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Des Moines City Council meeting via teleconference on Monday, Sept. 14, 2020.
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A
B
All
right,
I
want
to
welcome
everybody
to
our
september
14th
des
moines
city
council
meeting
prior
to
our
council
meeting
this
evening.
We're
going
to
have
a
quick
proclamation
about
welcoming
week
and
welcoming
week
throughout
the
nation.
This
week,
communities
are
bringing
together
immigrants
and
those
born
within
their
countries,
in
a
spirit
of
unity,
to
build
strong
connections
across
their
communities
and
affirm
the
benefits
of
welcoming
everyone
and
whereas
des
moines
is
home
to
people
of
all
backgrounds,
including
those
who
were
not
born
in
the
united
states.
B
Are
a
vital
part
of
our
community,
along
with
our
long-time
residents,
bringing
ideas
starting
businesses
serving
in
civic
roles,
working
in
critical
industries
and
contributing
to
the
vibrant
diversity
that
we
value
and
whereas
to
capitalize
on
diversity
as
an
asset
des
moines
must
strive
to
create
a
culture
and
policies
that
ensure
everyone
can
belong
and
thrive,
which
includes
addressing
disparities,
countering
hate,
understanding,
history
and
helping
nader
neighbors
come
together
and
whereas,
regardless
of
where
we
are
born
or
how
we.
B
Now,
therefore,
I
frank
county,
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
des
moines,
to
hereby
proclaim
the
week
of
september
12th
to
20th
2020,
is
welcoming
week
and
encourage
all
residents
to
celebrate
our
diverse
heritage
and
culture
and
continue
our
efforts
to
create
a
world
that
is
more
just
compassionate
and
equitable
for
all,
and
we
urge
all
of
our
citizens
to
join
us
in
this
and
so
welcome
to
welcoming
week
every
everybody-
and
this
is
a
great
partnership
that
we
have
in
our
community.
B
Let's
call
our
des
moines
city
council
meeting
for
september
14th
to
order
this
is
welcoming
week
and
let's
begin
this
by
having
the
clerk
call
roll.
Please.
A
B
Item
two
is
approving
the
agenda
as
presented
and
or
as
amended
say
that
on
the
consent
agenda,
items
3
through
71
5
is
amended
and
adds
a
new
application
for
hazel
smoke
and
vape
26i
was
added
a
disappointment
by
the
mayor
to
the
access
advisory
board
and
item
73
was
withdrawn
by
the
city
manager
to
be
brought
back
at
a
later
date.
And
I
understand
that
there
is
another
change.
D
Yeah
item
74
ii-
I
I
think
item
74
2a
can
be
moved
to
the
consent
agenda
and
then
b
and
c
can
be
withdrawn,
based
on
the
information
that
the
city
managers
has
provided,
and
rather
than,
rather
than
speak
on
it
I'll
I'll,
just
post.
Some
of
my
thoughts
on
on
my
social
media
later
today.
B
G
B
Is
there
a
item
on
here
to
appoint
kitty
nauer
to
the
to
the
board.
B
Okay,
well,
I
had
I
thought,
given
it
last
last
week,
so.
A
And
we
do
have
the
youth
person
as
well
and
that
application
was
coming
in
this
afternoon.
So
we
will
have
a
full
committee
by
the
next
agenda.
C
I
C
E
B
E
B
K
J
L
E
A
J
B
For
the
youth,
all
right
joe
with
those,
is
that
your
motion.
E
Yes,
I'd
like
to
include
both
of
those
with
the
appropriate
applications
put
in
and
with
josh's
changes,
and
I
will
move
item
two.
Please.
B
All
right
pull
the
council.
N
B
B
I
don't
see
k
well,
wait
a
minute
item
five.
I
vote
no
item:
38,
council,
member
gray,
votes,
no
item;
39,
council,
member
gray,
votes,
no
item;
69
council
member
westergard
wishes
to
speak
in
item
69.
Also
councilmember
gato
votes.
No,
and
with
those
could
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
the.
A
M
C
A
O
A
M
I
I
think
that
we
owe
it
to
the
people
out
there
that
are
trying
to
get
in
to
at
least
announce
on
here
that
they
can't
there
is
a
way
to
get
in.
If
you
go
to
zoom,
add
a
meeting
and
then
add
our
id
and
the
password.
That's
on
the
link
on
the
on
the
city
website.
Then
then
they
should
be
able
to
get
in.
B
All
right
so
linda,
let's
go
ahead
and
we've
got
a
motion
and
to
to
move
this.
Let's
vote
this
and
then
let's
watch
the
video
and
hopefully
we
can
get
it
fixed.
M
B
Only
on
youtube
yeah
and
of
course
they
can
see
it
on
youtube
to.
B
Right
so
they
can,
they
can
view
it
on
youtube
and
we'll
see.
We've
got
a
hundred
and
some
on
the
on
the
zoom
meeting
and
but
for
those
that
would
like
to
watch.
You
can
watch
on
youtube
des
moines
city
council.
We
have
a
motion
to
move
the
consent
agenda.
F
O
A
B
All
right,
let's
take
a
moment
right
now,
we've
got
some
great
work.
That's
being
done,
I
think,
in
partnership
with
the
school
district
on
the
week's
middle
school
playground
and
I'd
like
to
have
ben
page
in
parks,
department
quickly
turn
it
over
to
you
guys
and
let's
watch
the
the
video
of
this
build.
N
P
C
P
P
This
is
the
second
year
in
a
row
where
the
des
moines
police
department
has
come
in
and
volunteered
off
during
their
time
to
build
a
playground.
The
first
being
evelyn
k,
davis
now
at
weeks
middle
school
and
why
that's
newsworthy
is
a
playground.
Cost
sometimes
includes
the
installation
which
is
most
of
the
time
and
that's
anywhere
from
thirty
to
fifty
percent
of
the
cost.
P
So,
as
you
can
see,
finding
volunteers
to
build,
the
playground
allows
us
not
to
choose
cookie
cutter
playgrounds
but
to
go
out
and
purchase
iconic
playgrounds
that
a
neighbor
can
have
for
their
own
and
be
proud
of.
So
without
further
ado.
I'll
play
the
video
here
to
kind
of
see
the
day
and
how
what.
E
E
B
E
Ahead
first
off
I
just
want
to.
I
want
to
thank
ben
and
his
team
for
making
making
this
happen.
We
we've
had
a
lot
of
partners
in
this,
especially
the
school
bill.
Good
was
instrumental
in
getting
us
some
property
that
we
needed
for
the
walking
dead
around
the
world.
E
In
polk
county,
the
polk
county
supervisors
helped
us
with
a
piece
of
land
to
do
that,
so
a
special
thanks
to
all
of
them
des
moines
pd
worked
with
this
all
day.
I
know
connie
and
carl
had
came
out
to
help
it
was.
It
was
amazing
to
roll
our
sleeves
up
and
be
able
to
put
together
this.
This
is
amazing
thing
for
this
area.
E
It's
it's
it's
well
overdue,
and,
and
I'm
glad
that
to
be
a
part
of
it,
I'm
glad
that
we
were
able
to
get
it
completed
and
be
happy
to
see
it
open
and
see
kids
playing
in
it
and
seeing
people
walk
around
the
trail
that
we've
got
out
back
and
then
redoing
the
soccer
fields
that
are
going
to
be
back
there
and
just
getting
the
full
use
of
what
it
needs
to
be
done.
J
Yeah
joe,
I
just
want
to
having
been
there
to
see
the
complexity
of
this
playground
and
how
it
came
together.
It
was
not
easy,
so
I
think
everybody
in
the
police
department
who
came
out
and
for
ben
and
his
staff
who
helped
try
to
guide
people
like
me
on
putting
things
together.
It's
gonna
be
a
great
amenity
for
that
neighborhood
people
were
already
using
the
walking
trail,
which
was
great
to
see,
and
I
think
for
the
kids
too,
since
they
were
the
integral
part
in
helping
put
it
together.
It'll
be
well
used.
B
And
and
ben.
Thank
you
again
I'll
a
second.
What
everybody
else
has
said:
we've
done
this
work
all
over
town,
and
I
know
ben
your
plan
is
to
get
every
neighborhood
and
every
citizen
within
a
10-minute
walk
of
a
of
a
park,
and
if
you
could
speak
to
that
for
about
15
seconds,
that'd
be
great.
P
Thank
you
mayor
what
we're
doing
now,
with
mayors
across
the
nation,
as
we've
signed
on
to
the
trust
for
public
lands,
goal
of
making
sure
all
of
our
residents
in
des
moines
have
equal
and
equitable
access
to
parks
and
we've
looked
at
the
city,
and
we
know
that
this
is
the
largest
first
gap,
but
there's
many
more
gaps
to
come
to
fill
over
time.
P
So
we're
going
to
continue
to
work
with
the
park,
recreation
board,
the
neighborhood
associations,
the
general
public
and,
of
course,
the
city
council
mayor
and
our
city
manager's
office
to
prioritize
filling
those
gaps
over
the
next
many
years.
I
want
to
thank
the
mayor
for
his
pledge
and
we'll
continue
to
work
hard
to
make
this
happen.
B
Okay:
let's
go
ahead
and
move
forward
and
for
those
of
you
watching
either
on
youtube
city
of
des
moines
live
or
if
you
want
to
try
to
join
it's
zoom
dot.
Us
backslash,
join
and
select,
join
a
meeting,
and
your
meeting
id
is.
B
Yep,
so
for
those
of
you
that
were
somewhat
frustrated
early
on,
we
believe
that
we
have
it
repaired
at
this
moment.
So
with
that,
let's
go
ahead
and
move
forward
connie.
I
think
you've
got
the
first
item
to
quickly
speak
on.
This.
Is
a
board
commission
neighborhoods,
a
recertification
of
recognized
neighborhoods
for
2021..
J
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up,
I
think
if
we
could
get
the
criteria
too,
that
we
use
to
do
recertification
and
it
brings
up
a
concern
too,
of
mine
for
all
the
neighborhoods.
With
being
this
with
a
coveteer
with
being
off.
J
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
maybe
look
as
a
council
on
how
we
can
re
or
kind
of
help,
support
and
what
we
can
put
in
place
that
will
be
keeping
everybody
current
with
their
bylaws
and
their
elections,
and
things
like
that
and
what
we
can
do
to
help
strengthen
all
of
our
neighborhoods,
because,
with
this
kind
of
time
out
that
a
lot
of
them
are
having,
I
think
we're
gonna.
They're
gonna
need
that
support.
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
and
with
that
I'll
move,
number
25.
B
All
right,
the
item
has
been
moved.
Would
you
pull
the
council
please.
B
All
right
that
takes
us
to
item
69,
adam
nine
is
amending
chapter
26
by
adding
and
enacting
a
new
section
26-909
relating
to
energy
and
water
use
benchmarking,
civil
penalty
penalties,
linda.
This
is
your
item.
M
Yes,
this
is,
I
wanted
to
pull
this
off,
so
we
could
have
further
discussion.
We've
had
two
readings
on
it
without
any
without
much
discussion.
I
think
it's
time
that
we
that
we
do
have
a
discussion
about
this
I'm
very
concerned.
I
know
that
one
of
the
questions
that
one
of
the
council
members
asked
was:
you
know
the
sustainability,
I'm
looking
at
an
email
that
was
sent
out
to
one
of
the
members.
That
said,
I
would
strongly
advise
against
opting
to
pay
the
fee.
M
You
will
eventually
need
services
from
the
city,
whether
it
be
a
permit
or
something
else
which
likely
then
would
not
be
granted
I'd
like
an
explanation
about
why
somebody
in
the
sustainability
department
can
make
that
decision
when
it
was
never
discussed
with
counsel.
I
remember
when
this
was
put
in
place.
It
was
an
optional
ordinance
that
a
a
business
owner
could
decide
to
do
or
not.
Do
they
didn't
do
it?
They
would
pay
the
fine.
Now
we
want
to
add
civil
penalties
on
it.
M
M
I've
got
an
email
that
I'm
looking
at
where
they
said
you
know
it's,
it's
not
their
help
is
non-existent.
Another
company
that
we
said
would
help
do
it
does
not
do
that
kind
of
business.
So
we've
just
got
lots
of
issues
with
this
ordinance,
and
I
would
just
ask
that
we
hold
off
on
passing
this
at
the
third
reading
until
we
can
get
it
right
and
you
know
a
building
owner,
and
this
is
really
targeted
for
apartment
people
and
and
it's
costing
them
a
lot
of
money.
M
I
think
we're
going
to
hear
from
a
couple
of
apartment
owners,
I
hope
they're
able
to
get
on
that,
will
tell
you
all
the
reasons
why
it
doesn't
work.
So
that's
why
I
pulled
it.
D
Yeah,
mr
mayor,
if
I
could
please
so
you
know,
we've
we've
discussed
this
ordinance
a
number
of
times,
and
I
mean
one.
I
think
it's
important
to
be
clear
what
we're
actually
voting
on
tonight
in
this
in
this
reading,
and
it's
not
the
full
ordinance.
The
full
ordinance
was
passed
and
we
had
administrative
fees
only
in
the
case
of
people
who
chose
not
to
comply
with
the
ordinance
and
those
administrative
fees
are
300
well
to
be
able
to
collect
an
administrative
fee.
D
You
need
a
civil
action
as
well,
and
we
accidentally
left
that
out
of
the
original
ordinance,
it
would
have
been
in
the
original
ordinance,
if
not
for
an
oversight,
but
without
that
civil
penalty,
the
city
has
no
way
to
collect
the
administrative
fee,
and
if
someone
is
not
complying
and
incurs
the
administrative
fee
by
not
complying,
it's
unlikely
that
without
further
action
they
are
going
to
voluntarily
pay
that
fee.
That
is
all
that
we
are
doing
we're
not
revisiting
the
entirety
of
this
ordinance.
D
Now
that
said,
one
of
the
things
that
is
is
actually
impressive,
at
least
in
my
in
my
opinion,
is
the
success
that
we
have
already
had
with
this
ordinance,
and
that
goes
partly
to
the
good
work
that
our
staff
has
done
to
provide
assistance.
We
have
had
72
percent
compliance
in
the
first
year
of
our
program.
D
D
So
we've
gotten
very
good
compliance
for
our
first
year
and
that's
due
to
the
work
of
staff
and
the
technical
assistance.
Now
absolutely
we
can
keep
improving.
We
want
folks
to
participate.
We
want
to
make
this
possible
and
easy
for
folks
to
connect
their
collect
their
information
and
to
benchmark
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
was
we
worked
with
both
mid-american
and
des
moines
water
works
so
that
if
you
are
a
multi-family
apartment
building,
you
can
get
aggregate
data.
You
don't
have
to
get
data
for
each
individual
unit.
D
You
can
get
aggregate
data
just
by
filling
out
a
form
that
we
have
linked
to
our
website,
and
I
know
that
there
are
groups
out
there
that
are
providing
or
are
willing
to
to
take
that
data
and
to
actually
enter
everything
in
and
provide
that
for
you
for
a
service
cost
that
is
less
than
the
fee
that
that
we
have
as
a
as
an
administrative
fee
that
the
city
is
imposing.
D
B
L
B
Point
linda:
we
could
take
a
few
minutes
here
and
allow
a
few
of
our
public
to
speak,
but
I
will
remind
anybody
that
speaks
that
they
have
to
be
germaine
to
this
issue
and
yeah,
which
essentially
is
the
fee.
Yes,
because,
as
was
pointed
out,
the
ordinance
has
already
been
passed.
C
B
Speak:
okay,
let's,
okay,
let's
start
with
the
first
one,
with
their
handout.
B
Should
we
say
two
minutes
each
sure
console
yeah?
Is
everybody
okay
with
two
often
it's
we
only
do
one,
but
with
just
eight
let's
or
are
you
okay
with
two.
Q
Q
First
of
all,
let
me
thank
you
linda
for
reading
that
when
I
saw
that
email,
I
was
pretty
shocked
for
a
city
staff
member
out
of
this
department
to
make
a
threat
of
withholding
other
city
services
totally
unrelated
to
benchmarking
is
just
unconscionable,
and
I
just
don't
understand
how
that
is
at
all
acceptable
and
and
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
we've
had
here
from
the
start.
Josh
just
mentioned
that
the
reason
we're
sitting
here
today
is
because
there
was
an
error
made.
Q
That
makes
absolutely
no
sense
to
me
and
in
terms
of
success,
councilman
amanda
bomb
that
you
just
stated
two
weeks
ago,
the
number
was
fifty
percent
and-
and
it
was
fifty
percent
overall
compliance
with
the
program
for
the
first
year,
but
only
twenty
nine
percent
of
that
was
multi-family
owners.
That
should
speak
very
loudly
to
everybody.
That
says
it's
harder
for
multi-family
owners
and
they
don't
see
the
value
in
it
and
to
be
able
to
for
sustainability
that
department
to
pick
and
choose
and
make
these
threats.
I
just
can't
understand
it.
B
All
right,
jb
we've
got
seven
more,
let's
go
ahead
and
get.
B
O
R
Mayor
county
members
of
the
council,
jeff
hatfield-
I
am
president
of
building
owners
and
managers
association
of
iowa.
This
year
we
have
170
members.
Our
170
members
can't
agree
on
whether
the
sky
is
blue,
but
we
are
unanimous
that
this
energy
initiative
that
started
off
as
a.
R
Participatory
voluntary
all
that
stuff
we've
been
going
these
meetings
for
three
years.
What
and
you've
asked
mayor
to
stay
to
the
fines
so
we'll
start
there.
We
understand
that
it's
300
per
building
our
company
has
seven
buildings
in
the
city
of
des
moines,
so
300
per
building,
if
we
don't
fill
it
out
or
fill
it
up
correctly
or
on
time.
R
R
It
takes
up
to
four
hours
to
do
each
building,
especially
if
they're
multi-tenant,
like
councilman
mandelman
mandelbaum,
talked
about
it's
just,
not
good
for
our
ownership,
who,
who
already
were
already
trying
to
save
water
and
energy
it
with
rent
to
our
tenants,
so
we're
incented
to
lower
our
rent
to
our
tenants
in
the
form
of
operating
expenses,
we're
already
doing
that
we're
working
with
mid-american
energy.
Now
we
have
to
report
that
back
to
the
city,
takes
time
takes
money
and
we
just
think
it's
punitive
instead
of
collaborative.
Thank
you.
S
A
T
Okay,
so
I
think
that
this
is
a
good
thing.
I
think
we
should
be
more
worried
about
saving
the
environment
which
these
ben
parking
policies
would
do.
Then
we
should
be
about
the
landlords
or
the
apartment
owners
as
westergard
wanted
to
call
them.
Obviously,
we've
seen
like
literally
the
country
is
on
fire
right
now,
so
maybe
we
should
be
worried
in
doing
something
about
that.
T
I
think
300
is
also
a
really
reasonable
fine,
I
mean,
if
you
have
seven
buildings,
I
think
you
can
definitely
afford
to
pay
a
300
fine
on
each
of
them.
If
you
can't
seem
to
try
to
comply
with
these
things.
Also
it
really
like
this
amendment.
That's
on
the
table
right
now
doesn't
do
anything
except
make
make
it
so
that
they
have
to
pay
the
fine
like
it
should
have
already
been
in
place
and
yeah.
A
Your
honor
can
I
interrupt
for
a
second.
I
did
send
an
email
blast
out
to
everyone
with
the
new
information,
the
broken
to
correct
the
link.
I
also
corrected
it
in
yellow
on
the
agenda.
If
anybody
wants
to
go
to
the
website,
so
everything
should
be
able
to
be
accessed
there
and
people
should
be
able
to
get
into
zoom.
We
do
have
165
attendees,
so
I
think
people
are
following
what
you
supplied.
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that.
S
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
hi.
Yes,
this
is
chelsea
chisholm
vargas
from
ward
4.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
speak
on
number
69
here.
I
just
want
to
uplift
the
comments
that
peyton
made.
I
think
peyton
made
some
really
great
comments,
but
I
support
enacting
this
section.
S
I
understand
why
landlords
are
against
it
because
it
requires
more
work
from
them,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
folks
are
familiar,
but
just
a
couple
weeks
ago
it
came
out
that
des
moines
water
was
filled
with
toxic
algae
and
were
struggling
to
meet
water
demands,
as
is
so
for
this
to
be
enacted
in
the
city
of
des
moines
would
be
really
really
important.
S
Sustainability
is
always
something
we
should
just
be
looking
to
push
forward
on,
as
I
would
love
to
live
in
an
environment
for
as
long
as
I
can,
and
a
very
healthy
one
for
everyone
and
everything
on
this
planet.
So
I
look
forward
to
the
landlords
accepting
this
and
working
with
us
to
better
support
the
community
and
support
waters
here
in
des
moines
iowa.
Thank
you.
U
Hello
hi,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay?
So
what
I
wanted
to
say
basically,
is
that
this
seems
like
a
very
common
sense.
I
mean
the
whole
thing
seems
very
common
sense,
but
adding
this
on
is
literally
just
making
effective
the
ordinance
that
was
already
passed.
So
I
really
don't
see
why
there
would
be
any
opposition
to
this.
U
It's
obviously
very
important
that
the
ordinances
we
pass
can
do
what
they
say,
they're
going
to
do,
and
it
kind
of
seems
like
whatever
loophole
was
there
before,
is
being
capitalized
on
by
the
landlords
who
are
saying
that
who
are
suddenly
very
opposed
to
this
when
the
ordinance
has
already
passed-
and
this
is
just
doing
the
same
thing
the
ordinance
is
doing.
I
also
think
this
is
extremely
common
sense
in
the
scope
of
the
environment.
Linda
said
that
she
wanted
to
hear
from
people
who
are
affected
by
this.
U
Everyone
is
affected
by
this
everyone
in
des
moines.
Everyone
beyond
des
moines
is
affected
by
this,
because
this
is
trying
to
save
our
world
from
burning,
and
it's
extremely
important.
I
don't
know
where
everyone
on
council
stands
on
the
existence
of
climate
change,
but
I
think
most
of
us
can
know
that
that's
a
thing
that's
happening
and
that
we
should
be
doing
something
about
it.
This
is
a
very
small
step
to
take
if
the
landlords
feel
like
it's
unfair.
U
This
is
going
to
fall
on
everybody's
shoulders
eventually,
and
it's
just
this
is
the
one
step
that
we
are
asking
them
to
take
to
start
doing
this
really
nothing
is
changing.
All
this
is
doing
is
saying
the
ordinance
that
we
passed
is
what
we're
going
to
do.
So
I
really
don't
understand
any
opposition
to
this
right
now.
Thank.
V
Good
evening
everybody,
my
name
is
dan
warfel.
I
live
at
2336,
farwell
road,
I'm
also
a
member
of
the
des
moines
assistance
task
force
for
sustainability,
I'm
not
going
to
say
I've
got
a
whole
list
of
things.
I've
been
looking
forward
to
speaking
to
you
on
this,
but
to
keep
it
to
the
mayor's
point
about
the
about
the
enforcement
one.
I
think
I'd
like
to
hear
from
jeremy
karen.
V
If
he's
there
specifically
about
the
the
the
research
he's
done
into
how
reporting
has
been
successful
and
unsuccessful
in
places
like
kansas
city
that
do
not
have
backing
from
city
ordinance
so
places
that,
like
kansas
city,
have
tried
to
initiate
a
benchmark,
ordinance
voluntarily
or
without
any
penalty
for
non-compliance,
have
seen
low
levels
of
compliance,
essentially
rendering
the
ordinance
itself
inert,
which
is
not
what
we
want
when
we
pass.
We
did
all
this
work
to
pass
the
city
ordinance.
V
Another
point
that
I'd
like
to
make
is
that,
as
a
citizen,
I
reached
out
to
energy
star
myself
on
a
saturday
afternoon
asking
specifically
about
multi-family
buildings
and
if
multi-family
buildings
could
be
benchmarked
with
the
energy
star
software.
If
that's
what
it
was
meant
for,
and
not
only
did,
I
get
excellent
customer
service
on
a
saturday
afternoon
via
email,
but
I
was
provided
with
a
number
of
resources
that
I
could
start
benchmarking
myself.
So
I
don't
think
that
access
to
resources
has
been
that
much
of
an
issue
here
not
to
mention.
V
I
know
that
jeremy's
been
working
really
hard
to
reach
out
to
property
owners
and
to
provide
the
resources
that
we
can
provide,
so
that
these
folks
can
be
successful
and
that's
what
we
want
to
see.
We
want
to
see
building
owners
be
successful
and
you
know
I
think
it
was
71
or
72.
Josh
said:
that's,
that's
impressive!
V
That's
that's
really
impressive
and,
as
was
mentioned
before,
with
the
water
being
as
it
is
not
only
with
the
des
moines
river
being
nearly
unusable,
but
with
west
des
moines
being
able
to
tap
into
the
raccoon
river,
which
is
our
other
source
of
water.
I
think
it's
really
important
going
forward
that
we
know
where
our
water
waste
is
coming
from.
A
We
actually
have
a
few
that
came
up
after
that.
Do
you
want
to
just
end
with
what
you
had
originally
approved
for
do.
C
A
Okay,
then
there
would
be,
then
there
would
be
three
more.
A
W
A
W
We
can
hello,
my
name
is
adam
and
I
live
in
downtown
des
moines
actually
live
in
new
apartments,
so
I
want
to
speak
with
someone
who
lives
in
an
apartment
and
say
that
I
support
this.
I
will
be
affected
by
it
and
I
support
this
and
if
landlord,
it's
usually
a
straightforward
to
me
that
if
landlords
want
to
own
land
within
the
community
and
want
to
use
city
services,
they
should
obviously
have
to
meet
guidelines
set
by
the
city.
W
It's
I
understand
that
they
don't
want
to
pay
fines,
but
it's
still
disappointing
to
hear
that
people
that
own
land
of
the
city
and
own
these
buildings
don't
feel
like
they
should
have
to
meet
guidelines,
and
they
should
be
able
to
ignore
that
yeah.
That's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
B
K
Yes,
my
name
is
paxton
gillespie
and
I
also
live
in
an
apartment
in
the
river
bend
neighborhood
and
speaking
as
a
citizen
of
des
moines.
I
think
I've
been
concerned
about
the
water
quality
that
I
experienced.
K
I
know
many
of
my
neighbors
are
concerned
about
the
water
that
that
we
have
in
our
houses
and
that
then
we're
putting
into
our
food
and
our
bodies,
so
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we're
holding
landlords
accountable
and
forcing
them
to
like
be
responsible
for
the
the
conditions
of
the
apartments
that
they
own
the
conditions
that
they're
subjecting
their
tenants
to
and
like
recognizing
your
duty
to
protect
the
public
and
to
protect
apartment
renters.
So
I
support
this
motion
and
yeah.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
appreciate
the
input
from
not
only
the
property
owners
but
the
citizens
on
this
issue,
and
we
have
a
motion
on
the
floor.
I
believe
to
move
the
third
reading
of
this
particular
item.
B
A
B
O
E
B
B
Sorry
to
those
we
had
to
finish
that
item.
We
are
scheduled
usually
to
start
our
hearings
at
five
o'clock,
but
item
76
is
our
first
hearing
item
this
evening
for
the
hearings.
B
We
have
five
zoning
items
and
a
landmark
hearing,
and
then
there
are
several
other
hearing
items
for
the
zoning
items.
We
will
hear
from
the
parties
in
interest
first
and
then
the
general
public.
The
parties
in
interest
include
only
the
applicant
for
the
rezoning
and
those
persons
living
within
250
feet
of
the
property
to
be
rezoned,
to
whom
the
city
has
sent
the
notices
and
then,
after
all,
the
parties
in
interest
have
commented.
B
We
will
open
it
up
to
any
member
of
the
public
for
germain
comments
to
those
specific
issues
to
add
the
city
clerk
and
calling
on
the
parties
in
interest.
I
will
ask
everyone
else
not
to
raise
their
hand
on
the
zoom
call
unless
they
are
in
the
zoning
applicant
or
live
within
the
250
feet
and
have
received
a
mailed
notice
of
the
rezoning.
B
It
is
their
time
will
be
compared
to
the
list,
the
mailed
list
and,
if
you're
not
on
the
list,
will
be
considered
disruptive
and
will
not
be
recognized
for
the
remainder
of
the
meeting.
So
please
we
ask
wait
until
I
call
on
the
general
public
or
you
will
not
be
called
on
for
the
remainder
of
this
meeting
for
those
members
of
the
general
public
who
wait
to
raise
their
hands.
They
will
be
called
on
for
up
to
15
minutes
of
total
jermaine
public
comment
at
two
minutes
per
person
for
the
landmark
hearing.
B
B
The
city
representative
will
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
for
up
to
five
minutes
concerning
that
topic,
and
the
public
will
then
be
called
on
for
up
to
20
minutes
of
germaine
comment
and
not
to
exceed
two
minutes
per
person
and
for
the
construction
hearing.
Any
interested
party
may
appear
and
file
objections
to
the
proposed
plans,
specifications,
contract
or
estimated
costs
of
the
public
improvement,
and
those
will
be
the
only.
B
Comments
that
will
be
germaine
and
considered
as
such.
These
hearings
will
be
limited
to
20
minutes
of
germaine
comment.
Only
and
all
other
persons
will
be
limited
to
15
minutes
or
germaine
comments
at
no
more
than
two
minutes
per
person
and
apologize
to
everybody.
But
again
I
think
it's
important
that
everybody
understands
the
rules
and
we'll
get
going
so
that
we
can
get
everybody
who
wishes
to
comment
on
this
and
are
eligible
to
to
begin.
B
So.
Our
first
item
again
is
item
76.
It's
a
asked
to
continue
to
october
5th
of
2020
at
5
p.m.
A
request
from
the
cat
mcfadden
holdings
llc,
steve
mcfadden
is
the
officer
to
rezone
property
at
1537
army
post
road
from
rx1
mixed
use
to
limited
mx3
mixed
use
to
allow
the
existing
property
and
building
to
be
used
for
a
vehicle
cleaning
and
detailing
business,
minor,
use,
vehicle
maintenance
and
repair
and
again
this
motion.
B
Actually,
this
is
to
be
continued,
so
the
the
actual
vote
and
the
motion
will
be
to
continue
this
to
that
october
5th
meeting.
Do
we
have
any
council
member
who
would
like
to
speak
or
move
this
item.
A
B
E
I
think
this
is
a.
This
is
really
good
that
we
use
this
for
that
for
the
certain
things
that
we've
got
listed
in
there,
if
the,
if
the
benefit
for
the
child
care,
doesn't
work
out,
I'd
like
to
see
some
more
of
that
money
moved
into
the
mental
health
portion
of
it.
E
If
that's
possible,
scott
just
got
to
see
how
it
benefits
with
the
child
care
if
it
works
out,
I'm
fine
with
the
amounts
that
are
put
in
there,
but
if
not
I'd
like
to
see
that
money
moved
into
the
mental
health
and
well
just
with
that
comment,
if
anybody
else
has
any
that's
fine,
otherwise
I'll
move,
77.
A
D
Yeah
well,
major
dart
has
been
working
with
the
city.
I
know
that
that
the
council
has
placed
significant
importance
on
upgrading
our
transit
stops
so
that
that
we
provide
additional
shelters,
particularly
in
some
of
our
high
use
transit
stops.
B
B
All
right
item
79
is
on
a
vacation
of
a
segment
of
the
urbandale
avenue
right
away
and
conveyance
of
an
easement
for
a
bus,
shelter,
encroachment
on
city-owned
property
to
the
des
moines
area,
regional
transit
dart
for
220
dollars.
A
is
the
first
consideration
of
this
ordinance
above
again,
councilman
mantelbum.
Any
comment
on
this
one.
F
I've
been
working
on
this
for
about
three
years,
so
it's
been
something
that
the
neighborhood
has
really
really
wanted,
and
I
think
chris
coleman
is
listening
in
on
this
chris.
You
can
now
kick
this
one
off
your
bucket
list.
It
was
one
of
the
things
that
he
wanted
to
have
done,
and
I
want
to
give
a
special
shout
out
to
nancy
dunbar,
who
was
persistent
wrong
to
keep
this
thing
going
and
we're
really
proud
that
it's
going
to
be
a
nice
addition
down
there
in
the
beaverdale
area.
B
All
right,
katie,
we
have
a
hand
up.
B
Okay:
let's
let
that
one
individual
speak.
A
I
Yes,
ma'am,
I
I'm
just
doing
like
a
point
of
parliamentary
procedure
that
the
last
speaker
would
have
been
out
of
order.
According
to
your
governance,
that's
all
I
had
to
say.
O
O
B
All
right
are
there
any
parties
of
interest.
N
B
Okay,
81
is
on
a
request
from
anchor
investment
group.
Llc
michael
donlon
is
the
officer
to
amend
the
planned
dsm.
Future
land
use
map,
designation
and
rezoned
property
located
at
827
shaw
street
from
n3c
neighborhood
to
nx2
a
neighborhood
mix
to
allow
demolition
of
the
existing
housing
building
type
and
detached
garage
with
a
household
living
and
redevelop
with
a
five
unit
row
building
type
with
household
living.
A
is
the
first
consideration.
The
ordinance
above
and
b
is
the
final
consideration
of
the
ordinance
above.
B
The
waiver
is
requested
by
michael
donland,
the
officer
and
again
requires
six
votes.
Any
council
comment
on
this.
One.
B
The
item
has
been
moved:
81
a
and
b
k.
Are
there
any
parties
of
interest
with
a
hand
up.
C
B
If
she's
raising
her
hand
she's,
not
a
partying
interest,
I'd
I'd
like
to
kind
of
remind
this
individual
that,
because
they're,
not
a
party
of
interest
and
they
raise
their
hand
during
the
party
of
interest
time
under
the
rules
that
would
disqualify
them
if
they.
B
All
right:
let's
go
ahead
and
call
on
on
this
individual
and
let's
get
her
address.
C
A
B
Okay
item
82.:
it's
on
a
request
from
hamilton's
funeral
home
sasha
mudlap
is
the
officer
to
amend
the
planned
dsm.
Future
land
use
map,
designation
and
re-zone
property
at
5310,
5314
5400
southwest
9th
street,
from
nx1
neighborhood
mix
to
rx1
mixed
use
to
allow
the
expansion
of
existing
funeral
and
mortuary
service
use
on
the
existing
property
and
the
development
of
a
surface
parking
lot
on
the
portion
of
the
property
on
the
north
side
of
kenyon
avenue.
B
B
B
A
A
B
B
A
U
I'm
just
concerned
about
how
this
has
been
going,
because
you
haven't
asked
for
a
comment
from
the
public
on
the
last
few
issues.
You
only
asked
for
parties
of
interest
and
then
pulled
the
council,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
the
public
is
supposed
to
speak.
If
we're
then
considered
out
of
order
for
raising
our
hand
also,
the
other
person
can't
call
on
they've
spoken
meetings
before
and
they
have
the
same
zoom.
So
I
don't
know
why
she
wasn't.
U
U
C
B
A
AA
A
B
All
right
item
83
is
on
request
from
the
iowa
laborers
education
and
training
trust
fund.
Mike
wickman
is
the
officer
for
review
and
approval
of
a
pud
final
development
plan,
iowa
labor's
training
facility
for
property
at
4560
east
46th
street,
to
allow
the
development
of
a
15
000
square
foot,
indoor
training
and
storage
facility
with
an
outdoor
training
ground.
B
Okay,
western
guard
moves
item.
83.,
we'll
ask
right
now:
are
there
parties
of
interest
that
have
received
notice
all
right
now,
let's
open
it
up,
is
there
anyone
from
the
public
who
would
like
to
speak
on
this
item.
A
B
N
A
B
C
B
A
A
A
B
G
A
A
E
A
E
I
do
not
see
mr
oval's
number,
but
there
he
is
right.
There.
W
A
A
Can
does
somebody
have
his
telephone
number?
You
could
call.
B
Yeah,
why
don't
we
get
a
motion
to
continue
and
see
if
we
can
figure
it
out.
AD
AD
This
lloyd,
I
think,
I'd
sent
a
number
of
budgetary
three
different
attachments
with
budgetary
information
on
this
project.
AD
Yes,
so
the
history
of
this
is
that
we
went
in
for
a
pre-application
meeting
last
year
and
at
that
time
and
the
minutes
do
reflect
that
in
the
pre-application
meeting,
we
were
informed
that
there
there
was
currently
three
entrances
to
that
site,
two
on
euclid
and
one
on
the
side
street
and
in
that
pre-application
meeting
we're
the
mist
that
one
of
the
two
entrances
would
need
to
be
the
expenses
closed
and
just
the
other
entrance
would
not.
AD
Now
we
had
that,
leave
it
and
attended
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment,
meaning
to
get
our
cup
prior
to
purchasing
the
site
because
of
the
kind
of
investment
gonna
put
into
it.
The
law
was
purchased
for
250,
000
and
prior
to
all
the
street
streetscape
requirements,
the
budget
to
remodel
that
that
building
is
455,
000
and
then
you'll
see
in
one
of
the
budget
items.
We
have
that
that
all
those
streetscape
changes
are
going
to
add
over
105
000
worth
of
additional
cost
onto
this.
AD
This
developer
and
the
other
issue
is
so
so.
AD
My
clients
he's
okay
and
then
ender's
on
this
call
will
probably
speak
as
well.
We're
okay
with
all
those
added
expenses.
AD
It's
it's
gonna
again,
I
think,
be
a
real
asset
to
euclid,
but
but
if
you
take
away
all
the
entrances
on
euclid,
so
it's
impossible
to
access
that
site
from
from
east
euclid,
that's
going
to
damage
this
business
and
it
gets
to
a
point
where
all
these
costs
are
adding
up.
It
makes
it
questionable
about
whether
you
can
even
continue
with
this
project
now.
I
think
the
council
needs
to
take
into
consideration
that
this
is
a
vacant
lot.
AD
AD
We'd
also
use
that
to
indicate
that
a
lot
of
the
delivery
trucks
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
access
the
site
either
so
they'll
either
be
forced
to
park
on
euclid
or
they're
going
to
park
on
that
side
street
to
to
deliver
goods
for
the
sword.
For
that
site.
You
know
as
a
gas
station
at
some
point
in
the
past
and
and
and
again
last
year
when
we
went
through
the
key
application
meeting,
we
didn't
we
didn't
at
that
time.
The
that
entrance
would
have
been
allowed.
AD
Now
understanding
is
what
happened
is
when
the
city's
new
zoning
went
in
place
in
in
january
that
effectively
it
created
all
these
additional
design
standards
that
that
streetscape
standards
and
stuff
that
that
ender
has
to
to
meet
again
we're
okay
with
all
those
except
for
the
one
for
that
entrance
office,
east
euclid,
if
we
didn't
known
and
and
again
it
was
well
until
much
later,
our
architects
figured
it
out.
AD
But
if
we'd
known
that
not
submitting
our
design
changes
and
stuff
to
the
zoning
prior
to
prior
to
the
change
in
zoning,
we
would
have
went
in
last
year
and
and
got
this
approved.
Then.
So
you
know
again,
it's
it's!
It's
frustrating
when
you,
when
you
have
a
developer
who's
going
to
go
into
an
area
town
that
no
one
else
is,
is
investing
in
and
wants
to
do
a
significant
investment.
And
you
know
there
is
not
a
program
to
assist
small
developers
and
pro
projects
like
this.
AD
But
in
this
case
you
know,
our
investments
cost
is
going
from
over
450
000
to
over
550
000
and
we're
going
to
take
away
all
all
ability
of
traffic
to
enter
from
east
euclid.
It
will
definitely
hurt
the
business
and
it
questions
whether
you
know
how
viable
we
think
it's
going
to
be.
AD
That
would
conclude
bribe
remarks.
We
we
also
have
under
my
client,
as
well
as
michael
from
bishop
engineering
that
are
on
this
call
as
well
and
and
maybe
we
would
reserve
further
comments
until
after
the
public
comment,
and
I
assume
we'll
give
an
opportunity
to
speak
again
before
council
votes
on.
B
B
So
is
it
there's
another
party
of
ownership.
B
AD
I
I
believe
so,
but
I
think
we
wanted
to
reserve
for
the
comments
until
after
the
public
comment
period
and
then
kind
of
as
our
summation.
Okay,
okay,.
B
All
right
are
there
any
members?
B
M
B
B
Do
you
want
to
to
read
that
into
record.
M
I
certainly
can
I
certainly
I'm
sure
I'll
be
glad
to
it
says.
Dear
mayor
and
council
members,
I
am
writing
to
oppose
the
type
2
design
alternative
request
for
the
property
located
at
821
east
euclid
by
an
applicant
who
would
use
the
property
as
a
liquor
sales
outlet.
I
will
not
be
able
to
attend
the
next
council
meeting,
because
my
dial
up
internet
service
is
not
robust
enough
to
support
video
conferencing.
M
In
my
opinion,
the
proposed
use
is
not
in
the
best
interest
of
the
highland
park
neighborhood
and
does
not
represent
the
best
use
of
the
property
in
question.
Even
with
the
proposed
building
additions,
this
property
is
obsolete
and
not
suitable
for
modern
retail
uses.
In
addition,
I
believe
the
surrounding
areas
are
well
served
by
existing
businesses,
including
several
full-line,
grocery
stores
and
at
least
three
convenient
store
change
chains
who
offer
a
variety
of
beer,
wine
and
spirit
products
along
with
food
and
snack
items.
M
The
east
14th
street
euclid
area
is
served
by
several
well
patronized
taverns
and
full-service
restaurants
that
serve
alcohol.
Alas,
tobacco
products
are
also
widely
available
in
the
neighborhood
in
the
liquor
and
beer
category.
The
area
that
has
ample
variety
of
suppliers
as
to
the
property
itself,
a
bit
of
history
might
be
useful.
I
was
president
of
the
highland
park,
neighborhood
association
for
several
years
and
during
my
tenure,
a
re-zoning
liquor
license
request
was
made
to
open
a
convenience
store
in
this
same
property.
M
I
was
unable
to
lay
my
hands
on
correspondence
from
me
regarding
this
property,
so
I
am
providing
this
historical
background
to
the
best
of
my
recollection,
come
and
go
operated
a
convenience
store
with
gasoline
sales
on
this
site
for
many
years
predating
my
residence
to
the
area.
At
some
point,
the
company
decided
to
close
its
aging
des
moines
stores
and
abandoned
the
convenient
store
market
within
the
des
moines
corporate
limits.
The
property
was
vacant
for
some
time
before,
ultimately
being
sold
as
part
of
a
real
estate
package
of
vacant
stores
to
an
investment
group.
M
The
buyer
opened
a
convenience
store
on
this
property,
but
was
not
as
successful
as
he
had
hoped
to
be.
A
shipment
of
contaminated
gasoline
delivered
to
this
facility
and
the
subsequent
fuel
problems
experienced
by
a
number
of
residents
who
bought
that
gasoline
severely
damaged
the
east
euclid
store's
reputation.
The
store
was
later
closed.
M
The
property
was
involved
in
extensive
litigation
and
manila
in
an
illinois
bank
ended
up
foreclosing
on
the
property.
An
affiliate
of
the
bank
then
put
forward
a
request
to
the
city
to
open
a
valero,
branded
convenience
store
on
the
site
and
requested
a
liquor
license
at
that
time.
The
association
opposed
the
original
request
on
grounds
that
the
property
was
poorly
maintained,
concerns
for
the
immediate
neighbors
about
loitering,
drug
use
and
other
criminal
activity
on
the
vacant.
M
Promises
and
worries
about
the
delicious
effect
of
additional
liquor
store
sales
on
the
stability
of
families
and
residents
of
the
surrounding
area.
The
association
ultimately
supported
a
revised
application
for
a
convenience
store
that
provided
for
several
provisions
to
address
neighborhood
concerns.
M
Among
those
provisions,
agreement
to
reduce
nighttime
store
hours,
assurances
that
staff
and
training
at
the
store
would
be
sufficient
to
handle
security
and
warranty
loitering
concerns
and
a
probationary
period,
during
which
time
the
neighbors
and
city
officials
could
monitor
the
operation
of
the
proposed
store.
The
applicant
agreed
to
those
conditions
in
the
store,
opened
and
operated
for
several
years,
but
this
operation
also
failed
due
to
lack
of
business,
a
crew
removed
the
canopy
and
underground
gasoline
storage
tanks
in
2016..
M
The
property
has
been
boarded
up
and
vacant
ever
since
this
decade's
long
history
demonstrates
the
existing
use
of
this
property
no
longer
meets
the
commercial
needs
of
the
highland
park.
Neighborhood,
the
property
is
too
sm
small
for
modern
retail
use
and
traffic
along
euclid
and
population
in
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
is
not
sufficient
to
support
additional
retail
activity
to
meet
neighborhood
needs
in
this
corridor.
I
wish
this
were
not
so,
but
retail
development
trends
across
the
metro
have
shifted
traffic
that
would
normally
be
on
euclid
to
other
parts
of
the
region.
M
Retailers
are
content
to
operate
fewer
stores
in
the
metro
and
rely
upon
residents
of
our
neighborhoods
to
travel
to
their
outlying
locations.
Meanwhile,
obsolete
and
rapidly
deteriorating
retail
structures
linger
along
our
commercial
corridors.
In
my
opinion,
these
sites
seem
to
attract
under-capitalized
or
ill-prepared
operators.
C
B
B
A
AB
We
can
yeah,
could
you
let
me
have
the
screen
share?
Okay,
yes,
laura.
A
Will
you,
okay,
you
should
be
able
to
do
it
now
on
your
own.
Your
co-host,
mike.
AB
So
mayor
and
members
of
the
council,
michael
ludwig
planning
administrator
for
the
city
of
des
moines,
the
site
plan
in
front
of
you
shows
the
site
in
question.
821,
east
euclid.
This
cross-hatched
area
is
the
existing
building
on
the
site.
It's
about
a
1557
square
foot,
building,
they're,
proposing
hundred
and
2170
square
foot
addition
to
the
building
in
four
different
locations,
and
so
the
the
applicant.
AB
This
expansion
of
a
storefront
building
in
an
mx3
district
would
enable
the
change
of
use
from
a
convenience
store
that
was
on
the
site
to
a
liquor
store.
The
board
of
adjustment
has
approved
the
conditional
use
permit
for
the
liquor
store
on
the
site
that
happened
on
may
27th
of
2020
and,
as
was
stated,
the
applicant
is
appealing
the
plan
and
zoning
commission's
decision
in
the
letter
that
that
decision
was
july,
2nd
of
2020.
AB
In
their
appeal
letter,
they
stated
that
they
were
only
appealing
the
driveway
access.
I
think
there
were
some
comments
made
tonight
about
the
improvements
along
the
corridor.
AB
AB
Staff
did
contact
our
fire
department
and
the
fire
marshal
has
indicated
that
the
fire
department
would
not
use
the
parking
lot
to
access
or
or
fight
a
fire
on
the
property
they
would
either
park
on
east
euclid
avenue
or
on
wright
street
to
fight
a
fire
on
the
property.
So
the
parking
lot
circulation
is
not
not
an
issue
for
fire
truck
access.
B
Anybody
else
have
a
hand
up
or
any
questions.
Okay,.
B
AE
C
C
X
Hey
this
is
the
property
owner
in
there
dylan
so
kind
of
going
back
what
lloyd
said.
I
am
already
an
existing
business
owner
in
the
highland
park
area.
I've
been
there
for
six
years.
So
when
you
know
this,
this
lot
is
is
an
eyesore.
X
That's
just
been
sitting
there
for
you
know
years
now
and
I
have
been
at
the
park
for
mall
as
a
small
business
owner
since
then,
and
you
know
I've,
I
have
met
with
the
neighborhood
associations
and
the
neighbors
to
kind
of
go
through
all
of
my
due
diligence
that
needed
to
be
done
to
make
sure
that
the
neighbors
are
okay
and
on
board
with
it
with
the
idea-
and
you
know
a
lot
of
neighbors
did
ask
me:
why
aren't
you
opening
something
else?
X
And
you
know
there
was
an
idea
of
a
copy
shop
and
I
did
approach,
you
know
some
franchise
for
it
and
they
just
do
not.
They
don't
seem
to
think
that
this
type
of
investment
is
worth
for
the
lot
that
it's
in
and
the
building
that's
in.
So,
as
we
met
through
with
the
neighborhood
association
and
the
neighbors
around
it,
we
did
reach
an
agreement
to
open
up
a
convenience,
store,
liquor
store
there
and
the
the
the
issue
at
hand
was
when
we
met
with
the
city
before
I
purchased
this
property
back
in
september.
X
X
Including
the
real
estate
that
I
have
purchased
it
for
and
over
that
is
another
extra
hundred
thousand
that
you
know
we
kind
of
have
to
go
through
to
get
the
building
up
to
code,
and
you
know
I
want
the
building
to
look
nice
as
as
a
neighborhood
business
owner
that
I've
been
in
highland
park
for
over
six
years.
As
you
go
down
east
on
euclid
and
you
kind
of
go
towards
there
is,
I
believe
it's
just
an
empty
warehouse.
That's
just
sitting
there.
X
X
I'm
not
I'm
fine
with
investing
money,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
I
can't
put
a
monetary
value
on
how
much
money
I'm
going
to
actually
lose
by
this.
You
know
this
this
entrance
being
closed
off,
but
one
thing
I
would
say
is
that
the
council
kind
of
take
a
second
look
at
it
and
kind
of
think
it.
As
you
know,
there's
few
members
on
the
board
that
are
business
owners.
AF
X
C
X
X
The
city
looks
nice,
so
that's
kind
of
what
I
wanted
to
kind
of
say
that
that
that
yes,
this
was
a
denial
from
the
planning
zoning,
but
I
think
if
we
can
take
a
second
consideration
to
kind
of
take
a
look
at
it
and
see
what
I'm
doing
with
the
lot,
how
much
money
I'm
investing
in
it.
It's
just
not
that
I
you
know
I
got
my
conditional
use
permit
and
you
know
we
opened
up
an
open
sign
and
open
for
business.
We're
going
to
redo
this
entire
building.
X
We're
going
to
do
this
entire
lot,
that's
going
to
be
completely
new
and
in
those
as
we
got
the
conditional
use
permanent
issue
to
us.
There
are
some
things
that
we've
worked
out
with
the
city
of
des
moines
and
our
hours
are
not
like
a
typical
liquor
store
hours,
where
you
know
they
close
at
2..
We're
closing
at
11
we're
opening
up
at
8.
X
and
there's
no
signage.
That's
going
to
be
up
there.
That's
going
to
you
know
where
each
window
is
just
plastered
with
liquor
signs,
it's
not
going
to
be
that
and
we
have
submitted
elevations
and
pictures
on
how
this
building
will
actually
look,
and
I
think
this
would
be
a
benefit
the
neighborhood
rather
than
hurt
it.
AD
This
is
lloyd
and
I'd
like
to
just
add
to
what
ender
said
and
explain
that.
Well,
technically,
this
is
a
looker
liquor
store
it.
The
the
reason
for
the
expansion
and
and
and
adding
all
that
additional
space
was
to
make
it
look
and
feel
like
for
all
practical
matters,
a
a
convenience
store.
It's
it
it's
it's.
It
will
be
a
convenience
store
that
also
sells
liquor.
But
technically
it's
a
liquor
store
under
the
the
classification
scheme.
AD
But
it's
it's
designed
to
be
a
real
attraction,
and
I
don't
know
if
michael
that
last
exhibit
you
showed
that
show
the
square
footage.
I
think
if
you
click
farther
down
on
there,
there's,
maybe
some
imagery
that
shows
the
exterior
what
it's
going
to
look
like
it's
going
to
be
a
first
class,
first
class
business
and
and
and
working
with
bishop
engineering
on
it.
AD
We
feel
real
good
about
the
the
finished
product
and
again
the
issue
is
you
know
again
when
we
did
our
pre-application
meeting
last
year,
we
had
no
indication
that
we
were
going
to
lose
both
those
entrances
on
euclid.
We
knew
we'd
we'd
lose
the
one
closer
to
wright
street,
but
we
we
we're
not
anticipating
that
at
that
time,
that
we
were
going
to
lose
this
other
site.
And
it's
just
a
shame
is
because
of
a
deadline.
AD
If
we'd
known,
we
would
have,
we
would
have
went
ahead
and
tried
to
get
this
through
last
year
before
the
zoning
changes
took
place.
But
we
really
think
this
location,
it's
a
hardship
that
that
I
I
really
question
whether
you're
going
to
find
a
developer
or
someone
to
come
in.
It's
going
to
put
this
much
money
in
that
site
if
they
only
have
an
entrance
off
of
wright
street.
AG
This
is
michael
whaler,
with
bishop
engineering,
350
104th
street
in
urbandale,
a
couple
things
to
add,
with
the
fire
truck
apparatus
concept
plan
that
we
sent
in,
of
course,
using
the
des
moines
fire
truck
specification
that
was
supplied
to
us.
This
also
is
a
pretty
good
indication
of
how
delivery
trucks
will
be
for
their
wheelbase.
AG
AG
Furthermore,
we
have
spent
a
fair
amount
of
money,
or
we
will
spend
a
fair
amount
of
money
on
the
trash
enclosure
and
that
trash
enclosure
does
face
east
euclid,
all
the
faces
and
architectural
components
of
that
satisfy
city
staff
and
and
and
city
ordinances.
However,
the
the
loading
of
that
is
is
quite
difficult
without
having
a
driveway
approach
off
euclid.
Furthermore,
if
if
that
was
eliminated,
we
would
create
a
hammerhead
approach
there
and
that
hammerhead
approach
would
be
curb
and
gutter
and
the
the
west
side
of
this
property.
AG
All
of
the
west
side,
you
can
pretty
much
put
this
property
down
the
middle
as
it
is
today,
does
feed
storm
water
into
east
euclid
and
that
public
stormwater
system
the
west.
Excuse
me,
the
the
west
side
feeds
euclid.
The
east
side
feeds
right
street.
So
if
we
were
to
curb
and
gutter
the
east
euclid
approach,
we
would
have
to
put
storm
water
intake
structures
there
pipe
pipe
them
through
the
right-of-way,
which
is
already
a
pretty
busy
right
of
way
and
then
get
them
into
the
curve
structures.
AG
AG
So
this
manner
with
the
two
approaches
allows
us
a
access
off
of
east
euclid
street,
as
well
as
storm
water,
to
be
overland
flow
as
it
is
today
and
maneuverability
just
for
any
delivery
trucks
that
come
in
as
you
can
see,
it's
tight
and
so
parking
we
have
head
and
parking
to
the
building
and
any
delivery
truck,
of
course,
will
be
blocking
said
parking,
so
there's
no
way
around
it.
AG
However,
if
we
do
have
the
approach,
they
are
at
least
able
to
maneuver
on
the
west
side
to
get
out
of
the
way
of
parking
and
be
able
to
not
make
a
backup
maneuver
in
the
right
street
in
order
to
get
out
of
the
property.
So
those
are
kind
of
some
of
the
civil
items
that
are
at
stake
here,
and
I
will
point
out
too
that
we're
trying
to
put
a
dart
station
in
so
we're
trying
to
facilitate
the
the
public
in
that
manner.
AG
Dart
indicated
they
wanted
a
canopy
stop
there,
so
we
have
easement
and
also
a
pad
that
we
would
put
in
for
dart,
along
with
all
the
appropriate
rehabilitation
of
the
sidewalks
and,
of
course,
the
public
access.
So
we
think
we're
doing
the.
What
we
can
is
from
the
civil
aspect.
We
think
this
is
our
best
best
way
to
design
this
site.
So
thank.
B
B
M
M
I
hope
that
we
don't
allow
this
business
owner
to
make
changes
from
what
plan
and
zoning
had
had
approved,
and
the
question
is
not
about
a
liquor
store
because
he's
already
been
approved
to
be
a
liquor
store,
but
I
just
have
to
share
with
my
council
members
some
of
the
history,
and
I
have
listened
to
the
meetings
I
was
in
the
neighborhood
meeting
when
it
was
presented
that
this
was
going
to
be
a
convenience
store
and
it
was
going
to
have
milk
and
bread
and,
and
it
would
be
a
nice
little
neighborhood
grocery
store,
but
when
it
went
before
a
board
of
adjustment
and
plant
and
zoning,
it
was
for
a
100
liquor,
store,
convenience
store
was
never
mentioned
and
I
believe
at
one
point
one
of
the
members
said
wait
a
minute.
M
I
thought
it
was
a
convenience
store
and-
and
it
was
like
well,
we
might
have
some
nuts
or
some
popcorn
or
some
mixers.
That
is
hardly
a
convenience
store.
Those
are
items
that
you
pick
up
when
you're
picking
up
your
your
liquor
and
your
alcohol,
and
so
the
neighborhood
did
did
not
come
to
the
hearing
because
they
thought
it
was
a
convenience
store.
And
then
it
went
back
through
plan
and
zoning
again
because
he
was
approved
for
the
original
site
building.
M
But
then
he
came
back
and
he
wanted
to
expand
it
and
you'll
see
it's
probably
twice
the
size
of
what
of
what
he
ever
mentioned
to
the
neighborhood
it
being,
and
now
we
have
a
fairly
large
size,
size,
liquor
store,
and
I
I
mean
I've
gone
back.
I've
listened
to
the
plan
and
zoning
meeting
several
times
and
he
says
well
it's
because
of
the
coolers
and
and
he
needs
things.
But
let's
remember
this
is
a
100
percent
liquor
store,
not
a
convenience
store.
M
The
the
property
has
been
mowed
one
time
this
summer,
and
that
was
only
after.
The
weed
commissioner
was
contacted,
and
I
know
that
the
owner
has
had
some
contact
with
one
of
the
neighbors
that
lives
around
there
because
he
told
that
neighbor.
Well,
you
know
it's
it's
a
piece
of
junk
now
anyway,
so
I'm
not
going
to
worry
about
it.
That's
always
bothersome.
When
I
hear
people
say
well,
you
know
it's
already
a
bad
place,
so
I
you
know,
I'm
not
going
to
worry
about
it.
M
I
know
that
that
the
city
was
notified
of
that,
but
I
have
an
email
that
one
of
the
neighbors
nearby
sent
him,
and
he
said
you
know
I'm
going
to
let
the
police
take
care
of
it.
I'm
going
to
let
the
police,
you
know,
take
care
of
the
vagrants
and
anybody
that's
loitering.
M
B
All
right,
do
we
any
other
discussion
and
it
sounds
like
we
have
a
motion
on
the.
C
A
B
B
item
85
is
on
a
request
from
lawmak
lp,
the
owner
to
designate
the
financial
center
property
located
at
606
to
666,
walnut
street
and
207
7th
street
as
local
landmark
and
4
9
14
of
20
council
communication
number
20-384.
B
All
right
item
85
has
been
moved.
It's
just
to
have
a
landmark
designation,
I
don't
think
there's
any
the
owner
or
any
member
of
the
public.
B
Yep
is,
is
the
owner
on
anybody
from
the
owner,
jake
christensen,
jake.
B
All
right,
let's
let
jake
speak.
AH
Apologize
for
the
technical
difficulty
I'll
be
brief
in
respect
of
the
long
agenda.
AH
The
definition
of
meeting
landmark
status
means
that
you
have
association
with
events
that
made
biggest
impact
and
significant
patterns
in
our
history
and
the
financial
center
embodies
that
by
being
the
tallest
building
developed
the
tallest
office,
building
developed
after
the
equitable
building
and
was
the
most
significant
private
office
investment
in
the
1970s
and
set
the
stage
for
what
we
enjoy
as
our
skyline.
Now.
So
with
that,
I
would
take
any
questions,
but
there's
a
50
page
term
paper
on
how
important
it
is
to
our
history.
But
I
won't
read
that
to
you
right
now.
B
A
B
You,
okay.
I
think
that
the
important
piece
is,
as
we
think,
about
the
financial
center
and
its
importance
in
the
downtown
skyline
that
jake
pointed
out.
B
I
I
think
that
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
the
designation
and
to
for
all
of
us
to
recall
it
and
remember
that
as
a
significant
thing
in
the
skyline
that
was
put
up
in
the
70s-
and
I
know
that
jennifer
probably
did
an
awful
lot
of
the
the
ground
work
to
get
it
prepared
to
do
it.
We've
got
a
motion
on
the.
B
A
E
B
To
get
back,
that's
all
right
and
thanks
to
everybody
for
working
on
that
project,
let's
move
to
86,
which
is
on
the
considerations
of
a
license
agreement
with
downtown
des
moines,
self-supported
municipal
improvement,
district,
doing
business
as
operation
downtown
for
the
installation,
maintenance
and
display
of
artwork
within
the
8th
street
viaduct
north
of
cherry
street.
B
B
All
right,
87
and
87a
has
been
moved
any
hands
up
any
comments
on
this.
AI
H
O
H
B
Thank
you
item
88
is
on
the
municipal
service
center
phase,
two,
a
resolution
approving
the
plans
and
specifications
form
of
contract
documents
and
the
engineers
estimate
receive
and
file
bids
and
designating
the
lowest
responsive,
responsible
bidder
as
kester
construction
company
inc.
Paul
kester
is
the
president:
44
million
930
979
council
communication
number
20-404
a
is
approving
the
contract
and
bond
and
permission
to
sublet.
M
And,
okay,
and-
and
I
know
that
there
have
been
lots
of
emails
that
have
gone
back
and
forth
and
we
had
lots
of
questions
and
engineering
was
very
great
in
giving
us
answers.
We
may
not
have
liked
the
answers,
but
they
did.
They
did
provide
us
answers,
but
it
just
is
concerning
to
me
that
we
have
we're
going
to
spend
44
million
dollars,
probably
more
than
that,
because
we'll
probably
make
it
through
the
energy
efficient
guidelines
that
we'll
add
on.
M
M
We've
got
that,
but
my
concern
is:
is
that
the
general
contractor
can
hire
a
subcontractor,
then
that
subcontractor
can
go
and
hire
people,
and
I'm
just
concerned
as
to
how
many
craft
people
will
actually
be
working
on
this
project,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
I
would
like
for
us
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
they
have
abided
by
all
of
the
the
osha
training,
the
rules
that
they're
paying
into
workers
compensation.
M
You
know
that
all
of
the
rules
are
being
followed,
so
I
it
seems
it
seems
like
that,
is
a
little
bit
out
of
our
hands
and
I
don't
know
if
we
can
go
back
and
work
on
that
questionnaire
or
if
that
is
truly
just
something
the
state
has
to
do,
but
it
it
just
seems
to
me
for
44
million
dollars.
We
have
a
lot
of
questions
and
we
don't
know
who's
going
to
actually
be
building
this
building.
So
those
are
my
comments.
E
So
mayor
real
quick
there
in
the
in
the
in
the
questionnaire
the
last
question
is
everyone
has
to
have.
I
believe
it's
a
10
hour
type
of
training.
If
we
have
word
that
sub
subcontractors
have
subbed
out
to
other
subcontractors
that
haven't
had
that
training,
what's
the
recourse
and
how
do
we?
How
do
we
have
mr
kester
abide
by
his
questionnaire
that
he
filled
out.
H
Scott
scott,
can
we
even
probably
have.
E
H
Well,
actually,
I
meant
that
that
he's
aware
of
a
subcontractor-
that's
not
following
through,
would
be
the
first
step.
Okay
and
then
at
that
point
we
we'd
bring
in
our
legal
to
discuss
how
that
gets
rectified.
Frankly,.
E
Okay,
I
I've
got
a
feeling
that
that
you
know
there's
there's
like
linda
said:
there
is
there's
subcontractors
and
then
there's
subcontractors
that-
and
we
have
the
answers
to
the
question
that
are
subbing
out
other
portions
of
this
job
to
other
subcontractors.
E
E
I
know
the
state
has
tied
our
hands
tremendously
with
with
this
questionnaire
in
in
the
ability
to
wiggle
any
with
this,
unless
there's
federal
dollars
in
there
and
there's
not
in
this
project,
otherwise
they
would
all
be
paid
davis,
bacon
wages,
which
would
have
made
this
much
easier.
It
would
have
been
a
little
bit
more
expensive,
but
we
would
have
made
sure
that
we
had
the
proper
training
and
quality
that
to
build
this.
E
It
is
underbid
tremendously
from
the
from
the
engineering
estimate
who
makes
the
determination
of
alternates.
Are
we
doing
that
now?
Do
we
vote
on
that
now,
or
is
that
already
included
in
in
the
bid?
E
The
alternative?
A
of
the
solar
is
that
is
that
part
of
the
motion
or
how
does
that
work?.
E
Well,
I
I
would
move
88
in
88
a
with
the
with
the
alternative.
I
know
we
build
the
parking
garage
with
the
solar
in
there.
You
know
we
we
want
to
build
this
long
term,
it
is
under
bid
and
I
would
move
88
and
88
a
if
no
one
else
has
any
comments.
M
K
E
E
And
and
as
we
rebid
the
entire
project,
who
knows,
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
save
seven
million
dollars
off
the
internet
engineering
numbers
like
we
did
this
time?
E
I
I
I
agree
with
you
100
percent,
and
I
want
to
be
able
to
do
more,
but
I
think
the
next
project-
and
there
is
another
project
or
two
coming
up
that
are
that
are
buildings,
and
I
I've
spoken
with
the
city
manager
and
I
would
like
to
see
federal
dollars,
whether
it
be
one
dollar
in
there
or
what
to
make
sure
that
we
do
have
davis
bacon
wages
being
paid
to
everyone
and
were
able
to
hold
their
feet
to
the
fire.
B
N
Go
ahead,
oh
thank
you,
mayor
connie,
so
one
part
of
the
responses
from
engineering
is
in
regard
to
how
workers
are
paid
and
the
response
is
city
staff
do
not
have
methods
to
monitor
or
enforce
how
workers
are
paid.
N
So
if,
if
someone
catches
wind
of
a
subcontractor
who's,
not
paying
employees
on
the
books
that
collecting
workers
comp
and
other
things,
how
would
that
get
processed?
What
what
happens.
H
E
That,
oh,
okay,
scott,
would
we
shut
down
the
job
at
that
point
until
we
had
a
a
ruling
from
the
department
of
labor
or
how
would
how
would
that
work.
H
I
would
I
would
be
asking
with
legals
assistance
that
the
contractor
not
have
those
subcontractors
working
not
necessarily
shutting
down
the
project,
but
okay,
those
that
are
in
question
I'd,
be
asking,
there's
also
the
potential
with
holding
the
funds
to
make
sure
that
everything's
been
paid
appropriately.
I
was
going
to
say
that
and
then
the
payments
that
go
to
the
contractor
or
are
are
in
arrears
after
showing
performance,
so
those
those
would
be
subject
to
be
held
as
well.
E
B
All
right,
let's
go
ahead
with
those
three.
A
AK
Hi,
my
name
is
felicia
hilton.
I
live
at
815,
euclid
avenue,
I'm
participating
on
behalf
of
the
north
central
states,
regional
council
of
carpenters.
We
have
about
1200
members
in
local
106
that
covers
des
moines,
and
we
do
have
concerns
mainly
about
the
subcontracted
labor
and
the
practice
of
the
gcs.
AK
If
a
gc
is
to
police
themselves,
which
is
what
it
looks
like,
the
state
and
local
government
have
to
allow
them
to
do,
but
if
they
are
to
police
themselves,
that
is
our
biggest
concern
is
that
the
gc
has
a
subcontractor
and
then
that
subcontractor
subs
it
out
and
they
sub
it
out
to
what
we
refer
to
as
labor
brokers,
which
pretty
much
bring
folks
in
to
do
the
project.
AK
Labor
that
don't
have
the
osha
training
that
are
being
paid
off
the
books,
cash,
10.99
and
so
they're,
not
having
workers
comp.
They
don't
have
any
unemployment,
insurance
they're,
not
having
payroll
taxes,
state
or
federal
taxes
taken
out,
and
there
are
a
number
of
legitimate
contractors
union
and
non-union
that
do
all
these
things
that
pay
workers,
unemployment,
insurance,
payroll
taxes
and
federal
and
state
taxes.
AK
And
so,
when
you
have
this
system
that
there
is
a
a
bid
and
the
gc
bids
it
and
then
the
gc
subs
out
to
the
second
tier
subs
and
those
subs
sub
out
and
those
subs
sub
out
and
possibly
again
we
run
into
that.
And
so
what
we're?
What
we're
asking
is
is
just
those
questions
and
if
the
city
will
know
every
aspect
and
every
detail
of
the
project
and
the
specs,
including
the
type
of
bushes
and
trees
window,
pane
thickness
building
material,
we
would
expect
that
a
publicly
owned
building
be.
E
I
I
I
would,
I
would
concur
with
felicia,
I
mean
we're
we're
going
to
be
in
there
inspecting
all
the
time.
As
far
as
this
specs
that
were
that
we're
looking
at
you
know,
I
I'd
like
is:
is
someone
from
kester
on
the
line
that
we
can?
We
can
get
some
type
of
assurance
that
they're
not
using
the
day
laborers.
D
So
I'm
interested
in
the
council
working
on
on
the
accountability
and
getting
translating
the
quality
assurance
into
reality,
particularly
with
with
some
of
these
subs,
and
you
know,
I
I
don't
want
to
see
payroll
tax
fraud.
I
don't
want
to
see
some
of
these
practices
with
with
subs
who
who
are
unsafe
and
not
sufficiently
trained
being
brought
into
into
projects.
D
So
I'm
I
would
like
us
to
look
at
ways
that
we
can
actually
make
our
post-bid
quality
assurance
sick
and
that
we
should
be
figuring
out
the
maximum
that
we
can
do
to
ensure
that
and
it'd
be
nice
to
have
someone
if,
as
as
joe
said,
someone
from
kester
to
come
and
get
on
the
phone
and
and
affirm
those
commitments
and
that
they'll
work
with
us,
particularly
to
address
some
of
these
practices.
B
W
P
Y
Remember,
100
assure
you
our
practices
are
are
in
line
with
everything
that's
been
discussed
here.
We
right
into
our
contracts
and
and
ensure
all
our
subcontractors,
particularly
on
a
job.
This
size
are
not
subbing
to
secondary
contractors.
Y
We
are
we
diligently
reviewed
every
detail
of
this
job
and
I
think
the
bids
reflect
certainly
that
you
know
given
a
reputable
contractor
like
hanson
and
the
other
companies
that
have
bid
this
project.
Y
Y
We
bet
it
thoroughly
and
100
adhere
to
the
the
your
concerns
and,
having
worked
with
the
city
of
des
moines
over
the
course
of
the
last
30
years,
or
so,
I
can
assure
you
that
we
will
100
adhere
to
the
to
the
recommendations
and-
and
while
I
understand
the
party's
concern,
we've
diligently
vetted
everybody
involved
with
this
project,
given
the
risk
involved,
and
I
can
certainly
assure
you
that
we
will
absolve
the
concerns
in
working
with
des
moines
moving
forward.
B
U
I
think
this
is
a
really
important
issue
and
I
think
that
it's
important
that
it's
discussed
in
in
regards,
I
think
it's
important,
that
public
has
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
these
sorts
of
things.
I've
heard
from
local
people
that
they've
been
muted
and
that
when
you
were
asking
everything
from
the
public,
they
were
being
united
at
that
time
and
having
their
hand
put
down.
U
I
would
also
like
to
mention
that
it's
extremely
confusing
when
you
tell
us
that
we're
going
to
be
considered
disruptive
if
we
raise
our
hand
at
a
certain
time,
but
then,
if
we
raise
our
hand
too
late,
we're
not
allowed
to
speak
so
on
the
last
issue
and
people
are
trying
to
raise
their
hand.
But
you
said
well.
The
vote
had
already
been
called
for
people
weren't
raising
their
hand
because
they
didn't
want
to
because
they're
disruptive,
but
they
still
want
to
speak.
So
we're
really
not
sure
when
that's.
U
About
being
able
to
speak
at
council
meetings,
and
if
people
are
going
to
speak
on
this
issue,
they
need
to
be
that's
really
important
that
you
guys
make
it
clear
when
we
should
raise
our
hands
so
that
we
can
speak
things
that
are
important
like
this,
and
that
people
are
being
silenced.
And
things
like
this,
because
this
is
what
we're
here
for.
O
AL
B
There
was
only
on
the
zoning
issues
that
we
made
that
separation
on
the
two,
the
others
are
not.
We
would
like
all
comments
to
to
be
pertinent
to
this
issue.
So
we've
got
another
speaker.
I
think.
C
A
A
B
Let's
switch
to
the
council
member
had
their
hand
up.
M
M
I
think
what
he
was
saying
is
that
they
would
make
sure
that
every
subcontractor
that
they
hire
is
using
their
employees
that
are
craft,
labor
people
and
they're
not
going
to
be
hiring
through
a
labor
broker
that
would
just
bring
in
somebody
else.
Do
we
have
that
assurance.
B
O
O
B
that
takes
us
back
to
item
72.
ordinances.
First
consideration:
this
is
amending
chapter
114
in
the
miscible
code
regarding
traffic
regulation
changes
as
follows:
this
is
council
communication
number
20-407,
a
a
proposed
code
change
to
match
field
conditions
on
the
north
side
of
pleasant
street
from
9th
street
to
10th
street
b.
A
proposed
code
change
to
match
the
field
conditions
on
the
south
side
of
locust
street
from
2nd
avenue
to
the
des
moines
river
bridge
c
is
a
code
correction.
This
is
9th
street
between
shawnee
avenue
and
aurora.
Avenue
d
is
a
parking
restriction.
D
Yet,
mr
mayor,
if
I
could
I
I'd
like
to
to
make
a
few
comments
pertaining
to
item
d,
I've
heard
from
a
large
number
of
residents
on
westwood
drive
about
concern.
Actually
not
just
westwood
drive
some
residents
who
are
also
on
56th
street,
who
would
be
impacted
by
the
limitations
of
parking
on
westwood.
It's
a
dead-end
cul-de-sac
and
the
proposal,
I
I
think,
is
a
bit
too
strict
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
parking
that
is
being
removed.
D
D
I
know
there
was
some
concern:
we're
going
to
get
back
to
the
standardized,
no
parking
at
corners
to
allow
for
visibility
for
cars,
turning
on
and
off
of
westwood,
but
that's
the
only
piece
of
additional
no
parking
just
that
first
50
feet
from
56
in
and
then
the
rest,
we're
not
gonna
have
a
no
parking
restriction
is
the
intent
of
the
amendment.
D
So
I
wanted
to
to
say
that
up
front
and
that
maybe
addresses
a
number
of
the
neighbors
who've
been
listening
in
hopefully
addresses
some
of
their
concern
and
I
think
that's
a
a
reasonable
way
to
address
this.
I
think
staff
is,
I
talked
with
engineering
and
I
think
they're,
okay,
with
with
that
change,
and
with
that
I
I'd
be
happy
to
move
the
the
broader
item.
D
B
Okay:
let's
let
the
three
make
the
comments.
Please.
A
A
They
put
the
false
name,
that's
fine!
I
can
do
that
if
you
want.
A
A
AM
Hello,
yeah,
hello,
hi,
yeah,
sorry,
linda
muted
me
after
I
admitted
apologies
for
that.
I
have
a
question
about
the
one-way
restriction
on
11th
street
to
13th
street,
knowing
that
there's
a
lot
of
cars
and
residential
about
that
space
and
also
I
have
concerns
because
I
think
miranda
actually
was
muted
because
of
an
outdated
zoom
earlier,
not
for
violating
some
sort
of
city
council
role.
B
Okay,
your
question
about
the
one-way
restriction
on
carpenter
between
11th
and
13th.
AM
Yeah
is
that
in
stating
a
one-way
restriction,
or
is
that
changing
a
one-way
restriction.
B
Scott,
do
you
know
or
is
there,
is
it
engineering
on.
H
A
Z
Honorable
mayor
members
of
the
city
council,
steve
neighbor
city
engineer,
this
is
actually
making
a
a
narrow
street.
Almost
I
mean
it
is
a
street.
Technically,
it's
almost
more
like
an
alley,
but
it's
actually
making
it
converting
it
from
a
two-way
to
a
one-way.
Z
These
concerns
were
brought
up
by
the
neighborhood
through
councilmember
gray
and
with
the
help
of
councilman
gray,
we
had.
You
know,
worked
with
the
neighborhood
on
on
solutions
to
address
their
concerns
and
that's
what
this
is
is
to
make
the
narrow
street
a
one-way.
Z
A
L
L
Okay,
I
live
at
411
56th
street
and
I
previously
was
opposed
to
the
72d,
but
with
what
councilman
mendelbaum
has
proposed,
I
I
think
that's
a
good.
I
think
that's
a
good
solution.
AE
Hi
emily
mcguire
137th
street,
so
I'm
newer
to
attending
these
meetings.
But
I
would
like
a
clarification
on
when
we're
allowed
to
raise
our
hands,
because
I
wasn't
speaking
up
earlier
because
I
was
afraid
of
not
being
able
to
speak
for
the
rest
of
the
meeting.
AE
But
I
do
support
what
council
member
amanda
vaughn
said
about
d.
AE
G
B
Rather
than
go
over
everything
I'll
just
hit
that
the
zoning
items
are
the
ones
that
we
have
parties
of
interest,
those
are
the
people
that
have
been
notified
and
received
a
letter
they're
either
parties
of
interest
directly
or
they're
within
250
feet,
and
so
those
individuals
have
been
asked
to
register
any
thoughts
or
concerns
because
they're
in
the
neighborhood
and
direct
related
and
then
after
they
speak,
then
we
have
offered
the
opportunity
to
have
other
public
speak
and
it's
it's
somewhat
disruptive
to
have
those
we're
trying
to
do
the
best.
B
L
AN
AO
Yes,
you're
on,
thank
you,
so
thank
you
so
very
much
sheila
starkovich
lingual
on
westwood
drive.
Thank
you
very
much
josh
for
listening
to
us
and
dee.
It
works
very
well
on
behalf
of
the
neighborhood.
D
Well,
thanks,
sheila
and
dave.
I
know
I
exchanged
a
lot
of
emails
with
with
you
and
other
neighbors
and
council
member
voss
engaged
and
helped
help
figure
out
the
solution
too.
So
thanks
everyone
for
being
engaged
and
reaching
out.
B
AI
G
Yeah
finally,
thank
you
because
earlier
I
didn't
get
you
you
never
unmuted
me,
so
I
didn't
even
get
a
chance
to
talk
and
it
sounded
like
there
was
something
wrong
on
my
end,
but
there
wasn't
anything
wrong.
It's
a
new
macbook,
so
I
know
the
thing
that
I
wanted
to
speak
on
was
a
couple
of
items
ago,
when
you
guys
didn't
actually
give
us
a
chance
to
talk
on
the
item
for
police
parking
lot.
G
G
It
is
pertaining
to
that
because
it's
just
as
important,
because
we
had
a
whole
lot
of
folks
that
wanted
to
speak
on
that
because
you,
you
guys,
have
proved
something.
That's
two-thirds
of
the
city,
the
civil
and
human
rights
commission's
budget
to
spend
on
the
police
parking
lot.
O
AC
Thank
you
yes,
I'm
concerned,
because
you
know
I
feel
like
there's
really
no
point
in
you
pretending
to
listen
to
us
when
you're,
actively
muting
people
and
not
listening
to
what
they
have
to
say
like
there
are.
There
are
some
points
that
I
would
have
liked
to
have
made
several
agenda
items
ago.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
simply.
AC
AC
yeah,
can
you
go
ahead
and
explain
any
of
the
coding
that's
going
on
in
any
of
these,
and
any
of
these
these
things
going
on
just
you
know
so
that
I
understand
what
you're
talking
about,
because
I'm
not
a
coding
master
and
also
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
you
understand
what
you're
talking
about,
because
I
really
don't
know
if
you
do,
because
you
can't
even
run
a
freaking
zoom.
B
I
B
That's
disruptive,
unfortunately,
let's
move
on
to
the
next
speaker.
AP
A
AP
B
B
All
right,
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table:
72
a
b
c
d
with
a
modification
in
e.
Would
you
pull
the
council?
Please.
R
B
Okay
for
those
watching
the
agenda
item
73
was
withdrawn
by
the
city
manager
and
it
will
be
brought
back
at
a
later
date
that
takes
us
to
73.
B
B
20-389,
scott,
I'm
gonna
ask
you
to
speak
real
quickly
on
this.
This
has
been
an
ever-moving
negotiation
that
has
taken
a
rather
long
period
of
time
and
it's
my
understanding
that
there's
a
lot
of
work
yet
to
be
done,
but
they're
making
the
best
efforts
to
to
close
this
out.
H
Yes,
mayor,
thank
you
so
this
this
has
been
worked
on
for
even
25
years.
Now,
I
believe,
and
in
the
last
several
months
we
have
had
good
conversations
with
all
partners
involved.
H
Once
the
courts
have
approved
the
consent
decree
that
within
six
months,
the
city
would
take
possession
of
the
land
and
the
epa
would
start
work
on
removing
of
the
buildings
with
the
most
contamination.
H
They
would
also
move
the
what's
called
pump
and
treat
facility
off
to
one
side
with
new
equipment,
and
they
would
remediate
the
pond
as
well.
That
will
leave
two
buildings
for
the
city
to
remove
on
site
and
then
the
site
would
be
completely
cleared
of
structures
other
than
the
pump
and
treat
that
would
remain
this.
This
is
a
great
success
for
the
city
and
and
having
that
partnership
in
place
and
look
forward
to
to
removing
this
blight
on
a
very
important
corridor
by
the
way,
with
over
16
000
daily
trips.
B
All
right,
thanks
for
the
update
scott,
any
questions
from
council
on
the
consent
has
come
upon
us
pretty
quickly
here,
after
a
number
of
delays
for
a
number
of
years,.
X
L
D
Mr
mayor,
I
I
move
item
73i.
I
I
want
to
thank
the
the
staff
and
all
of
the
work.
That's
been
done
to
get
this
site
cleaned
up
and
get
it
back
into
better
use
for
our
our
community
so
appreciate
the
work.
That's
gone
into
this
it's
an
important
step
forward
and
will
be
good
for,
for
that
whole
whole
area,
south
of
downtown.
AC
Jacob
yeah
hi
I
just.
AC
Go
I'm
sorry,
what's
your
name,
my
name
is
jacob.
Can
I
help
you?
Thank
you.
Yeah
I'd
like
to
comment
on
how
this
is
actually
an
illegal
meeting,
and
I
would
be
really
impressed
and
and
interested
to
see
what
the
aclu
would
think
of
your
your
your
tactics
and
your
habits
so.
C
G
AQ
I
want
to
speak
specifically
about
this
site
in
relation
to
the
unhoused
population
in
des
moines,
that
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
people
like
des
moines
is
experiencing
housing
crisis
right
now
and
a
lot
of
people
who
don't
have
housing
wind
up
living,
sometimes
intense
in
this
area,
sometimes
on
this
site,
but
particularly
all
around
this
area.
AQ
So
I
would
like
to
see
the
city
council
take
some
really
strong
action
to
ensure
that
any
housing
that
is
developed
on
this
site
or
around
this
site
is
affordable,
and
I
would
also
like
to
see
the
city
take
action
to
end
the
violent
evictions
of
people
who
are
camping
on
city
property,
particularly
this
site.
People
are
living
there.
They
have
no
notice
the
police
come
and
they
throw
all
their
belongings
in
the
trash
and
tell
them
to
move
along,
and
I
I
think
that's.
AQ
H
B
All
right
any
other
comments
on
the
superfund
site.
A
That's,
let's.
A
AI
Better
hello,
this
is
laura.
I
had
a
question
if
the
council
knows
a
timeline
at
all
with
the
superfund
site,
if,
when
things
will
be
removed,
cleaned
up
and
available
for
new
buildings
on
that
site,
is
there
anything.
H
Yeah,
so
the
next
step
is
the
consent
decree
to
be
approved
by
the
courts.
We
don't
know
when
exactly
that
will
occur,
but
after
that
point,
within
six
months
the
city
would
take
possession
and
you'd
start
to
see
the
cleanup
occur.
So
I
would
anticipate
sometime
late
in
the
spring
possibly
early
summer.
You
would
see
activity
on
the
site
and
it
would
likely
take
two
construction
seasons
to
get
the
full
demolition
completed.
B
Thank
you
for
the
question
next
next
speaker.
B
AJ
Okay,
sorry
about
that,
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
would
be
able
to
answer
this
or
not,
but
from
what
I'm
looking
at
it
looks
like
the
superfund
site
was
a
former
steel
manufacturing
place
and
chemical
pesticide
place,
and
so
I
was
just
kind
of
wondering
about
what
harm
that
can
cause
the
environment
as
they're
digging
into
it.
If
it
can
go
into
the
water.
B
A
H
A
AR
You're
on
hi,
this
is
pam
cooks,
the
assistant
city
manager.
The
site
has
lots
of
constraints
that
go
with
it.
We
are
not
allowed
to
break
the
cap
without
having
a
plan
with
epa
of
how
we're
going
to
do
that.
So
there's
a
lot
of
precautions
in
place
to
make
sure
that
the
contamination
that's
on
site
is
not
disrupted
and
not
allowed
to
contaminate
further.
B
Okay,
good:
let's
go
ahead
and
we've
got
a
motion.
I
believe,
let's
pull
the
council.
B
All
right,
thank
you
item
74..
This
isn't
really
an
item
for
discussion.
This
is
to
announce
the
appointment
of
nicholas
shaw
as
a
finance
director
and
confirmation,
as
the
city
treasurer
scott.
Do
you
want
to
make
quick
comment
on
this.
H
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
I
just
I
want
to
congratulate
nick
has
been
chosen
as
our
finance
director
and
along
with
those
responsibilities,
come
the
treasurer's
responsibilities.
So
that's
why
this
item
is
on
for
the
council.
H
Approval,
along
with
those
duties
then
also
come
the
wra
treasurer
responsibilities
as
well,
so
there's
a
little
bit
of
weight
on
nick's
shoulders,
but
I
know
he
can
take
that
he's
been
our
interim
finance
director
for
a
while,
now
and
prior
to
that
versus
the
finance
director
coming
out
of
iowa
city
with
experience
and
some
other
work
experience
even
prior
to
that.
So
I
have
every
confidence
and
index
abilities
and
look
forward
to
working
with
him
for
a
very
long
time
here.
B
Thanks
scott
and
congratulations
nick,
we
look
forward
to
working
with
you.
Could
we
get
a
motion.
N
B
All
right,
the
next
item
is
74i
again.
This
is
just
announcing
from
council
member
bozen,
chair
of
the
city
personnel
committee,
which
is
myself
ms
bozen
and
mr
boss
to
consider
and
receive
an
approval
of
the
city
council,
personnel
committee's
annual
review
and
compensation
review
for
the
council's
direct
reports,
and
that
would
be
the
city
manager,
the
city
attorney
and
the
city
clerk
councilmember
bozen.
You
want
to
make
some
comments
here.
B
Okay,
any
other
comments
by
council,
if
not
hold
the
council,
please.
A
B
AD
B
B
74I
was
pulled
and
a
had
was
placed
on
consent
and
b
and
c
were
pulled,
so
it
takes
us
to
item
75.
These
are
communications
and
reports
and
requests
to
speak
on
the
following.
Our
first
speaker
this
evening
is
felicia
hilton
and
regarding
support
for
council
member
gatto
and
the
des
moines
in
the
city
of
des
moines,
felicia.
AK
Okay,
well
felicia
hilton,
I'm
an
african-american
woman.
I
live
in
des
moines.
I
have
several
sun
grandsons
and
I
wanted
to
speak
to
black
lives
matter
and
what
is
going
on
around
the
country
and
also
in
des
moines
and
at
first.
I
want
to
say
that
I
do
support
councilman
joe
gardo
and
I
do
support
the
council,
because
I've
seen
hostile
city
governments
and
I'm
not
saying
that
the
people
that
are
upset
with
council
at
this
time
and
how
the
police
had
treated
them
when
they
were
protesting.
AK
Doesn't
you
know,
isn't
important,
but
I
do
think
that
for
us
to
really
find
a
way
to
move
forward
that
the
hostility
towards
council
and
the
hostility
towards
the
protesters
has
to
somewhat
calm
down-
and
I
think
that
you
know
the
police
and
the
police
union
as
a
whole
do
have
to
address
the
issues
that
the
black
community
is
trying
to
express
right
now
and
the
city
council
has
taken
a
lot
of
heat,
I
believe
on
behalf
of
the
police,
but
I
do
think
that
it
is
up
to
the
police
to
own
something
that
is
their
issue.
AK
I'm
not
saying
that
the
des
moines
police
are
the
same
as
any
as
some
of
the
incidents
that
have
been
happening,
but
I
don't
think
the
city
needs
to
wait
for
that
to
happen
in
order
for
us
to
work
with
community
and
figure
out
what
the
police
can
do
now,
and
I
think
that
if
the
police
or,
if
you
guys,
can
really
get
the
police
to
address
the
issues
that
are
happening
now
before
there
is
an
incident,
and
I'm
not
saying
there
will
be,
but
I
think
at
the
situation
that
we're
in
now,
if
there
were
to
be
an
incident,
it's
a
powder
keg
and
I
don't
think
it's
helpful
and
I
I
do
believe
that
there
is
a
way
forward.
AK
But
I
don't
think
there's
a
way
forward.
If
it's
the
people
against
city,
council
or
the
people,
you
know
having
to
tolerate
the
the
situation
of
being
tear
gassed
and
those
types
of
things
by
the
police.
But
I
do
not
believe
that
joe
gatto
is
a
racist
or
anybody
else.
Thank.
AE
AK
A
B
Okay,
let's
leave
that
open
in
case
we
can
identify
her
and
let's
move
on
to
adam
callahan.
Regarding
the
concerns
to
recent
council
meetings,.
W
Oh,
can
you
hear
me
adam?
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can
okay
yeah
first
off,
my
name
is
adam
tallahan,
I'm
not
calvin.
Just
so
you
know.
I
live
in
downtown
des
moines,
hem
pronouns
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
des
moines
needs
and
deserves
a
city
council
that
listens
to
its
community.
The
current
des
moines
city
council
has
shown
that
they're
not
only
uninterested
in
community
voices
but
are
actually
antagonistic
towards
them.
W
Felicia
right
before
me
was
talking
about
the
hostilities
and
what
we're
seeing
in
meetings
like
this
is
before
anybody
even
speaks.
The
council
is
already
hostile
towards
us
and
I
don't
think
we
can
move
forward
in
any
way,
shape
or
form,
while
council
is
hostile
towards
us
and
also
rule
number
three
of
des
moines
city
council
procedure
states.
That
meetings
should
be
public.
These
meetings
are
clearly
not
public,
as
people
are
being
left
out
of
them.
Yeah.
W
Getting
into
more
of
the
details,
we've
had
we've
not
had
a
city
council
meeting
in
over
20
days
in
the
midst
of
a
global
pandemic
and
in
the
aftermath
of
the
storm
unacceptable,
and
this
is
especially
grotesque.
After
city
council
held
an
emergency
meeting
to
funnel
unconditional
100
thousand
dollars
to
police
in
a
rush
vote
without
public
comment
to
city
council,
police
needing
weapons
is
more
of
an
emergency
than
a
pandemic
police
violence
or
a
storm,
and
that's
really
really
disappointing.
W
Outside
of
council
meeting
city
councils
allowed
and
encouraged
police
violence
against
non-violent
protesters,
this
has
occurred.
Various
times
was
most
clear
and
protesters
took
to
the
streets
to
march
in
city
council
and
were
met
with
a
bearcat
military
vehicle
and
riot
police.
They
remained
in
the
road
and
threatened
protesters
with
arrests
and
weapons
using
a
sonic
weapon
in
the
process.
This
was
to
prevent
a
protest
from
marching
near
a
city
council
member's
business,
which
is
a
clear
conflict
of
interest
where
police
are
acting
as
private
security.
First
for
a
public
official's
private
business.
W
On
top
of
the
act
itself,
council
made
the
situation
worse
by
refusing
to
acknowledge
it
in
the
city
council
meeting
that
happened
days
later.
We
need
an
anti-racist
city
council
that
is
open
listening
to
community
members,
and
we
don't
have
that
right
now,
if
you,
if
none
of
you
are
willing
to
stand
up
for
community
members
that
are
being
silenced
in
meetings
like
this,
you
need
to
resign
so
that
other
people
can
come
in
that
will
actually
listen
to
community
members.
Thank.
B
You
move
on
to
zach
zach
robles
regarding
covet
19.
B
A
B
Okay,
well,
let's
keep
an
eye
out
and
let's
move
on
then
to
e,
which
is
matthew,
gilbert
who's,
an
attorney
for
larry
mason
jr
regarding
minority
business
in
the
east
village,.
B
Let's
move
on
then
f
is
john
leonetti.
Regarding
the
des
moines
police
department
is
john
on.
G
AS
O
A
Any
luck
nobody's
here,
mark
ford.
B
AL
O
AL
AL
AL
We
are
aware
that
members
of
the
police
union
have
expressed
disdain
and
hand-delivered
letters
to
council
members
regarding
comments
made
by
councilman
josh
mandelbaum
on
august
20th,
expressing
concern
about
the
arrests
of
two
protesters
which
occurred
five
days
after
the
protest,
along
with
concern
about
escalating.
Rather
than
de-escalating
the
situation.
AL
AL
B
B
O
B
C
AA
Is
brad
titus,
I'm
a
long
time
resident
of
des
moines
and
a
member
of
iowa
cci,
and
I'm
appalled
by
the
lengths
to
which
the
des
moines
police
department
will
go
to
suppress
the
voices
of
concerned
citizens
and
even
of
council
members
by
hand
delivering
letters
to
each
of
you
to
avoid
being
subject
to
the
open
records
law.
There
needs
to
be
accountability
with
chief
wenger
and
with
anyone
who
chooses
to
utilize
bullying
tactics
to
silence
individuals.
AA
AA
AA
AA
B
Fertel
regarding
the
relationship
between
the
police
and
community
and
ongoing
interaction
with
people
of
color
is
janet.
AF
AF
One
of
the
requests
we
had
in
our
proposed
six-point
ordinance
to
ban
racial
profiling
was
a
citizens
review
board
which
you
refuted.
You
provided
every
reason
why
the
community
did
not
need
a
citizen
review
board,
but
these
behaviors
by
the
dmpd
illustrate
why
we
absolutely
do
need
a
citizens
review
board.
The
police
cannot
be
allowed
to
police
themselves.
AF
AF
B
L
was
not
used,
m
is
luke
bascom
regarding
defunding,
the
police
is
luke
on.
K
B
AI
AN
All
right
yeah,
I
just
want
to
start
by
saying
that
I
think
you
all
should
revert
to
the
original
rules
that
were
in
place
until
they
were
changed
two
weeks
ago.
It's
pretty
clear
to
myself
that
that
change
was
made,
because
you
were
getting
frustrated
with
the
frequent
criticism
you
were
getting
in
city
council
meetings
and
we
don't
need
to
be
silencing
folks.
For
that
reason,
I
want
to
speak
on
defunding
the
des
moines
police
department.
Tonight
there
are
a
litany
of
reasons
as
to
why
we
need
to
do
so.
AN
I
know
you
all
are
aware
of
the
well-documented
cases
of
profiling
and
brutality
that
have
happened
on
the
hands
of
the
des
moines
police
department.
I
know
this
because
you
have
authorized
the
payments
to
the
victims
of
those
cases
that
cost
the
city
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars.
It
would
be
naive
to
think
that
these
are
isolated
incidents
and
not
part
of
a
larger
trend.
For
instance,
black
folks
are
seven
times
more
likely
to
be
arrested
on
marijuana
charges
in
iowa
and
10
times
more
likely
to
be
incarcerated
than
white
folks.
AN
Dmpd
are
a
large
contributor
to
this
abhorrent
disparity.
I
believe
we
need
to
fully
defend
to
fund
the
des
moines
police
department.
I
know
you
all
still
need
to
come
to
that
conclusion.
I
hope
you
do
soon,
but
the
dmpd
budget
is
so
bloated.
One
step
we
can
take
now
to
cut
down
on
that
70
million
dollars
that
you
all
authorized
would
be
to
get
rid
of
the
sro
programs.
AN
That
was
a
million
dollars
248
000
that
you
allocated
last
year,
given
the
disparities
of
arrests
based
on
race
that
I
mentioned,
the
sros
are
really
concerning
to
have
in
schools,
because
they're
only
making
schools
unsafe
and
unwelcoming
for
black
students
and
for
all
students
of
color
and
so
cutting
down
on
that
program
would
be
one
place
to
start,
but
in
general
folks
are
struggling
to
pay
rent
right
now.
AN
Our
water
continues
to
be
extremely
polluted
and
we're
getting
giving
70
million
dollars
to
the
des
moines
police
department
that
is,
making
our
communities
less
safe
and
not
acting
as
the
supposed
public
safety
department
that
they
are
supposed
to
be.
So
I
think,
it's
time
to
start
taking
those
steps
and
to
make
a
plan
to
defund
the
des
moines
police
department.
A
O
B
O
AS
AS
Being
silent
on
this
means,
you're
complicit
with
the
efforts
of
the
union
you'd
rather
look
the
other
way
and
avoid
the
needed
transparency
that
will
rebuild
trust
with
the
community
council.
Member
mandel
malm
did
not
look
the
other
way
but
expressed
his
opinion.
As
a
voting
citizen
of
des
moines,
we
will
not
accept
the
other
way.
AS
B
All
right
could
is
deborah
still
on.
Okay,.
B
M
Okay,
this
is
linda
and
I
just
sent
you
a
message.
I
think
deb
is
saying,
call
brenda.
O
B
We
would
encourage
those
who
have
had
technical
difficulties
tonight
if
you
couldn't
get
on
or
we
couldn't
find
you.
Please
send
your
comments
to
the
city
manager's
office
and
we'll
see
if
we
can
get
you
a
response,
and
but
we
do
want
your.
B
A
Yeah-
and
I
I
mean
I
can't
call
her-
that's
I
it
wouldn't
be
part
of
the
of
the
meeting
yeah,
so
I
mean
I
don't
have
the
ability
to
include
her
that
way
if
they're
able
to
get
on
zoom
and
brent
brenda,
are
you
with
deborah.