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From YouTube: 12-3-20 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting via teleconference on Thursday, Dec. 3, 2020.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Eric
welcome
to
the
plan
and
zoning
commission
meeting.
I
will
now
read
the
rules
and
procedures.
The
plan
and
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plats.
Unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
A
515-689-9485
for
details
on
council
hearings
applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request.
If
applicants
wish
to
share
materials
not
already
submitted
with
the
application,
please
email
them
to
planning
dmgov.org,
so
a
staff
host
may
be
able
to
share
them
on
the
screen.
When
you
present
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes,
staff
has
attempted
to
compile
a
list
of
people
who
would
like
to
speak
on
each
item.
A
A
Once
permission
to
speak
is
given
to
unmute
and
mute
dial
star
6
on
your
phone.
You
will
be
required
to
give
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
prior
to
speaking.
Also,
we
ask
that
you
keep
your
microphones
and
phones
on
mute
unless
you've
been
given
the
chance
to
address
the
commission
by
the
chair.
A
A
C
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Now
we
will
have.
We
have
two
items
on
the
consent
agenda.
I'll
read
each
one
of
these:
the
request
from
814
development,
814
acquisitions,
llc
purchaser,
represented
by
samantha
copenan
officer
for
vacation
and
conveyance
of
the
following
adjoining
property
at
204
12th
street.
The
adjoining
subject:
property
is
owned
by
nationwide
mutual
insurance
company,
an
8.54
foot
by
4.5
foot
segment
of
mulberry
street
for
a
front
stoop
segments
of
right
away
with
existing
building
encroachments
on
the
adjoining
north
south
alley,
12th
street
and
mulberry
street.
A
Are
there
any
commissioners
who
would
like
to
hear
this
item?
Not
this
will
stay
on
the
consent
agenda
item
two
is
a
request
from
sitwell
llc
owner
represented
by
daniel
kelly
officer
for
review
and
approval
of
a
pud
final
development
plan.
The
village
at
gray's
lake
lot
6
on
property
located
at
2688
southwest
23rd
street
to
allow
reuse
of
the
former
classroom
building
for
commercial
office
space.
E
A
Thank
you
tyler.
We
have
two
items:
items
number
six
and
eight
that
have
requested
to
be
continued
and
I'll.
Read
those
items.
A
Is
there
anyone
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item
this
evening.
F
And
madam
chair,
this
is
bert,
drost
planner
for
the
city.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
they've
requested
this
continuance
so
that
they
can
meet
with
the
greenwood
historic
neighborhood
association
next
week,
so
they
have
requested
the
continuance
to
the
december
17th
finance
zoning
commission
meeting
agenda.
A
Anybody
on
the
commission
that
wishes
to
hear
anything
about
that
item
tonight.
If
not,
I
will
read
item
number
eight.
It
was
also
asked
for
a
continuance.
It's
a
request
from
pridecraft
custom
homes,
owner
represented
by
jason,
duran
officer
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
in
accordance
with
chapter
135
sections
135-9.2.4,
point
b
and
135-9.3.1
point
b
for
property
located
at
1416
east
36th
court
to
allow
waiver
of
public
sidewalk
installation
required
for
a
new
household
living
dwelling
required
by
chapter
135,
section.
G
Yeah,
madam
chair,
just
to
clarify
this
is
being
recommended
to
be
continued
by
city
staff
due
to
the
notification
needing
to
be
redone
based
on
something
that
was
a
clerical
oversight.
So,
in
order
to
notify
it
properly,
we
need
to
re-notice
it
for
the
december
17th
meeting.
A
E
B
G
A
H
Chair
members
of
the
commission,
jason
vanessa
with
the
city
planning
staff
here
let
me
get
my
screen
up,
so
you
can
see
here
we
go.
H
H
H
This
map
shows
is
the
future
land
use
map
kind
of
zoomed.
In
on
that
same
area,
I
can
see
the
lighter
blue
being
the
kind
of
more
of
a
business
park.
Like
there's.
Excuse
me,
industrial
designation,
with
the
the
darker
blue
being
the
kind
of
the
more
traditional
industrial
use.
H
We
do
need
to
amend
the
land
use
plan
to
residential
if
we
are
to
move
forward
with
a
rezoning
to
a
residential
use,
you
can
see
that
the
nearest
residential
land
use
designation
from
a
future
land
use
map
perspective
is
to
the
north
of
the
tracks,
photograph
of
the
subject,
property,
the
house
and
then
looking
back.
Excuse
me
towards
the
east.
H
We
have
a
site
sketch
provided
by
the
applicant,
showing
where
the
new
garage
or
accessory
building
be
located
directly
behind
the
house,
a
little
off-centered
utilized
existing
driveway.
They
did
provide
a
design
information
for
us.
We
did
not
do
a
in-depth
analysis
of
this.
Since
we're
not
you
know,
a
permit
request
hasn't
come
in,
because
the
first
step
is
to
get
zoning
in
place.
H
H
Just
staff
reports
is
included
in
your
packet
as
usual
when
these
rezoning
requests
come
through.
Our
first
focus
is
to
look
at
the
future
land
use
map,
look
at
the
goals
and
and
kind
of
the
information
within
planned,
dsm
and
base
our
recommendation
off
of
that,
and
then
also
like.
H
I
mentioned
just
some
quick
comments
on
the
design
this,
those
of
you
that
were
in
attendance
about
a
month
ago,
we
had
a
similar
discussion,
so
I
won't
go
into
a
lot
of
detail
on
you
know
the
kind
of
the
thinking
I
mean
I
showed
the
map
showed
the
industrial
uses
and
the
thought
that
over
time,
this
area
is
going
to
continue
to
move
forward
in
an
industrial
manner,
as
such
staff
believes
that
the
zoning
should
stay
in
place.
H
We
do
recognize
that
there
is
an
opportunity
to
make
a
case
for
a
variance
or
use
variance
hardship
here
with
the
residential
use
being
in
place,
and
we
think
that's
the
best
path
forward
is
for
the
applicant
to
to
go
before
the
zoning
bar
adjustment
and
get
that
use
variance
and,
as
as
you
probably
recall,
you
cannot
apply
for
a
use.
Variance
until
you've
tried
to
rezone
and
have
been
denied,
so
that's
the
applicant
can't
seek
that
remedy
until
they've
gone
through
this
process.
I
Hello
jason's
greg
is
the
applicant
aware
of
what
you
just
stated
about.
They'd
have
to
get
a
denial
from
us
in
order
to
go
to
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment.
H
I
I'm
not
sure
it
was
in
the
staff
report.
We
would
have
we
sent
that
to
them.
So
they've
had
that
information,
but
I
haven't
had
any
communication
with
them
since,
since
they
would
have
received
that
to
be
able
to
confirm
one
way.
The
other.
I
A
So
this
is
the
chair.
Is
there
anyone
here
who
wishes
to
speak
in
favor
of
this
item.
D
Is
valerie
kramer,
I'm
an
attorney
for
antonio
dominguez
and
my
current
address
is
1163
24th
street
in
des
moines
and
when
my
client
purchased
this
property,
he
purchased
it
as
his
home
and
and
then
the
city
decided
to
rezone
its
industrial.
D
So
it
is
a
hardship
and
it's
you
know
basically
pretty
unfair
and
I
it
really
should
be
rezoned
to
residential,
because
when
he
bought
it
it
was
residential
and
we
have
sent
out
notified
all
the
neighbors
on
october
21st
of
the
the
rezoning
application,
and
only
two
people
responded.
D
D
J
D
A
A
I
Hello,
this
is
greg
montya.
I
I
think
I
would
offer
for
a
discussion.
I
this
feels
very
much.
I
think
we're
going
to
have
more
and
more
of
these,
but
it
feels
like
a
use
variance
to
me.
I
A
I
I
am
not,
or
I
would
have
I'm
I'm
asking
for
any
discussion.
K
J
Madam
chair,
this
is
johnny
also
our
jason
mentioned.
We
saw
a
similar
case
perhaps
two
meetings
ago,
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
right
time,
perhaps
to
get
us
a
reminder
of
what
we
did
back
then
I
could
also
take
a
look
at
the
minutes
if
that's
that's
not
applicable
at
this
time,.
J
Yeah
jason,
if
you
recall
what
did
we,
we
had
a
similar
situation
on
yes,
the
east
side
of
des
moines
and
what
the
commission
do
and
that
okay
sure
and
now.
H
That
was
the
commission,
those
that
you
were
that
were
attendance.
Will
we
recall
that
that's
up
by
dixon,
it's
in
that
area,
where
235
kind
of
curves
and
heads
to
the
north,
south
of
guthrie
avenue,
and
so
there's
the
street
at
the
street
actual
street?
I
don't
know
if
it's,
maybe
southeast
22nd
or
I'm
excuse
me
east
22nd
somewhere
in
there,
so
that's
kind
of
the
setting
for
there.
The
commission
had
a
long
discussion
and
ultimately,
the
the
motion
that
did
get
approved
was
to
recommend
rezoning
the
property.
H
There
was
discussion
at
the
meeting
about
maybe
by
the
time
it
got
to
council
there'd,
be
you
know.
Maybe
council
might
provide
some
feedback
on
that
area
in
general
and
whether
or
not
it
the
whole
area
needs
to
be
re-looked
at
so
you
know
I
it's
a
comparable
situation
in
that
it's
how
a
residential
property
zone,
industrial
that
wants
to
construct
a
garage
that
one
was
following
some
storm
damage,
but
they
wanted
to
enlarge
it,
but
the
the.
B
J
M
A
Okay,
this
is
doria,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
the
applicant
understands
that
they
once
since
this
has
been
denied,
they
can
seek
a
use
variance
from
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment
to
allow
the
garage
to
be
constructed
and
city
staff
can
help
you
with
that.
H
Yeah
and
just
to
clarify
for
the
audience-
and
this
is
jason
vanessa
staff-
the
board
tonight
or
the
commission
was
mate-
is
formalizing
their
recommendation
of
the
city
council.
That
still
will
need
to
go
before
the
city
council
for
their
consideration
and
then
at
that
point,
if
the
council
would
not
approve
the
rezoning,
then
they
would
be
able
to
seek
the
use
variance.
A
Oh
kitty.
We're
ready
for
item
number
five
on
the
agenda.
The
applicant
is
angel,
groff
owner
the
location
is
two
2200
easton
boulevard.
The
requested
action
is
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
rezoning
is
in
conformance
with
the
plan
dsm.
Creating
our
tomorrow
comprehensive
plan,
part
b,
amendment
to
the
planned
dsm
creating
our
tomorrow
plan.
F
Hey,
madam
vice
chair,
this
is
bert
drost
planner
for
the
city
of
des
moines.
If
this
item
looks
familiar
to
any
of
you,
who've
been
on
the
commission
for
a
while.
It's
because
this
had
been
before
you
about
three
years
ago,
when
they
attempted
to
rezone
from
r160
one
family
residential
district
to
a
c2
district
and
at
which
time
that
was
denied,
and
then
they
sought
the
use
variants
to
use
the
property.
F
Here,
the
subject
property
contains
a
building,
that's
historically
been
used
for
auto
repair
and
I'll
get
to
some
photos
here
shortly.
But
first
I
wanted
to
show
you
the
plan
dsm
land
use
map,
so
you
can
see
the
subject.
Property
is
located
right
here
on
this
dot
and
easton
boulevard
is
here.
You
can
see
hubble
and
east
university
avenue
are
some
more
major
commercial
corridors,
so
the
applicant
tonight
is
requesting
an
mx3
district
which
requires
the
community
mixed
use.
Future
land
use
designation,
which
is
the
red
here.
F
So
you
can
see
that
the
city
tries
to
keep
that
designation
along
the
more
major
corridors
like
east
university
avenue
and
hubble
avenue.
So
the
property
here
is,
while
on
eastern
boulevard,
is
still
in
an
area
designated
primarily
as
low
density
residential
and,
as
I
mentioned
back
in
early
2018,
they
were
denied
the
rezoning.
F
So
they
had
to
go
to
the
board
of
adjustment
to
get
this
use
variant,
so
they
have
been
using
it
for
the
past
couple
years
as
a
tire
repair
shop
and
the
applicant
is
now
wanting,
I
think,
she's
losing
her
tenant
and
she's
wanting
to
lease
it
to
a
new
tenant.
Who
would
use
it
for
car
repair
and
for
car
sales.
F
F
You
can
see
that
she
has
done
some
side
improvements,
she's
added
some
landscaping
and
she
pulled
the
paving
back
from
the
front
property
lines
in
order
to
provide
some
sort
of
some
buffering.
This
is
the
back
side
of
the
property,
better
view
and
moving
down
eastern
boulevard.
You
can
see
there's
two
pro
two
buildings
on
the
property
that
were
built
for
the
auto
repair
type
uses
and
as
far
as
our
staff
recommendation
goes,
as
I
kind
of
alluded
to
this
city
prefers
to
keep
that
community
mixed-use
designation
along
the
more
major
commercial
corridors.
F
So
we
don't
feel
that
that's
an
appropriate
amendment
for
this
property.
As
we
discussed
with
a
previous
item,
we
feel
a
use
variance
would
be
more
suited
for
the
situation,
so
we
have
recommended
denial
of
both
the
land
use
planned
amendment
and
the
rezoning,
and
we
had
two
comment
cards
come
back.
One
was
from
the
accent
neighborhood,
the
others
from
the
fairmont
park.
Neighborhood
accent
is
actually
located
across
the
street
to
the
south
from
the
subject
property.
So
the
subject.
F
F
F
N
I
would
like
to
request
to
have
vehicle
repair
and
also
vehicle
cells,
some
vehicle
sale
on
that
property,
because
right
now
is
hardship
and
I
lost.
N
N
I
at
this
point
I'm
asking
you
to
to
help
to
accept
me
to
to
do
the
car
repair
and
also
vehicle
sale.
N
A
A
Okay
carol,
would
you
like
to
speak
state
your
name
and
address,
please
sure.
O
My
name
is
carol
maher
m-a-h-e-r-1510
center
street
des
moines
iowa,
I
drove
by
this
property
today
and
I
was
reviewing
all
the
litany
of
requirements
that
have
been
requested
in
the
past
and
it
there
were
vehicles
that
were
not
parked
in
parking
spots.
The
cars
were
sort
of
a
strip.
You
know
you
know
here
and
there
it's
haphazard
and
the
buildings
are
in
in
not
very
attractive
shape
and
I
don't
live
in
that
area.
But
if
I
did,
I
don't
think
I'd.
A
If
not
the
applicant,
would
you
like
a
chance
to
for
a
rebuttal
to
address
carol's
comments.
F
Angel
one
last
time
we
can't
unmute
you
so
there
you
go,
can
can
you
hear.
N
N
N
C
Okay
thanks,
I
thought
that
the
zoning
shown
on
university
and
hubble
that
that
staff
had
shown
were
really
quite
persuasive
in
terms
of
of
land
use
and
also
the
aerial
photos
that
were
shown
in
the
neighborhood
in
question,
which,
from
the
air
and
also
from
the
you
know,
street,
is
a
very
residential
feeling
in
neighborhood.
C
So
I,
like
this
previous
request,
would
think
that
the
appropriate
thing
to
do
would
be
to
go
along
with
staff
recommendation
and
deny
the
rezoning
and
then
suggest
that
the
applicant
go
to
zoning
board
of
adjustment
for.
A
Relief,
thank
you.
Will
any
other,
commissioner
like
to
make
a
comment.
I
Well,
this
greg
watson.
I
would
support
what
will
is
saying.
B
A
Thank
you,
tyler
we're
now
ready
for
agenda
item
number
seven
and
I
will
read
that
the
applicant
is
savannah
homes,
inc
owner,
represented
by
ted
grove
officer,
3341,
east
24th,
street
jason,
mullen
owner
3335,
east
24th
street
and
caitlyn
scene
sign
owner,
3323,
east
24th
street.
A
G
Madam
chair
I'll
give
the
staff
report
first
and
then,
oh
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry,
then
we
will
move
to
the
applicant.
This
is
eric
lundy
senior
city
planner.
This
is
coming
by
way
of
of
a
initiative
that
kind
of
crosses
over
between
the
previous
code
and
the
new
code,
where
the
the
developer
purchased
the
property
subdivided
already
about
18
months
ago,
and
it's
actually
comp
I'm
going
to
show
you
the
maps
which
show
each
of
the
parcels
but
they're
all
adjoining
each
other
and
part
of
the
same
plot
that
that
occurred.
G
Chapter
106,
dictates
the
plat
requirements
and
and
provides
the
requirement
for
installation
of
sidewalk,
typically
under
the
previous
code
that
occurred
as
part
of
each
separate
building
permit
this
property.
That
that's
highlighted
here
got
a
permit
under
the
previous
code,
and
so
did
this
property
as
well,
then,
the
third
property
which
is
still
owned
by
the
developer
savannah
homes
that
was
then
subject
to
when
that
permit
was
pulled.
G
It
was
subject
to
the
requirements,
also
in
chapter
135,
so
in
addition
to
the
planning
provisions,
in
this
case,
this
one
also
has
to
seek
relief
of
chapter
135,
where
sidewalk
is
required.
G
This
is
a
photo
looking
south
along
east
24th
street.
This
is
the
first
house
that
was
built
on
where
my
cursor
is
there's
a
large
tree
in
the
right
of
way.
If,
if
I
zoom
in,
you
might
be
able
to
see
a
survey
stake
in
this
area,
that
is
essentially
gives
you
reference
to
the
curb
and
where
the
property
line
actually
rests
along
those.
G
This
is
looking
north
at
the
cul-de-sac
and
at
the
where
it
curves
around
in
front
of
you
can
see
my
shadow,
I'm
actually
taking
the
photo
standing
in
the
driveway
of
the
second
house
to
the
it's
in
the
middle
lot
and
panning
to
the
right.
You
can
see
the
new
the
north
house
under
construction
currently.
G
G
This
shows
where
the
sidewalk
terminates
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
street,
and
if
you
want
me
to
go
back
to
the
aerial
photo,
I
can
kind
of
show
that,
where
that
is
as
well,
this
is
standing
in
this
cul-de-sac
kind
of
looking
south
again
on
east
24th
street,
to
give
you
flavor
of
how
much
right
away
there
is
there
on
the
bulb,
looking
at
the
the
most
to
two
most
recent
houses.
Actually,
you
can
see
all
three
of
the
new
houses
in
the
in
the
photo,
and
then
this
is
more
directly.
G
G
Again,
the
application
shows
the
what
was
submitted
for
the
permits
with
the
platts
of
survey
information
at
the
time.
None
of
these
actually
showed
the
sidewalk
on
the
on
the
documentation
provided
for
the.
G
Permits
these
are
communications
from
the
owners
indicating
that
they
are
in
support
of
waiver
of
the.
G
G
G
G
G
Move
dsm
seeking
to
get
complete
streets
sidewalks
on
on
streets
for
pedestrian
circulation
in
neighborhoods.
So
from
staff's
perspective,
we
did
look
at
that
and
we
consulted
with
our
engineering
inspection
supervisor
for
sidewalks
regarding
the
feasibility
or
the
or
the
you
know,
the
physical
challenges
that
might
be
met.
Certainly
some
have
been
pointed
out
and
if,
if
you
need
to
go
back
to
the
photos,
there's
definitely
things
such
as
trees
and
the
requirement
to
probably
build
new
approaches
and
and
report
some
of
the
of
the
driveways.
G
In
order
to
make
that
this
possible
at
this
point
and
then
connecting
to
the
south,
is
going
to
be
somewhat
of
a
challenge
due
to
grade,
but
in
staff's
analysis.
We
believe
that
that
that
can
be
achieved
even
with
some
expense.
G
It's
not
a
insurmountable
task,
so
we're
recommending
that
the
requested
waiver
be
denied
understanding
that
there's
there's
an
argument
to
be
made
about
the
practical
challenges
and
knowing
that
we
would
consider
that
if
that
was
the
case,
then
we
would
recommend
that
they
provide
some
alternate
sidewalk
on
the
west
side
of
east
24th
street.
G
Extending
from
that
terminus
that
you
saw
in
the
photos
85
feet
to
the
north,
where
there
would
be
an
access,
accessible,
ramp
connection,
that
should
say
on
the
new
terminus
new
tournaments
terminus
to
the
grade
of
the
street
cul-de-sac,
and
they
offered
a
sketch
here.
That
kind
of
showed
a
further
extension
of
that
this
doesn't
represent
85
feet.
I
think
it.
G
The
same
concept
would
be
pushed
a
little
further
up
into
this
area,
where
our
engineering
staff
believed
it
was
more
appropriate
with
coming
into
the
cul-de-sac
at
grade
with
the
at
the
best
locations.
So
that's
where
the
85
feet
comes
from.
It
was
based
on
an
analysis
by
our
engineering
staff
as
to
where
that
would
most
appropriately
occur.
G
C
Madam
sure
this
is
will
page.
I
have
a
question
please
eric
and
the
the
aerial
that
we
received
in
our
packet.
It
wasn't
clear
how
extensive
the
sidewalk
is
on
the
west
side
of
east
24th
street.
G
Yeah
and
unfortunately,
I
apologize
moving
out
here,
the
the
east-west
cross
street
is
just
south
of
what
the
ariel
shows
here.
So
there's
this
property
here
is
on
the
corner
facing
the
east
west
street
there,
which
I
believe
I'm
trying
to
remember
what
it
is.
G
If
it's
emma
or
it's
not
emma,
I'm
sorry,
I
would
have
to
go
back
and
and
look
at
the
ariel
but
again
there's
sidewalk
on
the
west,
I'm
going
to
see
if
I
can
zoom
in
a
little
bit
here
in
in
the
the
as
you
can
see,
I'm
sorry,
it's
east
tiffin,
so
here's
you
can
see,
there's
sidewalk
on
east
tiffin
and
on
the
south
side
of
east
tiffen
and-
and
I
know
that
the
parcel
lines
kind
of
covered
up
it's
on
the
west
side
of
east
24th.
G
G
What
you
see
here
is
the
cut
that
was
made
for
the
utility
connections
to
the
public
utilities
on
the
west
side
of
the
street,
because
they
were
initially
extended
to
this
area
because
of
the
original
flat
would
have
continued
north
through
the
where
the
freeway
interchanges,
but
this
is
this-
is
now
the
terminus
of
east
24th
street.
So
while
the
utilities
were
laid
here
historically
that
causes
that
street
cut,
so
this
84
feet
would
go.
G
You
know
up
into
here
somewhere
where
it
could
get
well
within
the
bulb
and
not
at
the
throat
and
have
a
a
good,
accessible
ramp
spot
there.
You
might
see
kids,
riding
bicycles
and
things
on
these
sidewalks
and
and
having
a
accessible
ramp
into
the
bulb
would
would
be
recommended
by
our
engineering
staff.
You
know
to
allow
that
type
of
activity
to
occur,
so
people
could
turn
around
in
the
in
the
bulb
and
then
get
back
into
the
sidewalk
if
necessary.
C
Yes,
yeah
just
to
follow
up,
given
the
the
cul-de-sac
configuration
of
the
street
and
the
fact
that
there
is
limited
access
to
it.
I
can't
imagine
there's
much
vehicular
traffic
on
that
stretch.
Is
that
correct.
K
G
This
is
eric
again,
it's
conceivable
that
that
could
occur
at
some
point
in
the
future
if
the
church
or
this
retirement
living
campus
and
some
right
away
were
assembled
to
make
that
happen.
I
think
it's
conceivable
that
one
house
could,
I
think,
there's
some
challenges
there
with
utilities
with
that
a
little
bit,
but
it's.
J
So
eric
a
quick
question
for
eric,
hey
eric,
it
sounds
like
there
is
a
sidewalk
on
the
west
side
of
east
24th
and
then
on
the
north
side
of
tiffin
to
the
south.
What
about
the
south
side
of
tiffany?
Do
you
happen
to
know
if
there's
also
sidewalk
yeah.
G
G
The
the
the
line,
the
boundary
lines
are
covering
it
up,
but
I
I
believe
there
is
some
on
the
south
side
of
it
extends
on
the
south
side
and
the
north
side
of
tiffen,
and
I
could
have
bird
or
jason
check.
You
know
check
on
that
by
getting
on
the
map
system
and
and
turning
that
off.
If
that's
critical,
to
have
a
know
for
a
fact
from
what
again
you're
I'm
seeing
bits
of
it
underneath
this
blue
line
here.
J
G
Yeah
I
mean
there's,
there's
you
know
little
pockets
like
this
here
and
there,
but
for
the
most
part
this
is
a
you
know.
This
has
a
pretty
extensive
network.
This
is
a
little
different
than
some
of
the
ones
you've
seen
in
previous
meetings,
where
they're
you
know
thousands
of
feet
away
from
sidewalk
network.
L
G
Yeah
I
mean
we're,
we
have
the
you
know,
understanding
of
how
the
commission
has
looked
at
these,
and
so
we're
we're
saying
that
if,
if
the
commission
is
looking
to
waive
it
that
we
would
still
ask
for
that
as
an
alternative
but
our.
But
our
initial
recommendation
is
to
you
know,
deny
this
and
then
and
just
have
them
put
in,
as
you
know,
they
they
would
typically
be
put
in,
but.
G
I
mean
not
likely
not
likely
and,
of
course
you
know
making
that
point.
You're
also
likely
not
to
have
anybody
maintaining
that
you
know
it
would
come
down
to
those
owners.
You
know
taking
it
upon
themselves
to
to
shovel
a
walk
across
the
street,
basically,
okay,
but
yeah
that
would
that
would
be
the
downside
of
it
in
the
wintertime.
Is
that,
but
in
that
case
you
know,
I'm
not
sure
that
the
pedestrian
movement
is
is
critical
during
those
periods
of
time
either,
but
it's
still
better
than
not
having
any
walk.
You
know
at
all.
L
L
G
Adam
chair,
I
believe
that
the
the
applicants
are
here
on
the
owners
are
all
on
this
evening
to
be
able
to
speak
to
this
tunes.
A
Thank
you
eric
could
one
of
the
applicants
come
forward
and
state
your
name
and
address.
G
Yes
and
you'll
have
to
unmute
yourself
ted
this.
C
Q
Okay,
I'd
like
to
make
a
couple
comments.
If
I
may
eric,
can
you
go
back
and
show
that
picture
in
front
of
that
last
house
with
the
tree
in
front
of
it.
Q
Again,
yes,
one
of
the
issues
here
is:
we've
we're
desperately
trying
to
save
this
beautiful
tree
and
if,
if
we
go
between
the
sidewalk,
the
the
tree
and
the
street,
I'm
told
we'll
kill
the
tree.
Q
Tearing
them
out.
I'm
not
sure
is
something
we
can
do.
We
don't
own
the
properties
right
now,
the
two
buyers
that
we
have
on
the
properties.
Q
I
think
the
solution
we
would
be
willing
to
go
across
the
street
and
put
in
the
85
feet
in
a
handicap.
Ramp
would
be
better
for
all.
Q
A
Thank
you
ted.
Do
you
have
any
other
comments
for
us.
Q
Q
G
G
A
R
Is
mullen?
Yes,
okay,
so
it's
the
middle
house
on
the
images
we've
been
seeing,
I
kind
of
agree
with
ted
on
this
one.
I
absolutely
agree
with
ted
on
this
one.
First
off,
I
guess
I
mean
we
don't
want
to
sidewalk
it.
It
doesn't
seem
like
a
like
a
major
point,
especially
with
the
one
across
the
street
and
the
owners
across
the
street,
taking
care
of
that
extended
walkway
and
that
extended
lot.
R
It
seems
like
an
obvious
option
for
us
to
just
go
across
the
street
and
that
85
feet
sounds
perfect
and
then
that
tree
is
the
only
one
on
this
side
of
the
property.
So
if
we
end
up
accidentally
losing
that
bid,
we've
lost
quite
a
bit
of
quite
a
bit
of
history
there.
I
guess-
and
I
mean
it
makes,
makes
kind
of
kaitlyn's
house
look
even
that
much
better
and
then
it
adds
a
little
appeal
to
mine,
which
is
obviously
something
we
want
to
keep
so
yeah.
A
Thank
you,
jason.
Is
there
anyone
else
who
wishes
to
speak
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
S
A
A
Is
there
anyone
that
is
here
to
speak
in
opposition
to
the
request.
G
A
Okay,
then,
if
there
isn't,
we
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
I'll
ask
commissioners
to
share
their
thoughts.
C
Madam
chair,
this
is,
will
page,
I
think,
abby's
question
was
a
good
one
talking
about
the
possibility
at
the
head
of
the
cul-de-sac
possible
development,
and
you
know
if
that
ever
were
to
occur.
C
That
would
be
the
time
it
would
seem
to
me
to
extend
the
sidewalk
along
the
cul-de-sac
somewhere
or
another
up
there
to
the
north.
In
the
meantime,
quite
frankly,
I
found
the
developer's
proposal
and
willingness
to
compromise
with
this
85-foot
sidewalk
on
the
west
side
of
the
of
the
street,
a
very
compelling
solution
to
the
problem.
A
Thank
you
will
I
I
tend
to
agree
with
you
as
well.
K
Yeah,
this
is
abby
again,
I
agree
with
will
and
while
I'm
usually
very
much
in
support
of
the
move,
dsm
plan
and
for
putting
in
sidewalks
whenever
possible,
I
do
think
these
properties
were
built
and
when
it
wasn't
required
to
have
sidewalks
and
the
site
challenges,
I
think
are
a
little
too
much
and
there
is
sidewalk
on
the
west
side
of
east
24th.
K
A
P
C
I'll
make
a
motion.
Thank
you
to
move
the
waiver
of
the
sidewalk
requirement
on
the
east
side
of
the
street
and
to
accept
the
developer's
recommendation
and
agreement
to
build
the
sidewalk
85
feet
farther
to
the
north
on
the
west
side
of
the
street,
as
proposed
here
in
the
staff
recommendation.
As
an
alternative.
A
L
K
K
E
A
Thank
you
tyler.
We
have
one
final
agenda
item
tonight:
item
number
nine:
the
applicant
is
37
50
llc
owner
represented
by
kate
miller
officer.
The
location
is
3750
grand
avenue.
The
requested
action
is
the
review
and
approval
of
a
pud
final
development
plan
at
3750
on
grand
to
allow
for
redevelopment
of
the
existing
vacant.
First
church
of
christ,
science,
with
demolition
of
a
portion
and
addition
of
an
eight-story
42-unit
residential
condominium
tower
with
two
levels
being
indoor
parking.
H
H
The
commission
might
remember
hearing
the
rezoning
requests
for
this
late
last
year.
So
tonight
you,
you
know
we
refer
to
these
as
pud
development
plans,
but
what
that
really
means
to
most
is
it's
a
site
plan
and
building
elevations,
so
we're
we're
not
discussing
uses
that
was
established
by
their
pud
and
I'll
show
that
document
just
to
refresh
everybody's
memory
of
what
we
saw
a
few
months
back,
but
anyway,
you
can
see
the
all
the
building
there.
Some
of
it's
been
demolished
already,
there's
a
photograph.
H
H
The
only
variation
from
this
has
to
do
with
the
driveway
off
of
grand
avenue,
shifting
that
towards
the
east
and
getting
it
out
of
the
alignment
of
the
front
entrance.
I
think
that's
an
improvement
and
you'll
see
you'll
see
that
when
we
keep
flipping
forward.
H
The
other
kind
of
change
to
note
is
that
the
dark
gray
box
to
the
south
of
the
tower
previously
that
was
thought
of
as
being
of
an
open
carport
and
the
concept
now
is
to
actually
enclose
that
into
a
garage
space
photograph
or
excuse
me
not
photographs,
but
building
elevations
from
from
the
file.
Just
what
you
saw
previously
just
to
put
that
in
the
back
of
your
mind,
what's
been
approved
and
then
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
jump
to,
I
think
the
easiest
sheet
to
work
from
is
the
landscaping
sheet.
H
H
H
H
I
guess
one
thing
I
would
hit
on
is
the
drainage
and
grading.
There
is
a
bio
retention
basin.
That's
proposed
in
the
southern
part
kind
of
south
of
that
one
parking
lot.
That
was
what
was
identified
with
the
pud
conceptual
plan,
so
no
changes
there.
H
I
noted
the
changes
with
the
card
report
in
the
drive.
Those
were
kind
of
the
higher
level
things
that
came
out
in
our
review.
We
are
recommending
approval.
I
just
subject
to
compliance
with
all
administrative
reviewer.
Excuse
me
review
requirements,
that's
very
standard
language.
We
have
a
lot
of
little
different
details
that
we're
working
with
them
on.
We
just
want
to
have
the
opportunity
to
keep
doing
that
and
make
sure
that
they
comply
with
kind
of
the
basic
standards
and
requirements.
H
This
is
the
notice
map.
We
did
not
get
any
formal
responses.
We
did
have
some
questions
that
were
sent
to
us
about
whether
or
not
they
were
changing
the
uses
that
were
allowed.
There
was
a
little
bit
of
confusion
if
this
was
a
rezoning
or
just
a
site
plan
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
I
know
the
applicant
team
is
here
and
ready
to
answer
questions
as
well.
H
Okay,
hi
jason:
this
is
brad
hardman,
hartman,
trap,
architecture,
studio.
T
No,
I
know
kate
miller
is
on
as
well,
so
she
may
jump
in
as
the
owners
were
up
for
it,
but
yeah.
If,
if
anyone
has
any
questions,
madam
chairman
and
committee,
please
let
us
know
and
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
them.
A
Are
there
any
questions
from
the
commissioners.
T
It
looks
like
this
is
brad
hartman
again
it
looks
like
can't
unmute
so.
H
I
just
hold
on
a
second
we'll,
give
a
louder
talk
there,
you
go
kate.
If
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
unmute
yourself,
you
can
obviously
talk
now.
M
M
The
project
has
been
off
to
a
really
good
start,
very
successful
with
sales
and
and
getting
through
these
final
steps
of
working
through
the
city
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions
I
remember
being
in
the
meeting
with
you
guys
a
year
ago,
and
we
were
allowed
on
the
agenda
then
too,
but
that
meeting
took
a
much
much
longer
in.
U
A
H
A
Asking
I
forgot
any
questions,
so
is
there
anyone
who
has
any
that
wishes
to
speak
in
opposition
or
express
concerns
about
the
application.
O
This
is
carol
maher
1510
center
street.
I
don't
have
opposition
or
concerns,
but
I
was
hoping
that
the
applicant
could
entertain
a
question
or
two
from
the
community
at
this
time.
O
If
that's
okay,
I
and
I
apologize.
I
know
that
this
has
been
going
on
for
a
long
time,
but
I'm
a
relatively
new
resident
of
des
moines.
I
rode
by
the
property
the
other
day
and
I'm
I'm
big
on
sustainability
and
biking,
and
I
I
was
wondering
if
I
noticed
that
you
have
a
couple
of
bike:
parking
bike,
rack
parking
for
guests
and
and
you're
really
loaded
up
for
parking
garage
parking
and
parking
ramp
spaces
for
residents.
M
Am
I
a
student,
am
I
muted,
or
can
you
yeah
there
actually
is
a
within
the
yes
within
our
parking
garage
we
have
a
bike
garage.
Actually,
so
there's
ample
bike
parking
inside
also
in
there
is
the
bike.
Maintenance
kit,
you've
seen
the
poles
that
have
the
different
contraptions
to
for
bike
repairs,
and
then
we
also
have
a
wash
station.
So
if
someone
is
out
for
a
bike
ride
and
they
come
in,
they
can
hose
down
there
by
tires
or
whatever.
M
So
we've
got
a
nice
area
designated
for
bike
enthusiasts
or
even
just
casual
cyclists.
O
Rock
on
that's
awesome
because
they
do
have
easy
accessibility
to
the
trails
from
there
yeah.
Also
the
price
point
that
you're
marketing
these
units
at
are,
you
know
more
than
I
could
afford,
but
a
lot
of
these
folks,
I
think,
would
be
interested
in
owning
electric
vehicles,
automotive,
automobiles,
are
you
providing
charging
stations
or
charging
facilities.
M
Yes,
we
are
also
within
the
parking
garage
and
brad.
You
can
probably
speak
better
to
the
number
or
the
voltage
and
capability
for
install
in
the
parking
garage,
great.
T
Yes,
can
everyone
hear
me?
T
Yes,
okay,
great
yeah,
so
the
parking
garage
you're
exactly
right,
a
number
of
bucks
not
only
right
now,
either
have
a
hybrid
car
or
electric
car
or
in
the
next
five
years
plan
to
inevitably
get
one.
So
the
parking
ramp
itself
is
sized
amperage
wise
for
electricity
to
be
provided
in
50
of
the
cars
and
because
different
people
have
different
plug-ins.
T
O
Okay,
that's
great
thanks
for
being
forward
thinking
on
that,
because
let's
keep
going
forward
on
electric
vehicles,
yay
and
then
just
one
final
thing:
are
you
putting
solar
panels
on
the
roof.
T
No
actually
yeah,
they
looked
at
the
amount.
The
the
square
footage
of
the
space
of
the
on
the
roof-
and
it
was
studied,
definitely
was
as
part
of
it,
the
benefit
for
what
the
panels
were.
Providing
with
that
long.
Skinny
footprint
made
it
very
very
difficult
to
rationalize
out,
but
they
could
always
be
added
in
the
future
too.
O
T
M
H
Chair
we
did
have
we
have
another
audience
member
that
would
like
to
speak.
H
H
I'm
lee
I'm
going
to
lower
your
hand
and
hit
the
raise
hand
function.
If
you
can
hear
us
and
you're
trying
to
talk.
H
Chair,
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure
if,
if
lee's
having
technical
difficulties
but
lee
one
last
time,
can
you
hit
the
raise
hand
function
to?
Let
us
know
that
you
can
hear
us.
A
Okay,
is
there
anyone
else
to
speak
in
opposition
or
express
concerns
for
the.
A
A
I
G
Madam
chair,
we
have
another
individual,
joseph
lakers,
that's
raising
their
hand,
and
I
know
we
closed
the
hearing.
Is
there
any?
Are
you
willing
to
listen
to
them
or
is
it
too
late?
After
closing,
the
hearing.
A
H
V
H
This
is
the
finalized
site
plan,
just
the
development
was
approved
previously
with
regard
to
zoning
and
the
overall
concept
and
position
of
the
building.
This
just
finalizes
kind
of
the
more
like
the
engineering
and
design
details.
Does
that
answer
the
question.
A
A
P
K
E
B
A
Thank
you
tyler.
Now
we
have
any
committee
and
directors
reports
and
it's
that
time
of
year
to
form
a
nominations,
committee
and
I'd
like
to
say
thank
you
to
will
page
for
sending
that
reminder
out
today.
So
the
number
for
those
of
you
who
are
new,
we
form
a
nominations
committee
to
nominate
officers
for
the
coming
year.
A
E
A
Great,
thank
you.
I
think
three
are
enough,
so
thank
you,
carolyn
lisa
and
emily,
and
I
don't
know
if
staff,
if
you
have
any
other
reports
for
this
evening,.
A
Well,
thank
you
and
thank
everyone.
I'm
sorry,
jan
fried
could
not
be
with
us
this
evening.
Her
father
passed
away
yesterday
so
wanted
to
let
you
know
so.
We
will
see
you
all
at
our
next
meeting
on
december
17th.