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From YouTube: 10-4-21 City Council work session
Description
Des Moines City Council morning work session on Monday, Oct. 4, 2021.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
A
Good
morning,
everybody
welcome
to
our
council
workshop
for
october.
4Th
we've
got
two
items
on
the
agenda
this
morning.
Recycling
contract
changes
in
the
stormwater
ordnance
update
scott
I'll
quickly.
Kick
it
over
to
you.
B
C
B
Also
stormwater
ordnance
changes,
both
of
which
give
jonathan
gaino
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
him
so
I'll
turn
it
over
jonathan.
D
D
This
is
principally
driven
by
the
fact
that
our
privately
owned
processor
will
be
closing
down
their
single
stream
recycling
operations
and
we've
been
a
party
to
a
a
process
for
a
long
time
to
essentially
do
a
reverse
privatization
of
the
recycling
processing,
with
feasibility
studies
and
other
things
that
started
in
concert
between
the
city
of
des
moines
and
the
metro
waste
authority.
As
far
back
as
the
fall
of
2016.
D
D
On
november
20
november,
1st
of
this
year,
I'll
be
joined
midstream
here
in
my
presentation
by
mr
mccoy
from
the
metro
waste
authority,
we
will
face
some
modest
increased
costs
for
hauling
to
that
location,
a
cash
expense
of
an
additional
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
year
in
fuel
to
deliver
there
and
a
modest
increase
from
our
current
eighty
dollars
per
ton
to
an
expected
eighty
five
dollars
per
ton
in
terms
of
a
processing
fee.
We
are
still
working
on
how
we
handle
revenue
share.
There
are
both.
D
D
Some
it's
not
nearly
as
healthy
as
they
were
say,
seven
or
eight
years
ago,
when
a
bale
of
a
ton
of
paper
was
a
hundred
dollars
per
per
ton.
But
it's
not
as
bad
as
they
were
three
years
ago,
where
a
bale
of
a
ton
of
paper
was
worth
negative
five
dollars.
D
D
That
is,
and
remains
the
key
challenge
for
des
moines,
and
that's
why
there
is
a
difference
between
the
85
dollars,
a
ton
for
the
for
the
recyclables
in
the
blue
carts
in
the
des
moines
community
versus
what
what
would
be
expected
to
be
78,
a
ton
for
the
suburban
members
of
curbet,
because
we
have
a
lot
more
contamination
in
our
carts,
a
something
that
we've
been
working
on
for
several
years
and
and
finally
resolved
to
what
is
the
best
practices
promoted
by
the
recycling
partnership
as
a
nationwide
consortium
of
parties
in
the
recycling
business
of
actually
doing
curbside
checks
and
leaving
behind
what
are
called
oops
tags
that
are
both
informative
and
instructive
and
corrective?
D
We
started
that
in
2018
and
I
and
we've
we've
published
some
of
the
most
interesting
results
of
that
on
our
social
media.
If
you've
been
following
those
but
stepped
it
up
into
full-scale
production
last
year
with
the
with
ipads
that
are
gps
tagged.
So
we
can
document
in
live
in
real
time
and
shove
into
the
database,
the
problem
when
it
was
and
what
it
was
that
was
that
was
sorted
and
then
also
step
up
successive
actions
based
on
what
that
what
that
inspector
found.
D
So
we
this
year
was
our
first
full
year
with
two
solid
waste
interns
working
for
most
of
the
summer,
popping
lids
on
recycling
carts
and
where
they
found
problems
leaving
behind
instructional
tags.
Those
that
that
every
single
cart
that
gets
inspected
gets
a
tag,
ideally
we'd
like
to
leave
behind
100
percent.
The
flip
side
of
it
is
the
of
the
ups
tag.
Is
the
good
side
inviting
them
to
you
know
letting
them
know.
D
Their
cart
was
inspected,
they
passed
and
they
that
their,
but
their
load
was,
was
taken
away,
but
unfortunately,
sometimes
we
have
to
leave
the
other
side
up
with
with
what
was
noted
as
the
items
that
were
rejection
by
far
the
most
common
contamination
item
in
our
carts
is
plastic
bags
and,
interestingly,
the
metro
waste
authorities.
D
Machinery
we'll
be
able
to
to
defeat
those
in
a
way
that
our
private
processor
cannot
and
pizza
boxes
is
number
two
grease
contaminated
pizza
boxes
is
the
the
number
two
item
in
there,
but
that's
by
no
means
the
only
source
of
contamination,
and
were
that
the
case,
we
would
be
in
a
very
different
situation
in
terms
of
tonnage,
but
we
end
up
getting
a
lot
of
extra
stuff
put
into
the
recycle
bin.
That's
clearly
not
recyclable
and
it's
oftentimes
heavy
stuff
or
items
that
are
completely
recyclable.
D
F
Right,
you
mentioned
the
pizza
box
thing
and
what
what
do
you
do?
I
mean
what
what
do
we
do
as
as
far
as
education
goes,
because
that
right
there
I
had
no
idea
that
pizza
boxes
don't
go
in
there,
and
so,
if.
F
G
D
Do
not,
and
that's
part
of
what
we'll
be
looking
at
as
our
next
phase,
still
kind
of
in
its
infancy.
Trying
to
get
a
and
this
contract
set
up
as
an
intermediate
step
towards
a
more
full-fledged
participation
in
the
education
assets
that
the
metro
waste
authority
brings
to
the
whole
community
in
a
way
that
we're
not
able
to
access.
Now.
F
D
Yes,
that
would
be
something
that
we
need
to
sort
out.
That
will
take
more
time
than
we
have
between
now
and
november
1st,
and
an
expectation
that
that
that
we
will
be
able
to
come
to
an
an
understanding
for
what
the
next
level
of
recycling
okay
looks
like
and
that
that
can
help,
though
I
would
wager
that
the
person
putting
car
parts
in
their
recycle
bin
knows
that's
not
recyclable.
D
E
So
when
we
do
when
we
do
the
audits,
I
mean
a
lot
of
the
examples
that
you
just
showed.
All
you
have
to
do
is
lift
up
the
lid
and
it's
very
clear.
But
what
about
the
stuff
that
is
below
a
layer
of
paper
and
boxes
like
are?
We
are
we
catching
that
in
our
audits?
Are
we
just
lifting
the
lid
and
we're
getting
the
most
obvious
versus
there's?
I
mean
plastic
bags
can
be
anywhere
in
there
and
they
can.
D
Yeah
absolutely
correct
the
in
the
curb
audit
inspection
is
just
pop,
the
lid
and
look
because
we
don't
want
people
reaching
in
and
handling
handling
the
solid
waste.
I
would
submit
that
the
the
contamination
that
I
am
more
concerned
about,
because
it
weighs
more,
is
the
the
kind
of
stuff
that
that
I
mean
it
takes
a
lot
of
plastic
bags
to
equal
one
shot
back
and
and
machinery
can
can
defeat
plastic
bags
as
a
contamination
source.
D
C
D
E
Right
it
which
100
percent
makes
sense
to
start
from
a
focus
perspective,
but
I
I
guess
my
concern
is
because
I
don't
think
that's
going
to
fully
fix
our
contamination
problem
right
like
we
get
all
the
big
stuff
out.
We
still
have
that
next
layer
of
contamination-
and
I
don't-
I
don't-
have
a
sense
of
how
big
a
problem
that
piece
is,
and
we
obviously
don't
need
to
fix
that
today.
D
D
I
I
would
dearly
love
to
get
the
big,
dumb
heavy
stuff
tamed
as
a
higher
priority,
because
it
we
just
pay
more
for
bad
recycling
intentionally
bad
recycling,
as
opposed
to
the
wish
full
kind
of
ignorantly
contaminating
the
the
cart
with
something
that's
not
recyclable
in
the
in
the
final
analysis.
Yeah,
that's
that's,
I
think,
our
next
level
and
and
when
we're
working
on
a
solution
to
also
help
that
too.
D
C
D
Not
though,
a
problem
that's
isolated
to
one
corner
of
town
or
particular
neighborhoods,
we
see
cart
failures
in
each
of
the
four
wards.
You
see
the
pink
boxes.
There
are
the
first
time
visits.
The
green
triangles
are
the
second
time
visits
and
we
don't
show
on
this
map,
but
I
have
another
one
that
shows
what
happens
when
we
have
a
third
visit.
That
also
fails,
but
it's
it's
fails.
D
The
inspection
and
each
time
they've
been
left
a
an
oops
tag
that
that
that
marks
what
was
rejected
and
what
was
rejected,
was
visible
only
on
that
top
layer
when
they
lift
the
lid,
but
we've
had
a
with
thousands
of
curbside
inspections
done
for
the
last
several
months,
had
a
total
of
136
homes
had
their
recycling
privileges
completely
removed,
and
we
have
a
documentary
database
that
shows
what
what
the
cause
of
each
of
their
inspection
failures
was,
and
so
you
can
see
the
map
here,
it's
it's
again
in
all
four
corners
of
all
four
awards
and
and
it's
something
that
that
is.
F
D
D
C
D
Education
that
goes
along
with
each
one
of
those
strikes.
It
would
be
it's
more
often
than
not
going
to
be
someone
that
is
just
not
interested
in
recycling
correctly,
and
then
we
we
removed
their
privileges
as
136
out
of
68
000
customers.
So
it's
it's
a
small
percentage,
but
I
I
think,
as
we
chip
away
at
the
the
bad
recycling,
the
deliberately
bad
recycling
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
make
good
progress
towards
cleaning
up
the
stream
overall,
next
up
I'll,
introduce
mr
mccoy
with
metro
waste.
G
Jonathan,
I
got
one
question
on
the
people
that
you
take
the
card
away
from:
what's
to
stop
them
from
going
to
the
neighbors
bin
and
tossing
stuff
in
there.
D
I
mean
technically
nothing,
but
that's
that
requires
at
least
treading
on
someone
else's
ability
or
potential
ability
to.
G
D
G
D
D
I
Load
this
up,
if
it's
okay
with
the
council,
the
mayor
may
have
leslie
address
councilman
mandelbaum's.
J
Deputy
director
at
metro
waste
authority,
good
questions
about
contamination.
Nationally
speaking,
you
know,
you're,
never
gonna
get
to
that
zero
percent
contamination
rate
that
we
all
look
at,
and
so
the
thought
that
you
address
those
large
ticket
items
that
jonathan
was
looking
at
makes
complete
sense.
One
of
the
things
that
we've
been
asked.
The
board
was
asked,
as
we
were
looking
at
you
know,
should
metro
waste
authority
build
this
facility?
J
How
are
we
going
to
do
it
different
than
the
current
processor
and
a
lot
of
that
came
down
to
education
and
technology
and
the
partnerships
with
those
who
buy
the
material,
and
so
a
lot
of
really
good
discussion
about
contamination,
and
certainly
something
that
metro
waste
authority
could
assist
with
in
the
future
on
the
education
side
or
the
technology
side?
This
facility
was
built
with
technology
in
mind
once
the
material
gets
to
the
facility.
J
However,
we
are
looking
at
partnering
with
our
haulers,
with
an
rfp
that
we
have
out
on
our
hauling
contract
of
how
to
incorporate
technology
on
the
hauling
side
as
well,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
really
new
innovation
in
terms
of
cameras
that
can
take
the
pictures
for
you
outside
of
the
truck
that
catches.
Those
really
large
pieces
of
contamination
that
are
visible
from
the
cart
helps
hold
your
drivers
accountable
as
well,
and
then
also
pictures
that
can
be
taken
once.
J
The
cart
is
tipping
because
oftentimes
for
safety
reasons
and
others
that
is
really
difficult
to
address,
and
then
there's
also
cameras
that
can
be
taken
from
within
the
truck
as
well.
And
so
that's
just
a
new
pilot
that
we're
beginning
with
our
recycling,
hauler
and
collector,
and
so
we
would
be
happy
to
share
that
information
with
the
wing
as
well.
And
you
can
consider
that
as
a
as
another
technology
opportunity.
J
I
They're
all
supposed
to
be
taking
pictures
now,
both
on
the
garbage
side,
as
well
as
the
recycling
side
place
management
just
recently
a
couple
months
ago,
used
us
as
a
pilot
and
are
putting
those
cameras
in
now,
and
some
of
it
is
the
wow
you,
prior
to
the
rfp,
which
is
active
and
live
right
now
on
the
street.
C
I
Add
into
that
just
wanted
to
take
a
couple
minutes
to
share
the
the
facility
and
where
it
is
today
we
are
on
time
for
november
first
launch.
We
will
be
running
material,
we'll
be
running
the
equipment
on
the
18th
of
march,
we'll
be
running
material
on
the
25th,
I'm
sorry
of
october
and
running
material
on
october
25th
and
then
going
live
november.
1St
we
are
in
the
same
contract
buying
you
all
are
in
november.
First
is
the
date.
We
need
to
take
material
so
with
that.
I
This
is
the
door
that
the
trucks
will
come
in
and
back
into
that
whole
first
section
that
you
see
is
the
tip
floor.
They
said
one
thing
to
do
is
go
big
on
the
tip
floor.
We
certainly
did
that
we'll
be
able
to
hold
material
regardless
of
what
happens
if
you
have
shutdown
of
equipment
or
any
kind
of
large
influx,
that
material
will
be
able
to
come
here.
I
Also
what
we've
run
into
in
the
past,
with
the
haul
or
with
the
process
areas,
sometimes
just
a
mid-day
shutdown.
Where
do
all
the
trucks
that
are
loaded
go
to?
We
had
a
plan
b
and,
thankfully,
I
think
jonathan
would
agree.
We've
never
had
to
go
to
that
plan
b,
which
is
the
grime
transfer
station,
which
is
behind
you
that
has
two
tunnels,
but
still
an
option.
I
So
it's
set
up
as
you
can
see,
so
that
we
can
take
the
garbage
and
the
residue
straight
across
the
street
to
the
transfer
station
and
then
ship
to
the
landfill,
either
one
perry
or
mitchellville
grimes
reynolds
one
again
on
the
side
to
the
right.
You
see
enough
room
there
for
train
access
in
the
future.
I
There
will
be
a
rail
spur
coming
in
which
the
new
fiber
mills
have
built
rail
into
their
system,
and
so
what
we're
going
to
do
is
quickly
go
through
a
video
here
and
then
talk
to
you
and
then
take
some
questions
and
kind
of
talk
you
through
the
process.
I
H
I
Sits
on
here
you're,
coming
into
the
tipping
floor,
where
the
loaders
will
put
into
that
hopper
it'll
meter
it
up
that
conveyor
belt.
Send
it
through
that
wall.
We've
built
this,
so
it
can
be
a
stand-alone
room,
secure
room.
So
at
night
there
will
be
a
select
few
haulers
that
can
dump
at
night
for
cost
basis
coming
through.
Here
I
think
the
josh's
point
is
important
and
the
to
mention
up
on
the
right,
you'll
see
corkscrew
type.
I
But
they're
called
screens,
but
they
look
like
a
corkscrew
up
there
or
a
drill
bit
up
on
the
top
right
and
then
lower.
Those
are
the
second
ones
to
ever
be
installed
in
the
in
the
world
for
sorting
they
are
supposed
to
be
tangle
proof.
So
your
christmas
lights,
your
plastic
bags,
all
that
stuff
won't
get
tangled
large
items
like
that
vacuum
will
be
pushed
to
the
side
and
then
driven
down
into
a
garbage
bin.
I
It's
been
working
great
in
whoops
operator
here
in
vegas,
is
where
the
other
one
is,
and
then
it
was
piloted
for
a
few
years,
but
we
did
bring
in
most
of
the
most
high-tech
equipment
coming
in
here.
There's
optical
sorters
as
well.
What
those
do
is
it
reads
the
material
coming
under
it
tells
the
machine
what
it
is,
what
kind
of
plastic
it
is,
what
kind
of
fiber
it
is!
There's
four
of
those
throughout
the
facility,
the
stations
up
top.
You
see
those
little
bins
with
the
slits
there.
I
I
I
I
I
E
C
I
Unfortunately,
josh,
when
you
were
on
the
board,
the
markets
were
like
heck
right
and
we
were
selling
you
on
a
murph
that
was
which
was
losing
big
dollars
on
an
annual
basis
and
the
in
the
metro
said
we
still
have
to
do
it.
We
knew
what
the
future
was.
You
got
to
be
able
to
control
that
future.
If
you're
in
the
business,
we
are
so
launch
it.
Those
recycling
markets
have
turned
just
what
two
years
ago,
a
mixed
paper.
I
Today,
those
are
somewhere
around
80
to
90
of
bail,
so
there's
no
way
that
they'll
be
going
into
the
landfill
cardboard
two
years
ago
was
thirty
to
forty
dollars
a
ton.
Today,
it's
190
a
ton,
the
most
expensive
commodity
right
now
is
not
aluminum,
but
it
is
milk,
jugs
and
the
second
most
expensive
at
somewhere
around
two
thousand
dollars
for
milk,
clear
mouth
jugs,
then
aluminum
just
below
that
in
the
high
19s
1800s,
and
then
you
go
down
from
there
of
different
plastics.
I
The
market
has
changed
completely
as
they
do
and
we'll
probably
all
be
sitting
here
in
a
few
years
talking
about
how
it
changed
again
right.
The
cyclical
piece
of
that
that's.
What
was
tough
on
the
private
companies
is
that
piece
that
was
cyclical
up
and
down,
and
we
saw
them
continue
to
to
change
their
rates.
You
know
37
67
percent
mid-contract,
so
the
markets
are
favorable.
We
have
people
lining
up
at
the
door
right
now
to
buy
our
material.
I
We
have
a
few
contracts
in
place
that
guarantee
us
the
purchase
of
our
mixed
paper
as
well
as
our
cardboard
glass
is
still
a
difficult
market,
but
up
as
well
above
the
negative
where
it
used
to
hover
at
negative
21
european
people
to
get
rid
of
glass
today,
you're
at
around
plus
three
plus
four
dollars,
so
you're
still
losing
money
in
the
entire
processing
piece
of
glass.
But
it's
it's
come
up
quite
a
bit.
I
I
I
To
do
more
and
more
of
those
cardboard
dumpsters
and
eight
yard,
roll
offs
or
roll
offs
and
eight
yard
dumpsters
is
the
more
we
can
put
in
the
better.
Your
residents
are
hollering
the
same
thing
as
everyone
else's.
We
take
a
lot
of
phone
calls
from
the
city
of
des
moines.
The
message
is
the
same:
there's
not
enough
room
for
our
cardboard,
we're
going
to
put
it
outside
our
our
cart.
That
just
slows
the
whole
automation
process
that
puts
it
back
in
the
manual
right.
So
how
can
we
give
them
other
options?
I
Small
businesses
have
no
option.
How
do
we
give
them
option?
We
do
run
a
small
business,
cardboard
program
or
a
curbit
program,
so
lots
of
things
to
do
to
increase
of
the
commodities
and
things
that
the
residents
want
to
do
so
they
are
diverting
tons
and
tons
hundreds
of
tons
of
glass
right
now
for
us
that
is
not
getting
to
the
facility.
We
need
to
do
more
of
that.
I
You
are
but
that
that
is
the
talks
that
scott
and
jonathan
and
I
and
and
joe
has
been
pushing
at
the
at
the
board
meetings
of
getting
des
moines
involved
in
more
of
this.
More
of
those
glass
diversions,
as
well
as
cardboard
joe,
has
shown
a
great
interest
in
those,
and
so
we've
been
staff
has
been
pushing
to
see
where
they
should
go
around
the
city
and
then
we'll
work
with
jonathan.
I
That's
that
year
build
up
of
this
contract.
Can
we
just
get
something
in
place
by
november
1st,
the
city
of
des
moines
to
then
get
us
to
the
next
year
to
three
year
contracts
right,
but
right.
C
I
C
A
Just
for
our
education,
you
say
that
there
are,
the
markets,
have
changed
and
sounds
like
you've
improved
somewhat
over
what
they
were
in
the
recent
past.
Yes,
who's
consuming
this
stuff,
is
it
around
domestically
or
on
the
united
states,
or
is
it
exports
so.
I
And
overall
it's
it's
international,
but
the
domestic
market
has
increased
twofold,
where
china
has
come
in
and
did
the
sword
that
you
heard
basically
a
wall
saying
we're
not
buying
any
more
of
your
recyclables
rightfully
so
they
were
buying
garbage
from
us
right
and
we
were
taking
advantage
of
it,
and
so
they
said
clean
it
up,
get
it
to
one
percent
and
we'll
buy
some
of
it.
So
they
shut
the
markets
down
flooded
it
for
a
while
china.
The
government
says
that,
but
the
mills
said
no.
No.
We
still
need
to
produce.
I
You
know
everything.
We
need
to
toilet
paper,
paper,
towels
cardboard
boxes,
so
their
companies
came
here
and
started
buying
old
mills
that
were
shut
down,
they're,
revamping
them
and
putting
them
up,
which
then
spurred
more
competition
where
our
local
mills
in
wisconsin
and
ohio
started.
Building
brand
new
facilities
they're
coming
online
and
we
will
be
selling
all
of
ours
safe
to
say,
is
contracted
domestically
between
wisconsin
and
minnesota.
At
this
part,
maybe
some
in
arkansas
to
the
same
mill
in
wisconsin,
but
a
different.
I
You
know
different
facility,
so
the
domestic
market
has
gone
crazy
here
and
unless
you're
on
one
of
the
closed,
there's
no
reason
you
shouldn't
be
selling
domestic.
I
Thank
you
all,
and
thanks
for
all
your
board
members
thanks
help
on
this
process.
C
D
Is
to
finalize
that
contractual
arrangement,
which
will
be
admittedly
for
a
limited
duration,
as
mr
mccoy
said,
we're
trying
to
get
to
what
next
looks
like
and
just
needs
a
little
more
time
to
sort
that
out.
So
once
we
get
that
that
that
that
motion
settled
we'll
be
able
to
bring
that
to
you
all
I'm
expecting
at
the
second
meeting
in
october,
especially
since
the
first
meeting
is
today,
we're
not
ready
yet
so
aiming
for
the
for
that
next
meeting
in
october
to
approve
it.
H
A
D
Transitions
are
always
a
little
awkward
when
it's
the
same
speaker
but
on
an
entirely
new
subject.
So
now
talking
about
stormwater
ordnance
updates.
This
is
a
continuation
of
the
the
process
that
we
brought
to
you.
D
There
we
go
con,
we're
continuing
and
concluding
really
a
process
that
started
in
2016
and
17
and
into
18
that
I'm
sure
you
all
are
well
acquainted
with
the
capital
crossroads
process
of
creating
both
a
common,
community-wide
metro-wide.
D
and
then
and
I'm
sure
many
of
you
attended
some
of
those
sessions
where
almost
anybody
that
was
involved
in
land
development
and
storm
water
management
and
home
construction
and
building
development
across
the
community
gathered
for
a
series
of
informational
sessions
that
that
lasted
for
several
months
and
then
and
and
came
to
the
the
conclusion
in
2018.
That
stormwater
is
very
important
and
we
need
to
do
more
education
to
build
the
consensus
to
to
drive
towards
raising
our
stormwater
standards
in
at
the
the
mayor's
group
in
early
2018.
D
And
then
something
happened
in
the
middle
of
2018.
That
made
that
a
lot
more
important
and
moved
the
conversation
from
education
to
ordinances
and
the
fact
that
the
very
last
element
of
the
of
the
education
process
was
post
july
june.
30Th
2018
culminated
with
the
green
infrastructure
conference
pam
cooksey
pointed
out
to
me.
D
Obviously
I
didn't
take
this
picture
because
I'm
in
the
far
left
side
sitting
right
next
to
her
and
councilmember
westergard,
that's
the
back
of
that's
your
back
there
right
in
the
middle,
so
something
that
you
all
have
been
participating
and
literally
participating
in
for
for
a
couple
of
years.
Now
we
move
from
education
to
the
crafting
of
an
ordinance
as
something
that
is
the
the
desired
next
step
across
the
community.
D
So
there
was
actually
a
creation
of
a
model
ordinance
that
was
then
also
kind
of
road
showed
around
the
community
by
by
mayor
andueg
and
mayor
kirovsky
myself
and
some
others
from
polk
soul
and
water
conservation
district
did
visits
to
the
home
builders
association,
the
iowa
commercial,
real
estate,
association,
kind
of
specific
advocacy
groups.
D
I'm
hoping
you
all
remember
this
this
moment
here,
but
it's
okay.
If
it
wasn't,
it
was
a
couple
of
years
ago,
but
this
this
was
deliberately
courting
community-wide
metro-wide
consensus
around
the
finished
product,
which
was
to
create
a
model
ordinance
that
incorporated
the
iowa
stormwater
management
manual
as
the
stormwater
standard.
For
the
community,
currently
we
use
the
statewide
specifications
sudos
to
govern
most
of
our
public
improvement
construction
and,
ironically,
the
the
stormwater
management
manual
was
supposed
to
be
in
sudas,
but
was
bumped
out
right
before
it
went
final
back
in
its
early
days.
D
So
really
we're
just
kind
of
correcting
the
effort
by
putting
it
back
in
kind
of
back
dooring.
I
swim
into
sudas
by
incorporating
it
as
as
an
ordinance
and
and
the
the
consensus
product
of
all
of
these
people
in
the
room,
all
together
for
a
couple
years,
was
to
come
to
a
a
finished
document.
That
said,
here's
what
we
all
agree
by
and
large
what
our
stormwater
standards
should
be
and
can
can
come
to
something
that
would
be
the
same
across
all
the
communities
that
adopted
it.
So
looking
at
I'm
sorry,
okay,.
E
D
Correct
this
is
a
floor
that
any
community
is
welcome
to
move
beyond.
In
fact,
it's
a
it's
an
optional
floor.
No
community
is
obligated
to
do
this,
but
but
the
outcome
of
the
that
the
two
three
year
long
consensus
building
approach
was
this
is
something
that
we
can
all
agree
is
as
a
floor
or
something
that
we
should
aim
for.
C
D
Have
several
communities
have
already
adopted
it
and
I'll
add
one
more
that
I
learned
this
weekend
is
in
the
process.
D
City
of
grimes
is
working
on
incorporating
I
swim
into
it,
notably
ankeny
voted
against
it
in
in
may,
but
every
other
time
it's
come
before
a
council
in
the
metro
area
it's
been
adopted,
I'm
I'm
not
sure
what
the
prospects
are
for
grimes
and
west
des
moines,
though
I
think,
if,
if
we
were
to
take
decisive
steps
in
this
direction,
with
a
an
ordinance
update
that
might
inspire
those
fence
sitters
to
also
get
off
the
fence.
F
D
I
am
not
exactly
sure
what
the
rationale
was.
There
is
a
very
modest
increase
in
land
use
to
satisfy
the
stormwater
requirements,
but
it
is
very
modest
and
delivers
enormous
protective
benefits
to
downstream
residents.
A
We've
had
this
argument
now
for
with
some
people
north
of
us,
since
the
90s,
and
I
think
that
I
would
would
have
thought
that
they
would
have
rethought
it
when
they
had
what
1500
1800
homes
that
were
flooded
out
in
the
storm
that
you're
talking
about
because
of
what
happened
further
north
in
that
watershed
of
four
mile
creek
that
flooded
out
all
those
those
places.
F
D
Kind
of
going
back,
it
does
require
a
very
small
amount
of
additional
land.
It's
typically
most
engine,
typically
the
increased
cost
on
the
design
side,
because
it
does
require
adjusting
how
stormwater
basins
are
are
designed,
but
the
the
vast
majority
of
the
increased
costs
are
what
we
would
call
soft
costs
it's.
It
does
not
require
a
huge
amount
of
land
to
satisfy
the
detention
requirements
under
under
this,
be
because
we're
already
managing
to
one
degree
the
100
year,
storm
event.
H
H
D
F
D
D
K
D
Sure-
and
we
even
have
included
in
the
final
version
of
the
presentation
example
that
shows
kind
of
the
difference
of
applying
the
old
standards
to
the
new
standards.
D
So
the
the
the
first
layer
of
the
unified
sizing
criteria
starts
with
recharge
and,
to
the
greatest
extent
possible.
We
are
we're
we're
encouraging
green
infrastructure
on
site.
We
do
this
ourselves
with
our
own
street
construction
and
site
development
to
capture
and
retain
as
much
as
possible
of
that
first
inch
of
water,
though
it
does
make
clear
in
the
standards
that
that
is
a
target.
It
is
desired
and
not
achievable
on
all
sites.
D
We
stop
here
at
the
water
quality
volume
which
which
will
capture
and
release
slowly
over
the
over
the
period
of
24
hours
up
to
the
first
inch
and
a
quarter
of
rainfall,
and
that's
our
that's
our
current
standard
that
catches
about
90
percent
of
all
rainfall
is
then
metered
out
slowly
over
a
24-hour
period
on
an
on
any
site.
What
we're
finding,
though,
across
the
metro,
is
that
those
last
ten
percent
of
storms
are
very
damaging
to
the
downstream
receiving
water
bodies.
D
This
is
where
you
see
stream
beds,
eroding
and
creeping
into
people's
backyards
and
undermining
garages
or
threatening
homes,
and
our
our
fix
for
that
is
some
stream
bank
stabilization
was
added
to
the
stormwater
rebate
as
as
a
kind
of
a
a
tool
to
help
address
that,
though
the
dollar
figure
oftentimes
is
not
enough
to
to
fully
fund
the
project.
D
So
what
we
are
as
part
of
the
design
standards
asking
for
channel
protection
volume,
which
would
would
address
98
percent
of
the
storms
to
capture
2.67
inches
of
rain
and
meter
it
out
over
a
24
hour
period
that
protects
natural
water
bodies
by
slowing
down
that
water.
D
From
the
overwhelming
majority
of
rainstorms,
and
it
it
meters
that
water
out
more
slowly,
the
next
level
of
protection
there
is
not
really
detention
or
retention,
and
it's
oftentimes,
capable
of
being
fixed
in
the
stormwater
system
on
site
is
a
metering
of
a
reduction
in
the
release
rate
for
those
bigger
storms.
That
two
percent
of
storms
were
asking
the
the
the
sites
to
reduce
their
flow
rate
to
what
it
would
be
under
natural
conditions.
D
Like
imagine,
in
iowa
in
1835,
that's
the
kind
of
rate
that
we
want
water
to
leave
the
site,
and
that
would
be
protective
of
the
natural,
naturally
existing
streams
in
our
stormwater
system,
which
is
actually
a
couple
hundred
miles
worth
of
of
natural
waterway,
and
it's
predominantly
found
in
people's
backyards
and
it's
predominantly
privately
owned.
So
it's
it's!
It's
beyond
the
resources
of
the
city
of
des
moines
to
be
able
to
step
into
those
200
miles
of
of
of
naturally
occurring
quick
way.
D
So
this
is
a
technique
to
help
prove
to
help
not
make
that
situation
worse
through
redevelopment
and
it
reduces
so.
You
can
see
the
the
really
the
key
part
of
this.
The
the
overbank
flood
protection
is
that
two
five
and
ten
year
storms
have
the
release
rate
that
they
leave
the
site
reduced
to
what
it
would
be
under
naturally
occurring
conditions,
not
pre-development,
because
pre-development
oftentimes
is
a
corn
field,
particularly
on
the
the
the
green,
the
the
the
green
field.
Developments
they're,
called
out
in
the
the
outer
reaches
as
suburbia
keeps
expanding.
D
A
cornfield
is
not
a
naturally
occurring
condition
and
it
sheds
water
almost
as
bad
as
a
parking
lot
does
particularly
six
months
out
of
the
year
when
there's
nothing
growing
on
it,
six
or
seven
months.
D
So
the
the
idea
of
the
naturally
natural
conditions,
steps
back
to,
depending
on
soil
conditions,
what
what
would
be
occurring
here
under
pre-development
pre-agriculture
kind
of
of
conditions.
K
K
D
Both
slowing
the
flow
and
also
cleaning
the
water
that
leaves
so
it's
both
quantity
and
quality.
It
will
take
an
enormously
large
amount
of
small
projects
to
lower
the
flood
plain
and
with
an
increasing
intensity
and
frequency
of
storms.
We're
really
just
kind
of
trying
to
bend
the
curve
back
down
with
working
in
projects
out
in
the
watershed.
D
An
exciting
one
is
in
the
hands
of
polk
county
public
works
at
polk
county
has
a
a
a
watershed.
Protection
grant
that
could
reduce
have
the
effect
of
reducing
the
the
flood
elevation
at
the
part
of
the
hillside,
apartments
and
the
business
park
at
at
hubble
and
and
and
euclid,
and
get
those
properties
out
of
the
flood
plain.
D
Those
are
those
some
some
big
basins.
Two
of
them
are
going
to
work.
A
third
one
is
not
going
to
is
they're
trying
to
find
another
place
to
put
another,
a
third
big
basin
that
gets
the
volume
down
in
peak
flood
conditions,
kind
of
actually
move
the
flood
plain
back
down
to
where
it
used
to
be
so.
A
lot
of
work
dedicated
to
the
four
mile
watershed
at
almost
at
public
expense.
D
F
D
C
D
Have
some
protective
measures
and
even
are
the
final
layer
of
these
design
standards?
Extreme
flood
protection
is
similar
to
what
we
have
now.
That's
why
I
say
it's
similar
to
our
current
standard
here
on
this
slide
and
and
the
city
of
ankeny
does
have
something
like
this.
I
just
don't
know
exactly.
What's.
F
In
this
watershed
ourselves,
polk
county
conservation
is
investing
in
it.
We
should
try
to
ask
our
neighbors
for
for
help
if
they're
not
going
to
agree
to
this.
What
exactly
are
you
going
to
agree
to
do
because
if
they
keep
doing
what
they're
doing,
I
don't
know
how
much
we
can
invest
in
to
fix
it
if
they're
not
going
to
help
right?
I.
D
We
would
still
be
exposed
to
the
risk
of
flooding
and
due
to
climate
change,
yeah
I
understand,
which
is
why
we're
you
know
buying
out
homes
that
are
in
now
the
wrong
place,
but
some
some
commercial
properties
and
residential
structures
just
can't
be
can't
be
moved
readily
or
easily.
Well,.
H
A
F
A
And
more
importantly,
and
it's
you
know,
everybody
wanted
to
move
fast
and
there
were
one
or
more
that
wanted
to
move,
take
baby
steps,
and
I
think
that
back
to
what
happened
with
that
10
inches
of
rainfall
in
that
area
and
everything
north
of
them,
one
would
think
they'd
want
to
move
forward
much
more
quickly,
and
so
I'm
with
these
guys,
let's
find
out
what
they're
doing
they
need
to
do
it
all
that
water
comes
down
to
us
and
also
we
need
to
have
a
little
help
from
the
areas
north
of
them
still
in
the
watershed
over
towards
sheldol
and
and
all
alimon,
and
in
those
areas
that
are
going
to
come
down
into
ankeny,
which
are
now
mostly
ag
lands
and
they're
tiling,
the
you
know
what
out
of
that,
and
so
those
waters
are
running
off
much
more
quickly
off
of
the
those
farm
grounds
than
they
they
did
20
years
ago,
and
so
I
mean
all
that
has
to
be
thrown
into
the
mix
here,
because
we
got
to
figure
out
how
to
deal
with
this
water,
and
it
can't
be
just
us
where
we
are.
C
F
It's
concerning
the
amount
of
growth
that
that
they're
having
there
in
the
in
you
know,
I
think
connie
had
pointed
out
the
massive
amounts
of
warehouses
and
big.
I
mean
big
buildings
and,
and
I
mean
taking
up
a
ton
of
land
out
there
if
they're
not
doing
their
part.
I
I
don't
know
how
we,
you
know
double
down
and
try
to
fix
everything
that
we
could
possibly
fix.
I
mean
it
just
you
know.
Well,.
F
B
So
the
mayor
had
to
leave,
he
had
to
leave
okay,
so
mayor
potem
and
council.
We
will
get
an
answer
from
ankeny.
It's
actually
already
been
requested,
but
had
not
received.
I
was
just
double
checking
because
we
do
need
to
absolutely
know
what
our
partners
in
the
region
are
doing
or
not
doing,
and
why.
B
But
I
also
appreciate
the
comments
that
we
still
have
what
80
square
miles
that
we're
responsible
for
within
the
city
limits
of
des
moines,
and
we
do
need
to
make
sure
that
that
we
are
protecting
our
property
owners
from
what
we
can
do
inside
our
own
city
limits.
There's
been
great
examples
of
partnering
with
more
regional
entities,
all
the
way
up
into
north
west
iowa,
even
in
part
of
the
state
but
more
more
regionally.
B
Polk
county
conservation
has
been
a
great
partner
in
these
efforts
and
there's
opportunities
to
use
them
as
well
as
others,
in
those
conversations
with
the
communities
that
are
not
participating.
So
it
doesn't
always
have
to
be
us.
That's
communicating
that
message.
We
have
a
great
plan
with
the
county
that
that
needs
ankeny's
involvement
as
well,
so
we
can
put
those
pressures
there
as
well.
D
The
the
I'll
finish
with
that
last
layer
of
the
design
standards
that
I
note
is
similar
to
our
current
standard,
where
we
we
currently
require
them
to
manage
the
100-year
storm
flow,
show
those
biggest
rainstorms
now
not
the
biggest
biggest
ones
like
we
saw
in
2018..
D
That
was
about
a
750-year
storm
depending
on
where
you
were
in
town
the.
So
we
are
currently
requiring
the
the
containment
of
the
100
year
storm
on
site.
What
we're
adjusting
is
the
release
rate
and
that
that
release
rate
is
what
is
important
to
the
health
and
integrity
of
this.
The
naturally
occurring
streams
downstream
from
the
site,
but
the
the
volume
of
water
is
very
similar
and
we're
just
adjusting
the
release
rate
again,
referring
back
to
that
natural
condition
as
what
it
would
be
under.
Let's
say,
a
five-year
storm.
D
It's
going
to
turn
the
100-year
event
into
into
a
five-year
storm
and
importantly,
making
a
safe
way
of
escape
for
for
the
site
so
that
in
the
largest
storms
beyond
the
100
year,
the
500
years
kind
of
our
our,
where
we
picked
as
the
design
floor
for
that
making
a
safe
way
for
water
to
get
off
the
site
without
harming
properties
that
are
on
that
site
itself.
D
A
lot
of
the
homes
that
we
ended
up
buying
after
the
2018
experience
were
alongside
those
overflow
routes
and
they
ended
up
with
large
quantities
of
water
in
their
in
their
basement.
Or
some
cases
doing.
You
know
the
stormwater
doing
structural
damage,
because
there
was
no
overland
flow
route
for
the
water
to
safely
exit
the
area
that
it
had
piled
up
in
and
it
just
barreled
right
through
people's
homes
and
knocked
down
basement
walls
in
some
cases.
So
this.
C
L
Jonathan,
this
is
carl
voss.
Can
you
hear
me
okay?
Yes,
please
go
ahead.
So
does
the
standards
for
amount
of
top
soil
enter
the
conversation
for
new
developments.
D
Yes
I'll
mention
that
in
a
later
slide,
but
I'll
shortcut
to
that,
the
one
of
the
elements
of
the
the
stormwater
management
plan
for
any
site
is
that
topsoil
on
that
site
must
remain
on
that
site.
That's
the
compliant
with
the
state
law
and
we're
asking
the
the
the
developer
to
furnish
a
plan
for
that
site
to
show
which
pieces
of
top
soil
will
be
disturbed
which
will
be
protected
where
it
will
be
stockpiled
so
that
topsoil
doesn't
doesn't
found.
It
doesn't,
doesn't
readily
find
its
way
off
site.
D
So
to
speak.
That's
a
taking
app
sorry
go
ahead.
L
Is
there
a
minimum
standard,
like
I
I've
heard
four
inches
of
topsoil?
Is
that
the
minimum
that
needs
to
be
supplied
on,
for
example,
residential
development.
D
There
there
is
not
a
minimum
depth
of
topsoil
to
be
required
across
every
square
inch
of
the
site.
It
simply
requires
that
all
the
topsoil
that
is
there
now
be
accounted
for
and
managed
and
redistributed
in
in
the
the
most
important
places
on
the
site.
So
what
we'll?
What
we
expect
to
see
is
topsoil
stripped
from
underneath
structures
in
impervious
places
where
you
don't
actually
want
it
and
then
redistributed
around
the
site.
D
K
D
And
and
we've
we,
the
collective,
we
in
the
metro
through
the
capital
crossroads
process,
incorporated
lessons
learned
from
the
city
of
coralville,
which
has
a
very
assertive
kind
of
top
soil
management
program,
where
there
is
a
bit
of
a
learning
curve
for
contractors
and
developers
in
the
business,
but
it
takes
it
takes
a
plan
and
proof
of
the
in
our
case,
we're
asking
for
proof
of
the
plan
to
make
sure
that
topsoil
is
in
fact
remaining
on
site
and
being
distributed
to
where
it
will
benefit
the
site.
The
most
is
that
required.
D
D
Of
anybody
I
do
know
that
it
did
not
get
to
consensus,
support
from
the
metro
communities
in
the
capital
crossroads
process.
So
that's
why
I'm
only
advancing
the
the
that
kind
of
floor,
the
minimum
that
did
have
broad
based
community
support
that
is
identical
to
to
the
output
produced
by
the
the
extremely
collaborative
stakeholder
engagement
process
that
brought
everybody
with
a
dog
in
the
fight
into
the
room
to
to
come
up
with
what
should
this
look
like?
D
All
right,
I'm
sorry,
I
skipped
over
one,
so
it
will
apply
to
new
development
when
adding
10,
000
square
feet
of
impervious
surface
and
then
all
the
unified
sizing
criteria
will
apply,
but
much
like
the
square
footage
requirement
or
dollar
figure
building
permits
is
on
chapter
50
for
for
flood
protection
that
was
recently
relatively
recently
approved.
D
The
threshold
is
cumulative,
so
you
can't
do
multiple
9
000
square
foot
projects
and
evade
the
the
stormwater
requirements,
but
one
time
so
that
second
project
would
do
so
would
would
then
trigger
the
the
application
of
the
unified
sizing
criteria.
D
That
adds
more
than
10
000
square
feet
of
impervious
surface
depends
on
how
much
what
fraction
of
the
total
site
that
is,
if
it's
more
than
50
of
the
site,
then
you're,
basically
redoing
the
whole
site
at
that
point,
50
to
75
to
100,
but
if
the,
if
it's
just
a
modest
adjustment
to
the
site,
less
than
50
we're,
not
asking
the
the
the
redeveloper
to
apply
all
of
these
stormwater
standards
just
using
water
quality
volume
and
channel
protection,
because
this
is
redevelopment,
it's
you
know,
got
a
whole
host
of
complications
to
it.
D
Project
is
adjusting
the
site
rather
than
repurposing
it
wholesale
and
again
that
is
cumulative,
so
new
standard
will
not
apply
to
existing
developments
at
all.
Someone
that
that
has
already
built
and
enjoying
the
use
of
their
site
can
continue
to
do
so
in
perpetuity,
and
there
are
a
whole
host
of
exceptions
like
like
everything
else.
D
In
life,
we
came
up
with
a
a
a
series
of
scenarios
where
it
just
wouldn't
make
any
sense,
logging
and
agricultural
activity
going
to
be
exempt
and
anything
that
will
do
adjustments
to
single-family
structures,
so
we're
not
going
after
individual
homeowners
with
this
ordinance
and
anything
that
that,
where
the
city
has
said,
you
need
to
fix
your
your
stormwater
system
on
your
site
will
not
trigger
the
the
application
of
new
design
standards
to
whatever
it
is
that
goes
in
there.
D
D
So
if
someone
is
removing
and
replacing
part
of
a
parking
lot,
they
may
they
may
do
so
without
the
concern
about
needing
to
design
a
whole
new
set
of
storm
water
stand
a
new
whole
new
set
of
storm
water
facilities
just
because
they
want
to
fix
their
parking
lot,
and
you
can
even
make
small
incremental
changes
to
your
parking
lots
over
time
until
you
get
to
that
ten
thousand
square
foot
adjustment,
so
you
know
you
could
add
a
parking
stall
without
triggering
without
triggering
stormwater
standards,
and
anything
added
before
1977
will
not
count.
D
D
K
D
There
yeah
there
are
different,
a
whole
host
of
other
reasons
why
someone
a
developer,
might
need
to
make
adjustments
to
the
impervious
area.
Okay,
this
is
just
looking
at
impervious
area
added
before
we
started
tracking
site.
Okay,
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
count.
So
if
they're
now
adding
new
impervious
area,
then
there
is
there.
You
know
they're,
adding
10
000
square
feet
of
of
impervious
area
through
redevelopment,
it
will
depend
on
how
much
of
the
site.
D
And
I
would
wager
that's
driven
by
landscaping
and
green
space
requirements
which
are.
K
D
So
it's
probably
chapter
50
then
instead
of
this
is
this
is
chapter
42
that
we're
proposing
different
reasons.
D
So
the
I
mentioned
a
side
example.
We
had
our
engineering
team
in
the
clean
water
program
under
patrick
bean's
supervision.
D
Do
the
modeling
that
would
be
required
of
any
have
any
new
development,
so
they
just
picked
a
a
10
foot,
10
10,
acre
area,
adding
a
building
and
a
parking
lot
and
storm
water
structures
and
compared
to
the
current
standard,
to
the
proposed
standard
down
to
adjusting
the
release
rates
to
what
we
would
expect
that
they're
required
to,
and
you
can
see
a
very
small
increase
in
the
storage
of
volume,
and
that's
that's
typically
going
to
be
measured
up
from
the
bottom
rather
than
out,
though
I
I
would
wager-
and
this
is
entirely
up
to
the
discretion
of
the
site-
engineer
developing
what
you
know
where
you
put
that
130
000
cubic
feet,
it's
a
very
modest
increase
in
the
volume
of
water
to
be
retained
on
site,
but
not
necessarily
in
resulting
in
more
land
mass.
C
D
That's
going
to
reduce
the
developable
area
of
the
site,
but
this
this
does
reduce
the
amount
of
of
harm
done
to
downstream
properties
by
measuring
out
the
release
rates
for
those
smaller
storms
short
of
the
hundred
year
and
does
so
with
a
very
modest
increase
in
the
the
storage
volume
required
at
what
we
said
as
our
most
extreme
event
that
we're
going
to
manage
on-site
the
100-year
storm.
D
D
Say
that
it's
no
impact,
but
the
impact
is
relatively
modest,
so
the
more
of
those
impacts,
some
of
the
changes
are,
are
noted
as
the
new
elements
there
that
are
part
of
existing
requirements.
D
So
we
just
did
one
example
on
the
math
there,
but
others
in
the
in
the
capital
crossroads
process.
Did
you
know,
analyzed
a
range
of
sites
and
found
that
for
a
100,
acre
development
under
varying
soil
conditions
and
topographies
could
result
in
an
increase
of
0.4
to
1.5
acres,
so
again,
a
very
modest
amount
of
land
additional
land
under
a
variety
of
soil
conditions
to
capture
that
modest
increase
in
volume.
One
thing
that
is
different
is
that
we
are
adding
to
the
list
of
of
of
as
built.
D
That's
our
kind
of
the
the
ascertation
at
the
very
final
end
of
the
the
the
construction
process
that
what
was
required
and
designed
and
submitted
and
approved
actually
was
built
as
as
required.
So
we
require
that
now
for
public
improvements
and
some
other
things.
This
is
adding
stormwater
facilities
to
that
so
a
requirement.
The
developers
already
have
we're
just
adding
one
more
category
of
improvements
to
that
list
of
as
built
that
need
to
be
furnished.
We
do
now
require
a
maintenance
plan.
D
It
has
no
timeline
for
compliance
on
it,
so
adding
a
timeline
for
compliance
that
problems
with
a
privately
owned
stormwater
system
must
be
fixed
within
30
days
or
coordinated
on
a
schedule
with
with
the
city
so
that
that
we
don't
just
have
a
problem,
sit
there
and
the
developer
know
about
it
and
acknowledge
it
or
the
property
owner
know
about
it
and
acknowledge
it
and
say
they'll
fix
it.
You
know
two
years
from
now
that
that
that's
possible
under
the
scenario
now
this
would
require
kind
of
expeditious,
more
routine.
D
Maintenance
can
be
done
within
30
days
and,
if
there's
a
good
reason
to
extend
a
timeline,
I
mean
we're
not
going
to
do
a
lot
of
earth
moving
in
december,
so
that
would
be
a
good
reason
to
defer
something
from
for
past
the
30-day
requirement
it
just
requires
consultation
with
with
city
staff.
D
D
We
are
in
in
smaller
storms,
reducing
the
flow
rate
by
as
much
as
90
and
we're
taking
a
big
chunk
anywhere
from
10
to
40
out
of
those
larger
storms
that
are
becoming
more
frequent
and
more
intense,
we'll
be
able
to
to
better,
monitor
and
verify
compliance
with
the
requirements
that
are
actually
kind
of
similar
to
what
we
have
now.
D
But
we
don't
have
any
way
of
verifying
that
and
adding
some
tools
for
non-compliant
storms,
stormwater
systems
and
and
eventually
getting
to
where
we
have
more
sustainable
development
with
more
of
the
water
managed
on
the
site
where
it
lands
by
encouraging
the
the
the
the
as
much
as
possible
green
infrastructure
and
that
recharge
volume
that
first
layer
on
the
on
the
the
design
standards
and
then
walking
through
the
the
requirements
from
there.
D
So
this,
the
iowa
stormwater
management
manual,
is
a
much
more
descriptive
document
than
a
prescriptive
one.
It
doesn't
tell
you
how
to
satisfy
the
requirements
it
releases
to
the
design
engineer,
a
lot
of
flexibility
and
a
lot
of
capability
to
to
to
design
around
the
specifics
of
the
site
and
and
the
the
requirements
are
really
more
aimed
at
what
leaves
the
site
so
that
the
degree
to
which
a
designer
can
manage
their
stormwater
on-site
through
green
infrastructure
and
recharge
volume
reduces
their
land
and
storage
volume
required
to
release
that
water
back
off
site.
D
So
that's
why
that
first
layer,
although
it
says
it's
a
target
and
not
achievable
on
all
sites,
it's
the
essential
first
step,
and
it
really
goes
a
long
way
to
minimizing
the
the
back
end
requirements.
You
try
to
shove
all
your
storm
water
management
into.
You
know
the
corner
the
corner
of
the
lot.
It
will
probably
be
larger
and
more
expensive,
but
creatively
understood
and
applied
throughout
the
whole
site.
D
D
Is
continuing
stakeholder
outreach
where
we're
not
ready
to
bring
this
for
your
approval
at
the
first
meeting
in
october,
so
I'm
aiming
for
the
first
meeting
in
november
it
it's
on
its
right,
what
has
to
be
its
last
lap
through
other
departments
for
verification,
mostly
that
we're
not
working
across
purposes
with
one
code
in
one
section
saying
one
thing
and
another
code
and
another
piece
of
the
of
the
the
code
manual
saying
something
else
so
trying
to
make
sure
that
our
eyes
are
dotted
and
t's
are
crossed,
and
once
that's
prepared,
I
will.
D
I
will
be
fully
ready
to
share
that
with
the
the
entire
stakeholder
community,
though
the
actual
design
standards
are
100,
unchanged
from
the
consensus
document
that
came
out
of
the
out
of
the
capital
crossroads
process.
That's
a
I.
I
think.
An
important
step
in
this
is
to
advance
the
exact
same
standards
that
that
the
entire
metro
community
came
to.
D
Well,
maybe
except
ankeny,
came
to
consensus
around
to
say
this
is
what
we
want
to
do
for
stormwater
standards
across
the
metro
and
then
once
that's
once
that's
ready
I'll
be
able
to
circulate
that.
There
are
impacts
to
development
beyond
just
the
standards
proposed
on
the
ordinance,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we
have
an
opportunity
to
get
stakeholder
feedback
on
those
things,
but
then.
K
D
K
Thank
you,
jonathan.
That
was
very
good.
I
really
appreciate
patrick
bean.
He
always
comes
to
my
aid.
He
goes
and
meets
me
on
site
with
people.
So
thank
you.
It's
hard
to
recognize
people
when
we
have
mass
and
hats
on
sometimes
so
I
know
I
the
last
time
I
was
like.
Who
are
you
so?
Thank
you,
patrick,
and
you
know,
engineering
is
just
great
to
give
us
all
kinds
of
information.