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From YouTube: 9-3-20 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting via teleconference on Thursday, Sept. 3, 2020.
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item
number
two
city
initiated
initiated
requests
for
vacation
of
the
east-west
alley
between
east
sheridan
avenue
and
arthur
avenue
from
first
street
to
oxford
street
in
the
vicinity
of
113
east
sheridan
avenue.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
anyone
online
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item?
Please
raise
your
hand,
raise
your
hand
or
you
know,
star.
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The
applicant
has
a
existing
plumbing
and
mechanical
shop.
Business
is
wanting
to
do
some
site
improvements
in
order
to
be
able
to
incorporate
outdoor
storage,
they
are
seeking
i1
zoning
I'll
get
into
the
zoning
and
land
use
plan
amendments
a
little
bit
further,
but
first
I
did
want
to
show
you
this
site
concept.
That's
been
provided
by
the
applicant.
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We
are
not
at
a
site
plan
review
stage,
but
through
the
zoning
process
we
usually
ask
for
some
sort
of
concept
to
show
the
applicant's
intentions,
so
you
can
see
the
footprints
of
the
sub
of
the
existing
building,
showing
kind
of
a
landscape
perimeter
around
the
outside
area
of
the
kind
of
a
paved
parking
and
then
there's
a
note.
I
can
zoom
in
if,
if
need
be,
but
identifies
this
area
as
being
outdoor
storage,.
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I
can
see
the
staff
report
that
the
council
rezoned
the
property
in
march
of
2019
from
r180
to
c2,
subject
to
conditions,
so
this
was
this
process
started
prior
to
the
current
or
new
zoning
ordinance
and
design
standards
being
in
place.
There
were
four
conditions
that
were
placed
whoops.
Excuse
me
upon
the
property
as
part
of
that
zoning
condition.
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And
then
there's
just
been
some
communication
with
the
applicant.
They
had
a
pre-application
meeting
july
of
this
year
to
get
them
up
to
speed
on
the
new
new
standards
and
then
so
they've
come
in
with
a
rezoning
request
and
then
understand
that
they
would
have
a
site
plan
to
follow
that
the
existing
future
land
use
map-
and
I
think,
maybe
I'll-
do
I'm
going
to
flip
to
photograph
here
we
go.
This
is
a
zoomed
out
map
of
the
of
the
larger
area
you
can
see
the
subject.
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Property
is
in
the
middle
of
the
map
highlighted
in
black.
This
is
showing
the
different.
This
is
the
future
land
use
map
showing
the
different
designations.
You
can
see.
The
property
currently
is
designated
as
community
mixed
use,
this
red
color,
some
of
the
other
future
land
use
map
designations
that
you
find
in
the
area
are
low
density,
residential,
medium
density,
residential,
some
public
semi
public
park.
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Let
me
go
ahead
and
jump
back
to
the
staff
recommendation
in
the
staff
report,
so
we
are
not
supportive
of
amending
the
future
land
use
map.
We
believe
the
community
mixed
use.
Designation
is
what
makes
sense
here.
So
we
are
recommending
denial
of
that
part
of
the
application,
along
with
denial
of
rezoning
the
property
to
an
i1
district.
To
allow
outdoor
storage,
we
did
offer
an
alternative.
We
noted
that
the
mx3
district
would
allow
the
use.
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He
indicated
that
the
entire
south
end
of
the
pretty
much
the
entire
south
third
end
of
the
property
is
going
to
be
for
material
storage.
That
is
not
correct.
Most
of
the
pipes
or
anything
that
is
going
to
be
stored
outside
will
be
covered
with
an
awning
and
two
sides.
The
only
visible
direction
would
be
from
the
south
to
the
north,
because
unfortunately,
some
of
the
materials
that
I
do
store
most
of
them,
I
would
say
I
have
inside
ninety
percent
of
the
materials
that
I
have
are
stored
inside
the
warehouse
building.
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Unfortunately,
with
the
with
the
trade
that
I'm
in,
I
do
deal
with
some
pipes
that
are
extremely
heavy
that
need
to
be
lifted
with
equipment
and
moved
around
with
equipment.
Concrete
pipes.
You
know
big
sewer
pipes,
18
inch
24
inch
whatever,
but
I
am
gonna
make.
You
know
the
necessary
adjustments
like
doing
a
six
foot,
cedar
privacy
fence
along
the
west
side
of
the
building,
the
south
end
of
the
building
and
the
east
side
of
the
building
to
connect
to
the
pool
bar
or
the
the
metal
warehouse.
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You
know
like
a
kind
of
like
an
awning
over
the
top
of
it,
so
there'll,
be
nobody
really
be
able
to
see,
see
those
pipes,
the
other
stuff
I
do
have
equipment
and
trucks
vans
stuff
like
that,
sometimes
the
guys
leave
at
my
shop.
I've
got
a
couple
trailers
and
some
pickups
that
tow
the
trailers.
Those
would
be
parked
there,
which
is
why
I
would
put
the
privacy
fence
up
as
well.
H
So
I
mean
outdoor
storage
isn't
really
what's
going
to
be
done,
it
will
be
outdoors,
but
it
will
be
covered
and
concealed.
It's
not
just
going
to
be.
Laying
out
there
like
it,
would
it
like
a
plumbing
supply
place
like
a
municipal
supply
where
they
have
just
pallets
of
pipe
everywhere.
It
won't
be
like
that.
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So
I'm
not
sure
if
that
makes
a
difference,
I'm
just.
Unfortunately,
I've
been
in
this
building
now
for
over
15
years,
the
the
people
before
me,
the
underground
owned
it
before
me.
So
for
quite
a
few
years,
this
this
place
has
been
on
a
trade
level.
As
far
as
the
you
know,
what
the
building
uses
for,
and
I'm
just
trying
to
get
my
you
know,
get
a
nice
concrete
parking
lot
trying
to
clean
the
area.
You
know
I've
talked
to
greg
who's
at
francie's,
he's
very
excited
about
it.
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This
the
bowling
alley
is
really
excited
about
it,
larry
adair
who
actually
mows
the
heart.
Here
you
know,
he's
really
excited
to
associate
the
president
of
the
southern
hills.
Association
actually
reached
out
and
called
me,
and
you
know,
was
really
looking
forward
to
everything
getting
cleaned
up.
So
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
make
it
nice,
but
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
the
pipe
storage
is
not
gonna,
be
the
entire
third
of
the
back
of
the
lot.
H
Oh,
I
guess
the
word
is
because
there's
nothing
else
around
me
like
that.
I
don't
know
if
that
should
actually
determine
whether
or
not
this
should
be
zoned
i1.
If
I'm
making
the
accommodations
to
you
know
to
store
stuff
in
the
proper
manner
it
just
doesn't
seem
you
know
I
had.
Nobody
is
objective
to
it
around
the
neighborhood.
Everybody
is
in
favor
of
doing
it.
The
only
people
not
in
favor
doing
it
are
the
people
downtown
that
don't
even
live
around
here.
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So
I
mean
it's
a
very
small
portion
of
where
I
and
like
I
said,
the
only
pipes
that
I
store
outside
are
strictly
pipes
that
are
just
too
big
or
really
too
long
to
fit
into
my
shop
that
I
need
equipment
to
get
to
that.
I
can't
lift
it
out
of
my
shop
and
get
it
out.
I
gotta
be
able
to
get
back
there
with
equipment
like
a
skid,
loader
or
a
backhoe,
and
pick
that
stuff
up
and
load
it
onto
a
trailer.
So
it's
not
a
lot
of
pipes.
H
I
don't
like
storing
my
stuff
outside,
but
unfortunately,
some
of
the
stuff
I
kind
of
have
to
just
for
accessibility
reasons.
I,
like
all
my
pipes,
fittings,
I
mean
plastic
and
steel
and
copper
all
that
stuff.
I
have
pipe
racks
inside
the
warehouse
that
I
store
all
that
stuff.
This
is
just
mainly
for
the
bigger
stuff
and
I've
never
really
had
anything
a
lot
of
pipe
out
there.
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Yeah,
well
that's
an
excellent
question.
If
you
know
if
the
commission
is
inclined
to
support
something
but
has
concerns
about
some
of
the
what
what
we
might
be
opening
the
site
up
to
with
future
ownership
and
business
models,
we
certainly
could
come
up
with
a
list
of
conditions
to
be
very
specific
to
the
applicant's
operation.
A
If
the,
if
you
know
if
a
majority
of
the
commission
was
interested
in
that,
I
would
actually
suggest
that
you
continue
the
item
to
the
next
meeting
and
allow
us
time
to
work
on
that
and
then
also
to
get
more
information
from
the
applicant
on
the
you
know
like
an
email
at
least
or
something
in
writing
that
describes
what
he
shared
with
us
tonight.
You
can
see
the
drawing
in
front
of
you
that
the
information
about
what's
happening
with
outdoor
storage
and
equipment
is
was
fairly
general
on
what
we've
been
provided.
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That
is
an
alternative
that
we
could
look
at
I'm
concerned.
I
don't
know
from
a
zoning
perspective
if
we
could
call
that
some
sort
of
building
that
the
commission
could
give
type
to
relief
to
with
the
site
plan
or
if
that's
something
that
would
require
zoning
board
adjustment
relief
as
a
use
variance
to
allow
outdoor
storage
since
there's
so
many
requests.
For
I
one
was
developed
jason.
J
This
is
mike
ludwig
playing
administrator.
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
use,
some
sort
of
use,
variance
from
the
board
of
adjustments,
since
outdoor
storage
is
not
allowed,
so
I
think
one
option
would
be
to
rezone
it
to
a
limited
i1
zoning
district
and
restrict
the
uses
to
those
that
are
allowed
in
the
mx3
zoning
district
plus
outdoor
storage,
as
shown
on
the
site
plan
or
something
of
that
respect.
But
I
agree
with
jason.