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From YouTube: 11-20-19 Zoning Board of Adjustment
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Des Moines Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting on Wednesday, Nov. 20, 2019 in Des Moines, Iowa.
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A
Good
afternoon,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
we
want
to
welcome
everyone
to
the
monthly
meeting
of
the
City
of
Des
Moines
Zoning
Board
of
Adjustment.
This
board
has
the
power
under
Iowa
law
and
the
zoning
ordinance
of
the
City
of
Des
Moines
to
hear
requests
for
variances
and
exceptions
from
the
regulations
in
the
zoning
ordinance
to
consider
conditional
use,
permit
requests
and
to
review
appeals
from
the
decision
of
the
staff
in
the
administration
of
the
zoning
ordinance
and
to
then
make
decisions
in
such
matters.
A
The
members
of
this
board
are
citizens
of
the
City
of
Des
Moines
and
have
been
appointed
to
this
board
by
the
City
Council.
The
board
members
are
volunteers
and
received
no
compensation
for
their
public
service.
I'm,
going
to
take
a
moment
here
and
I'll
introduce
our
board
and
staff
members
on
the
audience
is
left
is
Cindy
Smith
next
to
her
as
Marlys
Jones,
I'm
Mel
pins,
the
board
chair
to
my
left
is
Lynn.
Carlsen
joining
us
shortly
will
be
Dave,
Gere
and
I
am
pleased
to
introduce
there.
A
He
is
now
hello,
Dave
and
I'm
pleased
to
introduce
our
newest
member
pointy
to
this
board.
Justin
gross
on
the
audience's
right.
Justin
was
recently
appointed
by
the
City
Council.
He
was
nominated
by
Josh
Mandelbaum
to
serve
as
the
representative
from
Ward,
3
and
Justin
brings
a
great
professional
and
personal
background
of
interest.
He
was
on
the
neighborhood
revitalization
board
for
many
years
and
does
a
lot
of
work
in
community
activism
and
neighborhood
improvement,
so
welcome
Justin.
Thank
you
and
at
the
same
time,
while
we
like
to
welcome
new
faces,
justin
is
replacing
John.
A
Cheedo
John
had
served
as
the
Ward
3
representative
for
the
last
4
plus
years
and
John
was
a
fellow
South
Sider
like
myself,
so
we'll
certainly
miss
John,
but
again
I
want
to
welcome
Justin
as
we
move
forward.
I'll
go
ahead
and
introduce
our
city
staff
in
the
front
row
we
have
Eric
Lundy
city,
planner,
Bert,
drost,
city,
planner,
Sue,
Ann,
Donovan,
zoning
enforcement
officer
and
sitting
to
my
left
is
judy
parks
cruz.
Who
is
our
city's
legal
counsel?
A
Judy
has
helped
sub
here
on
the
board
in
past
hearings,
but
she
will
now
formally
replace
city
attorney
Glenna
Frank
Glenna
served
on
the
board
here
was
assigned
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment
for
seven
years,
almost
I
think
but
she's
doing
some
other
legal
work
for
the
city,
so
we'll
miss
Glenna,
but
again
we're
looking
forward
to
working
with
Judy.
So
thank
you.
Okay!
So
we'll
go
ahead
and
go
over
our
procedure
here
for
today.
For
some
of
you,
this
may
be
the
first
time
you've
been
in
front
of
us.
A
You
may
hope
it's
the
only
time
you'll
be
in
front
of
us,
so
we'll
guide
you
through
the
process
here
today.
So
don't
worry
about
that,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
explain
how
our
process
works.
First
of
all,
while
this
is
an
open
public
meeting,
this
is
a
legal
hearing.
The
session
is
being
recorded,
both
audible
and
video.
In
fact,
we
should
be
broadcasting
live
on
the
city's
cable
channel
or,
if
you
have
insomnia
we're
probably
in
reruns
now
at
1:00
a.m.
the
board.
A
Members
have
received
a
copy
of
this
agenda
and
the
staff
recommendations,
a
copy
of
the
agenda
and
the
staff
recommendation
is
available
just
outside
the
door
here
on
the
trave
right
by
the
front
door.
So
when
I'm,
through
with
my
opening
remarks,
if
you
haven't
grabbed
an
agenda,
feel
free
to
step
up
and
get
a
copy
of
that,
this
board
is
required
to
base
its
decision
in
each
case
upon
the
criteria
established
by
law
for
the
type
of
relief
sought
by
the
applicant,
the
law
applicable.
A
That
each
case
has
been
identified
in
the
written
staff
report.
If
the
facts
as
determined
by
this
board
demonstrates
that
the
criteria
established
by
law
for
granting
the
relief
has
been
satisfied,
then
the
board
must
grant
the
relief.
Otherwise
the
board
must
deny
the
requested
relief.
Each
appeal
will
be
announced
in
the
order,
as
presented
on
the
agenda
city
staff
will
first
give
a
brief
explanation
of
the
appeal.
Any
written
comments
received
by
the
staff
prior
to
the
hearing
will
be
distributed
to
the
board
or
otherwise
identified
during
the
staff
present.
A
The
appellant
or
a
representative
of
the
appellant
will
then
be
allowed
to
speak
first
with
their
testimony.
They
will
be
allowed
to
give
up
to
ten
minutes
to
present
their
appeal
for
their
case.
Anyone
else
present
in
support
of
the
appeal
will
then
be
allowed
up
to
five
minutes
each
to
present
their
comments.
Following
that,
anyone
present
in
opposition
to
the
appeal
will
then
be
allowed
up
to
five
minutes
for
their
comments.
The
applicant
will
be
allowed
up
to
three
minutes
for
a
rebuttal
or
other
closing
comments.
A
All
speakers
are
requested
to
speak
only
from
the
podium
here
at
the
front
left
where
the
microphone
is
and
to
begin
their
presentation
by
first
giving
both
their
name
and
address.
So
if
your
here
is
a
property
owner
or
resident
or
the
appellant
themselves,
give
your
address
if
you're
here
in
a
professional
capacity
as
an
engineer,
architect
or
attorney
you're,
welcome
to
give
your
business
address.
All
speakers
are
requested
to
remain
courteous
and
to
focus
their
comments
only
upon
those
facts
that
demonstrate
whether
or
not
the
criteria
established
by
law
has
been
satisfied.
A
Speakers
are
also
asked
to
ensure
that
they
are
respectful
of
time
considerations
if
necessary.
The
board
chair
will
limit
further
comments
by
a
speaker
if
they
exceed
their
time
limitation.
After
testimony,
the
board
will
then
close.
Any
further
public
comment
on
the
agenda
item
and
the
board
will
immediately
deliberate
the
request
and
we
will
make
a
decision
here
today.
If
your
appeal
is
approved,
we
ask
that
you
wait
until
about
I'd,
say
about
a
week
from
now.
A
If
you
need
to
go
to
the
permit
and
Development
Center
for
any
building
permits,
this
allows
the
decision
of
the
board
to
be
documented
in
the
form
of
a
decision
in
order.
A
copy
of
that
decision
in
order
will
then
be
provided
to
you,
as
well
as
to
the
city's
permit
staff.
Any
appeal
that
is
approved
by
this
board
must
be
implemented,
constructed
or
otherwise,
utilized
within
two
years
of
the
date
of
the
decision
by
this
board,
or
such
approval
shall
expire
within
the
agenda.
A
A
So
if
you
believe
you've
been
harmed
by
an
error
made
by
this
board,
your
only
remedy
is
to
seek
relief
through
the
district
court
within
30
days
of
the
filing
of
the
Board's
decision
and
order.
If
you
believe
the
zoning
regulations
applied
by
this
board
are
wrong,
you
may
petition
the
City
Council
to
change
those
regulations
for
future
considerations.
A
All
material,
written
or
otherwise
used
today,
as
part
of
any
presentation,
will
become
a
permanent
part
of
the
record
and
will
not
be
returned.
So
if
you
want
to
share
any
documents,
photos
drawings
or
illustrations
with
us
you'll
either
have
to
give
those
to
staff
to
keep
or
be
prepared
to
provide
a
suitable
copy
of
that
for
the
record
just
a
couple
of
housekeeping
items,
we
ask
that
you
avoid
any
undue
conversation
in
the
audience
so
as
to
not
be
disruptive
or
distracting
from
the
hearing
and
you're
doing
a
fine
job
of
that.
Thank
you.
A
We
also
asked
to
ensure
that
your
cell
phone
has
been
silenced
again.
No
ringtones
is
good,
thank
you
and
if
you
need
to
use
a
restroom,
just
walk
straight
through
the
door
here,
you
don't
have
to
go
downstairs
just
past
the
staircase
on
the
left,
our
restrooms.
If
needed,
we
will
take
a
break
around
3:00
or
3:30
for
five
minutes.
A
Once
the
agenda
item
you
are
interested
in
has
been
completed,
you
are
welcome
to
leave
the
hearing
or
you
can
stick
around
for
the
next
two
or
three
hours.
If
you
would
like
to
hear
the
rest
of
the
cases,
so
speaking
of
that
we'll
have
Bert
give
us
an
update
on
the
agenda
Bert.
Do
we
have
any
proposed
changes
to
today's
agenda.
B
Chair
members
of
the
board
bird
Ross,
Plano
King,
City
I,
just
have
a
few
small
suggestions.
Item
number
11
is
the
appeal
at
the
corner
of
32nd
in
Forest
Avenue
that
has
been
withdrawn
by
the
applicant,
so
that
appeal
will
not
be
heard
today
and
then
items
14,
15
and
16
staff
has
recommended
approval
of
and
the
applicants
agree
to
our
conditions
so
we're
comfortable
moving
those
to
the
consent
agenda.
B
If
the
board
would
make
a
motion
to
move
those
and
again
that's
item
14,
an
appeal
for
a
conditional
use
for
a
reception
hall
at
100,
Indiana
Avenue,
a
variance
for
a
sign
on
the
East
facade
of
Merle,
hay
mall,
and
then
a
conditional
use
to
allow
sales
of
alcohol
throughout
the
sales
and
consumption
of
the
alcohol
throughout
the
airports.
Concourses,
okay,.
A
So
what
I'll
do
here
for
the
audience's
benefit?
First
is
again
item
11
a
variance
request
at
3121
forest
has
been
withdrawn.
So
if
there
was
anybody
here
to
give
testimony,
we're
not
going
to
be
hearing
that
case
at
all,
they'd
have
to
refile
down
the
line.
So
so
staff
is
proposing
to
add
item
14
to
the
consent
agenda,
for
just
granting
approval
straight
up
that
be
a
conditional
use
permit
at
100,
Indiana
Avenue.
Is
there
anybody
in
the
audience
that
would
be
opposed
to
granting
the
requested
conditional
use
on
Indiana
Avenue?
A
Just
raise
your
hand
if
you
would
be
opposed
to
that?
Okay,
seeing
none
item
15
is
a
variance
request
related
to
Merle
hay
mall.
Is
there
anybody
here
opposed
to
the
variance
as
presented
in
item
15,
just
raise
your
hand,
seeing
none
there's
a
conditional
use
permit
request
again:
that's
at
the
Des
Moines
Airport
related
to
tavern
type
area
and
consumption,
sale
and
consumption
of
alcohol
and
designated
areas.
So
anybody
here
opposed
to
item
16,
okay,
seeing
none
would
there
be
any
questions
or
any
opposition
from
staff
or
from
the
board?
A
If
not,
would
there
be
a
motion
to
move
14,
15
16
to
the
consent
agenda?
Okay,
we
got
a
motion
by
the
Marlys,
a
second
second
by
land.
All
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
say:
aye,
hi,
okay.
So
what
we
do
now
folks
is
I'm
gonna
read
through
these
again.
This
is
a
rare
agenda
when
the
majority
of
things
are
things
that
staff
kind
of
supports
and
we're
kind
of
looking
at
maybe
granting
approvals
for
a
whole
bunch
of
things.
A
So
what
I'm
gonna
do
if
anybody's
opposed
to
granting
the
requested
exceptions
or
or
appeals
here,
just
raise
your
hand
I'm
going
to
read
through
them
quick
item.
One
is
an
exception
request
at
2007,
East
33rd
Street.
Is
there
anybody
here
opposed
to
granting
the
exception
to
item
one
okay,
you're,
not
in
fact
you're,
not
in
favor
of
that
item,
correct.
A
A
B
A
You're,
okay,
then
okay,
cool,
okay,
all
right
and
I
know
this
can
be
kind
of
confusing,
but
yeah
I
think
you
guys
are
on
the
same
page
all
right
item
two:
is
there
anybody
opposed
to
granting
the
exceptions
on
at
11:16,
57th
Street
just
raise
your
hand
seeing
none
item.
Three
is
an
exception
request
at
four
thousand
and
two
Ashby
any
opposition
item.
A
Four
is
an
exception
at
twenty
seven,
twenty
five
Cambridge
Street
and
the
opposition
to
that,
and
if
you
are
the
applicant,
even
if
the
city
is
recommending
approval,
you'd
have
to
comply
with
their
conditions
that
they've
laid
out
item
five.
An
exception
request
at
8:01,
18th
Street
and
the
opposition
going
once
going
twice
item.
Six
is
a
variance
request
at
3900,
South
East,
34th
Street.
Anyone
with
concerns
on
that
one,
okay,
seeing
none
item
7
is
an
amendment
to
a
conditional
use
permit
near
608,
southeast
30th
Street,
any
opposition
there.
A
Okay,
seeing
none
item
eight
is
an
exception
request
at
12:05,
Leyland
Avenue,
and
you
want
to
pose
to
that
one
okay
item:
nine
is
a
conditional
use,
permit
exception,
invariance
at
area
of
2901,
C,
B
and
Q
Street.
Anybody
opposed
to
that
project,
okay,
say
none
and
then
item
ten
would
be
an
exception
request
at
seven.
Twenty
Broad
Street
anybody
here
in
opposition
to
that.
Okay.
So,
basically,
from
the
board's
perspective,
we've
got
items
one
through
ten
on
consent,
we've
added
14,
15
and
16.
C
A
Right,
his
first
motion
all
right
appreciate
your
second
on
that.
Okay,
so
we
got
a
motion
and
a
second
all.
Those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
say:
aye.
Okay,
so
if
you
hear
four
items,
one
through
10,
14,
15
or
16,
you've
been
approved
about
a
week
from
now,
you'll
get
a
copy
of
that
decision
in
order
and
I.
Thank
you
for
coming
down
today,
so
we'll.
Let
things
clear
out
here
for
a
few
seconds
and
then
we'll
start
with
the
remaining
part
of
the
hearing.
E
F
A
B
Number
12
is
a
request
by
come
and
go
to
build
a
new
gas
station
convenience
store
that
would
potentially
sell
alcoholic
liquor
in
addition
to
wine
and
beer
and
would
also
have
eight
fueling
pumps.
The
subject
property
was
recently
rezone
to
npc.
The
map
doesn't
show
that
yet,
but
that
rezoning
was
approved
on
November
fourth
this
month,
so
it
was
reasoned.
B
Npc
NPC
limits
any
gas
station
to
no
more
than
six
fueling
locations,
so
they
need
an
appeal
of
that
limitation
and
then
also
NPC
requires
a
conditional
use
permit
for
any
sale
of
liquor
and
in
order
to
sell
liquor,
they
would
have
to
meet
a
500-foot
separation
distance.
There's
a
property
here
on
the
northeast
northwest
corner
of
the
map.
That
is
a
church
that
contains
both
the
church,
juice
and
daycare
use.
So
they
do
not
meet
the
separation
distance
requirement.
B
I
would
also
point
out
that,
as
a
gas
station,
they're
allowed
to
sell
beer
and
wine
by
right
as
long
as
they
don't
exceed
on
40%
of
the
overall
sales.
From
that
next
I'll
show
you
the
layout
of
the
site,
and
they
have
at
staffs,
Direction,
put
the
building
out
at
the
corner
of
University
and
31st
Street.
So
it's
going
to
have
more
of
an
urban
feel
than
most
gas
stations
that
you
see
around
town.
B
So
there's
a
simple
one:
on
ingersoll
in
front
of
the
FoodSaver
that
has
the
same
layout
where
the
building
is
along
the
front
property
lines,
and
then
the
gas
pumps
are
screened
back
behind
building
again,
as
I
mentioned,
they
would
have
eight
fueling
locations
here.
So
in
order
to
have
this
fourth
one,
they
would
need
the
variance
to
the
separation
again,
it
would
be
a
brand
new
convenience
store
there
at
the
corner.
That
would
sell
the
alcoholic
liquor.
Wine
and
beer
here
are
some
photos
of
the
existing
gas
station.
That's
there
that
would
be
removed.
B
B
C
B
The
test
of
hardship
means
that
they
would
have
to
prove
that
without
the
variances
there's
no
other
economic
use
of
the
property,
so
we
did
have
to
I
guess
recommend
denial,
but
we
did
provide
some
alternative
conditions
in
the
staff
report.
If
the
board
is
inclined
to
grant
the
variances
and
I
won't
read
through
those
but
they're,
just
the
standard
conditions
that
you
would
see.
Staff
recommend
on
other
gas
station
convenience
for
selling
alcoholic
liquor.
B
B
A
Bert
I
might
just
lead
off
with
a
couple
clarification
ones:
the
variance
on
the
conditional
use
for
business
selling,
liquor
wine
and
beer,
since
they
were
already
selling
wine
and
beer.
If
they
wanted
to
continue
to
do
that
in
the
new
store,
would
they
have
needed
to?
They
wouldn't
have
needed
a
variance,
correct.
A
It's
basically
yeah.
We
would
be
selling
alcohol
anyway,
but
hey.
We
just
want
to
add
true
liquor,
which
I
usually
relate
to
that's
whiskey,
vodka,
distilled,
okay,
all
right
and
related
to
the
six
fueling
locations
in
code.
That
doesn't
mean
nozzles
or
pumps.
It
just
means
where
cars
are
located
right.
One,
two,
three,
four
five!
So.
F
D
A
A
A
G
So,
just
to
put
this
in
context,
this
is
a
rendering
of
the
new
building
and
we
actually
started
working
with
the
City
of
Des
Moines,
the
Neighborhood
Association,
the
Drake
neighborhood
association
and
and
Drake
to
redesign
this
building
actually
prior
to
the
new
code
being
adopted.
So
we
made
the
decision
at
that
time
that
we
would
adopt
to
the
new
code,
even
though
we
could
have
pushed
the
project
through
under
the
old
code,
but
we
wanted
to
be
in
compliance
with
a
new
code.
G
Currently
today
we
have
two
MPD's,
which
means
that
we
have
for
fuelling
positions
and
if
you've
ever
been
to
the
store
during
peak
hours,
you'll
see
that
a
lot
traffic
does
not
flow
well
through
the
lot.
You
know
when
we
are
going
for
four,
because
that's
what
our
projections
on
fuel
sales
show
that
we
need
at
this
location.
G
We
had
tried
to
bring
this
location
through
about
ten
years
ago
to
rebuild
it,
and
you
know
at
that
time
we
were
going
with
a
full
full
canopy,
which
means
that
there's
10
NPD's,
but
we've
really,
you
know
scaled
it
back
with
this.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
we've
worked
really
closely
with
Drake
University
and
the
Neighborhood
Association.
Through
this
process
we
have
incorporated
their
comments
into
the
design
of
the
store
like,
for
instance,
they
would
like
a
bike
fix-it
station.
So
we've
added
that
to
the
site
plan.
We
do,
we
will
have
bike
racks.
G
You
know
one
thing:
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
about
come
and
go,
but
our
stores
are
LEED
certified.
So
we
have
a
hundred
and
eight
LEED
certified
stores
in
our
network
of
four
hundred
and
forty
stores,
we
we're
not
certifying
lead
going
forward
because
it's
a
very
expensive
process
and
we
just
look
at
it
like
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
to
build
sustainable
buildings.
So
you
know
we
do
things
like
LED
lighting,
we
recycle.
When
we,
when
we
do
demo,
you
know
landscaping,
etc.
All
of
that
we
incorporate.
G
You
know
that
our
business
model
has
also
changed
over
the
years,
so
we're
really
pushing
fresh
food
as
opposed
to
the
usual.
You
know:
beef,
jerky
chips,
Powerade
type
things
believe
it
or
not.
Water
is
the
number
one
seller
in
the
store,
so
you'll
notice.
You
know
our
cooler
doors
have
a
lot
of
water
sales,
so
you
know
that's
the
reason.
First
asking
for
the
the
extra
MPD
is
just
that's:
what
fuel
sales
dictate.
H
Can
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
Morrell
flats?
I
I
mean
it's
kind
of
a
lovely
structure.
I
hate
to
see
it
demolish
so
is
is
the
whole
project
based
on
the
fact
that
you
need
that
extra
space,
so
you'll
be
able
to
demolish
or
move
that
structure.
Are
there
folks
living
there
now
or
is
it
low
income
so.
G
Its
market,
you
know
its
market
rate,
there's
eight
units
in
it
the
building
has
been
totally
remodeled,
and
that
includes
even
removing
the
original
windows
and
enlarging
and
enlarging
the
window
openings.
It's
had
you
know,
foundation
repairs.
The
only
original
structure
that
we
believe
still
exists
are
the
stood,
the
main
staircase
going
through
it
and
some
of
the
bathroom
flooring.
It's
not
it's,
not
a
historic.
You
know
building
you
know,
but
he
you
know
with
that.
G
When
they
look
at
the
criteria
and
nobody
famous
you
know
lived
there,
the
only
thing
it
has
is
that
it
was
built
at
the
time
that
the
Drake
neighborhood
was
founded.
We've
been
working
with
Neighborhood
Development
Corporation,
which
is
a
quasi
public
private
group,
and
they
are
looking
at
relocating
it,
but
there
a
major
shortfall
in
funding,
so
it's
1.7
million
to
move
the
building
all
in
and
that's
assuming
that
you
know
ground
could
be
found
within
close
proximity.
It
has
so
current
the
building
the
way
it's
built.
G
It's
got
three
stories
of
apartments
above
ground,
and
then
it
has
a
garden
level.
So
the
the
two
bottom
apartments
are
half
in
the
ground.
Half
out
of
the
ground,
and
as
a
result
of
that,
the
building
has
to
be
cut
off
at
the
garden
level,
and
you
move
the
six
upper
storey
Apartments
and
then
a
new
basement
would
need
to
be
dug
and
two
more
apartments
to
be
put
down
there.
It
doesn't
make
any
economic
sense
to
move
it
as
six
units,
so.
I
G
A
G
Are
so
we
they've
known
for
about
a
year
so
when
they're
ten,
when
their
leases
came
up
for
renewal,
we
put
them
on
month-to-month
starting
a
year
ago,
and
you
know
we've
told
them
that
we
will,
you
know,
give
them.
You
know
plenty
of
notice
to
move
so
so
those
notices
will
probably
be
going
out
after
we
get
through
the
holidays.
G
No
they'll
I
mean
they'll
just
have
time
to
find
an
you
know,
someplace
else
to
live
cuz
again
that
it
made
its
market
their
market
they're,
not
okay.
You
know
it's
not
low-income
housing,
it's
actually
a
condo
building.
It
was
conned
out
a
number
of
years
back,
but
you
know:
we've
been
running
it
as
apartments.
A
All
right,
Siobhan
part
of
the
proposal,
would
be
you're,
seeing
a
variance
to
sell
liquor
rather
than
just
beer
and
wine,
and
depending
on
certain
stores,
whether
you
know
other
convenience
store
chains
and
even
your
own.
Sometimes
that's
just
out
on
a
shelf
when
you
sell
it,
but
within
these
requirements,
you'd
be
required
to
keep
that
within
a
locked
case
or
behind
a
counter
only
accessible
to
employees
for
the
liquor.
You
guys
are
okay
with
that.
Yes,.
A
G
G
Just
one
comment
about
the
liquor,
so
you
know
we
currently
have
beer
and
wine
and
we're
you
know
asking
for
the
liquor
so
Walgreens
next
door.
They
have
a
full
liquor
lineup
at
their
store.
So
you
know.
Obviously
we
want
to
be
competitive
with
them
and
they're
within
the
500
feet
of
Trinity
Church
as
well,
which
is
in
there
I
think
since
1939.
G
A
A
She's
gonna
donate
that
to
Burt
for
the
record.
Thank
you,
okay.
If
there's
nobody
else
to
speak
and
support
its,
do
you
want
to
speak
in
support,
sir
okay?
So
if
there's
no
one
else
to
speak
in
support
anybody
here
to
speak
in
opposition
now
you
can
just
take
turns
wherever
that
might
be,
and
we
just
need
your
name
address
and
you've
got
up
to
five
minutes.
J
My
name
is
John
schneller
I'm,
president
at
Trinity,
Lutheran
Church
at
3223,
University
and
I'm,
not
necessarily
opposed
to
in
favor
of
it.
So
but
I
went
to
that
gas
station
last
night
six
o'clock
and
let
me
tell
you
this:
it
is
very,
very
difficult
to
get
out
when
I
got
done.
Getting
gas
I
turned
right
onto
31st
Street
and
went
to
Pitt
South
to
Cottage
Grove
would
go
back
to
35th
Street
to
go
back
to
church.
So
it's
a
little.
J
J
The
other
thing
is
they
do
sell
regular
of
gas,
which
I
mean
ATIP
I,
not
unleaded,
and
let's
see
here,
I've
came
to
Des
Moines
in
1962
and
I've,
been
in
that
apartment,
building
and
I
hate
to
see
it
go
it's
a
beautiful
building
in
my
opinion,
but
things
March
on
and
it
would
be
neat
affected.
But
it
might
not
happen.
Let's
see
here
the
I
can't
say
it's
an
Art
Deco
building,
but
it's
it
is
nice
and
so
forth.
J
A
H
A
question
I'm
not
sure
if
staff
can
answer
or
not,
but
I
was
wondering
about
the
hours
of
operation.
I
should
have
asked
you
that
snore.
B
A
H
I'm
not
sure
I
want
to
do
anything.
Okay,
I'm
just
curious.
So
if
it's
a
24
hour
store
and
then
the
gentleman
mentioned
the
traffic
issues
which
I
totally
get
I,
don't
look
fairly
close
to
that
it's
a
real
busy
corner
with
Drake
and
Walgreens
and
come
and
go
and
what
the
street
construction
is.
It
just
exasperates
everything
right
now
so
I'm
hoping
that
that
improves
I
wanted.
B
To
point
out
that,
with
the
building
push
up
to
the
corner,
that
actually
forces
the
driveways
to
move
farther
from
the
intersection
which
should
help
with
traffic,
because
right
now
the
driveway
to
31st
somewhere
in
this
area.
Right
here
and
with
this
plan,
it
shifts
it
at
least
100
feet
to
the
south.
So
it
should
be
a
lot,
maybe
not
a
hundred
feet
but
close.
So
it
would
be
a
lot
easier
to
do
a
right
out
onto
31st
Street
than
it
currently
is.
B
There
was
I
know
when
they
were
going
through
the
rezoning
process.
Council
looked
at
that
and
that's
why
they
did
the
study
on
how
much
it
would
cost
to
relocate
the
building
or
to
design
the
site
to
save
the
building.
But
ultimately,
when
council
approved
the
rezoning,
they
pretty
much
acknowledged
that
you
add
the
building.
It's
been
a
happy
we
can
go
because
they
did
this
stork
study
to
make
sure
it
wasn't
a
contributing
structure
and
I
share
your
sentiments.
E
A
So
the
variance
for
the
alcohol
isn't
really
related
to
the
apartment,
but
theoretically
or
I
guess
relationship
the
additional
dispensers
are
the
additional
fuelling
locations
probably
make
the
site
bigger,
which
gets
into
the
need
to
get
rid
of
the
apartment.
Potentially
they
can
maybe
squeeze
it.
I
think.
B
A
A
Knowledge
apparently
yeah,
oh
yeah
summer
24
hours,
but
some
aren't
getting
my
salami
I
need
to
get
out
the
mill
the
night
all
right
do.
We
have
any
of
further
questions
for
staff.
Okay,
seeing
none
will
close
the
public
portion
then
and
we'll
go
to
board
deliberation.
So
that's
where
the
board
talks
amongst
itself.
And
oh
that's
right.
Yes,
thank
you.
Since
we
had
someone
speak
in
opposition
to
your
request,
you
can
have
up
to
three
minutes
for
any
rebuttal
or
closing
comment.
If
you
so
choose
you
don't
have
to.
G
You
know
I
think
it
was
covered,
but
I
think
you
know
the
biggest
thing
is
the
traffic
flow
on
the
site,
and
you
know
staff
did
a
great
job
explaining
that
you
know
we
are
pushing
the
entrances
back
so
that
you
know
that
that
will
help
with
the
traffic
flow.
It's
really
hard
to
get
out
of
there
now,
because
basically
you're
pulling
into
the
middle
of
the
intersection,
even
though
you're
on
the
side
street
so
so
pushing
those
entrances
back,
will
will
help
that.
L
G
Yes,
so
with
the
new
code,
you
know
the
idea
is
to
bring
buildings
so
there's
interaction
with
the
public,
so
we'll
have
the
entrance
on
31st,
Street
plus
we'll
have
the
main
entrance
to
the
store
that
faces,
the
pumps
there
will
or
sorry
it's
unit
the
university
side
31st.
The
long
walled
side
will
not
have
a
door.
G
H
The
this
site
definitely
needs
a
facelift.
I
don't
like
to
go
there
it
to
me
feels
it
doesn't
feel
secure
to
me
all
the
time.
So
I
tend
not
to
go
there
very
often
so
I
think
having
a
newer
building
a
better
look.
Maybe
more
traffic
control
I
think
it's
going
to
really
add
some
improvement
to
the
area.
E
F
F
The
fact
that
Walgreens
sells
liquor,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we
can
restrict
these
guys
but
not
being
able
to
sell
it.
Then
they're
within
500
feet
of
the
church,
now
I
think
it's
incumbent
on
them
to
be
good
citizens
and
make
sure
that
it
become
a
problem
and
I,
don't
think
they
will
I
think
they
will
make
sure
it's
not
a
problem.
As
far
as
the
eight
pumps
goes,
I
mean
I
think
that's
just
a
fact:
the
traffic
flows
and
they
do
counts
and
they
figure
that
out
it's
behind
the
building.
F
I,
don't
know
that
we're
gonna
be
looking
at.
It
is
as
much
as
I.
Don't
see
that
as
being
very
obtrusive,
either
sure
so
I
think
you
know
to
Lynne's
point
and
Cindy.
You
made
the
same
comment.
I
think
they've
worked
pretty
hard
to
make
this
fit
in
there
and
they
also
have
a
model
that
they
need.
The
math
needs
to
work
for
that,
so
I'm
I'm
inclined
to
support
it.
A
The
alcohol
sales,
because
they'd
be
expanding
their
conditional
use,
permit
to
sell
liquor,
as
well
as
the
beer,
annoying
they're,
already
permitted
to
and
then
we'd
have
two
more
fueling
locations
beyond
this
six
allowed.
I
think
if
we
as
I
mentioned
always
in
the
preamble
and
from
you
know
the
board's
reference,
we've
always
got
to
consider
our
criteria
under
chapter
18
B,
which
does
relate
to
ensuring
that
any
location,
design,
construction,
operation,
adequately
safeguards
of
general
welfare
of
the
surrounding
area,
which
I
think
this
does.
A
We
have
to
have
sufficient
landscaping
and
structures
to
prevent
noise
vibration
light
and
any
detrimental
impact
I
think
they
have
covered
that
and
even
within
the
variance
test,
it
should
not
alter
the
essential
character.
The
locality
of
the
land
I
think
they
generally
will
not
alter
that
character.
We
already
have
a
service
station
there
and,
as
as
a
number
of
you
just
said,
this
is
going
to
be
an
improvement
on
that.
A
So
I
think,
based
on
that
criteria,
I'm
gonna
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
two
requested
variances
as
presented
there,
any
other
comments,
or
maybe
a
second
I'll.
Second,
okay,
again
the
conditions
yeah
yeah,
the
conditional
use
permit
and
the
two
related
variances
as
presented
yeah,
exactly
good,
all
right,
if
that's
clear
enough
for
my
colleagues,
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
say
hi,
any
opposed
one.
Okay,
so
motion
carries
five
to
one
for
approval.
Thank
you
for
coming
in
today.
B
Mr.
chair
members
of
the
board
item
number
13
is
a
request
to
retain
a
home-based
business
that
involves
the
diesel
engine
repair.
The
subject
property
is
located
on
the
south
side
of
the
Spry
duay
Avenue,
just
to
the
west
of
the
intersection
with
East
46th
Street.
The
subject
property
contains
a
single
family
home
as
well
as
two
accessory
structures.
E
B
Applicant
has
been
using
the
southernmost
structure
for
the
business
again
East
Broadway
avenues
along
the
north
property
line.
They
have
a
house
here
and
then
to
accessory
structures
and
they're
only
using
this
southern
structure
for
their
business
and
they're.
Also
using
this
area
here
for
the
storage
of
vehicles
awaiting
service,
the
appeals
they
were
in
order
to
grant
the
special
permit
for
the
home
occupation.
The
board
must
also
grant
three
other
variances
and
those
include
the
variance
of
the
provision
of
prohibits
home
occupation
from
having
any
outside
storage
of
materials
or
products.
B
They
also
need
a
variance
of
the
provision
that
limits
a
home
occupation
to
no
more
than
one
half
of
the
area
of
any
accessory
structure,
and
then
they
also
need
a
variance
of
the
provision
that
limits
the
home
occupation
to
the
owner
occupants
of
the
structure.
In
this
case,
the
property
is
owned
by
a
couple
who
is
letting
their
family
member
and
his
family
live
in
the
structure.
B
B
B
B
So
staff
looked
at
this
and,
as
I
mentioned,
in
order
to
grant
the
special
permit,
the
board
would
also
have
to
grant
three
variances
in
order
to
grant
a
variance.
They
have
to
demonstrate
that
there's
no
other
viable
use
of
the
property
without
the
variances.
In
this
case,
it's
a
single-family
residential
property.
We
feel
that
even
without
the
business
it
can
yield
a
reasonable
return
from
the
single-family
residential
use.
We
do
have
concerns
with
the
sound
impact
that
would
come
from
a
diesel
repair
business
on
this
property.
B
B
A
E
B
A
B
Right
now,
it's
owned
a
one
yeah
this
whole
area
here
this
was
all
within
that
involuntary
annexation
that
took
place
in
2009
and
when
it
was
annexed
to
the
city
at
that
time
that
all
came
in
zone
a
one
agriculture.
Also,
it's
currently
zoned
agricultural
with
the
new
zoning
ordinance
that
takes
effect
next
month.
This
would
become
zoned,
neighborhood
and
neighborhood
district,
which
would
be
a
single-family
residential
district.
Okay,.
A
N
Hi
I'm
Tracy
Dewalt
from
six
to
eight
seven.
Seventy
third
Avenue
Indianola
a
little
history
on
this
property
for
us
is
my
my
son-in-law
and
daughter
looked
at
it
to
purchase
it,
the
people
that
she
was
buying
it
from
they
they
put
an
offer
to
purchase
it,
they
rented
it
to
them.
For
this
business
back
last
fall,
their
financing
fell
through,
and
that's
the
only
reason
I'm
involved
in
this
at
all
is
because
we
went
ahead
and
used
financed
it
for
them
to
be
able
to
do
their
business
through
a
royalty
and
stuff.
N
They
told
us
that
that
be
able
to
be
done.
We
found
out
now
as
far
as
this
fall,
that
that
is
not
not
possible
right
off
the
bat
on
the
on
the
variances
or
whatever
we're
fighting
to
do
away
with
all
outdoor
storage
altogether.
It
seems
like
a
few
of
our
our
neighbors
in
comments
that
we've
seen
feel
that
they
don't
they
don't
like,
seeing
that
the
truck
setting
out
in.
E
N
Neighborhood
they're
in
stuff,
we
didn't
know
that
he
needed
as
hard
that
they
needed
to
be
on
our
on
the
prop
proper
as
owners
of
the
property
and
so
we'll
add
them
to
the
deed
until
they're
able
to
get
it
financed
in
their
name.
It's
that
way
it
would
get
rid
of
two
of
those
variances,
so
really
variance
wise
we're
just
asking
to
be
able
to
use
that
whole
ship
for
him
to
be
able
to
use
that
whole
shop
so
that
he
can
have
two
vehicles
that
he's
working
on.
A
Yeah
so
Tracy,
if
you,
if
you
or
your
son-in-law,
sat
down
with
city
staff,
is
there
and
I'm
not
saying
this
will
determine
how
the
wind
blows
here
on
this
one?
But
is
there
a
reason
why
you
didn't
wait
to
file
this
case
until
you
could
have
put
the
property
and
their
name
so
that
they
would
be
the
true
home
occupant,
because.
A
N
A
A
E
A
A
N
Told
us
there
was
would
be
no
problem
for
him
to
run
his
business.
There
is
what
and
that's
the
reason
they
had
pursued
it
at
the
time,
but
then,
when
we
met
with
the
rezoning
people
here
two
months
ago
or
whatever
they're
like
the
Realtors
and
stuff
didn't
do
any
of
the
normal
clearing
and
so
they've
really
caught
us
off
guard.
Okay,.
A
A
This
board
doesn't
have
the
ability
to
like
grant
a
stay
of
like
30
or
60
days,
but
in
the
past.
Sometimes
the
border
said
well,
we'll
give
a
limited
special
permit.
That
would
expire
like
in
two
years
or
a
year
or
18
months
to
encourage
somebody
to
kind
of
phase
things
out
or
move
to
a
different
location
and
I'm,
not
saying
that
that
is
what
myself
or
my
colleagues
would
be
inclined
to
consider.
But
you
know
sometimes
it's
important
to
have
some
options
in
your
back
pocket.
A
N
A
Yeah
and
as
good
as
some
Realtors
are
yeah
I
have
a
realtor,
I
I,
always
say,
and
for
those
in
the
audience
check
with
the
city
and
the
locality
in
question,
not
with
your
realtor
on
what's
allowable
for
building
codes
and
zoning
codes,
because
you
know
a
Realtors
business
is
to
sell
a
place,
not
explain
the
city,
zoning
ordinance
so
just
kind
of
keep
that
in
mind.
So
it's
a
hard
way
to
learn.
Yeah,
okay,.
E
A
L
Have
my
name
is
Luke
Jed
I
own
the
business
I
just
want
to
say
that
I've
worked
really
hard
to
get
to
this
point
in
my
life
and
if
I
lose
this
I'm
going
to
lose
the
house,
so
I
I
really
don't
understand
what
the
hardship,
how
to
get
that
or
or
the
definite
your
guys's
definition
of
it.
But
it's
going
to
be
a
substantial
hardship
to
me
and
I
guess:
that's!
That's
all
I
got.
K
Of
the
the
community,
or
whatever
the
five
or
six
people
that
complained,
but
the
one
that's
directly
across
the
street
from
us,
how
did
we
crack
their
porch,
there's
so
much
traffic
going
on
that
road?
There's
nothing!
We
can
do
about
that.
The
mailbox
if
somebody
got
hit
a
mailbox,
our
mailbox
comes
first,
so
that
mailbox
didn't
know
nothing
to
do
with
us.
There's
no
way
her
ninety-year-old
crack
step
could
have
come
from
our
traffic,
there's
several.
Obviously
the
cars,
the
other
lady
that
said,
she's
concerned
about
her
children
being
outside.
K
K
Up
to
us,
but
I
understand
you
know
we
were
misled
by
the
realtor
and
the
previous,
the
owners.
Obviously
they
wanted
to
get
us
in
there
very
fastly,
so
we
could
get
in
and
move
her
whole
family
from
Norwalk,
where
my
kids
have
been
for
15
years.
I
had
to
remove
my
son,
you
know
from
his
school
and
put
in
and
put
him
into
the
southeast
Polk
district,
which
is
a
huge
district
compared
to
the
Norwalk.
He.
E
K
I
have
no
way
to
help,
and
if
we
don't
have
this
business,
we
have
no
way
to
pay
the
bills
at
all.
You
know
and
I
understand
the
offer
of
the
12
months.
That
would
help
us
get
something
figured
out,
but
still
I.
Really.
You
know
this
was
our
his
dream
and
our
dream,
and
you
know
we
went
in
at
full,
fledge
and
and
I.
Just
don't
I
think
that
as
far
as
the
complaints
they
have,
if
there's
anything,
we
can
do
to
help
with
that
to
keep
our
business.
K
You
know,
even
if
we
cut
down
on
our
income
and
just
have
a
couple
trucks
at
a
time,
you
know
keep
them
in
the
shop
or
whatever
we
will
do
whatever
we
can.
We
just
ask
for
please
not
to
be
you
know,
thrown
out
in
the
streets
with
no
job
and
no
home,
and
we
have
six
kids
to
take
care
of.
No,
that's
all
I.
M
Have
a
question
for
judge:
if
you
can
cut
your
Jetta
can
come
back
up.
I
happen
to
have
a
son.
Who
is
a
diesel
mechanic?
I
know
a
lot
of
work
is
done
at
night
because
they're
using
the
trucks
during
the
day,
but
since
this
is
a
residential
area
and
impact
guns
and
stuff
do
make
a
lot
of
noise.
Are
you
able
to
maybe
limit
your
hours
so
you're,
not
working
past
eight
or
nine
o'clock
at
night?
Absolutely,
okay,
I.
K
I
really
don't
hear
much.
Noise
I
do
have
five
kids,
but
I'm
in
the
house
and
I
really
don't
hear
a
whole
lot
of
noise.
I,
honestly,
don't
and
our
neighbor
that's
right.
Next
to
us,
we
went
over
and
spoke
with
her
and
she
says
she
doesn't
hear
any
noise
either
in
their
home
during
the
day,
and
you
know
sometimes
it
makes
some.
K
A
A
O
My
name
is
Gerry
ward
and
I
live
at
forty
five
85
he's
46th
I'm
opposed
to
this.
They
are
a
neighbor.
We
get
lots
of
smells,
especially
in
the
summertime.
You
can
smell
the
oil,
the
diesel
fuel
and
it's
very
loud
over
there.
There's
lots
of
impact
tools,
written
and
there's
lots
of
ribbing
of
motors,
and
it
is
constant
for
a
half
hour
at
a
time,
and
it's
not
just
me.
O
A
C
C
On
the
other
hand,
we
have
lived
in
the
neighborhood
for
some
time
and
we
realize
that
changes
are
taking
place
with
the
growth
in
Altoona,
the
City
of
Des
Moines,
having
annex
this
proper.
This
area
in
which
we
live,
but
this
business
is
so
out
of
character
with
the
neighborhood
and
I
think
it
reflects
badly
on
a
residential
area
and
I
think
it
calls
into
question
Des
Moines
zoning.
C
C
That
was
designed
for
residential
use
is,
is
just
you
know,
beyond
my
comprehension
and
so
I
see
that
as
a
safety
issue,
I
also
see
that
we
live
in
an
area
where
there
are
homes
like
ours
that
were
built
in
1939,
but
we
have
homes
that
have
been
recently
built
and
we
have
homes
that
have
been
sold
to
property
owners
who
would
have
no
idea
of
what
they
might
be
getting
into
with
the
thought
of
having
a
business
like
this.
Also
I
hear
that
single-family
residences
are
going
to
be
built
between
Hubbell
and
in
Broadway.
C
There's
there's
a
lot
of
land
there
and
I
I
think
the
City
of
Des
Moines
owes
it
to
us
to
see
that
we
make
this
area
attractive.
All
the
growth
is
going
east
into
Altoona.
Let's
have
a
nice
residential
oasis
in
that
area,
west
of
North
East
46th,
Street,
East,
46th
Street.
So
those
those
are
my
concerns,
but
I
just
can't
imagine.
P
A
P
P
Third
owners,
the
man
that
built
it
built
Firestone,
Tire
and
Rubber
Company-
it's
always
been
a
landmark
and
not
to
in
an
attempt
to
shall
we
say
boast
about
it,
but
I
have
gone
to
the
expense
of
spending
thousands
of
dollars
a
year
just
to
preserve
the
trees
re,
our
yard.
Six
and
a
half
acres
of
garden
was
laid
out
by
herd
gardens,
which
was
the
premier
garden
at
the
time.
I
have
the
blueprints
I
have
preserved
it.
I
spend
huge
amounts
to.
P
The
trees,
our
arborist
says,
they're
the
finest
trees
in
Des
Moines,
and
we
have
trying
to
preserve
this
property
for
the
next
generation,
and
there
are
many
people
in
this
neighborhood
and
and
homes.
In
the
last
10
15
years,
some
very
nice
homes
have
been
built
on
Broadway,
going
west
and
I
feel
for
all
of
the
people
in
our
area.
P
Then
the
the
need
to
respect
what
is
probably
their
greatest
investment
in
life,
and-
and
this
is
such
an
eyesore
and
so
inappropriate
in
the
neighborhood,
and
then
there
is
sounds
and
these
diesel
trucks
stopping
and
the
rafi
all
the
time.
We're
all
have
become
very
much
aware
of
it.
So
I
I
do
feel
that
many
of
us
have
felt
that
this
is
an
area
that
is
some
years
ago
an
individual
from
the
City
of
Des
Moines
came
out
and
when
she
walked
was
in
our
home
went
through
the
property.
P
She
said
this
is
a
jewel
that
needs
to
be
preserved
in
the
community
and
I.
Think
many
people
feel
that
in
our
area
and
we're
trying
to
preserve
this,
but
this
is
a
total,
miss
placement
and
I
can
see.
It
said
several
miles
north
in
Norwood,
ville
and
going
west
truck
repairs,
but
nothing
like
this
and
the
area
it's
in
the
block.
It's
in.
A
A
A
L
Just
like
to
state
the
the
street
that
we
do
live
on,
Broadway
Avenue
is
a
busy
road.
It's
been
like
that,
for
as
long
as
that
roads
been
there
before
I
came,
there's
trucks
running
up
and
down
the
area.
That's
just
the
world
we
live
in.
If
it
was
truly
a
quiet
residential
street,
it
would
be.
You
know
something
25
miles
an
hour.
It's
a
45
mile,
an
hour
Road,
and
it's
it's
not
quiet
regardless
of
me.
So
that's
all
I'd
like
to
say
thank
you
all.
C
A
M
M
I
do
want
to
make
it
point
for
30
years
in
real
estate,
any
purchase
agreement
written
when
you
want
to
do
something
different,
rather
than
a
single-family
home,
write
it
in
the
purchase
agreement
that
be
contingent
on
your
acceptance
by
somebody
in
the
city
or
somebody
verifying
that
it
is
okay.
Let's
save
a
lot
of
heartache
but
I.
Just
I
I
know
what
diesel
repair
is
like
my
son:
does
it
and
I
just
don't
see
it
bidding
in
a
single-family
neighborhood.
M
H
My
only
concern
is
that
there
was
there
was
a
crane
business
there
before
it's
kind
of
you
know
historically
had
other
businesses
there
before
it
has
a
large
outbuilding
I'm,
not
sure
how
long
that's
been
there.
I
do
have
some
concerns
with
the
business
itself
and
the
location
of
it,
so
I
mean
if
we
were
so
inclined
not
not
to
approve
this
or
to
go
with
staff
recommendation.
H
Do
you
think
it
would
take
I,
don't
know
I'm
thinking
a
couple
of
years,
I
mean
that
that
would
just
be
a
major
upheaval,
a
lot
of
time
in
terms
of
trying
to
figure
out
where
to
go
to,
and
you
have
to
relocate
your
life,
your
business,
your
life,
your
family,
you
know
it's
not
just
a
business
you're
relocating,
so
you
can't
have
to
take
that
into
consideration.
I'm,
just
thinking
there's
been
business,
a
business
there
before
there
was
a
crane
operator
there
before
not
not
saying
that
that's
good,
good
or
bad,
but
mm-hmm.
M
That
two
years
is
too
long:
I
I
think
it
is
I
think
we
need
to
put
a
little
fire
underneath
them.
It's
a
lot.
It's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
work.
It's
going
to
be
hard
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion.
I
know
it's
gonna
be
hard
and
I
feel
for
them.
Like
I,
said,
I
know
the
work.
My
son's
been
doing
it
for
20
years.
A
M
A
A
M
M
F
A
M
If
we
get
60
days
to
get
rid
of
the
outside
storage
and
that's
effectively
the
same
thing
yeah,
it's
reducing
the
stress
on
on
the
neighborhood
and
the
commercial
feel.
So
we
outside
storage
to
be
removed
60
days
and
probably
from
the
date
of
the
order
and
then
have
them
moved
out
of
the
business.
They
can
live
in
their
single
family,
but
have
the
business
out
of
there
by
December
31st
20
20
hours
of
7:30
in
the
morning
to
8:00
at
night.
A
H
E
A
That's
one:
okay,
so
trying
to
work
the
balance
here.
We
keep
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance
intact.
This,
as
was
mentioned.
This
is
a
changing
area.
We'd
like
to
be
as
fair
as
we
can
to
you
all.
If
you
have
a
growing
business,
you're
gonna
want
to
get
bigger
than
this
place
eventually
anyway.
So
I
hope
your
business
is
successful
and
can
expand
elsewhere,
but
you've
got
up
to
a
year
to
keep
it
going,
but
to
get
that
figured
out.
Okay,
all
right.
A
C
E
R
The
subject
property
is
actually
a
fairly
large
property,
tucked
back
in
and
off
of
14th
Street,
which
runs
along
the
east
side.
There's
a
drive
access
coming
in
off
of
East
14th
Street,
there's
also
an
access
that
punches
through
to
the
south
on
King
Avenue.
You
may,
if
you
know
the
Southeast
14th
corridor.
R
This
is
a
mini
vault,
business
and
I
believe
this
is
just
a
house
at
that
location
there,
along
East,
14th
Street,
the
subject
property
has
a
large
building
I
believe
it
was
some
type
of
Ridgeway,
some
type
of
assembly
for
like
a
fraternal
organization
or
possibly
even
like
a
dance
hall
at
one
time,
not
sure
of
the
particular
history
of
it.
But
it
was.
R
It
was
built
as
an
assembly
type
building
it
didn't,
it
hasn't,
had
paved
parking
or
if
it
did
have
pay
parking,
it
hasn't
been
maintained
and
in
a
fashion
and
then
gravel
has
been
used
to
maintain
the
surfaces
over
time.
You'll
see
in
these
photos.
This
is
a
coming
down
going
north
on
the
drive,
access
to
King,
Avenue,
so
you're,
looking
north
in
towards
the
site
as
you're
coming
off
the
public
street.
R
R
I'm
gonna
show
you
this
first,
so
this
is
looking
at
the
building,
which
is
kind
of
the
Kwanza
type
roof
structure,
very
typical
of
small
assembly
buildings
back
in
prior
to
the
1950s,
there's
also
a
house
on
the
property
that
that
goes
with
the
overall
property.
So
there
is
a
residence
that's
associated
with
it.
R
L
R
R
Because
it's
a
institution
of
religious
character,
this
can
be
looked
at
through
the
scope
of
a
special
permit
in
terms
of
all
of
the
components
of
it.
They
did
come
to
the
board
in
the
past
just
for
their
farmers
market
activity.
At
that
time
they
actually
had
an
approved
site
plan
for
paving
this
parking,
so
it's
just
never
been
implemented
over
time,
so
that
expired
over
time,
so
in
2013
they
did
come
in
with
that
farmers
market.
That's
also
expired,
because
that
was
only
for
a
five
year
period.
R
I,
don't
you'll
have
to
ask
the
appellant
if
they
still
even
operate
a
farmer's
market,
but
they
would
probably
have
to
come
back
in
and
ask
for
that
separately.
If
that
was
something
that
they
still
wanted
to
do.
Staff
is
looking
at
this.
They
they
have
a
phased
approach
and
I'm
going
to
show
you
that
as
well
I'm
going
to
have
to
stretch
out
the
big
map
here,
zoom
out.
R
R
The
initial
face
takes
the
drag,
weight
comes
in
and
would
pay
parking
lot
parking
spaces
to
the
South
believe
that
Sarah
media
intent
the
other
phases
they
would
still
want
available,
but
they
would
be
looking
to
construct
those
in
a
later
time.
I.
Think
probably
their
constraint
is
the
funding
of
the
situation.
So.
E
R
Any
use,
then,
would
also
be
surfaced,
then,
with
a
dustless
material,
if
they're
going
to
use
it
for
parking
and
I
want
to
kind
of
qualify.
Three
and
four
are
based
on
the
use
of
it
for
parking.
They
can
at
any
time
restore
it
to
a
turf
condition
and
not
use
it
as
parking,
and
it
wouldn't.
You
know
this
wouldn't
really
be
relevant,
but
if
they're
going
to
use
it
for
parking,
then
phases.
R
Two
and
three
need
to
be
surfaced
with
this
in
dustless
material
in
interim
and
then
permanently
paid
within
eighteen
months,
based
on
the
staff
recommendation
and
then
the
last
piece
is
really
a
catch-all
provision.
If,
for
whatever
reason,
the
activity
going
on
here
starts
exhibiting
a
nuisance
which
parking
starts
occurring
in
the
ways
that
impact
the
neighbors
that
surround
it,
I
don't
envision
that,
but
this
allows
that
to
be
brought
back
to
the
board.
So
are
there
any
questions?
How.
A
That's
it
Cindy's
got
a
good
question
because
you
know
I
can't
say
that
I
visited
there
directly,
but
it
was
my
impression
there
already
was
a
place
of
either
spiritual
or
religious,
retreat
or
or
a
place
of
worship
there.
For
many
years
they
even
asked
to
have
a
sign
at
one
time
that
we
approved
so
had
that
used
discontinued
I'm.
Not
it's.
E
A
A
A
R
A
R
H
G
M
R
S
A
S
R
R
A
I
David
Churchill
my
addresses
to
7:01
Kirkwood
Street,
Milo
I
came
by
this.
By
having
conversation
with
the
engineer
that
did
the
original
plan
and
in
with
meeting
with
the
owners,
they
have
a
more
aggressive
board.
They
have
a
new
agenda
to
bring
it
into
compliance,
and
in
order
to
do
that
because
they're,
a
non-profit,
there's,
obviously
some
funding
challenges.
If
you
will
so,
the
suggestion
is,
if
we
phase
it,
which
is
out
for
bid
for
the
whole
thing-
and
we
don't
have
a
number
yet
that
we
can
at
least
be.
A
I
H
I
Three
is
the
one
that
they
stumble
on
a
little
bit,
which
is
the
eighteen
months
to
complete
complete
phase
two
and
three
with
conversations
with
the
contractors.
We're
also
discussing
should
phase
three
come
before
phase
two.
If
we
put
in
the
drives,
the
heavy
equipment
comes
in
on
both
the
drives
to
do
the
parking
lot.
So
wouldn't
it
be
better
to
do
the
parking
lot
first
and
do
the
drive
out
to
14th
Street
a
third
anyway
I
got
my
numbers
mixed
up
so
down
to
the
point.
I
If
we
can
modify
the
staff
recommendation
to
36
months
for
phase
2
and
phase
3,
that
would
be
great
understanding
the
will
of
the
board
and
knowing
how
I,
how
things
work
we'd
be
really
happy
with
24
months,
which
is
the
kind
of
standard
we
don't
kind
of
fit
into
a
standard.
But
usually
we
get
24
months
to
complete
from
the
date
of
the
order.
I
E
I
A
I
S
E
M
I
Bid
the
bid
amount
is
a
target
goal,
so
they
have.
They
have
these
ability
to
do
the
phase
one
now,
but
they
need
to
also
have
their
funding
program
in
place
for
a
number.
So
if
we
have
the
amount
of
time
to
do
it,
then
they
can
collect
the
money
in
order
to
do
it.
I
don't
know
how
long
the
bids
are
good
for
maybe
if
we
get
a
bid
now,
it's
probably
gonna
be
good
till
May.
First,
because
they're
gonna
start
construction
may
2nd
sure
you.
M
I
Trying
to
school
them
in
that
process.
Okay,
they
seem
to
be
good
at
raising
money.
Okay,
when
it
comes
down
to
it.
I
know
that
the
this
we
also
have
to
do
a
funding
for
a
sewer
connection.
They
did
do
a
water
connection
and
brought
that
in,
and
we
all
know
the
Des
Moines
Water
Department's
expensive
to
hook
onto
so
they're.
Definitely
in
that
process
of
trying
to
move
it
forward
correctly,
asking
for
permission,
not
forgiveness,
so.
F
I
I
Not
sure
what
they're
gonna
I
think
they're
gonna
do
nothing
on
the
area
that
has
not
been
maintained
and,
like
Eric
said,
basically,
they
have
planned
events
periodically,
but
most
of
the
time
that
I've
been
there
I've
never
seen
more
than
eight
cars,
but
they
do
have
events
that
come
in
and
they
would
park
on
that.
We
can
put
a
dustless
surface
down
or
we
can
stipulate
that
they
have
to
park
on
the
new
parking
staffs,
not
asking.
F
I
S
S
S
S
A
E
D
S
E
I
A
I
R
Since
I
was
out
there,
I
do
want
to
get
on
the
record,
so
the
items
three
and
four
are
yep
that,
while
they
don't
say
it
there,
there
relative
to
areas
that
are
actually
going
to
be
parked.
They
they
always
as
they
without
coming
to
the
board,
can
restore
those
areas
that
they
aren't
using
for
parking.
E
R
A
A
It
looks
like
they're
generally
taking
care
of
the
entrances
and
exits.
That's
very
innocuous.
So
if
it's
a
place
to
either
meditate
worship
or
take
a
break
from
what
goes
on
the
daily
grind,
it
looks
like
it
works
good
for
that.
So,
if
they're,
improving
it
great,
so
I'd
make
a
motion
to
approve.
Yes,
sir,.
L
A
E
I
A
P
R
A
A
D
A
C
E
B
All
right
item
number
18
is
a
request
for
two
variances
that
would
allow
for
retention
of
a
and
I
guess
off
street
parking
lot
and
storage
area.
That's
within
ten
feet
of
the
east
of
the
front
property
line
along
East
Madison
Avenue.
Subject:
property
is
located
on
the
south
side
of
East
Madison
just
to
the
east
of
the
East
14th
corridor.
It's
in
an
area,
that's
zoned
m1
and
contains
several
industrial
uses.
The
subject
property
is
actually
an
expansion
of
the
business
that
is
on
the
property
immediately
to
the
west.
B
The
city
received
a
complaint
earlier
this
year
that
it
had
been
expanded
without
the
required
site
plan.
So
when
the
zoning
inspector
looked
at
it
that
he
found
this
was
the
aerial
view
from
2014.
You
can
see
this
area
was
graveled
and
generally
and
then
become
2018.
It's
been
completely
surfaced
with
asphalt,
millings
at
which
I
understand.
B
It
is
an
improvement
over
what
was
there,
but
when
they
put
the
asphalt
millings
down,
they
should
have
came
in
for
a
site
plan
and
would
have
had
to
comply
with
landscaping
and
all
those
requirements
at
that
time
and
I
would
point
out
that
they've
put
the
asphalt
millings
right
up
to
their
front
property
line.
You
can
barely
see
it.
They've
put
a
fence
around
the
perimeter
they're
proposing
to
pull
the
parking
area
ten
feet
back
so
that
it
would
line
up
with
the
existing
paved
parking
lot
on
their
property
immediately
to
the
east.
B
I'm
sorry
to
the
west,
as
I
mentioned,
they
were
sited
back
in
August
of
this
year
for
expanding
the
use
without
a
cyclin.
Here
are
some
photos
that
the
applicant
submitted.
This
shows
the
new
asphalt
millings
that
are
there
today
on
that
expansion
area.
This
shows
the
existing
site,
and
then
this
expansion
area-
you
can
see
where
it
goes
from
paving
to
the
millings.
B
The
applicant
explained
those
so
here
are
the
photos
that
the
staff
took
earlier.
This
week
looks
like
maybe
this
soon
as
this
morning,
let's
show
what
the
site
looks
like
you
can
see.
The
vehicles
are
parked
orderly.
Again
they
have
this
fence
around
the
perimeter.
Their
dumpster
right
now
is
located
here
right
off
East
Madison
Avenue,
but
they
are
intending
to
move
it
further
south
onto
the
site
and.
B
To
the
back
so
again
from
here
over,
it
was
the
existing
parking
lot,
and
this
is
what
they're
proposing
to
do
again.
They'd
pulled
the
millings
back
ten
feet
from
the
front
property
line
along
East
Madison,
the
area
where
that
dumpster
is
located
that
concrete
pad.
They
would
retain
that.
But
then
they
would
have
this
driveway
through
here
and
then
they
would
relocate
the
dumpster
to
this
rear
portion
of
the
property.
E
B
O
B
The
consent
map
we
just
had
two
cards
and
support.
One
part
owns
both
of
these
parcels.
Here
the
staff
has
recommended
denial.
We
feel
that
it
would
be
appropriate
to
maintain
both
the
required
setback
and
to
provide
the
minimum
required
paving
material,
and
we
don't
feel
that
they've
demonstrated
the
hardship
need
to
do
granted
variances.
So
we
have
recommended
denial
again:
it's
not
the
the
use
is
allowed
by
right.
It's
just.
They
would
have
to
maintain
the
setback
and
paving
any
questions
for
me.
So.
B
A
B
F
F
F
It
looks
to
me,
like
he
put
the
drive
aisle
through
there
to
get
to
the
dumpster
right
right.
That's
a
dead
end
of
a
dumpster
in
that
drawing
isn't
it
mm-hmm
yeah,
so
I'm
just
saying
if
he
moved
it
back:
okay
and
I'm
not
trying
to
design
this
for
him
I'm
just
trying
to
get
some
clarification,
he
could
move
the
dumpster
back
20
feet,
/
25
feet
from
where
it
is
pave
it,
and
as
long
as
it
was
shielded
correctly,
he
would
be
with
in
compliance
well.
B
He
would
still
need
a
paved
maneuvering
aisle
through
the
storage
area.
If
he
was
using
the
storage
area
to
store
trailers
or
vehicles,
he
would
still
need
the
paved
drive
aisle
to
provide
maneuvering
with
in
the
storage
area.
I
get
what
you're
saying
that
he
would
only
have
to
pave
back
25
feet
to
provide
the
paved
access
to
the
dumpster,
but
he
would
still
have
to
provide
some
sort
of
so.
E
B
A
F
F
B
F
E
A
B
A
Q
Hi,
my
name
is
Tim
Lippert
I'm,
the
owner
of
Jim
hilarious
transmissions,
I
purchased
the
property
off
of
my
father
back
in
2010
who
he
was
the
owner
for
property
since
1976,
and
obviously
I
have
tried
to
do
some
things.
You
know
to
make
the
property
more
curb
appeal,
I
guess
so
to
speak.
You
know,
obviously,
it's
big
in
business
to
make
sure
your
property
looks
good
I,
try
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
squeaky
clean
within
my
property.
I
wish
I
could
say
some
more
about
my
neighbors
doing
the
same
things
as
well.
Q
S
Q
One
of
them
was
the
fence
company
yeah
that
with
that
being
said,
also
the
guys
that
did
the
mailings
told
me
this,
since
there
was
already
millings
there,
it
was
grandfathered
in
and
I
didn't
have
to
have
a
permit
for
that.
So
I
put
my
faith
into
them,
believing
that
they
were
telling
me
the
truth.
Q
Unfortunately,
now
I
find
out
that
it's
not
obviously
I'm
frustrated
with
that
I
felt
that
what
I
was
doing
with
my
business
was
nothing
more
than
making
it
better
for
me,
and
you
know
the
whole
reason
that
we
bought
this
property
back
in
1997
was
we
were
going
to
expand
the
business?
The
business
is
doing
extremely
well
matter
of
fact,
I
even
actually
do
work
for
the
city
in
Des
Moines,
so
you
know
I'm
doing
a
great
thing
for
the
city
on
doing
a
great
thing
for
Polk
County.
Q
They
are
especially
those
in
the
shop
right
now
so
and
anyway,
you
know
I
I.
Try
to
do
I
think
the
best
thing
that
possibly
can
and
I
do
know
those
violations,
the
dumpsters
within
violation,
I
know
the
fence.
Now
it
was
was
not
in
violation.
I
do
know
the
concrete
slab
and
the
sidewalk
was
okay.
I
know
that
was
done
correctly
and
I'm
kind
of
a
victim
of
a
scrupulous
two
individuals
and
I
feel
bad
about
that,
because
that's
not
how
I
run
business.
Q
Anybody
knows
our
reputation
knows
what
we
do
and
I
try
to
uphold
that
now.
Some
of
the
things
that
had
brought
me
here
today
was
there's
some
individuals
that
thought
that
my
property
was
causing
the
water
damage
to
their
property
and
I
wanted
Bert
to
take
some
pictures
for
these
over
here
and
one
of
the
pictures
in
which
I
want
to
show
here.
Q
Q
One
of
the
pictures
here
I
wanted
to
show
everybody
that's
kind
of
backwards
from
what
you're
doing
isn't
it?
If
you
look
at
this
picture
that
the
building
over
on
the
right
over
here
is
Crawford
trucking,
if
you
take
a
look
real
close
I
know
the
pictures,
don't
do
it
great
because
it
was
from
a
cell
phone.
Q
This
wasn't
a
driving
down
rainstorm,
okay,
it
was
early
in
the
morning
when
I
took
this
picture
and
if
you
look
at
the
downspouts
on
here,
if
you
look
at
this
particular
downspout
right
there,
it's
not
even
hooked
up.
If
you
look
at
the
tubing
that
he
actually
has
where
it
runs,
you
can
see
the
water
back
up
over
here.
In
this,
you
know,
through
gravitational
pull
I,
can't
change
that
the
way
water
runs.
Q
S
A
Q
And
not
yours,
looking
at
his
own
by
Robert
creamy,
and
then,
though,
this
property
back
over
here
is
owned
by
Bob
Schneider
Schneider
custom,
a
staccato,
good,
okay,
yeah
and
now,
when
I
took
some
of
these
pictures
and
the
reason
I
wanted
to
show
this
cuz
like
I,
don't
I
I
thought
that
if
three
business
owners
could
have
got
together
and
decided,
you
know
let's
try
to
figure
this
out.
Okay,
it's
not
just
my
fault.
Okay,
I'll.
Q
Take
blame
that
I'm,
a
violator
I
will
take
that
blame,
but
I
don't
believe
this
is
all
my
fault.
So
I
took
this
picture
into
driving
down
rain,
so
you
can
clearly
see-
and
this
is
on
Madison
Avenue
I'm,
looking
back
south
towards
London
and
the
building
in
the
back
is
Crawford
trucking.
You
can
see
the
water.
This
is
all
dirt
by
the
way.
Q
So
the
water
is
running
down
toward
the
south
from
north
to
south,
and
this
is
just
another
picture
that
shows
you
a
little
bit
more,
that
it
is
the
same
way
and
so
what
I
wanted
to
do?
This
is
actually
when
I
was
like.
We
are
we
early
in
the
morning
and
the
water.
You
can
see
the
water
here
just
trickles
down
that
way.
Q
One
of
the
things
I
wanted.
Everybody
will
see
too.
If
you
look
at
this
picture
here,
this
is
Snyder.
Custom
motto
he's
got
downspouts
right
here
that
our
production
out
water
and
there's
also,
you
know
a
drainage
tile
system
going
clear
to
the
back
back
here-
and
this
is
all
puddled
up
back
here,
where
all
these
tubes
are
coming
out.
So
this
water
is,
you
know,
forcing
its
way
from
east
to
west
at
this
point
in
time.
Q
So
you
know
with
with
some
of
the
stuff
that,
if
you
look
at
my
property
and
I
I,
think
that
clearly
showing
that
some
of
these
pictures
here
that
I
had
birth,
the
show
is
the
the
millings
absorb
the
water
very
well.
They
they
they
do
a
very
good
job.
This
is
when,
when
I
took
some
of
these
other
pictures
of
this
that
are
on
here,
this
is
when
it's
pouring
down
rain
and
it's
absorbing
that
water
very
well
and
my
property
actually
sits
up
higher
over
there
back
in
the
corner.
Q
Q
Right
there
that
this
is
all
coming,
you
know
back
from
here
and
down
here
now.
There
was
a
couple
other
pictures
here
that
I
didn't
get
bird
I
apologize
for
that
I
actually
have
them
on
my
phone,
but
the
thing
is,
you
know,
I'm
willing
to
do
what
I
need
to
do
as
far
as
you
know,
correcting
the
dumpster.
Q
Basically,
you
know
putting
a
basic
curb
over
here
on
the
backside.
To
try
to
you
know,
retain
the
water
from
going
over
top
of
it
and
I.
Don't
believe
that's
doing
that
anyway,
but
that's
what
I
proposed
the
proposed
paved
aisle
that
they're
requiring
of
me
as
I
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
You
know
the
business
that
I
have
is
booming,
I'm,
growing
I'm,
trying
to
get
bigger
and
bigger
the
purpose
of
that
property
was
I'm
trying
to
build
on
to
it.
Q
That's
what
that
property
was
acquired,
for
it
wasn't
for
storage,
what
we
use
it
for
now
now.
Currently,
the
parking
is
over
here,
where
you
see
in
the
pictures
on
the
overhead
the
paved
that's
where
we
park
the
cars
when
they're
finished.
We
put
them
over
in
storage,
I
like
to
call
it
the
bullpen
and
the
reason
I
put
the
fence
up
is
because
there's
a
high
crime
rate
crime
rate
of
people,
stealing
cattle
light
converters.
Q
Obviously
you
probably
know
and
have
heard
of
that
so
I
try
to
protect
the
cars
and
vehicles
that
I
have
putting
them
over
in
storage
until
they're
picked
up
and
that's
solely
right
now.
What
that's
used
for,
but
the
main
purpose
of
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
I'm
trying
to
build
on
and
add
on
to
the
building
and
make
it
bigger.
So
I
can
get
more
vehicles
in
so
I
get
more
tax
dollars
to
the
city
time.
Q
So,
in
essence,
this
is
what
the
property
this
is.
My
goal
is
not
to
spend
a
ton
of
money
on
trying
to
correct
this,
because
I
actually
have
another
alternative
to
the
dumpster
I
actually
have
in
the
corner
of
my
building.
I
have
where
I
put
transmissions
and
I'm-
probably
one
of
the
few
transmission
shops
in
Des
Moines
that
carry
a
hundred
transmissions
in
stock
at
all
times.
So
I
can
actually
take
that
dumpster
and
put
it
inside
there
and
then
the
the
the
truck
can
come
up
and
he
can
you
know,
get
it.
Q
Q
That
up
for
him
and
he
can
get
it
dumped
and
he
can
leave
and
the
dumpster
will
go
back
in
if
I
have
to
do
that.
That's
what
I
have
to
do,
but
I
don't
want
it.
My
ideas,
I,
don't
want
to
spend
a
ton
of
money
here
on
this,
because
my
proposed
business
future
is
to
build
a
building,
and
then
you
know
that
will
be
all
be
addressed
at
that
point
in
time.
You
know
with
it
with
the
engineering
and
what
had
yet
I'm.
Q
A
A
D
Q
E
F
Q
Q
Q
This
way,
I
feel
it's
already
high
enough
now,
I
did
when
I
did
this
I
put
it
up
high
enough,
but
through
settling
and
through
the
couple
you
know
four
or
five
years,
it's
dropped
down
a
little
bit.
I
mean
I.
Obviously,
I
can't
help
that,
but
I
could
certainly
bring
into
more
millings
to
change
that
again.
I.
M
M
Q
Building
could
come
within
the
next
year.
Obviously
the
money
is
there.
I've
had
a
very
good
year,
I've
had
it
since
I
bought
the
business
in
2010.
It's
been
nothing
but
booming
and,
to
be
perfectly
honest
with
when
I've
seen
some
of
the
violations
on
there
when
I
seen
it
said,
debris
and
junk
cars
and
and
this
and
that
I'm
sitting
here
and
I
understand,
that's
just
wording,
but
you
know
I
take
that
personal,
because
I
don't
see
that
in
my
shop
you
can
walk
in
my
shop.
I
get
a
lot
of
people.
M
A
T
E
E
T
Office
which
I
had
to
spend
$800
to
have
a
vacuumed
out
right
here,
all
the
water
from
this
area.
This
area
runs
right
into
my
office
and
it's
pretty
costly
for
us
at
Crawford,
so
I'm
kind
of
opposed
I
want
him
to
do
a
great
plan
to
where
it
raises
up
the
asphalt
millings.
So
it's
not
you.
Have
you
been
there?
Have
you
seen?
Well,
it's
it's
higher
in
the
front
and
comes
right
back
to
my
office
and
he's
about
six
inches
higher
than
my
office
on
those
mailings.
So.
F
T
S
A
S
A
B
I
A
A
A
Just
trying
to
find
a
way,
you
know
and
I'm
not
saying
I,
agree
or
disagree
that
his
own
water
is
impacting
everybody
else,
we're
not
a
stormwater
board,
but
if
we
do
have
paving
or
compacted
materials
right
up
to
a
property
line,
I
could
certainly
see
there's
no
room
for
stormwater
on
site
to
have
a
chance
to
infiltrate.
You
know,
potentially
before
it
leaves
property
yeah.
M
A
B
B
S
A
Out,
okay,
all
right
anything
else
for
Bert,
okay,
Tim
I
want
to
drag
this
out
any
longer
than
you
would
like
to
before.
We
get
to
our
decision-making,
but
since
somebody
spoke
in
opposition,
you
can
have
two.
You
can
have
up
to
three
minutes
for
a
rebuttal
if
you'd
like
you've
waited
patiently
so
we'll
give
that.
Q
Q
When
you
look
at
this
picture,
it
clearly
is
proof
in
the
pudding
to
me.
This
tube
right
here
that
you're
seeing
right
here
running
behind
these
sandbags
are
coming
from
the
end
of
the
building
and
that
that
tubing
is
coming
from
around
the
his
water
is
running
from
that
side.
Going
back
over
here
to.
Q
It's
still
a
storm
water.
You
know
coming
from
the
roof
of
the
building
from
coming
back
here
and
then
this
one
tube
back
here
is
not
even
hooked
up.
It's
it's
clearly
off
of
there.
So
I
really
believe
that
they're
happy
to
have
their
own
problem
too
as
well,
and
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
If
it's,
if
it's
a
big
issue,
what
you
have
to
do
is
you
have
to
like
I
did
I'm
one
of
the
end
of
my
building
and
so
running
it
from
the
back.
I
ran
it
to
the
front
yeah.
Q
A
F
B
F
B
F
Well,
if
he's
got
plans
to
add
on
to
this
building
and
he's
gonna,
then
that's
gonna
dictate
a
site
plan
we're
seeking
to
dictate
concrete
yeah.
It
looks
to
me
like,
and
that
sounds
like
it
could
happen
sooner
than
later,
so
I'm
gonna
give
him
the
benefit
of
the
doubt
based
on
one.
It
looks
extremely
neat
from
and
tidy
from
here
for
the
kind
of
work
he
does
I've
been
inside
of
it.
I
T
F
Moves
the
dumpster
inside
he's
got
green
space.
Now,
whether
he
wants
you
want
to
call
that
parking
storage,
whatever
I
say:
let's
leave
the
millings
alone,
and
let's
let
this
thing:
let's
give
this
guy
some
runway,
so
he
can
get
his
business
I
agree
to
gird
out
with
with
with
an
addition,
that's
gonna
dictate
a
site
plan
which
is
gonna
dictate
concrete,
which
is
gonna
dictate.
D
F
An
engineer
so
I
can't
even
pretend
to
think
about
addressing
that,
but
I
would
be
inclined
to
make
a
motion
for
something
similar
to
that
and
I'm
open
to
what
anyone
else
has
to
say
from
a
suggestion
standpoint.
But
he's
done
a
some
pretty
nice
work
here
relative
to
what
I
can
even
see
around
the
area
with
the
neighbors.
A
And
I'm
sure
Tim
is
kicking
himself,
that
you
know
I'm
surprised
your
own
radar
didn't
go
off
that
gee
I
had
this
existing
curb
that
your
your
dad
had
put
down
and
then
you're
bumping
your
neighboring
property
out
further,
but
if
we
gave
him
the
variance
he's
requested,
the
first
variance
is
that
15
feet
less
than
the
25
foot
and
that
would
allow
those
two
curb
lines
to
match
up.
That's
that's
your
first
thing
right,
David.
C
A
F
A
He
plans
to
build
a
new
building.
Do
you
want
to
give
him
some
length
of
time
that
we
would
grant
a
temporary
variance
a
couple
years
or
because
again,
we
kind
of
had
a
case
like
earlier
today?
Each
case
has
its
own
merits,
but
if
he's
saying
I
want
to
expand,
my
business
and
I'll
need
to
meet
site
plan
anyway.
Well,
30
years
from
now.
F
F
M
M
Home-Based
businesses
that
may
or
may
not
have
permits
just
looking
at
the
way
he's
been
handling
his
business
and
the
education
he's
received
today.
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
put
a
time
frame
on
it.
We're
not
gonna
have
to
be
28
months.
I
am
fine
without
it
without
a
time
limit,
just
based
on
what
I've
seen
and
what
I've
heard
and
the
water
through
that
place
can't
be
just
from
this
one
lot,
because
there's
a
bigger
thing,
I
think
it
has
to
be
something
behind
that
green
building.
A
G
M
M
So
run
with
motion
either.
D
I
would
just
if
I
could
interject
and
just
say
that,
in
terms
of
the
timeline,
though,
I
do
think
it's
important
to
have
sort
of
a
backstop
I
mean
it
sounds
like
from
the
applicant
that
he's
pretty
he's
pretty
gung-ho
and
getting
something
going
in
the
next
year
in
terms
of
maybe
expanding,
so
I
think
I.
Think
I
would
agree
with
Dave
here
in
terms
of
the
two
year
two
to
keep
that
in
the
motion.
I.
M
D
M
M
We
allow
the
milling
and
I
would
like
to
give
him
three
years,
because
you
know
we
have
elections
coming
up
and
climate
can
change
for
financing
and
stuff
for
owners,
banking
regulations
and
stuff
I've
been
through
enough
of
that
with
my
real
estate.
Thing
sometimes
think,
can
throw
anything
so
I'm
gonna
give
him
three
years
to
and
onto
the
building
or
do
something
with
the
lot.
That's.
L
A
A
S
A
S
B
A
A
A
Make
a
motion
and
vote
because
they
were
part
of
the
hearing.
So
would
there
be
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
motion
by
Marlys?
Second
by
me,
all
those
in
favor
who
were
here
last
month
raise
your
right
hands
say:
aye
hi
motion
carries
Phi
of
0.
Those
present
have
been
noted.
Okay.
That
concludes.
B
To
mention
that
the
last
item
on
the
agenda
next
month
is
going
to
be
a
kind
of
a
staff
presentation
on
the
new
zoning
ordinance,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
long
the
agenda
will
be
for
the
December
18th
meeting.
But
the
last
item
on
there
is
going
to
be
presentation.
I
think
Glenn
is
going
to
come
back
and
help
do
some
sort
of
training
for
the
board.
Just
to
familiarize
you
with
the
new
code
that
you'll
start
using
for
the
January
meeting.
D
A
M
B
A
Glenn
is
very
efficient.
We
all
know
that
or
her
I
I
guess
we
could
have
an
opening
crack
at
it,
but
it
may
be
down
the
line.
You
know,
and
you
know
we
will
have
an
election
in
December.
So
if
anything
else
would
change,
we
may
need
some
more
board
training
in
general.
You
know
down
the
line
so
yeah
we
just
haven't
done
it
for
a
long
time.
Yeah.
A
And-
and
we
did
that
with
us
just
in
here
last
week
as
well-
but
still
sometimes
it's
good
to
reinforce
some
concepts
and
and
curveballs,
which
we
all
deal
with
here.
So
okay
well
we'll
be
ready
for
next
month
and
will
at
least
give
it
a
crack
and
see
you.
Okay,
all
right!
This
hearing
is
adjourned
and
I
wanted
my
job
to
come
down
to
San
Betty's.