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From YouTube: 4-16-20 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting via teleconference on Thursday, April 16, 2020.
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A
Was
curious:
what
was
the
reason
that
he's?
No,
she
didn't
receive
the
notice
we
sent
the
mail
they
didn't
attend.
The
meeting
we
did
have
I
will
say
we
did
have
some.
We
had
to
change
the
meeting
because
of
the
coab
in
nineteen.
We
were
originally
intended
on
going
to
the
public
library.
We
had
to
change
that
meeting.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
they
were
aware
of
that
change,
we
actually
went
down
and
posted
notices
on
all
the
doors
a
day
or
two
before
the
meeting,
because
we
had
to
change
it
last
minute.
A
G
G
C
C
B
C
G
C
C
C
A
F
C
B
B
C
B
H
B
I
A
C
C
A
Does
it
the
alley
axis?
Does
it
make
a
big
deal
to
me
other
than
I
think
there
is
a
little
bit
better
result
long
term
with
alley
with
garages
making
the
street
I
think
has
a
better
appearance
from
the
street,
but
I
do
understand
the
neighbors
concerns
so
I'm
sure
there's
a
way
with
that
we
can
design
it
with
garages
in
the
front.
So
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
doesn't
really
matter
to
me
whether
the
road
side
or
street
side
entrance
or
alleyway
entrance.
B
Cheers
this
is
Michael
letzig
planning
administrator
for
the
city.
It's
very
clear
that
our
zoning
code
would
want
the
driveways
or
the
garages
on
the
back
of
the
building.
I
do
think
there
are
probably
options
on
this
site
tonight.
It's
just
a
rezoning
of
the
property.
They
would
still
need
to
submit
a
site
plan
and
I
do
believe
that
there's
opportunity
to
potentially
have
right
on
the
subject
property,
not
on
the
alley
right-of-way
that
would
serve
driveways
on
the
back
sides
of
the
building
as
well.
B
It
is
a
fairly
a
parcel
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
to
have
the
unit's
fronting
up
close
to
Vale
Street
and
still
either
use
the
alley
or
a
private
diary
Drive
on
the
subject
property
to
access
the
garages.
Thank
you
Mike.
It's
well
here.
I
have
a
question
about
number
two.
It
says
the
same
development
that
utilizes
the
adjoining
alleys
will
improve
the
la
the
satisfaction
of
the
city
engineer.
What
is
your
thinking
along?
That
line?
Are
you
thinking
that
that's
hard
surface
or
but
yes,
it
would
need
to
be
a
hard
surface
drive.
F
Hello,
this
is
Greg
watching
a
board
member,
so
discussion
within
the
board
I
think
realize
the
Mike
nailed
it
on
the
head.
I.
Think
really.
The
topic
tonight
about
density
I
forgot
the
exact
number
but
I
think
the
African
was
showing
12
units,
maybe
if
they
did
both
buildings
so
I.
Think
that's
really.
The
question
is
row
house
development
on
Dale
and
as
opposed
to
be
tickler
in
and
out
I.
F
F
F
You
know
the
architecture
and
the
site,
planning
I
think
we
could
dig
into
deeper
when
it
comes
back
through
and
I
also
appreciate
the
idea
of
row
houses
along
bail
as
opposed
to
row,
houses
along,
say,
7th
and
the
other
direction
of
the
street
I
think
this
concept
makes
sense
going
in
the
orientation.
It
is.
B
F
F
You
know
I
remember
going
through
this
on
a
prize
not
long
ago
with
all
of
you
in
off
of
Ingersoll,
and
you
know.
The
last
thing
we
want
is
12
garage
doors
on
unbale
Street
with
sidewalks
and
kids
did
bikes.
I
realized
the
the
historic
pattern
over
many
years
has
been
to
use
that
space
for
kids
and
bikes,
but
but
it
is
a
public
right
away
alley
and
I.
Think
that
makes
sense.
I
think
I'd
be
inclined
to
leave
it,
as
staff
has
said,
but
I
could
maybe
get
talked
out
of
it.
C
B
H
B
C
A
A
B
J
C
30
located
at
2700,
the
subject
properties
are
owned
by
elegant,
raised
Lake
of
the
a
determination
as
to
whether
the
request
to
use
the
special
plan
amendment,
in
conformance
with
the
plans
VSM
creating
our
tomorrow
comprehensive
plan
and
C.
First
amendment
to
the
village
at
Gray's
lake
beauty,
fine.
Last
five
of
the
plan
to
be
developed
with
23-story
row
building
ice,
al
Eric.
E
Former
campus
at
Bell,
Avenue
and
Bloor
Drive
appear
in
the
northeast
corner.
The
subject
area.
That's
really
in
question
is
an
undeveloped
portion
of
the
overall
campus.
There
used
to
be
dormitories
tears
that
there
was
fire
and
those
have
been
demolished
in
the
last
couple
of
years
of
these
garage
units
still
exist
there,
but
when.
B
E
E
E
E
West
quickly,
so
that
most
for
the
most
part,
everything
kind
of
drains
Northwest
they're,
proposing
the
landscape
heavily
around
the
state.
If
you
zoom
in
at
this
area,
they
are
showing
a
what's
called
a
front
frontage
buffer
along
this
area,
which
would
screen
vehicles
that
would
be
parking
in
that
area.
E
B
E
E
Materials
along
here
this
is
shown
as
a
durable
type
material.
We
would
want
that
to
wrap
around
the
whole
building.
If
you
look
at
the
elevations
them
sell,
they
have
these
areas
in
between
the
doors
that
are
not
shown.
The
durable
material
staff
would
want
to
see
that
be
the
same
material.
That's
going
around
the
entire
first
floor
of
these
building.
E
The
other
piece
of
it
is.
We
would
want
to
see
track
transparency
on
these
end
units
that
face
bluer
to
be
more
in
line
with
the
requirements
that
we
would
have
for
our
building
types
in
our
new
code
and
have
a
facade
oriented
towards
lures
that
is
more
appropriate
and
doesn't
have
the
blank
wall
being
shown
here
and
again
I'll.
Let
them
speak
to
that,
so
those
are
kind
of
the
main
concerns
from
an
architectural
standpoint.
E
B
E
H
E
That
includes
a
mix
of
commercial
within
the
campus.
There's
going
to
be
this
Huestis
residential
office,
commercial
news
that
we
believe
it's
consistent
with
that
as
part
of
the
overall
PUD,
we
do
recommend
approval
of
the
PUD
conceptual
plan
subject
to
the
requirements
for
five.
You
know
final
Mylar
documentation
with
the
addition
of
a
statement.
E
Landscaping
requirements
should
be
indicated,
listing
standards,
reflective
of
the
conceptually
shown
landscaping,
which
I
think
is
actually
an
excess
of
what
the
original
piece
was
approved,
which
would
have
indicated
situ
landscaping
but
I
think
they're,
showing
a
beefier
amount
of
overstory
trees,
which
were
supportive
of.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
their
standards
reflect
that.
E
Then
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
following
notes
are
placed
on
the
conceptual
plan:
street
trees,
spaced
30
feet,
apart
from
the
right
away
on
long
beach,
frontage
trees,
no
closer
than
15
feet
to
it,
to
a
streetlight
perimeter.
Landscaping
again.
That
was
the
area
there
we
saw
in
the
park
the
guest
parking
area.
We
want
to
make
sure
it's
either.
E
B
E
E
We
want
that
provided
in
the
street.
We
don't
we
don't
that
want
that
provided
on
any
street
side
yard
and
it
should
be
set
back
at
least
15
feet
behind
the
front
facade
of
the
closest
facade
to
lure.
Basically,
any
mechanical
equipment
interior
shall
be
softened
with
landscaping
material
outside
any
equipment
clearance
that
backs
making
sure
that
we're
not
violating
any
codes
for
the
mechanical
code.
Mechanical
things
shall
not
protrude
from
any
street
facing
facade
off
of
any
building
a
minimum
of
a
5
foot.
E
Sidewalk
is
required
along
each
frontage,
which
I
believe
will
either
happen
with
project
or
with
a
future
Street
project
for
for
upcoming,
and
then
we
do
want
for
them
to
identify
that
the
provision
of
either
indoor
covers
bike
parking
amenity.
We
want
to
make
sure
easements
are
provided
for
shared
vehicle,
pedestrian
ingress
egress
between
sites
to
the
public
sidewalk,
and
that
includes
within
within
between
sites
within
the
whole
community.
So
there
needs
to
be
the
thought
of.
E
The
PUD,
not
just
within
this
site,
specifically
direct
light
trespass
beyond
property
lines,
was
prohibited.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
they're
giving
us
a
lighting
plan
that
demonstrates
they're,
not
billing,
light
onto
other
properties
that
surround
them.
We
want
to
final
the
element
plan
to
discuss
that
any
final
development
plan
that
they
bring
forward.
E
We
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
identifying
how
they're
going
to
deal
with
trash
removal,
if
that,
through
individual
households
or
if
they're,
going
to
have
a
common
collection
point,
they
need
to
identify
that
on
any
final
development
plan
we
want
to
provide
or
bike
fencing.
We
require
what
the
standards
are
for:
site,
fencing
and
walls
to
include
the
maximum
height
design
material,
fencing
in
front
of
in
the
front
yard
between
the
road.
E
E
We
want
them
to
show
Stone
material
wrapped
around
360
degrees
of
the
building,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
main
story.
Left
level
was
the
door
opening
and
window
opening.
We
want
to
show
end
unit
elevations
for
facades
of
units
closest
to
floor
with
separate
pedestrian
entrance,
either
from
the
garage
or
the
unit
that
would
have
a
walkway
to
the
private
drive.
The
clearance
should
be
identified,
find
with
the
design
appropriate
awning
or
cover.
E
So
we
want
some
element
over
that
door
facing
floor
to
give
it
a
dominant
feature
as
an
entrance,
and
then
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they're,
showing
a
minimum
12%
transparency
on
the
side
of
the
lower
garage
floor
ends
of
the
building
oriented
toward
floor.
I.
Do
want
to
point
out
that
the
tax
abatement
requirements
may
require
a
higher
percentage
for
them
to
be
able
to
get
past
abatement.
B
E
B
What
I
mean
I?
It
would
be
very
helpful
for
me
actually
to
be
able
to
see
the
cards
beforehand
or
actually
to
give
the
respondents
the
courtesy
of
having
a
chance
to
look
at
them
more
carefully.
Is
there
any
way
that
the
car
could
be
scanned
and
emailed
out
to
the
commissioners?
You
know,
even
during
that,
the
day
at
the
time
of
the
meeting
itself,
can
you
unmute.
E
C
Will
we've
spoken
about
this
and
at
this
time
it's
our
position
that
the
currents
needs
to
come
in
at
the
time
of
the
hearing
we
don't
want
to
give.
We
don't
want
to
give
any
any
party
preference
over
another
by
giving
those
in
advance
of
the
hearing.
So
that's
not
something
that
we
are
doing
at
this
time.
We
just
speak
about
it.
If
that
changes,
we
can
look
into
it
further,
but
we
have.
We
have
considered
this
and
decided
that
it
was
just
not
something
that
would
be
appropriate,
given
due
process
considerations.
C
B
Thank
you,
you
know
for
raising
the
question
and
having
a
good
discussion
of
cleanser
will
also.
If
I
could
add,
cards
can
still
come
in
up
until
the
City
Council
hearing
on
rezoning
zazz.
Well,
so
it's
really
up
until
the
council
milling
where
those
written
cards
impact
the
percentage
calculations
of
support
or
opposition.
So
there
may
be
even
more
cards
to
come
in
than
you
would
see.
When
you
considered
the
item,
I
see
and
City
Council.
B
We
put
the
cards
well.
First
of
all,
they
get
all
of
the
cards
that
are
in
at
the
time
that
the
packets
go
out.
If
your
letter
from
the
Commission,
sometimes
additional
ones,
come
in
at
the
meeting
themselves.
So
as
long
as
they
come
in
before
the
council
closes
the
hearing,
that's
that's
accepted
Thanks.
B
E
B
B
C
G
C
C
Requests
from
MD
Dre's
multi-family,
represented
by
Alexander
burgers
for
review
and
approval
of
the
design
alternative
plan
in
accordance
with
chapter
135,
section
135,
nine
point
to
point
or
and
135
9.1
be
waive
the
minimum
requirement
for
spacing
of
inferences
on
the
University
Avenue
primary
friended
to
waive
the
minimum
number
of
required
three
parking
spaces
for
property
located
at
2530.
University
Avenue
also
allows
development
of
the
property
with
four
stories:
mixed
use,
building
with
103
a
whole
unit
and
6000
square
feet
ground
floor
retail
office.
You
might.
A
F
B
B
Sorry
but
she
remembers
our
commission,
my
calebrage
planning,
administrator
Felicity
of
Des
Moines
before
you.
It's
a
little
aerial
photo
show
on
the
site,
location
located
at
the
southeast
corner
of
26th
Street
and
University
Avenue.
As
you'll
recall
a
few
months
ago.
You
did
rezone
this
property
to
mx2
building
and
you
also
recommended
approval
of
vacation
of
the
alley
that
is
running
between
this
property
in
the
former
First
Christian
Church
site.
That
alley
has
not
been
vacated
by
the
City
Council.
B
Yet
it
is
scheduled
for
an
upcoming
council
meeting
consideration
of
vacation
and
conveyance
to
the
applicant
real
quickly
site
shots.
This
screenshot
is
taken
from
University
Avenue,
just
the
corner
north
edge
of
the
site.
Looking
towards
the
First
Christian
Church,
our
First
Christian
Church,
the.
B
B
On
this
site,
you'll
see
that
the
landscape
plan,
rendering
there's
a
couple
things
to
point
out
here.
First
of
all,
the
request
is
relief
to
the
separation
distance.
Between
always
on
University
run,
each
one
of
the
doors
is
located
where
the
arrow
is
shown
here.
The
other
is
located
approximately
here
under
the
new
code.
It
requires
those
doors
to
be
code,
States
45
feet
separation
under
a
type-1
design
alternate,
which
would
be
a
staff
administrative
review.
B
We
could
vary
that
by
30%,
which
will
take
up
to
almost
59
feet
these
doors
norway's
exceed
that
separation
requirement,
so
it
automatically
kicked
this
into
a
type
2
design.
Alternative
separation
of
the
doorways
in
the
staff
report.
I'll
note
that
we
pointed
out
that
there
is
about
four
feet
of
grade
differential
from
this
corner
of
the
site
to
the
edge
of
the
site.
So
we
do
believe
that
the
great
separation
and
changing
grade
warrants
a
further
separation
of
those
doorways,
as
it
relates
to
the
four
levels
in
the
building.
B
So
again
we
could
have
approved
that
in
administrative
Lee
if
it
would
have
been
less
30%
or
less
increase
in
that
separation
distance.
But
since
it
was
greater,
we
could
not
approve
that
administrable
is
a
part
of
you
to
thank
the
X
item.
Isn't
pride.
You
tonight
on
this
request
is
regarding
parking,
Erik,
42
42
on
Street,
sorry
off
street
parking
spaces
in
this
parking
lot
behind
the
building.
There
are
also
six
motorcycle
parking
spaces
right
at
this
location
for
I,
told.
B
45
off
street
parking
spaces
they
also
proposed
for
on
street
parking
spaces
along
University.
That
would
be
adjoining
their
frontage.
That
would
take
them
up
to
49
provided
parking
spaces.
We
have
a
requirement.
I
could
be
code
of
providing
90
parking
spaces
and
that
already
takes
into
account
a
40%
reduction
in
the
required
parking
over
a
site
that
is
held
mx2.
So
if
this
one
outside
mx2,
the
required
number
of
spaces
would
be
well
over
100
parking
spaces.
B
Also
in
the
area,
no
parking
is
allowed
on
the
side
of
26th
Street.
On
the
west
side
of
26th
recall,
the
Planning
Commission
did
approve
the
hotel
project
that
is
under
construction,
that
the
same
developer
is
building
that
Hotel
has
its
own
off
street
parking
lot.
That
provides
all
this
required
parking,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
you
will
see
this
by
recommendation
is.
We
believe
that
there
are
approximately
nine
parking
spawn
street
parking
stalls
on
the
west
side
of
26th
street.
Under
the
code.
Our
code
would
not
let
them
child
parking
frontage.
B
That's
not
directly
abutting
their
their
fair
frontage,
so
being
on
the
opposite.
Side
of
the
street
requires
a
type
two
designed
alternative
from
the
planet.
Zoning
Commission.
The
final
thing
is,
if
you
count
those
nine
spaces,
they
would
be
at
fifty
eight
of
the
required
90
spaces,
which
would
be
about
64
percent
of
the
required
parking
or
the
site.
Staff
did
have
conversations
with
the
applicant
throughout
this
review
about
the
ability
to
secure
off-site
parking
agreements
or
the
property
they
have
not
proposed
any
such
agreements
took
the
bait.
B
If
they
did
propose
those
agreements,
the
offsite
parking
areas
would
have
to
be
within
a
750
foot
radius
of
the
subject
property
and
they
would
need
some
sort
of
relief
from
the
planning
Commissioner
type
to
design
alternatives,
to
allow
residential
parking
to
be
provided
off-site.
At
this
point,
the
applicant
is
not
proposing
any
off-site
agreements.
They
essentially
are
asking
for
a
waiver
of
the
additional
spaces
between
either
49
or
58
spaces
and
90
required,
depending
on
whether
or
not
the
Commission
grants
that
type
to
relief
bobeat
on
street
parking
on
26th
Street.
B
Just
one
second,
we
are
recommending
sell
things
on
this.
First
of
all,
help
is
recommending
that
they
try
to
design
alternative
for
the
spacing
of
the
doorways
and
the
number
of
doorways
on
University
Avenue
they
approved.
We
are
recommending
approval
of
the
type
to
design
alternative
to
allow
the
on
Street
spaces
on
the
west
side
of
26th
Street
to
be
counted
towards
the
minimum
required
parking
staff
is
recommending
denial
of
the
type
2
alternative
to
allow
a
waiver
of
32
required
parking
spaces.
B
B
B
The
second
would
be
revision
of
the
site
plan
and
building
elevations
to
comply
with
all
administrative
review
comments
and
type
1
design
alternatives
that
staff
has
already
approved
and
then
also
any
applicable
urban
design,
review
or
comments
not
addressed
by
there's
a
type
1
or
type
2
design
alternative
and
then
finally
approval.
This
high
plan
would
be
subject
to
vacation
and
conveyance
of
the
alley
right-of-way
by
the
council
to
the
developer
as
necessary
for
this
this
project.
As
far
as
the
consent
map.
B
We
had
one
card
that
we
received
in
support
of
the
project.
It
was
the
immediately
adjoining
property
owner
to
the
south.
I
do
believe
that
we
have
seven
individuals
that
notified
us
ahead
of
the
meeting
that
they
would
like
to
speak.
All
seven
of
those
people
are
requested
to
speak
or
in
support
the
project.
There
may
be
others
that
are
present.
The
group
also
wants
to
be
available.
If
you
have
any
questions,
options.
F
B
Or
signage,
there
is
a
great
question:
Greg
I'm,
just
on
this
map
will
point
out.
So
there's
no
parking
on
the
east
side
of
26th
Street.
You
can
see
the
on
street
parking
that's
occurring
on
the
west
side,
so
the
nine
spaces
of
on
street
parking
that
I
was
referencing
all
are
between
basically
a
south
edge
of
this
property
extended
across
to
the
north.
B
So
under
the
code
for
us
to
count
to
count
those
nine
spaces,
they
would
have
to
be
on
the
east
side
of
the
street
since
there's
no
parking
there,
it
takes
a
type
to
design,
alter
for
us
to
count
nine
spaces
in
this
area
towards
the
required
parking.
Here
again,
we
felt
that
that
was
appropriate
on
the
basis
that
this
development
on
this
property
has
all
of
its
required
parking
available
off-site
and
we
have
the
same
developer
doing
both
projects.
B
F
F
B
There
great
question
great
I
mean
that's,
obviously
why
we're
having
their
hearing
this
evening
is
to
give
notice
of
that.
Obviously,
our
public
streets
are
public.
There
is
no
guarantee
that
that
on
street
parking
is
reserved
for
them.
You
know
immediately
abutting
house,
and
so
just
as
these
nine
spaces
along
this
frontage
could
be
recounted
as
the
required
parking
anyone
can
park
there,
whether
they
are
a
resident
or
a
commercial
tenant
or
a
patron
of
one
of
those
businesses
for
this
development.
B
B
Go
ahead
so
thanks
for
the
time
tonight,
this
is
definitely
a
game-changing
project
for
the
neighborhood
and
I,
just
kind
of
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
this
project
talk
about.
The
three
reasons
why
this
variance
and
reduction
in
parking
required
is
Edith
first
because
of
the
unique
sight
and
context
of
this
neighborhood
because
of
affordable
housing
reasons
and
three
because
of
future
plans
within
the
neighborhood.
So
first
nelson
construction
development
we've
been
around
20
years.
B
The
East
Village,
the
Fleming
building
and
in
the
core
of
downtown
Des,
Moines
wow,
it
lost
and
the
market
district
at
the
East
Village,
the
Des
Moines
building
and
downtown
Des
Moines
AP
law
and
the
warehouse
district
by
thank
bill
de
and
418
East
Grand
in
the
heart
of
the
East
Village,
the
type
of
landlord
that
we
are.
We
have
on
by
property
management
at
all
of
these
assets,
and
we
will
at
this
project
as
well,
so
that
if
neighbors
do
have
concerns
as
we
open
and
feel.
E
B
E
B
The
other
thing
about
us
is
when
problems
do
come
on
over
the
course
of
years.
We've
solved
them
creatively.
A
good
example
would
be
all
those
assets.
I
just
listed
are
very
constrained
and
have
very
little
parking.
Some
of
them
have
zero
parking
spaces.
So
III
hundred
where
zombie
burger
is
as
the
East
Village
developed,
and
we
heard
more
and
more
neighbors
that
there
were
parking
problem.
We
actually
went
ahead
and
just
opened
a
parking
ramp
where
135
spaces.
B
Problems
do
occur,
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
we're
responsive
and
solution
focused,
and
you
can
see
that
through
our
actions,
not
just
our
work
as
far
as
how
we
got
to
this
project,
drink
issued
an
RFP
actually,
four
years
ago,
two
eleven
developers
around
the
country-
and
they
said
here-
are
two
parcels
of
land.
If
you
bought
them
from
us,
what
would
you
do
with
that?
B
Over
met
that
requirement,
we
have
a
hundred
and
fourteen
parking
spaces
on
site,
which
is
more
than
take
care
of
the
hotel
and
retail
fee
for
that
project.
When
we
looked
at
the
apartment
and
retail
project,
we've
been
working
with
Drake
and
the
neighbors
in
the
area.
The
fine
design
that
worked
for
everybody
and
I
think
when
you
hear
from
all
the
athletes
there,
all
the
people
here
and
support
I
think
you'll
see
that
we
collaborated
and
achieve
that.
B
For
years,
people
have
been
talking
about
bringing
development
from
downtown
into
the
neighborhood,
and
this
is
definitely
a
sign
of
that
happening
and
parking
always
a
40
issue,
but
it's
something
that
we
feel
like
the
this
is
a
unique
situation
and
should
be
granted
relief.
The
other
thing
I've
noted
that
the
forum.
H
B
B
Although
we're
market
rate
and
not
student
housing
solely,
we
I
think
we
all
can
agree
that
we're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
students
that
live
there,
in
which
case
they'll
be
part
either
on
campus,
because
it
costs
one
hundred
twenty-five
dollars
a
year.
It's
extremely
cheap
or
they'll
just
be
Carla.
We
see
that
happen
downtown
all
the
time
with.
B
We
have
tenants
that
work
at
major
employers
to
give
them
or
in
for
free
there
parking,
maybe
in
a
ramp,
eight
blocks
away,
but
the
tenants
I'm
with
that,
because
they
really
only
get
their
car
once
or
twice
a
week.
We
think
there
will
be
a
similar
effect
with
the
students
that
might
live
in
our
building
and
choose
the
park
off-site
because
it
is
so
cheap.
B
The
other
thing,
I
would
say,
is
the
retail
customers
that
we
be
coming
to
the
retail
along
University
are
not
necessarily
going
to
be
parked
at
our
site,
because
this
is
such
a
pedestrian
friendly
area.
We
will
have
a
lot
of
people
coming
that
we
don't
need
to
satisfy
that
our
DP
students,
as
well
as
others,
if
you
look
at
the
Walk
Score
database
online
Drake
this
site
actually
has
a
walk
score
of
81,
which
they
deemed
very
walkable
for
context.
B
B
The
other
reason
this
unique
this
site
is
unique
and
should
provide
context.
We
are
on
a
train
that
route
right
on
a
paint
ran
throughout
and
not
just
near
any
transit
route,
but
really
on
the
route
that
has
the
best
lifestyle
routes
with
the
highest
frequency,
so
I
used
to
shared
Arts
Committee.
That's
the
transit
writer
Advisory
Council,
because
I
have
gone
our
list
in
the
city,
so
I'm
not
just
speculating
I
know
this
to
be
true
route.
3
has
the
highest
frequency
throughout
the
metro
and
route.
B
60
truly
is
a
lifestyle
route
that
someone
with
goecart,
luyt
and
luke
from
downtown
down
the
University
Avenue
corridor
to
42nd
and
back
down.
Ingersoll
there's
also
beat
cycle
stations
in
the
area
and
because
of
all
these
reasons,
this
is
not
just
any
mx2
sight.
This
is
a
site
that
really
should
be
granted
parking
relief
because
it
is
to
be
a
photo
for
that
reason.
B
The
urban
design
review
board
actually
recommended
this
parking
site
plan
at
our
first
preliminary
meeting
and
passed
this
project,
and
they
made
specific
references
of
parking
that
they
were
fine
and
supportive
of
it.
The
other
thing
I
would
just
know
that
Greg
mentions
down
26th
Street
and
not
wanting
to
hassle
those
neighbors.
First,
the
neighbor
that's
immediately
adjacent
this
here
is
speak
and
support,
but
as
you
keep
going
down
26,
that
is
a
majority
of
that
housing
is
actually
multi,
tenant,
housing
that
they
parked
up,
and
so.
B
B
We
had
to
go
by
land
to
satisfy
the
parking
ratio.
It
would
drive
rents
to
a
point
where
they
won't
be
affordable.
Our
studios
and
micros
are
gonna
be
achieve,
are
going
to
be
able
to
be
rented
for
700
$800
a
month
ending
on
the
unit,
which
is
extremely
almost
impossible
really
to
find
in
market
rate
new
construction
in
des
moines.
So
we're
really
caught
in
this
if
we
want
to
hold
up
a
portable
housing
as
a
goal
which
I
think
we
all
grieve
is
a
goal
projects
like
this.
B
B
They
build
that
seconds.
The
church
next
door
offers
a
great
opportunity
for
service
parking
agreement.
However,
prescription
church,
while
we
were
developing
this
within
due
diligence
with
Oak
Lutheran
Church
and
Hope,
just
closed
on
it,
and
they
really
want
to
remodel
it,
be
how
their
usages
before
they
commit
to
leasing
spaces.
So,
with
my
time
expired,
I
would
just
say,
there's
very
unique
extenuating
circumstances
here
and
I
would
hope.
You
judge
us
by
our
actions
as
a
landlord
or
developer
in.
C
D
D
G
C
B
B
C
So
once
again,
we're
talking
about
item
number,
seven,
okay,
Nicole
name
and
address
Lee
hi,
I'm,
Nicole
accident
for
so
I
owe
the
property
to
the
south.
Of
this.
It's
one
one,
five,
five,
twenty
six
streets,
Des
Moines,
500,
three
one
one
I
know
there's
been
some
concern
about
the
lack
of
parking
for
so
many
new
apartment.
C
But
I
really
do
think
that,
in
the
context
of
the
neighborhood
plan,
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
have
hired
us
to
be
housing
along
West
routes
and
walkable
neighborhoods
like
ours
and
to
a
degree
I
think
we
have
to
go
for
what
we
want.
I
personally,
do
not
150
new
neighbors
who
all
have
cars
and
because
this
project
is
not
provided,
I
think
that
the
tenants
who
want
or
need
ample
parking
will
not
choose
these
apartment.
I
do
suspect.
C
And
we'll
say
a
question
about
how
the
parking
is
right
now
on
the
side
streets,
it
is
parking
only
on
the
west
side
of
the
street
of
26
feet
and
that
parking
is
fairly
full
overnight.
I,
wonder,
though,
we
have
a
lot
of
multi-unit
rentals,
you
know
houses
with
a,
but
it
is
the
rental
units
on
this
block
particular,
but
there's
also
a
lot
of
off
street
parking
of
excess
busy
alley
behind
those
and
I
personally
am
NOT
concerned
about
parking.
I
have
a
driveway
and
a
garage
that
affords
me
I
think
so.
C
I
never
person,
but
I
do
you
think
the
street
parking
generally
now-
and
there
is
quite
a
lot
of
surface
parking
in
the
vicinity
on
cases
like
when
the
Trump
rally
was
that
Drake
and
the
Rafal,
somehow
we
managed
so
I-
think
people
do
gravitate
for
bigger
event
parking
that
exists,
because
overall,
it's
not
really
that
concerned
about
parking.
I,
do
worry
a
little
about
you,
mr.
C
That
the
hotel
book
would
also
want
26th
Street
traffic
to
be
unencumbered
so
that
people
can
get
in
and
out
of
the
hotel
comfortably,
and
you
know,
while
I
will
miss
being
able
to
see
old
main
from
my
front
door
when
the
project
goes
up.
I
you
I
do
think
it
will
be
good
for
the
neighborhood
on
the
whole
and
I
appreciate
that
the
design
has
improved
considerably,
since
it
was
meant
to
the
neighborhood
associations
of
back
in
December
and
I
am
thankful
that,
mr.
C
B
Yes,
this
is
Jason
Stuyvesant
at
29:37
Rutland
app
I
am
also
vice
president
for
the
neighborhood
board
this
year,
I'm
definitely
in
favor
of
the
project,
while
I
can
definitely
appreciate
the
parking
concerns,
I,
just
kind
of
agree
with
what
has
already
been
said.
I,
don't
really
need
to
take
up
time.
Elaborating
on
that
I
think
there
will
be
people
without
without
cars
living
there
and
also
with
the
transit
and
walkability
factors.
I
think
that's
a
big
bonus
and
then
especially
the
factor
of
trying
to
offer
that
affordable
housing
in
the
area.
B
That's
something
that
it
you
know
talked
about
over
and
over
so
a
developer.
That
is
that
it's
offering
that
in
the
neighborhood
I
think
that
can
be
great,
a
great
fit
as
well
as
in
combination
with
the
hotel
kind
of
I
use
them
almost
together,
given
that
their
locations
with
the
Attic
retail
and
expanding
dock
down
down
the
street
and
just
the
overall
revitalization,
along
University,
Avenue
I,
think
all
of
the
winds
that
this
project
brings
to
the
neighborhood
outweigh
the
potential
for
slightly
more
congested
street
parking.
B
You
know
we
have
many
big
events
in
the
area
all
the
time,
as
Nicole
mentioned
the
rally,
but
also
trick
relays
all
things
like
that
and
there's
you
know
everybody
still
manages
to
find
places
to
park.
So
just
with
that,
I
just
think
it's
a
really
great
win
for
the
neighborhood
in
both
offering
the
affordable
housing
that
people
want,
but
also
the
added
makes
use
of
the
retail
and
just
really
expanding
on
what
is
one
of
our
busiest
streets
in
the
area
to
make
Drake
a
true
destination.
Neighborhood.
B
My
name
is
Daniel
Bosman
I'm,
one
of
the
partners
at
Mars
cafe
at
23:18
University
Avenue
I,
also
in
the
house
on
28
and
confidential
over
10
years,
and
just
recently
moved
out
of
the
neighborhood,
but
mostly
I
just
wanted
to
speak
of
what
it
was
like
live
in
the
neighborhood
and
parking
then
never
seemed
to
be
an
issue.
I
think
people
in
the
neighborhood
are
generally
history,
15
and
the
spot
being
full
a
lot
of
the
time.
Most
anyone,
and
just
as
far
as
us
at
Mars
cafe,
are
concerned.
B
We
want
to
say
that
we
were
excited
about
the
project
and
we're
just
looking
forward
to
some
of
these
additions.
The
neighborhood
we've
had
the
cafe
in
the
neighborhood
for
14
years
and
are
really
excited
about
some
of
the
developments
that
are
happening
down.
The
street
now
it'll
tie
Dogtown
into
the
Drake
neighborhood
other
than
that
I
think
Jason
and
everybody
else
covered
almost
everything
you
pay
in
ways.
Okay,.
C
C
C
Sinkhole
excellent
Purcell
one
one:
five
526
Street,
Des,
Moines
I,
didn't
have
a
question
just
about
I.
Wonder
if
you
know
how
the
alley
ties
into
the
parking
for
this
project
and
clarify
for
me,
there
wasn't
clear
to
me
if
the
city
will
retain
any
kind
of
right-of-way
through
the
parking
or
that
for
the
alley
to
exit,
if
that
makes
them.
B
So
the
the
the
alley
right-of-way
is
proposed
to
be
vacated
that
basically
comes
down
to
the
south
edge
of
the
property,
and
then
the
public
alley
continues
to
the
south.
There
will
be
an
access,
easement
retained
that
would
get
vehicles
out
to
either
preferably
out
to
26th
Street
to
the
west,
but
technically
vehicles
could
also
still
continue
through
an
easement
on
the
property
north
and
out
to
the
University
Avenue
again,
the
preference
should
be
when
we
design
this
was
easement
going
out
to
26th
Street.
So
the
developer
would
own
a
former
right-of-way
adjoining
their
properties.
C
C
A
B
How
far
is
750
feet
all
these
direction?
Well,
Jack
the
proposed
site
plan-
if
you
can,
if
you
can
see
this
is
about
sites
roughly
150
feet
wide,
so
these
are
basically
the
blocks
in
this
area
are
about
roughly
300
people
link
between
280
and
300
feet
in
length,
you're,
basically
talking.
You
know
two
blocks
in
any
direction,
little
over
two
blocks
in
any
direction.
B
Instead
of
denial
of
the
type
to
design,
Altair
432
spaces,
so
you
I
apologize
confusing
on
that
condition.
Number
three:
you
would
just
change
it
from
denial
to
approval
and
then
strike
condition.
Number
four:
okay
I
make
that
my
most
of
it.
This
is
Greg
again,
so
rocky.
Is
that
what
you'd?
Like?
That's
correct?
Okay,.
H
H
G
B
B
Everybody
in
front
of
them.
Okay,
this
map
identify
the
subject
property
just
of
the
north
of
Douglas
Avenue
on
the
east
side
of
tenths
peak.
You
can
see
an
aerial,
the
dwelling
that
we
have
the
garage
and
then
the
subject
carport
we'll
be
discussing
tonight
to
the
south
of
the
garage
photographing,
the
property
looking
north
and
east.
B
And
then
a
copy
of
the
staff
report
and
companies
that
I
just
want
to
highlight
when,
with
these
type
tier
review,
we
did
include
in
the
staff
reports
the
criteria
that
the
Commission
is
supposed
to
look
at
as
we
reviewed
these
requests
or
bring
back
to
your
attention.
That
was
on
pages
2
and
moves
over
into
page
3,
and
then
part
of
that
is
some
criteria
that
looks
at
the
character,
the
surrounding
area,
and
so
that's
kind
of
the
premise
of
what
our
recommendation
is
based
on.
Is
that
know?
B
B
B
As
I
mentioned,
we
did
analysis
of
the
other
parcels
within
the
250
feet
and
found
that
there
was
only
one
other
example
within
that
notice.
Area
of
a
cardboard
structure
and
I've
listed
that
address
in
the
staff
report
so
based
off
of
there
not
being
a
predominant
character
of
carports
could
be
standing
in
the
neighborhood
and
then
also
we
noted
in
the
staff
report,
the
cardboard
in
general.
You
don't
necessarily
have
the
same
kind
of
permanent
nature
as
outbuilding.
That's
why
they
were
excluded
from
the
planning
design
ordinance.
B
B
Comments
or
communication
from
any
neighbors
I
don't
have
any
letters
or
letters
or
cars
or
cards
excuse
me
or
email
to
share
with
you
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
have
I
do
believe.
The
applicant
is
with
us
tonight
and
I
visited
with
him
earlier
today,
and
he
indicated
he
was
going
to
participate.
I.
F
F
B
B
B
A
C
B
B
G
B
E
For
the
parking
of
Motor
Vehicles
and
enclosed
I'm,
not
more
than
two
sides,
so
the
difference
is
this
is
being
parked
under
and
we
are
determining
that
estate
carport
and
did
not
count
as
the
gazebo,
where
you
might
see
somebody
putting
it.
You
know
picnic
table
or
chairs
under
it
rather
than
park.
D
B
B
A
B
B
B
Michael
I
know
must
there's
talk
about
trying
to
grant
you
some
relief
here,
it's
a
little
troubling
that
the
structure
was
built
without
a
building
permit,
but
we're
overlooking
that
for
the
moment
and
your
concern
for
your
wife's
disability
is
what's
driving
the
discussion
at
this
point.
The
discussion
is
kind
of
going
and
drifting
in
your
favor,
based
upon
the
disability
of
your
wife.
I
asked
you
earlier.
If
you
had
a
do,
T
handicap
parking
permit.
B
B
B
Are
muted
so
that
they
can
see
it?
That's
yes,
I
could
email
it
yeah
Michael
dissociates.
A
man
has
no
staff
I
emailed
you
this
afternoon.
Did
you
receive
that
email
I
believe
so?
Yes,
you
could
email
that
information
to
me
at
that
address,
and
that
would
work.
Would
you
like
me
to
take
a
picture
of
the
card
and
then
attach
that
now
be
fantastic?
Thank
you.
I
can
do
that.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
G
G
A
K
B
K
B
K
K
K
K
K
Because
there
really
isn't
any
other
opportunities
to
provide
on-site
parking
on
this
property
I,
here's
the
consent
map
we
just
had
two
emails,
come
back
in
opposition
and
I
believe
those
people
might
be
online
tonight
to
address
the
Commission
direct
link.
But
I
will
let
you
read
those
two
emails.
The
first
was
pretty
brief,
just
stating
that
these
are
the
residents
of
1021
29th
Street,
stating
death
or
in
opposition,
and
then
this
is
the
resident
immediately
to
the
west.
Who
also
is
in
opposition
I'll.
E
A
A
A
H
A
A
B
B
A
B
B
The
reason
for
the
curve
is
to
keep
cars
from
driving
back
into
the
landscape
which
to
expose
that,
but
the
reason
for
Jen
I'm,
recommending
denial
of
this
request
or
temperance
versus
concrete
is
that
it
will
be
seen
from
Kingman
our
image
in
29th.
But
you
got
the
same
situation
here,
but
if
we,
if
we
use
timber
there,
we've
also
got
trucks
plant
there
and
there
will
be
mulch
under
those
clubs
as
well.
So
those
Timbers
will
not
be
seen
whatsoever
granted.
B
B
B
D
B
D
This
working
or
the
pavement
it's
higher
than
the
level
of
our
yard,
so
all
of
the
runoff
from
their
parking
and
their
driveway
goes
right
into
our
yard
and
garden,
which
is
not
acceptable,
and
that
is
one
of
the
purposes
of
urban
is
to
protect
from
runoff.
So
I
don't
think
that
landscape
timbers
would
be
sufficient
there
all
kinds
of
nasty
chemicals
and
again
this
destroying,
is
not
a
realistic.
Drawing
of
what
that
season
look
like
they
would
have
to
remove.
I
H
B
C
B
B
Okay,
can
you
hear
me
okay
yeah?
This
is
Joe
Henry
I
was
the
real
TV
agent
to
represent
the
sellers
of
the
property
who
had
bought
it.
They
had
bought
this
building
from
a
lodge
that
owned
this
building
beforehand
and
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
the
group
know
that
the
building
when
it
was
built
1923
it
was
built
as
a
church,
the
pretty
amazing
structure.
It
was
a
church
from
1923
to
the
mid
1940s.
B
Then
it
became
an
art
studio
and
then
in
the
late
fifties
it
was
bought
by
the
I
found
clutch
at
us
until
a
year
ago,
again,
like
I,
said
it
is
a
pretty
amazing
building.
We
met
the
buyers,
I
believe
pastor.
Willie
is
probably
on
the
phone
right
now.
The
cute
congregation
is
both
members
from
the
African
community,
many
of
which
are
refugees
very
young
congregation,
they're
very
respectful
from
what
I
can
tell
you
know,
and
they
have
been
in
Des
Moines
for
some
time
originally
located
on
Hickman
Avenue.
B
The
other
thing
that
I
want
to
note
is
that
this
building
that
was
originally
built
is
the
church.
It
actually
had
original
barrel
roof.
That's
kind
of
hidden
under
the
this
beena
roof
line
right
now,
so
there's
going
to
be
the
neat
history.
I
hope
that
the
church
does
preserve
down
the
road,
there's
also
several
other
churches
in
the
neighborhood,
with
dan
block
from
this
one
over
I
cottage,
and
then,
of
course,
we
have
the
Thoreau
center
to
the
west,
with
the
sewer
footbridge
not
much
parking
on
site,
but
they
didn't
use
the
street.
B
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
my
support
for
this
community
again,
they're
very
respectful.
If
there
is
some
stuff
that
they
should
have
done
on
the
website.
Pastor,
Willie
who's,
a
well-known
minister
in
town,
I'm
sure
you
can
get
with
this
consultation
to
make
sure
that
they
kind
of
all
the
procedures
on
that
site
as
they
would
on
the
outside
of
the
property
to
Nick
to
the
person
who
talked
about
the
party
is
so
forth
on
that
site,
so
I
just
again,
I
just
wanted
to
give
my
my
positive
feelings
about
the
truth.
Thank
you.
B
C
D
C
D
India
yeah
thanks.
This
is
Laurie
Upendra,
1,
0,
1,
0,
20,
nice,
Street
and
I'm,
actually
just
to
the
south
of
Jane
Riley
as
the
neighbor,
so
I
just
wanted
to
voice
once
that
I
think
is
really
great
for
a
church
to
come
into
the
neighborhood
and
be
a
positive
influence
and
to
I
think
I've
been
here
for
five
years
and
just
in
general,
that
property
hasn't
been
managed
well
for
a
long
time,
meaning
the
sidewalks
because
of
the
way
that
the
grass
was
managing
so
forth.
D
It
keeps
the
roading
this
time,
and
so
the
sidewalks
are
covered
in
mud.
It
typically
hasn't
been
shoveled
and
so
forth.
So
I
think
some
of
the
may
be
frustration,
and
just
the
overall
site
is
just
not
great
management
for
a
very
long
time.
So
I
don't
know
if
it's
possible
to
have
a
property
manager
or
something
really
improves
the
overall
quality
of
the
site
and
and
I
think
that
would
substantially
just
the
presence
in
the
neighborhood
be
a
really
positive
outcome.
D
D
H
H
Yes,
this
one
I
want
to
be
I
want
to
begin
a
little
opposition
to
this
whole
plan,
because
I
see
that
there
are
parking
places
that
I
think
they
want
to
make
handicapped,
but
they
are.
They
are
sticking
out
into
the
grassy
area
and
they're,
taking
up
some
of
the
grassy
area
and
there's
not
a
whole
lot
around
the
building
as
it
just
on
the
east
side
of
the
building
and
that's
exactly
from
across
the
my
front
yard.
H
So
I
like
to
look
at
the
grass
area
rather
than
more
party
and
again
I,
think
the
curbing
it
should
be
done
in
concrete,
rather
than
real
room
size,
because
railroad
ties
is
never
a
permanent
stick.
We
have
better
materials
and
I
think
it
should
be
done
that
way
and
also
there
shows
a
sidewalk
here
coming
down
kind
of
diagonally
and
then
dumping
down
onto
the
sidewalk
along
with
three:
that's,
not
that's
not
there
now,
and
so
we
are
also
proposed
in
the
sidewalk
I.
H
Just
don't
think
this
has
been
well
thought
out
and
I
would
like
to
see
the
church
succeed
and
I
would
like
to
see
the
building
and
the
property
include,
and
one
of
the
things
and
I
see
that
there
are
five
trees
but
are
apparently
going
to
be
planted
along
the
Parkway
and
I
thought.
That
was
more
of
a
city
project
rather
than
a
private
owner,
putting
up
those
piece.
So
those
fees
are
either
proposed
for
the
old
or
they
will
not
ever
be
put
in
place.
In.
B
If
you
look
at
that
page
number,
two,
that's
the
demolition
plant
and
as
you're
aware,
the
city
requires
a
certain
buffer
yard
around
the
perimeter,
so
the
minimum
is
five
feet,
but
we
are
showing
there
is
the
removal
of
five
feet
of
that
asphalt
or
concrete
both
on
the
west
side
and
on
the
south
side,
mr.
Gibson
not
seeing
that
online,
the
drawing
at
this
time,
not
I,
am
pulling
it
up
right
now.
Okay,.
B
B
Way,
and
in
fact,
by
taking
on
you
know,
five
feet
of
pavement,
there's
a
little
impervious
surface
that
that
water's
going
to
be
running
off
and
so
that
first
five
feet
as
it
goes
to
the
northwest,
is
going
to
get
captured
and
a
little
bit
slowed
down.
You
know
it's
not
going
to
limit
it
to
the
property
to
the
west,
but
it
if
it
might
be
very
small
improvement
in
regarding
the
Tri
Lee's
property
on
the
south.
B
There
you
can
see,
there's
a
little
more
room
for
them
there,
but
I
will
say
that
those
trees
on
the
west
and
on
about
those
are
required
by
the
city,
and
that
was
actually
a
concern.
I
am
planting
trees
there
and
on
the
west,
by
required
by
sitting
to
buffer
your
property,
because
it's
so
tight
there.
My
concern
was
that
you
neighbors,
might
have
some
concern
about
the
trees
and
providing
more
shade.
You
may
not
want
an
especially
neighbor
to
the
west.
You
know
if
you've
got
teams
arguing
going
on
there.
A
B
B
Pushing
concerns
off
on
the
city
regarding
the
trees,
along
the
style
property
line
that
they
are
required
and
I
guess.
Similarly,
the
trees
shown
in
right
away
along
29th
they're
also
required
by
that
again,
they
are
shown
on
early
and
big
plan,
and
this
owner
is
required
to
put
those
in
for
the
answer
that
that
question.
B
As
far
as
the
comments
about
it
being
on
the
image
for
quite
some
time,
well,
it's
been
vacant
for
a
while,
but
I
would
suspect,
maybe
as
to
where
we
can
address,
but
the
improvements
that
they
have
done
into
interior.
If
that's
any
indication
of
how
they're
going
to
take
care
of
this
place,
it's
gonna
be
pretty
nice.
The
Dean
will
keep
it
up.
B
B
And
then
you
know
if
we
go
good
page
four
loses
the
landscape
plan,
that's
where
there's
been
more
trees
located
in
there
and
wrapping
that
with
with
some
shrubs
as
well,
which
is
requirement
of
the
city,
but
for
those
who
kind
of
screen
those
areas
from
the
neighbors.
That's
where
that
comes
from,
so
that
the
timber
that
I
was
proposed
in
lieu
of
the
concrete
curving
I
wasn't
thinking.
Railroad
ties
off.
I
was
thinking
like
eight
by
eight
long
treated
Timbers
that
were
pretty
heavy-duty
and
very
long,
lasting
the
sidewalk,
their
dimensions
and
angles
up.
H
C
B
Like
I
can
my
concern
well,
ultimately,
if
it
he
says,
when
you
doing
we
need
doing,
my
concern
was
that
the
value
of
them
versus
the
cost
of
them
just
doesn't
seem
to
make
a
lot
of
sense
me
on
something
this
small.
You
know,
we've
got
basically
four
parking
stalls
that
we're
dealing
with
now.
They
said
earlier
that
the
handicap
stall
there
that's
gotta
be
either
can
be
constructed,
so
we
can
put
a
curve
in
there
pretty
easily
okay,
but.
H
C
F
B
K
L
B
A
F
Don't
think
a
timber
curb
is
appropriate,
though
I
think
it
should
be
concrete
curb
and
whether
or
not
they
have
to
remove
a
little
bit
of
asphalt
or
just
pour
it
as
a
straight
curb.
It's
a
lot
stronger.
It's
going
to
last
a
lot
longer
and
no
matter
how
you
anchor
and
timber
curb
it's
not
going
to
stay,
and
so
I
just
think
it
needs
to
be
a
concrete
one.
So
that's
my
opinion
on
the
curb
okay.
C
G
G
G
J
G
G
J
B
J
B
B
E
E
E
You
know
what
we
think
of
this
large,
but
it's
a
small
portion
of
their
overall
campus.
This
is
the
process
building
to
the
south.
Here,
that's
under
construction
actually
I
think
it's
this
building,
that's
under
construction
I'm!
Sorry,
this
was
their
warehouse.
This
is
the
building
under
construction,
so
they
had
already
had
a
site
plan
of
proof
for
that.
E
This
is
the
overall
landscaping
plan
that
was
developed
for
the
campus
itself.
It
was
part
of
a
previous
kind
of
a
part
of
a
previous
approval,
so
it's
treating
heavily
the
area
out
in
front
of
the
building.
It's
also
where
the
stormwater
appears
to
be
located,
so
there'll
be
a
feature
there
in
the
front
of
the
building
between
there
in
Vandalia
Road.
E
E
E
This
is
part
of
a
campus
setting
at
this
point
so
they're
having
to
this
isn't
just
a
fresh
sight,
dance
alone
they
are
having
to
develop
within
the
context
of
their
existing
campus,
which
has
loading
drives
and
drive
accesses
in
front
of
their
buildings
between
Vandalia,
Road
and
they're,
building
part
of
their
challenge
to
is
making
sure
that
they
maintain
emergency
access
around
the
building,
so
that
had
some
factor
in
the
matter
with
regard
to
where
they
were
providing
some
access
for
loading
into
their
building.
So
staff
isn't
as
concerned
about
that
particularly.
E
E
Percent
transparency
minimum
on
the
frontage
facade
and
that
they
also
forgive
it
any
rectangular
area
of
that.
Aside
from
having
a
an
area
greater
than
15
feet
to
be
without
transparency.
For
that
you
just
took
a
measuring
dick
and
went
every
15
feet.
There
should
be
a
transparency,
a
window
basically
somewhere
within
that
15
feet,
and
then
there
should
also
be
no
area
on
this
beside
greater
than
30
percent
of
the
whole
facade.
That
would
be
without
a
window
and
the
last
one
is
the.
E
The
other
buildings
on
their
campus,
the
current
ordinance,
now
speak
to
have
a
primary
material
on
the
street
facing
facades
that
would
have
at
least
60%
of
the
facade
in
that
material
metal
is
not
one
of
those
permitted.
Materials
metal
can
be
considered
as
a
minor
material,
but
then
a
also
has
to
be
in
the
form
of
a
architectural
panel
system,
composite
metal
or
core
10
metal
to
be
in
the
minor
material
list.
E
E
However,
given
the
fact
that
it
was
a
hundred
percent
metal
around
the
building
and
no
attempt
was
provided
to
provide
some
other
material
on
the
street
basting
facade
or
provides
the
whip
with
those
two
sort
of
offset
that,
in
some
fashion,
staff
was
not
willing
to
approve
the
metal
material
as
a
type
one
design
alternative
and
therefore
it's
in
front
of
the
Commission
be
considered
as
they
proposed
it
again.
Staff
and
looking
at
this
thing's
there's
some
mitigating
ways
to
allow
for
that
type
one
and
allow
for
the.
E
E
E
Wrapping
around
the
East
and
West
facade
for
no
less
than
20
feet,
and
if
you
look
that
sort
of
the
provision
for
meeting
the
intent
of
the
code
that
have
that
wrapped
around
and
and
have
that
other
material
on
that
primary
facade
that
stronger
material
towards
the
base
of
the
building.
So
that's
the
staff
recommendation.
Are
there
specific
questions?
I
can
I,
don't
believe,
there's
any
card
provided
here,
so
the
consent
map
is
empty.
Basically,.
B
Right,
yes
good
evening
and
I
guess
from
what
I've
gathered
over
the
last
couple
of
hours,
I
get
one
chance
to
speak.
So
I
would
actually
like
to
let
shy
battery
speak
first,
if
I
may
and
if
Naomi
wants
to
speak
I'd
like
her
to
speak
as
well
and
I'd
like
a
chance
to
come
back
at
the
back
end,
if
possible.
C
B
You
Brent's
trial,
Stra,
uch
I
wish
I'd
powdery.
The
address
is
for
one
to
five
West
town
parkway,
suite
100
West
Des,
Moines,
five,
zero,
three
one,
zero
first
off,
thanks
to
the
Commission
for
your
time
here
in
this
matter
tonight.
We
certainly
appreciate
everybody's
time
and
we'll
try
to
be
as
brief
as
I.
Can
we
appreciate
the
planning
staff
comments,
as
well
as
their
assistant
kind
of
helping
us
through
navigating
this?
The
recent
update
to
the
city
code?
B
On
the
primary
first
side,
the
request
comes
with
special
considerations
from
not
only
howling
up
and
as
well
as
the
the
project
design
professionals
throughout
the
design
process.
To
extend
the
functionality
and
the
aesthetics
of
the
existing
Helena
campus
and
its
facilities,
this
includes
a
couple
recently
approved
buildings
adjacent
to
the
proposed
that
would
be
built
nearly
concurrent
to
this
project.
We'll
have
three
projects:
roughly:
seventy
plus
million
dollars
concurrently
being
constructed,
and
the
other
two
previously
approved
under.
B
Well
as
the
vandalia
corridor,
so
the
when
Eric
was
kind
of
given
a
high-level
picture
from
looking
at
the
southeast
and
then
to
the
southwest.
The
warehouse
that
came
into
the
picture
in
the
southwest
is
another.
You
know
that
saudis
been
there
now.
Seven
six
seven
years
were
roughly
a
hundred
foot
away
from
it
to
the
east,
and
this
the
general
intent
and
the
design
and
the
materials
will
match
and
continue
that
as
part
of
the
a
campus.
So
really
will
it
will
act
as
a
sort
of
an
extension
of
that.
B
B
There's
a
large
landscaping
offer,
and
so
the
frontage
of
the
building
laps
be
located
225
feet
off
of
band
area
and
that
225
feet
will
be
basically
chock-full
of
an
extensive
landscaping
plan
that
we've
worked
kind
of
back
and
forth
with
with
Eric
and
his
staff
and
and
of
Cove,
with
a
great
plan
that
we
think
not
only
will
accommodate
Allen.
His
campus
really
bring
kind
of
an
up
green
to
it,
but
as
well
as
brighten
up
that
they
do
a
corridor
kind
of
the
last
thing.
B
I
think
we'll
just
you
know
how
long
as
a
remains
a
great
representation,
the
vicious
and
positive
businesses
of
mine,
and
they
continue
to
make
efforts
to
develop
their
campus
in
a
beneficial
manner
to
the
neighboring
properties
in
the
city
des
moines
and
I'll.
Let
Naomi
speak
if
she
has
anything
otherwise.
I
can
open
up
to
questions.
D
B
B
That's
correct:
yes,
sir
yep
yep.
We
we
feel
that
the
design
as
proposed
it
would
be
more
of
a
sore
thumb
kind
of
stick
out
if
we
went
to
match
the
new
code
in
this
area,
given
the
existing
facilities
on
the
campus
as
well
as
the
adjacent
properties
it
would,
it
would
kind
of
create
a
more
unique
opportunity
and
similarly
to
Eric's
comment,
but
also
to
yours,
Greg.
It
was
mentioned
about
not
having
attempted
to
meet
at
all
it's.
B
It
is
a
difficult
process
to
meet
I
want
to
say
half-heartedly,
but
in
small
portions
with
something
like
this.
The
way
I
see
it
is.
This
is
an
all-or-nothing
type
thing.
The
5-footer
facade
would
be
I'm
almost
an
inappropriate
look
if
we
went
with
anything
less
than
five
foot
and
as
well
as
the
windows,
if
we
put
one
or
two
windows
on
a
building
of
this
size,
almost
detrimental
to
the
look
and
provides
no
value.
B
B
You
know
hi
I,
look
at
the
neighborhood,
we're
in
with
the
junkyards
across
the
street
and
also
knowing
the
connector
is
going
to
make
our
neighborhood
really
kind
of
an
isolated,
Business
Park
in
the
not
terribly
distant
future,
and
then
I
think.
The
other
thing
that
everybody
has
to
understand
is
we're
a
toll,
manufacturer
and
I'm.
Not
sure
everybody
understands
what
that
means,
but
our
projects
are
driven
by
our
customers.
B
We
work
for
all
the
large
agricultural
chemical
companies
of
the
globe
and,
as
a
result,
this
building
was
actually
ordered
in
December
based
on
the
existing
building
codes,
because
no
one
could
tell
us
for
sure
when
the
new
codes
were
coming
into
play.
As
Naomi
knows,
we've
been
working
on
these
projects,
basically
the
whole
of
2019
and,
as
Brett
said,
they
sequentially
fell
into
place
at
slightly
different
times,
but
we
actually
have
five
buildings
that
are
currently
or
getting
ready
to
be
belt.
B
This
will
be
the
last
one
to
start
and
all
of
those
got
a
good
rolling
start
in
2019.
So
again
we
have
no
interest
in
being
a
bad
citizen
or
a
bad
neighbor,
but
by
the
same
token,
we
want
to
just
make
sure
that
we're
treated
fairly
and
our
entire
campus
is
steel
structure.
Buildings
and
I
heard
the
comment
about
durability.
B
K
B
We
actually
so,
if
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
have
been
down
on
the
corridor
at
all,
I
would
hope
you
have
been
prior
to
tonight,
but
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
construction.
Our
new
we're
and
I
do
want
to
correct
one
comment.
Mister
of
mr.
Lundy
made
reference
that
we
were
in
joining
the
cold
storage.
That's
not
accurate.
They
are
a
separate
company.
We
built,
we
have
a
200,000
square
foot,
building
that's
getting
near
completion
that
shares
a
property
line
with
them.
B
That
building
is
actually
tan
metal
because
it's
going
to
be
a
separate
DBA
in
our
organization.
We
have
a
building
back
on
the
property.
That's
going
up
right
now
that
will
be
white,
but
it
will
be
behind
all
of
our
blue
buildings,
and
so
yes,
it
would
be
I,
say
correct
term
is
Hawaiian
blue,
but
yes,
that's
the
building
color
that
would
be
in
the
building
nearest
Mandel.
You
had
225
feet,
setback.
F
B
G
C
C
B
B
I
G
F
Agree
I
agree
with,
will
I
think
with
the
big
step
back
and
how
scale
of
the
building
it's
just
five
feet
at
the
bottom
and
Windows
15
feet
on
center.
Really,
just
don't
don't
do
it
justice
I!
You
know
unless
you're
going
to
do
something,
bigger
and
bolder
right.
I'd,
rather
do
nothing
so
I
agree
with
will,
and
this
is
Greg
Greg
again
I.
Think
it's
just
a
blend
with
the
campus.
It
sounds
like
that's
what
they're
trying
to
do.
I
think
that
makes
it
most
times.
G
G
C
C
59.4
and
135
9.3
got
one
beat
per
property
at
7:21,
allows
surface
parking,
lots
to
press
it
in
an
ear
to
downtown
district,
where
new
surface
park
is
also
considered
type.
One
is
playing
alternatives.
I,
really
this
not
requiring
it
is
B
streetlight
whole
place
with
new
black
colored
poles
and
searchers.
Allow
a
trash
enclosure
with
I
was
bored
of
material
and
without
required,
pedestrian
access
for
our
landscaping.
B
Eastern,
excuse
me
western
part
of
the
the
property
looking
back
towards
being
north
and
east.
This
is
the
parking
lot
from
this
is
from
Pennsylvania.
So
looking
at
the
eastern
edge
of
the
site,
looking
towards
the
west,
you
can
see
the
current
dumpster.
Not
that's,
not
enclosed.
An
enclosure
would
go
in
this
area
and
I'll
show
us
some
more
information.
We
get
into
that
a
little
deeper.
B
Moving
into
the
staff
report
just
once
again,
I'll
highlight
or
reference
the
Commission
to
the
standards
that
we
have
in
Chapter
135
that
tell
us
the
purpose
of
135
over
trying
to
achieve,
and
then
also
how
do
we
go
about
offering
type
2
design
alternatives?
Well,
don't
the
people
are
detail
because
at
the
chair
Janice,
she
was
reading
through
the
agenda
I'm
sure
the
first
part
of
my
your
attention
in
DX
to
surface
the
parking
is
allowed.
That
needs
to
take
place
with
any
building
in
this
case.
B
Applies
in
the
downtown
general
building
type,
but
that
requires
parking
within
the
building.
So
in
this
case
for
the
reconstruction
or
the
parking
lot
and
upgrading
of
the
parking
lights
or
the
light
pictures
with
in
the
parking
lot
excuse,
bank
I
think
you
need
relief
from
the
Commission
to
be
able
to
do
that
because
of
this
best
emulation
for
that
building
type.
B
B
Other
items
I
go
ahead
and
I
think
well
do
to
be
efficient.
I'm
just
gonna
go
to
the
staff
recommendation
section
here
and
I
explained
it
as
they
read
it
to
you
so
staff.
We
are
recommending
approval
the
type
to
design
alternative
for
the
parking
lot
to
be
reconstructed.
You
know
this
is
a
they're,
not
redeveloping
the
spike
or
making
a
major
building.
I
hope
you
think
that
makes
sense
to
that.
B
Your
recommendable
that,
on
the
request
for
the
type
to
design
alternative,
to
allow
the
street
pulls
and
fixtures
to
be
retained
that
are
there
currently
they're
in
third
place,
with
the
Plaga
:,
make
sure
we're
recommending
denial
that
it's
been
a
long-standing
practice
before
going
back
before
the
adoption
of
the
new
chapter
135
that
the
city's
goals
to
achieve
a
unified
appearance
in
the
downtown
and
that
be
with
the
black
sturdy
white
and
pole
tricks
you're
being
the
preferred
layout.
So
at
this
point
the
applicant
hasn't
provided
us
with
any
information.
B
Shouldn't
has
to
widen
the
street
light
fixtures
there
around
their
site.
So
as
such,
we
are
recommending
that
they
do
so
and
then
on
the
request
to
use
alternative
materials
for
the
trash
enclosure
to
eliminate
the
pedestrian
entrance
requirements.
Trash
enclosures.
If
you
look
in
chapter
135-
and
you
can
see
it
up
here
in
this
section
of
my
staff
report-
they're
required
to
have
a
masonry
wall,
they're
required
to
have
steel
gates
and
then
a
separate
entrance
for
a
pedestrian
to
go
in
and
out
of
the
large
doors
don't
have
to
be
utilized.
B
Are
proposing
not
to
do
the
landscaping
and
I
can
go
back
to
the
pictures
and
its
staff
I
think
we
have
their
arms.
We
have
some
support
for
what
they're
asking
you
can
see
the
retaining
wall
to
the
north.
That
obviously
will
shield
the
views
of
the
trash
enclosure
from
the
north.
So
we
don't
believe
landscaping
is
there.
B
You
have
the
garage
to
the
west,
so
we
don't
believe
the
landscaping
is
needed
on
that
side
and
given
the
limited
scope
and
the
project
being
more
of
a
parking
lot
renovation
project,
we
think
it's
appropriate
to
use
a
alternative
material
which
we
have
allowed
over
the
and
similar
circumstances
after
the
previous
design
standards
that
don't
get
ordnance.
The
one
thing
that
we
disagree
with
the
applicant
on
the
trash
enclosure
is.
We
do
believe
that
there
needs
to
be
the
plant
5-foot
landscaping
along
the
eastern
edge
of
it
to
shielded
the
use
of
Xmas
tree.
B
B
We
noted
in
the
staff
report
that
there
actually,
this
is
only
industry
that
they
are
classified
under,
has
chapter
135,
but
you
reference
back
to
that
zoning
district
bx2.
There
is
no
minimum
parking
requirement,
however
you're
not
supposed
to
provide
more
parking
than
what
would
be
typically
required
in
other
districts.
In
this
case,
that
number
would
be
18
for
building
an
office
building
of
this
size.
So
to
do,
21
is
exceeding
that
that
kind
of
that
cap
maximum
that
the
chapter
135
is
looking
for.
B
B
F
B
B
F
B
Guess
I
was
quite
a
nation
on
the
industrial
access
door,
whether
they
were
a.
We
had
requested
relief
from
a
separate
pedestrian
access.
The
word
I
wasn't
clear
on
whether
we're
recommending,
but
given
the
fact,
they're
too
small
gates
to
three
foot
gates.
It's
easy
enough
for
pedestrian
open
one
of
those
and
walk
in
there
and
throw
the
trash
away
and
close
it
back
up.
F
B
I
Okay,
thank
you.
I'm
sorry,
I
had
a
little
trouble,
get
my
hand
up
there.
For
some
reason.
One
of
the
reasons
that
we
are
asking
relief
from
the
city
street
lights
is
simply
because
we're
a
nonprofit
work.
I
This
project
is
already
a
significant
financial
burden
on
the
organization
and
we're
just
really
trying
to
understand
the
logic
of
burdening
a
nonprofit
with
the
replacement
of
streetlights,
especially
if
they're
not
for
a
functional
purpose.
If
it's
just
for
aesthetics
and
so
that's
the
main
reason
is
it's
merely
financial,
and
because
we
are
nonprofit
organization.
B
B
E
B
B
F
Mike
this
is
Greg.
Can
you
refresh
my
memory
on
what
is
that
the
kicks
and
having
to
do
a
site
plan
review
an
update
when.
B
They
remove
and
replace
all
the
parking
lot.
That
is
what
is
triggered
the
that
has
triggered
the
site
plan
on
this
Jack's
point
about
it.
Being
you
know,
that's
all
they're
doing
they're
not
building
new
building
is
certainly
something
for
the
Commission
to
consider
so
much
so
Michael
Jack
again.
If
they
were
just
put
another
lift
of
asphalt
in
their
parking
lot,
we
wouldn't
meet.
Having
this
conversation
right,
there
would
not
be
a
site
plan
to
reply.
That's
tearing
up
the
pavement
and
replacing
it
that
caused
the
site
plan.
B
Jason,
can
you
confirm
that
on
the
site
plan
I'm
sorry
Greg
cut
out
on
my
end?
Could
you
repeat
your
question
Greg?
Do
you
know
if
they're
increasing,
decreasing
or
staying
the
same
on
parking
lot
area
I
believe
it's
sustained
same
and
Greg
job?
Actually,
it's
getting
smaller
because
they're
taking
a
spot
away
from
them
to
put
planting
next
to
the
tracks
record.
B
Yeah,
if
you
had
dodged
the
staff
recommendation,
there
would
be
a
reduction.
I've
got
a
Google
Streetview
up
and
you
can
see
one
pull
here,
that's
on
their
property
and
then
these
two
for
sure
and
then
possibly
hopefully
this
is
you
guys,
can
see
it
as
well.
There's
a
third
one
up
by
the
interstate
that
maybe
may
or
may
not
be
along
their
property
good.
Could
you
think
that
picture
of
the
one
just
before
this
one,
please.
B
B
And
you're,
going
across
nine
thirty
to
thirty
five
I-35
is
from
bleep
with
all
of
these
aluminum
colored
metal,
poles,
the
one
thing
or
another.
You
can
see
to
get
some
of
the
signal,
poles,
the
horizontal
poles
and
work,
and
so
on.
Yes-
and
you
know
to
my
eye
just
in
terms
of
the
aesthetics
suddenly
to
go
from
all
of
these
black
holes
up
to
all
of
the
silver
colored
poles
along
the
interstate
is
kind
of
a
dysfunctional
vision.
I
prefer
the
consistency,
quite
frankly,
of
the
street.
D
F
F
Lots
don't
seem
to
have
our
sites
don't
seem
to
have
as
descriptive
of
rules
so,
in
other
words,
I
struggle
with
and
I
understand,
staff
you're
you're
doing
the
right
thing
here:
you're
applying
the
code
but
I
struggle
with
the
fact
that
they're
basically
taken
out
put
back
with
there
they're,
not
increasing
its
size,
you're,
not
doing
those
things.
The
fact
that
they
even
had
to
go
through
a
process
I
struggle
with
that.
F
G
G
G
B
Canceling
or
postponing
two
previous
ones,
so
thank
you
for
your
patience.
A
lot
of
effort
went
into
getting
us
into
the
21st
century
on
going
digital
or
going
virtual
on
these
meetings.
This
will
probably
be
the
new
norm
as
far
as
virtual
meetings.
Hopefully
they
will
not
all
be
the
same
length.
I
would
just
want
to
thank
everyone
for
their
efforts
and
their
patience,
and
if
you
have
suggestions
on
improvements,
please
email
us,
so
we
can
try
and
make
those
for
the
next
meeting.
Everybody
stay
healthy
and
stay
safe.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.