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From YouTube: 12-18-19 Zoning Board of Adjustment
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Des Moines Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting on Wednesday, Dec. 18, 2019.
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B
Good
afternoon,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started
here.
Welcome
to
the
monthly
meeting
of
the
City
of
Des
Moines
Zoning
Board
of
Adjustment.
This
board
has
the
power
under
Iowa
law
and
the
zoning
ordinance
of
the
City
of
Des
Moines
to
hear
requests
for
variances
and
exceptions
from
the
regulations
in
the
zoning
ordinance
to
review
and
consider
conditional
use,
permit
requests
and
to
review
appeals
from
the
decision
of
the
staff
and
the
administration
of
the
zoning
ordinance
and
to
then
make
decisions
in
such
matters.
B
The
members
of
this
board
are
citizens
of
the
City
of
Des
Moines
and
have
been
appointed
to
this
board
by
the
City
Council.
The
board
members
are
volunteers
and
received
no
compensation
for
their
public
service.
I'm,
going
to
take
a
moment
here
and
introduce
the
members
of
our
board
as
well
as
our
city
staff.
That
will
be
assisting
with
the
process
today
for
board
members
on
the
audience's
right
is
Justin.
B
Gross
next
to
him
is
Dave
Gare
on
the
audience's
left
is
Cindy
Smith
next
to
her
is
Marlys
Jones
and
I'm
Mel
pens
the
board
chair,
and
we
should
have
Nathan
Blake
arriving
shortly.
We'll
have
six
of
our
seven
members
present
today,
I
introduced
our
city
staff.
City's
legal
counsel
on
my
left
is
Judy
Park
screws
down
here
in
the
front
row
by
the
podium
is
Bert
drost
city,
planner,
Kathryn
da
start
city,
planner,
Eric,
Lundy,
city
planner
and
Sue
Ann
Donovan,
the
city's
zoning
enforcement
officer.
B
I'll
go
through
the
procedure
here.
For
some
of
you,
this
may
be
the
first
time
you're
in
front
of
us.
You
may
hope
it's
the
only
time,
you're
in
front
of
us,
so
I'll
give
you
how
our
process
will
work
today,
but
we'll
take
each
and
every
one
of
you
through
the
process.
So
don't
worry
about
the
formality,
we'll
help
everybody
along
here.
This
is
an
open
public
meeting,
but
it
is
a
formal
legal
hearing.
The
meeting
is
being
recorded,
both
audio
and
visual.
B
In
fact,
we
should
be
broadcasting
live
or
in
reruns
on
the
city's
cable
channel.
The
board
members
have
received
a
copy
of
the
agenda
and
the
staff
recommendations
copies
of
this
agenda
and
the
staff
recommendations
are
available
in
the
tray
right
outside
the
door
here.
So
if
you
haven't
grabbed
one
yet,
when
I'm
done
with
my
opening
remarks,
feel
free
to
step
up
and
grab
an
agenda,
this
board
is
required
to
base
its
decision
in
each
case
upon
the
criteria
established
by
law
for
the
type
of
relief
sought
by
the
applicant.
B
The
law
applicable
to
each
case
has
been
identified
in
the
written
staff
report
and
if
the
facts,
as
determined
by
this
board,
demonstrates
that
the
criteria
established
by
law
for
granting
the
relief
has
been
satisfied,
then
the
board
must
grant
the
relief.
Otherwise
the
board
must
deny
the
requested
relief.
Each
appeal
will
be
announced
in
the
order,
as
presented
on
the
agenda
staff,
will
first
give
a
brief
presentation
and
explanation
of
the
appeal.
B
After
the
staff
presentation,
the
appellant
or
a
representative
of
the
appellant
will
be
allowed
to
speak.
First,
they
will
be
allowed
up
to
ten
minutes
to
present
their
appeal
in
the
reasoning
for
their
requests.
Anyone
else
present
in
support
of
the
appeal
will
then
be
allowed
up
to
five
minutes
each
to
present
their
comments.
Following
that,
anyone
present
in
opposition
to
the
appeal
will
be
allowed
to
five
minutes
each
to
present
their
comments
of
opposition.
B
If
there's
opposition
to
the
requested
appeal,
the
applicant
will
be
allowed
up
to
three
minutes
for
a
rebuttal
or
other
closing
comments.
All
speakers
are
requested
to
speak
from
only
the
podium
up
here
at
the
front
to
your
front
left
and
to
begin
your
presentation
by
first
giving
both
your
name
and
address.
If
you're
a
resident
here
or
a
property
owner,
you
can
give
the
address
of
your
home
or
location
if
you're
here
in
a
professional
capacity
as
an
attorney
and
engineer,
architect,
etc,
you
can
give
the
address
of
your
office
or
place
of
employment.
B
After
testimony
is
provided
by
all
speakers,
the
board
will
close
any
further
public
comment
and
the
board
will
immediately
deliberate
the
request
and
we
will
make
a
decision
here
today
on
that
specific
item.
If
your
appeal
is
approved
by
this
board,
we
ask
that
you
wait
until
about
a
week
from
now
to
go
to
the
permit
and
Development
Center
if
you
need
any
necessary
building
permits.
B
This
will
allow
the
decision
of
the
board
to
be
documented
in
the
form
of
a
decision
and
order
that
decision
order
will
be
provided
not
only
to
you
but
to
our
permit
staff
as
well.
Any
appeal
that
is
approved
by
this
board
must
be
implemented,
constructed
or
otherwise,
utilized
within
two
years
of
the
date
of
the
decision
by
this
board.
B
Otherwise
such
approval
shall
expire
items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda,
which
is
the
first
segment
of
the
agenda,
are
not
planned
to
be
individually
discussed
or
for
us
to
receive
any
testimony
or
summary.
We
will
consider
those
items
for
approval
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report,
unless
there's
an
individual
present
in
the
audience
or
a
member
of
this
board
that
requests
the
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
separately
considered
under
the
public
hearing
agenda.
B
So
I'll
come
back
to
that
consent
agenda
in
just
a
few
minutes,
but
basically
we
would
be
looking
at
granting
approval
to
those
items
on
the
consent
agenda.
As
they've
been
presented,
the
decisions
of
this
board
can
only
be
appealed
in
the
polk
county
district
court.
So
if
you
believe
you
have
been
harmed
by
an
error
made
by
this
board,
your
only
remedy
is
to
seek
relief
through
the
district
court
within
30
days
of
the
filing
of
the
board's
decision
and
order.
B
If
you
believe
the
zoning
regulations
applied
by
this
board
are
wrong,
you
may
petition
the
City
Council
to
change
those
regulations
for
future
considerations.
All
material
that
is
written
or
otherwise
used
today
as
part
of
any
prayer
tation,
will
become
a
permanent
part
of
the
record
and
will
not
be
returned.
So
if
you
plan
to
show
us
any
documents,
photographs,
drawings,
etc,
you'll
either
need
to
leave
those
with
staff
for
the
record
or
be
prepared
to
provide
a
suitable
copy,
just
a
few
housekeeping
items.
B
We
ask
that
you
avoid
any
undue
conversation
in
the
audience
so
as
to
not
be
disruptive
from
the
hearing
that
is
in
progress
and
you're
doing
a
great
job.
So
far,
please
also
ensure
your
cell
phone
has
been
silenced
again
good
job,
and
if
you
need
to
use
a
restroom,
you
can
leave
through
the
door
here
walk
past
the
staircase.
You
don't
have
to
go
down
the
stairs,
there's
restrooms
to
the
left
just
past
the
staircase.
B
Once
the
agenda
item
you
are
interested
in
has
been
completed,
you
are
welcome
to
leave
the
hearing
and
we'll
have
a
10-minute
break
in
the
hearing
after
3
o'clock.
If
that
may
be
needed,
so
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
take
a
look
at
the
agenda
again
to
see
if
we
have
any
final
changes
to
what's
being
presented.
Bert.
C
Yeah
I
do
have
a
couple
changes:
Bert
draws
planning,
City
of
Des
Moines
item
number
3,
the
appeal
at
2908
67th
Street
staff
has
recommended
approval,
but
we
did
get
a
comment
card
back
in
opposition
and
an
email
from
the
Merle
hay
Neighborhood
Association.
So
staff
is
moving
number
three
to
the
discussion.
C
Is
a
request
to
amend
a
conditional
use
for
a
concert
venue
at
11:59,
24th
Street
staffs,
recommended
approval
of
amending
the
conditions
they
have
applicants
and
agreement
with
that
and
we've
received
support
from
the
Drake
Neighborhood
Association
and
from
three
of
the
other
neighbors.
So
staff
is
comfortable
moving
number
five
to
the
consent.
Okay,.
B
Is
there
anybody
here
in
the
audience
that
would
be
an
opposition
to
a
screening
approval
for
item
five?
That's
a
conditional
use
request
at
11:59,
24th
Street.
Anybody
here
in
opposition.
Just
raise
your
hand
if
you
are
okay,
seeing
none
are
there
any
further
questions,
comments
or
concerns
from
the
board?
If
none
would
there
be
a
motion
to
move
item
five
to
consent?
So,
second,
okay,
we
got
a
motion
by
Marlys.
Second,
by
Nathan,
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
all
right,
unanimous,
that's
six
zero!
B
So
what
I'm
gonna
do
here
briefly,
I'm
gonna
read
through
all
those
items
that
are
shown
now
to
be
on
the
consent
agenda
and
if
anybody
would
be
opposed
to
us
granting
approvals
which
would
be
subject
to
the
staff
conditions
as
listed
if
anybody's
in
opposition
of
the
approval
or
the
staff
conditions,
raise
your
hand
and
then
we'll
take
your
testimony
and
move
that
to
the
regular
part
of
the
hearing,
otherwise,
we'll
be
looking
to
approve
the
following
items:
item
1a
variance
request
at
111,
East,
Grand
Avenue.
Anybody
here
in
opposition
to
that.
B
Seeing
none
item
2
is
a
conditional
use,
permit
request
for
Casey's
general
stores
at
5150,
East
14th
Street
anybody
in
opposition
to
that
present.
Seeing
none,
then
we
will
add
in
item
number
five
and
I'll
just
go
through
that
again
quickly.
That's
an
amendment
to
a
conditional
use
permit
at
11:59
24th
Street
anybody
here
in
opposition
to
that.
Okay,
seeing
none
from
the
board's
perspective,
any
questions,
comments
or
concerns
on
items,
one
two
or
five.
If
none
would
there
be
a
motion
to
grant
approval
so.
B
By
Justin's,
second,
by
Marlys,
all
those
in
favor
of
granting
the
requested,
variances
exceptions
and
conditional
use
permits,
raise
your
right
hand,
say
hi,
all
right
that
carries
six
zero.
So
if
you
were
here
for
items,
1,
2
or
5
they've
been
approved,
subject
to
the
staff
recommendations
and
you'll
get
a
copy
of
that
order.
Approval
in
about
a
week
and
Kevin
you
further
questions
on
those
approvals.
B
You
can
talk
to
the
staff
here
after
the
hearing,
so
for
those
of
you
here
for
those
first
items
thanks
for
coming
in
have
a
good
afternoon
all
right,
then
what
we'll
do
here
for
the
regular
portion
of
the
agenda?
We
will
begin
with
item
3
Katherine's,
going
to
help
present
on
that.
It's
an
exception
request
at
2908,
67th,
Street.
E
E
Staff
is
in
favor
of
this
just
due
to
the
fact
that
there's
some
contours
of
the
land
that
make
it
hard
for
them
to
put
any
parking
off
street
parking
on
the
other
side
of
the
duplex
and
the
existing
parking
it
would
require
tandem
parking.
We've
also
evaluated
it
and
noticed
that
a
little
hard
to
see
in
the
aerial.
But
it
would
be
very
difficult
for
tandem
parking
to
actually
fit
two
cars
with
outside
of
the
right-of-way
on
the
existing
parking
lot.
E
Just
another
site
photo
there
and
then,
as
mentioned,
we
did
have
one
card
in
opposition
and
a
letter
from
the
Neighborhood
Association
in
opposition
to
this.
But
staff
has
recommended
approval
of
the
exception
to
add
696
square
feet
of
pavement
width
in
the
front
yard
area,
and
then
we
just
had
a
few
conditions
limiting
it
to
what
they
have
shown
and
then,
as
you
might
have
noticed
in.
E
This
aerial
they
are
putting
the
apron
within
outside
of
the
right-of-way
area,
but
if
they
were
to
widen
the
drive
approach,
they
would
have
to
come
back
in
and
it
would
be
subject
to
a
curb
cut
permit
and
it
could
not
exceed
the
general
24
feet
that
we
restrict
all
driveways
to
and
then
of
course
it
would
have
to
be
in
compliance
with
all
of
our
codes.
So
there
are
any
questions
that
I
can
answer
for
you
or
perhaps
not
the
applicant.
E
B
E
G
E
A
B
B
B
E
B
B
I
B
Right,
okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Any
other
questions
all
right,
thanks,
Catherine,
okay,
so
the
way
the
hearing
works
we
get
to
hear
from
the
applicant
first.
They
have
up
to
ten
minutes
to
present
their
appeal
is
the
applicant
present
come
on
up
and
we
just
need
your
name
and
address,
and
then
you
got
up
to
ten
minutes
to
give
us
your
reasoning
why
we
should
grant
this
exception,
got.
K
You
thank
you.
My
name
is
Michael
Hammond
I
had
my
residence
in
1645,
Northwest,
104th,
Street
and
Clive,
but
I
also
own
the
property
that
we're
talking
about
the
2906
and
2908
67th
Street,
it's
a
duplex,
it's
a
one!
Is
it
and
one
it's
a
three-bedroom
duplex,
so
we
obviously
can
have
number
of
licensed
drivers
there.
We
purchased
it
in
October
thirty-first,
it's
a
unique
property
in
that
to
the
park
to
the
north.
It's
a
steep
drop
down,
so
I
cannot
extend
that
drive
for
me.
So
therefore
we
are
limited
to
where
we
are.
K
It
currently
has
two
wide
and
as
as
she
mentioned,
you
stack
the
two
up,
then
in
fact
we're
dropping
the
right
or
blocking
the
right
away,
and
so
it's
also
unique
in
that
sherek
and
67
connection
is
that
there
are
lots
of
drives
and
because
of
that
curve,
there's
very
limited
off
or
on
street
record
on
street
parking.
So
therefore,
my
biggest
concern
and
I
think
the
concern
of
the
previous
owner
has
been.
What
do
you
do
with
these
cars
with
five
potential
bedrooms?
K
You
know
who
knows
three,
four,
you
know
total
and
because
the
fact
the
off
street
party
on
street
parking
is
so
incredibly
limited
and
we
have
so
many
duplexes
in
the
area
I'm
just
trying
to
do
what
we
can
to
facilitate
my
tenants
but,
more
importantly,
facilitate
the
City
of
Des
Moines
and
get
as
many
cars
off
as
we
can.
Mr.
pinzer,
as
far
as
to
regard
the
apron,
hopefully
is
wide
enough.
Were
we
apart
all
north
to
south,
so
we're
not
going
east
to
west
north
to
south.
K
K
Worked
our
way
through
that
I
we
simply
have
a
rule.
The
rule
is
you
just
you
park
in
your
spaces,
you
go
to
the
front
of
it
and
I
think
with
apron
being
widened
to
the
east,
there's
plenty
of
access
to
get
to
the
other
three
and
then
the
four
parking
spots.
The
alternative
is
to
Sakon
cars
and
blocking
right,
aways
or
trying
to
find
parking
in
front
of
other
people's
driveways
and
mailboxes.
And
so
that's
my
concern
is
how
to
facilitate
the
city
and
how,
with
sautéed
tenants
in
the
neighborhood
as
well.
K
So
I
I
was
not
aware
of.
There
was
a
car,
don't
know
if
that's
a
concern
or
I,
don't
know
what
the
levels
work
there
you
go
prefer.
The
green
space
and
I
can
appreciate
that
I
thought.
I
had
a
front
yard.
I
thought
this
is
a
side
yard,
but
I
got
I
learned
very
quickly
of
two-frame
yards,
and
so
therefore
the
67th
Street
nothing's
gonna
be
affected
whatsoever.
This
is
going
to
be
the
shared
side,
which
obviously
is
what
I
consider
to
be
a
side
yard,
but
in
the
existing
parking
as
well
so
I'm.
A
K
K
It's
just
a
property,
quite
honestly,
50
years
old
and
probably
did
have
been
a
bit
ignored,
and
so,
where
it's
been
an
incredible
amount
of
time,
just
revamping
the
the
entire
duplex
making
it
modern
doing
all
the
out
inside
and
soon
to
be
outside
in
enemies
to
make
this
a
nice
pleasant
place
to
live
in
cooperation
with
with
what
the
neighborhood's
trying
to
do
so.
Okay,.
B
K
K
B
Duchin,
okay!
Alright.
Thank
you,
sir
much
appreciate
it.
Ok,
so
next
step
is:
is
there
anybody
here
to
speak
in
support
of
the
applicants
request
which
they
could
have
up
to
five
minutes?
Seeing
none
is
there
anybody
here
to
speak
in
opposition
to
the
applicants,
requests
okay,
going
once
going
twice.
If
none
do,
we
have
any
further
questions
for
staff
as
a
board
if
none
we'll
close
the
public
portion
then
and
go
to
board
deliberation.
What's.
B
Okay,
so
we've
got
a
motion
and
a
second
to
move
staff
recommendation
which
would
be
for
approval
subject
to
the
conditions
that
are
present.
So
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
say:
aye
aye,
all
right
looks
like
motion
carries
6-0,
okay,
well
presented
case.
You
got
some
unique
terrain
there,
so
keep
making
the
property
in
the
neighborhood
better.
Thank
you
very
much,
Michael
all
right.
So
that
brings
us
then,
on
our
regular
portion
of
the
agenda.
C
C
If
they
wouldn't
have
taken
it
away
to
repair
it
wouldn't
have
lost
grandfather
rights
or
legal
non-conforming
right
so
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
explain
that
better,
but
the
subject
sign
is
located
right
here
at
the
entrance
when
you
come
into
the
former
series
building,
so
it's
actually
on
the
property,
that's
owned
by
serious
still,
here's
a
this
is
actually
a
photoshopped
rendering
that
shows
what
the
sign
would
look
like.
Again,
it's
really
putting
back
the
sign
exactly
how
it
was
before
it
was
taken
away
from
the
site
for
repair
and
here's
a
site
photo.
C
C
Here's
another
example:
so
again,
really
all
they're
wanting
to
do
is
to
replace
one
of
these
that
was
knocked
over,
but,
as
you
can
see,
it
doesn't
have
the
two
foot
tall
masonry
base
that
goes
along
the
entire
sign
face.
So
as
staff
we
have
to
take
the
hard
look
at
that
and
say:
well,
it
is
the
City
Council's
intent
or
desire
to
get
all
of
our
signs
to
eventually
be,
in
conformance
with
the
freestanding
monument
sign
regulations.
C
So,
as
you'll
see
in
the
recommendation,
we
have
recommended
denial
of
the
variances
here's
the
consent
map.
You
can
see
the
two
cards
came
in
in
support,
and
then
we
had
an
email
here
from
Jason
Pollan
with
the
Merle
hay,
Neighborhood,
Association
and
also
from
Chris
Moore's
I
just
said
they
were
comfortable
with
the
city
staff
recommendation,
which
was
for
denial.
So
again
the
variances
would
allow
them
to
put
up
the
sign
exactly
how
it
was
before
it
was.
A
B
C
B
It's
real
flagstone
because
could
there
be
a
meet
in
the
middle
or
did
staff
maybe
suggest
in
your
own,
as
you
put
this
together?
Well
gee,
if
they
filled
in
the
sign
base,
might
not
be
tall
enough,
but
if
we
just
they
just
filled
in
the
other
half.
So
we
had
a
solid
base
throughout
that'll
be
a
little.
C
J
G
B
A
L
C
B
M
B
M
M
So
we
have
been
trying
to
work
this
out,
but
when
the
sign
was
hit
for
public
safety
concerns,
we
our
maintenance
staff
removed
the
sign.
The
sign
has
not
left
the
property,
it
is
in
our
maintenance
garage
and
we
have
it's
been
held
there.
Why
have
you
been
trying
to
figure
this
out?
So
it
is
located
where
our
parking
garages
on
the
North
portion
just
south
of
that
Sears
line.
M
But
this
was
this
was
during
the
Christmas
break.
We
are
pedestrian-friendly
Mall.
We
have
lots
of
buses,
we
didn't
want
something
just
laying
there
that
someone
could
get
hurt,
and
so
we
made
the
decision
to
remove
it
before
we
even
contacted
a
sign
company.
If
we
had
known
that
that
was
what
would
take
us
out
of
legal
non-conforming
status,
we
would
have
not
done
that.
M
L
I
think
what
you
answered,
a
question
that
I
had.
Could
you
just
do
without
this
sign,
but
the
Kohl's
issue
I
totally
get
it
it's
it's
sort
of
hidden
back
there.
So
if
you
weren't
familiar
with
the
area,
you
would
need
need
to
know
where
to
go,
because
if
you
went
the
other
way,
you
would
there's
not
a
way
to
cut
around
back.
You'd
have
to
go
back
out
on
to
the
Main
streets
and
get
around,
so
it
makes
total
sense
that
you
need
signage
there.
D
D
M
D
M
A
B
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
anybody
else
here,
speaking
support
of
the
applicant.
They
have
up
to
five
minutes,
seeing
none
anybody
here
to
speak
in
opposition
to
the
applicant
okay,
seeing
none
any
further
questions
for
staff,
don't
see
any
all
right!
Well,
close
public
portion
go
to
board
deliberation
like.
B
N
J
B
L
It's
internal
and
the
issue
with
it
being
taller
and
wider
and
bigger
could
be
distracting
for
drivers.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts.
When
you
get
into
any
mall.
Okay,
go
left
or
go
right,
go
straight.
You've
got
other
traffic
coming
at
you,
so
I
think
you
notice
I
go
there.
A
lot
and
I
haven't
really
paid
that
much
attention
to
these
signs,
which
is
a
good
thing,
because
that
means
it's
fairly
innocuous.
It's
there
for
people
who
need
it,
I
think.
J
B
Chair
right
seconded,
yes,
a
motion
was
by
Dave
second
by
Cindy.
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand,
say
aye
as
opposed
okay,
all
right
in
principle,
but
in
practice
you
have
been
approved
to
reinstall
your
sign
just
double-check,
with
the
city
on
that
reinstall.
As
long
as
you
meet
our
conditions
and
meet
the
other
construction
requirements
should
be
good
so,
and
we
look
forward
to
other
cool
things
happening
up
at
Merle
hay
just
up
there
last
week
for
a
good
movie
and
some
shopping
so
keep
up
the
good
work
there.
I
I
Since
that
time
the
appellant
has
been
seeking
to
allow
reuse
of
a
accesory
building
on
the
property
in
this
area,
I
believe
it's
a
34
by
34,
I'm,
sorry
32
by
32.
That's
right,
tucked
up
against
the
what
we
consider
a
site
lot
line
in
a1,
which
is
up
against
the
bypass,
so
the
buy
when
they
acquired
right
away
for
the
bypass
they
they
preserve
this
on
the
property
and
didn't
take
it
at
that
time.
So
it's
it's
there.
It's
the
only!
I
Well!
There's
another
little
small
garage
right
in
this
area,
single
garage
and
I
believe
the
house
was
in
this
area
before
it
was
destroyed.
So
the
appellant
is
seeking
to
make
a
residence
on
the
property
by
renovating
the
32
by
32
building
and
also
is
asking
to
waive
the
requirement
that
parking
be
accessed
by
an
off
street
or
off
street
parking
be
accessed
by
an
unpaved
drive
with
the
existing
drive.
I
B
I
This
is
a
little
bit
of
a
sketch
that
was
provided
at
the
time
of
the
application
until
they
indicate
that
it
was
only
seven
feet
from
that
mm-hmm
Northwest
property
line.
So
that's
one
of
the
appeals
is
the
allowance.
Do
you
know
how
buildings
in
a
one
didn't
have
the
same
requirement
for
setbacks?
I,
don't
believe,
is
the
principle
structure.
So
once
you've
made
this
a
single-family
was
the
principal
structure
just
kind
of
as
a
point
of
reference.
A
I
It
were
would
have
been
you
know
this
past,
Monday
or
forward
they'd,
be
looking
at
a
rezoning
to
allow
residential
use
of
the
property.
So,
given
the
context,
I
think
staff
looked
at
this
under
the
exception
of
the
LA
area,
for
allowing
a
dwelling
under
a1,
we
didn't
have
any
concern
about
the
fact
that
it
was
under
ten
acres.
It's
about
7.19
acres
in
size,
so
it's
fairly
substantial
in
size
for
a
single-family
dwelling,
there's
plenty
of
land,
if
necessary,
for
septic
system
that
might
have
to
be
installed
at
some
point
in
time.
I
If
I
think
there's
potentially
one
in
place
already,
but
if
it
ever
failed,
they
would
have
to
probably
have
a
new
one
that
met
current
codes.
Again
we're
not
opposed
to
having
a
single-family
dwelling
here.
So
we
think
we
could
justify
granting
the
exception,
but
to
give
the
relief
of
the
variance
on
the
narrow
setback
on
the
west
and
then
not
provide
paved
access
to
the
parking
we
weren't
able
to
find
that
they
demonstrated
meeting
the
test
for
variance.
I
You
know
again,
you're
probably
going
to
hear
from
the
applicant
that
there
means
to
build
a
new
house
on
the
property,
probably
isn't
necessarily
readily
available.
When
you
look
at
the
criteria
for
variance,
it
doesn't
necessarily
take
into
account
their
personal
financial
situation,
but
rather
something
due
to
the
land
would
have
to
cause
them
to
be
out
of
their
own
making
again
I
think
the
land
is
sufficient
to
accommodate
a
house
that
meets
the
set
back
and
provide
paved
access.
So
we
would
recommend
denial
of
the
two
variances
at
this
time.
A
B
Eric,
if
these
folks
on
the
property
and
this
other
structure
wasn't
already
present
I'm
guessing,
they
probably
would
not
choose
to
locate
a
house
right
there,
ina
so
I'm
guessing
what's
driving.
This
is
again.
We
have
a
footprint
of
the
existing
accessory
structure,
but
even
if
we
were
inclined
to
grant
this,
that
brings
us
right
back
around
to
building
code.
Would
the
current
footings
of
the
accessory
structure
meet
requirements
for
a
single-family.
I
I
B
Yeah
kind
of
what
I'm
getting
at
is
I
doubt
whether
if
we
grant
this
today,
they'll
just
be
able
to
go,
run
and
and
add
on
a
second
story
to
that
and
everybody's
happy.
They're,
probably
gonna
have
to
do
a
lot
of
extra
engineering,
because
I'm
assuming
that
structure
was
built
under
previous
Warren
County
building
codes,
which
personally,
in
my
opinion,
when
I
live,
there
were
non-existent.
I
B
G
B
I,
don't
want
to
get
too
protracted
on
this,
but
we
have
had
cases
in
the
past
and
again
I
understand
that
at
the
time
the
application
was
filed.
The
old
zoning
ordinance
was
in
effect,
but
when
cities
have
had
community
development
plans
or
district
development
plans
of
both
staff
and
the
courts
have
allowed
this
board
to
take
those
into
consideration
that
hey
look
we're
trying
to
have
a
new
direction.
I
You
can
take
the
plan
DSM
into
account.
Okay,
the
I
think
that
the
direction
the
appellant
was
given
is
that
for
your
own
purposes,
if
this
goes
forward,
you
would
want
a
secret
owning
of
the
property
so
that
you
had
permanent
rights.
You
know
you
wouldn't
lose
anything
if
it
were
ice,
troit
again
or
right,
so
that
would
maybe
be
in
there
longer
term
right
sure
for
right
zoning
actions
that
would
be
sure
to
take
and
I
don't
think
they
wanted
to
go
that
far
with
it
until
they
knew
they
could
do
this
project.
B
O
Definitely
my
name
is
Mark
Thompson
I'm,
an
attorney
here
in
Des
Moines.
My
address
is
at
42
14
floor
drive
sole
practitioner.
I
just
might
give
a
quick
rundown
of
the
facts
behind
this
situation
for
your
information,
mr.
Reese
are
purchased
his
property
in
2001
mr.
Reese,
here
back
there
in
the
back
row.
At
that
time
the
property
had
a
old
Victorian
farmhouse,
a
detached
garage,
barn
and
a
fairly
new
shop
building,
which
is
the
subject
of
this
appeal.
O
It's
in
unincorporated
or
was
an
unincorporated
Warren
County
at
that
time
and
had
a
Norwalk
mailing
address,
which
I
think
it
still
may
in
2009.
It
was
annexed
by
the
city
of
Des
Moines
in
about
2013.
While
mr.
Reiser
was
traveling
on
business,
the
house
was
vandalized,
it
was
actually
largely
demolished
by
his
then
stepson
pipes
were
broken,
walls
were
broken
out,
it
was,
it
was
completely
trashed
sleep,
he
didn't
live
in
it
and
because
it
was
a
deemed
to
be
a
family
matter.
The
insurer
wouldn't
pay.
O
O
Unfortunately,
because
it
was
vacant,
it
was
uninsurable
and
there
was
no
insurance
on
the
property
and
although
he
did
his
best
to
secure
the
property,
people
broke
in
and
eventually
a
fire
broke
out
and
the
house
was
destroyed,
as
was
previously
mentioned
about
that
same
time,
mr.
Reiser
had
a
series
of
work-related
accidents
that
rendered.
O
To
work
for
a
while
and
unable
to
put
any
money
into
the
property
to
try
to
improve
it
and
the
time
they're
rebuilding
the
house
expired
without
him
being
able
to
rebuild.
That
prior
house,
however,
is
now
he's
in
a
position
to
improve
the
property,
and
he
would
like
to
convert
the
existing
shop
building
into
a
residence,
as
was
mentioned
earlier,
we're
appreciative
of
staff's
position
on
the
exception
for
the
10-acre
requirement
and
unless
any
board
members
have
questions
on
that.
I'll
just
skip
over
that
and
go
on
to
the
variances
as.
O
To
the
the
paved
drive
and
and
I'm
sure
you
all
know
the
conditions
and
requirements
the
criteria
for
allowing
a
variance
the
first
is:
you
have
to
have
no
reasonable
return
without
the
variance
on
the
property
here,
mr.
Reese,
or
bought
the
property
with
a
house
side
that
was
included
in
the
purchase
price
was
a
house
for
him.
Now
to
the
house
gone
and
no
insurance
money
to
have
to
build
a
second
house
would
be
an
economically
unfeasible.
He
would
end
up
losing
money
on
the
property
instead
of
a
reasonable
return.
O
He
would
get
no
return.
There'd
be
a
you
know.
A
loss.
I
would
compare
this
to
some
of
the
earlier
cases
you
had
just
today.
A
couple
sign
cases
where,
apparently
the
standard
is
the
same
you
have
to
have
you
know.
No
reasonable
return
is
possible
on
the
property
from
the
item.
One
today
was
a
sign
in
the
East,
Village,
I,
think
and
and
of
course,
the
Merle
hay
mall
case
just
a
few
moments
ago.
O
Apparently,
it's
there's
at
least
inherently
a
determination
that,
without
that
sign
variance,
there's
no
way
to
make
money
on
Merle
hay
mall.
If
that's
true,
then
certainly
mr.
Reiser
has
an
argument
here
that
there's
no
reasonable
return
on
this
property
and,
of
course,
he's
not
a
huge
corporation
he's,
just
a
single
individual
who's
trying
to
enjoy
the
property
he
bought
he's
trying
to
make
the
best
of
a
bad
situation
with
no
guarantee
of
a
profitable
return.
O
We
we
maintain
that
this
clearly
meets
the
first
test,
which
is
a
lack
of
a
reasonable
return
without
the
variance.
The
second,
of
course,
is
that
the
plight
of
the
owner
is
not
due
to
his
own,
his
own
fault.
He
can't
be
of
his
own
making,
and
here,
as
I
said,
there
was
the
vandalism.
There
was
the
the
fire
that
broke
out,
probably
as
a
result
of
arson.
His
multiple
personal
injuries
and.
A
O
The
final
criterion
is
that
the
use
to
be
authorized
by
the
variance
will
not
alter
the
essential
character
of
the
locality
of
the
land
in
question,
and
here
the
variance
is
being
requested
will
not
change
the
character
of
the
locality
at
all.
In
fact,
it
will
preserve
the
character
of
the
locality
that
shop
building
has
been
there
since
1995
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
it
it
is
a
modern
building.
It's
it's
got
plumbing
insulation
electrical
everything
he's
not
just
trying
to
convert
some
ancient.
You
know
chicken
coop
to
turn
it
into
a
residence.
O
It
is
a
house
and
I
would
clarify
that
he's
not
seeking
to
add
a
second
story:
I'm,
not
sure
where
that
thought
came
from
he's.
Just
wanting
to
convert
this.
This
building
32
by
32,
which
it
won't
be
large,
obviously
it'd,
be
a
one-bedroom
house
to
convert
it
into
a
residence,
for
example,
on
the
setback
issue.
O
O
This
is
especially
true,
given
that
the
adjacent
property
is
part
of
the
right-of-way
for
the
highway
five
bypass.
There's,
there's
no
neighbor
next
door,
that's
going
to
be
bothered
by
this
property
being
next
to
the
to
the
property
line
or
being
so
close,
and
it
doesn't
impact
any
of
the
other
residents
of
the
neighborhood.
O
Similarly,
similarly,
on
the
paved
drive
issue,
the
use
of
the
existing
unpaved
Drive
would
be
very
much
in
keeping
with
the
essential
character
of
the
neighborhood,
as
it
currently
exists.
I
actually
drove
through
the
neighborhood
this
morning,
up
and
down
boarder
street
and
within
about
a
quarter
of
a
mile
or
so
on
either
side
of
his
property
I
counted
a
total
of
ten
driveways,
including
his,
and
none
of
them
are
paved
it's
a
gravel
road
with
gravel
driveways,
and
it's
not
clear
what
the
point
would
be
to
have
paved
driveways.
O
Finally,
I
would
note
that
the
staff
recommendation
concludes
by
stating
that
conversion
of
a
utility
outbuilding
into
a
dwelling
would
not
be
within
the
essential
character
of
the
surrounding
area.
First
of
all,
I
don't
think
that
statements
necessarily
true
it
would
depend
on
the
nature
of
the
building
being
converted.
It
would
depend
on
the
quality
and
extent
of
the
work
being
done.
It's
certainly
possible
to
take
an
existing
outbuilding
of
some
sort
and
through
renovations
make
it
indistinguishable
from
any
other
single
family
residence.
It's
also
particularly
true
in
this
neighborhood
just
across
the
street.
O
There
is
a
house
that
I
believe
was
built
by
design
to
look
like
a
barn.
I,
don't
think
it's
a
conversion,
but
it's
got
the
the
gambrel
roof
that
a
barn
has
it's
got.
The
little
cupola
is
on
top
that
barns
off
and
have
I
mean
if
you
drive
by
and
look
at
it.
You
say:
oh,
it
looks
like
a
barn,
but
it's
clearly
a
house
so
in
this
particular
neighborhood.
Converting
an
outbuilding
like
this
to
a
home
would
not
alter
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
O
So,
in
conclusion,
you
know
he
bought
this
property
nearly
20
years
ago,
seeking
a
quiet,
rural
residence
and,
due
to
this
unsere,
the
unfortunate
events
I
discussed
he's
not
really
been
able
to
enjoy
the
property
he
purchased,
at
least
in
recent
years.
Without
the
variances
requested,
he
will
be
deprived
of
any
reasonable
return
on
the
property,
and
the
variances
requested
in
this
case
will
tend
far
more
to
preserve
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
than
to
alter
it.
We
respectfully
request
that
the
variances
be
granted.
O
A
B
Have
55
seconds
left
but
ok
have
questions
for
mark
mark
I
just
have
a
brief
one
here
and
I
think
you
reference
this.
It
might
have
been
assumed,
but
in
your
last
minute
or
so
I
think
you
said
the
owner
of
the
property
plans
to
live
there
in
in
the
residence
yeah
and
the
question
about
or
the
statement
about,
the
second
story.
That
was
a
question
that
I
had
a
lot
of
times.
B
O
B
B
B
You
know
and
he'd
get
some
good
ready
to
return
on
that
people
are
gonna,
start
scratching
their
heads
so
which
what?
What?
What
would
you
say
to?
What's
the
future
of
this
property,
then,
is
he
going
to
continue
to
ask
for
exceptions
or
variances
down
the
road
from
the
zoning
ordinance
beyond
this
I'm.
O
Not
aware
of
any
future
plans
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out,
we
mentioned
the
center
in
the
statement
he's
submitted,
but
I
didn't
mention
it
just
now.
The
topography
of
this
property
is
a
little
unusual
on
the
the
west
side.
Maybe
the
western
30%
it's
fairly
flat,
but
most
of
the
eastern
part
is
a
huge
hill
that
goes
up
and
there's
nearly
not
a
lot.
You
can
do
there
in
terms
of
like
agriculture
or
something
you.
B
B
O
B
A
B
To
the
best
of
your
knowledge-
and
he
can
just
shake
his
head
east
border
Street,
Beardsley
Street-
is
not
a
paved
Street
at
this
time.
Correct
because
I
know,
we've
spent
very
little
to
no
time
on
the
non
paved
driveway
aspect
here,
but
it's
not
a
paved
road
at
this
time.
Correct.
Okay,
all
right,
any
other
questions,
all
right,
Thank
You,
mr.
Thompson!
Thank
you.
Okay.
Anybody
here
to
speak
in
support
of
the
applicants,
requests
all
right.
Seeing
none
anybody
here
to
speak
in
opposition.
B
B
There
are
a
couple
of
things
that
I
think,
regardless
of
our
decision
here.
If
we
did
decide
to
allow
the
request,
he'd
still
be
required
to
meet
Building
Code.
There
could
be
some
significant
challenges
to
that.
He
may
decide
them
as
probably
isn't
the
best
way
to
expand
or
to
renovate
this,
but
the
building
could
remain
as
it
is
so.
F
J
J
J
B
B
Like
this,
we
don't
have
an
improved
Road
I,
don't
think
tomorrow,
we're
gonna
have
an
office
park,
that's
200
feet,
I
I,
think
we'd
be
taking
the
spirit
and
intent
and
kind
of
beating
up
on
people
with
that.
Unless
we
want
to
have
something
where
he
has
to
pave
the
driveway
at
such
time
the
street
is
paved,
but
then
Sue
Ann
or
her.
Whoever
follows
her
up,
because
that
might
be
a
few
years
from
now
would
probably
have
to
look
at
enforcing
that,
but.
B
J
B
Biggest
issue
for
me
is
if
he
had
made
a
significant
improvement
like
again
adding
stories-
or
you
know,
put
a
quarter
million
dollars
in
this
little
footprint
and
it's
seven
foot
from
the
property
line.
I.
Don't
think
that
that
would
be
wise
for
anybody,
but
it
sounds
like
it
will
be
a
minimum.
It
probably
won't
look
a
whole
lot
different
than
what
we've
got
now
it'll,
be
it
wouldn't
be
a
big
change.
B
J
B
B
B
G
B
B
Fundamentally,
I'd
be
opposed
to
it,
but
impact
wise
it's
little
to
no
impact.
It
is
what
it
is.
It's
not
gonna,
look
any
different
and
and
I
don't
know.
If
we
could
do
this,
but
I'd
want
to
say
I
don't
want
to
see
with
any
other
expansion
of
this
house.
No
other
additions,
no
add-ons
as
almost
a.
If
you
want
this,
then
we
want
that
in
return,
so
that
we
don't
further
take
away
the
intended
reuse
in
the
future
so
that
the
impacts
minimal
so
long-winded.
Can
we
do
a
thing
like
that?
Well,.
H
B
And
by
default
like
legally,
even
if
he
wanted
to
do
something
else,
he'd
probably
have
to
come
back
to
us
or
our
future
whoever's
on
this
board
and
ask
answers.
So
it
might
be
a
moot
point,
even
though,
in
principle
I'd
want
to
see
it.
He
couldn't
expand
it
further,
because
he'd
still
be
violating
the
ordinance
and.
G
And
yes,
so
to
do
any
sort
of
I
mean
we
don't
give
temporary
variances,
but
in
this
case
the
effect
of
it
will
be
essentially
it'll
be
temporary
in
the
sense
of
he
won't
be
able
to
to
actually
utilize
a
single-family
dwelling
and
any
other
capacity
beyond.
Just
this
very
limited
usage
because
of
the
new
zoning
restrictions
right.
J
J
B
And
whether
I
do
don't
want
to
give
mr.
Thompson
credit
for
his
arguments,
basically,
it's
not
gonna
look
any
different
than
it
was
before
all
right.
It's
not
gonna
change
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
nobody's
gonna
notice
it
exactly.
Okay,
all
right!
So
we
got
a
motion
to
grant
the
requested
exception
and
variances.
Would
there
be
a
a
second
I'll?
Second,
okay,
all
right,
so
we've
got
a
motion
and
a
second
all.
B
Those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
say
aye,
one
two,
three,
four,
those
opposed
one,
two
okay,
so
it
takes
four
to
pass
at
any
time,
so
you've
got
four.
So
what
I
would
advise
you
to
do?
Is
you
work
closely
with
city
staff
on
those
building
permits
because
you're
still
going
to
have
to
have
those
and
can't
grant
exemptions
for
that,
so
I'm?
Sorry
to
hear
what
happened
down
there
and
I
wish
you
well
all
right.
You
guys
have
a
good
afternoon.
B
A
C
Item
number
six
I'm,
sorry
number:
seven
is
a
proposal
to
build
a
new
garage
structure
on
the
southeastern
portion
of
this
lot,
the
Civic
properties
located
at
the
northwest
corner
of
School
Street
and
39th
Street.
The
applicant
recently
purchased
a
small
lot
that
was
in
existence,
so
they
boned
this
l-shaped
property
for
some
time,
but
in
the
last
year
they've
bought
this
small
corner
to
square
off
their
property,
as
I
mentioned
they're
wanting
to
build
a
single
fire,
I'm.
C
Sorry,
a
detached
garage
in
this
area
here
which
would
be
low
or
accessed
by
a
driveway
from
school
Street.
As
you
can
see
from
the
site
sketch
this
garage
would
be
on
here.
They
say
17
feet,
but
in
their
write-up
they
mentioned
that
it
would
be
16
feet
from
that
South
property
line
and
then
it
would
be
30
feet
back
from
the
front
property
line
along
39th
Street.
C
Twenty-One
feet
so,
in
the
exception
of
a
half
story
over,
they
allowed
one
story
and
then
an
exception
of
four
feet.
Over
the
allowed
seventeen
feet
of
height
for
an
accessory
structures,
then
the
fifth
appeal
is,
for
an
exception
of
eight
feet,
less
than
the
minimum
required
24
feet
of
maneuvering
for
the
garage.
Since
the
garage
doors
would
face
school
Street,
it
only
have
16
feet
of
maneuvering
onto
private
property
too.
C
A
A
C
C
C
However,
we
just
didn't
feel
that
it's
in
keeping
with
the
character
over
the
neighborhood
to
put
the
garage
more
or
less
in
the
front
yard
area
along
school
Street
the
character
of
the
Drake
neighborhood,
is
that
the
garages
are
located
at
the
rear
of
the
properties
often
accessed
by
alleys
or
in
this
case,
there's
an
existing
driveway
from
the
39th
Street
that
gets
to
that
existing
one
part
garage.
So
we
felt
that
it
was
more
appropriate
to
allow
them
to
build
the
proposed
garage
in
this
northwest
corner
and
I
know:
that's
not
their
desire.
C
Their
first
priority
would
be
to
pelvic
here,
but
staff
believes
that
it'd
be
more
appropriate
to
put
the
1
and
a
half
story
garage
there
at
the
northwest
corner
of
lot
rather
than
the
southeast.
So
staff
has
recommended
denial
of
the
two
exceptions
to
the
front
yard
setbacks
along
school
and
39th
streets.
But
we
have
recommended
approval
of
the
two
exceptions
to
allow
the
one
and
a
half
story
garage
and
then
we've
also
recommended
approval
of
an
alternative
exception,
and
that
was
for.
C
8
feet
less
than
the
minimum
required
24
feet
of
maneuvering
space.
That
would
allow
them
to
slide
the
garage
closer
to
that
alley,
because
you
can
use
alleys
woods
to
provide
her
to
meet
the
minimum
maneuvering
space.
So
if
it's
a
14
foot
wide
alley
in
order
to
provide
10
feet
of
I'm
sorry
24
feet
of
maneuvering,
they
would
have
to
build
the
garage
at
least
10
feet
back
from
that
property
line.
C
In
this
case,
we
thought
it
would
be
appropriate
to
allow
them
to
slide
the
garage
within
2
feet
of
that
property
line,
so
that
they
would
have
a
total
of
16
feet
of
maneuvering.
So
again,
we
have
recommended
approval
of
appeals
to
put
the
garage
in
this
area
within
2
feet
of
the
property
line.
Hebert.
D
C
B
B
B
B
C
B
A
B
You
don't
mind
Burt.
Would
you
leave
their
drawing
there
of
their
intended
sure
what
they'd
like
to
do
so?
I'm
gonna
take
a
peek
at
that:
okay,
all
right,
okay,
applicant
or
representative
of
the
applicants.
You
guys'
turn
sure
you
you
have
ten
minutes
so
as
long
as
long
as
you
can
share
your
time,
we'll
just
need
both
of
your
names
and
your
addresses
as
appropriate.
Q
Q
So
what
you
guys
are
talking
about
in
that
garage
I
want
it
here,
because
first
off
right
back
here,
we
have
to
take
down
a
big
tree
plus
tear
down
this
garage,
so
you've
got
a
garage
there
and
if
we
left
in
here,
they
originally
I
suggest
that
we
enter
from
this
way.
You
couldn't
make
the
turn
pass.
My
house
thank.
A
Q
Where
they
put
it
now,
we've
got
less
than
five
feet
from
the
back
of
our
house.
So
then
I
have
to
tear
off
my
deck.
That
I
have
here.
So
I've
got
a
I've,
got
a
deck
around
here,
a
big
tree
here
and
then
this
little
garage.
That's
why
I
don't
want
to
put
it
there
before
we
even
bought
this.
It
took
us
eight
years
to
get
this
property.
We've
been
trying
to
biking
and
I'll.
Show
you
a
picture,
the
guy
used
to
own
it.
Q
All
the
neighborhoods
were
trying
to
get
to
by
it
and
other
people's
looking
at
buying
it
for
a
dog
park
or
garden.
When
I
said
why
I'd
like
to
put
up
a
garage
here,
every
single
neighbor
told
me
they
would
be
fine
with
the
garage
there.
I,
don't
know
what
you
guys
have
found
up
in
the
things
you've
meld
out,
but
I
had
people
coming
over
soon
be
modest
and
man.
Q
There's
16
feet
there
16
feet.
The
variance
were
asking
for
they're
all
the
same.
The
only
difference
is
they're
not
on
the
corner.
The
garage
is
behind
them,
but
our
garage
would
face
the
other
garages,
like
the
ones
they're
sitting
facing
us.
I,
don't
think
it
would
look
terrible
I'll
put
2
dormers
one
on
each
side
of
it.
So
it
looks
like
it's
more
of
a
house
in
it
than
a
garage,
but.
D
Q
A
Q
Don't
want
to
leave
it
and
I've
had
this
garage
since
I
moved
in
this
house
that
little
single
car
does
me
no
good
matter
of
fact.
Our
vehicles
won't
even
fit
in
it,
so
we're
just
assets.
You
guys
are
really
consider.
Let's
put
it
in
that
front
yard.
I,
don't
think
it's
not
gonna.
Stick
out
past
our
house,
hardly
at
all
I,
don't
think
it's
gonna
do
is
block
my
view
from
my
porch.
So.
A
Q
Don't
think
it's
gonna
be
an
eyesore,
and
if
you
go
down
the
street
a
block
you'll
find
a
brick
building.
It's
a
commercial
building
doesn't
bother
a
thing
and
I've
never
really
been
complaining
about
that
building.
So
we're
just
really
hoping
that
you
guys.
Let
us
do
this
and
I'll.
Let
my
wife
do
some
talking
she's
better.
Q
P
If
we
drive,
if
we
build
apart,
two-car
garage
are
allowed
to
build
one
there,
then
we
have
a
driveway
that
runs
up
the
entire
side
of
our
house.
That
goes
to
the
back
of
a
garage
that
we
can
eat.
You
know
this
is
now
going
to
be
from
the
front
alley
and
we
can't
access
it
coming
in
around
that
way.
Cuz.
That
was
definitely
an
option
that
we
wanted,
but,
and
we
have
two
very
mature
trees
in
our
backyard,
which
means
one.
A
P
P
Q
Q
Q
B
Blacktop.
Okay,
so
you
don't
want
to
retain
that,
so
you
can
park
in
your
own
garage
instead
of
a
she
shed,
it's
a
she
garage
and
then
on
the
new
garage
that
you
want
a
place.
I
noticed
that
you're
kind
of
your
Menards,
drawing
if
I,
can
call
it
that
whoever
did
it.
It
looked
pretty
simple
if
we
were
inclined
to
grant
this
you're
talking
about
having
some
dormers
on
the
on
the
shingled
sides
and
maybe
a
few
more
windows
just.
B
Q
B
O
B
Q
B
B
A
P
L
P
Q
His
house
is
old
house
that
is
the
best
has
ever
looked.
That
thing
was
showing
ragged.
You
can
see
on
the
screen
there,
it
was
so
raggedy
and-
and
it
was
just
terrible-
he
had
junk
everywhere-
I
mean
it
would
look
really
bad
and
people
was
begging
us
to
buy
this
house,
or
this
lot
I
kept
saying.
I
won't
sell
to
me.
So
finally,
I
got
it
this
year
and
I
was
thinking
hundred
sales
would
get
a
garage
I
didn't
realize
it
would
be
all
this.
Q
H
Q
D
Q
Q
B
Have
had
cases
where
you
know
if
we're
gonna
have
a
more
obvious
either
footprint
or
facade
present,
especially
if
it's
closer
to
the
setbacks
then
normally
allowed.
We
do
want
it
to
maybe
be
enhanced
visually,
so
you
mentioned
the
dormer
windows.
Would
you
be
planning
to
do
like
architectural
shingles
and
for
the
siding?
Would
you
be
doing
sighting
that
what
generally
kind
of
match
the
type
of
site
they
have
now?
Do
you
have
a
hard
board
siding
or
what
kind
of.
B
B
Q
Q
B
Q
B
Cool
well,
then,
we
got
the
right
guy.
Okay,
all
right
anything
else.
You
guys
want
to
add.
Okay,
any
other
questions
from
the
board.
Okay,
all
right!
Well,
we
got
our
homework
to
do
then.
Thank
you
both
very
much
okay
for
formalities.
Is
there
anybody
else
that
wishes
to
speak
in
support
of
the
applicant?
Seeing
none
is
there.
Anybody
wishes,
speak
in
opposition,
seeing
none
any
further
questions
for
staff
from
the
board.
B
L
Like
what
they're
trying
to
do
I
think
it
all
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
and
it's
not
it's
not
a
humongous
footprint
oftentimes.
We,
you
know
we
get
these
requests
for
these
40
by
40
or
30
by
40,
or
you
know,
pull
shed
sorts
of
requests
this
this
seems
very
reasonable.
It
doesn't
seem
owner
us,
it
seems
like
he's
willing
to
make
it
look
residential
and
match
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
in
these
old
neighborhoods,
it's
tough
to
always
make
everything
fit
into
into
the
peg.
You
know
for.
A
B
Yeah
and
in
this
case
we're
looking
at
an
exception
level
here,
if
I'm
correct
we're
not
at
the
Marian's
right-
and
you
know,
the
applicant
has
proposed
to
try
to
dress
this
up
a
little
mm-hmm.
So
perhaps
that's
something
you
know
I'm
Cindy's
angle
here.
If
we
could
work
from
that,
maybe
we
can
make
this
look
as
good
as
possible
and
meet
in
the
middle.
Anybody
have
any
thoughts
on
how
to
do
that.
D
Like
if
I
okay,
I
would
just
I
have
to
put
my
two
cents
in
I?
Guess
I,
just
it's
you
know,
I,
don't
think
it's
consistent
with
the
character
of
the
the
neighborhood
I
mean.
If
you
think
you
look
at
the
map.
Most
of
those
garages
are
in
the
alley
behind
the
houses
they're
accessible
from
the
alley,
so
that.
L
J
A
J
J
He
wants
to
build
a
nice
garage,
he's
excited
about
it.
Obviously,
so
and
I
would
be
inclined
to
let
him
keep
the
other
one
I
mean
otherwise.
We
got
a
driveway
to
know
her
and
that
that
garage
certainly
isn't
in
the
way
it's
behind
a
fence
behind
the
house
up
against
an
alley.
So
I
wouldn't
I,
wouldn't
have
any
problems
with
that
either
he's.
G
J
B
B
B
At
the
door,
yeah
then
I'll.
Second,
it
with
a
friendly
amendment,
but
I
might
want
to
give
a
little
more
detail
here.
Yeah
I
want
dormer
windows
on
those
north/south
sides.
You
know
centered
in
the
structure,
whatever
I'd
also
want
to
see
that
there
is
a
at
least
one
window
of
at
least
I.
Think
the
minimums
like.
Is
it
ten
square
feet
on
each
of
the
ends?
Is
that
because
I
just
don't
want
to
slab
in
sure
no.
B
By
looking
at
his
house,
I'd
like
to
see
that
the
those
ends
that
are
above
Eve
and
below
the
Gable,
the
little
triangle
I'd
like
to
see
that
of
a
different
material
than
the
other
siding.
That's
I
think
what
their
side
of
their
house
looks
like
now.
I,
don't
know
how
to
say
that
an
architect,
but
with
all
of
that,
as
long
as
it's
submitted
to
the
approval
of
the
Zoning
Administrator
for
those
compatible
materials,
yeah
yeah.
B
Right,
yeah
a
different
pattern
material
like
sometimes
it
looks
like
the
shape,
New,
England
siding,
and
then
you
get
to
your
horizontal
lap,
just
just
something
in
general,
without
trying
to
over-design
it
just
something
to
break
it
up.
Yes,
exactly
because
that
is
still
gonna
be
pretty
tall
and
to
go
to
what
Justin
was
saying.
You
know
we
do
already
have
one
garage
there.
This
this
is
gonna,
be
prominent
it,
but
for
the
others
as
well
yeah
we
do
have
other
garages
are
on
that
street
face
that
direction.
A
N
J
B
B
B
B
Right,
okay,
so
that'd
be
the
motion
in
this
second,
unless
there's
any
questions,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
requested
exemption
subject
to
the
recommendations
raise
your
right
hand
say
hi
to
three
for
those
opposed
one:
two:
okay,
your
motion
does
carry.
It
always
takes
four,
so
you
got
it
but
keep
improving
your
corner
of
that
neighborhood.
We're
glad
your
family's
staying
there
and
we're
glad
you're
staying
in
Des
Moines.
B
Yeah
yeah
just
go
over
those
with
staff
briefly,
and
you
should
be
in
good
shape.
So
thanks
for
waiting
today,
you
have
a
good
afternoon.
Okay,
we
have
a
little
business
to
do
here
yet
should
we
just
do
the
minutes
first
Bert
before
we
get
into
the
ordinance
and
then
can
I
kind
of
do
we
keep
the
hearing
open
since
we
are
bored
all
right,
so
I
won't
gavel
out
all
right.
Well,
let's
go
ahead
and
do
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting.
Everybody
was
here
at
the
last
meeting.
B
C
H
B
B
Well,
while
that's
updating
I
was
privileged
to
be
on
the
steering
committee
to
look
at
plan
DSM
and
the
zoning
ordinance
and
I'm
certainly
no
expert
on
it,
but
I
want
to
give
credit
to
our
City,
Council
city
manager,
the
staff
and
specifically
to
Mike,
because
somebody's
gotta
kind
of
carry
the
water
carry
the
ball
on
it
and
sometimes
take
the
punches,
and
mike
has
seen
this
thing
through
for
anybody.
That's
in
urban
planning
adopting
a
new
comprehensive
plan
and
a
new
zoning
ordinance.
Sometimes
that
is
in
essence
the
pinnacle
of
a
career.
B
So
I
want
to
give
my
credit
for
seeing
this
through.
He
doesn't
look
like
he's
aged
very
much,
but
it
can
certainly
age
a
person
going
through
all
this,
so
credit
to
Mike
and
all
of
his
colleagues
Sue
Ann
and
all
the
other
staff
who
were
involved
in
this.
It
was
an
incredible
thing
and
I
think
it's
a
great
vision
for
our
city,
but
it's
gonna
take
all
this
little
time
to
get
familiar
with
this.
So
this
is
a
good
start
for
us
to
have
you
talk
well.
R
Mr.
chair,
thank
you
for
your
comments
again
Michael
Ludwig
playing
administrator
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
yeah.
This
has
been
a
really
a
very
monumental
time
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines.
If
you
realize
that
between
the
last
five
years,
we've
adopted
a
new
comprehensive
plan,
our
first
city
freestanding
master
transportation
plan
for
the
entire
city.
R
We've
adopted
a
new
parks
and
recreation
master
plan
of
the
city,
a
new
revitalization
strategy,
investment
strategy
for
for
our
neighborhoods,
invest,
DSM
and
then
a
zoning
code
planning
a
design
code
and
new
citywide
zoning
map
all
in
a
period
of
five
years.
That
is,
you
know
in
any
city.
It
doesn't
matter
where
you're
at
that
is
a
busy
five
years
for
a
city
to
go
through
and
I.
R
Think
realistically,
when
you
put
those
plans
in
place
with
this
council
strategic
plan
and
the
adoption
of
the
local
option
sales
tax
by
by
our
voters,
we
are
poised
as
a
city
to
make
great
progress
by
our
goal
of
2040s
was
established
in
this
plan
DSM.
So
it
is
a
very,
very
exciting
time
to
be
a
part
of
this
city
and
to
see
I
mean
it's
been
exciting.
My
entire
career
here
there's
always
been
something
going
on,
but
I
just
feel
like
with
all
of
these.
R
R
Yeah
so
again,
Plan
B
SM
was
the
name
we
gave
to
our
comprehensive
plan,
update
that
we
did
for
the
city
five
years
ago.
There
are
a
lot
of
different
plans
that
that
influence
the
creation
of
that
of
that
document,
and
and
probably
at
the
top
of
that
and
on
the
top
of
this
chart,
was
the
tomorrow
plan
that
was
done
for
the
region,
the
des
moines
region,
but
we
also
had
a
number
of
other
things
that
influenced
that
plan.
R
Age,
friendly
Greater,
Des
Moines
initiative,
so
we
tried
to
do
is
there
was
a
lot
of
great
planning
that
had
been
done
in
all
these
different
documents,
but
the
goals
and
the
policies
were
all
in
different
documents.
What
we
really
tried
to
do
with
plan
DSM
was
bring
those
all
into
a
single
document
and
avoid
any
conflict
or
conflicting
goals
or
principles
and
tried
to
roll
those
into
an
overall
vision
for
our
city
and
I.
Think
we
successfully
completed
that
so.
O
R
You
understand
how
kind
of
all
these
things
work
together,
we
kind
of
consider
a
plan
DSM
to
be
the
umbrella
for
the
city
and,
if
you
think
about
all
these
other
things
that
fall
under
that
umbrella,
you
have
this
council
strategic
plan
which
took
initiatives
and
priorities
out
of
plan
DSM
and
said.
Okay.
R
The
invest
neighborhood
or
the
invest
is
M,
which
is
the
neighborhood
plan,
lived,
DSM
and
then
also
in
this
is
coordinating
our
CIP,
a
capital
improvement
project
budget
and
making
sure
that
is
aligning
with
the
goals
of
the
principles
that
are
carried
in
the
comp
plan
and
for
a
lot
of
years.
The
comp
plan
addressed
a
lot
of
community
character,
but
there
really
wasn't
a
very
strong
link
to
transportation
in
that
2020
plan
as
strong.
It
was
a
the
link
as
we
needed,
and
so
that
was
one
major
improvement
that
was
made
throughout
plan.
R
R
So
these
were
just
general
elements:
they
followed
the
state
planning
principles
and,
in
the
state
code,
again,
not
just
land-use,
not
just
the
design
but
transportation
housing,
all
these
different
issues
in
the
major
directions.
On
that
plan,
where
we
wanted
to
pursue
directed
growth
and
redevelopment,
we
know
that
with
a
limited
budget,
we
can't
grow
every
direction
all
the
time.
Any
time
we
have
to
be
very,
very
strategic
about
our
investment
of
those
resources.
We
need
to
maximize
the
utilization
of
our
existing
infrastructure.
The
best
that
we
can.
R
We
need
to
look
at
areas
where
we
can
make.
You
know
minor
improvements
to
that
infrastructure
to
get
the
biggest
return,
and
then
we
need
to
be
looking
at
things
that
are
supporting
our
transportation
or
transit
network
and
proposing
urban
solutions
for
urban
issues
which
Des
Moines
has.
We
are
very
unique
in
Iowa
there
are
other
metro
areas,
but
there's
only
one
state
capitol
and
it's
sitting
right
in
the
middle
of
our
city
right
in
the
middle
of
our
downtown.
We
have
a
the
most
urban
downtown
core
in
the
state.
R
We
have
the
largest
growing
Metro
in
the
area
and
we
face
different
issues
in
Des
Moines
than
other
cities
in
the
city
and
the
state
face,
and
so
we
have
to
focus
on.
How
can
we
present
urban
solutions
to
urban
issues?
And
then
obviously
I
mentioned
this,
but
the
return
on
investment
for
our
public
infrastructure
is
a
really
key
initiative
out
of
the
plan.
R
Bsm
effort
again
not
saying
you
can't
go
put
infrastructure
in
different
areas,
but
we
need
to
be
evaluating
what
the
return
on
that
investment
is
going
to
be
in
making
sure
we're
trying
to
maximize
that,
because,
if
we're
not
here
long
term
sustainable
as
a
city,
financially
not
gonna
be
available
able
to
provide
the
services
long-term
for
our
citizens
that
are
the
most
vulnerable
and
need
those
services.
So
we
need
to
do
everyday,
our
best
job,
to
make
sure
that
we
are
maximizing
that
return
on
those
limited
taxpayer
dollars.
R
R
Obviously,
conflicting
provisions
I'll,
give
you
an
example
of
one
that
we
had
that
our
staffs
heard
multiple
times.
We
had
very
minimal
design
standards
in
the
code
and
it
just
very
inefficient.
To
give
you
an
example:
you'll
probably
recall,
a
developer
came
here
for
mercy
housing
in
downtown
Des
Moines.
They
wanted
to
add
on
some
apartment
units
up
at
the
Mercy
College
and
when
they
came
in,
they
were
in
a
downtown
overlay
district.
R
R
If
it's
on
a
transit
corridor
and
it's
supporting
our
transit
goals,
it's
a
buy-rite
review
administrative
review
by
staff.
Now,
as
far
as
the
conflicts
and
setbacks,
those
have
been
eliminated
in
this
code,
there's
there's
no
longer
the
overlay
districts
that
are
conflicting
with
the
underlying
zoning,
so
we've
eliminated
the
need
to
seek
a
relief
from
the
board
or
the
Planning
Commission
to
a
setback
requirement
in
this
code
for
that
project
and
then
I
think.
R
Most
importantly,
the
code
is
just
easier
to
use
and
read
and
find
information
in,
and
we
think
it
will
help
spur
development
in
this
city,
so
we're
very,
very
excited.
Just
prior
to
the
start
of
the
whole
project.
We
had
some
stakeholder
meetings,
I
listed
where
those
different
stakeholder
meetings
were
it
resulted
in
a
project.
Direction
report
and
part
of
that
report
is
what
you
see
in
the
structure
this
code
today
about
separating
out
design
from
land,
use,
zoning
or
use
of
a
property
and
and
distinctly
separating
those
into
two
separate
chapters
of
the
code.
R
R
Now,
in
our
new
code,
we
have
moved
things
that
were
typically
bulk
regulations
into
a
design
chapter
that
has
purview
of
staff
and
the
plan
and
Zoning
Commission,
and
so
it
wasn't
just
the
NPC
district.
We
did
follow
that
up
with
multiple
other
districts,
but
we
have
a
20
year
history
in
Des
Moines
of
moving
towards
this
direction
of
this
new
code.
So
it's
very
incremental
it's
taken
time,
but
we
finally
are
there
and
we,
as
of
Sunday,
we
have
a
code,
that's
effective,
so
it's
pretty
pretty
amazing.
R
Just
a
quick
overview
of
the
structure
of
the
two
chapters.
So
you'll
see
that
under
zoning
chapter
134
now
you
pretty
much
have
districts,
so
you
still
have
a
stoning
map
that
has
districts
defined
on
it
and
those
districts
are
losing
each
other.
There
are
these
tables
in
this
chapter
or
in
this
code,
chapter
144.
R
Is
that
they're
now
in
tables,
rather
than
lists
in
the
districts
and
I,
think
it's
much
easier
to
find
a
use
and
what
district
is
allowed
in
and
compare
across
districts?
In
this
new
code?
Wireless
telecommunications
are
still
in
the
zoning
code
chapter,
so
we've
been
preempted
you're
well
aware:
we've
been
preempted
by
state
and
federal
law
and
a
lot
of
the
telecommunications
regulations
in
the
last
five
years.
I
think
the
states
amended
theirs
twice
and
at
least
twice
and
I
know
that
the
feds
have
just
there's
place
at
least
so.
R
Signs
are
still
in
the
zoning
code
chapter.
We
felt
that
the
Board
of
Adjustment
probably
had
the
most
expertise
in
dealing
with
sine
issues.
You're,
obviously
very
aware
that
we
can't
regulate
content
and
you
have
you
have
to
focus
on
the
types
of
sine
it
is.
You
can't
define
a
sine
by
what
what
it
says,
so
we
have
we
used
to
have
neighborhood
signs
in
our
code.
R
Well,
the
only
way
you
knew
it
was
a
neighborhood
sign
if
it
said
the
neighborhood
on
the
sign
which
was
reading
content,
so
favorite
sign
isn't
listed
in
this
code
anymore.
We've
we've
dropped
out.
All
of
those
conflicting
kind
of
content-based
regulations
that
were
in
our
old
code
have
been
eliminated
in
this
and
we're
regulating
by
sign
type.
R
It
was
broken
up
my
district
at
different
sign
regulations
for
each
district,
and
if,
if
somebody
asked
me
how
our
permit
development
staff
found
the
same
section
of
the
code
twice
in
one
day,
when
the
question
came
up,
I
don't
know
how
they
did
it,
because,
literally
you
would
get
done
to
answer
a
question
you'd
be
like
now.
How
did
I
get
to
that
point
in
the
code?
Where
did
I
find
that
it
was
just
very,
very
non
user-friendly
at
the
time
there
are
review
approval
procedures
spelled
out
in
there.
R
Some
of
those
include
non-conforming
uses
which
you'll
you'll
still
have
review
over
and
also
conditional
use
reviews
in
this
code.
So,
under
the
new
code
we
do
have
regulations
for
short-term
rentals,
for
example.
So
everybody
refers
to
Airbnb,
that's
a
platform
of
short-term
revenues.
There
are
other
platforms
that
are
out
there.
Airbnb
gets
thrown
out
there
because
that's
one
many
popular
platforms
but
short
term
rental
regulations
are
in
the
zoning
chapter
of
the
code.
So
in
the
past
we've
not
allowed
tort
term
rentals.
We
know
they
exist.
We
are
going
to
be
seeing.
R
R
H
R
The
criteria
is
specific
to
a
short
term
on
a
rental.
Now,
shortly
after
the
start
of
the
year,
January
6
we
are
going
to
be
having
a
public
meeting
about
some
amendments
to
the
short
term.
Rental
rate,
patience
and
councilÃs
has
directed
us
to
prepare
some
revisions
that
are
a
little
bit
more
flexible
on
not
requiring
the
owner
occupancy
of
a
short-term
rental
and
reducing
some
of
the
limits
on
the
number
of
days
a
year.
It
can
be
rented
out,
so
we
are
going
to
be
presenting
those.
R
So
we
already
have
regulations
in
the
code
and
we're
going
to
be
very
shortly
amending
those.
So
ideally
we'd
rather
have
those
amendments
done
before
we
have
a
bunch
of
applications
considered,
but
we'll
have
to
handle
them
as
they
come
in,
but
Sue's
working
on
that
January
6
is
going
to
be
the
public
information
meeting
on
those
amendments,
and
then
we
will
process
those
through
the
plan
and
Zoning
Commission
in
the
City
Council,
so
that
they
can
be
amended
into
the
code.
That
became
effective.
This
past
Sunday
and
was
amended
on
Monday
night.
B
Just
real
quick
and
not
to
get
into
the
weeds
on
detail
and
slow
you
down,
but
for
those
quote,
Airbnb
Zoar
VRBO
s.
Do
you
predict
that
you
know
like
hopefully
like
anything
else,
a
new
business
will
come
ask
then
that
would
come
to
us
for
conditioner
use
permit,
but
what
about
pre-existing
ones?
Well,.
R
Without
a
conditional
use,
permit
they've
been
illegal
under
the
codes,
and
they
would
they
would
for
their
their
best
interest.
They'd
want
to
come
in
and
grab
that
conditional
use,
permit
append,
and
then
the
other
part
of
that
is.
Is
that
the
reason
we
made
it
a
conditional
use
permit
is
that
just
like
with
the
liquor
licenses,
which
are
still
in
the
taverns.
R
N
R
To
the
Board
of
Adjustment
and
the
board
could
revoke
their
conditional
use,
permit
and
they'd
have
to
cease
operating
the
the
short-term
rental.
So
you
know
we
had.
There
was
a
balancing
and
concerns
in
the
public
right.
There
sure
people
wanted
to
be
recognized.
This
is
happening
and
it's
probably
riding
a
needed
amenity
in
the
community,
but
there's
also
the
concern
about
impacts
on
neighborhoods
and
and
that
these
Kanab,
so
with
the
transient
type
population,
using
that
it's
basically
a
hotel
in
a
residential
neighborhood.
R
On
chapter
135,
which
is
now
design
thinking,
this
is
planning
zoning
Commission's
bailiwick.
Now
under
this
code,
okay,
so
we
have
building
times
those
building
types
are
kind
of
the
form
of
the
building,
so
a
use
is
still
regulated
under
zoning,
but
that
use
has
to
be
in
a
building
type.
Under
this
new
code
and
there's
building
types
per
district,
not
every
building
type
is
allowed
in
every
district,
but
they
can
easily
find
out
what's
allowed
by
looking
at
the
code,
we
have
regulations.
R
Parking
has
been
moved
into
that
just
so.
You
know
a
lot
of
things
that
used
to
come
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment
and
now
the
purview
of
staff,
not
even
the
plan
and
zoning
Commission's.
So
when
people
used
to
have
to
come
to
you
and
ask
for
relief
to
a
drive,
aisle
width
or
a
parking
stall
dimension
or
a
number
of
spaces,
those
in
this
new
code
have
been
delegated
to
the
staff
to
regulate
in
consultation
with
our
engineering
staff,
City,
Engineer
and
traffic
engineer
kind,
and
you
know
for
the
reality
of
it.
R
B
B
R
The
most
part
we've
tried
to
keep
this
the
the
intent
of
that
project.
Direction
report
was
to
try
and
get
as
much
stuff
as
we
could
into
administrative
review.
So
we
could
speed
things
up
and
I
have
predictable
development,
have
high
quality
development,
but
also
have
an
efficient,
quick
process
to
get
things
moving.
So
hey.
J
J
Think
it's
a
you've
got
some
really
talented
people,
not
that
we
don't
want
to
hear
those
cases,
but
I
think
we
make
it
extremely
cumbersome
on
the
community
in
some
instances
when
everybody
goes
yeah
that
doesn't
make
sense,
but
that's
what
it
is.
So
how
are
you
gonna
address
that
with
staff,
so
they're
comfortable
I,
don't
feel
like
we're
gonna
get
their
hands
slapped
if
and
they're,
not
showing
favoritism
right.
R
Under
this
new
code,
staff
can
very
say
a
setback
requirement
by
up
to
30%
administrative
Lee.
So
we
used
to
have
an
administrative
exception
that
was
like
15
percent
of
a
very
of
a
setback
requirement
that
nobody
ever
pursued.
They
had
to
go,
get
everybody's
signature
around
them
to
get
it
approved
administrative
Lee
and
that
often
took
time
took
them
longer
to
do
than
to
just
go
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment.
So
the
default
was
a
30-day
process
with
the
board.
R
R
I
can
see
amendments
being
presented
because
there'll
be
a
case
or
somebody
wasn't
happy
about
a
setback
being
granted
or
whatever,
but
the
appeal
authority
of
those
those
decisions
is
the
applicant
has
the
right
to
appeal
a
decision
on
those,
but
under
this
code,
just
like,
we
have
any
number
of
administrative
decisions
that
are
granted
today.
The
process
is,
if
somebody's
aggrieved,
by
that
they
have
to
file
in
district
court,
a
an
injunctive
relief,
a
request
for
injunctive
relief.
Does
he
set?
R
So
the
idea
is
that
the
rules
were
laid
out
that
they're
very
spelled
out
in
the
code.
The
amount
of
relief
is
very
spelled
out
in
the
code
as
long
we
stay
within
those
rails.
We
should
be
able
to
move
projects
through
and
there
should
be
predictable
development
for
neighbors
and
developers
and
certainly
predictable
processes.
R
R
B
B
N
R
Now
short
of
writing
a
new
code
now
I
recognize
every
city
in
the
state
cannot
write
a
new
code
like
we
just
did
right.
That
would
be
well
the
first
provisions
that
I
would
recommend
every
city
in
the
state
adopt
because
if
they
are
considering
variances
for
under
the
code,
I
don't
know
how
you
meet
that
hardship
requirement.
Yeah.
R
G
R
G
R
G
R
R
H
R
So
again
we
stopped
a
zoning
map.
It's
a
new
map.
Prettier
colors
colors
generally
match
up
with
our
land
use
map
and
the
code,
but
you
know
I
think
the
key
things
that
we
tried
to
do
is
you
recall.
In
the
land-use
map
we
have
the
500-year
floodplain
shown
as
a
boundary
on
our
map
to
provide
greater
communication
of
flood
hazards
to
the
public.
The
zoning
map
only
regulates
the
hundred
year
flood
plain,
so
it's
it's
narrower
in
some
areas.
Then
then
the
500
year,
flood
plain
is,
but
the
map
still
has
residential
districts.
R
It
still
is
commercial
districts,
industrial
districts,
employment
districts
on
that
and
I.
Think
that
probably
the
biggest
key
difference
in
this
in
this
mapping
is
previously
the
only
and
with
this
code
previously,
the
only
differentiating
characteristic
of
our
past
zoning
code
between
residential
districts
was
how
wide
the
lot
was
in
the
the
difference
about
this
code
is:
is
that
one
you
drive
up
and
down
the
street?
You
don't
know
any
have
any
idea
where
the
lot
line
begins
and
the
lot
line
ends
when.
R
Zoning
districts
are
more
based
on
architectural
character
and
era
than
they
are
locked
with.
Okay,
yep
right,
so
you
still
start
with
the
zoning
map
when
you're
how
to
use
the
code,
do
not
read
it
from
front
to
back.
It
will
not
make
any
sense.
We
have
a
ten
step
guide.
What
we've
provided
you?
It
is
the
easiest
way
to
use
this
code.
R
One
thing
that
one
positive
we
did
here
throughout
the
entire
hearing
process
was
that
people
said
you
know
the
code
is
easier
to
use,
I
mean
they
may
not
have
greed
with
every
regulation
that
was
in
it,
but
the
people
that
had
actually
had
taken
the
time
to
read
through
it
and
follow
the
ten
step
guide
found
it
very
easy
to
find
information,
and
they
repeated
that
to
us
at
the
public
hearings,
so
I
feel
like
we
did
accomplish
something
very,
very
significant
there.
So
you
start
with
a
zoning
map.
R
You
look
at
the
map,
you
find
your
property,
you
know
it's
a
large
map,
so
we
have
two
ways
of
doing
that.
You
can
either
click
on
the
zoning
map
and
zoom
in
until
you
find
your
parcel,
if
you're
good
enough
reading
them
off
and
finding
your
location
on
the
map,
the
other
option
is
we
had
an
app
on
the
plan.
Dsm
webpage,
where
you
could
search
by
address,
that's
been
replaced
by
the
find
my
house
app
that
everybody
is
familiar
with,
so
somebody
just
wants
to
know
what
their
zoning
is.
R
They
use
the
find
my
house
app.
That's
on
plan
DSM
webpage
or
the
city
website
typed
in
by
address,
and
it
brings
up
the
zoning
on
the
property
and
then
the
actual
zoning
map
is
on
there
as
well
so
different
ways
of
searching.
So
you
find
out.
Yours
only
know
what
district
you're
in
to
is.
You
know
what
are
those
districts
so,
under
the
new
code
in
the
chapter
134,
we
still
have
zoning
districts
listed.
Anything
with
an
X
is
a
mixed
use,
denoting
a
mixed
use
component
of
the
zoning
district.
R
So
downtown
has
three
districts:
DX
one
is
the
most
intense,
so
think,
high-rise,
D,
X
R
is
more
of
a
residential
character
being
on
the
periphery.
We
have
the
mixed
districts:
MX
1,
MX,
2,
MX
3;
those
are
mostly
corridor
or
node
zoning
districts.
So,
for
example,
a
large
part
of
Ingersoll's
MX
to
Southeast
14th
would
be
MX
3
for
comparison.
Mx1
would
be
more
like
beaver
and
Urbandale
avenue,
for
example,
more
of
a
neighborhood
commercial
character.
R
The
rx1r
x2
+
exa
zoning
districts
are
intended
to
be
buffer
districts
that
are
on
the
kind
of,
if
you
think,
of,
if
you're
familiar
with
our
comp
plan,
we
have
those
nodes,
there's
neighborhood
nodes,
community
nodes
and
regional
nodes
shown
on
the
map.
Those
are
like.
Where
there's
you
know.
A
grocery
store,
for
example,
would
predominate
e
node.
That
would
probably
be
an
mx2
Zoning
around
there
as
you
transition
into
the
residential
single-family
neighborhoods
around
there
around
those
mx2
districts,
for
example,
you
would
find
our
x2,
so
our
x2
goes
with
mx2.
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Our
x1
generally
goes
with
em
x1
and
it's
supposed
to
be
a
transition
in
intensity
from
those
nodes
into
the
residential
neighborhoods.
So
it
does
expand
some
of
the
development
potential
beyond
the
nodes,
but
transitioning
back
in
the
image.
So
this
is
kind
of
where
you'll
see
a
lot
of
the
new
opportunities
for
missing
middle
housing
to
go
in
would
be
into
those
rx1r
x,
2
zoning
districts
in
this
code
a
little
bit
less
intensity.
R
Then
you
have
an
A
in
a
high
density,
multi-family
residential
on
a
node,
but
certainly
more
density
than
just
single-family
detached
residential
and
the
idea
that
is
were
supporting
transit
by
having
that
increased
density
and
also
housing.
Affordability,
by
increasing
some
density
and
increasing
some
missing
mental
housing
and.
R
So
an
activity
center
I
mean
a
concentration
of
commercial
is,
is
a
node,
so
downtown
is
our
largest
node
in
the
entire
metro.
It's
it's!
It's
just
on
a
totally
different
scale,
right,
there's,
no
or
anywhere
else
in
the
metro
that
has
a
downtown
with
as
dense
of
high-rise
development,
as
we
have
in
our
downtown.
R
A
R
Is
a
key
as
a
regional
node
and
so
is
Southridge
mall
area
right,
Southeast
14th.
Those
are
regional
nodes
that
are,
you
know
competing
with
other
regional
nodes
like
Jordan,
Creek,
Town,
Center
other
areas.
Community
nodes
are
basically
a
grocery
store,
it's
kind
of
the
primary
defining
characteristic
of
a
community
node
and
then
the
neighborhood
nodes
are
more
like
Beaverdale
heart
of
Beaverdale
revenue
and
Urbandale
Avenue,
then
neighborhood
level,
commercial,
restaurant,
a
bookstore
hardware,
store
that
level
of
retail
or
Highland
Park
is
a
neighborhood
node
on
this
map.
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay.
R
So
the
zoning
map
implemented
the
vision
of
plan
DSM,
and
these
are
districts.
We
have
two
eye
districts
which
are
industrial
districts
in
your
code.
Then
you
get
into
the
residential
single-family
zoning
districts
and
these
are
all
denoted
by
an
N
and
then
there's
a
1
2
3
4
5
and
some
subsets
of
those
districts
and
again
the
districts
you'll
see,
are
really
defined
by
architectural
character.
Rather
than
lot
width
and
so
you'll
see
like,
for
example,
into
district.
Is
a
contemporary
zoning
district
that'd?
R
Be
your
typical,
suburban
subdivision,
more
on
the
periphery
of
des
moines
versus
you
know
the
n3
c,
which
is
post-war
Kyle
architecture,
so
key
differences
there
and
then
again
you
have
those
mixed-use
districts
like
an
X,
1
and
X
2
that
can
be
along
corridors.
That's
also
where
we're
trying
to
encourage
that
missing
middle
housing
and
densification
door.
Her.
We
still
have
an
Ag
district
we
have
to
when,
when
land
gets
annex
into
the
city
it
automatically
comes
in
as
an
agricultural,
so
we
have
an
egg's
owning
district.
R
D
R
They
can
get
a
a
map
amendment
approved
either
through
FEMA.
Then
we
can
rezone
the
property
to
another.
Another
district
for
use
or
the
council
can
decide
whether
or
not
they
want
to
rezone
it
anyway,
but
rather
than
granting
individual
decisions
on
on
properties,
the
council
really
felt
like
they
wanted
to
have
that
that
person
purview
on
on
the
use
occurring
in
the
floodplain,
because
they
were
very
very
concerned
about.
Obviously,
with
the
number
of
flood
vents,
we've
had
impacted
properties.
R
R
R
Aqua
park,
you
know,
say
in
four
and
five
beaver
deals,
I
think
in
four
and
three
on
this
map.
So
if
you
think
about
it
in
terms
of
probably
in
one
being
the
least
intense
in
five
being
the
most
intense
or
dense,
that's
probably
a
good
way
of
looking
at
two
so
that
that
probably
does
reflect
lot
size.
You
know
density
a
little
bit
in
that,
but
not.
B
B
B
R
Planned
Unit
development,
City
of
Des
Moines
yeah,
anything
that
was
zone
Planned,
Unit
development
stayed
Planned,
Unit
development
on
this
map
and
can
I
build
out
according
to
the
approved
Planned
Unit
development.
The
change
that's
been
made
is
that
any
revision
to
those
plans
has
to
go
through
Planning
Commission,
the
cottage
there's.
No
administrative
amendments.
B
R
Schools
are
typically
zoned,
we're
previously
typically
zoned,
whatever
the
surrounding
residential
area
was
and
how
many
sign
permits
have
you
guys
reviewed
for
signs
in
front
of
schools
that
have
to
get
some
sort
of
balance
because
it's
not
allowed
in
a
residential
zoning
district.
We
know,
schools
and
churches
are
different
characteristic
than
the
single-family
house,
and
so
what
this
did
was
create
a
separate
zoning
district
for
those
under
the
new
code.
They
wouldn't
be
getting
a
variance
because
the
sign
is
allowed
those
reader
board
signs
or
be
like.
R
R
So
you
know
your
district
from
the
map,
then
you
read
the
districts
to
understand
what
it
is.
All
the
uses
are
in
a
table
now
so
table
the
uses.
Go
down
the
left
hand,
side
districts
go
across
the
top.
You
can
quickly
see
whether
use
is
allowed
in
a
zoning
district.
If
it's
not
what
zoning
district
is
needed,
the
number
of
times
we
get
questions
on
on
that.
It's
like
well
what
zoning
do
I
need.
You
know
you're
flipping
back.
R
R
Once
you
know
what
your
use
is
allowed,
then
you
have
to
go
again
into
the
design
chapter,
which
would
be
a
planning,
Zoning,
Commission
staff
purview
to
find
out
what
building
type
is
required
and
again,
in
this
thing
the
building
types
go
down
the
left-hand
column,
the
districts
go
across
the
top,
not
every
building
type
is
allowed
in
every
district.
There's
different
design
requirements
for
different
building
types
based
on
the
district.
R
So
then
each
building
building
type
has
a
spread
in
the
in
the
code
in
chapter
135,
planning
and
design
chapter,
it's
generally
a
four-page
spread.
Some
of
the
residential
districts
now
have
six
pages,
because
we've
wrote
in
some
separate
regulations
on
square
footages
and
on
basements
and
and
things
like
that
that
were
discussed
extensively
in
the
last
six
months,
but
in
general
the
same
information
is
available
in
the
same
location
for
each
building
type,
so
it
always
starts
with
a
front
page
that
has
photo
examples
of
that.
R
Building
type
in
I
would
say
90%
of
the
examples,
and
these
are
local,
Des,
Moines
examples.
If
it,
you
know
there
are
a
few
in
there.
There
are
other
other
jurisdictions,
but
for
most
part
those
photo
examples,
character
examples
are
Des
Moines
and
when
projects
exist
unit
we're
going
to
replicate
pages,
2,
&
3
or
where
you
see
things
that
used
to
be.
If
you
looked
at
those
tables,
you
know
that
looks
like
what
probably
used
to
be
kind
of
a
bulk
standard
setbacks.
R
A
M
R
R
After
you
get
the
building
type
and
I
know
the
site
itself,
where
the
building
fits
on
it,
you
get
into
the
design
requirements.
This
is
where
building
materials
get
into
play
in
the
code
and
again
all
of
this
chapter
and
the
design
requirements
is
eligible
for
administrative
review
by
staff.
So
we
can
very
building
materials.
We
can
grant
variations
and
things
like
that
administrative
Lee.
Obviously
we
can't
think
of
every
building
material.
That's
ever
going
to
be
presented
under
this
code
we
have
new
things,
they're
presented
all
the
time.
R
The
main
intent
is
durable,
high
quality
installation.
Those
are
the
key
things
of
this
code,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
it
has
a
long
warranty
on
it
and
then
it's
installed
properly.
So
we
had
a
little
bit
of
debate
about
metal.
What
is
metal?
Well,
we
say
standing
seam
metal
because
it's
a
it's
a
concealed
fastener
on
it.
It's
a
covered
fastener.
We
had
some
requests.
Well,
what
about
a
metal
roof?
R
You
put
on
a
shed
can't
we
just
allow
that
it's
like
well,
it
has
exposed
fasteners
if
I
guess,
if
they
can
demonstrate
that
it's
durable
and
then
it's
not
going
to
leak.
You
know
we
have
the
ability
in
this
coating
to
allow
it,
but
we
are
trying
to
set
also
a
stand-in
for
a
little
bit
higher
quality
in
in
materials
as
well
so
durability
and
quality
insulation,
parking
regulations
etc.
Now,
in
the
design
chapter.
R
A
consultant
CEM
advises
that
roughly
this
is
the
parking
regulations
probably
represent
across
the
board,
about
a
30%
reduction
in
required
parking
citywide.
So
from
our
comp
plan
we
want
to
address
environmental
sustainability,
reducing
runoff
and
one
quickest
ways
you
can
do.
That
is
to
not
be
requiring
more
parking
than
is
needed.
I
would
argue,
our
code
probably
doesn't
cause
more
parking
to
be
built
than
is
needed
right
even.
R
Standards
have
had
a
bigger
impact
on
how
many
parking
spaces
commercial
businesses
are
providing
I.
They
regularly
are
more
than
what
our
code
requires.
So
we
did
have
a
discussion.
Should
we
be
sending
parking
maksim
others
in
this
code
we
did
not
get
that
far
with
it.
Yeah
I
guess
you
kind
of
have
to
when
you're
trying
to
do
a
whole
new
code,
maybe
do
what
we
can
now
and
we'll
come
back.
A
A
R
That,
probably
in
the
next
step
that
we
might
want
to
look
at
is
parking
maximums.
You
know
in
a
future
revision
in
the
code,
but
we're
only
two
days
into
this
one's.
Oh,
don't
ask
but
30%
reduction
kind
of
citywide
not
ever
use,
not
every
parking
ratio,
but
just
general
probably
takes
our
whole
city
to
more
of
an
npc
like
zoning
standard
for
parking
than
where
we
were
so
not
quite
an
npc
allowed
a
40
percent
reduction
in
required
parking.
This
referee,
it
represents
roughly
a
30
percent
reduction
so
move
to
move
that
way.
R
It
also
includes
bike
parking
for
the
first
time
in
our
code,
so
bike
parking
is
required.
Outdoor
bike
parking
provisions
that
required
indoor
bike
parking,
long-term
parking
for
a
multi-family
residential
were
stricken
from
the
code
during
the
public
hearing
process.
I
would
guess
we'll
probably
be
revisiting
that
in
the
near
future,
it
was
at
this
point
left
up
to
kind
of
market
decision
on
whether
to
provide
that
some
of
the
solutions
that
were
provided.
You
know
it
requires
additional
interior
space
to
be
built.
So
then
the
question
was
well
instead
of
doing
that.
R
Why
don't
we
just
let
him
use
the
stairwell
in
the
emergency
stairwells
to
store
bikes
in
and
the
fire
Department
was
like
absolutely
not,
cannot
be
storing
anything
in
those
stairways.
So
for
the
time
being,
we
had
to
take
it
out
of
code
and
and
we'll
see
if
we
revisit
that
in
near
future
to
landscape.
So
we've
only
had
landscape
standards
in
the
City
of
Des
Moines
since
2004,
and
so
this
code
is
a
substantial
increase
in
landscaping
from
our
current
standards
again
to
address
our
sustainability
components
of
the
comp
plan.
R
This
is
encouraging
more
Green
on
sites
green
in
parking
lots
turbine
tree
canopy.
If
we
can
treat
every
drop
of
water
that
falls
on
a
property
at
the
site
instead
of
having
it
run
off
it's
better
for
the
river,
it's
better
for
the
better
for
our
storm
system,
everything.
So
this
code
is
trying
to
increase
the
amount
and
density
of
landscaping
in
new
projects
across
the
city
and
over
time.
I
think
you'll
see
you
know
when
we've
only
had
landscape
standards
for
roughly
15
years,
I
think
you're
starting
to
see
non
commercial
sites.
R
Site
plan,
if
it
requires
a
new
site
plan,
there
would
they'd
have
to
comply
with
the
news.
The
new
landscape
standards
on
these
and
again
those
those
lavance
keep
standards,
have
that
provision
that
it's
entirely
that's
once
things
that's
negotiable.
With
staff
they're
coming
in
with
their
plan,
we
didn't
think
we
needed
to
be
coming
in
and
counting
trees
with
the
Planning
Commission.
You
know
on
a
site
plan
basis.
R
Science
again
it
was
all
narrative
in
the
previous
code.
Now
it's
table
format.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
how
many
pages
the
old
sign
code
was,
and
if
you,
if
you
cut
and
paste
all
the
different
sections
from
the
individual
districts,
and
then
everything
else
is
probably
20,
20
plus
pages
I.
Think
our
new
sign
code
is
like
that
one
we
cut
it
in
half
at
least
and
I.
Think
it's
much
easier
to
read.
R
We'd
already
done
some
heavy
lifting
on
the
sign
regulations
prior
to
the
the
effort
to
write
the
new
code
when
we
adopted
the
monument
sign
regulations,
those
carried
four
into
this
code,
but
those
provisions
about
the
base
height
and
all
of
that
are
things
that
are
eligible
for
administrative
decision
making
under
this
new
code
as
well.
So
you
won't
be
having
to
deal
with
at
least
the
base
of
the
that's.
J
A
R
A
R
Telling
you
where
to
go!
Well,
how
do
you
know
it's
tell
you
where
to
go,
because
you
have
to
read
it
so
it's
more
like
either
a
pile-on
sign
or
a
monument
sign
already
driveway
sign
it's
more
location-based
rather
than
content-based.
That's
code
and
I
think
that
we've
we've
tried
to
recognize
concerns.
You've
had
at
your
meetings
in
this
code
and
tried
to
give
greater
flexibility
under
the
new
code
and
how
to
do
that.
So
I
think.
A
L
Sign
vendors,
sometimes
I
think
do
people
even
ever.
Look
at
the
code
in
right,
I
mean
it's
I,
don't
know
that
it's
the
city's
responsibility
to
reach
out
to
every
sign
vendor,
but
that's
just
one
example.
So
how
do
you
get
the
sign
vendors
to
understand
the
code
or
know
that
there
is
a
code?
It's
kind
of
like
sense
require
dense
permits,
a
lot
of
people,
don't
even
know
they
need
to
get
a
permit
for
a
fence.
We.
N
A
N
B
A
B
L
L
N
G
R
R
Probably
a
third
of
what
some
of
these
signs
are
that
have
gone
on
it
now,
based
on
the
LED
technology,
I,
don't
know
other
than
dimmer
switches
on
every
sign.
I,
don't
know
if
they're
gonna
be
able
to
fully
comply
with
that
standard,
so
I
I'm
just
telling
you
right
now,
at
least
initially
you're,
probably
going
to
see
some
requests
come
in
for
relief
to
that
lighting
standard.
We
may
end
up
having
to
revisit
that
section,
but
again,
when
you're
trying
to
do
a
comprehensive,
really
like
zoning.
A
R
The
whole
thing
right
to
get
everything
perfect
day,
one
it's
not
going
to
happen
or
old
code
wasn't
perfect
after
55
years.
You
know
the
new
code
isn't
perfect
after
two
days,
so
we're
gonna
have
to
continue
to
evolve
in
this
and
work
together
and
be
reasonable
and
trying
to
find
solutions
on
this,
but
just
moving
it
from
1965
to
2019
is
like
night
and
day
difference
in
a.
R
There
are
still
exceptions
and
variances
available
under
the
zoning
chapter
and
there
are
still
use
variances
available
under
there
there's
a
new
chapter
so
very
quickly.
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
affordable
housing
last
six
months
and
what
this
code
is
doing.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
some
key
points
and
I
think
are
how
this
court
this
code
does
support.
Affordable
housing
in
the
community.
A
R
R
The
other
part
of
that
is
to
address
the
affordability.
The
other
part
of
it
is
is
that
this
is
encouraging
walkable
neighborhoods
and
over
time
we
can
be
a
healthier
neighborhood
and
a
healthier
city
that
can
also
potentially
be
lowering
household
costs
for
health
if
we're
living
a
healthier
lifestyle
and
encouraging
walking
and
active
lifestyles.
So
those
are
all
things
were
called
for.
The
compliment,
then,
are
I
think
supported
by
the
code.
R
We
have
predictable
standards
and
quality
standards
for
developers,
and
we've
made
multi-family
household
residential
development
review
by
right
instead
of
having
to
go
through
Planning
Commission.
So
again
reducing
time,
reintroducing
missing
middle
housing
under
old
code
we
prohibited
duplexes
from
being
built
in
any
single-family
residential
zoning
district
since
1996.
So.
R
Went
23
years
without
having
a
new
duplex
built
in
any
single
family,
detached
neighborhood
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines,
and
that
was
because
some
really
bad
ones
got
built
before
1996
that
everybody
pointed
to
and
all
so
the
result
was
well,
they
don't
let
anymore
get
built
and
what
that
has
ultimately
done.
I'm
telling
you
right
now
it's
coming
out
of
the
Home
Builders
Association
literature.
Today
they
cannot
build
single-family
detached
housing
at
a
market
rate,
affordable
price.
It's.
M
A
R
To
allow
different
product
types
to
be
built
in
neighborhoods
to
meet
that
affordability
goal
in
this
city,
and
so
that's
going
to
be
introduction
that
missing
middle
housing
in
the
neighborhoods,
so
that
that's
what
this
code
does,
it
does
reduce
receiving
accessory
dwelling
units
are
allowed
in
this
code
in
any
district
that
has
a
on
a
resident,
single-family
residential
district.
That
has
a
extension
on
the
zoning
and
then
in
a
lot
of
those
X
districts
and
mixed-use
districts.
R
R
A
G
A
B
A
I
A
R
Lot
of
row
houses
other
than
downtown,
but
we
have
started
to
see
some
in
some
of
our
neighborhoods.
If
you
go
up
to
Merle
hay
road,
just
north
of
Franklin
mm-hmm
we're
the
video
store
just
north,
that
former
video
store,
yeah,
there's
now
I
think
five,
four
or
five
real
house
units
have
been
built
there
great
fit
the
name
names
on
the
bottom
cool.
A
R
Our
spirit
committee,
again
melons
on
there
did
a
great
job
very
progressive
thinking.
We
knew
that
we
needed
a
broader
representation
to
guide
all
of
this
from
from
the
comp
plan.
To
this,
then,
then,
maybe
existed
on
just
one
board
or
Commission
in
the
city,
so
we
had
each
of
the
boards
and
commissions
represented,
but
we
also
involved
the
school
district,
the
MPO,
the
Transit
Authority.
R
You
know
we
have
nine
school
districts
there
serving
the
City
of
Des,
Moines,
City
Limits.
Obviously
des
moines
Public
Schools
is
the
largest
of
those,
but
we
tried
to
have
a
very
diverse,
very
well
represented
steering
committee.
That
was
that
was
guiding
this.
We
had
affordable
housing
advocates
and.
R
Large
residential
developers,
something
may
be
aboard
so
first
time
in
54
years.
It's
never
easy,
I
guess.
If
it
was
easy,
it
would
have
been
done
before
2019,
but
regardless
it's
done
so
when
I
say
done,
this
phase
is
done.
We've
got
a
new
code
adopted
we're
working
through
it.
No
code
has
ever
done
there
they're
living
documents,
we're
going
to
amend
these
things
as
time
progresses.
Nobody
values
that
will
change
in
this
community
that
will
have
to
change.
R
There's
urban
solutions
to
urban
problems
or
des
moines
again
we're
trying
to
address
sustainability,
not
just
environmental
but
its
fiscal,
environmental
and
social.
With
this
code
and
our
comp
plan-
and
those
are
three
key
initiatives
that
we
we
think
we've
even
come-
was
supportive
and
coordinating
these
efforts
so
that
transportation,
master
plan
and
thing
is
all
about
moving
in
the
same
direction.
Our
processes
are
efficient.
We
have
relief
mechanisms
in
the
code
for
the
standards
we.
R
R
If
somebody
asked
us
to
come
out
me
with
them,
we
went
out
and
talked
with
them
about
this,
and
our
door
was
always
open
for
comments,
and
we
took
those
comments
very
seriously
if
we
believe
this
code
is
promoting
social
equity
in
this
community
again,
if
we're
not
sustainable
as
a
city,
financially,
environmentally
and
socially-
we're
not
going
to
be
here
to
take
care
of
the
most
vulnerable
in
this
community
long-term.
So
I'm
very,
very
proud
that
we've
that
we've
moved
forward
as
a
city
as
we
have
in
the
last
five
years.
R
It
is
a
absolutely
fabulous
time
to
be
working
here
as
a
planner.
It's
I
am
so
excited
for
to
see
the
fruits
of
all
this
labor
that
the
city
and
our
citizens
have
put
into
this,
and
I
cannot
wait
to
see
the
fruits
of
all
of
that
labor
come
to
fruition
and
see
us
just
soar
and
I
really
believe
that
that
time
is
now
so
anyway,
I'm
available.
If
you
have
questions
on
this,
but.
L
I'm
just
curious
about
the
review
process.
You
know
for
enhancement,
suggested
changes,
I
mean
you
could
get
from
the
little
boom.
You
know
you
guys
could
get
pinged
daily
for
things.
So
is
your
process
every
six
months
you
you
know
you
give
us
your
announcement.
Give
us
your
thought.
Every
six
months
XYZ
group
is
gonna
meet
like
is
that
group
that
Mel
was
on?
Are
they
gonna
be
pulled
back
in
to
meet.
D
R
R
Adopted
and
we
started
talking
about
the
code
with
them,
but
for
right
now
we
have
these
short-term
rental
regs
they're
coming
revisions
that
Sue's
gonna
be
processing
in
January
in
March.
The
council
asked
for
us
to
start
looking
at
some
that
missing
middle
housing
and
making
sure
that
the
design
standards
are
matching
up
with
our
tax
abatement
standards.
So
there's
there's
going
to
be
some
revisions
to
the
tax
abatement
policy
and
standards
to
be
more
in
line
with
the
code.
Mm-My.
G
R
So
we're
gonna
be
working
on
that
I.
Think
probably
the
next
round
of
revisions
to
the
code.
Major
minor
revisions
would
be
won't
be
until
the
fall
next
year.
I
really
believe
we
kind
of
have
to
give
us
some
time,
yeah
I
kind
of
figure
out
what
okay
we're
we're
on
target.
Did
we
miss
make
some
adjustments,
but
we
can't
do
that
until
we
see
some
live.
Some
live
implementation
of
it.
R
I
would
guess
that,
after
after,
like
next
fall,
late
fall
early,
winter
will
probably
kind
of
go
to
an
annual
cycle
for
for
revisions
to
the
code.
Councils
asked
for
an
annual
review
of
like
the
relief
that's
being
granted
to
the
code
so
that
we're
gonna
track
the
relief
that
were
granting
so
they're
like
if
there's
something
that
we
are
always
granting
Brian.
D
R
L
This
puts
us
on
a
better
field,
with
competition
with
the
suburbs
and
such
because
you
know,
you
often
hear
Oh
Des
Moines
codes
are
so
hard
and
it's
so
challenging,
and
it
takes
so
much
more
time.
I
mean
this
I'm
sure
that
was
part
of
the
reasoning
behind
this.
Besides
it
needed
to
be
updated,
but
are
we
on
the
same
par
now
with
or
we
better
them?
What
the
suburbs.
R
Are
offering
I
would
say
that
I
don't
know
any
other
jurisdiction
in
the
metro
that
has
a
kind
of
like
ours.
Nor
will
any
other
jurist
I
can
be
able
to
duplicate
our
code,
because
our
code
is
based
on
the
character
of
our
community
and
our
character
is
very
different
from
the
other
characters
and
the
other
communities
right.
We're.
A
R
More
urban
than
our
than
our
sparring
partners,
but
I
do
know
that
West
Des
Moines
is
looking
at
kind
of
no
and
they've,
been
following
what
we've
been
doing
and
so
they're
looking
at
at
some
things,
whether
or
not
they
go
with
a
foam
base.
Coat
I,
don't
know,
but
I
do
think
that
again,
through
this
whole
process,
I
will
tell
you
I
mean,
as
I
said,
we
are.
The
urban
were
the
capital
city
right.
The
number
of
eyes
that
we
had
on
this
project.
R
I
was
blown
away,
I
mean
blown
away,
I
mean
we
went
through
two
local
elections.
In
the
time
we
worked
on
this
code.
We
went
we're
going
through
a
presidential
election
which
we
had
presidential
candidates
weighing
in
on
a
zoning
code
in
Des
Moines
Iowa
in
the
past
year,
which
I
never
expected
going
into
like
the
preparation
of
this
code,
I
mean
I
was
like
wow
I'm
like
we
are.
We
have
20
candidates,
Democratic
candidates
in
the
key
me
in
in
the
city.
R
You
know
State
Fair
and
everything
else
paper
somebody's
quoted
as
saying
something:
zoning
code
I'm
like
holy
mackerel,
Wow.
You
know
we
started
getting
national
articles
in
some
different
papers
and
some
followed
what
was
just
published
locally
and
just
repeated.
It
didn't
get
any
facts.
Others
called
and
asked
for
facts
and
wrote
con.
You
know
competing
articles
about
that,
but
the
amount
of
debate
and
discussion
was
significant
and
I.
Just
you
know,
I
never
expected
that
and
I
can
just
tell
you
the
time
I've
been
here
twenty
years
and.
R
To
start
a
code
twenty
years
ago,
and
just
the
change
in
social
media
and
everything
in
twenty
years,
I've
been
here,
I
mean
I,
couldn't
go
home
from
a
meeting
without
their
already
being
and
have
a
sandwich
without
their
already
being
a
blog
and
a
hundred
comments
about
what
was
discussed
at
the
meeting
before
I
finished
my
sandwich,
it's
just
totally
different
dynamics.
Now
right,
it's
immediately
so,
but
we
also
produced
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
a
document
in
in
house
too,
because
our
technology
is
so
much
better.
So
it's
just
different
time.
Well,.
R
B
R
B
R
R
B
C
R
B
In
in
previously
with
home
occupations
in
bed
and
breakfast
where
they
lived
on,
say
we
aren't
strangers
for
a
number
of
us
to
that.
So
hopefully
this
would
be
just
a
little
bent
on
that.
You
know
what
the
impact
would
be,
the
neighbors
and
sufficient
parking
and
all
those
things.
So
if
it's
reasonable
great
and
if
everybody
is
like
hey,
you
know
we'll
take
that
into
account.
So
we'll
see.
Thank
you
for
your
service.
Yes,.