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From YouTube: 12-20-21 City Council work session
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Des Moines City Council morning work session on Monday, Dec. 20, 2021.
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A
D
B
B
It
increases
the
timetable
so,
where
all
this
started
was
the
state
of
iowa
wants
this
project
completed,
they
would
like
to
have
the
project
completed,
but
they
want
to
make
sure
that
there
is
participation
from
the
communities
that
would
benefit
the
most.
So
that's
where
the
34
million
dollars
comes
from,
we've
had
a
number
of
meetings
with
the
state
because
of
the
dollars
that
they
may
use
being
the
american
rescue
plan
act
dollars.
B
B
The
board
just
approved
a
contract
with
them
last
tuesday,
and
there
is
an
rfq
on
the
street
to
request
for
qualifications
for
the
architectural
firm,
we'll
bring
them
on
so
that
we're
in
ready
to
launch
should
all
this
funding
come
together,
because
the
other
funding
that
we're
seeking,
of
course,
is
federal
funding.
Part
of
that
is
through
the
infrastructure
and
jobs
act
plan,
there's
15
billion
dollars
in
there
for
a
normal
airport
improvement
program
and
then
there's
another
5
billion
in
that
in
that
act
for
terminal
projects
that
is
competitive.
B
B
Portion,
I
do
not
know,
but
I
know
the
more
shovel
ready.
You
are
the
more
inclined
you
are
to
receive
dollars,
and
so
we
are
getting
in
line.
We've
got
the
programming
done,
we
haven't
started,
designing
we're
bringing
the
architectural
team
on
so
that
we
can
say
we're
showing
ready.
We
will
start
designing
more
than
30
so
that
we're
in
better
place
to
compete
for
those
dollars.
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B
B
Correct
the
cities,
in
fact,
altoona
and
bondurant
have
already
gotten
their
resolutions
back
to
me.
I
know
tonight
that
three
communities
are
voting,
what
des
moines
being
one
of
them,
but
west
des
moines,
ankeny
and
urbandale
hasn't
gotten
back
to
me,
but
they
were
talking
about
voting
tonight
as
well.
G
D
B
I
C
Could
real
quick
just
to
remind
the
council
that
this
has
been
the
number
one?
Priority
is
a
large
capital
project
of
the
metro
area
for
quite
some
time,
and
so
it's
just
it's
actually
pretty
exciting.
To
think
that
we've
got
the
opportunity
to
push
it
over
the
finish
line
with
this
action
and
then
the
leverage
that
we
need
on
federal
and
state
funds
to
bring
it
home.
So
I'm
just
excited
to
be
able
to
have
an
item.
That's
been
on
our
list
of
things
to
do
and
find
solutions
for
it.
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E
E
D
B
A
stop
light
was
needed
and
we
couldn't
put
a
new
another
stoplight
at
the
existing
yeah,
but
we
all
know
where
we're
going.
When
we
come
to
the
airport
we're
drawing
passengers
from
92
to
120
miles
away,
they
come
to
the
airport
once
a
year.
They
don't
know
where
they're
going
and
on
the
old
entrance.
As
soon
as
you
pulled
in
on
the
airport,
you
had
to
start
making
decisions
and
it
was
causing
traffic
to
back
up
worse
out
on
the
floor.
If
you
remember.
B
Do
I
go
right
here,
there's
a
parking
lot
over
there,
that
was
employee
parking
or
the
entrance
to
signature,
there's
another
road
that
cuts
left
right
across
from
that.
If
I
go
a
little
bit
further,
do
I
want
to
go
into
the
garage?
Do
I
want
to
go
in
front
of
the
terminal
and
that
simply
was
causing
congestion?
E
B
Allegiant
operating
now
we
have
people
coming
to
the
airport,
who
I'm
sure,
haven't
flown
for
a
very
long
time,
because
they're
I
mean
the
amount
of
10
and
12
ounce,
liquid
shampoos
and
other
things
that
are
being
confiscated
at
tsa
is
just
was
just
horrendous
today.
So
I
think
clearly
they
haven't
gone
through
screening
for
a
while.
So.
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F
B
B
The
reauthorization
bill
is
coming
up,
expires
in
2023
and
passenger
facility
charge
will
be
requested
in
that
bill
from
the
airport
industry,
but
but
I'm
afraid
congress
will
say
well,
we
just
passed
an
infrastructure
bill
and
it's
unnecessary
and
it
is
still
very,
very
necessary.
This
infrastructure
bill
again
it's
a
down
payment
and
that's
all
it
is.
B
If
everything
falls
in
line
here
and
if
the
state
steps
up
with
the
infrastructure
bill
that
was
passed
and
then
there's
some
additional
discretionary
dollars
that
we're
hoping
that
we're
in
line
for
from
the
feds,
then
yes,
we
can.
We
wouldn't
be
out
here
asking
if
we
didn't
weren't,
confident
that
we
could
do
it.
Okay,.
A
So
I
have
another
question
from
a
timing
perspective
and
a
little
frustrating,
and
I
express
this
to
scott.
You
know
we
had
a
budget
meeting
yet
last
week
and
we
didn't
talk
about
this
would
come,
I
think,
from
our
dollars.
We
didn't
talk
about
this
at
all
and
we're
voting
on
a
resolution
potentially
tonight
it.
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B
B
Is
is
des
moines
being
the
largest
metro
in
des
moines
airport
authority.
It
would
help
tremendously,
I
think,
if
des
moines
would
go
and
be
one
of
the
leaders
in
past
and
say
no
we've
done
it.
I
think
that
would
help
with
all
of
the
other,
whether
it's
counties
or
communities
that
we're
asking
it
with
it.
I
think
it
would
help
all
of
them
pass
theirs
as
well.
B
B
A
And
then
is
there
a
certain
amount
of
the
federal
discretionary
dollars
that
that
are
unnecessary
to
come?
In
I
mean
you
said,
the
formula
stuff
is
27
million
and
the
state
and
federal
I
think
you
have
300
million
on
there.
So
is
the
state
going
to
go
up
to
25?
You
know
250
million
like
or
we
think
that
there's
23
million
in
discretionary
50
75
like
what.
B
A
B
B
B
A
A
Any
of
these
numbers
come
in
lower,
like
the
the
federal
or
the
state
coming
lower.
Are
there
ways
to
phase
this
in,
but
is
there
a
piece
that
can
be
taken
out
or
delayed
so
that
the
terminal
could
get
done,
but
like
the
parking
garage
or
the
new
parking
structure?
Later
I
mean?
Is
there
flexibility
or
we
have
to
have
all
this
lined
up
well
for
this
to.
B
B
B
D
B
Airplanes
overnight
on
legion,
that
has
increased
the
leisure
travel
quite
a
bit
just
couple
that,
with
the
pimped
up
demand
from
the
pandemic.
When
business
comes
back,
if
it
comes
back
with
the
same
surge
as
leisure
trouble
has
this
terminal
will
not
handle
it?
We
will
I
mean
we've
gone
right
by
the
14
gates.
We
need
to
put
18
beats
in,
so
the
18
games
are
back
in
there.
B
Swinggates
had
originally
gotten
cut
to
get
it
down
to
that
500
million
dollar
figure.
Originally
gate
allows
for
gates
to
be
used
both
for
international
flights.
You
swing
a
couple
doors
and
then
you
can
use
them
for
domestic
flights
as
well.
Remember
international
flights
have
to
be
kept
completely
separate,
so
we
would
have
two
gates
that
we
would
have
swing
based
and
then
space
down,
underneath,
probably
wouldn't
finish
the
space,
but
actually
have
the
space
for
the
federal
inspection
services
for
those
international
flights.
B
B
It's
less
congestion
quicker
in
and
out
fees
are
a
little
bit
lower
than
they
are
out
of
the
lax
or
or
laguardia
that
those
places
are
landlocked
and
so
they're
looking
hard
at
the
size
of
an
airport,
and
we
cannot
handle
a
commercial
internet
national
flight.
Today
the
airport
handles
about
300
international
flights,
but
they're
all
general
aviation.
If
you
think
about
the
corporations
here
in
town
principal
cortiva,
those
types
of
organizations
that
are
multinational
organizations
they're
flying
their
corporate
aircraft,.
B
Europe,
south
america,
coming
directly
back
to
going
non-stop
and
that
flight
is
getting
handled
by
customs.
That's
what
makes
us
an
international
airport
and
that's
about
300
flights
a
year,
but
a
commercial
flight
we
could
not
handle
because
we
have
no
way
of
keeping
those
passengers
and
baggage
sellers.
B
B
B
J
J
This
has
been
a
project
that
we've
watched
for
a
long
time
and
some
days
I
think
too
long,
but
let's,
let's
keep
it
moving
and-
and
I
agree
with
you-
I
think
that
we've
got
to
lead
by
example.
If
we
want
the
rest
of
our
central
iowa
team
to
jump
in
with
us,
we
can't
be
the
last
one
in
so
kevin
thanks
and
let's
keep
moving
forward.
K
Meanwhile,
our
volumes,
our
review
volumes,
are
up.
So
that's
good
news
community-wide,
I
would
say
so
over
time.
We
believe
that
this
tracking
will
help
us
to
understand
when
and
where
we
have
issues
within
the
code
that
need
update,
that
we
need
to
bring
forward
to
you
for
for
consideration,
so
jason
will
go
through
that
summary,
and
then
we
have
a
couple
of
policy
alignment
issues,
the
first
of
which
is
a
stewardship
change
that
updates
our
codes
to
align
with
the
stormwater
policy
that
you
all
adopted
last
month.
L
K
The
second
of
which
is
a
discussion
on
potentially
expanding
accessory
housing
units
in
the
community,
and
this
would
align
well
with
what
you
did
with
tax
abatement
also
last
month.
So
we
have
some
ideas
there,
then.
Fourth,
we
have
a
proposal
on
looking
at
the
way
that
our
code
requires
undergrounding
of
overhead
electrical.
K
And
while
it's
an
issue
that
you
know,
we
would
really
like
to
see,
I
think
we
all
would
like
to
see
it.
Builds
resiliency
in
the
community
is
just
a
cost
that
is
oftentimes
overly
burdensome
for
projects
to
implement
on
their
own.
So
we
have
some
ideas
there
that
jason
will
present
to
you
and
then.
K
K
K
In
some
cases,
that's
not
necessarily
true,
and
so
we
have
some
ideas
about
how
we
might
look
at
that
moving
forward.
So
with
all
of
that,
it's
a
lot
of
territory
to
cover.
I
believe
that
it
helps
to
show
our
continued
commitment
to
constantly
improving
upon
our
our
codes
as
we
implement
them
and
move
them
forward.
G
As
aaron
alluded
to,
we
have
a
variety
of
subjects
that
we
wanted
to
visit
with
you,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
start
and
kind
of
get
understand
where
the
planning
urban
design
division
is
we're
the
division
that
is
charged
with
implementing
134
and
135
predominantly
so.
I
have
some
numbers
to
share
with
you
and
kind
of
how
what
we've
been
doing
this
year.
What
our
boards
and
commissions
have
been
doing
this.
A
G
Case
load
for
this
year
for
planning
zoning
commission
zone
board
adjustment
and
historic
preservation.
Commission,
the
pnz-
they
see
such
a
variety
of
items.
We
wrote
that
number
out
amongst
the
type
2
kind
of
site
plan
related
reviews
and
then
lumped
everything
else
together
in
a
category
of
three
zonings
plaids
pv
amendments,
vacation
requests.
G
G
G
Vary
from
a
shed
garage
where
planning
staff
is
looking
at
a
setback,
all
the
way
up
to
a
new
construction
house
where
we're
reviewing
the
you
know
the
entire
design
of
the
site,
planning
activity,
63
plats
to
date
again,
this
has
a
wide
range
of
what
that
means.
Much
like
residential
review
that
could
be
applied.
A
survey
where
it's
a
simple
lot
split,
all
the
way
up
to
a
large
subdivision
and
then.
G
D
G
F
G
G
E
L
G
E
G
D
G
You
factor
that
out
times,
12,
that's
still
substantially
higher
than
these,
so
I
and
their
agendas
are
quite
a
bit
less
than
they
used
to
be.
We've
had
a
few
months
where
you
know
they've
been
a
little
higher,
but
still
nothing
like
the
old
days
where
we
might
have
to
take
a
break
and
have
pizza
or
something
and
then
continue.
The
meeting.
G
L
K
K
But
it
looked
to
me
like
our
housing
numbers
were
up.
Our
actual
new
construction
permitting
on
housing
was
up
it's
up
by.
I
want
to
say,
within
the
15
to
20
range,
it's
in
all
of
the
other
types
of
residential
changes
where
I
think
we're
seeing
the
drop
so
I
can
get.
We
can
work
on
getting
you
that
permit
information
over
the
next.
I
don't
know
if
we
can
get
it
out
before
the
holidays,
but
certainly
in
the
next
couple
weeks
we
can
get
that
information
to
you.
K
A
K
F
How
does
that
compare
to
the
suburbs
of
where
their
growth
and
written
residential
has
been?
So
when
you
give
us
those
numbers,
can
you
look
at
you
know
the
grimes,
the
ankenys?
You
know
some
of
those
altoona.
Some
of
those
were
we've
seen
I'd
like
to
know
what
their
growth
has
been
compared
to
what
ours
is.
K
D
G
Well,
I,
as
aaron
mentioned
our
review
times,
have
gotten
substantially
lower
much
more
now
that
we're
kind
of
staffed
up
and
people
are
getting
used
to
the
process
I
haven't
received.
You
know
the
kind
of
angst
and
complaints
that
you
know
when
we
first
rolled
this
out
and
we
were
going
through
reorganization.
G
F
G
Pnc's
already
reviewed
that
they're
meeting
december,
so
it's
affordable
recommendation
approval.
That's
on
your
agenda
tonight
anyway.
You
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you,
you
know,
saw
that
that's
part
of
the
process
that
we're
going
through
it's
one
of
the
one
amendment
where
we'll
be
continuing
to
work
on
other
amendments.
G
F
Can
you
give
us
a
deeper
dive
into
that?
It
was
very
confusing
to
try
to
read
the
blue
letter
and
and
some
of
that
I
had
some
questions
for
scott.
He
gave
this
to
me
this
morning,
but
if
you
can,
if
you
can
go
into
a
little
deeper
dive
and
let
us
know
exactly
what
changes
and
and
how
consistent
that
is
sure.
G
So
then,
from
the
perspective
of
just
chapter
135,
it
it
points
to
chapter
42.,
so
these
stormwater
components
in
in
our
planning
and
design
ordinance
are
very
minimal.
They
just
really
point
to
the
other
part
of
the
code.
I
have
engineering
staff
here
they
can
speak.
If
you
have
questions
specific
to
what's
been
amended
in
42,
we
can
bring
them
up
and
have
them
answer
those
questions,
but
as
it
relates
to
135,
it's
very
just
it's
a
reference.
A
Essentially,
if
you
look
at
what
was
in
135
previously,
it
was
almost
its
own
standalone
language
and
we
now
have
very
specific
language
in
chapter
42,
rather
than
have
that
standalone
language
and
this
reference
that
maybe
aren't
consistent.
What
they
did
is
they
removed
eventual
language
and
just
referenced.
The
chapter
42
steps
that
we
previously
passed.
G
A
J
Is
they
hard
surface
more
stuff?
Is
they
look
at
not
containment,
controlled
release?
They
were
just
dumping
it
in
the
nearest
ditch
and
sending
it
on
to
essentially
end
up
in
linda's
award
around
four
mile
creek,
and
we
were
trying
to
figure
out
how
do
we
control
that
and
get
everybody
to
work
together
to
do
that,
and
I
think
we're
getting
a
little
closer
to
it.
J
As
we
see
some
of
these,
these
events
that
we've
been
working
on
this
for
a
really
long
time,
including
some
of
the
parking
lot
stuff
that
we've
been
working
on
for
literally
decades,
to
try
to
slow
the
flow
that
comes
off
of
these
hard
surface
areas
and
to
lower
the
urban
heat
island
effect
and
everything
else
that
we've
done
to
try
to
improve
our
storm
water
response
and
to
slow
the
flow,
if
at
all
possible.
So
I'm
sorry
about
it.
I
Yeah
no
problem
mayor
council
members,
adam
prelo
city
des
moines
engineering
staff
at
the
permit
center,
so
I've
been
working
with
this
on
with
jonathan
gay,
now
patrick
bean,
I
guess
to
answer
the
question
specifically.
This
capital
crossroads
was
meant
to
bring
all
of
the
standards
of
all
these
communities
together.
We're
essentially
adopting
that
same
thing.
So
the
goal
is
that
all
these
communities
will
have
the
same.
There
might
be
some
subtle
differences,
but
some
of
these
have
already
adopted.
I
I
F
I
F
That'd
be
beneficial
and
who
else
is
considering
some
of
these
updates
and
where
they're
at
in
their
process
sure
if
they're
going
to
the
council,
if
they're,
you
know
if
they're
just
if
they
voted
and
said,
no
we're
not
doing
that.
That
would
be.
That
would
be
beneficial
for
us
to
be
able
to
make
some
educated
decisions
on
what
other
communities
are
doing.
D
A
It
I
mean
there
are
a
couple
of
things
while
you
do
that,
I
mean,
for
example,
the
topsoil
ordinance,
the
buffer
ordinance
that
a
community
like
clyde,
has
done.
That
is
another
best
practice
that
I
don't
think
made
it
into
some
of
this,
but
I
think
those
are
the
type
of
things
that,
if
we're
talking
about
leading
in
the
metro
that
we
should
be
joining
communities
like
clyde,
which
is
also
doing
this,
because
they're
an
impacted
community
they're
sort
of
land
blocking
downstream
we're
downstream
as
well.
F
I
I
Exactly
what
councilman
and
what
councilman
obama
said,
the
the
schematics
of
we
had
the
stormwater's
policy
kind
of
moved
and
lived
into
135
when
that
new
coat
started-
and
this
is
going
moving
to
42-
is
just
a
much
cleaner
way
to
separate
that
it
is
now
not
a
site
plan
issue.
It's
a
stormwater
issue.
So
that's
pretty
that.
G
I
G
G
An
h2
can
be
located
within
the
primary
building
like
a
basement
apartment
that
sort
of
thing,
or
maybe
it's
at
the
back
more
commonly,
we
think
of
them
as
a
detached
structure,
they're
where
you
are,
which
is
allowed
as
well
and
in
one
in
chapter
135,
which
is
the
planning
design
ordinance.
We
have
design
standards
and
performance
standards
for
the
freestanding
ahus.
G
G
G
Right
great
here's
another
example
in
des
moines
on
boston
drive
a
new
construction
example
in
sherman
hill,
and
then
recently
you
might
recall
that
there
was
a
rezoning
request
in
the
wakeland
park,
neighborhood
property
just
north
of
university
to
43rd
street.
Thank
you
to
allow
them
to
be
able
to
build
a
accessory
drawing
unit.
This
is
the
concept
that
we
saw
at
the
zoning
stage.
They.
I
don't
believe
that
they've
moved
forward
yet
with
construction.
A
G
Had
that
question
posted
before-
and
I
have
done
you
know
some
google
search
just
to
see
you
know,
are
we
the
only
community
that
calls
them
something
other
than
adus
and
I've?
Actually
I've
found
them
called
accessory
living
quarters.
So
adu
is
predominant
but
asu,
I
don't.
I
don't
think
we're
too
far
out
there.
So
probably
just
for
consistency
say
keep
it.
That's
called
the
heal
so.
E
G
L
I
G
G
G
K
L
K
E
G
Yeah,
I
don't,
I
don't
see
that
we'd
never
approve
a
lot
split.
I
mean
it's
is
when
somebody
have
the
ability
to
go
to
you
know
like
the
commission.
Get
relief
might
allow
it
sure,
but
I
just
don't.
If
you
look
at
the
way
the
code
is
structured,
how
they're
defined
that
there's
you
know
accessory
to
a
primary
unit
that
the
owner
has
to
live
in
one
of
the
units.
Once
you
divide
the
lot,
you
you're
not
hitting
any
of
the
definition.
A
C
F
G
F
G
G
G
G
F
G
G
G
G
G
So
you
you
have
to
have
a
zoning
district
in
place
that
allows
for
more
than
one
unit
this
we
are
proposing
to
expand
the
ability
to
do
this
and
we
kind
of
have
a
hybrid
approach
in
the
80
districts.
Dxr
rx1
and
rx2
districts
were
suggesting
that
those
be
allowed
by
right
in
those
districts
and
that
the
rest
of
the
end
districts
or
neighborhood
districts
would
be
a
conditional
use
that
would
require
full
adjustment.
The
logic
for
the
four
districts
that
were
suggesting
would
be
by
ryan
those
three
they're,
the
hacks.
G
Those
are
all
mixed
use:
districts
where
your
multi-families
are
allowed,
so
it
makes
sense
to
allow
the
two
units
by
right
kind
of
matches
what
we
did
with
the
next
districts
and
then
the
a
district.
That's
the
ag
district,
where
you
expect
large
lots,
and
so
the
impact
of
somebody
have
an
accessory
housing
unit
on
their
parcel
on
joint
properties
as
middle.
Is
the
lot
size
just
to
show
you
what
that
looks
like
on
map
form?
This
shows
in
orange.
The
areas
where
ahus
are
currently
allowed
by
wright.
G
That's
a
great
question
and
that's
where
I'm
going,
because
we
have
limited
examples
in
des
moines
of
of
this
use
and
limited
experience
and
understanding
how
they
impact
neighbors
and
making
sure
that
we
have
regulations
in
place
that
help
us
make
sure
that
they're
successful.
The
worst
thing
that
we
could
do
is
set
this
up,
where
we
have
a
bunch
where
they
haven't
been
looked
at
terribly
closely,
and
then
we
have
a
lot
of
pushback
on
it.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
successfully
roll
this
out
and
sometimes
to
do
that.
A
G
G
G
H
G
G
G
G
G
C
I
think
the
main
key
here
councilman
is
that
it's
not
an
issue
of
slowing
the
policy
down.
It's
the
reaction
of
the
neighbors,
the
neighborhoods
and
having
this
these
additional
units,
and
how
will
that
reaction
go?
Will
that
be
a
positive
reaction?
And
so
that's
that's
the
key
here.
We
absolutely
could
do
it
by
writing
by
and
by
zoning,
but.
C
A
Yeah,
like
I
said,
I
think,
I'm
I'm
with
council
member
boss.
I
think
we
could
do
this
everywhere
and
I
think
there'd
be
benefit
to
doing
it
everywhere.
I
think
this
is.
This
is
an
improvement
I
mean
allowing
the
conditional
use
everywhere
is
certainly
better
than
where
we're
at
today
and
expanding
words.
A
lot
by
right
is
better
than
where
we're
at
today,
but
I
mean
I'd
like
to
see
I'd
like
to
see
these
a
lot
of
my
right
in
in
more
places
and
quite
honestly,
the
the
quarter
mile
half
mile
from
transit.
I.
D
A
Issue
and
we
might
touch
on
it
a
little
bit
later,
with
the
site
plan
review
trigger
the
parking
minimums.
I
think
we
could
do
the
same
thing.
A
quarter
mile
or
a
half
mile
within
within
a
transit
transit
route,
get
rid
of
the
parking
minimums
all
together
as
well.
So
the
the
mapping
exercise
might
have
multiple
benefits
for
future
policy
decisions.
H
I
do
think
we
still
have
to
understand
those
issues.
I
mean
I've
got
to
imagine
the
area
of
just
parking
on
the
streets
when
you
add
more
dwellings,
when
one
household
is
taking
up
five
parking
spots
already
on
the
street,
I
mean,
I
think
we
to
your
point.
Yes,
neighbors
will
probably
have
you
know.
L
I
I
would,
I
would
agree
with
that.
My
my
position
is
is
yes,
I
think
that
they
should
be.
We
should
expand
the
area.
I
know
that
home
inc
is
currently
building
one
up
on
euclid
it'll,
be
you
know
a
garage
and
then
with
an
additional
dwelling
unit
above
it
I'm
all
for
that,
but
many
of
our
neighborhoods
are
already
on
50
foot
wide
lots
and
parking
is
a
real
problem
on
the
streets.
I
know
in
my
ward,
it's
an
older
neighborhood.
Smaller
lots
of
parking
parking
is
an
issue.
L
I
get
a
lot
of
complaints
about.
Why
does
one
house
get
to
park
six
cars
on
the
street?
So
I
would.
I
would
hope
that
we
would
still
take
into
account
some
parking
minimums
and
is
there
any
number
I
mean
I
think,
of
an
additional
dwelling
unit,
for
you
know
mom
and
dad
as
they
get
older.
They
want
to
have
their
own
space,
but
the
kids
want
them
close
by
that's,
usually
two
people
or
three
people.
Could
you
put
a
family
of
six
in
this
additional
dwelling
unit?
I
mean.
Is
there
any?
G
G
D
G
G
E
G
G
G
We
do
have
some
criteria
in
mind,
and
this
is
based
off
our
experience
with
how
these
cases
have
gone
with
the
commission.
Some
of
the
things
that
we
would
put
into
the
code
and
look
at
the
staff
is,
you
know
it's
location?
Is
it
located
on
a
note
or
corridor,
or
is
it
or
an
area
where
it's
not
important
for
the
utilities
to
be
varied.
G
All
right
next
would
be.
How
does
it
relate
to
the
overall
project
budget
we've
been
using
ten
percent
as
kind
of
a
rule
found
with
the
commission,
so
if
it's,
the
utility
burial
represents
10
or
less
of
the
project
budget,
I
would
use
that
as
a
rule
of
thumb,
but
that
makes
sense
if
it's
over
10
it's
too
much
of
a
burden
on
the
project.
G
The
utilities
are
the
transmission
lines.
How
feasible
is
it
to
bury
them?
What
are
impacts,
I'm
enjoying
property
owners,
sometimes
to
bury
utilities?
It
can't
be
done
unless
you
coordinate
with
a
joining
property
owner
that
isn't
you
know,
planning
on
doing
improvements
like
you
are,
so
that
can
create
a
challenge,
sometimes
just
physical
constraints.
You
know,
pull
down
a
transformer,
there's
no
place
to
put
it
on
the
ground.
D
G
Approach
of
creating
a
type
one,
with
criteria
similar
to
what
we
did
earlier
this
year
with
the
sidewalks,
where
we
had
that
that
was
becoming
an
issue
of
b
and
z,
added
to
cycle
one
to
give
staff
some
flexibility
for
that,
excuse
me,
applicants
and
help
and
that
helped
tremendously.
So
we're
we're
suggesting
doing
the
same
here
with
the
overhead
utility
barrel.
F
G
J
E
D
G
K
Right,
our
intention
with
tax
abatement-
I
can
confirm
this
was
to
was
to
align
our
requirements
with
the
zoning
code.
So
if
we
make
this
change
in
the
zoning
code,
our
tax
abatement
policy
would
align.
So
it's
kind
of
like
the
stormwater
issue.
We
just
talked
about
we're
trying
to
clean
up
some
of
these
requirements
that
live
in
different
places
of
the
code,
so
that
it
ends
up
being
really
confusing
for
people.
It's
like
double
jeopardy.
D
L
K
L
L
G
Thanks
I'll
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
the
last
part
of
the
presentation
before
we
get
into
kind
of
the
weeds
on
some
site
plan
examples
and
how
and
how
they
ended
up
in
our
processes.
I
just
want
to
touch
back
on
point
that
ever
made
in
the
opening
that
site
compliance
is
a
part
of
the
city's
overall
goals
to
improve
our
corridors
and
districts,
that
it
creates
an
opportunity
for
incremental
change
when
an
owner
is
making
changes
to
their
property.
G
Those
collective
impacts
from
people
these
site
plans,
these
projects,
renovation
projects
on
a
quarter
and
district.
They
have
accumulative
value,
they
do
improve
the
experience
and
perceptions
of
the
corridors
and,
as
has
been
mentioned
too
that,
from
the
perspective
of
landscape
and
open
areas,
it's
more
than
aesthetics,
there's
also
opportunities
for
storm
water
management,
improvement.
G
G
E
D
G
Is
the
renovation
expansion
cumulative
permit
value
trigger
change
of
use
trigger
vacancy
trigger
that
last
category?
The
site
plan
amendment
that's
for
when
somebody
has
approved
site
plan
they're
coming
back
and
they
just
want
to
change
something
specific
so
to
make
all
the
numbers
right.
I
have
to
put
that
in
there,
but
that's
kind
of
its
own
thing.
G
G
We
look
at
landscaping
and
buffering
fencing
mechanical
equipment
screening,
whether
it's
ground
mounted
or
rough
mounted
overhead
utility
burial
pavement
and
parking.
How
much
where
it's
at
those
sorts
of
things,
driveway,
placement
and
numbers-
and
the
one
observation
here
is
that
all
these
are
eligible
for
type
1
relief
on
some
level,
except
for
the
utility
barrel,
and
that
was
very
intentional.
G
So
staff
has
the
ability
to
work
with
applicants
to
find
design
solutions
that
make
sense
to
their
site.
That's
a
challenge
with
developing
code.
Is
you
can't
predict
every
unique
circumstance
that
you're
going
to
get
with
every
site,
so
you
have
to
kind
of
create
a
goal
and
then
create
avenues
or
relief
models,
and
that's
what
the
design
alternative
process
is.
I
always
tell
people
it's
there
to
be
a
relief
valve.
It's
to
help
you
it's
to
help.
G
Let
us
be
creative:
it's
not
intended
to
be
a
punishment,
whether
that's
working
with
staff
with
a
type
one
design
alternative
or
going
before
the
commission,
so
the
first
trigger
new
development
includes
complete
redevelopment
required
under
the
previous
code.
Here's
an
example
calls
that
mural
hay
ariel
showing
the
property
after
being
cleared.
G
Of
their
site
plan
and
just
a
highlight
of
some
of
the
design
alternatives
that
were
issued
that
were
site
related,
I'm
going
to
focus
on
site
related
issues
in
this
presentation,
not
so
much
the
architecture.
But
you
can
see
staff
reduce
the
amount
of
previous
areas
required
made
sense
here,
given
the
constraints
and
shape
of
the
site
and
they
worked.
G
Kohl's
worked
really
hard
and
the
mall
folks
to
find
solutions,
and
we
found
a
happy
middle
ground
with
the
parking
lot
islands
they
were
able
to
hit
the
standards
of
an
island
for
every
stall.
Eight
stalls
excuse
me
come
on
this
perimeter,
but
in
this
area
here
is
a
little
more
challenging
and
we
gave
them
a
type
1
to
reduce
that
down
to
there's
actually
11
spaces
between
those
islands,
and
then
they
got
a
type
2
from
the
commission
until
I'll
park
into
the
front
yard
for
a
storefront
building.
G
A
G
G
G
G
Trigger
of
how
we
get
site
plans
in
our
process,
our
renovations
and
expansion
projects
of
an
existing
site.
We
have
what
the
50
rule
applies
here.
So
if
you
are
expanding
the
building
by
greater
than
50
percent
of
the
current
footprint,
you
have
to
do
a
site
plan
and
do
full
site
compliance.
If
you
are
increasing
the,
if
your
project
is
equal
to
50
or
greater
of
the
assessed
value
of
the
building,
that's
also
a
trigger
to
do
full
site
compliance.
G
G
D
D
G
G
The
next
trigger
is
what
we
call
cumulative
permit
value,
so
we
track
your
permits
that
you've
had
since
march
22nd
2004
and
when
the
value
of
all
those
together
equal,
50
or
more
of
the
assessed
value
of
your
property.
You
have
to
do
a
site
plan
at
that
point.
So
that's
that's
catching
small
change
over
time.
So
and
then,
then,
a
certain
point
after
you've
made
in
so
many
improvements.
You
keep
investing
in
your
property.
At
some
point:
hey
you
need
to
invest
in
the
rest
of
the
site.
A
L
Through
because-
and
this
is
the
one
I
think
it's
important-
you
know
it
in
des
moines-
we
have
all
these
older
buildings,
we
have
vacant
buildings
and
it's
hard
to
get
them
improved
when
we
have,
when
you
know
when
they,
when
they
have
to
comply
with
so
many
things.
So
I
would
hope
that
we
would
offer
some
relief.
G
L
D
F
F
When
you
require
some
of
the
new
code,
things
that
that
we're
going
to
require
it,
just
you
just
rather
say
no,
I'm
not
going
to
reinvest
in
our
ability.
So
I
think
those
are
the
type
of
things
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
as
we're
doing
that
as
a
dollar
incest
name.
When
there's
no
economic
incentive,
there's
no
tiff.
F
You
know
there
might
be
a
little
bit
of
tax
abatement,
but
it
doesn't
cover
some
of
the
costs
that
we're
looking
at
to
conduct
to
do
business
actually
in
this
city
other
than
to
move
your
business
into
another
part
and
just
go
build
something
new.
We've
got
to
realize
that
we
could
force
people
out
and
so
I'll
be
interested
to
see
what
some
of
your
you
know
what
we'd
like
to
do,
but
I
hope
that
we
can.
F
G
D
G
An
example
of
a
property
that
hit
the
cumulative
cumulative
permit
value,
iphone's
property
there
on
the
southwest
corner
of
the
intersection.
I
was
doing
a
tenant
build
out.
You
can
see
that
when
it
was
originally
constructed,
it
was
constructed
prior
to
our
previous
landscape
standards.
So,
even
though
it
feels
like
kind
of
a
newer
property
is
actually
fairly,
you
know,
fairly
old
and
so
predates
are.
G
G
Just
re-emphasize:
that's
the
point
of
having
the
design
alternative
processes
to
help
us
find
solutions,
work
with
applicants
to
try
to
find
solutions
and
we've
reduced
or
waived
a
number
of
things
there
I'll
go
ahead
and
go
through
the
list.
We
waived
the
street
tree
requirement
due
to
the
narrowness
of
the
right-of-way
we
reduced.
G
G
We
allowed
an
alternative
landscape
island
design
in
that
south,
so
be
the
bottom
bottom
left-hand
corner.
You
can
kind
of
see
that
landscape
island,
instead
of
putting
it
at
the
end,
there's
a
loading
dock
and
they
had
some
concerns
with
snow
removal.
So
this
was
a
solution
that
staff
and
their
design
team
put
together
and
then
the
parking
lot
island
requirements
along
the
building,
we've
reduced
those
you
can
see
that
there's
really
no
park.
There's
no
islands
along
the
building.
There's
the
one
to
the
east
of
the
building.
G
There's
gonna
be
a
tree
there,
because
that's
where
they're
gonna
handle
their
bike
parking
and
then
they
have
the
one
island
to
the
north
and
then
it
doesn't
show
up
to
everyone's
drawing,
but
there's
actually
a
driveway.
That
takes
you
all
the
fifth
all
the
way
to
59th
street,
it's
physically
impossible
for
them
to
provide
that
buffer
from
the
residential
house
to
the
south.
So
we
waived
that
and
then
this
went
to
the
commission
for
the
utility
burial,
and
so
that's
that's
kind
of
this
problem.
Yeah.
E
You
know
if
you
drive
down
that,
there's
no
trees
anywhere,
it's
pretty
stark,
it's
pretty
dusty!
You
know
we,
I
know
aaron
and
I
have
been
working
on
the
romaine
corridor
plan.
Is
that
something
that
we
can
finally
get
for
him
I'll?
Tell
you
what
it
just
it's
depressing,
because
it
just
nothing
but
asphalt
concrete
and
buildings
just.
G
I
think
we
found
in
this
for
this
particular
site,
given
constraints,
I
feel
really
good
about
the
happy
medium
that
we
found
with
them.
I
mean
you
can
see
it
what's
there
today
is
just
grass,
so
everything
you
see
in
the
drawing
all
those
big
circles,
those
are
trees
and
there's
a
lot
of
shrubs.
This
is
going
to
look
amazing
after
it's
done.
G
Not
excited
they
did
so
they
you
know
they
had
a
contractor,
and
I'm
gonna
touch
on
this
at
the
end
that
they,
this
specific
to
this
example.
This
relates
straight
to
where
it's
going
is
that
you
know
they
came
in
to
get
a
building
permit
to
do
a
tenant
build
out
and
they're
putting
in
you
know
they
had
to
take
time
out,
do
a
site
plan
and
we
actually
issued
the
permit,
but
it
just
kind
of
slowed
them
down
a
little
bit
and
we
worked
with
them,
so
they
could
move
forward,
but.
F
F
G
F
G
It's
not
change
of
occupant,
you
know
it's
not
retail.
To
retail
it's
the
example,
I'm
going
to
show
is
actually
a
former
retail
building
going
to
the
church.
So
it's
change
to
use
you're
required
to
do
a
site
plan,
bring
the
site
into
performance
this
again,
all
these
triggers
they
all
existed
under
the
previous
code,
so
these
are
all
of
them.
G
We've
been
doing
for
a
long
time
on.
The
only
thing
to
clarify
here
is
with
multi-tenant
buildings,
so
we
have
a
strip
building.
This
trigger
only
occurs
if
50
or
more
in
that
floor
area
is
getting
the
changes
of
use.
So
it's
not
going
to
penalize
the
end
of
it.
You
know
like
the
heightener
example,
whereas
a
small
one
particular
tenant,
he
wasn't
hitting
change
or
use.
He
had
the
cumulative
permit
value,
and
also
the
thing
to
point
out
is
you
can
get.
G
G
G
F
L
J
G
D
F
G
Was
being
built
there
so
yeah?
So
this
is
the
change
of
leadership,
and
you
know
all
these.
Have
you
know
all
these
are
great
examples
of
improvement
that
helped
help
the
city,
the
last
site,
planning
compliance
trigger
or
site
plan
tree
requirements
vacancy
for
six
months,
so
the
property's
been
making
for
six
months.
Then
you
have
to
if,
when
you,
when
you
go
to
reoccupy
it,
you
have
to
do
a
site
plan
to
bring
it
into
conformance.
G
G
G
1
on
the
pavement
setback,
they
did
the
what
landscaping
applied
for
a
property
of
this
size
and
then
they
did
go
to
the
planet.
Zoning
commission
to
get
a
tight
tube,
a
lot
of
parking
in
the
front
yard
and
then
the
overhead
utility
burial
with
our
last
round
of
amendments
we've.
Actually
this
wouldn't
have
needed
the
type
two
we
could
have
approved
the
party
thought
project
to
staff
now.
So
I
want
to
point
that
out.
That's
a
positive.
That's
occurred
with
those
changes.
E
Jason
yeah
just
a
quick
question:
why
do
we
pick
a
period
of
six
months?
That's
a
long
time
for
something
to
sit
vape.
Can
we
go
down
to
three
months?
I
mean.
Is
that
going
to
cause
any
pain
to
anybody?
I
mean
there's
nothing
worse
than
seeing
an
empty
building
for
six
months,
man
that
takes
care
of
like
a
whole
summer
or
a
whole
winter.
Well,.
G
Yeah
and
the
six
month
number
is
just
we
carry
that
forward
from
the
previous
code,
and
I
know
over
the
years
the
council
had
changed
that
I
think
at
one
time
it
had
been
a
year
and
then
at
some
point
it
got
reduced
to
six
months
and
I
think
again,
balancing
out
like
priorities
and
stuff
between,
like
the
two
you
know
points
here.
I
think
this,
the
six
months
you.
A
F
So
is
six
months
is
that
if
someone
comes
in
and
starts
the
process
like
we're
going
to
redevelop
that,
are
we
going
to
well?
You
know
in
one
more
month
it's
going
to
be
the
six
months,
and
now
you've
got
to
go
through
the
next
process,
or
are
we
going
to
say
okay,
since
they
came
in
to
apply
for
a
building
permit,
they
met
the
criteria.
They're
not.
G
I
C
C
G
So
last
slide
or
two
here
are
really
suggestions
from
staffs
and
observations
and
something
that
we're
working
on
changing
ourselves
that
we
can
do
on
the
administrative
side
that
doesn't
take
a
code.
Amendment
we've
recognized
all
these
triggers.
It's
really
the
key
to
permit
value.
The
surprise
factor
that
that
I,
that
that
has
been
the
greatest
issue
and
and
it's
because
you
know
people
don't
track
over
time.
They're
building
permits,
it's
not
not
unexpected.
G
D
G
What
we
can
do
this
as
staff
administratively,
the
rest
of
this
next
slide
is
more
things
that
are
code
based
and
some
thoughts.
You
know
some
different
options,
for
the
excuse
me,
council
to
think
through
one
would
be
the
cumulative
permit
value
start
date.
You
know
we.
When
the
code
was
adopted,
we
just
carried
forward
what
we'd
always
been
doing,
which
was.
G
G
A
Like
I
mean
because
we're
going
to
have
the
same
issue,
if
you
just
reset
the
date,
is
it
better
to
reset
the
date
or
the
better
to
make
this
a
10-year
cumulative
permit
versus
a
indefinite
time
frame?
And
so
so
it
starts
rolling
as
soon
as
you
make
it.
Your
first
investment-
and
I
don't
know
the
answer,
but
that
seems
to
be
what
the
issue
is.
G
Yeah
and
we
could-
the
rolling
idea
is
something
that
we
can
sort
of.
Look
at.
I've
got
a
couple
more
things
on
here,
but
I
hadn't
we
hadn't
thought
of
that
one.
That's
another
way
and
again
all
of
these
site
plan
traders
are,
you
know,
we're
trying
to
find
fair
ways
to
implement
them
and
but
also
try
to
get
to
where
we're
wanting
to
have
improvements
on
our
corridors.
G
G
The
another
idea
would
be
to
cap
site
improvements
as
a
percentage
of
the
project
budget
for
existing
sites.
So
if
you
have
an
existing
site,
you're
doing
these
renovations,
we
haven't
done
the
research
as
to
what
makes
sense.
But
you
know
maybe
it's
ten
percent,
it's
twenty
percent
of
your
budget,
the
equivalent
of
that
should
be
spent
on
site
improvement,
so
that
kind
of
so
if
it's
a
small
price,
still
so
small
project,
it's
you
know
nominal
amount
of
work
large
project,
it's
it
makes
more
sense,
so
that'd
be
a
way
to
scale
it.
D
G
G
G
D
G
G
D
F
Is
there
a
way
to
incentivize
existing
sites
to
do
their
site
plan
updates
to
do
the
updates
that
we're
looking
for
for
their
for
their
business?
I
mean.
Is
there
a
way?
I
guess
I
would
look
at
scott
yeah,
you
know.
Is
there
some
type
of
funding
that
we
can?
You
know
what's
going
to
happen,
and
I
know
it
happens
now,
where
people
just
won't
pull,
building
permit
and
they'll
just
do
the
work,
and
so
it
doesn't
add
up
to
that.
C
C
I
would
ask
staff
for
some
more
information
on
how
often
the
site
compliance
is
complied
with
without
any
incentives,
because
oftentimes,
when
you
offer
an
incentive,
you
might
have
had
70
or
80
percent
of
the
applicants
already
complying
without
incentives
that
now
you're
going
to
be
paying
for.
So
I
I
want
to
get
an
understanding
of
how
often
we
have
applicants
come
forward,
who
work
with
us
and
are
able
to
get
this
done
without
incentives.
F
F
C
Actually,
I
like
the
second
one
there
that
says:
there's
like
a
10,
so
if
you're
doing
any
remodeling,
you
might
have
to
add
one
tree
or
two
trees
or
one
island
somewhere
that
type
of
thing
and
and
there's
a
bite
size
opportunity
to
to
get
compliance,
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways.
We
can
resolve
it,
but
I
don't.
I
don't
want
the
answer
to
always
be
incentives,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
compliance
already
without
incentives
that
suddenly,
whatever
source
we
put
towards
it
now
has
to.
F
Be
what
we're
already
getting,
but
in
2004
we
let
them
build
a
building
like
they
did
on
the
corner
of
douglas
and
merle
hay.
Now
they're
coming
back
to
to
get
a
new
tenant
in
there
and
we're
saying:
okay,
you
don't
meet
those
standards
that
we
allowed
and
that's
fairly,
I
mean
that's
a
fairly
new
building.
F
A
C
There
are
parcels
that
aren't
being
developed
today
because
of
their
neighboring
particles,
condition
right.
I
think
we
can
all
agree
with
that
and
so
we're
trying
to
attack
that
with
light
removal,
we're
trying
to
attack
that
with
other,
but
one
of
the
tools
we
we
have
to
leave
on
the
table.
We
can
change
it,
we
can
improve
on
it,
but
one
of
the
tools
we
have
to
remain
on
the
table
is
bringing
older
properties
up
to
standard
right.
D
A
It
works
both
ways
right
because,
if
we're
successful
on
a
corridor-
and
you
give
too
many
outs-
exceptions
like
you're,
gonna,
you're,
gonna,
freeze
in
and
under
utilize
building
on
a
corridor
too-
I
mean
so
this
is
the
challenge
here.
Is
we've
got
multiple
pieces
that
we're
trying
to
trying
to
do
right
because
I
don't
want,
for
example,
like
we
just
ran
into
this.
I
don't
want
the
star
gas
station
on
ingersoll
to
be
able
to
get
exceptions
so
that
they
can.
A
D
A
A
C
D
A
But
there's
a
lot
of
angst
until
they
find
out
what
this
really
means
and
how
many
conditions
are
going
to
be
weighed
and
that
pushback
and
the
timing
and
the
process
triggers
a
lot
of
calls
to
council
members
and-
and
I
think
a
recent
example
that
comes
to
mind
is
the
food
bank
of
iowa.
Michelle
book
is
very
good
at
navigating
through
the
social.
D
A
Architects
is
so,
I
think
we
need
to
really
improve
the
process
communication
with
the
property
owner
like
okay,
we're
we're
going
to
have
to
work
with
you
on
this
and,
like
don't
wig
out
on
this,
but
you
know
here's
what
we
can
do.
So
let
me
know
up
front
that
there
are
some
staff
steps
and
what
the
timeline
is
just
be
more
helpful
to
the
people
that
are
trying
to
improve
their
properties
and.
L
G
H
G
G
F
So
so
it's
great
to
hear
you
say
that,
and
so,
instead
of
coming
up
with
no,
you
have
to
do
this.
This
is
what
it
says
in
chapter
134,
135
being
more
customer
oriented,
I
love
hearing.
You
say
that
in
finding
answers
and
finding
solutions
for
them
to
say
yes,
you
have
to
do
this,
but
we're
going
to
give
you
x
amount
of
time
or
we're
going
to
help
you
or
we're
going
to
wait
these
things.
F
D
F
G
F
F
Being
customer
oriented
and
finding
solutions,
and
just
not
the
hard,
no
sure
you
have
to
do
it
like
this,
that's
that's
where
I
think
the
frustration
for
business
owners
and
property
owners
you
know
trying
to
just
do
business
and
keep
their
business,
keep
their
property
up.
You
know
they're,
you
know
they
feel
like
they
can't
win.
D
H
Would
be
helpful,
especially
for
small
businesses.
I
know
there's
one
on
each
grant.
That
sounds
like
an
exorbitant
about
of
trevor
and
trees
for
the
business
they're
doing,
but
is
there
a
phased-in
and
I
think,
being
forced
with
them,
but
even
for
especially
for
small
people
in
a
limited
amount
of
space
to
try
to
figure
out
that,
but
to
have
a
plan.
H
F
F
You
know
I
did
all
the
improvements
I
planted
the
landscaping
around
the
residential,
but
if
I
have
to
go
back
and
tear
up
every
nine
spots
in
my
parking
lot,
when
I
had
to
go,
buy
houses
to
put
additional
parking
there
that
that
to
me
is,
it
doesn't
make
sense
as
a
business
owner
that
I'm
going
to
now
lose
parking
and
after
I
already
went
through
the
process,
did
the
landscaping
that
was
required,
and
you
know
I
now
that
we've
changed
it
now.
Now
it's
an
additional
cost.
F
D
F
That
has
invested
in
their
business
and
wants
to
continue
to
invest
in
their
business,
but
the
requirements
that
we're
putting
on
them
it,
it
just
doesn't
make
sense.
It's
like
okay,
forget
it,
I'm
not
going
to
do
anything,
I'm
not
going
to
do
anything
else
to
the
building,
so
that
that's,
if
you
look
at
it
through
a
different
lens
and
all
of
us
need
to
kind
of
look
at
it
through
a
different
lens.
I
know.
I
F
H
A
A
D
G
A
Like
I
don't
want
to
delay
getting
getting
this
done
so
that
we
have
it
available
by
writing
more
places
and
we
have
the
conditional
use
in
place,
but
I
would
like
to
see
the
expanding
it
and
the
the
minimum
the
minimum
parking
question.
I
know,
for
example,
you
know
on
ingersoll
when
you
have
these
redevelopment
issues.
Sometimes
parking
is
one
of
those
site
plan
compliance
issues.
That
is
an
issue
in
being
able
to
invest
and
redevelop.