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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting via teleconference on Thursday, August 20, 2020.
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A
Welcome
welcome.
My
name
is
I'm
chair
of
the
planet,
donate
commission,
I'll
read
the
rules
and
procedures
planned
land
and
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
the
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission.
Other
site
plans
subdivision.
A
A
B
B
C
B
B
A
Thanks
thanks
glory.
Do
we
have
any
revisions
or.
B
Do
I
have
a
motion
I'll
move
approval
of
the
minute?
This
is
story
story,
roll
call
or
vote.
B
B
F
C
D
E
Yeah
yeah
gloria:
this
is
jason
van
nistman's
planning
staff.
We
one
of
us
will
work
on
getting
roster
in
front
of
us
and
we'll
take
them
all
right.
Just
I
can
either
do
it.
If
you
can
give
me
a
second
unless,
unless
dolores
can.
F
Yes,
lisa
howard,
dane.
B
H
I
A
H
E
Okay,
I
did.
I
was
talking
about
number
one.
There,
I'm
nick
van
patten,
at
1620
southwest
mckinley
avenue
with
the.
E
Well,
yes,
I
do
have
yeah.
I
would
because
I
was
kind
of
confused
on
stuff
and
I
just
wanted
to
ask
on
some
stuff
on
there.
That
was
supposed
to
be
that
as
a
as
an
owner.
A
Across
from
there
that
I
I
was
just
wondering
about
on
some
issues
there,
I
think
it's
on
this
x
and
y
part,
which
I
didn't
quite
understand
when
they
sent
in
the
the
picture
here
it
really
doesn't
show
and
x
and
y
is
on
the
pictures
we
got.
So
I
was
kind
of
confused
on
the
whole
issue
and
mainly
it's
in
front
of
my
property
in
some
of
the
other
properties
in
front
of
the
not
on
the
other
side.
A
A
B
A
B
B
B
Okay,
anyone
on
the
commission
who
would
like
to
hear
that
item:
okay,
okay,
so
for
the
wait
yeah
for
the
consent
agenda,
then
we
are
going
to
call
number
one
and
that
leaves
the
consent
agenda
would
be
two
three
four
five.
F
Emily
webb
yeah,
yes
greg
jones
dan
freed
yeah
yeah
caleb
abstained
from
two
yes
to
the
others.
H
H
A
H
H
I'll
give
the
515-237-1778
please
please
unmute
and
give
your
own
give
your
full.
E
H
Yeah,
I
don't
know
unless
there's
a
proceed.
Procedural
question,
I
don't
know
if
we
can
let
them
speak
until
their
item
comes
up.
I
A
H
C
H
F
G
G
H
H
F
H
Okay,
so
this
is
a
re
request
from
bell
avenue
properties.
They
are
the
property
owner
of
the
property,
that's
being
developed
for
waldinger's
headquarters.
This
same
requested
action,
the
review
and
approval
of
the
preliminary
platfor
airport
industrial
park.
Platt
three
was
previously
approved,
but
because
they
under
the
code
provisions
there's
a
timeline
in
which
a
final
plot
has
to
be
filed
for
review
and
because
that
wasn't
met
they're
going
to
have
to
have
their
preliminary
plat
reconsidered.
H
That
said,
the,
and
so
the
outlet
x
and
y
are
actually
the
names
of
the
lots
of
the
property
in
airport
industrial
park,
plat
2..
They
were
able
to
proceed
with
an
approved
site
plan
and
public
improvement
plans
to
scout
trail
and
mckinley,
based
on
the
approved
preliminary
plat.
Previously,
however,
they
didn't
file
the
final
plot
to
lock
in
those
parcel
boundaries
in
in
an
in
a
time
in
which
we
would
be
able
to
move
that
to
the
city
council.
So
they've
resubmitted
it
for
consideration.
H
So
the
outlook
y
and
x
are
actually
these
two
pieces
there's
some
old
right
away,
easement
lines
that
show
up
on
the
system
here.
H
H
This
is
looking
more
northeast
from
the
end
of
the
paved
improvement
of
scout
trail.
At
the
moment,
this
is
looking
to
the
northeast
from
the
frontage
road
now
formerly
mckinley
avenue.
Southwest
mckinley
is
now
a
frontage
road
to
provide
access
for
the
homeowners
to
the
south.
H
This
is
look
looking
a
little
more
northerly
towards
the
waldinger.
You
still
don't.
You
barely
see
the
building
there
in
the
upper
hand
corner
this
is
looking
west
southwesterly,
where
veterans,
parkway
and
southwest
mckinley
come
into
southwest
63rd
or
highway
highway
28.
H
This
is
the
turn
around
at
the
end
of
that
frontage
road,
so
that
the
there's
emergency
access
can
get
in
there
turn
around
as
necessary.
H
This
is
looking
more
south
from
the
from
that
cul-de-sac.
End
of
that
frontage
road
at
the
homes.
H
That's
looking
forward
towards
the
intersection,
this
is
the
plaza
middle
again
and
it
includes
the
public
public
improvement
movement.
That's
already
already
the
aligned
alignment
of
the
street
connection.
H
H
Report
still
recommends
approval
subject
to
compliance
with
the
administrative
review
comments
of
the
preliminary
flat.
H
A
The
project's
almost
complete
overall
so,
but
it
is
more
of
a
technicality
I
guess
than
any
than
anything.
A
F
B
G
Not
really,
I
think
eric
did
a
good
job
of
describing
it
for
whatever
reason
the
final
flat
submission
was
overlooked,
and
I
suspect
some
of
that
we
did
amend
the
project
during
the
development.
To
conclude,
the
trail
that
I
think
came
before,
planning
and
zoning
as
an
accommodation
to
the
city
extending
a
trail
along
the
western
edge
that
required
a
slight
revision
of
the
right-of-way
to
accommodate
the
setback
required
by
the
city,
so
jeff
gaddis
is
on
the
line,
for
I
know
he's
available.
G
B
Okay,
thank
you.
I
see.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you,
okay,
okay,
and
so
yes,
I
mean
there
was
a
change
and
I
was
just
calling
because
our
part
there,
my
part,
is
what's
in
front
of
my
house
here
there
was
presented
the
planning
zone.
If
we
had
final
stages
that
we
had
where
to
work
with
the
baldwin
corporation,
it
was
and
on
the
frontiers
road
there
they
took
out
the
other
parts
there,
where
we
were
supposed
to
get
on
some
land.
A
A
But
anyway
you
know
that
was
what
was
proposed
at
the
first
part
when
we
were
finishing
up
and
when
I
talked
with
the
last
funding-
and
it
says
that
the
meeting's
there,
but
then
there
was
another
meeting
that
I
wasn't
aware
of
on
the
changes
that
were
made
on
some
changes.
I
guess,
but
anyway,
I'm
just
reaching
out
here
because
there's
supposed
to
be
some
issues.
I
A
E
It
wasn't,
there
was
the
first
time
the
dates
and
things
just
weren't
followed
through
on
and
the
meeting
part
on
it
so
anyway,
I'm
just
so
that
that's
what
was
that
when
we
first
had
this
project
was
going
through
on
it.
So
that's
that's.
That's
that's
what
I'm
calling
about,
because
I'm
kind
of
confused
on
some
of
the
stuff
now
here
but
anyway,
that
I
would
like
to
have
where
we
could
you.
A
A
Yeah
so
mr
lakers,
that's
already
been
approved
and
we've
we're
moving
on.
So
all
right
is
there
anyone
else
who
has
concerns
about
this
proposal.
A
G
Well,
I'll
try!
First
of
all
this
is
I
I
think
this
is
a
submission
on
the
flat
on
the
preliminary
flat,
which
is
the
same
version
that
was
submitted
and
approved.
G
So
I'm
I'm
not
not
sure
how
to
address,
but
the
question
I
heard
nick
raise
was
related
to.
I
believe
that
that
piece
of
ground
that
exists
between
old
mckinley
and
has
become
a
piece
of
grass
now,
technically
we
don't
really
I'll
say
in
a
fashion.
We
don't
really
have
much
control
over
that
piece
of
ground,
because
it's
all
within
the
right
of
way.
G
I
we
have
amended
at
the
neighbors
request
a
berm
to
raise
it.
I
think
we
relocated
trees
to
decrease
line
of
fight
to
the
property
from
drives
or
from
the
ground,
and
to
my
knowledge,
I
thought
we
had
addressed
every
written
request
now.
I
think
it's
accurate
that
it's
at
some
point
quite
quite
well.
G
G
But
I
believe
all
of
those
are
processes
that
went
through
planning
and
zoning
on
numerous
occasions
and
we
haven't
changed
those
plans.
G
J
Madam
chair,
this
is
michael
ludwig,
the
staff,
if
I
could
speak.
J
Members
of
commission,
michael
ludwig
planning
administrator.
I
believe
that,
on
the
on
the
information
that's
in
front
of
you
tonight,
the
ground
that
mr
van
patten
is
referring
to
on
the
very
south
edge
is
his
existing
city,
right-of-way,
and
so
the
waldinger
project
is
not
changing.
J
Anything
they're,
just
showing
the
existing
right-of-way
within
this
plat
or
mr
van
patten,
to
the
acquisition
of
any
excess
right-of-way
would
be
to
submit
a
request
for
vacation
of
that
in
the
access
right
away
on
the
south
side
of
basically
what
was
old,
mckinley
and
then
the
council
could
make
a
decision
on
whether
it
was
needed
for
a
public
purpose
and
then
could
convey
that
to
any
property
owners
if
they
see
fit,
and
then
mr
van
patten
could
obviously
you
know
if
he
acquired
that
could
use
it
for
landscaping
or
whatever
screening
that
he
wanted
wants
to
provide
on
the
north
edge
of
his
property
or
the
south
edge
of
the
old
mckinley
right
away.
J
Tonight's
action
does
not
vacate
that
that
right-of-way,
it
is
only
showing
that
right-of-way
as
it
exists
as
a
part
of
the
plan,
just
as
it
was
a
year
ago,
and
so
there
are
additional
steps
but
understanding
that
those
additional
steps
would
be
separate
from
this
planning
process
and
would
be
responsible
for
mr
van
patten
to
submit
a
request
for
right-of-way
vacation
on
the
south
edge
of
the
old
mckinley
right-of-way.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
I
do
see
mr
van
pat
have
a
hand
up
again.
E
Okay,
okay,
so
yeah
yeah,
because
yeah
there
were
some
changes.
I
guess
were
made
and.
A
A
They
started
working
on
everything
in
front
of
me
and,
and
I
expressed
that
went
through
it
all
so
all
right.
Well,
mike
I'm
glad
you
complained,
so
I
guess
I
I
have
nothing
to
put
the
other
property
across
the
way.
It's
just.
A
What
would
happen
in
front
there
so
because
it
was
changed
in
front
of
my
property
from
the
original
they
did
chase
again
and
made
it
bigger
than
what
was
replaced
planned
so
anyway.
So
I
was
just
changing
this.
You
know
longer
going
back
towards
west
instead
of.
A
J
A
Cause
that's
what
I
can
get
that's
right
mike,
and
I
was
told
that
at
the
time
that
there
was
at
least
half
the
three
quarters
of
the
road
to
that
right
away,
that
you
know
I
would
be
getting
and
we
had
to
talk
with
ryan
and
everybody
else,
and
all
I
mean
you
know
so
all
right.
That's
fine!
So
please
contact
or
go
through
the
process
here.
A
Yeah
yeah
nick
you
can
work
through
me
eric
wendy,
all
right,
eric
all
right
eric.
I
will
do
that
then,
because
that
was
on
top
and
that's
my
only
concern.
Otherwise
everything
else
is
fine.
Okay
and
and
the
answer
you
know
yeah,
that's
fine!
That's
that's
my
only
concern
I
had,
and
I
know
some
other
neighbors
were
confused
about
what
was
being
presented
here.
A
A
H
One
thing
this
is
eric
wendy,
just
just
to
kind
of
clarify.
This
is
actually
a
step
that
had
already
occurred.
A
And
the
development
plan
or
site
plan
already
was
approved
and
they've
gotten
permits
and
construction.
Public
improvement
improvement
plans
approved
by
city
council
and
all
this
work's
been
done.
A
You
know
create
these
new
parcels
that
were
contemplated
with
all
of
this,
so
this
is
a
necessary
step
to
get
to.
I
think
where
mr
van
pat
is
wanting
to
go.
A
Okay:
okay,
thank
you
for
the
clarity,
it's
time
to
close
the
public
hearing,
so
discussion.
F
F
F
F
C
F
A
Turning
our
attention
to
item
number
seven
now
public
hearing
item
number,
seven
bernard
represented
by
serenberg
additional
subject:
property
is
owned
by
necklace
salmon,
barbara
orr,
kimberly,
howland
and
carol
shields
location,
6014,
5907,
5911,
5917,
southeast
8th
street
and
801
heart
avenue
with
part
a
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
resonating
performance
would
plan
esm.
A
Our
tomorrow
complement
the
plan
b.
Amendment
plan
dsm
creating
our
small
comprehensive
plan,
the
revised
of
future
landing
classification
from
low
density
residential
within
a
regional
node,
the
community
mixed
use
within
a
regional
node,
rc
review
and
approval
of
a
large-scale
development
plan
for
expansion,
who's.
Just
the
20.8
acre
site
for
retail
sales,
large
format,
youth
and
part
d,
retail
property
from
m3a
neighborhood
district
at
mx3.
A
Yes,
yes,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
bert
ross
planner
for
the
city
of
des
moines.
The
item
before
you
is
a
request
from
menard
to
bring
zone
four
single-family
residential
properties
immediately
to
their
west,
so
that
they
could
do
a
an
expansion
there
on
the
rear
side
of
their
property.
A
Since
the
rezoning
is
for
more
than
five
acres,
they
were
required
to
do
a
large-scale
development
plan,
and
that
is
what
is
in
front
of
you
right
now.
You
can
see
from
their
large
scale
development
plan
the
changes
that
they're
proposing
are
showing
up
in
red.
So
here
at
the
southwest
corner
of
the
site,
where
they
would
be
removing
those
four
houses,
they
would
be
constructing
a
new
accessory
structure.
A
They
would
also
be
maintaining
the
existing
14
foot
tall
wall
and
constructing
the
new
wall
where
necessary.
The
elevations
that
they've
submitted
demonstrate
that
the
additions
and
walls
would
be
constructed
with
the
same
materials
that
are
there
today.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
were
on
the
commission
about
12
years
ago.
They
went
through
a
similar
request
that
this,
when
they
did
an
expansion
of
the
garden
center
to
the
north.
A
A
And
then
these
are
some
other
homes
on
southeast
8th
street
that
back
up
to
the
existing
menard
facility,
and
you
have
to
look
pretty
closely
to
actually
see
the
menards
facility.
They
did
a
good
job,
constructing
it
so
that
it
has
fewer
impacts
on
the
neighbors
and
then
I'm
going
to
show
you
some
site
photos.
This
is
the
garden
center,
where
they
expanded
10
years
ago
to
the
north,
the
more
photos
taken
throughout
the
site.
This
is
on
the
south
side
of
the
building,
where
they
would
be
reconstructing
your
customer.
A
We
felt
that
those
did
a
good
job
at
protecting
the
neighborhood
read
through
those
right
now.
The
first
condition
was
that
the
development
must
provide
a
100-foot
setback
from
the
westerly
property
line,
and
we
said
that
this
setback
shall
fully
comply
with
the
buffer
requirements
for
the
heavy
buffer
requirements
and
landscaping
standards.
A
You
remember
on
the
large
scale
development
plan.
They
were
only
proposing
a
54-foot
setback,
so
this
will
be
a
point
of
discussion
tonight
for
staff
recommending
that
100-foot
setbacks
from
the
westerly
property
line
and
they're
running
a
54-foot
fx
number
two
is
retaining
that
existing
55-foot
setback
belongs
to
northerly
property
line
condition.
Number
three:
we've
said
that
any
commercial
development
shall
be
screened
with
a
14
foot
tall,
solid
wall
that
is
set
back
at
least
100
feet
from
west
building
property
line
and
at
least
55
feet
from
the
northerly
property
line.
A
A
Number
six,
any
use
of
the
property
for
a
bar
or
liquor
store
shall
be
prohibited
number
seven.
Any
commercial
use
of
the
property
should
be
in
conformance
with
the
approved
site
plan
number
eight,
any
commercial
expansion
of
the
property
shall
be
subject
to
the
entire
commercial
developments
being
brought
into
conformance
with
the
current
stormwater
management
requirement.
A
I
A
A
Well,
paul
burke
is
a
great:
can
you
bring
back
up
the
site
plan?
A
I
do
have
a
question.
I
was
trying
to
look
at
this
on
google
so
where
they
show
that
dimension
of
53
feet,
four.
A
A
A
A
Yeah,
but
I
guess
one
of
the
reasons
we
were
recommending,
that
is,
since
it's
still
going
to
remain
residential,
that
with
those
four
houses
missing,
it
would
still
be
better
to
have
the
commercial
you
set
back
at
least
100
feet
just
to
preserve
that
residential
character
of
the
debris.
I
get
what
you're
saying
that,
even
with
his
53
foot
setback,
property
line,
it'd
still
be
a
hundred
feet
for
many
houses,
but
I
guess
from
a
character
standpoint
we
were
running
it
set
back
even.
C
A
A
Any
other
questions
for
bert
at
this
time
is
the
applicant
online
yeah
yeah.
Please
take
your
name
and
address.
Please.
A
Hi,
can
everyone
hear
me
all
right?
Nick
brenner,
5101
menard
drive
eau
claire
wisconsin
54703,
I'm
a
real
estate
representative
for
this
project.
I
guess
you
want
a
few
just
to
start
off
with
a
quick
overview
of
the
project
and
I
can
dive
into
some
more
of
the
discussion.
That's
occurred
already.
B
A
Okay,
so
this
expansion
that
we're
doing
here
is
what
I
refer
to
our
competition
with
online
retail
expansion.
Everything
we're
doing
here
is
an
effort
to
compete
against
online
retailing.
You
know
amazon
and
the
likes
like
that
by
having
a
more
convenient
shop
at
menards
with
online
retailers,
you
know
spending
more
than
two
days
less
now
it's
becoming
more
and
important
to
make
sure
that
it
shop
at
the
store
you've
seen
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
other
retailers
like
walmart
and
target
add
on
to
their
stores.
A
You
know
the
the
grocery
pick
up
things
like
that
in
an
effort
to
do
the
same
thing
that
we're
trying
to
do
here.
This
expansion.
Here
we
have
rolled
out
to
almost
everything
on
one
of
our
stores.
Already,
you
know
we
have
probably
about
20
stores
left
out
of
you
know
over
300
that
doesn't
have
it.
This
is
one
of
them,
so
we
are
hoping
with
this
expansion
to
bring
this
up
to
our
current
prototype
and
allow
this
store
to
have
the
same
service
that
our
options
do
so.
A
The
biggest
thing
here
is
our
online
order.
Pickup
area,
that
is
the
rear.
Overhang
on
menard
store
itself.
This
is
right
now
used
for
storage,
and
what
we
are
proposing
to
do
is
to
enclose
it,
make
it
climate
control
and
what
happens
is
when
you
order
something
online
or
something
special
order
in
store.
A
It
gets
shipped
to
the
back
portion
of
the
door
and
you
just
go
straight
to
it
when
you
want
to
come
pick
it
up
through
the
yard
gate
and
you
load
it
up,
and
you
can
take
an
over
to
the
door,
making
it
much
quicker
and
more
convenient.
A
Also,
the
reason
why
we're
adding
the
third
lane
onto
the
gate,
that's
an
area
where
you
can
just
scan
your
proceeds.
You
don't
have
to
wait
for
the
gate
attendant
they'll,
let
you
in
so
again
speeding
up
the
process
in
order
to
fit
that
special
order
area
all
that
material
that
is
being
stored.
There
today
needs
to
move
out,
and
that
is
why
we
are
proposing
this
second
accessory
building.
A
There
is
a
a
lumber
rack
that
is
being
removed
and
moved
into
this
warehouse,
and
also
all
that
merchandise.
Special
water
area
is
being
moved
out
there
as
well.
So
that
is
what
causes
the
size
of
this
thing.
We
need
a
certain
area
of
this
warehouse
in
order
to
make
all
this
work.
That
is
what
we
have
proposed
here
today.
A
The
other
thing
to
note
as
well
is
building
code,
requires
this
building
to
be
60
feet
off
the
menard
store
right
now,
we're
sitting
at
about
60
and
a
half
feet.
So
this
new
accessory
building
is
a
close
susan,
menard
storage,
pod
and
go-
and
I
guess
you
know,
in
terms
of
placement
and
how
all
this
stuff
worked
out.
We
understand
there's
100
foot
step
back
there
today.
You
know
we
understood
that
we
could
have
came
in
here
and
proposed.
A
You
know
a
long
tent
warehouse
similar
to
the
one
existing
today
in
that
hundred
foot
setback
and
asked
for
the
panic
mission
city
for
a
reduction
in
that
hundred
feet.
We
decided
not
to
do
that.
We
decided
to
try
and
strike
deal
with
the
neighbors
here
to
try
and
maintain
that
buffer
as
best
as
we
could.
It
is
the
more
difficult
route,
it's
the
longer
route,
more
expensive
route,
but
it
is
the
route
that
we
thought
was
best
served
for
the
community
in
this
neighborhood.
A
So
that
is
the
route
that
we
have
decided
to
go.
I
also
want
to
know
we
did
try
to
buy
another
property
or
two
to
the
north
to
try
and
get
this
building
more
more
straight
and
keep
it
away
from
the
western
property
line.
Unfortunately,
the
next
neighborhood
northwest
is
selling
so
to
adapt
to
make
it
work
with
the
core
properties
that
we
have
under
contract
going
through
the
conditions
and
the
staff
report.
A
I
don't
have
any
issues
with
any
of
them.
We
are
going
to
landscape
this
thing,
we're
going
to
comply
with
all
of
the
requirements
and
we
are
going
to
probably
adding
more
truth
than
what's
required.
We
want
this
to
be
a
nice
area
for
the
neighborhood,
and
you
know
the
one
comment.
The
staff
comment
that
we,
unfortunately
I
cannot
agree
to
at
this
time-
is
the
setback
to
the
western
property
line.
As
I
stated,
you
know,
we
need
a
certain
size
warehouse
to
make
all
this
work.
A
We
cannot
move
it
any
closer
to
the
store
because
it
built
the
road,
so
the
location
of
this,
essentially
where
it
needs
to
be.
We
are
over
100
feet
away
from
the
property
located
at
739
parch,
the
next
property
in
the
southwest
corner
of
our
warehouse.
A
When
you
talk
about
the
road
that
was
going
to
be
one
of
the
points
that
I
brought
up,
we're
53
feet
off
the
right-of-way
line,
if
you
measure
from
the
back
of
the
warehouse
to
the
actual
road
itself
for
about
75
feet
and
it's
about
a
50
foot
right
away,
so
we're
over
103
feet
to
the
closest
property
across
the
street.
As
it's
been
mentioned
today,
the
warehouse
will
be
no
further
or
no
closer
to
the
street
than
the
existing
houses
are
today.
A
So
when
you
look
at
those
houses,
those
will
be
yes,
they
will
go
away,
but
you
will
have
more
green
space
than
you
did
before
and
more
trees.
We
are
proposing
to
leave
every
tree
existing
today
in
front
of
those
houses
as
they
are
today,
so
those
bigger
trees
in
the
front
that
are
right
along
the
right
away
will
stay
and
we'll
add
more
landscaping
of
lamenting
those.
A
The
one
area
that
I
would
also
ask
for
a
little
bit
of
leniency,
too,
is
a
90-foot
step
back
north.
We
are
buying
this
property,
the
northernmost
property.
We
are
proposing
not
to
put
any
improvements
on
that
property.
We
are
buying
that
solely
for
the
setback
itself
and
again,
if
I
could
get
that
extra
property
to
the
north,
I
could
help
maintain
300
feet
but,
of
course,
not
willing
to
sell,
and
he
was
okay
and
content
being
there.
A
You
expansion
coming
on,
so
I'm
asking
for
a
little
bit
of
the
10
feet
there
as
well,
and
we
will
continue
to
landscape
that
and
make
sure
that
that
experience
as
you
remain
in
that
location
and
then
I
guess
the
one
of
the
final
things
I
know
on
the
comments
from
the
citizen
in
the
neighborhood
one
of
the
biggest
things.
That's
been
noise
for
this
facility
and
the
worry
behind
that
this
warehouse
building
that
we're
putting
in
is
29
feet
tall.
It's
going
to
have
a
wood
bag
to
match
everything.
A
Our
experience
when
we
put
these
buildings
in
it
does
a
great
wonder,
keeping
both
noise
and
light
and
pain
within
that
yard.
It's
probably
actually
going
to
be
better
than
it
is
today
right
right
now,
today
we
have
a
14
foot
offense
that
helps
immensely,
but
when
you
put
that
big
building
there,
it's
up
really
quick,
though
so
I
do
think
noise
will
be
pretty
minimal
when
it's
all
said
and
done.
B
Okay,
I'm
not.
A
A
B
K
K
A
All
right
sorry
figured
it
out.
Yes,
I
I
am
in
favor
if
to
use
the
setbacks
that
we
have
on
this
plan
that
is
going
to
work
for
us.
So
if
that
is
the
recommendation
to
move
forward
with
the
specific
setbacks
were
shown
so
90
feet
to
that
one
northern
property
and
then
the
53
to
the
right
away.
I
think
we
are
completely
okay
with.
J
A
F
B
E
Members
of
the
commission,
jason
vanessa,
with
the
city's
playing
staff
I'll
show
you
that
map
here
in
a
second.
If
I
get
my
computer
to
cooperate
here
there,
we
go
ariel
identifying
the
subject:
property,
a
triangle
shaped
spot
with
brownie
giant,
kiyosaka,
12th
street
and
then
crocker
street
to
the
north.
The
building
footprint
encompasses
most
of
the
site
with
a
little
bit
of
available
land
to
the
west.
E
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
renovate
the
building,
converting
it
to
multiple
tenant
spaces
and
including
the
dwelling
unit
site
plans
included
in
your
packet
building.
Elevations
I'll
go
ahead
and
run
through
them
talk
generally
about
the
project,
and
then
we
can
circle
back
to
focus
on
the
type
two
of
relief.
E
Demolition
plans
showing
what's
coming
out,
you
can
make
out
by
the
crosshatch
as
the
concrete
is
coming
out
for
some
bump
outs
on
the
north
part
curbline.
E
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
skip
forward
to
the
landscaping
plan,
because
I
think
that
might
be
the
easiest
to
read
and
get
a
sense
of
what
they're
doing
you
see
that
the
this
area
over
here
is
the
patio
space
trash
enclosure
with
access
doors
that
open
up
onto
the
sidewalk.
E
E
I
always
always
like
to
point
out
with
these
type
2
requests
that
we
always
include
in
in
the
staff
report
the
criteria
in
the
code
of
how
we're
supposed
to
go
about
reviewing
these
requests
and
the
criteria
for
granting
them
looking
at
character.
Looking
at
the
specific
situation
of
the
area,
that's
there
for
reference,
so
circling
back
to
the
at
the
heading.
E
E
They
were
showing
the
landscaping
plant
feds
with
the
ornamental
grass
the
comments
that
they
received
the
direction
that
they're
getting
from
staff
is
that
the
curb
line
adjusted.
E
I
saw
in
the
demolition
plan
that
the
curb
is
coming
out,
so
we've
requested
that
they
provide
a
12
foot
width,
so
move
the
curve
a
little
bit
to
the
east
and
that
would
allow
for
the
curved
line.
So
that's
the
first
part
of
the
and
then
as
as
we're
talking
about
12th
street
staff
has
also
directed
them
to
do
a
bump
out
at
the
intersection
at
12
yeo.
E
E
The
other
part
when
you,
when
you
saw
the
landscaping
plan,
I
pointed
out
the
enclosure
for
the
trash,
but
normally
our
requirements
in
chapter
135
would
require
that
to
be
set
back
for
the.
E
E
If
the
commission
would
like
to
look
at
a
little
closer,
I
certainly
can
go
back
to
it,
but
I
don't
want
to
go
in
too
much
depth,
but
there
are
there's
challenges
great
here.
There's
challenges
with
not
having
a
lot
of
open
space
on
site
to
position.
The
enclosure
elsewhere.
They're
all
they're,
also
trying
hard
to
have
a
functional
patio
space
for
potential
tenants
of
the
building,
and
we
support
the
request
for
waiver
as
it
relates
to
the
enclosure
requirements,
fun
parking.
E
If
you
look
closely,
you
should
be
able
to
see
the
zoning
district
labels.
The
site
is
zoned
mx2,
but
across
the
street
is
cxview,
which
is
our
downtown
destination.
This
whole
area
on
this
map
is
actually
on
the
future.
Land
use
map
designated
downtown,
so
the
character,
the
area
and
the
long-term
thought,
I
believe,
are
of
the
downtown
character.
E
E
Of
the
request,
the
appscan
is
proposing
to
underground
the
utility
utility
lines
along
12th
street,
but
his
request
to
waiver
that
requirement
along
crocker
street
and
there's
the
middle.
They
did
provide
an
estimate
or
an
email
from
mid-american
that
suggested
it
to
do.
The
work
on
crocker
would
cost
250
thousand
dollars,
but
we
didn't
have
staff.
We
didn't
have
any
context
for
that.
E
With
regard
to
what
kind
of
impact
that
has
on
the
budget,
what
other
potential
physical
strengths
there
are
in
the
area
you
know,
are
there.
A
Other
you
know
these
are.
E
These
feeder
lines,
for
example,
that
maybe
serve
multiple
sites
or
a
large
area.
We
just
need
a
little
bit
more
information.
Without
that
we
can't
support
the
relief
request.
Okay,
summarize,
the
staff
recommendation
I'll
go
ahead
and
pull
it
up
here.
E
Recommending
denial,
the
waiver
of
the
sidewalk
width
for
12th
street
for
recommending
denial
of
the
request
to
waive
the
bump
out
requirement
at
key
on
12..
E
We
are
recommending
approval
waiver
of
the
crash
enclosure
requirements,
recommending
approval
of
waving
the
parking
environment
and
then
recommending
denial
of
the
undergrounding
request
for
a
loan
cracker
speed,
and
then
we
also
always
include
the
bottom
part
where
the
public
hearing
play
plan,
we
just
will
recommend
approval.
That
is
subject
to
the
plan
being
updated
to
comply
with
anything
that
comes
out
of
this
meeting
in
action
on
the
type
2
request
and
the
other
administrative
comments
that
might
come
up.
I
do
have
one
more
slide:
let's
speak
about
this.
E
E
E
A
F
Worked
together
on
one
phone-
and
I
don't
think
I
said
that
when
I
first
registered
him,
but
our
address
is
one
zero.
Three
one
seventh
street
in
western
I'm
at
work.
F
And
the
commission
members
we're
super
excited
about
the
project
it
will
be
owner
occupied
with
our
office
of
fair.
As
you
can
see,
it's
been
a
very
challenging
site
to
work
with
an
historic
building,
but
it
filled
most
of
the
blocks
and
it
sat
underdeveloped
for
a
decade.
I
think
because
of
a
challenging
financial
burden-
and
I
guess,
responding
to
the
question
about
the
mid-american
quotes
for
230
330
000
those
lines,
none
of
them
serve
our
building.
They
all
do
traverse
the
site.
F
A
And
I
think
the
other
thing
you
have
to
know
just
that.
You
know
we
talked
to
mid-american
back
in
february
and
at
that
time
they
said,
you
know,
wait
a
minute.
None
of
these
utilities.
You
know
mine,
are
yours,
they're
all
connecting
the
neighbors,
so
they
didn't
think
it
was
reasonable
for
us
to
pay
for
that
time.
So
we
kind
of
put
this
off.
You
know
when
we
talk
to
the
city-
and
you
know
mention
that
they
said
well.
A
Maybe
you
can
have
the
city
pay
for
it,
so
that
was
kind
of
where
we
left
it
at
that
point,
but
as
far
as
the
financial
it
would
it
just
wouldn't
make
the
project
viable,
but
that
that's
the
main
thing
on
the
utility
line.
I
mean
we
loved.
Having
her,
I
mean,
there's,
no
doubt
you
know
it's
just
you
know
this.
This
is
already
a
a
very
challenging.
You
know
financially
to
make
this
project
work.
I
think
our
budget
ballooned
up
so
I
think
we're
at
5.8
million
right
now.
A
F
B
A
Bump
out
at
fault
and
eo,
we
understand
the
channelizing
of
storm
water
and
the
floating
island
concept.
A
So
what
we
would
have
to
do
is
move
the
curb
line
and
then
transition
it
back
to
the
existing
urban
fake
location.
So
you
have
kind
of
this
variable
in
and
out
curbline
condition
and
then
the
floating
island
and
then
and
then
further
the
bump
out,
doesn't
really
really
serve.
In
our
opinion,
any
safety
purpose
at
this
location
there's
no
pedestrian
crossing.
So
we're
not
shortening.
A
A
No
pump
outs
added,
we
are
adding
bump
outs
everywhere,
beat
the
ball
on
the
north
side
of
the
project,
then
on
12th
street,
currently
at
crocker
and
12th,
and
that
does
the
pedestrian
experience
and
a
bump
up
at
this
location
would
negatively
impact
the
parking
and,
as
was
previously
stated,
it's
sort
of
at
a
premium,
but
still
downtown
area,
not
a
lot
of
places
to
park
and
with
the
tenant
space
here
you
know
maybe
benefiting
from
public
use.
F
Type
2
design
alternatives
that
we
propose,
so
I
don't
think
they
are
recommending
approval.
Oh.
F
D
A
A
Madam
chair,
we
need
to
get
dylan
his
business
or
home
address
for
the
record.
Okay,
if
you
don't
your
home
address
or
an
address.
This
is
dylan
jones
genius,
landscape.
Architect,
I
will
give
my
business
address.
Genus
is
located
at
325
east
fifth
street
des
moines,
iowa,
five,
zero,
three,
zero,
nine.
What.
A
A
I
A
The
light
that
follows
the
exit
from
the
from
the
interstate
235,
and
this
is
the
only
chance
that
people
get
to
cross
the
street
so
having
a
bump
up
there
will
suddenly
assist
with
and
then
maybe
you
won't
be
crossing
the
street
in
a
state
of
manner.
I
can
tell
you
that
myself
without
any
disabilities,
I
have
to
run
across
the
street
when
I
have
the
red
light
in
my
favor,
so
a
bump
out
what
will
definitely
help.
A
In
addition
to
that,
I
feel,
like
the
staff
has
shown
flexibility
with
waving
any
parking
requirements
which
provides
some
additional
financial
gain
and
thus
some
of
the
other
recommendations
from
staff
such
as
denying
the
request
for
for
the
less
than
12
feet
of
sidewalk.
A
You
know
I
think
we
can
make
some
some
comments,
support
that
recommendation,
as
well,
especially
with
the
removal
of
the
curve,
already
takes
place.
And,
lastly,
I
think,
if
we've
learned
anything
from
the
last
week
that
we
need
to
have
all
of
our
utilities
undergrounded
and
that's
why
I
will
be
supporting
the
staff
recommendation
today.
If
those
are
those
are
my
comments.
Thank
you.
J
A
Do
not
think
they
should
require
bury
the
overhead
utilities
on
crocker
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
I
do
agree
with
you
on
supporting
staff
on
the
bump
out
in
the
salt
street.
A
Yeah,
I
I'm
not
willing
to
amend
that
promotion
based
on
the
prior
developments
across
downtown.
A
lot
of
people
have
the
same
challenge
to
deal
with
undergrounding
utilities.
Yes,
they
find
a
way
to
get
it
done,
and
it's,
as
I
mentioned,
based
on
the
especially
the
recent
events
that
have
taken
place,
the
faster
we
move
towards
underground
in
utilities
across
town,
the
better
of
the
system
we're
going
to
have
as
far
as
being
resilient
through
you
know,
weather
and
patterns
that
are
changing.
A
So
I
would
remain
with
the
what
the
staff
recommendation
as
it
is:
okay,
and
and
also
want
to
point
out
that,
based
on
the
budget
for
this
project,
we're
talking
about
less
than
five
percent.