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From YouTube: 11-15-21 City Council Work Session
Description
Des Moines City Council morning work session on Monday, Nov. 15, 2021.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
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Good
morning,
I
hope
everyone
had
a
great
weekend,
honorable
mayor
county
and
council,
I'm
jenny,
richmond
assistant,
director
of
parks
and
recreation,
I'm
joined
today
by
our
director
ben
page
and
soviet
munson,
our
city
architect,
and
our
consultant
team
led
by
the
dlr
group
to
present
the
principal
park
master
plan.
I'd
also
like
to
thank
the
iowa
cubs
leadership
for
being
here
today
in
support
of
the
work.
Thank
you,
sam
and
randy.
Appreciate
it
very
much.
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Their
team
includes
professionals
with
expertise
in
ballpark
and
architectural
design,
interior
design,
mechanical
electrical
and
plumbing
engineering,
structural
and
civil
engineering,
landscape
architecture
and
planning
services,
cost
estimating
and
scheduling
relevant
technology
and
sustainable
services.
Now
the
dlr
group
will
give
a
brief
overview
of
the
full
master
plan.
Then
focus
on
the
proposed
approach
to
phase
one
implementation
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
dave
cipolla.
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Looking
at
the
infrastructure,
that's
in
place
around
the
ballpark,
what
needs
to
be
updated,
what
what
systems
have
kind
of
passed
their
useful
life
and
need
to
be
replaced
as
well
as
looking
at
the
community?
What
are
what
do?
People
want
out
of
principal
park
that
maybe
they're
not
getting
right
now?
What
events
could
take
place
there
that
you
know
is
it
races
or
concerts,
or
things
like
that
that
are
beyond
baseball?
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You
know
there's
a
scoring
system,
that's
in
place.
Major
league
baseball
has
implemented
I'm
looking
at
those
scores
and
how
they
need
to
be
implemented
over
the
next
few
years.
First,
compliance
needs
to
be
achieved
by
april
of
2023,
so
in
about
15
months,
16
months,
so
that
that's
coming
soon
and
then
ultimate
compliance
is
in
april
of
2025.
So
over
the
next
few
years
you
can
kind
of
stair
step
into
what's
needed
there.
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Overall
site
plan,
with
each
of
the
master
plan,
experience
and
opportunities
identified,
you
can
see
as
far
as
the
you
know,
the
the
land
that
we're
dealing
with
here,
we're
really
touching
the
entire
entire
facility
or
the
entire
complex
there's.
No
one
area
that
we've
really
focused
our
energy
I
can
hit
some
of
the
highlights
here.
D
The
other
one
I
want
to
mention
specifically
is
the
letters.
D,
e
and
f
here
are
not
on
the
principal
park
property,
but
it's
been
identified
as
an
economic
development
opportunity
for
the
you
city,
it's
a
private
owner,
but
if
we
could,
you
know
envision
that
as
future
parking
with
some
retail
and
restaurant
and
maybe
bar
component
to
it
to
really
further,
you
know,
invigorate
and
create
some
excitement
in
that
area,
especially
with
the
creation
of
a
new
new
public
entry.
F
Would
be
a
great
addition?
I
mean
you
also
have
the
surface
lot
on
the
other
side
as
well,
that
that
could
be
similarly
developed
right.
I
mean
why.
Why
wasn't
that
spot
sort
of
identified
for
a
similar,
similar
concept,
I
mean
you
have
because
that's
right
on
the
river
in
some
respects,
almost
a
more
desirable
spot
for
that
type
of
development.
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It's
a
good
question.
You
know
the
lot
here
is,
you
know
utilized
currently
for
staff
and
player
parking,
which
is
part
of
the
plan
and
we're
going
to
move
some
player
parking
around
and
things
like
that.
I
don't
it
certainly
could
be
if
the
city
was
willing
to.
You
know,
there's
nothing
necessarily
magic
about
that
spot
that
it
couldn't
be
on
city
property
versus
private
development.
I
think
trying
to
keep
overall
cost
in
mind
for
the
recommendations
of
the
master
plan,
so
we
own
that
lot.
There.
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We
kind
of
kept
that
separate,
because
it's
not
something
the
city
can
necessarily
it's
not
their
money
here,
that's
something
they
can
control
and
then
what
we
want
to
focus
on
today
is
phase
one
which
includes,
like
I
said,
the
bulk
of
the
facility
or
facility
standards,
compliance
components
which
really
is
the
renovation
to
the
clubhouse
in
left
field,
creation
of
a
new
batter's
eye
in
beyond
the
center
field,
wall
and
replacement
of
the
outfield
wall,
which
is
pretty
dilapidated
in
need
of
dire
replacement.
So
we'll
look
at
that
in
a
little
bit
more
detail.
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I
spoke
on
this
a
little
bit
just
the
the
major
league
standards
for
milb
facilities.
Again
principal
park
was
open,
1991.
The
last
time
facility
standards
were
updated
was
it
was
in
1990,
so
it
was
in
compliance,
but
the
standards
have
changed.
The
scope
and
breadth
of
what
teams
try
to
accomplish
in
minor
league
baseball
has
changed
a
lot
and
the
the
new
facility
standards
try
to
address
some
of
those
trends.
Everything
is
focused
on
team
operations.
D
The
current
agreement
that
the
iowa
cubs
are
under
expires
in
2030,
so
the
question
sometimes
comes
up.
Well,
what's
stop
if
we
make
some
of
these
improvements,
what's
stopping
major
league
baseball
from
upping
the
standards
or
revising
the
standards?
It's
not
anticipated
that
those
would
be
redone
ahead
of
2030.,
never
say
never,
but
with
the
current
agreement,
that's
kind
of
our
understanding
and
everything's
looked
at
through
a
scoring
system
again
developed
by
major
league
baseball
and
they'll.
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There's
been
a
couple
expansions
to
the
facility
over
the
years
the
the
locker
rooms
were
expanded
here
and
then
just
a
year
or
two
ago,
another
batting
tunnel
enter
added,
but
just
from
an
operational
standpoint
beyond
just
the
facility
standards,
compliance
some
of
the
efficiencies
and
circulation
pieces,
you
know
trying
to
achieve
separation
of
home
visitors,
it's
just
not
necessarily
an
optimal
layout.
So
beyond
meeting
the
facility
standards,
also
just
trying
to
take
that
opportunity
to
enhance
the
the
way
things
kind
of
fit
and
flow
within
the
facility.
D
So
the
concept
you
can
see
here
is
everything
in
blue
is
essentially
a
gut
renovation.
We
leave
any
load
bearing
walls
and
things
like
that,
but
reorganizing
the
spaces
to
get
more
separation
of
home
and
visitors
meeting
those
facility
standards
minimums
the
orange
portion
you
see
is
a
small
addition
that
would
be
required.
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D
Bit
about
the
secure
player
parking
that
exists
right
now
in
the
lot
just
to
the
north.
Currently,
that
technically,
is
in
compliance,
because
it's
remedied
with
an
operational
issue.
They
can,
if
you
don't,
have
secure
perimeter,
secure
fence
for
parking.
You
have
to
have
staff
that
monitors
and
ushers
players
in
and
out
of
parking
before
and
after
games.
D
So
while
it
is
technically
in
compliance,
not
necessarily
an
ideal
solution,
so
one
thing
we've
identified
is
relocating
some
player
parking
beyond
the
outfield
wall,
currently
not
costed
with
phase
one,
but
something
that
would
be
our
very
first
priority,
if
possible.
To
also
include
with
phase
one
would
be
that
player
parking
relocation
just
to
help
with
the
operations
of
that.
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I
mentioned
player
parking
and
then
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
batter's
eye.
If
you're
not
familiar
with
what
a
batter's
eye
is,
you
know
just
beyond
the
center
field
wall,
it's
a
an
opaque
dark
surface.
That's
required
to
allow
the
battery
it's
a
safety
measure
for
batters
to
be
able
to
pick
up
the
ball
as
it's
being
pitched.
Currently,
the
batter's
eye
doesn't
meet
the
height
and
width
requirements
set
out
by
the
new
facility
standards,
so
we
would
need
to
make
that
larger.
D
In
most
cases,
that's
not
a
huge
talking
point
here
with
the
the
view
of
the
capital
being
a
prime
asset
of
the
ballpark
and
something
people
really
enjoy
and
are
sensitive
to.
We
took
a
little
deeper
dive
into
okay.
If
we
have
to
make
this
batter's
eye
bigger.
What
does
that
mean?
So
we
looked
at
it,
and
this
is
starting
in
the
first
row,
you
can
see
in
red
where
the
expansion
of
the
batters,
I
would
be
so
who's
being
impacted
by
this.
D
The
view
of
the
capital
due
to
the
capital
with
the
batter's
eye
expansion
so
from
row
one.
You
can
see
a
good
amount
of
the
capital.
You
can
still
see
the
dome
and
kind
of
the
right
side
and
again
this
is
directly
behind
home
plate.
So
keep
in
mind
as
you
go
left
and
right,
the
view
changes
as
well.
D
You
go
up
just
a
few
rows.
This
is
row
three
you
can
see
in
the
top
left.
That
view
is
enhanced
a
little
bit
more,
but
you
don't
have
to
go
too
far
up.
This
is
row
12
and
you
really
start
to
see
that
the
capital,
the
view
of
the
capital,
is
not
as
obstructed
and
then
by
the
time
you
get
to
the
the
mid
cross
aisle
in
row,
28.
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D
D
An
overview
of
a
lot
of
what
I
just
talked
about,
you
know
really.
The
main
goals
here
are
facility
standards,
compliance
and
then
any
infrastructure
that
we're
replacing.
As
part
of
that,
you
know
really
looking
at
whole
building
systems,
the
some
of
the
hvac
units,
the
electrical
you
know,
replacing
lighting
with
new
led.
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Obviously,
everyone's
prime
question:
okay,
what
what
is
this
going
to
cost?
We've
done
a
detailed
cost
estimate
for
each
of
the
phases.
This
is
the
phase.
One
summary
you
can
see
each
of
the
major
components
broken
out
here:
clubhouse
renovation-
and
I
guess,
first
of
all,
it's
broken
up
into
different
color
codes
for
the
different
components
as
part
of
the
vision
and
goals
so
facility
standards.
Compliance
anything
that
relates
to
that
is
shown
in
blue.
Anything
in
green
is
more
of
the
user
experience
upgrades
that
we've
identified
as
other
parts
of
the
master
plan.
D
Again,
none
of
that
really
applies
to
this
phase
and
then
in
the
orange
color
facility
infrastructure.
So
those
are
the
systems
that
we're
replacing
and
trying
to
extend
the
life
of
the
facility,
so
clubhouse
renovation
construction
cost
a
little
over
four
million
dollars,
batter's
high
150
000
and
then
the
facility
infrastructure
a
little
over
a
million
and.
D
The
facility
infrastructure
upgrades
and
the
clubhouse
renovation-
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
parts
and
pieces
that
we've
had
to
extract,
so
they
will
exist
in
the
cost
in
one
spot
or
another.
We've
tried
to
segregate
them,
so
there's
not
doubling
up
of
those
costs
because,
with
the
renovation
you're
redoing
a
lot
of
those
systems,
regardless
with
the
infrastructure
upgrades
those
were
identified
without
consideration
initially
with
any
other
renovation.
That
would
happen.
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H
Regard
so
question,
and
this
might
be
for
scott
or
for
someone.
So
when
we
did
a
lot
of
us,
remember:
seth,
taylor,
stadium,
now
it's
principal
park,
so
in
the
90s,
when
we
did
all
of
the
upgrades,
was
that
a
private
public
partnership
was
it
all
on
city?
Was
it
the
county?
You
know
the
contiguous
cities.
You
know
this
is
a
this,
isn't
just
a
des
moines
attraction.
This
is
used
obviously
for
the
entire
state,
but
you
know
the
contiguous
cities
that
that
use
this
as
an
amenity.
J
And
I
may
need
a
little
help
here,
but
I
I
do
know
that
it
was
a
metro,
wide
area,
investment
that
had
the
suburbs
also
investing
in
that
major
renovation.
As
far
as
the
private
funds,
I
would
have
assumed
there
would
have
been
private
funds
in
there
as
well.
So,
yes,
it
would
have
been
a
combination,
so.
J
I
think
we
need
to
be
a
little
further
along
in
understanding
what
the
rest
of
the
improvements
in
the
future
phases
are,
because
I
would
not
want
to
go
with
an
incomplete
answer
to
them
and
and
have
to
go
right
back
again
within
the
year
or
two.
So
I
I
think
we'll
have
to
digest
that
this
is.
This
is
the
minimum
project
that
we
need
to
take
care
of.
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B
D
General
conditions,
bonds,
fees,
overhead
and
profit-
that's
that's!
A
contract
number
contractor
number
that's
applied
to
the
construction
cost,
it's
not
profit
for
it.
It
includes
it's
not
20
profit
for
the
contractor.
It's
20
of
all
of
those
items.
That's
estimated
at
20
above
raw
construction
costs
for
each
of
those
items.
B
D
General
conditions
are,
you
know,
contractors,
staff
on
site
the
bonds
that
they
they
put
forth
any
you
know
the
fees
that
are
required
for
construction,
that
permitting
things
like
that.
Well,
permits
are
really
carried
in
the
projects
off
costs
mostly,
but
I
think
20
is
a
pretty
common
number
for
that
kind
of,
above
and
beyond
the
raw
construction
cost
to
be
applied
for
the
contractor's
work.
To
be,
we
charge
ourselves
for.
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D
The
20
under
each
of
these
that's
applied
to
the
construction
to
get
to
the
construction
cost
and
then
you've
got
another
25
estimated
above
that's
allocated
as
project
soft
costs.
So
it's
project
cost
it's
understanding
the
difference
between
construction
cost
and
project
costs.
There's
we've
estimated
estimated
that
at
25,
which
is
fairly
typical
for
again
design
fees,
permits
furnitures
fixtures
equipment,
a
lot
of
the
miscellaneous
things:
printing,
reimbursables,
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
can
fall
under
that
project.
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D
Yep,
absolutely
so
yeah
there's
nothing
else
on
cost.
What's
the
timeline
look
for
this-
and
I
know
you
know
ideally
starting
to
look
at
rfp
selection
for
design
team.
You
know
the
master
plan
is
its
own
part
of
this
I'm
going
into
actual
you
know.
Construction
document
will
be
a
separate
procurement
for
the
city,
estimating
design,
for
you
know,
starting
after
the
first
of
the
year
and
then
ultimately,
what
you're
trying
to
do
here
is
hit.
D
D
The
bulk
of
the
work
done
in
the
off
season
now
and
and
can
probably
speak
to
this
a
little
better.
There's
consideration
for
staging
this
to
your
question
josh
a
little
bit
about.
Can
we
do
this
over
multiple
seasons,
some
of
the
systems,
components
and
things
like
that?
I
think
there's
discussion
of
trying
to
break
some
of
those
pieces
over
two
seasons.
What
things
are
part
of
the
entire
building
that
we
identified-
and
this
goes
back
to
the
facility
infrastructure
versus
clubhouse
renovation-
that
I
talked
about?
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D
D
It's
reduced
a
little
bit
because
one
of
the
items
I
didn't
mention
down
the
right
and
left
field
line
letters
x
are
pulling
bullpens
which
are
currently
on
the
field
out
of
the
field
of
play.
That's
a
major,
safe
player
safety
concern
from
from
the
cubs,
so
I
think
we
were
reducing
by
about
700
seats
by
pulling
those
bullpens
off
the
field
and
kind
of
encroaching
in
the
seating
area
there,
but
other
than
that
seating
capacity.
G
D
D
J
D
D
A
A
G
J
D
Back
to
your
question
a
minute
ago,
about
seating
capacity,
two
letters,
g
h:
I
j
identify
opportunities
for
premium
enhancements.
You
know
you've
got
suites
that
are
part
of
the
ballpark.
Both
you
know
around
behind
home
plate
as
well
as
in
left
field,
but
trying
to
kind
of
diversify
some
of
those
premium
opportunities
for
fans,
so
creating
a
club
space
directly
behind
home
plate.
There's
a
couple
large
open
air
party
decks
that
would
be
proposed
down
the
right
and
left
field
lines,
creating
some
mezzanine
or
upper
concourse
level
suites.
G
I
A
I
I
know
how
important
that
breakfast
is
to
you
councilman,
but
we
got
out
of
the
restaurant
business,
okay
between
losing
losing
on
a
monthly
basis
and
then
the
pandemic.
It's
it's
not
going
to
come
back
any
time
soon.
Now
that
could
change,
but
right
now
we
don't
have
any
plans
to
bring
the
restaurant
back.
We're.
A
I
To
answer
your
question
councilman
about
the
history
there
originally
in
91
when
the
stadium
was
built,
there
was
a
bond
issue.
There
was
private
money
raised.
There
was
the
ball
club
put
in
about
two
million
dollars.
I
believe,
if
I
remember
correctly
and
the
whole
project,
including
the
city's
in-kind
stuff,
the
paving
the
parking
areas,
I
believe,
got
to
upwards
of
about
14
million
dollars,
but
it
was
the
bond
issue.
I
believe
the
bond
issue.
I
I
As
far
as
the
facility
itself
goes
just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
as
to
what's
happened
with
major
league
baseball,
basically
taking
over
minor
league
baseball,
they
have
given
us.
A
new
direction
is
to
accommodating
all
of
the
change
in
how
teams
are
built.
When
I
started
in
1983,
I
had
a
manager,
I
had
a
pitching
coach
and
I
had
a
trainer
and
currently
this
last
year's
staff.
We
had
a
manager,
a
pitching
coach,
a
pitching
evaluator.
I
We
had
a
hitting
coach,
we
had
an
assistant
hitting
coach,
we
have
two
trainers,
we
have
a
weight
guy,
we
have
a
nutritionist,
we
have
two
interns,
medical
interns
and
then
we
go
from
what
was
23
and
24
players
in
a
locker
room
with
maybe
one
or
two
guys
on
the
il
is
upwards.
Now
the
the
roster
is
25,
and
sometimes
we
have
as
many
as
eight
to
ten
guys
on
the
il
in
the
locker
room
at
the
same
time,
and
that
doesn't
include
all
the
rovers
that
come
in
and
out.
I
There
may
be
as
many
as
six
or
seven
instructors
at
any
given
time,
and
then
we
have
no
facility
for
female
activity.
As
far
as
female
locker
room
nutrition,
female
nutritionists,
female
trainers,
the
cubs
even
have
female
coaches
involved
in
the
in
the
system
now
becoming
more
and
more
popular
as
things
are
coming
along,
we
don't
have
any
facility
for
that.