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From YouTube: 1-16-20 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, Jan. 16, 2020 in Des Moines, Iowa.
A
Zoning
Commission
meeting
January
16th:
these
are
our
rules
and
procedures.
The
planet,
billing
Commission,
is
an
advisory
body
to
the
City
Council.
The
City
Council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
generally
make
a
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
Commission
other
than
site
plans
or
subdivision
flats
and
less
than
miles
or
conditional
approvals
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city
clerk
or
the
community
development
staff
for
details
on
council
hearings.
A
Applicants
tonight
will
then
be
given
ten
minutes
to
present
the
request
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order,
which
each
speaker
being
allowed
a
maximum
five
minutes.
The
applicant
has
been
allowed
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
Commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
A
The
items
listed
in
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
or
considered
for
approval
and
will
be
considered
for
approval
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report.
Unless
an
individual
present
or
a
member
of
the
Commission
requests
that
that
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda,
the
City
of
Des
Moines
is
pleased
to
provide
accommodations
to
individuals
or
groups
with
disabilities
and
encourages
participation
in
city
government.
A
Assisted
listening
devices
are
available
for
meetings
in
this
room
and
to
better
serve
you
when
possible,
notify
the
city
at
least
three
business
days
in
advance
at
two
eight
three,
four:
two:
zero
nine
special
accommodations
be
required
plan
and
Zoning
Commission
meetings
are
broadcast
a
Mediacom,
cable,
channel,
7.1
or
7.2
for
customers.
With
that,
sir,
that's
so
at
this
time
there
appears
to
be
a
quorum.
Thank
you
everyone,
and
is
there
a
motion
for
the
minutes
of
our
December
19th
meeting
so
move?
Thank
you
all.
A
A
At
it
and
we're
other
Minos
all
right
single
implement
at
this
time,
this
is
I'm
gonna
go
through
the
consent
items.
First,
we
have
several
changes
and
that's
so
read
through
them.
Consent
item
number
one
is
a
request
from
Jeff
and
Tanya
Nicholson
for
the
property
located
at
905
and
906
treat
and
9/16
and
917
East
27th
port.
A
The
request
is
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
what
do
you
need,
okay,
to
determine
whether
and
that
the
request
rezoning
is,
in
conformance
with
the
plan
Des
Moines,
creating
our
tomorrow
plan.
It's
whether
the
amendment
plan
Des
Moines,
creating
our
city's
tomorrow's
future
land,
designation
from
low
density
residential
to
community
mixed-use
for
property
at
905,
East,
27th
and
C
rezoning
the
property
from
in
three
C
to
MX
mixed
use
district
to
bring
existing
properties
for
use
for
a
small
engine
sales
and
service
business
into
conformance
for
zoning
regulations.
A
So
it
is
my
understanding
that
this
item
will
remain
on
consent.
Unless
is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
which
is
of
to
pull
this
item
from
consent
to
hear
it?
Seeing
that
is
there?
Anyone
on
the
commission
that
wishes
us
to
pull
this
item
to
hear,
otherwise
it
will
be
voted
on
with
the
staff
recommendation.
A
Okay,
Singh,
then,
on
item
number,
one
that
will
remain
on
consent.
Item
number
two
is
a
request
from
Scott
Lucas
and
the
property
located
at
24
811
feet
or
so
Avenue,
yes,
you're
right,
I'm,
very
conservative,
and
this
is
determined
whether
the
requested
rezoning
is
in
conformance
with
plan
des
moines
and
to
rezone
property
from
mixed
use.
District
to
mx3
must
use
district
to
allow
tenant
space
in
the
building
to
be
used
for
animal
service
and
boarding
a
pet
daycare
business.
B
A
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
that
item
will
be
removed
from
consent
tonight
and
appear
on
our
March
agenda
item
number
3,
which
is
request
from
q,
SL
development
for
review
and
approval
of
a
preliminary
plat
Woodberry
I'm
property
located
in
vicinity
of
3401
block
of
East
56th
Street
to
allow
the
property
to
be
divided
into
84
Lots
for
one
household
development,
Lots
for
multi,
household
development
and
outlet,
stormwater
management,
and/or
open
space
is
my
understanding
that
again,
the
applicant
is
requesting
to
remove
this.
The.
A
B
A
In
addition
determining
whether
the
request
a
rezoning
is,
in
conformance
with
plan
Des
Moines
amending
plan
des
moines
for
you,
Atlanta's
future
land
use,
designation
from
low
medium
density,
residential
to
neighborhood,
mixed-use
on
the
property
on
1157
26
streets
and
rezone
property
from
it
makes
one
excuse.
District
two
in
five
neighborhood
district
2
and
in
five
two
mx2
makes
use
district
to
allow
for
a
four-story
mixed-use
building
with
136
household
units
and
6,000
square
feet
of
ground
floor
retail
office
space.
A
A
Right
so
item
number
10,
which
is
a
request
from
lucky
gal,
one
property
located
at
3104,
Southwest
9
and
the
request
is
determined
whether
or
not
the
requested
rezoning
is
in
conformance
or
plan
Des
Moines
and
the
rezoning
property
from
rx1
mixed
use.
District
2,
mx1
mix
use
district
to
allow
use
of
the
building
for
an
amusement
arcade.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
does
wish
this
to
remain
on
our
public
hearing
item
tonight,
you'd
like
to
hear
it
okay,
so
that
one
will
remain
in
our
public
hearing,
okay,
so
the
consent
items.
A
A
A
All
right
now
number
seven,
it's
my
understanding.
This
is
a
request
from
three
land
grant
LLC
for
an
appeal
of
a
site
plan,
our
DG
planning
and
design
remodel.
That
was
denied
administrative
leave
for
property
located
at
301
Grand
Avenue,
to
allow
the
waiver
request
for
the
street
light
fixture
replacement
with
a
black
fixture
placement
type
with
banners
drinks
all
proper
footing
and
to
include
reinstallation
of
electronic
parking
directional
sign
on
3rd
Street.
It's
my
understanding
that
the
applicant
wishes
to
withdraw
the
item.
Yes,.
A
So
you
can
take
that
item
off
the
public
hearing
tonight.
If
there
was
anybody
here
for
item
number
7,
it
has
been
withdrawn.
I
know
number
9,
I'm
gonna
go
back
to
item
number.
9
is
a
request
from
your
very
living
for
property,
located
at
3801,
37:21,
3707
and
3705
Grand
Avenue
and
3810
Ingersoll
Avenue.
A
B
A
Okay.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
well,
if
we,
if
we
do
continue
the
Commission
votes
to
continue
this
item,
it
will
reappear
on
our
February
6
agenda.
So
is
there
motion
to
that
effect?
Yes,
I'll
move
to
continue
to
prefer
a
six
Thank
You
torrei,
all
those
in
favor
of
continuing
item
number
nine
to
our
February
6
meeting.
Please
signify
by
raising
your
hand.
A
A
B
A
D
A
E
E
We
didn't
want
to
proceed
tonight,
having
just
sent
this
material
out
on
Monday
that
people
might
have
received
until
Tuesday
Wednesday
and
you
folks
wouldn't
have
received
Hill
tonight,
and
so
that's
the
reason
for
our
request
for
deferral
to
your
February
6th
agenda.
I
wanted
to
make
the
Commission
aware
that
we
did
make
efforts
to
notify
the
neighborhood
through
the
neighborhood
mailing
list
and
also
we
know.
E
E
A
E
Don't
know
how
much
more
speaking
will
will
be
with
the
neighborhood
we're
happy
to
talk
to
them
at
any
time.
We're
not
scheduling
another
meeting.
We
just
felt
that
the
information
we
had
Senate
sent
out
here
that
you
now
have
being
12
pages
in
length
would
be
material
that
it's
only
fairness
that
they
have
more
time
to
look
at
than
us,
putting
it
in
the
mail
on
Monday
and
that's
the
soonest
that
we
could.
We
can
put
it
out,
but.
E
E
B
A
F
A
B
A
B
B
Yes,
so
again,
I'm
gonna,
repeat
that
February
6th,
which
is
the
first
Thursday
in
February.
This
will
be
taking
up
taken
up
again
for
consideration
and
the
same
same
process
will
be
initiated
by
the
planet,
Zoning
Commission.
So
the
meetings
will
begin
at
6
o'clock
as
well.
The
way
it
works
with
items
that
get
continued.
They
get
taken
up
on
the
head
of
the
agenda
over
items
that
come
in
that
are
new
on.
A
Thank
you,
okay,
so,
at
this
time
we're
ready
to
go
back
to
item
number
five.
This
is
the
city
initiative
public
hearing
regarding
proposed
amendments
to
the
approve
zoning
ordinance
in
Chapter
134,
the
city
code
relating
to
lat,
short-term
commercial,
real
uses,
not
confirming
use
of
separation,
distance
requirements.
A
I
B
B
B
Dea
I'm
sorry
dx1,
dx2,
MX,
1,
MX,
2
and
d
XL,
so
in
our
chart
that
we
use
the
matrix
that
we
use
for
the
provisions
for
sale
of
alcoholic
liquor,
wine
and
beer
as
they
relate
to
those
zoning
districts,
they're.
Looking
to
add
a
provision
for
separation
of
bars
from
churches,
schools
parks
registered
daycares.
B
F
J
We
passed
the
short-term
rental
regulations
with
some
restrictions
on
how
long
an
owner
must
reside
in
the
property
before
they
could
rent
it.
So
it
was
a
cap
to
had
to
live
there
for
170
days
out
of
a
year
in
order
to
use
them
in
order
to
then
rent
out
the
short-term
rental
for
the
remainder
of
the
year.
The
industry
felt
like
that
was
too
ownerÃs,
and
so
we
had
public
meetings,
discussed
it
and
came
up
with
some
amendments
and
took
that
back
to
them.
J
So
basically,
what
this
does
is
it
frees
up
the
unit
to
be
rented
365
days
a
year,
so
it's
full-time,
but
they
have
to
get
a
Board
of
Adjustment
approval
and
they
have
to
get
a
rental
certificate.
We
also
tweaked
a
little
bit
the
numbers
and
percentages
of
units
allowed
in
multifamily
dwellings.
It
was
a
little
confusing
the
way
it
was
written,
so
anything
any
multifamily,
duplex
or
above
can
have
one
one
short-term
rental
in
it
and
then,
after
that
it
becomes
a
10%.
J
So
after
nine
units,
it
starts
to
start
going
to
10%
and
rounding
down
to
zero.
So
that
gives
some
flexibility,
but
it
also
puts
a
cap
on
the
number
of
rental
units
in
multifamily
units.
The
feeling
is
that
that
will
help
not
drive
up
the
rent
prices
and
kind
of
have
a
cap
so
that
rents
don't
get
out
of
control
and
our
multifamily
dwellings.
K
K
How
would
it
play
out
if
say,
someone
wants
it
well
if
they
want
to
switch
it,
you
know
this.
Is
you
follow
I'm
saying
so
one
person
wants
to
do
their
unit
and
whatever
January
and
someone
wants
to
do
their
unit
later,
and
so
is
there
a
time
frame,
I
guess
what
I'm
asking?
If
someone
comes
you
and
says
I'd
like
the
certificate
for
a
month
or
something
they.
J
K
K
J
K
J
A
L
L
We
get
to
a
better
rental
timing
and
we
have
really
really
appreciated
opportunities
and
have
found
it
actually
better
than
a
long-term
rental
in
terms
of
the
people
that
we
have
stained
the
types
of
rental,
the
longevity
and
it's
just
been
a
lot
better
situation
for
us
to
to
have
those
types
of
renters
there.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
council
for
all
the
work
that
they've
done.
I.
Think
the
new
adjustments
really
help
balance
whereby
going
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment.
L
You
can
still
have
oversight
into
making
sure
that
it
doesn't
get
out
of
control,
but
yet
allows
the
flexibility
for
Des
Moines
to
have
growth.
We've
seen
a
lot
of
families
because
we
have
a
house.
Families
want
to
travel
when
I
travel
I
like
to
stay
in
an
air
B&B
or
somewhere,
where
I
can
have
more
space
to
spread
out
and
I
definitely
think
that
appeals
to
Des
Moines.
L
M
Thank
You,
commissioner,
my
name
is
Brad.
Padre
I
live
at
four
four
zero:
seven
South
East
6th
Street
in
Des,
Moines
Iowa
I've,
been
given
consent
by
several
people
in
the
area
to
speak
on
their
behalf,
weren't
able
to
make
it
here:
Jared
Johnson,
Thomas,
Kerbal,
Tobias,
cross,
Becky,
Hugh
and
Elma
Santana.
All
of
these
people
are
also
owners.
Who've
been
present
at
a
lot
of
different
City
Council
meetings.
M
When
I
first
came
to
Des
Moines
I
tried
to
rehabilitate
a
house
on
near
the
Drake
neighborhood
I
had
monthly
renders
one
of
them
burned
it
down.
I
also
owned
another
house
that
was
vandalized
my
monthly.
My
experience
becoming
a
monthly
landlord
was
very,
very
challenging.
So
I
decided
to
rehab
another
house
and
attempted
to
put
it
on
Airbnb.
It
was
an
area
where
the
cost
of
rebuilding
this
house
would
never
have
worked
without
it.
This
is
a
very
important
thing.
M
I
want
to
kind
of
drive
home
is
that
you
know
there
are
certain
members
of
the
City
Council
who
believe
that
Airbnb
owners,
like
myself,
are
actually
taking
homes
away
from
people
who
are
willing
to
buy
the
houses
and
that's
completely
untrue.
I
even
gave
a
City
Councilman
a
list
of
10
properties
that
I
put
bids
on
all
of
them
under
market
value.
I
did
not
get
six
of
them,
and
four
I
bought
at
a
much
cheaper
price.
There's
even
a
house
right
now
at
two
one:
four:
zero
South
East.
M
Sixth
Street
man
cannot
sell
his
property.
No
one
is
willing
to
give
him
the
amount
of
money
that
it'll
take
to
buy
it
because
he
has
foundation
issues,
Nia's
furnace
issues
and
every
rent
or
knows
every
landlord
knows
you're
not
going
to
get
the
right
amount
of
money.
This
is
one
hundred
and
fifty
five
thousand
dollar
house
that
needs
40
grand
to
work,
which
means
you
should
rent
it
for
$1,900.
No
one
is
gonna
get
this
on
this
block,
so
the
house
has
been
sitting
on
for
seven
months.
M
I
had
him
write
a
letter
to
the
City
Council
once
these
new
regulations
went
into
play
and
that
might
have
played
some
role
in
why
we're
speaking
today.
This
letter
said:
hey
everyone's,
not
paying
me
for
my
house.
I'm
gonna
have
to
do
a
short
sale,
but
mr.
Brad
Padre
wants
to
buy
it.
I
want
to
fix
the
foundation,
I
want
to
fix
the
furnace
and
the
only
way
I'm
gonna
pay
for
this
investment
is
unfortunately
through
the
use
of
BMB.
M
Now
I
have
had
both
monthly
and
short-term
rentals
and
I
found
that
for
better
or
for
worse,
it
seemed
like
my
luck
with
the
monthlies
was
absolutely
terrible.
The
renters
would
not
keep
up
the
property
and
because
I
was
making
so
little
money
on
them.
I
had
to
go
myself
to
do
the
repairs.
I
would
clean
up
the
basements
I
would
change
the
sink
myself.
It
was
not
fun
air
bmd
because
of
the
tourism
industry
I'm
able
to
give
people
jobs.
M
We
make
so
much
more
often
that
there's
actually
two
people
in
this
audience
right
now
whose
full-time
job
is
to
work
on
Airbnb
and
do
the
maintenance
and
do
the
hosting
the
lawns
are
kept
up.
The
houses
are
kept
cleaner,
I.
Don't
need
to
worry
about
any
crazy
nonsense,
because
if
someone
comes
in
and
treats
my
property
property,
poorly
I
can
rate
them
badly
on
the
website
and
potentially
get
them
banned.
It
is
much
more
difficult
to
evict
a
long-term
tenant.
There
are
pros
and
cons
to
this.
M
You
know
I'm
not
going
to
say
it's
all.
You
know
roses
and
diamonds
here
it
still
work,
but
I
believe
that
the
cons
are
vastly
outweighed
by
the
pros
I
believe
that
the
city
should
regulate
it
and
should
you
know
act
on
folks
who
you
know,
give
the
platform
a
bad
name
and
through
these
amendments
through
these
changes,
I
believe
that
Sue
and
Donovan
and
the
rest
of
the
city,
you
know
neighborhood
commissions
they'll
be
able
to
shut
down
anyone
who's
not
playing
by
the
rules.
That's
it.
Thank.
A
G
G
Let
me
describe
my
situation:
live
on
the
600
block
of
46th
Street
old
homes,
single-family
owner-occupied
for
the
most
part
couple
of
rentals
and
I
suddenly
find
myself
with
a
hotel
running
next
door
right
outside
my
window
and
the
person
who's
doing
it
his
live-in
neighbors
and
has
taken
an
unfinished
basement
and
turned
it
into
a
luxury
hotel
suite
and
is
renting
out
rooms
upstairs
on
top
of
that.
So
it.
G
Primary
concern
is
having
watched,
what's
been
going
on
so
far.
How
will
this
individual
be
forced
into
compliance
building
codes?
Fire
codes
city
permits
all
of
that
because
I
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
there's
no
scruples
era
right
now.
So
why
should
that
change?
And
that's
a
concern
of
mine
I
know
that
may
not
be
this
committees
direct
responsibility,
but
if
I
could
shut
her
down
tomorrow,
I
would
do
it.
G
F
G
N
N
This
turns
our
neighborhoods
into
commercial
zones
that
can
be
overrun
with
these
hotels,
which
is
what
this
rental
business
is
a
hotel
and
all
the
harm
that
comes
with
them.
The
proposals,
I
feel,
are
extremely
weak.
There
is
no
requirement
for
an
owner
to
actually
live
on
the
property.
There
is
no
requirement
for
them
to
even
live
in
the
state.
I
think
they
should
at
least
be
required
to
reside
in
polk
county
or
in
a
contiguous
county.
Changing
off
street
parking
should
be
required
by
the
resident
of
a
short-term
rental.
N
This
is
a
money-making
business
and
the
owners
need
to
take
responsibility
by
providing
parking
on
the
rental
site.
Allowing
the
renters
to
park
on
the
street
in
a
neighborhood
creates
many
problems
for
the
residents,
and
these
problems
occur
each
time
a
new
group
of
renters
arrives.
It's
like
Groundhog
Day,
the
movie
renters
parked
in
a
no-parking
zone
which
blocks
visibility
at
our
intersection.
It's
a
safety
issue
police
are
not
very
responsive
to
request
a
ticket.
N
The
violators,
which
means
the
same
car's,
parked
there
again
and
again
until
a
new
group
arrives
and
does
the
same
thing:
renters
Park
in
front
of
our
properties,
causing
problems
with
garbage,
pickup
and
city
snow
removal.
We
have
limited
access
to
our
own
properties.
Our
guests
have
nowhere
to
park
when
they
visit
us
any
service,
such
as
appliance
delivery
or
a
tree
trimming
or
a
repair
service
person.
It's
made
very
difficult
for
them
to
get
to
our
house
and
park
in
front
of
it
because
of
the
excess
of
renters
vehicles
parked
on
our
streets.
N
There
needs
to
be
a
limit
of
how
many
short-term
rentals
and
how
many
people
they
can
accommodate
are
allowed
in
a
certain
block
area.
There's
a
10%
cap
on
the
number
of
units
that
can
be
in
a
condo
or
apartment
building.
Why
not
the
same
consideration
for
our
neighborhoods?
There
needs
to
be
a
regulation
about
how
close
these
rentals
can
be
to
each
other
right
now.
There's
no
mention
of
this,
and
so
I
could
wind
up
with
entire
houses
full
of
renters
short
term.
N
All
around
me
with
no
owner
required
to
live
there
and
believe
me,
this
does
affect
property
values.
I
have
not
met.
Anyone
who
says!
Oh
boy,
I
live
next
to
an
Airbnb
or
great
I
want
to
buy
a
house
right
next
to
one
that
has
people
arriving
late
at
night
over
and
over
ringing.
My
doorbell,
because
they
think
my
house
is
the
rental
leaving
bags
of
garbage
on
the
curb
causing
the
bags
to
break
open
and
garbage
blow
across
the
front
yard
of
my
new
home.
N
Also
85
decibels,
which
is
allowable
in
this,
is
too
loud.
This
is
residential,
please
lower
it.
The
CDC
lists
any
noise
over
70
can
cause
hearing
damage.
I
want
to
know
how
the
city
is
going
to
enforce
these
rules.
Is
there
a
larger
budget
for
police,
Public
Works
and
the
Zoning
Department,
so
they
can
handle
the
complaints
and
make
sure
people
are
compliant.
How
can
the
Zoning
Board
realistically
say
that
these
businesses
won't
affect
the
general
welfare
of
a
neighborhoods
permanent
residences?
N
O
Good
evening
my
name
is
Diane.
Graham
I
live
at
635,
46th
Street
in
Des,
Moines
and
I'm
here
first
to
commend
you
for
stepping
up
to
regulate
short-term
rentals
in
the
city.
I
know
it's
a
tough
subject.
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
complexity,
but
I
think
this
is
really
important
for
residents
like
me,
I'm
really
pleased
that
as
I
understand
it
under
this
ordinance
from
here
on.
When
somebody
wants
to
open
a
short-term
rental
business
on
their
property,
they
have
to
get
to
permit
and
we,
as
property
owners
nearby,
would
be
notified.
O
That's
light
years
better
than
discovering,
through
increased
traffic
and
strange
people,
walking
back
and
forth
to
the
house
next
door
to
you
that
Sun
way
that
you
find
out
there's
an
Airbnb
on
your
block.
So
thank
you
for
that.
But,
like
others
here,
I
don't
want
you
to
stop
here.
I
still
think
there
need
to
be
tougher
standards
for
short-term
rentals,
especially
whole
house
rentals
in
residential
neighborhoods.
This
zoning
ordinance
does
establish
caps
for
the
percentage
for
multi-unit
building
that
can
convert
to
short-term
rentals.
O
There
should
be
some
sort
of
density
cap
also
for
residential
neighborhoods.
As
short
term
home
rentals
spread,
that's
a
critical
flaw
right
now
that
I
see
and
I'm
here
to
say
that
when
a
home
in
your
neighborhood
becomes
a
short
term
rental
property,
it's
a
game,
changer,
there's
more
traffic,
there's
more
comings
and
goings.
You
heard
the
stories
about
the
doorbells
I've.
O
Had
people
roll
up
their
suitcase
in
my
driveway
because
they're
in
the
wrong
house,
it
just
changes
the
fabric
of
the
neighborhood
so
short
term,
whole
house,
rentals
present
unique
issues
that
I
think
deserve
unique
solutions.
So
I
would
like
you
to
look
again
at
what
you
did
with
multi-unit
situations.
O
After
the
fact
after
the
neighbors
complain,
we
buy
our
homes
in
Des
Moines,
because
we
love
the
wonderful
residential
areas.
We
get
to
know
our
neighbors.
We
have
block
parties,
we
look
out
for
each
other,
short-term
out-of-town
renter's
blow
a
hole
in
all
of
that.
They
do
not
become
our
neighbors,
so
the
time
to
look
at
a
more
comprehensive,
short-term
rental
policy
for
residential
neighborhoods
is
now
not
after
the
problems
get
worse.
Thank
you
for
listening.
Thank.
A
You,
and
do
you
also
have
a
letter
you'd
like
to
submit
for
record
I,
couldn't
tell
if
you
had
something
you
wanted
to
read.
Thank
you.
Yep,
what's
going
to
happen,
is
we're
going
to
have
a
chance
for
the
staff
to
respond
to
the
questions
in
case?
That's
what
you
wanted
to
know
is
there.
Anyone
else
that
we
should
speak
has
concerns
or
questions
about
the
ordinance.
Please
step
forward.
P
F
P
Right
so
660
300,
D
Drive
west
of
wine.
A
lot
of
the
concerns
here
comes
down
to
the
hose,
so
there's
no
doubt
that
the
hose
need
to
be
held
responsible
for
what's
going
on,
so
it
needs
to
be
a
professional
thing.
These,
it
just
can't
just
be
random.
People
hosting
these
Airbnb
ease
like
in
these
every
host
needs
to
be
held
responsible
for
what
they're,
what
they're
hosting
it
can't
you
can't
just
wing
it
right.
So
every
host
needs
to
be
held
responsible.
P
It
needs
to
be
a
very
professional
thing,
so
so
not
every
random
person
should
just
host
their
house
or
their
apartment
and
I.
Think
that's.
The
problem
here
is
that
hosts
need
to
be
held
responsible.
So
if
there's
gonna
be
regulations
on
this
I
think
that
each
hole
should
be
held
responsible
for
each
thing.
So
as
far
as
decibel
levels,
noise
units
can
be
put
in
each
unit
and
hosts
can
be
alerted
to
their
phone.
When
a
certain
decibel
hits,
it
hits
a
certain
level.
P
Hosts
can
be
alerted
to
that,
so
that
those
guests
can
be
removed
from
the
property
if
they're
too
loud.
That's
a
very
simple
thing:
you
simply
put
the
decimal
unit
in
your
in
your
unit
or
your
house
and
if
it
gets
too
loud,
you're
alerted
and
you
can
remove
the
guests
from
the
unit.
It's
a
very
simple
solution.
I
do
agree
that
there
are
some
house
that
just
aren't
doing
it
professionally
and
those
hosts
should
not
be
allowed
to
do
that
and
I
agree
with
that,
but
they
need
to
be
held
responsible
for
that.
P
But
overall
I
think
it's
a
positive
thing,
but
there's
there's
definitely
concerns
I,
see
from
the
people
worried
about
noise
and
garbage
and
stuff
like
that.
But
it
comes
down
to
the
host
honestly.
So
if
the
host
isn't
being
professional,
then
obviously
it's
not
something
that's
going
to
work,
so
the
host
I
take
it
seriously.
It's
a
very
positive
thing:
I,
as
a
host
have
brought
a
lot
of
people
from
the
area,
and
it's
been
over
all
just
very
positive
for
me.
P
As
far
as
that
goes
so
my
spacing
it
overall
I
just
wanted
to
express
that
it
does
come
down
to
the
host
and
the
professionalism
of
the
host
if
you're,
if
you're,
just
gonna,
randomly
post
your
thing
on
Airbnb
just
wing,
it
there's
gonna
be
problems,
you
know,
but
if
you're
taking
it
professionally
and
you
you
post
it
any
and
you're
professionally
running
and
managing
your
property
and
you're
there
to
address
the
issues.
There's
not
gonna
be
problems,
but.
F
P
You
yes,
I,
agree
if
you're
winging
it
and
you
just
throw
it
up
there.
Oh
I
heard
air
babies.
You
can
just
throw
anything
on
there
and
get
some
money.
There's
gonna
be
problems
because
you're
not
taking
it
professionally.
So
if
there's
ways
to
separate
professional
holes
from
hosts
that
are
just
winging
it,
throwing
it
out
there
trying
to
make
some
money,
there's
something
there
with
that.
P
So
if
we
can
separate
hosts
that
are
doing
it
professionally
and
host
people
that
are
just
winging
it
and
not
paying
attention
to
what's
going
on
with
the
property,
there's
obviously
going
to
be
problems
which
I'm
sure
is
what
some
of
these
people
have
experienced
posts
that
have
just
donor
properties
up
on
Airbnb
and
not
monitored.
It
there's
been
issues
where
they
didn't
know.
There
was
noise
complaints
and
they
just
winged
it.
And
then
you
have
your
neighbors
complaining
and
nobody
knows
about
it.
P
But
if,
if
you're,
a
good
human
being
a
professional
host-
and
maybe
you
go
to
your
neighbor
and
say-
hey
I'm-
an
Airbnb
host
I
want
to
let
you
know
this
Pleet
here's
my
my
information.
Please
contact
me
if
you
have
any
issues,
we
have
a
noise
decibel
unit
in
in
all
of
our
units,
so
if
it
reaches
a
certain
level,
we're
notified
and
we
can
come
in
and
remove
the
the
guest,
because
it's
in
our
rulebook
that,
if
you
hit
a
certain
decibel
level,
you
can
be
removed
from
the
unit.
P
It
comes
down
to
the
host.
It
really
comes
down
to
the
host,
and
this
these
hosts
needs
to
be
professional.
If
they're,
not
professional,
they're,
just
winging,
it
there's
going
to
be
problems,
but
if
you
take
it
professionally
and
you're
there
for
your
property
and
and
make
sure
that
it's
run
run
properly
and
there's
not
too
much
noise,
this
can
be
a
great
thing
for
Des.
Moines
I
certainly
think
it's
a
great
thing
for
Des
Moines,
a
lot
of
trailers
here,
just
like
hotels,
it.
P
Q
My
name
is
Van
Hagen's
I
live
at
six,
six
to
45th
Street
in
Des
Moines.
Now
we've
heard
from
different
people
from
different
people
who
have
an
Airbnb
next
to
them.
Who
are
you
know
experiencing
that
kind
of
thing?
The
thing
is:
there's
a
difference
between
a
short-term
rental
and
a
long-term
rental.
A
short-term
rental
is
like
a
party
every
night.
No
one.
There
is
responsible
unless
there's
a
responsible
person
on-site
we're
talking
about
with
a
hotel,
yeah,
there's
somebody
there
with
a
launch
with
a
longer
term
rental.
Q
There's
someone
that
you
can
say:
hey
I'm,
you
know,
I
I
need
the
space
right
here,
because
somebody's
coming
to
work
on
my
house
or
I
need
this
right
here,
because
this
is
happening
there
isn't
none
of
that
with
a
short-term
rental.
There
is
nothing
that
someone
is
saying
responsibility
there.
Unless
there's
the
the
thing
of
Airbnb
ziz,
you
think
that
there's
someone
renting
out
their
house
and
they're
there
that
I
have
no
no
issues
with
the
thing
that
I
have
issues
with.
Is
people
buying
up
these
properties
and
saying?
Oh?
Q
Yes,
it's
a
wonder
for
us
because
we're
the
landlords
and
we
can
charge,
however
much
we
want,
but
that
does
not
take
into
effect
the
impact
on
the
people
who
are
around
them.
You
know
it's
like
I
said
it's
the
difference
between
a
party
every
night
and
then
somebody
who
you
can
say:
oh
yes,
here's
where
the
trash
is,
here's
where
we
can
help
each
other.
Here's
where
we
can
do
this
together,
I
have
no
problems
with
short-term
rentals,
where
there
are
people
they're
responsible.
Q
If
they're,
not
there,
it's
more
like
a
hotel
with
nobody
there
with
no
regulations
and
more
like
having
a
frat
house
next
door,
but
at
least
with
a
frat
house.
There
is
somebody
there,
who's
like
a
house
mother
or
whoever
who
can
you
know
see
that
things
are
okay.
So
to
me
this
is
like
having
a
frat
house,
but
with
nobody
there.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
R
S
I
managed
Airbnb
properties,
sure
yeah.
My
name
is
Jennifer
comb
and
I
manage
properties
at
400
walnut.
It's
on
it's
the
Kirkwood
apartments.
I
just
want
to
say
that
this
has
been
a
positive
experience.
No
one,
we
really
ever
do
we
get
people
coming
through.
Fourth
parties:
they're,
always
families
couples
coming
through
to
go
to
concerts
people
coming
in
town
to
see
their
families.
It's
really
a
unique
business
and
the
thing
is
for
us:
it's
not
about
just
making
money.
S
It's
about
showing
people
our
community
and
I'm,
really
passionate
about
it,
because
I
see
what
it
brings
to
Des,
Moines,
I,
love,
Des,
Moines
and
I
see
the
things
that
it
brings
to
us
and
like
people
come
passing
through
and
they'll
be
like
dewpoint
is
great.
I
had
no
idea
thanks
for
recommending
that
restaurant,
and
so
that's
all
I
want
to
say
is
that
it's
positive
and
I
really
hope
you
guys
don't
shut
it
down.
So
thank.
T
Evening,
commissioners,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
one
thing
that
that
was
stated:
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
it
was
intended
to
be
inaccurate,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
it
clear.
There
is
no.
There
was
no
prior
legal
use
of
Airbnb
Zoar
short-term
rentals
under
the
prior
code,
and
so
therefore,
there
is
no
non-conforming
use
under
the
new
code.
T
Anyone
who
is
operated
in
an
Airbnb
either
going
forward
under
the
new
code
or
under
the
prior
code
is
operating
it
illegally
at
this
point
and
needs
to
come
in
and
request
a
conditional
use
permit
from
the
Board
of
Adjustment.
That
would
be
whether
this
amendment
is
approved
or
whether
not
you
know
whether
the
code
as
written
as
goes
forward,
so
it
I
heard
someone
say
that
in
the
future,
neighbors
will
have
the
opportunity
to
come
in
on
this.
T
That
should
be
true
for
existing
ones
as
well,
because
again,
if
they
continue
to
operate
without
going
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment
forged
any
use
permit,
they
are
operating
illegally.
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear,
also
for
everyone
who
has
spoken
both
in
favor
and
against
in
the
audience
I
wanted
to
just
ban
for
the
Commission's
benefit.
I
wanted
to
just
give
the
schedule
the
proposed
schedule,
as
we
know
it
now
so
on
January
27th.
The
resolution
will
go
to
council
twos.
T
Unless
something
different
happens
tonight,
your
recommendation
will
go
to
Council
to
set
the
hearing
and
then
that
hearing
should
be
scheduled
for
February
10th.
Again,
that's
subject
to
change
if
we're
directed
by
the
city
manager
or
by
the
City
Council,
but
that
is
the
planned
public
hearing
would
be
on
February
10th
at
the
at
City
Hall
in
front
of
the
City
Council.
Do
you
have
any
questions.
I
T
They
may
have
been
operating
under
Airbnb
or
a
different
shirt
term
rental,
but
illegally,
so
they
have
no
zone
right.
So
it's
not.
If
an
if
another
neighbor
comes
in
to
do
it,
then
they
have
to
go
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment.
That
currently
operating
business
also
has
to
go
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment.
A
U
F
T
T
C
C
T
U
Okay,
so
I
just
wondered
what
the
response
or
the
reaction
from
people
who
owned
multi-unit
like
apartment
buildings,
because
essentially,
if
I
am
a
landlord
I,
have
a
city
inspector
come
in
I
have
regulations
that
I
have
to
follow
to
host
individuals
for
a
month
two
years,
so
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
weigh
these
rules
of
just
having
a
manager
available
in
the
city
versus
all
the
regulations
that
are
multi-family.
People
have
to
go
through
and
so
I
didn't
know.
If
you'd
heard
from
any
of
those
landlords,
I.
T
Have
not
I
would
defer
to
sue
on
that
as
well,
and
she
can
speak
to
that
again.
The
anyone
who
is
lawfully
operating
a
short-term
rental.
Well,
anyone
who
is
operating
a
short-term
rental
period-
and
they
should
be
doing
so
lawfully
through
a
conditional
use
permit,
would
also
have
to
get
a
rental
certificate,
so
that
would
then
be
treated
similar
to
they're.
T
T
H
H
J
H
J
Actually,
the
board
could
take
those
into
consideration
and
deny
that
application
they
could
take
into
consideration
neighbors
concerns
on
density
and
way
that
maybe
there
is
too
much
density
in
that
neighborhood
and
we
don't
want
to
allow
this
one.
So
that
would
be
something
that
could
be
brought
to
the
board's
attention
when
they're
evaluating
whether
or
not
that
permit
should
be
issued.
J
Just
for
other
questions,
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
answer
some
of
the
concerns
that
were
raised
by
the
people
that
came
up
and
spoke
there.
There
was
a
mention
of
85
decibels
that
is
not
allowed
in
a
residential
district
at
65
decibels,
so
I
I'm
not
sure
that
some
noise
control
ordinance,
not
in
the
short-term
rental.
J
A
A
J
Other
thing
they
talked
about
was
no
oversight
of
the
unit.
If
somebody
lives
out
of
state
or
out
of
County,
the
ordinance
does
require
them
to
give
us
a
management
agent,
a
local
management,
a
agents
name
and
phone
number
and
provide
that
to
neighbors
adjacent
to
the
property
and
post
it
on
the
property.
Then.
F
J
The
other
thing
that
they're
required
to
do
is
post
information
in
the
in
the
units
as
to
when
garbage
pickup
is
snow,
removal,
ordinances,
other
relevant
ordinances,
so
that
the
tenants
would
know
what
their
responsibilities
are
under
the
various
ordinances
while
they
occupy
the
structure.
At
this
point,
we're
complaint
based
on
how
we
find
out
if
someone
is
running
and
a
short
term
rental
I
think
it
will
stay
that
way.
V
J
An
idea
board
they
will
get
to
me
and
what
the
complaint
process
is
just
kind
of
go
through,
that
we
would
investigate
and
that
that
am
I
gonna,
give
you
all
my
secrets,
but
we
did
investigate,
determine
that
it
is
a
valid
complaint.
It
is
being
used
as
a
short-term
rental
issue,
a
Notice
of
Violation.
At
that
point
they
would
have
the
right
to
come
in,
go
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment
and
seek
the
permit
at
which
time
the
neighbors
look
at
within
250
feet.
J
Get
notified
it'll,
be
an
open
public
hearing
that
they
can
come
and
speak
their
concern.
It's
up
to
the
board
to
issue
the
permit.
That
would
be
required
to
get
the
rental
certificate
if
at
some
point
they
violate
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
board's
order.
We
could
take
it
back
in
and
have
it
reconsidered.
A
A
A
A
W
A
C
I
think
a
lot
of
work
has
been
done
to
try
and
find
a
common
ground.
A
lot
of
work
has
been
done
to
try
and
give
enough
court
control
to
the
city
to
avoid
neighborhood
problems
like
we've
heard
on
46
and
45th
Street,
and
it's
never
going
to
be
perfect
and
there's
always
going
to
be
mitigation
and
there
are
always
going
to
be
violators
and
Sue.
Ann
has
job
security,
no
question,
but
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
proposal,
so
I'm
with
Greg
on
moving
staffs.
Sorry
to
interrupt.
I
U
C
U
C
U
A
A
A
A
A
A
B
B
B
B
B
B
Transition
here
with
the
neighborhood
a
better
buffer,
so
to
speak
with
more
plantings,
we
don't
think
what
was
presented
is
adequate
for
the
needs
to
protect
the
neighborhood
to
the
north.
So
we
are
asking
for
that.
The
other
kind
of
big
item,
I,
think,
is
how
is
this
being
managed
here,
while
we
would
love
for
the
property
owners
to
work
together
and
have
a
cross
access
arrangement?
If
that's
not
going
to
occur,
then
we
would
want
to
ensure
that
there
was
a
curbed
area
in
here.
B
That
would
prevent
traffic
movement
between
the
two
properties,
so
that
would
limit
this
to
one
drive
entrance
as
well.
The
other
thing
is
so
in
the
conditions
you're
going
to
see
a
number
of
things
that
are
kind
of
standard
like
rooftop
mechanicals,
making
sure
they
have
the
proper
Trask
receptacle
enclosures,
but
really
the
two
kind
of
big
things
are
kind
of
keeping
up
that
landscaping
plan
along
the
north
edge
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
planning
administrator.
B
How
this
would
look,
one
of
the
things
we
do
want
to
make
sure
is
that
the
opacity
of
the
windows
is
sufficient
for
there
to
see
that
there's
interaction
between
the
activity
inside
and
the
street,
which
this
is
being
placed
right
on
the
street.
So
you
know
we
don't
want
this
to
be
sealed
off.
It
needs
to
interact
with
the
so
we
we
do
want
to
take
a
look
at
a
reduced
tinting
of
the
of
the
windows
to
make
sure
in
our
in
our
new
ordinance.
There
is
requirements
that
would
speak
to
those
factors.
B
H
B
Going
to
go
through
all
of
these,
but
though
they're
pretty
standard
with
regard
to
things
like
site
lighting,
rooftop
mechanical,
how
the
bearing
of
service
lines
to
the
new
building
and
then,
of
course,
the
big
thing
being
that
physical
barrier,
which
we
were
not
able
to
get
something
resolved
to
work
for
both
property
owners.
So.
B
B
B
B
F
B
I'm
going
to
show
you
I,
don't
did
engage
in
a
comment
card.
Nobody
came
in
to
look
at
the
plan,
provide
comments.
One
thing
I
should
point
out
is
I
know
there
was
some
concerns
about
whether
they
engage
the
neighborhood
or
not.
We
always
encourage
developers
to
engage
the
neighborhood
associations
that
they're
next
to
with
their
projects.
That
hasn't
always
happened.
It's
not
a
requirement
for
site
plan
review,
but
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
I.
C
B
B
X
F
X
Evening,
my
name
is
Bart.
Turk
I
am
with
civil
engineer
consultants
at
2486
Street
unit
12
des
moines
I
am
representing
mr.
Todd
nalang
on
this
project.
I
was
just
asked
by
a
person.
I
was
sitting
by
here.
She
is
a
representative
of
the
homeowners
association.
She
has
asked
two
stands
to
speak
prior
to
because
she
needs
to
attend
another
engagement.
So
I
would
like
to
ask
her
to
come
to
the
podium
and
go
ahead
and
okay.
Y
X
On
this
project
for
quite
some
time
now,
let
me
just
get
to
the
crux
of
the
issue
at
hand.
I
guess
this
is
a
Louis.
Floorcovering
is
the
neighbor
here
and
there
are
existing
parking
amusements
along
the
western
Lee
line
of
our
property
for
the
benefit
of
Louise,
and
these
have
been
in
place
for
quite
some
time.
Essentially,
Louis
has
a
parking
easement
here
and
Lewis
has
a
right-of-way
easement
up
here
are
twenty
by
twenty
right
away.
X
Easement,
and
currently
is
my
understanding
that
Lewis
comes
in
here
and
they
play
pull
a
big
old
truck
trailer
semi-trailer
in
here.
Well,
that's
fine
and
dandy,
but
they
don't
have
an
easement
to
do
that.
So
I
guess
Scott
has
been
working
with
Louis,
trying
to
accommodate
them
and
come
to
an
agreement
on
on
the
proposed
development.
So
we
have.
X
We
are
honoring
the
parking
easement
and
the
20
by
20
right
away,
easement
for
Louise,
and
we've
been
trying
to
work
with
them
in
preparing
cross
access
easements
between
the
two
properties,
although
Louise
is
not
willing
to
grant
an
easement
on
his
property
that
we
would
be
willing
to
grant
easement
to
explore.
Peppering,
along
with
that,
we
we
are
going
to
be
come.
We
are
complying
with
all
the
NPC
planning
guidelines
and
we
propose
to
comply
with
the
12
staff
recommendations.
X
X
K
X
This
cross
accident
of
access
access
of
vehicles,
and
we
would
propose
to
Louise
that,
if
that
we
would
would
get
along,
maybe
what
we
is
changing
this
instead
of
this
being
just
one-way
parking
at
an
angle
as
it
is
currently
today
it
would
be.
We
were
proposed
this
to
be
90
degree
parking
and
then
Louise
could
drive
his
vehicle
in
here
and
back
up
in
in
this
manner
to
his
dock.
K
X
Z
I
mean
mentioned
me
earlier:
Tyler,
Dingle,
27:12,
Northwest,
166,
Court
and
Clive
I'm,
representing
the
ownership
group
as
well
Greg
to
your
question.
There
yeah
the
number
twelve
essentially
states
is
if
we
cannot
get
in
an
agreement
on
a
cross
access,
easement
agreement,
then
to
provide
that
barrier.
Ownerships
preference
on
this.
Z
Essentially,
if
you
look
at
this
dash
line,
is
where
that
easement
sits.
Today,
ownership
would
actually
move
that
easement
further
on
to
our
property
onto
2701,
in
your
saw
to
provide
them
that
90
degree
park
and
give
two-way
traffic
on
this
street.
So
we
further
that
easement
would
also
provide
them
the
ability
to
access
the
site
here,
make
that
turn
and
then
back
into
this
dock
area.
The
the
third
thing
that
this
would
do
would
be
to
eliminate
a
third
there's,
a
currently
an
access
point
here,
access
point
here,
an
access
point
there.
Z
This
plan
eliminates
that
that
third
access
point,
which
was
recommended
by
staff,
as
you
mentioned.
If
we
cannot
get
that
cross
access
agreement,
which
we
feel
is
in
favor
of
all
parties,
then
we
would
just
create
that
that
island,
our
traffic
could
still
come
in
park
and
vacate
or
ex-excuse
me
through
that
same
entrance.
A
G
R
R
Any
kind
of
this
is
just
how
people
talk,
but
anything
would
be
a
thousand
percent
better,
but
they,
but
I
can
say
it
cuz
I'm,
just
a
neighborhood
person,
but
I
I'm,
mostly
here
just
for
information
and
maybe
Ted
willing.
It
is
not
familiar
with
some
of
the
problems.
You
saw
that
there's,
there's
22
homes
on
Linden
to
the
north.
R
You
saw
the
fence
I,
don't
know
what
Eric
is
referring
to
as
far
as
landscaping.
I
assume
that
he's
talking
about
landscaping
in
front
of
the
fence
towards
Ingersoll,
because
there's
not
really
enough
room
to
do
plantings
on
Linden
I,
can't
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
tell,
but
the
street
Linden
where
the
cars
are
parked
is
22
feet
wide.
It's
a
historic
district,
every
single
one
of
those
22
homes
is
him.
R
There's
only
one
rental
property
that
is
the
third
dense
that
has
gone
up
facing
London.
It
has
been
rammed
turned
under
used
and
abused,
I,
don't
and
of
course,
I'm
afraid,
I,
don't
know
how
much
dad
knows,
but
when
the
staff
recommendation
says
to
you
know,
keep
the
fence
and
repair
and
repair
the
fence.
I
want
him
to
understand
that
from
my
40
years
of
living
there,
he
better
budget
for
costs
of
new
fence.
Also
there's
another
question:
that's
come
up
from
the
neighbors
and
we
do
not
understand
the
little
niche.
R
Right
now,
the
fence
just
stops
there
and
then
there's
three
boulders
between
the
back
of
the
word
people
park
to
get
to
the
Yacht,
Club
and
big
tomato,
and
it's
our
experience.
They
kind
of
go
through
the
boulders
or
through
the
vents
or
it's.
So
we
don't
understand
that
fence
configuration
at
the
north
east
part
of
the
of
the
Platte
it'd
be
nice
that
they
could
do
an
the
fence
would
be
an
l-shape
and
instead
of
just
three
big
boulders.
A
B
In
terms
of
you
know,
they
would
have
the
option
of
pulling
the
fence
into
the
property
if
they
wanted
the
middle
plant
material
to
be
on
the
outside.
I
think
that's
really
up
to
them.
I
think
what
you
still
want
to
see:
Overstreet
plant
material.
If
you
looked
at
that
drawing
but
I
guess,
I
don't
have
barks
drawing,
but.
B
It
would
be
not
unlike
having
Street
trees
on
the
edge
of
you
know,
on
the
edge
of
the
residential
street,
whether
those
are
on
the
commercial
side
of
the
fence
or
the
other
side.
It
doesn't
really
matter
to
staff,
I
think
the
plant
material.
If
the
fence
is
having
to
be
replaced
periodically
due
to
damage,
they
may
want
the
fence
there
to
protect
their
landscaping.
But
from
our
perspective,
you
know
if
they
want
to
put
the
fence
line
right
in
here
against
the
parking
that's
up
to
them
most
of
the
time.
A
Okay,
so
I
guess
at
this
time
I'll
close
the
public
hearing
and
Commission.
What
is
your
pleasure
public
staff
all
right,
so
the
motion
is
to
move
staff
was
their
recommendation?
Is
approval
of
the
request
subject
to
12
previous
12
conditions
did
I
already
read
these
am
I
ready
center?
Do
I
need
to
read
these
into
the
record
all
12,
okay,
so
items
1
through
12
staff
recommendation
all
those
in
favor
please
signify
by
raising
your
hand.
A
A
A
B
I'm
sure
members
of
the
Commission
you
took
this
item
up
last
fall
made
recommendations
for
a
number
of
conditions
under
the
previous
zoning.
The
concern
at
that
time
was
that
when
the
new
ordinance
was
adopted,
those
conditions
would
get
wiped
out,
essentially
by
the
new
adoption
and
the
repeal
of
the
old
code.
So
the
concern
in
this
case
led
them
to
withdraw
their
request.
There
was
also
a
little
confusion
about
the
possibility
of
sales
of
liquor,
wine
or
beer
on
the
premise
which
they've
they've
withdrawn
any
notion
of
that.
B
They're
already
allowed
they're
already
working
to
get
up
and
running
with
tattoo
parlor
business,
which
is
allowed
in
the
rx1
and
they're
working
through
those
requirements
for
that
occupancy.
For
the
other
half
to
be
the
arcade,
they
would
need
to
have
the
zoning,
and
then
it
would
still
have
to
be
then
reviewed,
I
think
for
the
the
assembly
function
under
the
building
code,
but
they're
probably
already
working
through
things
right
now
to
be
able
to
have
that
ready
to
go
if
they're
allowed
to
use,
if
they're
allowed
to
have
that
use.
B
So
I
don't
get
too
much
further
into
that.
The
other
thing
I
should
point
out
is:
this
does
not
include
anything
to
the
West.
With
regard
to
the
parking
I,
you
know
I
understand.
Some
issues
were
raised
in
the
previous
review
of
this
that
had
to
do
with
other
activities
that
had
happened
with
these
buildings
and
in
disturbances
that
occurred
in
the
parking
area.
B
Against
the
residential
neighborhoods
in
the
West
they
all
they
will
have
a
compliant
site
plan
for
this,
for
their
parking
that
they're
required
to
have
at
this
point
I
believe
they
have
easement
with
the
church.
The
other
thing
I
should
point
out
is:
if
they
did
have
alcohol
sales
have
gone
for
that
they
would
have
had
a
bigger
hurdle
to
get
the
separation
to
variance
from
the
church,
so
that
I
guess
that's
another
thing
to
kind
of
point
out
that
had
ever
gone
that
direction.
B
B
That
would
already
be
allowed
and
then
add
the
the
allowance
for
the
sports
and
recreation,
private
participant
indoor
use
as
a
sole
use
from
the
mx1
district,
and
then
on
top
of
that,
just
to
make
it
very
clear
that
any
sale
or
service
of
alcohol,
alcoholic
liquor,
wine,
and/or
beer
on
the
premise
shall
be
prohibited.
So
even
though
the
zoning
wouldn't
allow
it.
This
is
just
kind
of
a
thing:
Clannad
calls
it
belt
and
suspenders.
So.
B
Then
there's
a
provision
here
that,
should
the
rezoning
be
denied
the
applicant
would
have
up
to
one
year
following
the
denial
to
cpu's
variance.
So
if
you
denied
the
city
council
denied
this
on
your
recommendation,
they
would
have
standing
to
go
to
the
Zoning
Board
of
Adjustment
to
seek
a
use
variance
through
this.
K
B
B
AA
My
name
is
Michelle
prisoner.
This
is
my
husband
Chris
prisoner.
We
represent
the
property
I
listed
at
30,
104,
so
plus
9th
Street,
as
Eric
said.
We
were
here
last
fall,
so
I'll
just
kind
of
try
to
go
through
some
of
the
things
quickly
and
to
leave
time
for
others
to
speak.
As
we
mentioned
last
time,
we
were
both
great
book
race
from
the
south
side,
both
graduates
of
Lincoln
High
School.
AA
We
currently
own
and
operate
three
lucky
gal
tattoo
locations,
one
across
the
street
from
the
current
proposed
location,
as
well
as
one
on
the
east
side
of
Des
Moines
and
Ankeny
I'm
kind
of
looking
at
what
we
would
like
to
do.
As
Eric
mentioned,
we
would
like
to
take
the
property
located
at
3104,
Southwest,
9th
Street,
from
what
is
currently
an
Rx
one
neighborhood
residential
to
an
MX
one
with
the
mixed-use
for
the
arcade.
AA
AA
Things
done
we
want
to
attract
new
patrons
to
the
area
as
well
as
potential
for
the
third
location
that
he
pointed
out
there
that
one
that
fins
is
in
the
blue
color
doing
something
that
also
would
complement
the
other
stores
and
allow
for
something
like
a
candy
shop
or
something
of
that
nature.
We're
recommending
I'm
doing
a
lot
of
proposed
renovations,
exterior,
we're
gonna
fix
all
the
exterior
building
issues.
There's
some
concrete
that
is,
you
know,
come
out
from
the
building.
AA
We're
gonna
do
all-new
exterior
paint
as
well
as
looking
at
a
new
new
front
to
the
building,
have
some
curb
appeal:
we're
renovating
out
their
parking
space
according
to
the
zoning
pieces
that
we
need
to
do
extensive
cleanup,
which
we've
already
started
to
do,
and
the
green
space
initiatives
increased
outside
lighting
and
a
lot
of
security
improvements
that
aren't
currently
there
today,
I'm
kind
of
on
the
next
page
just
shows
what
we're
looking
to
do
as
far
as
proposed
improvement.
As
far
as
internal
improvements,
the
building
needs
to
be
completely
renovated.
AA
We
have
started
to
do
that
as
far
as
all
new
plumbing
all
new
electrical
up
to
code.
We've
pretty
much
kind
of
stripped
it
down
to
the
bare
bones,
and
brand
new
building
obviously
got
a
be
a
compliant
bathrooms
new
walls.
Looking
at
major
insulation
to
have
some
of
the
noise
issues
and
things
some
of
the
initial
neighborhood
feedback
concerns
were
potential.
Late
hours,
parking
lot
issues,
consumption
of
alcohol
and
noise
issues
we
feel
like
we've.
AA
We've
tried
it
a
really
good
job
to
speak
with
the
neighbors
hold
meetings,
talk
with
our
associations
around
the
area
to
really
try
to
put
them
those
concerns
at
rest.
We
are
looking
at
very
reasonable
hours,
not
looking
to
be
open
very
late
on
the
weekends
as
well
as
during
the
weekdays.
I
talked
about
the
creased
and
cure.
Excuse
me
increase
exterior
security
and
lighting,
we're
not
again
read
or
any
we're
not
serving
alcohol
in
the
process
and
the
premise.
Nor
are
we
looking
to
go
towards
that.
AA
We
also
originally
had
talked
about
an
outside
patio
off
the
back.
We
are
not
doing
that.
That
will
just
be
your
typical
fire
escape.
That's
that's
required,
and
then
I
talked
about
the
new
walls
and
we're
doing
a
lot
for
noise
control
so
that
the
issues
just
to
kind
of
since
our
last
meeting
we
have
received
over
a
thousand
signatures
on
our
online
petition
in
favor
of
the
arcade
300
of
those
in
addition
have
been
written.
AA
We
have
met
with
the
church
next
door,
they're
very
in
support
of
the
business
and
working
in
conjunction
to
keep
noise
down
parking
lot
issues
we
feel
like.
We
have
over
a
long,
overwhelming
local
business
and
neighborhood
support.
We
have
a
lot
of
calls
and
things
supporting
it
as
well
as
we've
met
with
the
Grayslake
Neighborhood
Association,
and
they
are
in
favor
of
the
business
as
well.
F
A
B
AB
Current
one
is
here:
I
live
right
here
and
I
lived
there
before
they
moved
there.
I
have
found
them
to
be
very
good
neighbors.
There
was
one
night
when
there
was
an
issue
of
noise
and
it
wasn't
because
of
the
tattoo
parlor.
It
was
underage
kids
in
the
parking
lot
which
they
handled
very
quickly
and
efficiently.
AB
I,
wouldn't
hell.
Elderly
person,
I,
wouldn't
I
and
I
have
had
a
gentleman
that
lived
in
my
home
that
had
a
health
issue
and
guys
from
lucky
gal
came
over
and
helped
and
called
me
at
work
to
alert
me
of
the
issue.
So
I
wouldn't
hesitate
to
go
up
there
and
ask
for
help.
I
told
my
son
of
their
plan
to
put
the
Arcadian.
He
lives
in
Polk
City,
and
he
thought
that
was
fantastic,
a
great
thing
for
the
Southside
neighborhood.
AB
V
Madam
chair
and
members
of
the
Commission,
my
name
is
Marlene
Anderson
and
I
have
resided
at
3320
Southwest
12th
Street
for
the
past
32
years,
which
is
five
blocks
south
and
west
of
this
location.
Prior
to
that,
I
lived
for
five
years
at
5:09,
Southwest
Broad,
which
is
five
blocks
north
and
and
east
of
this
location.
So
I
am
what
you
might
call
an
embedded
resident
of
this
area
and
in
addition
to
that,
I
served
as
one
of
the
volunteer
citizens
who
developed
the
Grayslake,
Neighborhood
Association,
neighborhood
revitalization
plan
in
2012
and
13.
V
So
you
see
our
action
plan
for
the
neighborhood,
certainly
addressed
developments
and
improvements
such
as
this
I
am
a
grandmother
I'm.
Not
some
of
you
might
say.
Why
is
she
up
here
speaking
to
an
arcade,
but
I
have
three
grandchildren?
No
less
than
one
is
at
my
home
every
day,
all
they
live
in
Norwalk
I
picked
them
up
from
school
and
they
are
elementary
and
preschool.
Children
and
I
can't
wait
for
this
arcade
to
be
approved
and
for
it
to
open
I.
V
Take
my
children
to
the
or
we
have
memberships
at
the
Science
Centre,
the
zoo,
the
Botanical
Center
I.
Take
them
to
every
city
park,
I
worked
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
for
20
years
for
Parks
and
Recreation,
and
certainly
I
am
very
much
aware
of
the
city's
priorities
in
developing
recreational
opportunities.
Our
Kade's
are
one
of
the
newest
trends,
so
to
speak
in
recreational
activities.
V
Unfortunately,
there
are
none
on
the
south
side
of
Des
Moines
at
this
point,
and
this
will
be
the
first,
so
I
think
that
this
will
be
a
facility
that
would
help
draw
people
to
the
Southwest
9th
corridor
and
be
a
very
positive
improvement.
In
addition,
of
course,
we've
got
the
KC's
being
considered
only
a
block
away
from
this,
so
we've
got
some
really
good.
Things
happening
right
now,
and
I
would
see
that
this
would
be
a
continuation
of
that.
I
do
also
want
to
speak
to
the
lucky
gal.
I
have
been
very
impressed.
V
It
was
open,
I,
think
in
2010
and
I've
been
extremely
impressed
by
how
they
improve
that
property
and
how
they
have
maintained
it.
Since
I've
seen
no
negative
impacts
from
that
I'm,
not
a
customer
of
theirs
will
not
likely
ever
be
one
of
theirs,
but
I
probably
will
be
for
the
arcade.
The
I
think
those
are
the
points
that
I
would
like
to
make.
In
particular,
if
any
of
you
have
a
question
of
me,
I'd
be
happy
to
ask
those.
Y
Jason
Shrieve,
owner
of
jcd
and
hobby
on
3315
South,
East,
14th,
Street,
big
founder
of
this
company
I've
been
there
for
15
years,
we've
been
on
the
south
side.
We've
got
three
locations,
we're
looking
to
partner
with
lucky
gal
in
this
arcade
aspect,
to
create
a
family-friendly
environment.
Our
track
record
over
the
last
15
years
has
proven
nothing
but
a
safe
environment
for
people
to
come,
hang
out
and
enjoy.
Y
We
feel
that
the
Southside
deserves
and
need
something
like
this
just
to
keep
it
more
where
people
want
to
come
and
enjoy
two
weeks
we
put
up
our
signatures
for
this.
To
get
people
to
come
in.
Just
all
Southside
we
didn't
put
out
our
other
locations.
We
had
over
400
people
in
two
weeks
sign
that
they
would
love
to
have
this
place.
All
the
customers,
everybody
that
comes
into
my
place.
We
do
we
pretty
good
Avenue
revenue
that
comes
through
there.
We
would
love
to
invest
in
this
company
and.
F
Y
A
Y
Y
Y
F
AC
My
name
is
Ruth
canny
I
live
at
910,
Boulder
Avenue,
which
is
right
across
right
across
the
street
from
the
church
I'm
the
first
house
right
here,
so
this
is
going
to
affect
me
and
the
neighbors.
The
other
people
in
the
neighborhood
appointed
me
to
come
and
speak
tonight.
So
I
have
just
kind
of
statements.
AC
Chris
has
stated
there'll
be
no
liquor
served.
That's
been
addressed,
my
problem,
my
issue
is:
can
he
at
any
time
in
the
future,
come
back
and
say?
Oh
by
the
way,
we've
changed
our
mind.
We
want
to
serve
liquor
possible
or
not,
and
if
he
were
able
to
do
that,
is
there
a
way
we,
as
the
neighborhood
would
be
able
to
block
it.
AC
He
stated
possible
spillover.
Parking
and
of
the
church.
Lot
would
be
out
of
his
control.
He
could
only
control
what
his
section
is
and
my
fear
is.
There
are
going
to
be
cars
not
only
for
the
tattoo
parlor,
but
for
the
arcade
and
I.
Don't
know
how
he's
going
to
contain
that
I,
whether
he's
going
to
have
a
security
guard
there
at
all
times
or
or
what?
AC
But
it's
an
issue
of
being
a
nuisance.
If
people
are
going
to
be
there
and
parking
wherever
they
want,
there
is
no
barrier
or
separation
between
between
the
church
lot
and
the
arcade
where
it's
going
to
be,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
walk
across
that
parking
lot
and
I
have
concerns
about
them.
AC
AC
AC
AC
Oh
I
thing
I
was
going
to
say
the
loitering
thing.
There
are
homes
in
our
neighborhood
just
on
the
block.
I
live
on
and
across
the
street
that
have
both
children
and/or
pets,
and
we
don't
know
who
these
people
are
that
are
going
to
be
coming
to
this,
whether
they're
gonna
wander
into
our
yards
into
other
people's
yards,
whether
we're
going
to
be
a
in
a
safe
situation.
AC
I
would
like
to
know
if
Chris
is
going
to
be
at
this
place
at
all
times.
If
he's
got
three
other
lucky
gal,
you
know
or
two
other
lucky
gal
tattoos
partner
I
want
to
know
who's
going
to
be
in
charge
of
maintaining
and
watching
over
the
area,
the
other
one
I.
We
heard
that
he
was
going
to
be
adding
a
deck
on
the
back.
That's
been
negated.
I
would
like
to
know
if
this
is
okayed
by
the
board.
AC
If,
if
you
could
put
a
probationary
period
on
his
like
a
six
month
or
a
year
and
make
sure
he
is
doing
right
by
the
neighborhood,
that's
all
I
have
oh
I
do
have
when
we
came
before
the
board.
Previously
we
had
a
you
know
program.
It
was
hauling
homes
object
to
the
zoning
change
of
lucky
gal,
tattoo,
it
3104
Southwest
9th.
You
want
to
see
that
we.
F
AC
F
AC
A
AD
Alright
I'll
make
this
pretty
quick
as
far
as
just
addressing
all
the
different
things
that
have
that
have
come
into
play.
I
think
that
that
the
neighborhood
that
it
is
against
the
alcohol
I
think
that
kind
of
nip
it
in
the
bud
that
we
aren't
pursuing
this,
because
it's
an
MX
one,
so
there's
no
chance
with
the
church
with
the
school
we're
not
going
forward
with
that.
This
is
a
kids
friendly
environment,
we're
looking
at
candy
stores,
not
you
know,
smoke
shops
or
alcohol
sales
of
any
kind.
AD
So
just
put
that
away,
we
did
add
some.
We
are
adding
some
security
issues,
just
like
all
my
other
shops
I
do
want
to
let
put
cameras
in
that.
We
can
monitor
it
anytime.
We've
never
had
any
problems
with
any
of
the
lucky
gals
in
the
past,
with
loitering
or
any
kind
of
problem
type
things
I'm
guessing.
This
will
be
the
same
thing
here.
We
do
have
managers
on
hand
at
lucky,
gal
and
they'll
be
managers
at
this
location.
Yes,
I
have
three
I
do
travel
around,
but
I'm
pretty
excited
to
be
at
this
one.
AA
Also,
a
little
unrealistic
to
expect
that
someone
who
owns
it
isn't
so
they're
gonna,
be
there
all
the
time
and
we
have
three
locations.
We
spend
a
lot
of
time
already
in
our
locations,
but
that's
why
we
hire
a
great
management
team
and
that's
why
we've
had
such
good
success
with
our
current
location
that
we
have.
We
have
a
headache
complaint
as.
AD
G
AD
Parking
lot
smoking
again.
There's
no
smoking
on
the
inside
of
the
building.
I
can't
I
think
that
they
have
to
be
20
but
again
I'm.
Looking
at
children,
I,
don't
think
too
many
young
kids
will
be
smoking
over
there.
I've
had
the
troubled
kids
youth
center
come
up
before
I,
actually
encourage
the
troubled
kids
to
come
in
I
think
it
would
be
a
nice
mentor
situation
where,
if
we
have
trouble,
kids
come
in
the
guy
that
keeps
spray-painting
the
the
back
of
that
that
shot.
AD
I'd
love
him
to
come
in,
and
maybe
we
can
like
direct
his
energies
into
actually
painting
and
selling
and
making
money
I
encourage
it.
So
I
think
we
can
help
kids
realize
that
you
know.
Maybe
school
isn't
the
best
thing
but
come
in
you
can
learn
a
trade.
You
don't
have
to
be
college
bound.
There
are
other
things
that
you
can
do.
I
can't
really
read
my
other
last
thing
that
she
mentioned
at
parking.
Oh
the
church.
We
do
have
church
support,
Pastor,
John
and
Hazel
are
great
people.
I've
talked
with
them
numerous
times
there.
AD
Their
feelings
on
the
parking
is
they're
allowing
people
park
there
overnight.
That's
their
parking,
that's
their
choice.
They
allow
a
semi
to
park
there.
They
allow
other
neighbors
to
park
there.
In
fact,
they
think
some
of
the
people
actually
might
be
this
guy,
that's
actually
in
red.
He
parks,
multiple
vehicles
in
the
park.
I
cannot
control
what
happens
in
this
green
area.
AD
I
can
only
work
with
them
and
say:
they've
allowed
me
to
use
an
overflow
parking
as
long
as
it's
not
Sunday
mornings
when
they
have
Church
fine
by
me,
if
they
have
a
problem
with
somebody
avoiding
there
I'm
willing
to
take
care
of
it,
but
I
need
them
to
tell
me
that
that's
okay,
otherwise
I'm
gonna
have
some
other
angry
neighbors
me
telling
them
they
gotta.
I
towed
their
car
when
they
have
permission.
That's
beyond
my
scope.
AD
So
hopefully
it's
busy
enough
to
you
know,
have
overflow
parking,
but
you
never
know,
but
again
we'll
try
our
best
to
ease
the
neighborhood
I
think
we
just
need
to
be
there
a
couple
years,
even
though
we've
been
across
the
street
for
ten
years
just
to
keep
at
ease.
This
is
gonna,
be
easy.
We're
not
gonna
have
a
bunch
of
people
in
the
back.
You
know
gambling
and
smoking
and
whatever
they
think
is
going
to
happen
with
this
anything
else.
One
in
all
right,
I
think
I
covered
it
all
awesome.
AD
B
B
B
Yes,
the
other
question
about
a
probationary
period.
This
isn't
a
conditional
type
use
where
you
can
put
time
limitations
or
something
like
that.
These
are
permitted
uses
in
these
zoning
districts,
so
the
the
zoning
will
run
with
the
land.
If
there's
problems,
they
could
petition
the
City
Council
to
change
the
zoning.
That
would
be
a
fairly
extreme
situation.
I
would
imagine,
but
that
would
be
their
only
real,
that's
sort
of
navigate.
If
that
was
the
case,
there's
not
really
anything
built
into
the
code
that
allows
a
temporary
trial
run
here,
so
to
speak.
A
What's
your
pleasure
commission
right
and
the
staff
recommendation
is
that
the
Commission
find
the
proposed
rezoning
in
conformance
with
DES
Moine
plan.
That's
part,
A,
Part
B
is
that
the
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
request
to
rezone
from
limited
mx1
under
subject
to
the
following
conditions.
The
use
of
properties
shall
be
limited
to
any
use
as
permitted
in
the
rx1
district
or
a
sports
and
recreation,
private
participant,
indoor
use
and
number
two.
That's
it
any
sale
or
a
service
of
alcoholic
liquor,
wine,
and/or
beer
and
the
premise
shall
be
prohibited.
K
D
I'd
like
to
add
something
to
that
as
I'm
married
to
someone
who
loves
going
to
the
Barcade,
but
he
doesn't
like
the
bar
part
of
it,
and
so
I'm
really
excited
for
kids
to
be
able
to
go
to
these,
because
we
do
have
a
lot
of
bark
aides
but
unfortunately
because
their
bars,
children
can't
get
in
and
so
it'll
be
nice
to
go
to
one
that
doesn't
smell.
Like
booze.