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From YouTube: 3-8-21 City Council Work Session
Description
Des Moines City Council morning work session on Monday, March 8, 2021.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilAtHome
A
A
C
All
right,
good
morning,
everybody
welcome
to
our
monday
march,
8th
city
council
work
session.
Today,
we've
got
a
couple
of
items
on
our
agenda,
we're
going
to
work
on
order,
control
updates,
and
it
looks
like
also
have
a
discussion
on
conflicts
of
interest
quickly.
I'll
kick
it
over
to
scott
scott
anything
to
say
to
kick
it
off
here.
D
E
E
The
contract
would
include.
The
first
part
would
be
training
our
inspectors
on
how
to
detect
and
an
odor.
When
we
get
the
calls
in.
We
did
that
training.
I
don't
know
20
or
some
years
ago
we
haven't
had
any
training
since,
but
there
is
a
science
to
training
people
to
sniff
odors
and
locate
them
and
differentiate
them.
So
that
would
be
the
first
part
of
the
contract.
E
We
think
that's
going
to
take
about
a
year
to
get
through
the
testing
and
the
sort
of
setting
that
threshold
and
then
going
back
to
the
companies
and
starting
to
ask
for
plans
on
how
they're
going
to
meet
the
goal.
So
that's
in
a
nutshell
where
we're
at
right
now
we
are
still
working
on
it.
It's
still
moving
forward
we're
just
in
the
contract
negotiation
stage.
Right
now,.
F
F
B
E
E
C
G
So
I
don't
know
what
they're
doing
at
places
other
than
in
ward
2,
but
I
know
in
ward
2
the
the
soybean
plant
is
tested.
I
mean
they
have
a
running
test.
That's
always
on
have,
and
I
I
know
that
I
mentioned
this
a
couple
of
years
ago.
Suanne
and
said:
are
we
working
with
polk
county
or
the
dnr
or
how
are
we
coordinating
it
together?
G
E
E
E
Not
always
yeah,
not
always
true,
okay,
they're,
two
different
things,
and-
and
I
was
confused
by
that-
also
when
I
started
doing
the
research
and
then
as
I
dug
into
it-
and
you
start
reading
things
about
from
the
industry.
It's
clear
that
pollutants
and
odor
can
be
totally
different
and
and
treated
differently.
D
Yeah
actually
jeff
was
going
to
assist
on
this
one.
I
believe
the
draft
document
was
sent
out
jeff
at
the
end
of
january,
showing
the
potential
changes
the
proposed
changes
to
division
three
of
the
council
ethics
code.
So
hopefully
the
council
has
had
a
chance
to
to
read
through
that
jeff
did
you
want
to
give
a
high-level
overview
of
how
that's
laid
out
or.
H
Well,
the
reality
is
that
we
had
prepared
it
at
least
based
on
what
we
understood.
You
and
I
understood
scott
the
council
to
be
telling
us
and
said
that
we
would
bring
it
back
for
placement
on
the
agenda.
Unless
council
wanted
further
discussion
and
then
several
council
members
indicated
they
wanted
further
discussion.
So
I
don't
really
have.
H
Anything
like
that,
and
I
think,
when
the
discussion
was
had
early
on,
the
idea
was
especially
in,
in
the
exception
section,
to
have
people
as
opposed
to
any
other
type
of
entity
that
are
similarly
situated,
I.e
a
homeowner
for
example,
and
that's
why
the
examples
in
2109
sub
a
on
the
exception
reference
tax
abatement
backflow,
but
the
way
it
reads
now
would
it
would
apply.
It
could
potentially
apply
to
any
entity
depending
on
the
program
and
how
the
program
is
set
up.
H
I
J
H
J
Right,
sorry,
I
I
meant
it
to
be
people
as
yes,
that
that
was
how
I
left
it,
and
so
it
sounds
like
you
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
carve
out
carve
out
a
definition,
so
that
so
that
there
are
different
meanings
here.
The
the
other
question
I
had
on
this
section
was
was
just
related
to
what
offered
citywide
to
all
other,
similar
all
others.
H
Well,
I
I
think
again
that
was
probably
the
intent,
but
you
know
like
the
the
backflow
preventer
program
that
specified
my
understanding
in
scott.
You
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
that
that
has
a
limited
budgeted
amount
for
each
each
year,
so
we
may
need
to
to
change
that
just
to
specify
a
little
more
clearly
that
as
long
as
it's
not
a
a
program
that
that
is
going
to
run
out
of
funds.
D
J
J
G
G
Has
it
has
it
been
a
problem
or
are
we
creating
a
problem,
and
I
guess
that's
something
I
can
ask
legal,
but
it
it
seems
to
me
that
we're
if,
if
I
qualify
or
if
a
family
member
qualifies
for
something
and
the
applicants
are
based
on
their
qualifications,
whether
it's
a
point
system
or
whatever
it
is
that
city
staff
does.
Why
would
we
knock
somebody
out?
Why
would
we
encourage
someone
to
go
somewhere
else
when
it's
a
competitive
process?
G
I
I
find
that
very
interesting,
and
I
know
that
there
have
been
programs
where
council
member's
corporation
has
applied
for
it
and
council
voted
it
down
because
it
was
a
conflict
of
interest,
but
that
money
was
never
even
used.
I
mean
the
next
year
we
came
around
and
said
well
because
we
don't
have
very
many
applicants
we're
going
to
expand
the
program.
G
G
B
D
D
Mayor,
if
I
could,
this
is
scott,
so
we
we
have
yeah,
we.
Obviously
these
programs
are
run
by
staff
based
on
the
guidelines
that
the
council
have
either
put
together
or
assisted
on.
So
the
the
the
reason
for
this
conversation
is
so
that
staff
are
not
put
in
a
place
where,
if
there
is
just,
if
there's
discretion
within
a
program
on
how
to
award
the
funds,
we
need
clear
guidance
on
how
the
council
want
to
be
treated
within
this
policy.
So
there
have
been
questions
before
with
other
programs.
D
We
are
in
a
place
where
we're
able
to
offer
more
and
more
programs
that
assist
our
local
businesses,
and
so
we
feel
great
about
that
opportunity.
But
then
it
then
it
means
there's
a
larger
net
of
businesses
out
there
that
that
were
assisting.
That
may
somehow
appear
to
be
related
to
council
members.
So
we
just
we
need
this
clarity
in
this
policy
so
that,
when
there's
discretion-
and
I
think
that's
what
josh
and
connie
were
saying-
is
it's
the
programs
that
do
have
discretion
that
that
are
most
concerning
the
others
are
not.
D
D
H
As
I
understand
it,
and
so
what
we're
talking
about
is
if
the
entire
program
has
a
limited,
budgeted
amount.
How
how?
How
does
council
fit
fit
into
that,
and
I
I
think
you
know
what
I'm
what
I'm
understanding
here
at
least
so
far,
is
that
if
it's
a
limited
budget,
one
one-time
funding
programs,
then
council
might
be
out,
but
if
it's
not
going
program
year
after
year,
then
council
would
be
able
to
participate.
F
D
J
A
A
If
we
even
had
one
comprehensive
conflict
of
interest
policy,
and
I
don't
believe
we
did,
I
think
it's
in
different
parts,
and
I
think
this
is
just
good
governance,
and
I
think
it
really
gives
clarity
not
only
to
the
staff,
but
it
gives
clarity
to
us,
and
so
that's
why
I'm
supportive
of,
if
there's
some
language
you
want
to
tweet.
But
I
think
we
do
need
one
as
a
council.
F
B
J
You
know
one
of
the
things
and
I
think
the
thing
that
that
gets
a
lot
of
interest
from
from
the
public
is
when
we,
when
we
have
development
agreements
and
provide
incentives
for
for
businesses,
and
I'm
curious
how
this
applies
in.
In
certain
situations
and
with
I
know
in
the
past,
some
council
members
have
raised
concern
about,
for
example,
the
financing
side
of
deals
and
someone
being
on
council
as
well
as
and
passing
incentives
and
then
potentially
their
employer
financing
that
development
agreement.
H
Assuming
that
that
we
know
just
in
the
hypothetical,
if
we're,
if
we're,
assuming
that,
we
know
that
the
financing
is
going
to
be
conducted
by
a
council
member's
employer
or
engaged
by
the
council
member's
employer,
then
the
council
member
would
be
prohibited
from
participating,
taking
any
official
act
or
action
and
that's
defined
to
to
include
any
deliberation,
any
communication
of
their
position.
Anything
they
would
be
prohibited
from
from
participating
in
that.
In
that
kind
of
scenario,.
J
H
If
you
look
at
section
2-108,
that's
on
your
screen,
it
extends
to
conflict
of
interest,
apparent
conflicts,
appearances
of
conflict
and
then
any
potential
conflict.
So
in
those
scenarios
the
council
member
is
required
to
recuse
himself
or
herself
and
can't
deliberate
or
vote
or
participate
can't
take
any
official
act
or
action.
So
if
they
were
going
to
compete
for
the
financing,
they
may
or
may
not
be
the
ones
that
are
going
to
get
it.
A
A
C
J
Yeah,
just
going
back
to
that
that
theme
of
application,
I
and
I
think
it's
we
can
do
this
for
the
general
public
as
well,
but
my
work
as
an
environmental
attorney
has
come
up
at
least
with
some
of
my
colleagues
and
I
I
do
think
the
appearance
of
conflict
will
have
an
impact
in
a
couple
of
scenarios,
and
I
I
wanted
to
go
over
those
for
clarity
too.
So
I
think
there
are
a
couple
main
pieces
of
my
job.
J
The
bulk
of
what
I
do,
for
example,
is
cases
at
the
iowa
utilities
board,
and
I
think
now
that,
as
we
are
going
through
a
comprehensive
climate
action
plan,
there
are
cities
in
in
other
states
that
have
intervened
in
cases
at
the
public
utility
commission
in
an
effort
to
advance
their
their
climate
goals.
And
while
I
don't
think
that
would
be
a
direct
conflict.
J
H
I
I
would
agree
that
it
would
at
the
what
I
want
to
remind
council
of
is
that
all
of
these
I
mean
every
time
you
have
a
conflict
situation.
It
is
highly
dependent
on
the
facts
and
circumstances
of
the
particular
situation.
That's
involved
of
the
particular
transaction
right
so
without
pronouncing
and
and
putting
myself
in
the
corner,
because,
as
you
see
in
the
code,
the
opinions
of
the
city
attorney
and
we're
talking
early
written
opinions,
the
opinions
of
the
city
attorney
are
binding
on
the
city.
H
J
I
think
I
would
just
with
this
policy
in
place.
I
would
just
sit
out
of
that
discussion,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
it
was
gonna
become
a
conflict
or
or
an
appearance
of
a
conflict
sure
that
makes
sense
I.
Similarly
I
I
think
the
other
example
that
that
I
can
think
of
where,
where
it
would
be
appropriate
for
me
to
avoid
discussion,
I
do
register
on
bills
up
at
the
capitol
and
I
think
that
again
likely
falls
in
that
appearance.
J
C
C
A
question
regarding
conflict
because
of
a
name
you
know
if
somebody's
name
was
smith,
I
guess
if
we
had
a
smith
on
city
council,
it
would
be
question
as
to
whether
that
is
it,
but
I
think
you've
been
pretty
clear
as
to
how
deep
that
goes
to
direct
family.
Whatever,
would
you
go
over
that
again,
you
know
sometimes,
if
it
might
be.
H
It
was
not
necessarily
the
majority,
but
it
certainly
wasn't
uncommon
for
cities
to
go
as
far
as
what's
called
the
fourth
degree
of
consanguinity,
and
so,
if
you
just
go
each
step
yourself
to
your
parent,
your
parent
to
their
sibling.
That
would
be
two
steps
to
your
aunt
or
uncle
then
down
to
their
cousin.
H
That's
three
steps,
and
so
that
many
codes
went
to
the
fourth
degree
of
consanguinity
in
terms
of
of
finding
a
presumed
interest,
but
a
lot
of
them
didn't,
and
so
what
we've
defined
out
is
really
based
on
the
the
conversation
we've
had
with
council.
Initially
is
really
about
the
second
degree
of
consanguinity
and
so
for
family
you're.
Talking
about
the
spouse,
your
children
step,
children
and
grandchildren,
parents
set
parents
and
grandparents
and
then
any
immediate
household
member.
H
So
if
you
have
somebody
that's
living
with
you,
even
if
they're
not
related
to
you,
there's
going
to
be
a
presumption
of
a
conflict
if
they're
in
your,
if
they're
in
your
household,
whether
they're
within
that
degree
of
consanguinity
or
not,
so
that
that's
as
far
as
it
goes,
the
name
you
know
when,
when
you
get
to
a
fourth
or
fifth
or
sixth
cousin
there,
there
is
no
legal
conflict.
There
would
not
be
a
legal
conflict
under
this
code.
There
is
no
legal
conflict
under
this,
the
the
state.
H
C
J
J
I
Hey
mayor,
there's
only
a
small
fraction
of
the
public
that
maybe
doesn't
understand
that
the
relationships
to
to
to
what
we're
speaking
of
and
the
immediate
family,
I
think
is,
goes
far
far
enough.
In
my
opinion,
I
don't
think
we
need
to
go
to
brothers,
sisters,
cousins,
aunts,
uncles,
I
think
that's
a
little
misstep,
so
I
would
be
opposed
to
if
we
go
any
further
than
what
this
is.
C
I
Yeah,
I
I
didn't
think
that
the
brother
and
sister
aspect
was
in
there.
I
think
we
just
went
to
immediate
family
only
in
your
household,
and
I
think
that
I
I
think
that
that
steps
out
far
enough
into
what
we're
unleashing
as
a
conflict
of
of
interest.
So
I
would
I
would
be
supportive
of
that.
If
we're,
if
we're
going
to
make
it
steeper,
then
yeah,
I
guess
we
need
to
have
it,
come
back
and
and
have
some
more
discussion
about.
C
H
It
would
be
that
when
we
initially
started
that
we
we
got
feedback
varying
degrees
of
feedback
from
from
council,
and
so
that's
that's
why
we
drafted
it
this
way
it
it
could,
it
can
go
either
way.
I
mean
you
could
limit
it
to
just
those
in
your
household.
You
can
go
out
further
include
brothers
and
sisters
that
would
be
within
the
second
degree
of
consanguinity.
C
B
G
B
J
H
B
J
C
F
H
No
we're
we're
not
at
we
didn't
go
the
consanguinity
route
we
went
with
specifically
after
the
comments
from
council.
We
went
specifically
with
family
specified
family
relationships
so,
for
example,
the
the
brother
sister
example.
That
would
be
the
within
the
second
degree
of
consanguinity
but
they're
not
included.
H
F
C
I
I
C
K
B
K
Literal
sense
but
jeff's
a
smart
guy.
I
that
way
I
explain
the
situation
over
and
done
with.
I,
I
think,
that's
my
goal.
I
don't
know.
If
there's
I
mean
I'm
tickled
to
death,
I've
got
all
my
kids
living
here
in
des
moines.
All
my
brothers
and
sisters
live
in
des
moines.
I
think
des
moines
is
a
great
place
for
people
to
grow
and
expand
their
families,
and
I
want
to
keep
that
going.
C
K
K
K
G
G
Why
is
it
simply
none
of
our
business,
but
I'm
I'm
not
sure
why
we
feel
the
need
that
we
have
to
get
a
policy
in
place
when
we
all
know
what
the
right
thing
to
do
is
you
know,
I
would
never
vote
on
anything
that
any
of
my
family
members
had
anything
to
do
with
other
than
maybe
tax
abatement.
You
know
those
are
all
bundled
together
and
we
vote
on
it
all
at
once,
but
I
I
just
think
that
we're
making
something
out
of
out
of
nothing.
I
mean
it's
not
been
a
problem.
G
G
Why
do
we
feel
the
need
that
we've
got
to
put
a
policy
that
you
know
if
I'm
a
council
member
and
I
work
for
some
somebody
and
that
that
business
wants
to
come
before
council
for
something
that
I
have
to
vote?
You
know
recuse
myself,
it
just
doesn't
make
sense.
It's
not
a
problem
that
I
have
ever
seen,
and
I've
been
following
city
politics
for
a
long
long
time
and
I've
never
seen
it
be
a
problem.
A
A
I
think
it's
good
governance,
as
I
said
before,
and
I
do
think
that
we
have
to
understand
that
when
we
go
in
and
we
ask
for
things
or
people,
there
are
immediate
families
go
in
and
ask
for
things
it's
for
clarity,
so
staff
knows
what
to
do,
or
is
for
us
to
understand
that
it's
not
just
for
this
group,
it's
for
ongoing
councils,
so
I
really
don't
know
what
problems
existed
before.
I
believe
this
is
again.
I
go
back
to
good
governance
that
we
should
have
in
place.
A
G
G
I
mean
I've
got
a
whole
list
of
them
here
in
ward,
2
that
people
are
saying.
Why
do
we
have
to
have
so
many
vacant
buildings?
We
as
a
city
need
to.
I
policy
is
good
and
I'm
all
for
it,
but
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
spend
my
time
working
on
what
I
can
do
to
make
my
neighborhoods
better
and
to
make
my
entire
community
better.
C
All
right
don't
see
more
hands
up
to
jeff
and
to
scott.
Do
we
do
you
have
enough
input
that
we
can
finalize
this
and
and
we
can
move
it
forward
and
be
done
with
it,
and
or
do
you
think
that
we
need
to
put
it
down
in
draft
form
and
bring
it
back
yet
again
for
further
discussion,
I'd
sort
of
like
to
move
it
ahead.
D
H
Yeah,
what
I,
what
I
would
suggest
is
we'll
we'll
draft
it
up
and
if
there's
anything
that
counsel
a
majority
in
the
council,
because
obviously
we
have
some
differing
opinions
here.
So
if
there's
anything,
the
majority
of
the
council
wants
to
do
differently
from
the
draft
that
scott
and
I
submit
they'll
be
able
to
amend
it
on
the
floor.