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From YouTube: 11-5-20 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting via teleconference on Thursday, Nov. 5, 2020.
A
Commission
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda.
The
city
of
des
moines
is
pleased
to
provide
accommodations
to
individuals
or
groups
with
disabilities
and
encourages
participation
in
city
government.
Please
know
that
typical
accommodations
may
be
limited
by
emergency
requirements,
as
issued
by
the
state
of
iowa
and
the
city
of
des
moines.
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E
A
F
H
A
H
J
I
know
okay,
I
would
recommend
jam.
This
is
glory.
I
am
the
one
who
set
up
the
zoom
meeting.
My
recommendation
would
be
for
you
to
go
ahead
and
log
off
go
to
your
email,
to
the
new
link
that
I
just
resent
you
and
try
that
yeah
and
if
I
may
take
a
moment,
but
go
ahead
and
try
that
I
think
that's
best.
Okay,
I
I.
I
A
L
L
L
B
A
K
Would
help
if
I
was
unmuted
so
on
the
consent
hearing
items
we
have
a
request
from
mundo:
nito
llc,
owner
1922
southwest
first
street,
represented
by
guadalupe
castillo
for
vacation
of
the
west
six
feet
of
southwest
first
street
between
columbus
avenue
and
indianola
road.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
public
who
wishes
to
pull
this
from
consent.
E
E
A
C
L
E
Yes,
madam
chair,
this
is
eric
glundy
senior
city
planner.
This
item,
as
you
had
indicated,
has
been
continued
from
a
few
previous
meetings.
One
difference
here
that
you
should
be
aware
of
is
that
this
meeting
has
now
been
also
noticed
for
a
preliminary
plat.
So
you
would,
if
you
see
part
e,
there's
a
preliminary
plot
that
was
submitted,
that's
being
included
with
these
items
that
is
related
to
the
large-scale
development
plan
and
I'll
go
over
that.
So
that's
different.
The
other
thing
is
you.
E
You
were
sent
an
agenda
that
had
a
has
a
revised
language
for
part
f,
and
so
I
wanted
to
go
over
that.
That
includes
the
the
indication
that
the
p2
public,
civic
and
institutional
district
along
with
dx2,
would
be
going
to
dx1.
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
included
in
the
in
the
action,
so
that
has
been
that's
the.
That
was
the
one
of
the
substance
of
your
correction
on
the
agenda
and
on
this
item,
so
I'm
going
to
kind
of
go
through
the
different
parts
here.
E
E
E
That
we
just
mentioned-
and
then
this
is
the
area
of
the
zoning
boundary,
you
can
see,
there's
two
separate
category
separate
areas
that
are
being
zoned
to
different
designations.
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
boundary
here
between
that
those
two
areas
that
you
can
see
on
this
map
and
I'll
have
another
map
that
went
with
the
roll
call
that
kind
of
shows
that
maybe
a
little
better
with
colors.
E
E
E
This
is
probably
the
most
crucial
sheet
of
the
the
plan.
This
shows
kind
of
the
future
uses
contemplated
and
if
you
see
this
hatched
area
across
here,
that
represents
the
viewshed
corridor
project
protection
area,
and
that
is
the
that
goes
hand
in
hand
with
the
proposed
text
amendment
which
I
will
also
show
you
here
in
a
moment
that
will
allow
consideration
of
variation
or
design
alternatives
to
allow
development
that
would
go
higher
than
the
maximum
heights
designated
by
chapter
135.
E
E
E
This
is
a
model
that
again
the
view
shed
cor.
The
view
shed
protection
area
was
based
on
this
modeling
that
was
provided
by
the
the
developer
and
also
worked
with
city
staff
in
our
I.t
department
to
develop
as
you
can.
This
is
a
view
from
in
the
model
of
from
home
plate
of
based
on
a
form
model
of
kind
of
a
maximum
type
build
with
the
capital.
In
the
background,
so
you
can
see
where
the
capital
is
being
able
to
be
viewed
through
the
view
shen
corridor.
E
E
This
is
a
view
kind
of
a
bird's
eye
view
over
the
area.
So,
looking
up
above,
you
can
see
the
capital
in
the
background
again
that
view
shed
plane
is
expressed
in
that
form
of
the
building
shown
in
that
view
shed
corridor
again,
that's
that's
the
that's.
This
is
representative.
As
of
what
is
shown
in
the
large
scale
development
plan.
E
This
is
an
example
of
the
other
view
from
the
capitol
looking
down
through
the
locusts
east
locust
street
corridor,
and
then
this
kind
of
shows
looking
the
other
direction.
With
the
view
shed
protection
area
shown
in
that
dark,
blue
is
the
is
that
kind
of
that
maximum
plane
of
the
view
shed
corridor
for
the
protection.
E
This
outlines
a
different
approach
to
the
process
when
there's
a
large
scale
development
plan
in
place,
giving
the
ability
for
type
2
and
type
1
and
type
2
design
alternatives
depending
upon
whether
whether
it
exceeds
the
the
heights
for
the
district
outside
of
the
view
shed
protection
area
and
then,
of
course,
within
the
the
view
shed
protection
area.
The
other
thing
that's
being
recommended
here
tonight
is
that
that
view
shed
protection
area
be
legally
described
and
made
as
part
of
the
rezoning
as
a
condition
as
a
maximum
plane
of
height.
E
And
I'm
there
I'm
just
showing
you
this
again,
so
you
can
sort
of
see
that
that
corridor
so
outside
of
the
corridor.
We
still
want
to
adhere
to
these
maximum
heights.
There
is
a
design
alternative
process
afforded
by
the
change
in
the
text
to
chapter
135,
based
on
reference
to
each
of
the
given
blocks
that
that
are
shown
here
with
maximum
heights.
Again,
that's
in
your
staff
report
listed
in
a
listed
out
in
the
staff
recommendation.
E
E
E
Information,
I
want
to
highlight
I
kind
of
want
to
get
to
the
crux
of
it
and
and
get
into
the
staff
recommendation
itself
and
then,
if
you
have
any
questions
as
a
commission,
you're
you're
certainly
welcome
to
ask
me
I'm
trying
to
move
through
this
as
quickly
as
we
can
with
the
long
agenda
part
a.
We
are
recommending
approval
of
the
of
the
vacation
of
that
segment
of
raccoon
street.
In
that
north-south
segment
of
alley,
it
is
anticipated.
E
Part
b
staff
is
recommending
that
the
approval
of
the
amendment
to
the
chapter
135
regulations
for
the
capital
dominance
area
to
modify
the
design
alternative
allowances
there
for
type
ones
and
type
twos
part
c.
The
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
development
developer,
initiated
large
scale
development
plan
and.
E
The
city
initiated
rezoning
be
found,
in
conformance
with
the
plan
dsm,
creating
our
tomorrow
comprehensive
plan,
which
includes
the
market
district
master
plan.
As
an
element,
then
part
d
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
that
developer,
initiated
large
scale
development
plan
for
the
area
and
the
adoption
of
that
document.
E
As
a
revision
to
the
market
district
of
the
east
village
master
plan
element
of
the
plan
dsm
creating
our
tomorrow
comprehensive
plan,
subject
to
the
addition
of
the
table
that
was
shown
on
sheet
3,
which,
at
the
time
this
was
drafted,
was
not
in
hand.
So
that's
been
updated
and
you
you
saw
that
that
was
on
the
document
now
with
what's
submitted,
indicating
that
the
maximum
building
heights
outside
the
identified
view
shed
corridor
with
the
following
heights
for
the
corresponding
block
numbers,
and
you
can
see
that
listed
there.
E
Compliance
with
all
administrative
review
comments,
including
all
the
review
of
the
details
of
the
platt
document,
indication
of
the
plot
that
that
cul-de-sac
that
was
pointed
out
at
southeast
third
south
south
of
raccoon
street,
would
either
be
a
public
or
private
with
any
final
plaid
approval.
So
that
would
allow
that
to
be
platted
either
as
a
public
street
or
created
as
a
lot
for
a
private
street.
E
Then
also
indication
that
storm
water
management
would
be
provided
either
shown
with
the
submitted
design
or
with
detention
volumes
accommodated
by
nearby
regional
facilities
to
be
constructed
by
the
city
of
des
moines
and
in
the
body
of
the
report.
It
was
indicated
that
that
there's
a
regional
basin
facility
to
the
east
here
that
will
go
online
once
it's
developed
through
the
capital
improvements
program
for
the
city.
E
M
M
M
N
Yes,
the
blue
is
reflecting
the
maximum
heights
that
were
in
the
staff
report
on
a
per
block
basis,
so
you
can
see
the
yellow
massing
underneath
that
so
it
basically
the
maximum
heights
that
we
designed
for
each
block
are
specified
for
each
block
on
the
plan
essentially
authorizes
the
model
to
be
built.
Now
that
goes
all
the
way
to
lot
lines.
N
So
that's
why
we
have
the
model
and
the
plan
to
refer
to
for
compliance,
but
there
are
some
areas
like,
for
example,
if
we
go
to
a
little
bit
higher
view,
some
of
that
models
taller
than
what
the
the
dark
blue
will
allow,
so
the
dark
blue
would
govern
and
the
lighter
blue
would
govern.
Those
are
the
maximum
heights
allowed.
M
E
I
O
Yes,
commissioners,
this
is
paul
hayes,
president
of
jsc
properties.
The
developer
of
this
area
address
350
east
locust
street
in
des
moines.
We're
very
happy
to
be
taking
this
important
step.
Working
both
with
the
city
and
mid-american
energy
is
as
part
of
a
what
we
see
is
really
a
transformational
step
in
downtown
des
moines
on
the
east
side
of
the
river
I
just
before
I
introduce
our
design
group
that
will
walk
through
some
of
the
the
features
of
the
area.
O
I
do
want
to
thank
the
city
staff
for
both
their
thoroughness
and
their
diligence,
and
we
do
really
do
appreciate
their
their
efforts
in
in
shepherding
us
through
this
first
large-scale
development
plan
and
through
through
this
planning
and
zoning
process.
They've
done
a
great
job
and
we
do
appreciate
it
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
ask
jim
mcrae
from
design
workshops
to
go
through
the
short
presentation
that
we
have.
P
Yes,
we
can
hear
you,
okay,
jim
mcrae,
1390
lawrence
denver
colorado,
so
I'm
a
consultant
to
paul
to
jsc
urban
design,
landscape
architecture,
part
of
design
workshop.
I
have
a
short
presentation.
There
gave
you
a
very
thorough
overview
of
the
project,
and
so
I
will
just
hit
on
some
of
the
highlight
of
the
the
plan.
The
master
plan
that
we
have
developed,
plus
the
public
improvements
that
we're
currently
working
on
next
slider.
P
P
So
it's
it's
been
a
privilege
to
work
with
everybody
to
you
know
get
to
this
point
and
hopefully
move
this
forward,
but
it
does
take
a
quite
a
bit
of
effort
and
and
everybody
has
to
sort
of
be
aligned
in
the
vision.
So
we're
very
we're
very
happy
to
be
part
of
that
and
feel
like
our
ideas
are,
in
fact
very
much
aligned
to
the
goals
of
the
city
as
a
whole.
Next
slide.
P
P
You
know
we
were
very
much
aware
and
agree
that
urban
districts
need
to
solve
some
of
the
housing
challenges
that
most
cities
have,
so
the
plant
has
envisioned
in
the
kind
of
yellowish
brown
color.
You
know
a
series
of
residential
opportunities
here,
combined
with
the
purple
areas
being
perhaps
employment.
P
P
I'd
simply
say
that
the
darkest
red
line
that
runs
east
and
west
in
the
plan
that's
market
street.
The
idea
of
that
street
is
really
a
very
fundamental
one,
which
is
to
connect
the
future
of
two
rivers
park
along
the
river,
which
hopefully
someday
that
detention
facility
that's
off
to
the
east,
and
so
we've
seen
that
particular
street
as
an
opportunity
to
have
an
iconic
streetscape,
a
signature
streetscape
that
you
have
not
seen
in
your
downtown,
and
I
will
speak
more
to
that
in
a
moment.
The
brighter
red
that
runs
north
and
south
is
4th.
P
P
So
I
this
this
is
a
little
hard
to
see,
but
this
is
a
current
reflection
of
our
our
design
on
the
on
the
landscape
or
streetscapes
associated
to
the
project.
I'll
speak
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
with
some
other
visuals,
but
I
would
just
simply
say
that
each
street,
the
streets
running
in
north-south
orientations,
will
have
a
variety,
a
certain
palette
of
materials,
whereas
the
streets
running
east
and
west
generally
will
have
a
slightly
different
palette.
Although
very
complementary.
P
The
street
trees
there'll
be
a
variety
of
trees
because
we
don't
do
not
want
monocultures.
We
want.
You
know
a
diversity
of
trees
for
really
the
health
and
vibrancy
of
this
community
in
this
district,
and
we
are
following
and
have
been
working
very
closely
with
the
city
on
making
sure
that
the
design
is
compliant
to
all
the
current
standards
and
requirements.
P
Areas
along
the
streets
are
really
functioning
for
water
quality
and
also
have
been
designed
for
detention,
that
being
for
the
private
development
areas
and,
as
eric
mentioned,
we're
currently
looking
at
some
all
an
option
for
that,
but
effectively
the
water
quality
component.
We
would
incorporate
in
and
have
in
this
plan,
regardless
of
the
outcome
of
the
future
detention
fund.
Next
slide.
P
So
I
have
a
couple
of
visuals
here
just
to
show
you
the
kind
of
character.
This
particular
view
is
fourth
street,
so
fourth
street,
looking
off
to
the
north
towards
east
village
in
the
distance,
the
cross
street
would
be
market.
So
it's
just
simply
to
say
that
fourth
street,
as
I
mentioned,
is
a
multimodal
street.
So
you
have
two
lanes
of
traffic
with
on-street
parking
down
the
street
in
certain
areas.
In
this
view,
on
the
left
side,
there's
a
provision
for
a
far
side
bus
stop
and
a
kind
of
a
parklet.
P
You
know
for
seating
and
bus,
shelter
adjacent
to
that
or
just
behind
it
would
be
a
protected
bike
lane
to
make
the
bike
movement
through
the
district,
more
safe
and
convenient
for
bike
riders
and
then
a
landscape
area
that
would
be
a
rain
garden
and
then
a
sidewalk
that
would
be
adjacent
to
the
the
retail
or
commercial
activities
on
the
ground
planes.
So
it's
an
idea
about
this.
Incorporation
of
water
quality
is
really
part
of
the
landscaping
and
the
street
trees
throughout
the
district
next
slide.
P
This
is
a
view
of
market
street.
The
the
street
I
mentioned
that
we
see
is
an
opportunity
to
create
a
signature
street
for
for
really
not
just
the
market
district,
but
we
we
think
for
des
moines
as
a
whole,
so
we're
in
a
position
here
looking
to
the
west
towards
the
park
between
second
and
third
streets,
a
couple
things
the
street
as
a
profile.
P
We
thought
it
would
be
more
interesting
to
envision
this
street
being
able
to
be
used
for
events
and
activities
whereby
portions
of
blocks
might
be
blocked
off.
For
you
know,
concerts
summer,
you
know
activities
to
take
on
that
sort
of
festival,
street
appeal,
and
in
the
context
of
that,
we
really
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
street
and
the
signature
of
it
really
was
rather
was
minimal.
P
You
can
see
in
the
foreground
this
idea
of
what
we
call
festoon
lighting,
which
is
these
kind
of
romantic
sort
of
lights
that
you
see
in
restaurants
and
other
parts
of
the
world
if
you've
traveled
that
that
this
would
sort
of
symbolize
the
sort
of
mid
block,
the
kind
of
mini,
plaza
spaces
that
we
would
have
along
each
block
of
market
and
then
off
in
the
distance.
You
can
see
some
pendant
lights,
some
lights,
that'll
literally
shine
down
on
the
street,
providing
this
kind
of
almost
light,
this
ceiling
of
light.
P
P
P
We
really
do
want
streets
to
feel
different,
because
I
think
people
do
appreciate
that,
but
very
walkable
very
safe.
Nevertheless,
next
slide.
So
finally,
the
last
view
is
a
view
from
the
park.
Looking
again
eastward
you
can
see
market
street
to
the
left
and
portion
of
elm
2nd
street
here
in
the
foreground
that
bends
and
turns
into
elm
street.
P
You
know
the
hope
that
market
street
really
is
kind
of
an
extension
into
the
park.
Although
we're
not
designing
the
park,
the
hope
would
be
that
the
pedestrian
lighting
systems,
the
furniture,
would
really
make
a
nice
visual
connection
to
that
park
someday
and
and
that
that
section
of
market
could
really
be
an
extension
of
the
park
in
terms
of
activities,
as
I
was
mentioning
before.
K
A
K
Q
Well,
dory,
this
is
greg
watia.
I
I
think
I
have
a
question
it
might
be
for
staff,
but
it
might
also
be
for
the
design
team.
This
is
a
fantastic
project.
I
I
can't
say
enough
about
the
work
and
the
ideas.
The
only
potential
concern
I
have
is
given
a
really
good
design
team
like
we
have.
I
wouldn't
worry
at
all
about
what
looked
like
a
skill
saw
slicing
through
masses.
Q
So
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is:
how
do
we
just
ensure
ourselves
and
will
kind
of
alluded
to
it
as
other
design
teams
or
you
know,
come
in
and
work
in
the
district,
maybe
that
we
don't
have
just
these
vertical
swatches
of
vision
angles
through
that
there's
some
sort
of
more
organic
stepping
sliding
something.
Is
there
a
way?
Maybe
mike
gets
a
question
for
you?
Is
there
a
way
to
just
make
sure
that
it's
done
right.
N
Yeah
greg
this
is
mike
ludwig,
deputy
director
of
development
services
and
I'll.
Let
the
developer
also
share
their
thoughts
on
it.
But
again
the
the
blue
massing
was
the
absolute
maximum
heights
for
a
for
a
zoning
purpose
right,
but
clearly
in
all
of
our
discussions
that
we've
had
and
they
can
speak
to
the
discussions
they've
had
with
our
economic
development
staff.
I
know
ryan
moffatt
is
here
as
well.
N
I
don't
believe,
there's
any
intent
to
build
out
everything
out
to
the
maximum
height
for
the
entire
width
of
the
block,
the
entire
area
of
the
block.
We
have
the
model
that
they
provided.
That
is
a
part
of
this
large
scale
development
plan,
and
so,
as
individual
projects
come
in,
we
will
compare
those
projects
to
that
model
and
be
very
conscious
of
the
fact
that
you
know
we're
not
wanting
it
to
be
a
very
you
know,
like
you
said,
a
skill
saw
you
know,
frame
around
the
capital
there.
N
We
were
looking
for
more
of
a
transition,
but
that
was
the
best
that
we
could
do
to
sure
sure
communicate
the
maximum
heights
that
could
be
allowed
there.
Without
those
heights
I
mean
dx1,
zoning
would
allow
200
feet
or
more
225
feet
or
more
buildings,
and
so
we
had
to
come
up
with
a
way
of
trying
to
match
it
to
the
model,
but
short
of
identifying
every
point
on
every
building
in
a
conceptual
model
that
they
showed.
N
What
we
showed
in
the
blue
was
the
best
we
could
do
to
come
up
with
kind
of
identifying
maximum
heights,
so
we
will
certainly
compare
projects
to
the
the
model
that
was
submitted,
that
yellow
those
yellow
building
forms,
and
they
won't
have
to
be
exact
matches
to
that
by
any
means.
But
certainly
one
of
the
visions
that
is
is
conveyed
by
that
model
is
that
it
is
a
tiered
or
you
know,
a
organic
organic
yeah
frame.
N
O
O
O
So
I
think
we're
we're
trying
to
come
to
a
good
compromise.
It's
that's
good
for
the
state
of
iowa.
That's
that's
good
for
the
view
from
principal
park
and
is
good
for
this
area
in
terms
of
its
future
development.
So
do
I
know,
what's
going
to
happen?
Absolutely
not,
but
I
think,
if
you
look
over
to
the
central
business
district,
you
see
all
different
heights,
even
though
they
could
be
as
tall
as
they
want
to
be.
P
Yeah,
I
eric
I,
I
think
paul
said
everything
very
very
well.
I
I
think
you
know
we've
done
a
lot
of
this
type
of
work
over
the
years
in
different
cities
and-
and
I
think
you
know
market's
gonna-
have
some
obviously
say
in
sort
of
the
heights
and
the
types
of
uses.
Architects
will
certainly,
you
know,
want
their
blocks
to
you
know,
differentiate.
P
Obviously,
this
model
is
just
a
simple
massing
it
by
no
means
really
showcases
all
the
sort
of
fenestration,
the
qualities
of
architecture
that
will
make
those
masses
that
are,
you,
know
very
conceptual,
now,
really
more
organic
right
and
play
of
shadows
and
lights
and
windows
and
different
roof
planes,
and-
and
I
suspect
that
you
know,
even
as
we
go
higher
in
these
buildings-
you
know
that
people
really
love
the
opportunity
to
be
outdoors.
So
you
we're
finding
a
lot
more.
K
K
L
D
I
A
A
S
Yes,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission
item
number
six
is
a
request
to
rezone
these
two
parcels
from
the
rx1
district
to
the
mx-3
district.
The
subject
property
is
located
along
the
south
side
of
army
post
road.
A
couple
blocks
to
the
west
of
southwest
9th
street
there's
a
small
portion
of
the
property
that
has
to
have
the
land
use
plan
amended.
That's
this
map!
That's
on
your
screen
right
now.
S
We
would
be
amending
this
small
area
from
low
density
residential
to
the
community.
Excuse
me
and
then
this
map
here
shows
the
overall
property
that
would
be
rezoned.
As
I
mentioned,
they're
wanting
to
rezone
it
from
rx1
district
to
mx3
district.
This
stretch
of
the
army
post
road
corridor
was
designated
as
the
rx1
district.
S
That
was
the
new
zoning
map
and
zone
ordnance.
Last
year
it
was
designated
as
rx1,
which
is
the
least
intense
of
our
commercial
districts,
because
most
of
the
properties
along
this
stretch
are
fairly
small
in
size
and
there's
quite
a
few
in
residential
uses,
scattered
in
between,
as
you
can
see,
on
the
map
here,
where
my
mouse
is
moving
around
from
single
family
houses
along
the
army
post
road
corridor.
So
that
was
why
these
properties
were
designated
as
rx1
as
I'll
get
to
shortly.
S
We
feel
that,
given
the
size
of
this
property,
that
an
mx3
district
would
be
appropriate,
but
we're
recommending
that
the
uses
be
limited,
just
here's
a
sketch
that
shows
what
they
would
be
rezoning
to
the
mx-3
district,
a
little
backstroke
back
information.
They
recently
did
a
plata
survey
to
divide
off
a
small
part
portion
of
the
south
side
of
the
lot
so
that
they
can
put
a
house
along
west
street.
S
This
property's
also
been
to
the
board
of
adjustment
in
the
last
two
years.
They
got
approvals
to
do
event
center
there,
but
that
never
panned
out.
They
also
went
through
the
process
of
having
a
site
plan
approved
for
that
event.
Center
use,
but
again
they
didn't
move
forward
with
that
use.
So
now
I'm
going
to
show
you
some
site
photos,
there's
currently
a
modular
home
setting
on
the
west
portion
of
the
lot
they're
going
to
be
moving
this
to
that
newly
created
lot
along
west
street,
and
here
are
some
more
photos.
S
You
can
see
they're
currently
using
the
property
for
a
lawn
care
business
which
currently
is
a
zoning
violation,
but
if
they
get
rezoned
to
mx3
district,
they
would
be
able
to
have
the
lawn
care
business,
but
they
would
have
to
keep
any
trailers
any
equipment.
Materials
stored
inside
here
are
some
more
photos
along
the
east
end
edge
of
the
property.
S
We've
recommended
this
list
of
uses
here
be
prohibited,
I'll,
just
go
through
quickly:
animal
boarding,
a
bar
bail
bonds,
delayed
deposit
service,
pawn
broker
signed
for
general
advertising,
yeah
vehicle
sales
and
service
category,
including
fuel
sales
vehicles,
sales,
vehicle
rental
and
vehicle
maintenance
repair
and
then
any
use
that
involves
the
sale
or
service
of
the
alcohol
and
just
to
limit
our
discussion
tonight
really
condition.
1G
is
the
only
part
of
our
staff
recommendation
that
the
applicant
does
not
agree
to.
S
T
T
Okay,
so
this
property
currently
has
three
open:
either
site
plan
permit
or
building
permits.
As
I
am
improving
the
property,
the
house
is
going
on
the
back
lot,
but
it's
put
off
this
spring
that
permit
took
much
longer
than
I
anticipated
because
they
are
dimming
it
a
new
build
instead
of
you
know,
moving
a
modular
home
in
so
that
property
will
be
completely
recited
re-roofed
they
poured
the
basement.
Yesterday.
They
took
the
forms
off
today
as
quickly
as
I
can
get
it
moved.
T
I
bought
the
building.
Four
years
ago,
I
first
tried
started
trying
to
find
tenants
that
matched
the
nature
of
the
building
and
the
size
of
the
building,
because
it
was
designated
warehouse
that
several
of
the
ideas
didn't
make
it
got
shot
down.
Then
I
tried
to
start
finding
tenants
that
matched
the
c2
zoning,
then
that
got
changed
in
december,
so
it
seems
like
I'm
trying
to
hit
a
moving
target.
T
T
R
T
T
T
T
T
I
am
fine
with
everything
on
this
list
excluding
and
I
have
no
plans
to
put
an
auto
repair
in
here
or
or
vehicle
or
an
auto
dealership.
Basically,
I
do
have
a
tenant
that
details
cars
and
would
like
the
opportunity
to
sell
a
car
now
and
then
and
if
without
an
auto
dealership
license
you
have
to
register
with
the
state.
You
have
to
pay
the
taxes.
The
auto
dealerships
get
around
all
that
because
they
have
an
auto
dealership
license.
T
T
So
it
is
not
my
intention
to
put
in
auto
repair
or
auto
dealership,
but
I
don't
understand
why
I
have
to
remove
those
from
the
use
of
a
property
this
size
for
future
down
the
road
when
it
is
mx3,
so
my
only
contention
with
1g
and
I'm
fine
with
the
rest.
By
the
way,
my
only
contention
with
1g
is
I'd
like
to
leave
in
vehicle
sales
and
auto
repair
the
this
building.
Half
of
it
has
14
foot
sidewalls
perfect
for
lifts
to
lift
cars
that
type
of
stuff.
U
E
T
S
This
is
bird
ross
planter
for
the
city
of
des
moines.
The
reason
that
we
left
that
in
there
was
we
feel
that
there's
you
know,
there's
quite
a
few.
Other
vehicle
display
lots
in
this
area
and
it
when
there
gets
to
be
that
critical
mass.
It
starts
to
impact
the
overall
character
of
the
corridor,
and
now
we've
also
seen
other
vehicle
lots
when
they're
on
a
lot
or
other
vehicle
sales
uses.
S
V
L
B
A
135-9.3.1.B
for
property
located
at
1804
27th
street
to
allow
construction
of
an
a
480
square
foot
one-story
garage
addition
to
the
north
of
the
existing
two-story
house,
with
a
15.9
foot
front
yard,
shut
back
from
whitmer
street.
That
would
be
21.6
feet
less
than
the
minimum
37.5
foot
average
requirement
for
section
135-2.16.3.8.
A
H
H
H
Garage
site
plan
provided
by
the
applicant
showing
the
footprint
of
the
proposed
garage
as
the
chair
read
in
the
agenda
heading
where
we
are
discussing
relief
or
a
type
two
design
alternative
for
the
extending
into
that
required
setback.
So
that'll
be
the
focus
of
what
we
look
at
here.
You
can
see
the
building
they're,
proposing
a
15.9
foot
setback.
H
H
Mostly
showing
brick
the
only
thing
I'll
hit
in
the
staff
recommendation,
we
are
recommending
that
west
elevation-
you
can
see
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen
beside
with
brick
as
well.
I've
had
we've
had
contact
with
the
applicant
and
they're
agreeable
with
that,
and
my
understanding
is
that
actually
was
their
initial
attention
and
there
was
a
change
in
the
drawings
in
your
packet.
You
got
a
copy
of
the
staff
report
in
there.
We
always
include
all
the
criteria
for
reviewing
type
2
design
alternatives.
H
H
We
do
believe
that
there
is
merit
to
what
they're
proposing
they
are
in
a
corner
lot,
there's
not
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
provide
a
garage
elsewhere
on
the
site.
There's
also
some
great
challenges
that
you
saw
in
those
photographs,
so
we
are
recommending
approval
have
list
of
conditions
here.
I
won't
read
through
them,
since
the
applicants
agreed
to
them
response
map,
we
did
have
one
person
come
back
contact
staff
and
opposition.
H
This
is
the
email
that
they
provided
in
general
here.
In
summary,
I
think
their
their
comments
are
more
focused
on
neighborhood
character
and
historic
preservation
and
the
potential
impact
that
they
feel
that
the
addition
would
have
on
the
character
of
that
that
house
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
The
commission
might
have.
Q
Q
I
guess
that
would
be
to
the
north.
If
I
have
my
bearings
right,
which
really
would
you
can
help
me
with
the
math,
but
would
that
be
like
20
feet
out
in
front
of
the
adjacent
neighbors
houses?
I
mean
they
all
seem
fairly
lined
up
along
whitmer
there
back
a
very
similar
setback,
and
this
would,
for
all
intents
and
purposes,
kind
of
hide
that
street
or
hide
that
front
yard
area.
H
Q
H
Q
M
H
H
H
E
H
H
W
L
H
X
You
there
you
go
okay,
todd
weskes
with
simonson
and
associates
architects.
Just
here
on
behalf
of
mr
hickman
and
here
to
answer
any
questions
you
guys
may
have.
I
think
greg
brought
up
the
you
know
his
architectural
question
regarding
the
impact.
I
think
yeah
we've
addressed,
that
with
staff,
as
well
as
the
kind
of
context
with
matching
the
existing
house
and
the
masonry.
So.
M
M
M
Q
A
L
L
B
C
L
A
Four
135-9.2.4.
b
and
135-9.3.1.b
for
property
located
at
3824,
lower
beaver
road
to
allow
construction
of
a
380
foot
square
foot
detached
garage
for
a
house
type
b
in
an
m3a
neighborhood
district
to
allow
waiver
of
the
acc
access
to
pavement,
drive
payment,
pavement
requirements
per
section,
135-6.6.2
and
section
135-6-8-6.
I
think
tonight
is
garage
night.
Okay,
we
have
catherine.
C
And
then
you
can
see
that
they
do,
of
course
have
the
driveway.
It
is
an
unpaved,
gravel
driveway
at
this
time,
the
applicant
as
staff
understands
the
back
story
recently
purchased
the
property
and
with
the
intent
to
do
some
upgrading
by
adding
a
garage,
they
obtained
a
home
improvement
loan
from
neighborhood
finance
corporation
to
build
the
garage
and,
of
course,
staff
is
always
ready
to
encourage
these
types
of
improvements
to
the
property.
C
However,
with
the
update
to
the
zoning
planning
and
design
ordinance,
there
is
a
new
requirement
intended
to
ensure
quality
upgrades
to
neighborhoods
and
continuing
to
uphold
neighborhood
character.
That
now
requires
pavement
all
the
way
to
any
garage
put
into
place.
The
applicant
has
expressed
concerns
about
the
cost
of
adding
the
pavement.
In
addition
to
the
cost
of
adding
the
garage,
you
can
see
I'll
zoom
in
a
little
bit,
so
you
can
see
the
site
plan
just
a
bit
better.
C
R
A
Y
Y
A
I
A
Z
Hi,
my
name
is
nick
doerr
and
I'm
at
3101
56th
street.
Here
in
des
moines
iowa,
okay,
adam's
actually
online.
He
can
hear
everyone
but
he's
having
some
difficulties
being
able
to
talk.
So
basically,
what
is
happening
is
adam
came
to
us
in
november,
is
kind
of
when
we
got
this
whole
loan
going
due
to
the
winter
weather
and
everything
they
weren't
able
to
get
started
on
the
garage
until
this
spring.
It
was
actually
closer
to
the
summer,
because
the
contractors
and
everybody
were
kind
of
scared
with
the
covid
going
on.
Z
We
didn't
know
what
zoning
was
going
to
happen
and
we're
at
this
point
we're
totally
in
agreement,
and
we
don't
want
to
do
anything
to
go
against
zoning.
It's
we'll
see
to
follow
des
moines
regulations
and
rules
all
the
way.
But
it's
just
upon
us
to
this
point
that
now
we
don't
really
have
any
wiggle
room
to
add
the
concrete
into
the
loan
and
adam
doesn't
have
the
funds
available
personally
to
do
much
more.
Z
He
does
plan
on
doing
the
garage
or
the
driveway
eventually,
but
he
just
he
doesn't
have
that
affordability
right
now,
but
we
are.
We
are
hoping
that
we
can
change
the
minds
and
at
least
get
a
garage
put
up
so
that
he
has
somewhere
to
put
his
vehicle
at
least
get
his
vehicle
out
of
the
driveway
there,
and
I
hope
that
we
can
change
the
mines.
Y
Y
To
make
clear
that
like
now,
this
would
not
happen,
but
this
was
back
last
fall,
and
so,
when
we
build
the
loan,
it
has
the
renovations
that
are
planned
on
and
like
nick
referred
to.
We
don't
have
any
wiggle
room
and
specific
issue
with
this
loan.
Is
that
in
others
is
that
we've
sold
it
to
an
investor
and
basically
we're
gonna
we're?
Not
only
will
he
not
get
his
garage,
but
it
will
impact
our
ability
to
raise
capital.
Y
We
have
too
many
loans
where
we
can't
get
the
agreed
upon
work
done,
and
so
that's
sort
of
where
our
dilemma
is,
and
I
just
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
about
our
program
also.
I
would
say
that
in
the
future
you
know
once
he's
lived
there
for
a
while
and
would
want
to
take
out
another
loan.
We
do
have
our
front
porch
loan
that
we
can
do
behind
our
purchase
loan.
That's
for
exterior
repairs
with
a
lower
interest
rate,
so
that
would
be
an
option
available
as
well.
Q
Hello
stephanie:
this
is
greg
watier,
you
actually
just
mentioned
at
the
end
there.
What
I
was
going
to
ask
you,
I
knew
you
guys
had
programs
that
sometimes
are
forgivable,
sometimes
they're,
just
low
rates.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
you
guys
usually
have
boundaries
in
neighborhoods
and
areas
that
they
apply.
Y
Yeah-
and
so
you
know
generally,
as
you
can
know,
when
somebody
has
just
bought
a
house-
they
really
don't
want
it.
We
hope
they
don't
want
to
go
out
and
get
a
lot
of
other
loans.
So
we
haven't
encouraged
that
up
to
the
point,
and
also
often
people
don't
have
that
equity,
but
we
do
have
our
front
porch
loan,
which
is
money.
Y
That's
we've
raised
independently,
and
so
we
don't
have
to
have
the
loan
subsidy
with
it
so
that
potentially,
as
well
as
just
a
typical
home
improvement,
loan
or
home
equity
line
of
credit
could
be
an
option
in
the
future.
I
just
don't.
I
understand-
probably
it's
not
right
now
because
of
the
equity
issue.
A
A
AA
R
A
Q
I
think
part
of
the
issue
with
the
graph
of
the
gravel
drive
is
sort
of
the
unkept
nature
of
the
gravel
drive.
In
other
words,
the
grass
is
growing
through
it
and
it's
at
least
it
was.
I
don't
know
what
it
is
today.
So
I
guess
the
question
I
would
have
is:
is
there
a
minor
compromise
where
there
could
be
some
edging
to
kind
of
contain
and
it
could
be
stone?
It
could
be
something
simple
and
just
just
done
neater
greg
jones.
Q
A
A
AA
B
L
S
Yes,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
bert
ross
planner
for
the
city
of
des
moines.
The
applicant
has
requested
that
the
single
family
house
at
1100
east
marion
street,
be
rezoned
to
an
nx1
district
to
in
order
to
legitimize
the
existing
correctional
placement
residents
that
you
said
is
occurring
there
today.
S
S
I
would
also
mention
that
if
the
rezoning
would
be
approved,
they
would
still
need
to
get
the
conditional
use
from
the
city's
board
of
adjustment
and
here's
the
letter
that
the
applicant
submitted
with
their
application
just
describing
what
they
are
using.
The
house
for
in
summary,
they're
using
it
for
up
to
four
women
at
any
time
who
are
on
parole.
S
S
S
So
here's
the
consent
map
the
only
card
came
back
from
that
property
immediately
to
the
east,
which
did
register
and
support
staff,
took
a
look
at
this
and
we
did
do
not
believe
that
this
is
the
proper
location
for
a
correctional
placement
residence.
As
you
can
see
on
the
map,
it's
located
in
the
heart
of
a
residential
neighborhood
and
away
from
any
transit
routes.
We
feel
that
this
type
of
use
is
better
suited
along
a
major
corridor
or
at
least
near
a
dark
bus
stop.
S
We
recommend
that
the
proposed
rezoning
could
be
found
in
conformance
with
plan
dsm,
but
I
guess
just
because
if
the
rezoning
could
be
found
in
conformance
with
the
land
use
plan,
that
doesn't
mean
the
commission
needs
to
be
inclined
to
support
it
either.
So,
as
you'll
see
in
part
b,
we
have
recommended
denial
of
the
request
to
rezone
the
property.
A
A
I
am
a
registered
addiction
nurse
and
worked
15
years
at
one
of
the
treatment,
centers
residential
treatment
centers
here
in
des
moines,
and
then
I
realized
when
people
leave
the
residential
treatment
center.
If
they
don't
have
a
different
place
to
go
and
a
safe
place
to
go,
it
doesn't
change
anything.
A
A
A
Non-Profit,
I
have
been
hired
by
them
to
run
their
houses
and
I
have
said
I'm
running
six
houses.
Currently
in
the
des
moines
area,
I
actually
inherited
running
the
freedom
house
on
marion
the
man
that
started
the
house
actually
got
pancreatic
cancer
and
needed
someone
to
run
the
houses
and
I
took
over
for
him.
I
have
I
had
no
idea,
there
was
a
zoning.
If
you
I
mean,
I
didn't
even
know
that
this
was
an
issue.
A
A
We
are
just
a
house
of
four
women
that
are
sober.
All
the
women
that
are
currently
there
right
now,
which
there
will
be
one
joining
us
on
the
line
to
let
you
know
her
her
relationship
with
the
freedom
house.
I
I
will
let
you
know
that
they
are
all
on
parole
at
this
time,
but
they
don't
have
to
be.
If
a
woman
called
and
said
I
want
to
get
out
of
this
relationship,
I'm
in
I
want
to
get
out
of
this.
A
A
A
I
have
21
years
of
sobriety
and
that's
why
what
I
do
is
important
to
me,
and
I
will
say
that
I
did
receive
one
call
from
my
neighborhood
letters
that
I
put
out
in
great
support
of
us
from
the
neighbor
right
next
door
that
has
lived
with
us
since
we
have
been
or
since
even
carol
had
the
house.
So
that
would
be
like
21
years
of
no
complaint
and
I
would
like
to
ask
stephanie
becker
at
this
time.
Stephanie
are
you
on
the
line?
M
A
That's
not
the
case,
but
we
only
open
houses
that
are
within
walking
distance
to
the
bus,
stop
and
walking
distance,
where
no
one
will
get
cold
and
free
the
walk.
The
bus
stop
is
just
up
at
the
corner
and
around
the
corner.
To
I
believe
it's
right.
It's
right
on
the
corner.
When
you
turn,
I
think
it's
east,
12
or
east.
A
S
A
Yes,
stephanie
hello,
hi,
my
name
is
stephanie
becker
and
my
current
address
is
1100
east
marion
street
okay
des
moines
iowa
go
ahead,
okay!
Well,
I
first
would
just
like
to
say
that
it's
actually
the
bus
stop
is
on
southeast
12th
and
watrus,
which
is
just
not
even
a
block
away,
and
I
ride
the
bus,
no
problem
and
second,
I'm
really
bad
at
public
speaking.
So
I'm
sorry,
I
sound
nervous.
No,
that's!
Okay!
Go
ahead.
A
This
is
my
home,
and
without
this
I
don't
know
where
I
would
be.
I
started
a
job.
I
go
to
work
60
hours
a
week.
I
come
here
and
it's
home.
The
other
women
that
are
here
have
been
here
for
a
while
and
they're
good
women,
and
I
don't
like
I
said
I
don't
know
what
I
would
do
without
it.
This
is
the
second
time
in
my
life
that
I
have
resided
here
and
it
last
time
it
got
me
back
up
on
my
feet.
A
A
A
There
is
no
limitation,
it's,
however
long,
I'm
sorry,
it
takes
you
to
get
on
your
feet.
Last
time
I
was
here
for
18
months.
My
son
was
able
to
come
and
visit
on
the
weekends,
and
I
ended
up
getting
my
own
place
and
becoming
the
gm
at
wendy's
on
east
euclid
and,
like
it
was
the
best
five
years
of
my
life.
Actually,
you
know
thank
you.
A
Q
This
greg,
I
I
have
a
question
for
staff
sure
I
know
I
noticed
in
your
general
information
section
you
talked
about
if
rezoning
was
denied,
that
they'd
have
an
option
within
a
year
to
go
after
a
use,
variance,
I'm
just
kind
of
curious.
I
that's
actually
what
I
was
thinking
about
too
was
a
use
variance
and
if,
if,
if
we
were
to
improve
as
a
board,
the
rezoning
are
there
other
uses
that
that
new
zoning
would
bring
up.
That
would
make
you
concerned
well.
S
They're
leaving
nx2
district,
which
is
one
of
our
more
intense
multi-family
residential
districts,
because
the
nx2
district
is
the
first
district
where
this
type
of
use
is
allowed.
So
I
guess
if
the
commission
was
inclined
to
grant
it,
you'd
probably
want
to
make
it
conditional
upon
any
use,
be
limited
to
a
one
household
dwelling
or
a
correctional
placement
residence
for
up
to
four
non-related
individuals.
S
But
I'd
also
point
out
that
you're
going
to
have
to
go
to
the
board
of
adjustment
regardless.
If
you
approve
it
tonight,
they
still
have
to
go
to
the
board
of
adjustment
to
get
a
conditional
use,
and
if
you
deny
it,
they
still
have
to
go
to
the
board
of
adjustment
to
seek
a
use
variance.
So
in
all
honesty,
it
would
be
easier
for
them
to
get
the
conditional
use
from
the
board
of
adjustment
than
obtaining
a
use,
variance.
V
S
S
A
I
B
L
B
D
L
L
A
H
H
This
is
the
future
land
use
plan
for
the
kind
of
zoomed
in
for
the
area
you
can
see.
Excuse
me
exceed
the
blue
colors,
the
industrial
designation
for
the
proposed
rezoning
to
be
approved.
The
commission
would
also
have
to
make
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council
to
amend
this
map
for
specific
for
the
property
in
question
tonight.
H
You
know
this
is
a
non-conforming
use
and
so
it
the
because
the
garage
was
destroyed
or
damaged
severely
by
the
enacted
god.
The
zoning
orders
would
allow
that
to
be
reconstructed
in
the
same
location
with
the
same
footprint,
but
the
applicant
would
like
to
do
a
larger
garage.
You
can
see
this
sketch
showing
a
24x30.
H
Footprint
and
to
do
that,
that's
considered
an
expansion
of
illegal
non-conforming
use
which
isn't
allowed,
and
so
their
first
opportunity
to
get
remedy
of
the
situation
is
to
re-zone
the
property.
If
the
property
is
not
rezoned,
then
their
next
step
for
remedy
would
be
to
go.
The
zoning
board
of
adjustment
for
use
variants,
which
cannot
be
sought
until
rezoning,
is
denied
copy
the
staff
report.
H
H
We
look
at
that
and
we
are
recommending
denial
of
the
request.
As
I
noted,
the
applicant
does
have
the
opportunity
to
go
to
the
zoning
board
adjustment.
If
the
city
council
does
deny
the
rezoning
but
to
get
a
use,
variance
to
allow
the
larger
garage
to
be
constructed,
the
other
alternative
that
could
be
a
permit
could
be
issued
tomorrow
for
a
garage
or
the
same
footprint
of
what
was
tore
down.
H
H
H
A
permit
for
any
property
zone
i1
that
has
a
residential
use
on
it.
A
permit
cannot
be
issued
for
a
new
garage
unless
it's
specific
to
a
situation
such
as
this,
where
you
know
there
could
be
you
know,
there's
storm
damage,
there's
provisions
in
the
zoning
ordinance
that
allow
you
to
build
back
matching
the
footprint
of
what
was
there
prior.
M
M
H
M
N
N
Regarding
the
the
comp
plan
adoption
and
the
recommendation
that
the
commission
made
to
the
council,
the
original
direction
that
we
had
on
the
comp
plan
was
to
try
and
eliminate
conflicts
between
residential
and
what
we
knew
were
going
to
be
sustained
in
growing
industrial
areas.
Obviously,
there
had
been
a
lot
of
discussion
prior
to
playing
dsm
about
the
amount
of
rail
traffic
that
was
increasing
on
the
rail
to
the
west
of
this
house.
I'm
sorry
yeah
to
the
west
of
this
house.
N
We
obviously
had
just
done
some
street
closures
to
accommodate
that
growing
rail
traffic
that
ultimately
goes
up
to
adm
and
obviously,
when
235
was
rebuilt,
it
was
elevated
to
go
over
the
railroad
tracks
so
that
it
was.
You
know
we
weren't
having
blockages
on
certain
streets,
and
we
had
quite
a
bit
of
debate
about
that.
So
anyway,
the
direction
was
to
try
and
eliminate
where
we
had
those
conflicts.
N
N
You
know
one
one
width
stuck
in
kind
of
a
precarious
situation,
with
growing
industrial
to
the
west
of
them
and
bounded
by
235
on
the
east,
so
we'd
recommended
industrial.
If
you
look
at
the
very
north
of
that
industrial
area,
you'll
see
a
square
kind
of
yellow
residential
area
that
was
near
boyd
and
morton
avenue.
The
south
boundary
was
sheridan
and
it
went
all
the
way
up
to
hall
avenue
on
the
north.
N
That
area.
When
we
sent
out
notices
about
the
comp
plan
we
heard
from
the
fairmont
park
neighborhood
association
concerns.
They
did
suggest
that
everything
from
whole
south
to
easton
be
changed
back
to
residential.
We
went
to
a
neighborhood
meeting
and
discussed
that
they
came
to
the
planning
zoning
commission
hearing
on
the
comp
plan.
They
suggested
that
the
entire
area
be
residential.
N
N
So
there
was
a
grouping
most
of
the
neighbors
that
that
came
to
the
hearing
were
were
in
that
that
yellow
area
that
got
changed
and
that,
but
that
was
the
only
area
that
was
changed.
The
rest
was
left
as
industrial.
On
the
basis
that
we
were
trying
to
eliminate
that
conflict,
we
have
had
discussions
about
granting
additional,
I
guess
latitude
or
flexibility
for
residential
uses
that
are
non-conforming
in
an
industrial
district.
N
H
AC
E
AC
AC
AB
Okay,
hey!
This
is
all
new
to
me
all
right.
So,
first
of
all
I
want
to
thank
you
tonight
for
hearing
this,
and
I
hope
you
can
help
this
young
lady
out.
When
mr
ludwig
was
talking-
and
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
were
on
the
board
at
the
time
when
fairmont
park
came
in
there,
there
was
three
areas
that
that
you
guys
voted
to
say
that
stay
the
same.
AB
AB
You
voted
to
keep
it
all
the
same,
and
this
has
been
about
three
four
years
ago
somewhere
in
that
neighborhood
time
flies
so
fast
that
I
have
a
hard
time
understanding
how
fast
it
goes.
But
the
thing
that
I
I
really
want
to
want
to
say
is
you
know
they
kept
telling
us.
You
know:
hey
everybody
had
letters.
Everybody
got
a
letter
on
this
well
on
december.
Guess
what
I
didn't
get
it!
I
get
a
letter
every
week
from
you
guys.
You
know
saying,
given
everything.
AB
AB
AB
As
you
can
see,
I
I
can't
assume
I
don't
know
what
I
did
wrong,
but
they
gave
me
a
link
and
I
still
can't
get
on
it,
but
to
see
what
what
was
there.
But
if
you
look
at
this,
you
can
see
it's
clearly
a
neighborhood.
It
isn't.
It
is
an
industrial
and
by
the
way
you
know
when
you're
talking
industrial,
when
you
look
at
when
you
look
up
there
in
a
hall
avenue,
you
know,
we've
lost
quite
a
few.
AB
Quite
a
few
places
up
there,
bauer
built
they
went
and
they've
moved
out
to
the
county.
The
property
taxes
are
outrageous.
That's
why
these
people
are
moving,
we
don't
need
more
industrial
and,
if,
if
they
want
to,
if
they
want
to
increase
and
increase
their
house
values
and
pay
more
property,
that's
what
we're
here
for
I
I
gotta
say:
please
help
this
young
lady
out
in
the
neighborhood
and
vote
to
deny
the
denial
here
and
and
give
her
give
us
a
zoning.
AB
It's
it's
it's
a
no-brainer
in
my
in
life
anyway,
and
I
I
kind
of
believe
just
what
I've
listened
to
just
a
few
people.
I
think
I
think
you
guys
are
all
in
that
in
that
same
category.
I
I
believe
that
you,
you
want
to
help
people
out.
You
know
we're
we're
demonians
this
morning
tells
people
out
help
each
other
out,
and
I
think
we
need
a
little
help
over
here.
So
please
help
us
out.
Would
you.
AA
Jan
this
is
greg
jones
yeah
greg
go
ahead.
You
know,
I
was
involved
in
the
comprehensive
plan
update
years
ago,
and
I
do
remember
this
and
I
remember
this
area
specifically,
and
it
was
a
conundrum
because
it
is
a
tight-knit
little
residential
area.
However,
it
does
abut
the
industrial
and
it
abuts
the
interstate,
and
so
it's
a
it's.
It's
a
tough
thing
and
I'm
sympathetic
with
the
property
owner
and
as
long
as
there's
a
a
way.
A
R
Jan
this
is
rocky,
and
this
is
right.
I
just
like
to
share
that.
I
I
support
the
rezoning.
I
think
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
set
the
precedent
here
and
give
staff
some
direction
that
you
know
they
need
to
look
at.
Take
another
look
at
this
and
you
know,
give
other
homeowners
an
opportunity
to
be
able
to
rezone
and
be
able
to
invest
in
their
house
and
put
up
garages.
So
I'm
definitely
not
in
support
of
the
motion.
M
Okay,
thank
you,
jan
this
is
will
page
here
and
and
with
with
great
respect
to
to
to
greg.
I
I
really
do
feel
that
we
we
need
this
property
owner
is
in
a
very
peculiar
situation,
and
I
feel
that
we
really
do
need
to
give
them
relief
in
in
this
matter
and
to
ask
them
to
go
to
zoning
board
of
adjustment.
When
we
don't
really
know
what
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment
actually
is
going
to
do,
I
think,
is
a
disservice
to
these
people
that
want
to
improve
their
project
and
their
property.
M
A
AA
Vote
on
it
and
see
how
it
turns
out:
okay,
okay,
all
right,
I
think
we,
we
have
a
a
document
that
we
worked
on
for
a
long
time
and
we
didn't
do
it
willy
nilly
it.
This
is
one
of
the
things
that
comes
out
at
the
end,
but
they
do
have
something
they
can
do.
They
can
go
to
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment
and
so
to
spot
zone
a
tiny
little
bit
of
this,
even
though
I
agree
rocky,
we
need
to
start
somewhere
where
we
need
to
start.
AA
C
C
A
L
M
L
J
Q
D
U
N
D
N
L
B
E
E
So
it
sits
between
two
other
existing
homes.
This
is
a
site
plan
of
their
proposed
house,
construction
they're,
showing
the
concrete
driveway,
so
they
are
planning
to
pave
the
driveway
regardless
of
garage.
In
this
case,
one
thing
you
should
note
is
that
they
do
have
the
ability
then,
to
extend
that
back,
so
that
a
garage
of
minimum
size
could
be
built
in
the
rear
yard.
E
E
E
Seen
more
recently,
I
think
it's
a
little
stronger
in
the
26
out
of
34
parcels
located
within
250
feet
provided
the
garage,
I
think
some
of
the
ones
in
the
past
that
you've
looked
at
have
been
right
on
that
borderline
staff
is
based
on
that
that
analysis
and
and
the
predominance
of
garage,
I'm
staff
is
recommending
denial
of
the
type
2
design
alternative.
This
is
a.
E
V
E
E
A
AD
AD
To
make
my
point,
the
average
of
the
assessed
values
in
a
250
foot
radius
is
83
000
dollars
the
house.
We're
proposing
to
build
is
190
000
roughly
so,
as
you
can
see,
there's
quite
a
big
difference
in
that
in
those
two
numbers
and
to
keep
our
our
house
fitting
in
with
values
and
getting
people
to
look
at
it
and
potentially
buy
the
house.
We
want
to
keep
that
number
as
low
as
possible.
AD
In
speaking
with
our
number
one
real
estate
agent.
We
have
a
similar
situation
at
1156
west
street
on
the
south
side
of
des
moines,
where
we
were
required
to
build
a
garage
a
little
bit
nicer
area
higher
values.
So
we
thought
we
could.
We
could
make
it
work
and
still
sell
the
house
promptly,
because
there's
a
high
demand
for
this
house
plan
and
we
do
hit
a
price
point-
that
a
lot
of
other
builders
in
the
city
don't
hit,
and
we
have
found
out
that
that
house
is
not
sold.
Q
Mr
madness
greg
what
ta
two
questions.
One
are
you
building
a
basement
and
two?
Would
you
consider
building
a
shed?
I
think
we
have
requirements
or
not
requirements,
sorry,
but
guidelines
on
building
a
shed
with
the
antenna.
It's
not
about
putting
a
car,
but
it's
all
the
sort
of
yard
items
that
someone
might
have.
AD
AD
Q
Just
a
lot
of
these
older
neighborhoods,
that's
a
struggle
and
they
just
didn't,
have
them
and
always
pros
and
cons.
I
think,
ultimately,
the
point
is
to
continue
to
build
homes
in
des
moines
and
raise
property
values.
I
think
that's
a
huge
piece,
so
I
don't
know
that
I
personally
put
a
ton
of
stock
in
having
to
have
a
garage.
Q
M
V
V
You
know
the
thing
that
comes
to
mind
is
first
of
all,
affordability
and
the
opportunity
for
home
ownership
opportunities
for
new
homeowners,
but
just
thinking
about
some
of
the
projects
that,
for
example,
like
habitat
for
humanity,
brings
in
front
of
us
and
we
go
through
this
through
a
similar
process,
and
we
do
request
that
shed
to
be
provided.
You
know,
in
addition
to
the
to
the
basements
that
they
do
so.
V
A
B
Donnie
elsevier,
yes,
emily
webb,
yes,
dory
browse!
Yes,
jan
freed
yeah,
caleb,
bergson,
yeah,
lisa
howard,
yes,
steve
wallace,
yes,
carolyn
jennison;
yes,
francis
boggess,
yeah,
greg
watier;
yes,
greg
jones;
yes,
the
abbey
schungist,
yes,
rocky's,
posado,
yes,
and
will
page
yes.
Motion
carries
14-0.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
yes.
Well.
I
just
wanted
to
say
sorry
again.
I
apologize
for
my
technical
difficulties.
I
just
could
not
get
in,
and
staff
was
very
helpful
with
that.
We
tried
many
things.
So
thank
you.
It
worked
with
my
phone.
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
dory
for
being
a
pinch
hitter,
as
you
know,
asap.
So
thank
you
dory.
A
I'm
sure
you
did
a
great
job.
I
couldn't
hear
anything
then
during
then,
but
I'm
sure
you
did
a
great
job.
So
thank
you
dory
and
I
wanted
to
congratulate
emily
webb,
emily
webb
got
elected
to
the
broad
lawns
board
and
emily
emily.
I
think
if
I
read
it
right
because
I
just
was
right
before
the
meeting,
I
think
you
unseated
an
incumbent,
correct
yeah,
that's
right,
yeah,
so
I
wanted
to
say
emily.
Congratulations,
that's
a
big
deal,
so
we're
proud
of
you
and
then
mike
did
you
want
to?
A
N
Yes,
jan
thanks
for
the
reminder,
will
I
apologize.
I
I
forgot
about
that.
We
did
have
a
meeting
with
the
with
the
committee
and
staff
is
going
back
and
looking
at
some
different
options,
the
legal
department
was
going
to
review
some
options
on
the
whether
we
could
require
some
sort
of
escrow
agreement
or
a
petition
waiver
agreement.
N
That
would
allow
a
deferral
for
a
period
of
time
on
sidewalks
in
certain
situations,
so
we
were
going
to
research,
those
a
little
bit
more
and
get
back
to
them
to
the
committee,
and
I
think
we
promised
within
about
maybe
a
month.
Six
weeks
is
what
we
said
so
we're
still
working
on
that
as
staff,
but
I
think
we
had
a
lot
of
good
discussion
and
will
maybe
you
can
share,
but
I
think
it
was
I
recognized
and
and
greg.
I
think
you
were
there
as
well.