
and
then
Greenwood
school
to
the
south
of
the
property.
C
C
C
So
this
is
a
PUD
rezoning.
Pud
conceptual
plan
is
it's
a
you
know.
Conceptual
site
plan
we're
not
at
the
full
engineer,
drawing
level
of
a
site
plan
or
a
PUD
development
plan,
but
at
this
stage
things
are
supposed
to
be
fairly
thought-out,
generally
identified
for
stuff
that
it
would
be
located.
You
know,
such
as
you
know,
landscaping
or
stormwater
management,
but
exact
species
and
counts
and
stormwater
calculations.
C
Those
things
come
with
the
PUD
development
plan,
I
treat
em
later,
so
the
two
wings
of
the
historic
church
tower
two
story
base
with
the
structured
parking
and
some
common
space
outdoor
pool
area
and
then
the
small
patio
area.
What
you're
seeing
here
is
actually
elevated.
It's
on
top
of
the
base
of
the
building,
so
the
base
comes
out.
This
would
be
patio
space
for
units
that
are
in
the
the
six
storey
part
or
tower
that
comes
up
guests
parking
up
front.
The
main
interest
is
building
here.
C
Just
a
couple
of
things
to
hit
on
the
when
the
agenda
was
first
put
out
the
applicant,
so
let
me
take
it
further
step
back.
There
is
a
proposal
to
have
some
mixed-use
component
or
the
ability
to
do
it.
The
developer
has
no
intention
of
the
opening
project,
but
wants
to
give
the
ownership
group
the
condo
owners
in
the
future,
the
ability
to
lease
up
to
two
thousand
square
feet
of
space
for
a
tenant
commercial
type
use
that
list
originally
included
a
restaurant
that
has
been
withdrawn.
That
is
no
longer
part
of
their
proposal.
C
C
They're
providing
more
parking
than
our
minimums
would
be
for
for
any
of
those
commercial
uses
in
addition
to
the
multifamily,
so
we
did
calculated
all
that.
The
other
thing
that
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
in
the
staff
report
had
to
do
with
setbacks
and
the
height
of
the
building
and
did
a
analysis
for
you
where
we
identified
eleven
other
towers
on
the
corridor.
You
know
part
of
looking
at
PVD
is
to
you
know,
look
at
the
character.
C
The
area
does
this
fit
into
the
character,
and
so
we
found
11
tower
type
buildings
from
five
to
ranging
and
heights
from
five
to
eleven
stories
on
the
corridor
from
28th
to
42nd
Street,
we
identified
eight
of
those
that
abut
single-family
uses
and
then
provided
you
with
a
setback
calculation
as
to
how
close
those
buildings
are
to
that
common
property
line,
and
so
that
was
in
your
staff
report,
I'm
happy
to
read
this
in
greater
detail.
If
you
like,
you
can
also
reference
it.
C
C
Other
things
to
talk
about
so
I
the
city's
historic
preservation
ordinance.
This
has
been
through
that
process.
We've
done
the
demo
review
that
went
to
council
and
was
approved,
and
then
we
had
a
few
things
in
our
staff
recommendation
that
we
believe
are
kind
of
clarifications
or
other
things
that
we
think
are
important
to
address.
E
C
Item
one
clarification
to
remove
from
the
actual
finalized
conceptual
plan.
The
language
is,
the
restaurant
uses
is
no
longer
intended
provide.
A
note
that
says
two
thousand
square
feet
is
the
maximum
floor
area
that
can
be
used
for
commercial
use.
So
we
can
just
you
know,
document
their
intent,
then
just
three
is
to
just
make
sure
that
their
bulk
regulations
match
the
drawings.
We
thought
there
might
be
some
discrepancies.
We
want
to
make
sure
that,
what's
being
shown
on
the
site
plan
and
the
building
elevations
is
the
is
the
real
regulatory
part
of
the
document.
C
Provision
of
note,
dent
affine,
the
finalized
height
and
design
of
any
fencing
shall
come
at
a
development
plan
in
place
of
some
minimum
maximum
that
are
on
the
concept
plan.
Like
say
we
want.
We
want
to
have
that
greater
detail
before
we
make
decisions
on
that
provision
of
the
minimal
amount
possible
of
pavement
in
that
front
driveway
area.
The
conceptual
plan
shows
a
lot
of
pavement.
We
think
that
can
be
reduced.
C
Some
landscaping
buffering
notes,
they're,
very
typical
of
what
we
asked
for
just
a
note
on
the
on
the
plan
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
on
what
we
believe
is
necessary,
8
I,
want
to
highlight,
has
8
and
9
or
I
think
are
important
because
they
have
to
do
with
lighting
and
light
trespass.
These
are
standards
that
we
apply
on
site
plans
and
development,
the
lock
with
regard
to
Heights
of
poles
and
that
they
be
downward
directional
light
fixtures.
C
We
also
have
a
requirement
that
they
do
a
photometric
plan
and
that
they
meet
these
thresholds
for
lighting
trans
trans
passing
past
the
property
line.
This
would
like
to
familiar
to
it
because
the
same
language
we
use
for
like
gas
stations
and
other
things
like
that
number
10,
is
that
all
utilities
and
similar
service
lines,
the
buildings
shall
be
located
underground
and
that
all
overhead
utilities
and
similar
service
lines
within
any
of
the
right
way
that
joins
your
property,
be
under
grounded.
B
A
B
B
B
C
S
Hello,
my
name
is
Kate
Miller
and
I.
Work
for
a
hairy,
bookie
and
Harry
and
Pam
are
looking
to
develop
this
site
with
me,
as
Brad
Hartmann
from
the
heartland
trap,
architecture
firm
and
we're
real
excited
for
the
project
since
it
has
been
taken
to
the
market.
We've
seen
a
lot
of
demand
for
condominiums
that
match
this
description.
So
we've
we've
been
busy
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
do
have
specific
to
the
staff
recommendations.
S
C
L
J
T
You,
my
name,
is
Jason
Palmer,
my
wife
and
I
live
at
4-1
738
place
where
the
property
directly
south
of
that
project
and
well
yeah.
Many
many
concerns
obviously
want
to
know.
Has
anyone
been
there?
Anyone
been
to
this
address
because
I
urge
you
to
go
and
you
can
sit
on
my
deck.
You
can
sit
on
my
deck
and
look
north
and
see
how
close
my
house
is
to
this
property,
and
that's
my
big
concern
here.
It
is
it
is.
It
is
very,
very
close.
There
was
a
graph
that
was
put
up
about
other
setbacks.
T
About
whether
they
were
gonna
find
that
out
and
in
an
email,
he
told
me,
staff
has
not
and
will
not
calculate
the
average
setback,
distance
between
apartment
complexes
and
condominium
buildings
to
the
nearest
residential
homes
within
the
city
limits.
Well,
that
was
done.
Apparently,
I
would
like
that
graphs.
I
could
take
a
look
at
it
because
I
don't
want
to
compare
it
necessarily
because
you.
T
J
T
Am
I
mean
our
our
lot
lines
abut
right
and
so
from
the
at
least
from
what
I
have
been
provided,
the
top
the
110
foot
tall
fortune
of
the
building
would
need
to
be
set
back
a
minimum
of
a
hundred
feet
from
my
north
lot
line
if
it
was
a
normal,
our
three
zone
II,
but
under
the
PUD
they're
asking
for
65
feet,
it's
34
feet.
Difference
34
feet
closer
to
my
house
right
for.
T
Portion
over
the
one
hundred
and
twenty
three
foot
tall
portion
of
the
tower
it
would
need
to
be
typically
a
hundred
and
thirteen
feet
away
from
my
axe.
They're
asking
for
89
feet,
that's
24
feet
closer
to
my
house,
I!
Think
about
that.
Let's
also
think
about
the
patios
on
the
south
side
right
I'm
I'm
a
little
confused
about
where
they
line
up
east-west.
But
imagine
a
patio,
that's
looking
right.
T
T
That's
not
credible,
but
I
am
here
to
tell
you
and
urge
you
to
really
really
consider
is
what
you
can
do
with
that
house.
That's
right
there.
It's
gonna
devalue
my
property.
It's
gonna
make
privacy
non-existent.
I've
asked
the
developer
to
buy
me
out.
You
won't
I've
asked
the
city
if
they
could
do
that.
There
could
be
some
sort
of
combination
of
the
two,
because
it
is
a
untenable
situation
to
have
that
type
of
construction,
be
that
close
to
a
residential
home.
It.
F
T
Doesn't
make
any
sense,
especially
when
they're
asking
for
a
setback
to
be
extended
from
normal
our
three
zone
and
look
those
those
normal
setbacks
exist
for
a
reason,
right
I
mean
those
numbers
that
you
all
have
passed
through.
The
City
Council
Oh
paths
are
there
to
help
with
residential
homeowners,
with
noise,
lighting
invasion
of
privacy
issues,
and
it's
and
am
I
coming
close
to
my
house.
It's
a
situation.
That's
that's
really
not
appropriate.
T
Again
I
want
to
be
you
know,
there's
someone
here:
that's
120
60
154
feet
247
feet.
You
know
a
summon
house
I
just
willed
it.
It's
a
four
or
five
storey.
Building
I,
don't
know
where
that
house
sits.
I
think
that's
always
important
to
know.
Where
does
that
residential
house
sit
compared
to
the
apartment
complex
that
they
put
on
this
graph,
because
mine
again
is
going
to
be
right
there
and
lying
to
these
floor-to-ceiling
windows?
T
Patios
running
east-west,
it
is,
is
in
a
really
really
poor
position
and
so
for
my
specific
request,
knowing
that
the
developer
won't
line
me
out
and
that
they
could
use
that
land
for
more
buffer
I
want
landscaping
to
the
best
possible
position
and
they
have
to
be
trees
that
have
foliage
year-round
and
that
are
tall
enough
tall
enough
to
block
those
views
from
the
patios
and
those
floor-to-ceiling
windows.
I
went
setback
from
the
RF
3
position.
T
T
Well,
they've
also
chosen
floor-to-ceiling
windows,
they've
also
chosen
10-foot
ceilings,
which
is
more
expensive.
They've
also
chosen
to
put
a
English
library
in
here.
That's
added
cost
right
that
they
don't
have
to
do
so.
Besides
the
landscaping,
the
r3
I
also
don't
want
patios
that
look
straight
down
on
my
property.
T
T
D
Mr.
polar
I
just
want
to
clarify
I
found
my
email
that
I
sent
you
you'd
asked
for
a
citywide
average
of
all
multifamily
to
any
single
family
house
and
I
clarified.
I
would
not
provide
you
an
average
citywide,
and
then
you
had
asked
also
I
think
another
well
get
multiple
questions.
So
you'd
also
asked
what
the
closest
distance
was
in
the
city
from
a
multi-family
building
to
any
residential
property
and
I
I
said
we
would
not
be
able
to
calculate
that
either.
D
But
in
our
staff
report
we
did
look
at
properties
that
were
within
up
and
down
Grand
Avenue
generally
in
proximity
and
I
think
we
even
pulled
a
couple
other
ones,
but
mostly
were
just
on
Grand
Avenue,
I
think
in
the
immediate
area.
So
that
was
the
information
that
was
in
the
staff
report.
But
again
it
was
not
a
citywide
average
or
the
closest
of
any
setback
in
the
city,
as
you
requested.
So
that
was
my
response.
R
A
L
L
So
this
is
a
very
typical
condition
and
then
we
looked
at
there's
really
no
look,
there's
no
line
between
the
the
alleyway
and
the
the
house
to
the
south,
so
we
pulled
eight
feet
away
from
the
map,
so
we
could
have
one
of
the
homes
gate
back
with
with
evergreens,
so
we
feel
like
we've
really
not
only
as
the
property
I
mean
we're,
making
a
better
condition
for
it,
and
the
design
team
really
feels
wrong.
That's
the
case,
so
it's
not
going
to
be
value.
L
F
L
F
F
L
Yeah
right
now,
the
the
alleyway
is
right
at
the
edge
of
the
property
line
and
so
to
work
with
the
city
and
with
the
fire
marshal
and
we're
pulling
it
to
the
north.
As
far
as
we
can
so
we
get
a
nice
Boulevard
of
trees
all
along
there
and
then
along
the
backside.
Actually
we're
able
to
take
away
almost
50%
of
the
surface
parking
and
all
of
that
gets
developed
with
landscape
trees.
L
B
I'm
just
making
a
simple
observation
trying
to
follow
along
with
satellite
photos
of
what
exists.
Are
you
saying
that
I
think
you
are
the
but
of
the
church
as
I
called
it?
When
I
had
a
satellite
picture
up,
there
is
closer
to
its
taught
Mr
Palmer's
house
or
property
line
than
any
structure
that
you
will
build
in
this
right
right.
L
B
If
I'm
looking
at
this
plan
here,
then
the
one
that
we
have
sheet
to
plan
map
but
yeah,
it
might
be
right-
there
did
you
just
see,
might
have
just
said
this
and
I
was
looking
at
the
satellite,
but
the
alley
is
kind
of
gonna
get
filled
as
it
exists.
Now
is
kind
of
get
filled
with
trees
and
that
yeah.
B
L
I
M
I
B
T
Well,
I
definitely
appreciate
the
landscaping
aspect
over
two
points:
I
think
that
was
even
there
before
our
discussions
with
them
and
to
those
trees
aren't
going
to
go
much
higher
than
what
two
storeys,
and
this
is
a
eight
story
building
and,
of
course,
all
of
the
other
requests.
We've
had
have
been
denied
number
two
as
related
to
the
church,
and
that
setback
really
important
points
we're
talking
apples
and
oranges.
T
Here
the
church
doesn't
have
windows
and
doesn't
have
people
staring
down
on
your
yard
and
again
it's
it's
not
even
it's
not
even
worth
the
comparison
to
say,
while
this
building
is
set
back
farther
away
from
my
hands
two
points:
yes,
it's
farther
away,
but
it's
still
now
closer
than
a
normal
are
three
zoning,
and
instead
of
a
church
with
no
windows
on
Sundays,
it's
for
to
ceiling,
windows,
patios
and
people
completely
different
situation
here,
and
for
that
reason
we
objected
the
project,
we
objected
the
rough
day,
the
project.
Thank
you.
S
I
have
particular
again
we
have.
We
started
this
project
and
we've
taken
all
the
input
from
the
various
city
departments.
We've
met
with
the
neighbors
we've
met
all
today,
because
that
are
adjacent.
I
feel,
like
we've
made
a
lot
of
changes
to
our
plans,
as
we've
learned,
different
input
from
different
pieces
and
including
the
input
from
the
Palmer
family
I've
set
with
Jason
and
Cortney
and
and
said,
ask
me
anything
and
have
been
very
open
about
what
our
plans
are
for
this
project.
P
S
S
S
P
N
I,
don't
have
a
recommendation,
but
the
people
in
the
condo
comp
complex,
don't
exist
yet
I
think
Jason
makes
a
very
compelling
concern
about
being
a
taxpayer
and
a
homeowner
in
this
area
and
I
feel
like
the
project
at
this
point
is
saying:
hey
we've
thrown
up
some
pine
trees
and
that
should
suffice
and-
and
with
that
being
said,
I
think
that
you
know
the
setbacks.
Jase
makes
a
good
point
with
our
three
and
that
there
needs
to
be
more
work
done
to
to
make
Jason
satisfied.
N
A
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U
B
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F
B
B
B
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A
A
A
V
D
I
just
want
to
firm.
There
was
no
way
these
plan
amendment
required
a
part
of
the
rezoning.
So
the
sympathy
was
a
simple
majority
builder,
the
Commission,
if
it
was
a
confident
and
there's
eight
minimum
boats.
So
there
was
no
compliment
minute
part
of
this.
This
will
go
on
to
council
and
it
would
be
a
simple
majority
vote
of
the
City
Council
at
the
time
they
consider.
C
D
Patients
today,
they
think
he
saw
a
fine
example
of
like
what
streets
aren't
constructed
tonight,
even
though
it's
like
expected
in
the
future
that
over
time,
we
start
to
see,
people
are
not
expected
to
go
through,
and
so
we'll
continue
to
have
discussions
like
that.
The
other
thing
is
that
you
know
I
think
we
probably
should
do
up
the
post
some
additional,
maybe
discussion
about
kind
of
goals
of
our
comp
plan.
D
Beautiful
home
was
proposed
tonight,
but
six
acre
lots
in
in
urban
des
moines
is
not
following
our
comp
plan,
and
so
we
really
need
to
be
looking
at
what
we're
looking
for
for
lot
sizes
and
residential
to
be
able
to
pay
for
services
in
the
city
for
future.
So
as
you
consider
those
types
of
project
in
the
future
make
sure
what
we're
looking
at
those
things.
So
much
thanks
and.