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From YouTube: 9-20-21 City Council work session
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Des Moines City Council morning work session on Monday, September 20, 2021.
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B
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A
A
I
wanted
to
just
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
the
polk
county,
water
and
then
legacy
bond,
so
this
bond
is
actually
coming
up
this
november
and
since
the
city
of
des
moines
has
been
such
a
critical
partner
in
the
past
and
of
course
your
constituents
might
have
questions
and
you
might
have
questions
yourself.
We
thought
it
was
good
to
do
the
road
show,
and
so
I'm
out
talking
mostly
with
all
the
cities
and
then
other
partners
too,
about
what's
happening
here.
A
A
Recognize
a
lot
of
people
up
there
mark
ackelson,
a
former
president,
ceo
of
iowa
natural
heritage
foundation.
He
was
the
one
that
in
2012
headed
that
campaign
and
which
was
50
million
dollars,
and
we
got
a
72
percent
affirmative
vote
from
polk
county
voters
at
that
point
in
time,
tom
levis,
an
attorney.
He
was
a
long
time,
member
of
polk
county
conservation
board
as
a
co-chair,
pat
beauty,
former
director
of
polk
county
conservation,
deputy
director
of
dnr,
a
number
of
other
things.
A
Most
people
know
pat
chris
hensley,
which
a
lot
of
you
of
course
will
know
gary
nugent
again,
a
well-known
local
person
and
ryan
crane
ryan's
from
west
des
moines
he's
the
philanthropic
director
at
the
des
moines
playhouse,
and
the
current
chair
of
coke
county
conservation
board.
So
we
think
we've
got
a
pretty
well-rounded
team
going
into
this
effort.
A
Here's
the
main
reasons.
The
five
reasons
we're
given
to
support
the
the
legacy
water
quality,
protecting
the
watershed
around
the
des
moines
and
raccoon
wildlife,
habitat
and
flooding.
I'm
going
to
go
through
a
few
examples,
as
I
go
along
here,
and
especially
with
des
moines,
we've
been
critical
partners,
hand
in
hand
on
a
lot
of
different
things:
here's
the
nuts
nuts
and
bolts.
So
it's
an
off
year,
election
november,
2nd
and
off
year
elections.
A
So
it's
a
different
demographic
going
into
this,
but
we're
really
comfortable,
I'm
going
to
show
you
some
polling
numbers
later
on
where
we're
at
right.
Now,
it's
a
20-year
bond
cost
of
the
average
homeowner
in
polk
county
is
11
per
year.
We
feel
pretty
good
about
that
number.
We're
involved
with
the
trust
for
public
lands.
They
do
this
across
the
nation
and
they
say
you
know
what,
if
you're
at
20
25
you're
good
30,
you
start
questioning.
A
11
is
a
great
number,
so
some
of
that
has
to
do
with
our
valuation
here
in
polk
county
and
how
well
that's
held
up
the
the
ratings.
The
outlooks
and
everything
are
looking
really
good.
Another
key
point
on
here
is
we
leverage
this
money?
This
money
is
gold.
You
can
use
it
for
grants
and
federal
money.
State
monies
things
like
that,
so
that
50
million
dollars
that
we
got
we've
so
far
turned
that
into
a
little
over
92
and
I
think,
we'll
hit
100
before
it's
done
one-to-one
leveraging.
A
So
here's
some
of
the
things
we
did
at
the
last
one
and
of
course
some
of
these
are
within
the
city
of
des
moines
right
eastern
lake
park
and
that
park
has
just
exploded.
We've
got
some
great
partners
sitting
right
here
on
that
easter
lake
park.
What
we've
done
with
the
lake
itself
the
trail
system-
you
all
have
connected
the
des
moines
trail
system
to
that
we're
hand
in
hand
with
ewing
park
and
easter
lake
park.
A
Last
year
alone,
we
registered
1.3
million
visitors
at
easter
lake
park
overall
in
our
park
system
and
trail
system
4.2
million
last
year,
which
was
a
31
increase.
So
covid
has
affected
many
different
parts
of
society
in
different
ways.
For
us,
it
has
just
been
mayhem.
It's
we
have
been
so
busy
as
people
go
more
outside
some
other.
A
There
just
park
nature
center.
Of
course,
four
mile
greenway
hand-in-hand
with
the
city
of
des
moines,
as
the
flooding
events
of
a
couple
years
ago
happened,
and
you
all
deliberated
on
what
you
were
going
to
do
to
respond
to
that
we
partnered
up
with
you,
went
through
bought
the
homes
did
what
needed
to
be
done,
and
now
we
have
about
a
640
acre
greenway,
going
through
the
east
side
of
des
moines.
That,
I
think,
has
been
an
incredibly
successful
partnership.
A
Here's
the
distribution
of
funds
so
most
of
it
going
toward
water,
then
parks,
land
and
trails.
Following
after
that,
and
even
a
lot
of
this
other
stuff,
I
mean,
if
you
took
it
and
sliced
and
diced
it
different
ways.
I'd
say
about
half
of
it
goes
toward
water
because
even
a
lot
of
the
acquisitions
that
we
do
in
the
land
that
we
purchase
is
targeted
at
water
quality
or
some
thing
to
do
with
water,
water
retention,
flood
protection,
remediation
of
stream
banks,
creation
of
wetlands
all
these
different
things.
A
A
A
Doesn't
have
anything
like
this,
it's
cecily
p
hollow
now
we're
going
to
take
it
with
cooperation
of
rook
and
mary
flat
and
bring
it
to
that
next
level.
We're
going
to
continue
on
with
the
snow
operations
that
they
have,
but
we're
likely
going
to
add
skiing
snowboarding,
bring
that
back
cross-country
skiing
snowshoeing
in
the
summer
we're
going
to
build
a
full-service
campground
60
sites
out
there,
which
would
be
really
nice
when
state
fair,
kicks
in
we'll
be
having
tent
camping.
It's
along
two
trail
systems.
A
So,
along
its
eastern
side,
the
gately
wilson
trail
runs
we're
gonna,
be
building
the
trailhead
and
it
connects
kind
of
to
those
eastern
suburbs.
You
know
up
into
pleasant
hill
and
altoona
and
then
even
shooting
down
south
toward
carlisle,
and
it
is
water
trail
too.
You've
got
four
mile
running
right
through
there,
so
we've
already
got
an
entrance
of
four
mile
up
at
malley's
park
in
berwick
and
then
we're
looking
at
another
one
in
four
mile
community
center
and
now
again
at
sleepy
hollow.
So
it's
got
strategically.
A
It
was
a
fantastic
placement
for
us
we're
doing
more
with
trails
connecting
communities,
one
that
might
be
of
interest
to.
You
is
just
north
of
the
city
along
broadway,
so
we've
got
chachaqua
valley
trail
coming
down,
then
it
kind
of
dead
ends
at
broadway.
There's
a
big
street
project
that
polk
county
public
works
is
doing
broadway
clear
over
to
bridgestone
firestone
on
second
avenue.
There's
going
to
be
a
trail
system
along
that
too.
A
No,
it's
not
I'm
going
to
say
something
about
the
water
trails,
too.
Copper
creek!
If
you
know
where
that
is
over
in
pleasant
hill-
and
it
has
a
perimeter
trail
around
it,
just
north
of
that
there's
42
acres
that
we
just
bought
and
we're
going
to
be
doing
single
lane,
bike
trails
over
there
mountain
biking,
trails
and
just
to
the
west
of
that
property.
You
own
property
and
been
working
with
scott
and
ben
page
and
looking
at
putting
in
a
parking
area
trailhead
right
there.
So
it's
another,
really
nice
cooperative
project.
A
Last
thing
I'll
talk
about
is
central,
iowa
water
trails.
15
million
of
this
goes
toward
the
central
at
water
trails.
Now
that
doesn't
mean
we
just
write
a
check
here.
You
go,
have
some
fun,
there's
some
pretty
heavy
strings
that
come
with
this.
Of
that
15
5
has
to
be
polk
county
conservation.
So
it's
going
to
be
our
inlets.
You
know
walnut
creek
and
beaver
creek
and
4
mile
things
like
that.
A
10
million
goes
toward
the
icon
effort,
but
there
again
it's
not
just
writing
the
check
we
have
to
own
or
manage
forever
what
we
use
bond
money
on.
That's
why,
when
we
went
through
the
four
mile
greenway
and
the
buyouts
that
we
wanted
to
use
some
of
our
money
and
partners,
so
we
partnered
up
with
you,
put.
A
But
then,
ultimately,
we
have
a
lot
of
foresters
and
horticulturist
water
quality
specialists
and
that
we
ended
up
actually
managing
that
land.
You
sign
that
over
to
us,
the
central
iowa
water
trails
that
10
million
dollars
has
to
be
something
that
we
own
or
manage
forever,
so
whether
we
take
over
operations
of
the
center
street
jam
or
scott
street
or
I'm
not
sure
what
that
all
looks
like
yet,
but
we're
going
to
have
our
fingers
deep
into
this
pie
once
this
gets
going
so.
G
A
A
A
Also
so,
and
some
of
that,
specifically
some
of
it's
generally
so
more
like
an
example
yellow
banks
park,
we
with
our
last
bond,
we
spent
about
a
million
dollars,
redoing,
yellow
banks
pond,
and
then
we
targeted
four
acquisitions
to
protect
the
headwaters
of
the
water
going
into
yellow
banks
pond
a
better
example
for
the
city
of
des
moines
would
be
yader
creek,
where
yader
is
what
supplies
easter.
So
we've
been
working
with
the
soil,
water
conservation,
district
and
other
partners
to
target
practices
and
land
elongator
to
protect
easter.
G
A
Hollow
would
be
mostly
parks,
but
some
of
it
might
be
well
the
land
we're
buying
from
the
last
bond,
with
polk
county
they're,
paying
half
some
of
the
trails.
So
when
we
do
the
trailhead
for
the
gailey
wilson
trail
that'll
be
part
of
it,
part
of
the
water
will
be
the
water
trails
piece
of
the
water
and
then
the
other
water
piece
might
be
the
or
the
part
the
water
piece
will
be.
The
stream
bank
remediation.
A
So
four
mile
is
broken
along
there,
we'll
be
fixing
that
and
then
the
parks
piece
we'll
be
looking
at
a
campaign.
That'll
probably
be
another
three
four
million
dollars
of
improvements
at
sleepy
hollow
I'm
guessing.
We
won't
use
more
than
a
half
million,
a
million
of
that
parks
and
then
fundraise
for
the
rest.
G
A
E
A
A
These
are
usually
older,
more
conservative
voters
that
we
have
in
off-year
elections
at
the
onset
we're
looking
at
75
approval.
That's
a
pretty
amazing
number
and
you
know
you
knock
on
wood
every
time
you
see
that
because
you
all
are
in
politics,
you
know
how
polls
go
so
we're
doing
we're.
Looking
really
good
right
now.
Last
time
at
this
point
in
time,
with
the
2011
2012
effort,
they
started
with
48.
A
A
D
A
A
You
know
it's
a
it's
a
hot
heavy
conversation
when
there's
a
flood
and
then
it
dwindles
over
time
because
there's
other
things
that
come
up
and
are
important,
but
I
do
think
it's
going
to
be
a
persistent
conversation
here
in
the
des
moines
metro
at
how
do
we
we
have
saylorville
on
the
des
moines
got
that,
but
what
about
all
these
smaller
creeks?
We
know
that,
with
climate
shifting
we're
seeing
these,
you
know
dramatic
events
where
you
get
12
inches
of
rain
dumping
in
ankeny.
Here
it
comes
right.
A
This
is
drinking
water
sources.
Now
you
know
this
is
a
long
involved
conversation,
and
this
is
an
educated
body
and
I'm
not
just
trying
to
butter
you
up.
So
we're
not
going
to
fix
the
raccoon
river
with
this
money
right.
But
what
we
are
going
to
do
is
fix
a
lot
of
these
smaller
watersheds
that
contribute
to
the
raccoon
river.
That's
going
to
have
a
impact
there
and
then
a
lot
of
what
we're
setting
up
for
with
icon
the
iowa
central
water
trails.
A
Thing
is
going
to
be
looking
at
upland
water
practices,
so
it'll
be
gathering
state
support,
federal
support,
targeting
programs
that
are
looking
at
protecting
the
water
body.
It's
a
different
way
than
it's
been
done.
Historically,
so
you
know
you
can
do
things
like
that
through
regulation,
you
can
attend
things
like
that
through
legal
action
and
lawsuits,
or
you
can
do
things
like
that
with
just
going
in
and
elbowing
in
with
some
money.
So
this
is
probably
more
of
the
third
going
at
looking
protected
interest.
A
I
will
mention,
because
I
know
a
lot
of
you
are
hip
deep
in
water
quality,
we're
doing
all
the
monitoring
so
right
now
we've
got
about
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
going
over
the
last
two
years
for
water
monitoring,
we're
looking
at
human
pathogens,
we're
looking
at
sediment,
so
how
clear
the
water
is
and
of
the
relationship
to
e
coli
if
it's
predictable.
So
if
sediment
goes
up,
does
e
coli
go
up
and
is
that
something
we
can
use
and
be
unpredictable
we're
doing
massive
risk
assessments?
A
So
what
does
this
look
like
for
different
user
groups?
A
kid
puts
in
the
water
trying
to
catch
a
frog
is
much
different
than
somebody
do
fallen.
Immersion
swimming
is
much
different
than
somebody,
that's
just
paddling,
on
top
of
the
water
and
it's
different
at
different
water
levels.
So
it's
a
very
dynamic
system,
but.
G
That's
true
and
the
talk
about
this
risk
assessment
and
the
way
that's
being
framed,
I
think
actually
is
I
mean
I
think
it's
really
problematic
from
a
water
quality
perspective,
and
so
I'm
really
concerned
about
that
type
of
language,
and
I
don't
think
that
it's
actually
I
I
almost
think
that
it
could
be
harmful
for
our
efforts
to
get
our
water
quality
cleaned
up
to
protect
our
drinking
water.
If
we
continue
playing
it
up
in
that
way,.
A
G
A
And
the
you've
got
different
water
bodies
that
have
different
characteristics.
Also,
so,
like
you
have
some
groups
in
the
state
that
have
said
the
water
quality
is
just
fine
wherever
it
is,
and
it's
always
been
this
way
and
just
suck
it
up.
Buttercup
you've
got
other
sides
that
say
the
water
is
horrible.
You
put
your
foot
in
it
and
you
it's
gonna
fall
off
right,
so
reality
is
somewhere
in
between
there
and
it's
different
for
different
water
bodies.
So
if
you
go
to,
let's
just
say
water
clarity,
the
raccoon
river
is
awful
right.
A
It
looks
like
chocolate
milk
most
of
the
year,
and
we
know
with
that.
There's
nitrate
loads
right,
beaver
creek,
on
the
other
hand,
looks
pretty
good
most
of
the
year
and
so
there's
very
little
risk
of
being
on
beaver
creek
and
it
looks
good
and
it's
largely
a
healthy
system.
So
how
do
you
reconcile
that?
How
do
you
spend
money
to
influence?
G
A
G
A
J
A
I
acknowledge,
and
this
isn't
world
peace,
that's
why
I
go
through
this
language
and
I
try
to
accurately
portray
the
effect
that
we're
going
to
have
in
the
effects
that
we're
not
going
to
have
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
work
to
be
done
when
it
comes
to
the
des
moines
waterworks
concerns
and
what
they
have,
but
they
have
been
hand
in
hand
with
us.
This
whole
way,
in
fact,
most
of
the
laboratory
analysis
that
we're
doing
is
in
cooperation
with
the
des
moines
waterworks.
A
A
Looking
for
rna
and
dna
of
human
pathogens,
we're
also
source
testing,
so
we're
going
to
be
able
to
tell
if
it's
pigs,
cows
or
humans
as
we
go
through
these
testings
and
once
we
know,
we
can't
not
know
right
so
that
information
will
have
to
be
dealt
with,
whether
on
a
state
or
federal
level.
So
we
can
have
more
detailed
conversations
offline.
If
I
know
your
time
is
valuable
here,
too,.
D
A
E
A
A
A
This
was
actually
pretty
amazing
and
actually
the
polk
county
board
of
supervisors
came
in
just
lower
than
this
for
any
government
body,
whether
you're
president,
a
governor,
a
senator
city
council
person.
This
is
a
hard
number
right
because
everybody
always
rails
against
the
government.
So
we
feel
pretty
good
going
into
this,
that
we
have
said
what
we
were
going
to
do
and
then
did
what
we
said
we
were
going
to
do.
That
builds
trust
over
time.
So
I
think
overall,
we're
sitting
pretty
good.
A
C
K
K
The
property
improvement
initiative
is
a
program
that's
going
to
be
designed
to
encourage
incentivize
and
assist
des
moines
residents
in
repairing
and
maintaining
the
exterior
of
their
homes
or
the
commercial
buildings
in
our
city,
we're
only
looking
at
the
exterior.
We
don't
intend
this
program
to
go
inside
of
owner-occupied
structures
to
look
at
any
kind
of
electrical
plumbing
or
mechanical
systems.
What
we're
looking
at
is
to
stabilize
the
envelope
of
the
structure
and
keep
the
structure
secure
so
that
it
can
continue
its
habitability.
K
So
when
I
looked
for
similar
programs
in
iowa,
I
came
up
with
quite
a
few
different
places
that
also
have
adopted
the
property
maintenance
code,
the
international
property
maintenance
code
and
are
using
that
to
look
at
owner-occupied
structures
in
their
jurisdictions
of
these
one,
and
I
can't
off
the
top
of
my
head,
remember,
which
one
it
was
had
on
its
website:
information
about
assistance
for
people
in
improving
their
property.
But
it
was
more
like
you
know
where
you
could
get
a
loan
or
that
type
of
thing,
rather
than
assistance
from
the
city
itself.
K
B
I
mean
it's
years,
isn't
it
I
mean
I've
sat
and
had
multiple
homes
for
years
sit
there
boarded
up,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
to
say
when
you
say
stop
the
cycle.
How
long
is
that
cycle,
and
when
does
it
start,
and
when
is
it
completed,
because
that's
important
that
all
of
us
understand
that
including
our
residents.
K
I
think
when
you
look
at
the
cycle
it
it's
probably,
it
could
be
up
to
10
years
of
steady
decline
before
it
gets
to
the
point
where
we
can
declare
it
a
public
nuisance
which
gets
us
into
the
cycle
of
of
potentially
tearing
it
down.
And
how
long
is
that
cycle
that
cycle
used
to
be
eight
to
ten
years,
because
we
didn't
have
money
now
we
have
blitz
on
blight
and
hopefully
it's
gonna
speed
it
up
now
we're
sort
of
stalled
because
of
the
court
system.
K
K
Because
if
you,
if
you
have,
if
you
can
get
a
default
decree
because
they
don't
play,
you
know,
they'll
come
to
court,
then
we
can
get
it
really
fast,
okay,
but
we
have
trials
set
out
into
2022
for
stuff.
That's
been
on
the
you
know,
filed
18
months
ago,
okay
and
that's
that's
just
the
product
of
covid
and
the
court
system
and.
K
B
Okay
and
then,
who
takes
care
of
the
property,
because
what
I've
seen
is
once
it's
boarded
up
and
once
it's
sitting
there
I
mean
you
have
to
call
the
wheat
commissioner
to
cut
the
grass.
I
mean
it's
just
an
absolute
nuisance
to
the
entire
neighborhood.
All
the
time
for
years
so
is,
is
that
the
person.
E
K
L
B
But
to
my
point
you
know
I
understand
all
of
those
issues,
but
as
the
house
sits,
there
boarded
up
nobody's
taking
care
of
the
property.
So
it's
you
know
all
the
neighbors
are
taking
care
of
all
their
property,
but
that's
sitting
there.
So
that's
part
of
the
cycle.
I
think
that
we
need
to
say
that
we're
correcting.
K
Well
and
the
hope
is
it's
not
going
to
stop
all
of
this,
and
it's
not
going
to
stop
it
immediately,
but
if
we
can
get
in
there
before,
the
house
gets
deteriorated.
The
point
where
it's
uninhabitable
by
securing
the
envelope
and
making
sure
the
roof
doesn't
leak
and
that
the
windows
aren't
falling
out
so
that
the.
E
K
Is
getting
in
and
all
of
a
sudden
you
have
interior
damage
to
the
structure,
which
then
makes
it
further
impossible
to
save
if
we
can
get
in
there
before
that
starts
to
happen
secure
the
envelope
you
know,
maybe
that
person
can
stay
there
and
age
out
there
rather
than
have
to
move,
and
then
it
just
you
know
everybody
walks
away
and
it
becomes
our
problem
10
years
later,
we're
taking
it
down.
Well,
that's
too
long
to
have
it
sit
there
in
our
neighborhood
deteriorating.
That's
just
that's
unacceptable.
K
K
You
know
the
diversity
and
character
of
des
moines
neighborhoods
is
what
makes
us
unique
and
what
makes
a
strong
city,
but
we
all
know
you
know
we
have
aging
housing
and
commercial
stock.
I
mean
that's
just
that's
just
the
truth
and
we
need
to
somehow
be
able
to
get
ahead
of
the
decline
so
that
that
aging
housing
stock
stays
in
our
in
our
inventory
and
can
be
used
for
work
force.
You
know
housing
and
keep
it
there.
K
K
We
all
know
this
is
going
to
present
a
unique
opportunity
and
it's
a
huge
challenge,
but
staff
is
really
excited
about
this.
We
think
that
this
is
extending
what
we
promised
to
our
neighborhoods
as
an
extension
of
the
local
option:
sales
tax.
You
know
we
kind
of
promised
that
we
were
going
to
strengthen
neighborhoods.
As
part
of
that
initiative,
we
started
blitz
on
blight.
We've
done
some
street
repair
stuff
with
local
options.
Sales
tax.
B
So
suing
not
to
interrupt,
but
this
is
probably
a
question
for
scott
as
we
go
through
the
commercial
stock
and
part
of
the
reason
that
I
believe
the
commercial
stock
is
empty
is
because
of
our
requirements
that
were
were
putting
on
older
buildings
to
get
back
up
to
the
to
the
current
code.
What
we
want
it
to
be
and
and
that's
fine,
but
you
have
to
look
at
dollars
and
cents.
What's
what
is
it
going
to
take
for
someone
to
come
in
and
revamp
that
building
and
then
open
up
a
business?
B
And
if
we
don't
incentivize
some
of
those
things
to
get
to
that
new
code?
That's
why
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
the
commercial
stock
just
sit
empty,
because
it's
too
expensive
to
go
in
and
and
and
fix
it
up
and
use
it.
It's
cheaper
to
go
somewhere
else
and
just
build
a
new
one.
And
so,
if
we're
not
going
to
take
a
look
at
that
with
our
with
our
new
code,
then
we'll
never
be
able
to
fix
that
commercial
portion
of
it.
In
my
opinion.
B
L
B
B
B
You
know
commercial
buildings
that
are
in
these
nodes
or
even
in
the
neighborhoods,
to
have
the
owners
put
money
back
into
it,
but
you
have
to
make
it
affordable
dollars
and
cents
wise
where
they
can
still
conduct
business
and
you're
not
going
to
strap
them
down,
and
they
can
never
pay
for
it.
Because
that's
where
we're
seeing
the
problem
where
people
are
just
saying
hey,
I
can't
afford
it.
B
You
know
to
do
all
these
things
that
the
city,
if
I
do
one
little
thing,
they're
gonna,
require
me
to
spend
x
amount
of
dollars
and-
and
that's
where
we're
at
right
now
and
that's
why
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
the
commercial
stock
people
are
going
and
just
building
new,
and
so
you
we
really
need
to
take
a
look
at
that.
Sorry,
I
didn't
mean
to
derail
your
that's
fine,
but
that
that's
before
it
gets
to
there.
We've
got
to
have
tools
in
our
toolbox
to
be
able
to
help
owners
of
buildings
to
do
this.
C
And
just
to
add
to
that,
I
know
that
I've
talked
to
chris
suanne
scott.
We
need
a
vacant
building
ordinance.
First
of
all,
and-
and
I
know
I've
sent
you
several
emails
over
the
last
week
or
so
that
are
examples
of
of
commercial
properties
that
are,
you
know
they,
the
old
post
office,
on
on
stovid,
I
mean
suen,
we've
been
talking
about
that
building
for
five
years
and
nothing
changes
with
it,
because
the
owner,
I'm
sure
some
multiple
pulse
parcels,
were
bundled
up
and
sold
to
somebody
and
he's
never
been
to
the
site.
C
They
have
no
interest
in
the
site,
but
we
as
a
city
need
to
have
an
ordinance
with
some
teeth
in
it.
That
says,
you
have
to
maintain
that
property.
Now
we
have
homeless
people
sitting
there
and
I
sent
you.
I
sent
you
the
the
emails,
it's
horrendous
and
the
neighbors
are
saying:
why
is
this
allowed?
Why
are
we
allowing
this
and
that's
always
been
my
biggest
issue?
You
know:
we've
got
the
old
car
repair
shop
up
on
sixth
avenue
suen.
I
found
my
emails
from
2018
and
nothing
has
changed
today.
C
C
K
Well,
for
instance,
the
old
post
office,
this
ordinance
actually
is
the
teeth
that
we
need
to
do
something
with
that
building.
It's
it's
sitting
there,
it's
not
a
public
nuisance.
Without
this
ordinance,
we
have
to
wait
until
it
goes
further
down
further
down
becomes
a
public
nuisance,
then
we
can
take
care
of
it.
Well,
all
these
years
have
passed
with
no
improvements,
because
we
don't
have
any
anything
on
the
books
that
helps
us.
K
We
have
no
ordinance
to
address
it,
so
you
can
send
it
to
me,
and
I
can
we
can
go
out
with
you
know,
dealt
with
the
homeless,
there's
some
other
things
that
could
be
done,
some
tree
trimming
and
some
stuff
that
would
help
the
improvement
of
the
property.
There
might
be
windows
that
need
to
be
put
back
in
not
boarded
put
back
in
so
that
it
it
maintains
a
good
presence
to
the
community
and
not
a
detriment,
but
we
can't
do
anything
right
now.
We
have
no
ordinances
to
help
us
none.
So
this
is
the.
K
This
is
what
we
can
use
and
without
it
we
can
we're
going
to
be
stuck
telling
you
the
same
thing
yeah.
We
can
chase
them,
you
can
get
rid
of
the
homeless
guy.
We
can
board
it
back
up.
If
it's.
If
it's
vacant,
we
can't
get
any
shrubs
or
trees.
You
know
volunteer
trees
down.
We
can't
do
anything
to
them
to
make
the
place
look
better
without
an
ordinance.
So.
L
K
E
C
K
K
I'll
I
will
take
pictures
of
the
post
office
and
I'll
tell
you
what
this
code
would
do
for
the
post
office.
Okay,
so
we're
hoping
that
the
improvements
will
increase
homeowners
equity,
I
mean
that's,
why
people
own
houses
they
want
to
build
equity,
we're
hoping
that
it
will
do
a
street
by
street
neighborhood
by
neighborhood.
K
So
that
this
sort
of
gets
to
you
know
how
we're
gonna
have
to
use
this
code
and
use
this
code
in
our
community.
It
has
to
be
a
collaborative
process.
I
don't
know
all
the
answers.
You
know
I
I
can
give
solutions,
but
it's
going
to
be
neighborhoods
that
need
to
tell
us
what
they
want.
I've
rolled
this
out
to
two
different
neighborhood
associations
already
beaverdale
and
the
ml
king
neighborhood.
K
Both
of
them
were
interested
and
excited
in
the
program
I'm
going
to
keep
reaching
out
to
neighborhood
groups
to
tell
them
what
it
is
and
get
their
feedback.
More
importantly,
I
don't
want
to
go
and
tell
them
things.
I
want
them
to
tell
me
what
do
you
need
in
your
neighborhood?
How
will
this
help
your
neighborhood?
K
What
are
your
needs
in
your
neighborhood,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
partner
with
neighborhood
associations,
community
advocacy
groups
homeowners
to
create
a
safety
net
for
the
program?
I
don't
want
to
be
the
community
that
says
you
know
we're.
You
got
to
fix
your
house,
but
we're
not
going
to
help
you
figure
out
how
to
do
it
and
I'm
not
talking
everybody.
K
I'm
talking
about
those
that
are
physically
unable
to
do
the
work
because
they
can't
climb
a
ladder
or
they
just
don't,
have
the
money
to
do
it,
and
we
need
to
help
figure
out
how
to
get
that
that
put
together
how
to
get
the
resource
to
that
person.
And
it's
going
to
be
case
by
case.
It's
not
going
to
be
a
one
size
fits
all.
G
So
I
have
a-
I
have
a
question
on
this
because
I
I
mean
coordinates
is
ordinances
are
not
case
by
case
right.
It's
going
to
be
a
standard,
that's
across
the
board,
but
we
know
that
there
are
going
to
be
these
examples
of
folks
who
are
you
know.
Maybe
they've
lived
in
the
home
for
20
30
years
now,
they're
retired
they're,
on
fixed
income
or
they're
on
fixed
income
and
they're
they've
aged,
and
so
they
don't
have
the
dollars
or
the
ability
to
put
in
their
sweat
equity.
G
E
G
Parents
home
like
how
do
we?
How
do
we
draw
that
balance
so
that
we
have
the
flexibility
for
the
person
who
is
in
need
and
aging
in
place,
but
we're
able
to
we're
able
to
to
use
this
as
an
enforcement
tool
for
someone
who
is
just
willfully
neglecting
a
property
where
they
have
the
resources
to
address
it?.
D
D
But
alongside
that
will
be
the
safety
net.
I
don't
see
the
two
intertwined
within
the
ordinance
you're
going
to
have
a
safety
net
built
alongside
it,
and
so
that
will
be
addressing
the
qualifications
that
somebody
might
need
to
meet
in
order
to
help
get
some
of
that.
Funding
and
there'll
be
all
types,
and
this
is
where
we
don't
want
to
have
all
the
answers,
because
we
need
to
be
talking
with
the
neighborhoods,
but
there
may
be
assistance,
and
there
may
also
be
different
ways
that
it
would
get
paid
back.
D
D
Yeah,
the
ordinance
is
going
to
say
the
property
needs
to
be
brought
up
to
standard
in
these
ways.
You
know
that
we'll
go
out,
look
at
the
property
and
determine
what
needs
to
actually
happen
to
the
property.
That's
the
ordinance
aspect
and
then
there'll
also
be
the
communication
and
collaboration
with
the
neighborhood
and
the
property
owners.
That
says,
and
if
you
need
assistance
in
any
way,
here's
the
program-
and
it
may
be
more
than
one
program-
we've
got
to
figure
that
out
too
commercial
residential
may
have
separate
programs
as
well.
D
G
G
Or
is
that
I
mean
because
saying
that
that's
going
to
be
handled
on
a
case-by-case
basis
in
the
future,
and
I
mean
that's
a
recipe
for
for
really
pushing
pushing
folks
out
and
bill,
and
I
I
mean
I've
got
concern
with
that
piece
of
it
right
like
I,
I
get
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
the
property
maintenance
code,
I'm
concerned
that
you
know
and
it's
the
way
we
enforce
a
lot
of
these
things.
This
is
going
to
get
on
the
books
and
neighbors
going
to
complain
about
their
their
resident
across.
G
You
know
their
neighbor
across
the
street
who's
who's
on
a
fixed
income
and
can't
do
anything.
We
don't
have
the
resources,
but
we
go
and
enforce
the
the
code.
The
other
program
doesn't
exist.
So
what
happens
in
that
situation?
Do
we
just
write
right
up
enforcement,
it
becomes
a
lien
and
then
it
just
is
another
another
piece
that
actually
speeds
up
the
cycle
or
contributes
to
the
cycle.
No.
D
So
the
the
challenge
here
is
going
to
be
the
those
that
are
barely
able
to,
or
maybe
ended
up
with
a
with
a
home
that
they
cannot
afford
to
maintain
themselves,
and
so
it's
still
a
home
ownership
universe
that
we're
working
with,
and
so
it's
it's
not
a
situation
where
we're
helping
people
get
into
homes.
The
situation
is
they're
already
owning
a
home
that
they've
not
been
able
to
maintain.
D
E
G
E
G
G
K
So
what
we
want
to
do
is
once
we
hire
the
we're
going
to
hire
ford
field
field
workers
to
go
out
and
assess
the
neighborhood
and
identify
needs.
So
those
four
people
are
going
to
can't
sort
of
canvas
the
neighborhoods
identify
the
vacant
structures,
so
we
can
map
them
out,
I'm
also
interested
in
a
vacant
property
registration
program.
So
this
will
give
us
an
idea
of
the
scope
of
that
need
and
it
really
gets
to
mortgage
companies
maintaining
their
properties.
H
K
H
K
I
think
that
could
be
and
part
of
the
program.
Honestly,
I
think
that
neighbors
helping
neighbors
is
one
of
the
collaborative
approaches
that
that
we
want
to
build
into
the
program
and
if
we
have
to
have
you
know
legal
waivers
for
boy
scouts
to
go
in
and
have
both
parties
agree
that
there's
no
liability,
I'm
sure
the
legal
department
can
help
us
if
we
want
to
get
into
that.
J
Thanks
a
lot
so
I
mean
obviously,
if
the
city's
involved
in
the
process
there's
going
to
be
exposure,
but
it's
up
to
this
group
to
decide
whether
to
balance
that
exposure
and
we'll
do
our
best
in
helping
with
waivers
etc.
But,
for
example,
in
iowa
a
without
going
through
a
judicially
approved
waiver.
You
can't
somebody,
that's
under
18
can't
wait
and
their
parents
can't
sign
to
to
wave
really.
J
C
C
I
mean
we
had
a
program
where,
if
your
sewer
line
broke,
you
could
go.
I
don't
know
if
it
was
administered
by
the
city
or
the
county,
but
I
know
polk
county
housing.
Trust
fund
used
to
manage
that
program,
and
so
they
would
somebody
would
pay
to
go
ahead
and
get
the
sewer
line
fixed
and
then
a
lien
went
on
the
house
and
if
it
was
sold
within
five
years
it
had
to
be
repaid,
but
is
that
program
I
mean
we
had
an
emergency
program,
but
now
it's
gone.
F
F
So
right
now
coming
out
of
covid,
we
had
two
employees
that
were
really
key
to
making
the
program
work.
Both
of
them
didn't
come
back
after
covet.
So
before
we
staff
up
again
we're
waiting
to
see
what
tools
are
needed
as
a
part
of
this
program
to
see
if
we
need
to
adjust
that
program
to
to
match
the
needs
that
we're
going
to
have
in
the
community.
F
So
the
funding
is
still
there.
It's
funded
with
community
development
block
grant
funds,
there's
polk
county
housing,
trust
funds
we
get
probably
every
other
year.
We
apply
for
some
funding
from
them
and
we
did
tell
them.
We
weren't
going
to
submit
an
application
this
year
until
we
kind
of
get
a
better
grasp
of
what
the
needs
are
going
to
be.
E
K
Looking
for
assistance
that
that's
going
to
be
more
fluid,
it's
not
going
to
be
like
a
code
enforcement
program
where
it's
30
days,
you're
done
and
we
take
you
to
court.
You
know,
that's
that's
not
what
this
program
this
program
is
more
designed
to
say.
Okay,
your
house
needs
to
be
painted.
How
are
we
going
to
get
it
painted?
What
are
the
resources
that
we
can
bring
to
bear?
Is
it
like
and
the
neighbors
can
come
if
we
can
get
you
paint?
Maybe
your
neighborhood,
your
neighborhood
group,
could
come
and
help
you
paint.
K
So
it's
it's
hopefully
going
to
be
more
fluid
and
less
rigid.
I
don't
want
this
pro.
I
don't
look
at
this
program
as
a
rigid,
you
know
code
enforcement
program.
This
is
this
is
supposed
to
be
helping
helping
people
get
the
resources
they
need.
If
they
need
them
to
your
attorney
story,
he
doesn't
need
resources.
He
just
needs
to
be
pressured
to
do
something,
and
maybe
pressuring
him
with
you
know.
K
Communication
will
get
him
in
there
to
do
the
work
or
is
it
your
nephew's
neighbor,
who
maybe
just
needs
a
little
more
and
you
know
a
little
more
push,
but
we
don't
have
anything
to
push
with
right
now.
We
don't
have
the
tools
to
push
these
people
into
to
making
improvements
to
the
exterior
of
their
houses.
E
K
So
here
are
the
types
of
things
that
you
know
we're
all
familiar
with:
we
all
see
them.
You
know
the
the
roof.
This
is
really
bad
shape,
but
roofs
that
are
failing.
You
know,
sidewalks
to
houses
or
driveways
to
houses
that
need
patching
leveling
houses
that
need
paint.
Maybe
some
siding
you
know
put
back
up,
so
we
don't
get
to
this.
K
G
K
K
We
want
to
identify
these
properties
way
sooner
than
this,
when
there's
some
life
left
and
then
going
to
take
the
tax
deed
ourselves
find
an
investor
to
come
in
and
do
the
rehab.
So
that's
another
part
of
this
is
you
know,
do
the
inventory
find
out
where
there's
some
vacant
structures
that
might
have
some
tax
problems
that
we
can
go
in?
Take
the
take
it
and
move
it
to
somebody
who's
going
to
rehab
it
rather
than
let
it
sit
there
and
go
through
further
decline?
I
mean.
G
D
K
B
A
month
it
seemed
like
it
sat
longer
for
two
years,
just
for
the
record.
Oh
it's
that
a
long
time.
It
was
this
house
in
the
bottom
right
and
it
was
luckily
in
the
in
the
summer
there
were
so
many
trees
that
you
really
couldn't
see
it
from
the
street,
so
it
kind
of
covered
it
up.
But
this
house
sat
multiple
complaints
on
this
house
for
years,
and
so
it
was
a.
It
was
a
good
day
when
it
got
torn
down.
K
So,
what's
next
we're
going
to
conduct
listening
sessions
for
feedback
and
suggestions
both
at
the
neighborhood
level
and
public
meetings
to
to
bring
people
in?
So
we
can
hear
hear
what
the
community
wants,
needs
and
thinks
identify.
Community
leaders,
partners
and
advocates
have
discussions
with
them
determine
technical
and
staffing
needs
to
fill
the
program.
We
already
have
posted
and
closed
a
supervisor
position,
two
liaison
positions
and
a
clerical
staff.
K
K
K
One
of
the
things
that
I
know
engineering
has
income
guidelines
for
the
sidewalk
repair
programs,
we're
going
to
look
at
those
and
see
if
those
are
the
income
guidelines
that
would
transfer
easily
to
this
program.
So
we're
not
reinventing
the
wheel
for
this
program
and
then
you
know
sort
of
create
the
property
improvement
initiative,
printing
digital
materials.
So
we
can
get
things
out.
You
know
facebook,
twitter
handouts,
for
you
know
neighborhoods,
so
that
they
can
have.
K
So
we
can
come
back
and
say
here's
what
we
think
the
scope
of
the
problem
is
and
here's
how
we
think
you
know
here
are
the
resources
and
here's
how
much
money
we
think
look
for
grants.
I
mean
there's
other
things
that
we
can
do
in-house
to
try
and
get
some
get
some
capital
and
match
it
up
with
volunteer
hours,
and
you
know,
but
all
that's
going
to
take
staff
people
to
help
build
that
so
we're
going
to
start
hiring
we're
going
to
start
getting
the
program
together.
K
I
K
K
And
I
think
we
we
will
build
that
relationship
where
we
get
that
information
from
the
neighborhood
group.
You
know,
that's
that's
part
of
it.
I
hesitate
to
have
them,
go
out
and
do
the
assessment,
because
we're
gonna
have
to
give
you
the
addresses,
yeah,
we'll
absolutely
work
with
them
on
which
addresses
that's
part
of
it.
E
E
C
Mean
we're
putting
we're
putting
half
a
million
dollars-
it's
probably
going
to
be
next
summer
and
we're
we're
concerned
about
going
and
finding
these
properties
can't.
We
just
start
on
an
ordinance
now
that
we
can
help
these
vacant
buildings
like
the
like
the
old
post
office,
like
some
of
these
other
buildings,
instead
of
waiting,
you
know
for
another
four
years
to
go
by,
I
mean
I
just
think
we
need
something
with
some
teeth
in
it
that
we
can
help
our
community
right.
Now
we
we.
C
B
B
You
know
passing
something
like
this,
because
the
last
thing
I
want
to
do
is
pass
this
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
we
don't
have
any
money
to
fix
anything,
and
we
can't
help
anybody
that
that
to
me
is
probably
the
biggest
concern.
I
think
this
is
a
great
first
step
and,
and
I'd
like
to
see
it,
keep
moving
forward,
but
we
have
to
get
the
data
to
know.
The
dollar
amount
that
we're
going
to
have
to
spend
annually
and
then
we're
going
to
have
to
ask
for
partners
probably
to
do
this.
Absolutely.
B
Community
needs
to
step
up
and
help
with
this
also,
and
I
think
they
would-
and
I
believe
you
know-
with
invest
dsm
in
in
the
the
county
putting
this.
This
is
all
when
you
talk
to
supervisors
and
especially
the
ones
that
represent
des
moines.
They
want
to
help
our
neighborhoods,
and
this
would
help
our
neighborhoods
and,
and
they
have
programs
that
I
think
that
could
go
hand
in
hand
with
these
to
help
us.
I.
L
B
L
But
there's
also
people
that,
just
even
that
block
challenge
grant
people
are
making
repairs,
they
got
they
got
pushed
just
with
giving
them
a
little
edge
to
do
it
and
they're
doing
bigger
projects
than
what
even
the
matches.
So
I
think
it's,
how
do
you
incentivize
people
to
improve
their
neighborhood.
L
B
K
What
you
can
and
you
hit
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head,
you
know
not
to
be
anyway.
The
liaisons
are
the
people
that
are
going
to
look
for
those
partnerships
and
build
those
partnerships
and
bring
people
to
the
table.
So
we
can
make
some
partnerships
with
you
know
all
our
employers,
you
know
principal,
has
volunteer
hours,
they
have
money.
Can
we
give
a
grant,
for
you
know,
get
something
from
principal
to
come
to
the
table?
There's
all
sorts
of
you
know
come
and
go.
K
I
mean,
there's
all
sorts
of
employers,
and
this
is
to
stabilize
the
housing
for
the
workforce
which
is
affordable,
which
is
affordable
and
can
keep
it
employees
in
the
in
the
city.
We
can't
lose
our
affordable
housing
stock
to
demolitions
right.
We
have
to
stabilize
it
so
because
it
stays
an
integral
part
of
the
of
the
fabric
so
that
people
can
afford
to
live
there.
I
mean
that's
the
bottom
line
to
me:
is
you
know,
let's,
let's
save
those
houses,
rather
than
have
them
go
through
demolition
which
doesn't
get
us
anywhere.
K
D
Another
council
aspect
of
this
is,
you
may
recall
this
has
been
a
few
years
ago
with
the
invest,
dsm
analysis.
We
had
czb
talk
to
us
about
the
financial
capacity
of
the
existing
homeowners
and
it
was
a
quite
a
bit
higher
number
than
what
I
think
all
of
us
expected
they
had.
There
is
quite
a
bit
of
capacity
to
pay
for
improvements.
There
was
not
the
desire
to
put
that
money
in
their
own
homes
because
they
saw
the
neighborhood
fluctuating
and
possibly
on
a
downhill
cycle,
and
so
there
is
capacity
out
there.