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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting via teleconference on Thursday, Oct. 1, 2020.
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A
A
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plots
unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
community
development
department
staff
at
eight
nine
515-689,
four,
eight
nine
for
details
on
council
hearings.
The
applicant
will
be
given
ten
minutes
to
present
the
request.
A
If
applicants
wish
to
share
materials
not
already
submitted
with
the
application,
please
email
them
to
planning
at
dmgov.org,
so
staff
host
may
be
able
to
share
them
on
the
screen.
When
you
present
proponents-
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes,
staff
has
attempted
to
compile
a
list
of
people
who
would
like
to
speak
on
each
item.
Staff
will
first
call
on
these
people
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to
anyone
else.
A
Who
wishes
to
speak
to
request
to
speak
during
the
hearing?
Please
use
the
raise
hand,
function
on
zoom
webinar
via
the
internet
or
dial
star
9
on
your
phone
once
once
permission
to
speak
is
given
to
unmute
and
mute
dial
star
6
on
your
phone,
you
will
be
required
to
give
your
name
an
address
for
the
record
prior
to
speaking.
Also,
we
ask
that
you
keep
your
microphones
and
phones
on
mute
unless
you've
been
given
the
chance
to
address
the
commission
by
the
chair
and
again
to
unmute
and
mute
your
phone
it's
star
six.
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It
was
item
number
eight.
It
was
the
last
item
on
september
17th
and
the
the
motion
I
made.
The
motion,
which
is
correct,
is
written
here,
but
in
addition
to
that,
the
motion
included
a
that.
The
pnc
commission
should
establish
an
ad
hoc
committee
to
study
issues
related
to
the
sidewalk
ordinance
and
recommend
an
orderly
approach
to
that.
That
was
included
in
the
in
my
motion
and
was
approved
by
the
commission.
F
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Item
number
two:
requests
from
3100
grand
avenue
condominium
owner
represented
by
nancy
strickler
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan,
alternate
design,
documentation
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
in
accordance
with
chapter
135
sections,
135-9.2.2.4,
b
and
135-9.3.1b
for
property
located
at
3100
grand
avenue.
In
order
to
allow
installation
of
a
25
foot
tall
flagpole
in
the
front
yard
area
along
grand
avenue
that
would
exceed
the
maximum
allowed
height
of
15
feet
for
a
flagpole
within
an
nx3
neighborhood
mixed
mixed
district
building
per
chapter
135
section.
G
Madam
chair,
this
is
eric
lendy
senior
city
planner.
This
item
is
a
basically
a
type
2
design
alternative.
It's
not
an
item
that
would
normally
get
a
building
permit
or
anything,
but
is
still
a
standard
that
has
to
be
met.
The
the
applicant,
which
is
the
condominium
collective,
is
looking
to
reset
their
flagpole
with
a
larger
flagpole
to
go
in
a
slightly
different
location
but
they're
wanting
a
25
foot
tall
flagpole,
which
is
taller
than
their
current
15
foot
flagpole,
which
would
actually
meet
the
standard.
G
So
the
property
is
at
the
corner
of
31st
street
and
grand
avenue
on
the
southwest
corner.
It's
a
seven-story
building
in
that
location
as
a
point
of
reference.
This
would
be
the
tower
clinic
on
the
des
moines
university
campus
and
then
the
condos
at
3,
000,
grand
or
just
or
not
condos,
but
apartments
at
3
000
grand
on
the
block
to
the
east.
G
G
G
G
G
The
staff
report
staff
is
generally
supportive
of
this.
The
the
height
of
the
building
is
seven
stories,
so
this
isn't
a
question.
The
the
standard
was
set
at
15
feet
for
these
zoning
districts,
basically
to
stay
within
scale
of
residential
mixed
residential
zonings,
and
in
this
case
the
existing
building
is
a
seven
story.
G
G
J
G
C
D
C
C
We
can
no
longer
raise
and
lower
the
flag
because
of
a
broken
rope
and
there's
not
good
lighting
with
it.
So
we
undertook
a
project
to
solicit
private
funds
from
the
various
residents
in
the
building
and
are
not
using
any
of
the
association
dues
to
do
this
and
had
already
begun
the
process
when
we
were
informed
that
the
zoning
had
changed
january
1..
So
we
went
back
and
presented
this
site
plan
on
the
premise
that
the
new
flagpole
would
be
more
in
line
with
the
scale
of
the
building.
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H
They
are
interested
in
doing
this
as
an
additional
security
measure,
and
their
proposal
is
showing
this
type
of
tension,
wire
security
measure
that
would
extend
from
the
top
of
the
pre-existing
fence
outward
over
the
property
line
onto
the
adjacent
properties
as
a
deterrent
to
people
climbing
the
fence
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
explain
the
rationale
behind
adding
the
security
measures
we
are.
They
did
come
through
with
this
request
and
it
was
in
it
for
type
1
design,
alternative
and
staff,
evaluated
it
and
found
that
we
could
not
support
the
request,
so
it
was
denied.
H
We
also
informed
them
of
other
options
that
they
could
utilize
to
obtain
their
objectives,
including
that
of
a
either
extending
the
height
of
the
existing
fence
to
seven
feet
or
construction
of
an
eight
foot
tall
wood,
privacy
fence.
That
would
be
a
solid
wood
fence
for
up
to
six
feet
tall
and
and
then
two
feet
of
wood
lattice
at
the
top
staff
did
feel
that
those
were
appropriate
and
would
both
achieve
the
security
measures
that
the
applicant
is
looking
for.
H
H
We
did
not
receive
any
communication
back
from
the
notification
and
then
we
have
some
communication,
a
narrative
from
the
applicant.
I
can
zoom
in
and
scroll
through
that
and
in
more
detail.
If
we
need
to
I'll
give
you
a
few
minutes
to
look
through
it,
and
I
will
also
note
that
the
applicant
has
provided
us
with
some
security
footage
that
I
will
be
facilitating
for
them
during
their.
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F
O
So
when
I
received
the
agenda
on
monday,
that's
the
first
time
that
I
heard
that
that
it
was
explained
clearly
to
me
that
the
arm
extending
over
the
neighbors
would
not
be
permitted
and
also
that
you'd
made
recommendations
for
us.
That
never
came
back
to
me.
And
so
I
I
just
like
to
let
you
know
that
we're
happy
to
have
any
recommendations
that
you
have
and
we
just
look
forward
to
any
way
that
we
can
add
some
height
to
the
fence,
to
add
security
to
the
property
and
the
women
who
live
here.
J
H
H
The
reason
we
specified
vertical
is
again
just
the
fence
is
sitting
on
the
property
line
as
best
we
can
tell,
and
so
you
would
not
be
able
to
do
something
that
extended
over
the
adjoining
or
adjacent
properties,
and
but
we
would
also
be
supportive
of
a
taller
fence.
However,
it
would
require
new
construction.
It
would
need
to
be
a
wood
privacy
fence,
so
it
could
be
a
solid
wood
wall,
that's
six
feet
tall
and
then,
on
top
of
that
six
feet,
you
could
add
a
wooden
lattice
with
a
bit
of
support.
O
G
I
Madam
chair,
this
is
michael
ludwig.
Could
I
address
the
commission?
Yes,
yeah
miss
upton.
This
is
michael
ludwig
planning
administrator
for
the
city
of
des
moines.
I
reviewed
the
original
request
that
came
in
and
it
was
for
vinyl
slats
and
the
existing
chain
link
fence
and
then
the
tension
wire.
On
top
of
it.
I
We
as
staff
felt
that
the
vinyl
slats
and
that
weren't
in
character
with
the
with
the
neighborhood
there,
and
if
visibility,
was
an
issue
into
the
parking
lot.
We
felt
that
the
six
foot
wood
vents
would
be
the
better
solution
for
screening
that,
but
also
recognizing
your
your
desire,
for
you
know,
being
able
to
keep
people
from
climbing
the
fence.
I
We
felt
the
wood
fence
was
a
better
alternative
to
the
existing
fence
or
even
a
taller,
chain-link
fence,
it's
fairly
easy
to
scale
a
chain-link
fence,
and
so
we
felt
like
the
wood
fence
and
then
allowing
even
additional
height
as
a
lattice
on
top
would
more
adequately
achieve
the
objectives.
I'm
sorry
that
you
did
not
receive
or
comments
from
your
contractor.
O
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Q
Yes,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
bert
drost
planner
for
the
city
of
des
moines,
the
site
plan
before
you
tonight
is
requesting
eight
different
waivers
and
I
will
try
to
go
through
them
individually.
As
we
as
I
go
through
my
presentation.
The
subject
property
is
the
agribusiness
association
of
iowa
foundation.
Q
Q
Here's
their
landscaping
plan,
so
I'm
going
to
start
going
through
the
appeals
that
they've
requested
the
first
in
part,
a
is
for
an
appeal
of
the
requirement
that
they
screen
rooftop
mechanical
with
a
material
that's
equal
to
the
height
of
the
rooftop
mechanical
equipment,
and
the
appeal
is
mostly
for
the
west
facade
of
the
building
on
the
north.
The
new
addition
would
pre-predominantly
screen
the
retire
required
rooftop
mechanical
equipment,
but
on
the
west
side
it
would
still
be
generally
visible.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Oh,
you
know
foreseeable
future
where
the
city
would
be
able
to
make
or
get
the
required
undergrounding
of
the
utilities.
So
the
appeal
in
part
c
is
a
waiver
of
the
requirement
that
their
windows
be
horizontally.
I'm
sorry
vertically
oriented,
then
it's
really
just
on
this
north.
The
side,
where
they're
having
two
sets
of
windows
that
would
be
horizontally
oriented
rather
than
vertical
and
staff,
does
recommend
approval
of
that
waiver.
Q
Q
They
are
proposing
a
mixture
of
the
existing
brick
cement
panels
and
glass
window
systems,
they're
just
slightly
deficient
of
the
sixty
percent
requirements,
so
staff
has
require
recommended
approval
of
this.
However,
we've
recommended
a
condition
that
the
bottom
two
feet
of
the
building
decided
with
an
approved
major
material,
so
that
would
really
just
impact
the
area
where
the
cement
board
siding
is
shown
at
at
grade
level.
Q
Q
Staff
has
recommended
approval.
However,
we
believe
that
this
could
be
tapered
so
that,
while
it's
four
feet
at
the
north
end,
it
could
be
widened
to
seven
feet
by
the
time
you
get
to
the
south
end.
If
you
can
see
the
shape
of
the
parcel
is
kind
of
like
a
pie
shaped,
we
do
recommend
that
you
know
they
provide
a
range
from
4
at
the
north
to
7
at
the
south
and
the
appeal
in
part
g
for
waiver
of
the
required
decorative
metal
fence
in
this
landscape
setback
area.
Q
We
have
recommended
denial
of
that
and
then
the
appeal
in
part
h
is
they've
a
requested
waiver
of
the
street
tree
requirement
and
I'll.
Let
them
explain
that,
but
their
basis
is
that
since
they're
wanting
to
have
the
retain
the
overhead
utilities
there,
they
don't
want
to
provide
the
required
trees
beneath
the
utilities,
and
staff
has
recommended
deny
all
of
that
as
well.
So.
Q
A
F
A
R
Back
sure,
I
can
definitely
do
that,
and
you
know
if
we're
not
able
to
get
his
audio
to
to
work.
I
can.
I
can
kind
of
summarize
some
of
the
points
he
was
hitting
on
or
planning
to
hit
on.
Okay,
all
right
so
state
your
address,
please
yes,
kelsey
vetter,
14,
225,
university,
avenue,
waukee
iowa,
I'm
the
architect
with
farnsworth
group,
formerly
design
alliance
and
we've
been
working
on
this
project
with
agri-business
since
the
very
beginning,
so
for
the
design
alternative
items.
R
If
you
look
at
that
upper
image,
we
are
extending
the
walls
of
the
of
the
south
addition
up
higher
than
the
roof
line,
so
that
will
screen
all
of
the
units.
If
you're,
looking
from
the
south
side
for
the
north
side
of
the
building,
we
are
adding
an
addition
which
will
bring
the
face
of
the
building
out
further
and
yet
again
hide
these
units
even
more
so.
R
R
I
do
want
to
note
that
we
are
undergrounding,
the
line
that
feeds
the
building,
so
this
request
is
just
for
the
lines
in
the
city's
right-of-way
and
looking
at
all
the
the
properties
that
are
surrounding
us.
None
of
the
other
utilities
in
this
area
to
our
knowledge
have
been
undergrounded,
so
we're
really
just
matching
what
what
is
there
and
and
what
is
around
us.
If
you
would
go
to
page
12
here
we
have
an
email
from
mid-american.
R
We
we
worked
with
them
to
receive
a
quote
and
drawings,
which
bert
mentioned
beforehand
and
in
his
email
here
he
states
that
the
overhead
to
underground
conversion
is
going
to
be
extremely
difficult
in
this
area
of
town
and
businesses.
Fed
from
this
line
will
cause
extra
facilities
to
be
needed
for
a
temporary
amount
of
time
until
everything
is
changed
to
underground.
R
The
next
item
is
item
h,
and
this
is
our
requester
wave,
the
required
trees,
and
this
one
really
does
tie
back
into
the
overhead
utilities.
As
bert
stated,
you
know
our
our
biggest
concern
is
that
you
know
we
don't
want
to
have
conflicts
with
over-story
trees,
which
is
what
the
city
recommends
for
the
street
trees.
If
we
are
able
to
keep
the
the
overhead
utility,
so
we
don't
mind
including
trees
there.
If
we're
able
to
keep
the
overhead
utilities,
we
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
able
to
do
an
understory
tree.
R
That
would
miss
those
lines.
The
next
item
I
have
here
is
item
c,
and
this
is
our
request
for
approval
of
facade
materials.
Bert
noted
that
they
recommended
approval
of
this
item,
but
they
did
include
a
caveat
requiring
the
bottom
two
feet
of
the
building
to
be
a
major
facade
bert.
If
you
could
go
to
page
27
really
close,
so
here
are
the
renderings
of
our
building
and
our
goal
was
to
differentiate
between
the
existing
building
and
the
new
additions,
and
so
the
existing
building
is
brick
and
block
and
the
new
additions
really
utilize.
R
We
know
that
the
city
is
concerned
about
durability
and
we've
provided
the
manufacturer's
recommendations
for
these
products
and
for
the
fiber
cement
panel
board.
The
manufacturer
recommends
we
install
it
six
inches
above
a
soft
grade
with
that
soft
grade.
I
do
want
to
note
that
the
locations
where
we
have
this
are
not
next
to
traffic
areas,
they're
always
adjacent
to
planting
beds,
and
so
we
feel
that
the
opportunity
for
damage
to
occur
would
be
would
be
fairly
minimized.
R
If
you
go
to
page
seven,
this
is
our
site
plan
layout
and,
as
you
can
see,
our
existing
site
and
our
parking
lot
is
is
oddly
shaped
and
we
worked
with
the
city,
and
you
know
I
do
want
to
thank
the
city
for
working
with
us
through
this,
but
we
worked
with
them
to
provide
as
many
stalls
and
meet
as
many
requirements
as
possible.
But
this
four
foot
buffer
at
the
north
side
of
the
parking
lot
is
difficult
to
overcome
without
causing
more
issues.
R
You
know
there
might
be
some
maintenance
concerns
about
how
we're
able
to
keep
the
shrubs
trimmed
and
you
know
not
have
them
intertwined
with
the
fence
and
in
speaking
with
the
owner
too.
This
is
the
agribusiness
association
of
iowa
and
we
thought
that
maybe
a
living
fence
could
be
a
more
appropriate
way
to
approach
this.
And
so
you
know
if
we
do
more
bushes
or
more
plants,
that
that
could
be
a
really
nice
aesthetic
that
would
still
screen
the
stream.
The
cars
in
this
area
items.
R
I'm
just
about
done
here,
but
items
d,
e
and
f
were
recommended
for
approval
by
the
staff,
so
we
have
no
additional
comments
for
those
items
and
then
lastly,
I
do
want
to
state
that
we
really
appreciate
working
with
the
city
of
des
moines
on
this
entire
project.
I
know
this
existing
building
has
had
its
challenges,
as
has
the
site,
and
the
city
has
been
extremely
helpful
in
in
working
through
those
items
with
us
and
and
making
sure
that
we
end
up
with
a
safe
and
aesthetically
pleasing
project.
R
R
R
Okay,
well,
if
you,
if
you
guys
don't
mind,
I
do
have
some
of
the
information
that
kevin
was
going
to
bring
up,
and
I
could
I
could
briefly
touch
on
that.
I
know
it
won't
be.
It
won't
be
quite
the
same,
but
something
is
better
than
nothing
right
and
actually
too.
If
joel
is
on
the
line,
maybe
he
could?
I
don't
know
if
he's
on
here
or
not.
S
There
can
you
hear
me
now:
yes,
yes,
yeah
kelsey
kelsey
did
a
great
job
describing
our
concerns
about
this
project,
but
I
want
to
say
thanks
to
you
as
a
commission
and
the
help
that
the
staff
has
given
us
as
kelsey
described.
This
is
a
very
irregular
shaped
lot
and
we
want
to
do
everything
we
can
to
within
reason,
of
course,
to
really
make
a
good
improvement.
S
S
This
is
in
our
mind
about
a
three
million
dollar
renovation
and
improvements
to
be
made
interior
and
exterior
on
the
facility
we're
raising
those
funds
through
a
capital
campaign,
because
we
don't
have
those
funds
on
hand
and
so
we're
trying
to
raise
those
funds.
We've
raised
successfully
raised
approximately
two
million
dollars
of
that
three
million
dollars.
S
None
of
that
has
come
from
a
major
gift.
It's
all
come
in
small
bites
if
you
will
from
agribusiness
companies.
So
in
addition
to
the
concerns
of
these
variances
and
the
challenges
that
we
face
with
them,
you
know
it
does
add
additional
costs
to
the
project,
and
it
appears
that
you
know.
If
we
aren't
able
to
raise
those
months,
monies
will
have
to
have
some
debt
against
it.
S
I
know
that
finances
aren't
a
concern
to
you
and
we
want
to
do
things
right
and
and
improve
the
space,
but
I
would
just
say
if
you
look
around,
where
we're
located
and
in
the
zone
we're
in
a
gravel
parking
lot
to
our
east
for
about
a
block
and
a
half
owned
by
the
state,
a
church
to
our
south
and
a
church
to
our
west,
neither
which
has
been
updated
for
decades
and
then
a
a
less
lower
quality,
I'll,
say
residential
area
to
our
north.
Just
on
the
border
of
us.
S
We
just
think
this
three
million
dollar
project
as
it
stands
and
as
we've
requested,
is
going
to
do
a
a
great
amount
to
improve
the
visibility,
the
location
and
the
community
by
itself.
So
I
would
agree
with
everything
that
kelsey
addressed
from
the
technical
standpoint
and
we
just
value
your
support
to
move
forward
with
these
four
variances,
as
requested.
E
E
R
We've
had
our
contractor
look
at
oh,
a
system
which
would
not
need
to
penetrate
the
roof,
one
that
would
sit
on
top
and
the
the
problem
with
that
is
the
the
weight
of
the
anchors.
So
it's
not
so
much
the
you
know
the
cost
of
the
screen.
Is
you
know
it's
it's
a
significant
amount,
but
it's
it's
more,
so
the
the
cost
of
having
to
reinforce
all
of
the
existing
structure
of
the
roof
because
of
how
much
extra
weight
we're
going
to
have
on
this
roof.
R
T
R
I'm
looking
at
the
site
plan
the
the
amount
of
space
that
we
have
to
the
east,
which
I
think
would
be
probably
the
the
best
location
for
those
is,
is
limited
and
and
right
now
all
of
the
all
the
existing
units
for
the
building
are
on
top
of
the
roof.
So
you
know
in
a
way
we're
replacing
those
and
it's
kind
of
set
up
so
that
we
could,
you
know,
keep
all
of
those
units
on
the
roof
and
and
away
from
away
from
the
bottom
where
we
could
have.
R
I
don't
know
we
just
just
keeping
it
the
same
as
what
it's
been
before.
It's
kind
of
the
the
direction
that
that
we've
gone
for
this
and
then
we
don't
have
to
worry
so
much
about
you
know
if
there's
ever
any
vandalism-
or
you
know
a
car
that
could
potentially
run
into
these,
because
there
is
a
little
bit
of
an
alleyway
that
that
runs
along
that,
oh,
that
east
side
of
the
building
there.
A
A
J
F
J
J
However,
it's
not
always
very
fair
when
the
burden
is
such
that
you
have
to
underground
other
utilities
in
other
areas
to
make
the
few
in
front
of
your
building.
You
know
unsightly,
so
I
struggle
with
pushing
that
one
on
them
in
this
case
that
that
drawing
that
had
the
red
lines
really
seemed
pretty
telling.
E
E
I
believe
the
american
legion
has
their
headquarters
to
the
directly
to
the
west
of
this
property,
and
we
struggled
with
a
similar
issue
with
underground
utilities
for
that
property,
and
we
did
do
waivers
for
that
and
in
terms
of
fairness,
I'd
like
bert,
if
you
would
allow
greg
to
interrupt
for
me
to
interrupt
your
motion.
If
that's
what
you
were,
you
know
doing
to
explain
what
we
did
across
the
street,
just
in
the
in
the
interest
of
fairness
and
see
you
know
to
see
if
we
made
an
exception
there.
Q
Yeah,
thank
you
will
I'm
trying
to
remember.
I
know
that
that
legion
you're
talking
about
is
about
a
block
to
the
west
and
then
another
block
or
two
north
at
the
corner
of
lyon
street
and
I
believe
either
east
7th
or
pennsylvania
avenue.
I
I
honestly
don't
remember
the
specific,
though
of
jason.
Do
you
happen
to
remember
eric.
G
G
But
that
wasn't
the
that
was
not.
That
was
to
change
out
the
polls
that
were
already
existing
on
the
surround
on
the
perimeter
of
the
site.
I
don't
believe
they
would
have
had
to
bury
the
the
electrical
lines
they
were
going
to
have
to
upgrade
to
the
black
pole
type,
which
was
also
demonstrated
at
that
point,
as
as
a
a
hyper
percentage
of
their
total
project
cost.
U
Yeah,
this
is
jason
vanessa
playing
staff
not
to
not
to
make
this
longer
than
it
needs
to
be.
I
apologize
for
that,
but
part
of
the
discussion
on
that
other
case
was
that
all
they
were
doing
was
renovating
their
parking
lot
and
so
that
you
know
that
was
a
very
small
total
of
construction
cost
as
it
related
to
the
polls,
and
so
it
was.
It
was
more
about
balancing
the
magnitude
of
improvements
versus
the
requirements
so
now
exactly
the
same
as
the
situation,
but
you
know
somewhat
relevant.
J
J
Yeah
I
apologize,
I'm
not
sure
what
else
was
said.
I
guess
what
I
would
say
is
I
I
was
okay,
not
doing,
b
a.
I
think,
it's
something
they
should
do,
whether
they
relocate
equipment
because
they
don't
want
to
solve
the
the
roof
structure
or
screen
it.
I
think
it's
important
in
that
area
there's
enough
of
a
vista,
it's
not
just
from
the
bottom
of
the
building.
Looking
up,
I
actually
agree
with
their
c.
A
M
M
Q
A
V
V
A
A
Q
That
was
one
of
the
conditions.
I
know
you
were
already
scratched
condition
number
one
that
we
had
recommended,
but
I
wasn't
sure
if
on
condition,
number
two,
where
the
fence
would
taper
from
four
feet
at
the
north
end
to
seven
feet
at
the
south
end.
If
that
was
the
commission's
desire
or
if
you'd
prefer
a
four
foot,
continuous
setback.
Q
Q
Yeah
would
be
to
approve
the
appeals
and
b
c
d,
e
and
f,
and
I
don't
believe
any
of
the
conditions
that
were
recommended
would
apply
okay
and
then
that
motion
would
be
to
deny
parts
a
which
is
the
rooftop
screening
waiver
part
g,
which
is
waiver
of
the
metal
fence
and
h,
which
is
waiver
of
the
required
street
trees.
Yes,.
N
A
B
H
K
B
U
U
U
U
U
U
U
I
do
have
all
the
full
set
of
engineering
site
plan
drawings,
I'm
not
going
to
go
ahead
and
go
through
those,
but
if
we
need
to,
we
can
certainly
come
back
to
these.
So
I'll.
Just
go
ahead
and
jump
to
the
letter
from
the
applicant
representative
outlining
their
type
two
design
requests
the
in
this
zoning
district.
The
storefront
building
is
supposed
to
have
ninety
percent
frontage
and
they're,
proposing
23.
U
What
they're
proposing
exceeds
those
kind
of
maximums
as
far
as
a
layout
style,
then
the
three
stories,
the
minimum
height
in
this
district
for
storefront,
building,
they're,
proposing
a
two-story
building
and
then
the
entrance
on
the
front-
and
this
is
what
I'm
going
to
focus
more
on
just
to
maximize
time.
But
we
certainly
can
discuss
the
other
three
if
you,
if
you'd
like,
but
they
are
asking
to
not
have
that
primary
entrance
on
the
on
the
street
on
their
main
street
facade.
U
Staff
reports
that
you
received,
we
always
include
the
criteria
for
granting
type
2
relief
in
the
packet.
So
if
we
need
to
come
back
to
it,
we
certainly
can,
but
it
is
there.
We
did
and
analyze
all
four
and,
as
I
mentioned
a
b
and
c,
we
are
supporting
the
last.
So
what
we
can
support
is
that
entrance
in
the
staff
report.
U
We
don't
believe
that
the
pedestrian
or
excuse
me,
the
overhead
doors,
would
add
the
level
of
visual
connection
between
the
public
realm
and
activity
within
the
building,
and
I
think
you
also
gotta
factor
in
the
amount
of
time
that
the
doors
would
be
open
would
be
limited
by
weather.
They
are
separated
from
the
sidewalk
by
landscaping.
U
U
We
did
note,
too,
that
other
development
in
the
area
has
successfully
done
kind
of
a
double-sided
feature
element
where
they
have
a
door
facing
a
parking
lot
and
then
also
facing
ingersoll
avenue
saw
some
of
those
in
the
pictures
that
I've
shown
at
the
beginning.
My
presentation
with
that,
just
in
summary,
we
support
a
b
and
c
giving
waiver
of
the
building
frontage
requirement
on-site
parking
requirements,
building
height
standards,
but
can't
support
the
request
on
part
d
and
then
have
just
some
stamp
very
standard
language.
A
A
W
Yeah
hi:
this
is
clark
snyder
with
simonson
and
associates
architects,
1717
ingersoll
avenue
in
des
moines,
representing
allen
also
on
the
line,
is
doug
saltsgaver
with
engineering
resource
group.
I
just
wanted
to
introduce
ourselves
and
thank
city
staff
and
jason
on
on
this
application
that
started
back
in
june.
So
thank
you
for
all
their
hard
work
and
dedication
as
we
as
we
dealt
with
this
difficult
site.
I
wanted
to
I'll
keep
this
short
and
sweet.
Obviously
we're
we're
tearing
down
a
blighted
site
and
cleaning
things
up.
W
That's
really
kind
of
a
gateway
to
the
ingersoll
corridor,
so
appreciate
that
and-
and
it's
been
a
challenging
site
to
develop
access
points
off
of
ingersoll,
no
access
off
of
mlk.
How
that
site,
how
that
building's
oriented
on
that
site
has
been
a
challenging
meeting
as
many
of
the
type
1
and
type
2
design
requirements
as
possible.
W
So
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
that
the
applicant
is
in
support
of
items
a
b
and
c,
but
we
would
ask
planning
and
zoning
to
consider
reconsider,
not
having
a
building
a
primary
building
entrance
off
of
off
of
ingersoll
and
jason
had
hit
on
a
few
of
those
topics
related
to
the
overhead
doors,
as
they
face
ingersoll
and
kind
of
that
transparency
and
connection
between
the
the
new
proposed
ingersoll
streetscape
improvements
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
which
we're
still
working
through
with
kirk
and
michael
who's.
The
city
appointed
engineer
on
that
work.
W
That's
been
a
challenge
as
well,
so
we're
working
through
that.
We
also
worked
with
kirkland,
michael
through
this
process
on
location
of
a
transformer
not
only
for
this
building,
but
also
all
the
new
improvements,
as
everybody
has
seen
that
is
going
up
and
down
ingersoll
avenue.
So
thank
you
for
that.
If
you
maybe
zoom
into
the
north
elevation
jason,
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
where
you
see
zora
behind.
W
That
is
a
flat
steel,
canopy
and
our
approach
there
was
to
provide
a
connection
off
of
ingersoll
for
the
pedestrians
and
then
that
canopy
wraps
around
to
the
west
side
of
the
building.
If
you
can
zoom
out
and
over
to
the
to
the
west
elevation
please
so
that
canopy
continues
to
the
proposed
main
entrance
to
zora
and
and
one
it
achieves
that
pedestrian
connection
off
of
ingersoll
and
two.
It
provides
a
direct
connection
to
the
rooftop
stairs
so
that
we're
not
circulating
through
the
entire
dining
area.
W
So
one
of
the
other
challenges
too,
with
bars
and
restaurants,
is
just
you
know,
security
and
access
points.
We
obviously
need
it
because
of
the
you
know
the
exit
requirements,
but
we
also
want
to
limit
that
so
that
we
can
check
people
in
and
and
monitor
the
comings
and
goings
of
the
bar
and
restaurant.
So
security
is
always
important
too.
So
adding
a
adding
an
entrance
off
the
north
side
would
be
a
challenge
just
from
a
flow
perspective
based
on
the
existing
interior
layout.
W
W
J
W
Yeah
and
and
jason
I
apologize,
I
thought
jillian
was
presenting.
I
did
send
her
a
couple
of
three-dimensional
elevations
or
perspectives,
but
we
are,
I
mean
the
other
thing
that
that
we
haven't
done
here.
Greg
is,
you
know,
we're
a
couple
of
feet
off
the
property
line,
so
we
weren't
requesting
air
rights
we
could,
but
so
fancy.
J
U
A
W
M
And
this
is
greg
jones
I'll,
make
a
comment
on
that.
Just
looking
at
the
north
elevation,
there's
a
lot
stronger
draw
to
what's
on
the
mlk
side,
based
on
the
canopy
that
hangs
out
that
way,
rather
than
the
one
we
see
with
the
sign
on
it.
So
I
agree
with
greg
wadier
that
it
needs
to
be
beefed
up.
However,
you
do
that,
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
perspective
view.
U
W
A
A
H
W
Yes,
sorry,
there's
there's
the
rooftop
level
on
the
second
level
and
then
there's
also
a
patio
off
the
east
side
of
the
building
as
well.
That
faces
downtown.
So
there
is
our
ada
and
accessibility
requirements.
We
do
have
a
patio
on
the
east
side
of
the
building
facing
downtown
and
then
three-fourths
of
the
upper
level
is
a
rooftop
patio.
A
A
X
X
So
where
it's
at
right
now
and
where
the
future
sidewalk
will
be.
We
really
could
not
work
in
a
accessible
entrance
based
on
where
the
grades
are
now
so
we
couldn't
currently
make
it
work,
and
we
don't
know
if
in
the
future,
when
the
streetscape
improvements
are
done,
if
it
would
work
at
that
time,
I
think
most
of
you
would
agree.
X
Common
sense
says
you
don't
want
to
set
a
building
too
low,
where
you're
going
to
get
water
running
in
the
front
door,
and
that's
certainly
not
what
we
want
to
do
so,
that's
another
obstacle.
We
have
if
with
putting
a
primary
entrance
on
the
north.
So
with
that
I'll
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
regarding
that.
N
N
X
A
K
Carol,
maher
your
address,
carol,
sure
1510
center
street
des
moines,
iowa,
50314,
okay,
I'm
a
resident
in
the
neighborhood
and
I'm
a
civilian,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak,
and
this
looks
like
a
really
great
project
for
that
corner.
What
kind
of
food
are
you
gonna
have
do?
You
know.
K
W
K
You
know
that
wouldn't
go
into
the
restaurant.
That
would
be
more
of
an
easy
in
and
out
so
you
wouldn't
have
all
those
other
traffic
people
going
through
where
your
sit
downers
are
might
be
considered
as
a
way
as
a
compromise,
and
you
said
I
think
you
you
required
to
do
one
bike
rack,
but
you
were
going
to
do
two.
If
there's
any
way
you
can
fit
more
bike
parking,
I
think
more
is
always
better.
K
Just
as
someone
that's
relatively
new
to
the
city
and
a
bicyclist
and
and
the
difficulty
in
finding
places
to
park
my
bike,
I
think
this
is
this
is
a
really
great
bike
route.
That's
that
has
bike
lanes
and
encouraging
bicyclists
to
come
to
your
place
and
having
a
place
to
park
there
and
lock.
Their
bike
is
always
good,
so
don't
miss
out
on
that,
because
biking
is
the
future
baby
and-
and
you
mentioned
that
you're
going
to
be
that
you've
started
demolition.
W
W
N
A
W
No
other
than
to
yeah,
I
will
add
one
more
comment.
Just
to
echo
what
greg
had
said.
Without
the
the
attempt
to
working
with
staff
on
on
air
rights
over
the
proposed
ingersoll
streetscape
improvements,
we
would
look
to
providing
a
little
bit
stronger
entrance.
You
know
off
of
ingersoll
to
our
west
entrance
if
you
please
consider
that
exception
of
a
primary
entrance
on
the
north
side.
Okay,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration.
W
A
J
Mike
this
is
greg
watson,
madam
chair,
I
I'm
sure
others
have
thoughts
too,
but
I've
probably
already
tipped
my
hand.
This
picture
is
a
really
good
picture
and
showing
that
I
personally
think
it's
very
difficult
to
front
the
front
door
and
it's
not
a
site
problem.
I
think
the
site
design
concepts.
Fine.
J
I
understand
the
concern
with
connecting
into
ingersoll
and
some
unknowns.
I
understand
all
that
so
in
my
opinion,
either
the
front
door
needs
to
be
better,
addressed
and
moved
to
the
move
to
the
ingersoll
side
or
if
it
stays
on
the
west
side,
that
that
it's
a
much
stronger,
architectural
and
or
landscape
element
right
now,
it's
just
a
sidewalk,
the
the
form
that's
on
the
east
side
is
so
dominant.
That
screen
form.
U
J
M
M
A
M
M
D
D
H
N
A
I
I
I
Jan
said
she
would,
and
then
I
think
possibly
there
was
a
suggestion
that
maybe
greg
jones
might
be
interested
or
could
serve
on
that.
I
don't
know
if
greg
I
hadn't
heard
directly
from
you
so
I'll
leave
it
up
to
the
commission
on
who
they
want
to
have
representatives
on
there,
but
I
would
say
two
or
three
commissioners,
and
then
we
we
just
need
to
be
working
with
our
other
city
staff
and
other
commissions
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
I
I
So
that
would
be
my
replacement
as
the
planning
administrator
going
forward
and
so
we'll
keep
you
posted
on
that
as
we're
as
we're
going
through
our
selection
process
and
anyway,
the
development
services
department
will,
in
the
as
I
think
I
told
you
at
a
previous
meeting.
Aaron
olson
douglas
will
be
the
director
or
is
the
director
of
our
department,
I'm
the
deputy
director
and
therefore
we're
hiring
replacements
for
oed,
administrator
and
planning
administrator
in
the
department
the
department
will
consist
of
and
and
this
information
is
available
on
our
website.
I
The
development
services
department
will
consist
of
economic
development
staff,
the
permit
and
development
center
staff,
so
the
building
permits
and
building
inspections
staff
and
then
the
planning
staff,
which
includes
former
divisions
of
planning,
urban
design
and
neighborhood
planning,
and
then
the
neighborhood
services
department
will
kind
of
include
the
zoning
inspectors,
neighborhood
inspection
staff
and
our
like
our
federal
grants,
staff
going
forward.
So
that's
that's.
I
The
new
structure
of
the
two
departments
merging
community
development
and
oed,
essentially
into
into
two
different
departments,
and
we
think
that
it'll
definitely
help
with
streamlining
a
lot
of
our
reviews
and
our
boards
and
commissions
etc.
So
if
you
have
questions
about,
it
feel
free
to
email
me
or
give
me
a
call.
Thank
you.