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From YouTube: 1-25-21 City Council Work Session
Description
Des Moines City Council work session via teleconference on the morning of Monday, January 25, 2021.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilAtHome
B
B
B
B
E
Malcolm
thank
you
scott
good
morning,
mayor
and
members
of
city
council,
malcolm
hankins
assistant
city
manager.
Today's
staff
presentations
provide
scientific
updates
on
two
bridging
the
gap
initiatives.
Manisha
padel.
The
city's
equity
coordinator,
will
provide
updates
on
the
language,
access
policy
and
the
residence
academy
initiative.
E
Suenz,
suan,
donovan's
rental
inspection
code
presentation
will
follow
and,
while
it's
not
directly
a
presentation
regarding
the
bridging
the
gap,
she'll
touch
briefly
on
correlation
between
what
she's,
presenting
and
one
of
the
bridging
the
gap.
Initiatives
which
deals
with
the
fair
housing
training
objective
before
manisha
gets
started
just
like
to
give
you
a
general
update
on
the
overall
status
of
bridging
the
gap
initiatives.
So
if
the
presentation
is
available
at
this
point.
E
E
I
won't
go
through
each
of
these
in
detail.
You.
You
also
received
a
correspondence
from
me
recently
that
provided
the
same
information,
so
I
won't
necessarily
go
through
and
itemize,
but
just
as
an
overview
four
of
these
initiatives,
the
fair
housing
training,
restore
the
youth
advisory
board
and
cultural
competency
training
and
then
the
strengthen
the
human
rights
ordinance.
All
of
those
require
ordinance
amendments.
E
E
Other
initiatives
of
node
are
listed
in
the
update,
so
starting
with
today's
update
from
manisha
you'll
receive
updates
from
staff
on
the
remaining
seven
initiatives,
more
specific
updates
over
the
next
few
months.
So
thank
you
and
unless
you
have
questions
about
this
overview,
I'll
turn
this
over
to
manisha
padel
for
the
two
initial.
F
Thank
you,
malcolm
good
morning,
mayor
city,
council,
members
and
the
members
of
the
public.
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
here
this
morning
to
share
updates
on
the
two
of
the
items.
As
malcolm
mentioned,
regarding
the
bridging
the
gap
initiatives
as
malcolm
shared,
the
overview
of
it,
I
will
share
about
residence
academy
which
we're
proposing
the
name
to
be
engaged
gsm
and
the
language
access
policy.
F
So
what
I'm
going
to
go
through
is
just
the
preliminary
concept
of
what
the
residence
academy
or
engage
dsm
would
look
like
the
program
is
really
a
form
of
a
residence
institute
to
learn
about
city
of
des
moines
government
operations
and
also
opportunities
for
meaningful
public
engagement.
One
of
the
reasons
we
wanted.
F
Program
for
residents,
as
well
as
city
staff
and
our
elected
officials,
as
well
as
volunteer
boards
and
commission
members
and
committee
members
to
be
a
part
of,
is
really
for
residents
to
learn
about
the
services,
programs
and
operations
of
of
their
local
government,
which
is
the
city
of
des
moines,
and
also
learn
about
opportunities
to
engage
meaningfully
and
develop
sustainable
relationships.
And
the
key
word
really
is
that
sustainable
long-term
relationship
with
with
staff,
as
well
as
their
elected
and
volunteer
board
commission
committee
members.
F
In
this
program
they
will
learn
about
different
forms
of
government
and
their
roles,
including
state
government's
role,
county
city,
but
also
the
form
of
government
that
we
operate
in
priorities
and
long-term
plans
for
the
city.
You
know
similar
appliances,
plan
dsm,
live
dsm,
move
dsm
and
others
that
we
have
in
our
community.
F
This
would
also
have
be
an
opportunity
for
resident
to
learn
about
engagement
opportunities,
whether
it's
sports
and
commissions
or
other
opportunities
where
resident
input
is
received
and
seek
from
from
from
the
city's
end
and
then.
The
other
item
is
the
decision-making
process
which
includes
budget
council
actions.
So
this
is
really
about
that
local
government
101.
F
D
F
Also,
what
are
opportunities
at
the
city
of
des
moines
for
their
for
boards
and
commission
memberships?
What
does
the
application
process
look
like,
and
and
even
navigating
our
city's
website
and
other
forms
of
messaging
and
services
that
we
deliver
and
information
shared
with
the
residents?
So
this
is
establishing
that
communications
channel
with
each
department
and
department
staff
would
be
there
either
in
a
video
form
or
in
in
person.
F
So
the
content
of
the
program
would
really
be
the
you
know
there
would
be
the
outlines
of
services
and
and
programs
within
the
city.
Some
may
even
involve
tour
of
facilities
and
assets,
and
this
would
mean
if
we
want
our
residents
or
participants
of
this
program
to
see
a
central
library,
for
example.
F
They
would
learn
about
key
performance
indicators
and
how
that's
tracked
and
how
residents
can
have
access
to
that
information
if
it
is
publicly
available.
Information
about
job
and
volunteer
opportunities
and
volunteer
opportunity
is
very
broad
here.
It
could
be
board
commission
committee
involvement,
and
sometimes
it
may
just
be
that
one-time
opportunity
for
engagement
with
a
certain
department
or
a
project
and
then
also
the
interest.
F
F
F
Services
staff,
communications
staff,
of
course,
and
then
the
equal
opportunity
advisory
committee,
which
is
a
a
part
of
our
city's
staff,
led
effort,
and
so
there
are
some
staff
members
on
on
that
committee
that
are
interested
to
be
a
part
of
this
effort.
So
it
would
be
a
cross
departmental
cross
or
across
the
organization
effort.
F
We
would
seek
input
from
the
des
moines,
civil
and
human
rights
commission,
of
course,
and
then
at
some
point
maybe
you
know
we
would
want
to
incorporate
residents
feedback
both
on
the
program
content
but
but
also
the
impact
of
it,
and
one
is
that
post
pre-post,
evaluation
or
assessment
and
the
other
could
be
just
a
general.
You
know
idea
of
seeking
opportunity
for
residents,
and
this
would
all
include
our
young
residents
as
well,
and
then
we
would
finalize
the
program,
content
and
launch.
F
C
I
do
thank
you,
mayor
manisha.
I
know
that
we've
talked
about
this
type
of
program
for
a
long
time
and
at
one
point
nrb
was
was
the
was
the
the
board
in
the
commission
that
was
kind
of
leading
this.
How
was
how
is
nrb
and
have
they
been
involved
in
this
or
how
are?
How
are
you
blending
them?
How
are
you
getting
their
input?
I
guess
that's
my
question.
F
F
C
And
my
next
question
is:
is
I
know
that
a
lot
of
us
many
of
us
have
talked
about
offering
something
to
the
neighborhood
leaders?
You
know
go
to
the
neighborhood
associations
and
offer
something
to
those
the
board.
Members
of
the
neighborhood
groups.
I
mean
it
seems
many
of
them
are
struggling
in
how
to
engage
their
neighborhoods
they're
struggling
with
how
to
even
lead
a
meeting.
I
mean
many
of
the
neighborhood
leaders.
F
We
would
a
part
of
that
content
would
incorporate
meetings
right
responsibilities
and
what
does
that
structure
look
like
in
different
neighborhoods
and
it
may
look
different
in
different
neighborhoods
so
that
they
are
equipped
with
the
information
to
run
their
meetings,
but
also
of
services
and
programs
that
are
offered
as
a
pathway
to
boards
and
commission,
but
also
prior
to
that
being
effective
in
in
the
work
that
they
do,
because
it
is
a
lot
of
time,
commitment
for
neighborhood
leaders
and
members
of
neighborhood
association.
So
I
I
definitely
see
you
know
absolutely.
F
We
can
cater
the
program
content
based
on
who
we're
serving
so
you
know,
let's
say
if
there's
a
a
group
of
high
school
students
that
want
to
participate
strictly
and
then
we
would
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
providing
content,
that's
pertinent
to
that
group.
So
there
should
be
enough
flexibility
within
the
program
itself
to
ensure
that
we're
providing
that
almost
like
a
board.
F
C
I
would
hope
that
we
would
look
to
engage
some
of
those
leaders.
You
know
george
davis
has
been
around
for
many
years
and
he
gets
you
know.
I'm
told
he
gets
75
100
people
at
his
meetings
and
then
other
neighborhood
leaders
are
struggling
to
get.
You
know
they
have
the
same.
Nine
people
show
up
every
month,
so
I
I
would
hope
that
we
would
use
the
expertise
of
of
folks,
like
george,
that
have
been
doing
this
for
a
long
time
and
know
how
it's
done.
F
Thank
you,
okay.
So
the
next
item
is
the
language
access
policy
and
again
I'm
sharing
this
screen
from
the
joint
meeting
from
june
11
2020,
and
so
this,
the
city
of
des
moines
language
access
policy,
is
really
it's
a
policy
to
create
and
ensure
language
access
to
pertinent
documents
and
for
information
for
our
residents.
And
the
key
word
here
again
is
that
pertinent
documents?
We
want
to
make
sure
that
these
are
important
documents.
That
departments
would
ensure
that
they're
able
to
identify
what
those
are
and
what
that
information
is.
F
So
we
want
to
ensure
that
this
policy
proactively
creates
that
opportunity.
So
a
barrier
does
not
even
exist
at
the
beginning,
so
doing
a
quick
search
on
that
set
on
the
census
data.
Nearly
14
of
our
residents
are
born
outside
of
the
united
states,
which
is
not
to
assume
that
none
of
them
speak
english
as
their
primary
language.
But
that
does
give
us
an
idea
in
terms
of
the
number
of
residents
that
we
have,
who
may
not
speak
english
as
their
primary
language
at
home
and
myself.
F
F
So
very
quick
data
on
the
languages
spoken.
It's
it's
been
a
challenge
to
collect
specific
data
on
on
individuals,
our
residents
that
speak
languages
other
than
english.
So
the
two
areas
where
we
were
able
to
rely
on
were
the
des
moines
public
school
data,
as
well
as
the
cdbg
jurisdiction
information
from
american
community
survey
that
lisa
krabs
was
able
to
provide
to
me.
So
that
was
very
helpful.
F
As
as
you
can
see,
on
the
the
first
column,
which
is
for
the
des
moines,
cdbg
jurisdiction,
spanish
and
vietnamese
are
the
two
languages
that
are
sort
of
identified
that
are
over
one
percent
and
then
number
two
and
number
three
just
says
other
asian
pacific
languages,
language
or
other
and
unspecified
language.
So
that
makes
it
difficult
to
identify
what
specific
language
that
is.
I
miss
to
mention
that
the
bridging
the
gap
recommendation
was
to
proactively
provide
language,
translation
and
interpretation
in
languages
that
are
spoken
by
over
one
percent
of
the
population.
F
So
in
this
case
it
would
be
vietnamese
in
spanish
and
we
would
need
to
identify
what
those
two
other
languages
are
that
are
not
specified
or
listed
and
then
going
down
the
list.
So
these
are
the
top
ten
and
on
the
right
column.
These
are
from.
The
list
is
from
des
moines
public
schools,
spanish,
karen
swahili-
and
it
just
goes
down
the
list
and
then
number
11
has
877.
F
Students
speak
languages
other
than
the
top
10
that
are
listed
here,
which
means
that
there
is
that
language
diversity
and
offering
our
these
are
students
right.
So
if
their
families
are
are
likely
speaking
that
language
as
well,
which
means
that
there
is
that
need
for
interpretation
and
translation
services
and
sometimes
students
that
may
be
enrolled
in
not
enrolled
in
the
lep
program,
which
is
a
limited
english
proficiency
may
be
fluent
in
english,
but
their
parents
or
their
grandparents
or
their
other
family
members
may
not
be
so.
F
F
C
C
Know
that
on
our
city
website,
you
can
pick
what
language
you
want
to
see
things
in
I'm
looking
at
this
presentation
right
now
and
at
the
bottom
of
my
screen
screen,
everything
is
coming
in
in
english.
If
somebody
wanted
to
was
watching
this
presentation
right
now,
would
they
be
able
to
have
it
converted
over
to
their
language?
C
F
So
the
best
practice
research
in
terms
of
what
other
communities
are
doing
there
are
some
that
are,
you
know,
bigger
cities,
but
their
programs
seem
to
be
very
effective.
So
you
know
at
the
state
level,
state
of
new
york
has
translation
or
interpret
interpretation
services
between
people
in
their
priority
language,
and
then
they
do
translate
vital
documents
and
they
have
different
state
agencies
identify
what
those
vital
documents
are
long
beach.
F
Their
philadelphia
has
a
plan
that
includes
translation,
interpretation
and
also
training
and
hiring
multilingual
staff,
and
that
training
is
for
the
staff
and
there's
a
significant
amount
of
effort
put
into
ensuring
that
they're.
Considering
staff
members
or
applicants
for
jobs
that
speak
multiple
languages.
F
I
should
say,
reformed
it
existed
in
the
past
and
it
will
have
new
members
in
the
next
couple
months
through
the
des
moines
civil
and
human
rights
commission,
and
there
are
two
commissioners
that
are
very
interested
in
this
effort
and
would
want
to
take
later
leadership
as
well.
The
city
of
des
moines
equal
opportunity,
advisory
committee.
Again
there
are
members
that
want
to
be
a
part
of
this
effort,
I'm
just
seeing
that
there
will
be
again
yet.
H
F
You
know
this.
This
would
mean
that
we
we
would
want
to
partner
with
polk
county
as
well,
invest,
dsm
and
update
the
documents,
as
the
language
needs
change
throughout
the
coming
years,
as
we
know
that
with
new
arrivals
of
our
immigrant
refugee
community
members,
language
needs
also
shift
and
change.
B
E
I
I
I
I
We
were
making
progress
and
then
coveted
19
hit
that
sort
of
stalled.
The
momentum
we
are
continuing,
conducting
inspections
using
virtual
methods
and
are
preparing
to
go
back
into
in-person
inspections,
but
we
feel
like
it's
going
to
take
us
a
couple
years
to
get
caught
back
up
again,
because
there
was
some
delay
in
some
of
those
inspections.
I
C
I
I
Historically,
we
allowed
residents
to
exit
a
building
from
one
unit
through
another,
as
you
can
imagine.
These
were
in
larger
homes
that
were
divided
up
into
number
of
units
that
doesn't
provide
a
safe
exit
system.
In
some
cases,
we
found
that
the
resident
in
the
unit
that
was
being
entered
through
would
put
wooden
panels
over
the
knockout
panels
or
put
heavy
pieces
of
furniture
in
front
of
the
door
for
their
own
feeling
of
safety,
so
the
knockout
panel
couldn't
be
used
just
to
some
for
somebody
to
enter
their
apartment.
I
The
knockout
panels
are
not
supported
by
building
or
fire
code
and
we
feel
like
they
need
to
be
eliminated,
so
the
owners
would
need
to
bring
in
a
floor
plan
to
show
how
exiting
will
be
code
compliant.
There
will
be
probably
some
permits
that
will
be
needed
for
structural
changes.
The
change
could
result
in
a
reduction
in
the
number
of
units
in
the
house
in
order
to
combine
units
for
safe
exiting.
I
We
feel
like
the
upgraded
grades.
Should
be
phased
in
over
time
as
certificates
expire,
to
give
them
two
or
three
years
to
get
ready
for
the
change?
Another
source
of
problems
is
heating
sources.
It's
not
legal
under
the
mechanical
code
to
have
one
heat
source
for
more
than
one
occupied
unit.
So
again
you
find
older
homes
that
have
been
parceled
off
into
different
units
having
a
single
source
of
heat
which
creates
shared
air
and
is
a
health
issue.
I
I
We
kind
of
fear
this
loophole
is
not
preserving
the
exterior
of
our
housing
stock
and
it's
in
a
lot
it's
sort
of
in
line
with
our
in
property
improvement
efforts.
This
amendment
would
require
all
non-owner
occupied
structures
to
be
inspected
for
a
rental
certificate
and
these
programs.
We
have
a
list
of
ones
that
have
signed
up
for
the
nuclear
family
exemption
and
we
feel
like
we
can
start
pulling
in
these
structures
into
the
program
upon
passage
of
the
ordinance.
I
So
we
are
instituting
a
training
requirement
and
part
of
this
was
the
bridging
the
gap
initiative,
but
we
feel
like
we
can
also
expand
it
and
have
it
benefit
our
program.
So
we
would
ask,
as
part
of
our
rental
code,
for
a
license
holder
to
complete
the
training
requirement
for
all
owners
and
managers
of
properties.
I
I
A
sort
of
change
that
we've
we've
run
into
also
is
that
the
city
of
des
moines
is
getting
a
new
database
to
replace
our
antiquated
tidemark
system.
It's
called
intergov
under
the
intergov
programming.
We
we
need
to
change
our
business
model
from
issuing
certificates
to
a
licensed
program,
so
each
property
owner-
yes,.
J
It
so
this
goes
back.
I
guess
to
the
the
three
the
three
items
I
was
curious.
Do
we
know
you
said
for
the
the
nuclear
family
exception
when
we
know
how
many
there
there
would
be
impacted?
Do
we
have
a
sense
on
the
knockout
panels
and
the
heat
source
question,
how
many
units
or
rental
certificates
that
that
would
impact.
J
I
J
I
I
think
the
policy
choice
on
the
knockout
panels
go
probably
goes
back
to
the
even
the
60s
when
we
started
running
into
a
lot
of
the
and
it
could
have
been
50s-
I
don't
know
for
sure,
but
when
people
were
starting
to
take
big
older
houses
and
make
them
into
numbers
of
units,
one
of
the
things
that
the
owners
came
up
with
was,
and
I'm
sure
the
city
acknowledged
it
was.
The
knockout
panel
was
a
way
to
exit.
I
I
I
I
We
had
a
an
appeal
of
the
requirement
to
separate
the
heating
sources,
go
to
the
fire
and
building
appeals
board
and
the
board
did
not
allow
that
person
to
retain
the
one
unit
but
but
said
by
code.
You
have
to
put
in
the
four
units,
and
then
we
sort
of
got
a
communication
from
that
board-
that
we
really
should
be
starting
to
get
rid
of
those,
because
it
is
a
health
and
safety
issue
through
the
shared
exchange
of
air
and
in
light
of
covid.
A
Yes,
thank
you
mayor
swan.
I
know
that
all
of
our
landlords
are
completely
above
board
and
fantastic
to
deal
with,
but
I
know
there's
some
bad
apples
out
there
do
it,
and
I
can
remember
back
when
I
first
got
married.
If
I
would
have
gone
into
a
rental
place,
I
have
no
idea
what
is
permissible
and,
what's
not
so,
if
I
went
in
in
today's
environment
and
the
place
I'm
running
has
a
knockout
panel.
A
A
Yes,
I'd
hope
there'd
be
something
a
little
bit
more
vigorous.
That
would
go
right
after
it.
I
hate
this
phase-in
stuff.
All
we
need
is
just
one
person
to
suffer
burns
or
worse
yet
die
because
a
knockout
panel
was
not
in
an
appropriate
area.
So
if
we
can
accelerate
that
in
any
way
that
that
would
appeal
to
me.
G
Okay,
just
following
up
on
when
you
said
it
you're
gonna
phase
it
in,
I
think
you
said,
because
of
covert
we're
way
behind.
How
do
we
get
ahead?
Is
there
I?
I
know
your
inspectors
are
probably
swamped,
but
is
there
outsourcing
can
be
done
to
help
us
get
caught
up
so
that
we
don't
get?
How
long
far
behind
did,
you
think
say
we
were.
G
That
would
be.
My
concern
is
that
I
know
we
want
to
make
some
changes,
but
even
just
keeping
up
with
the
day-to-day-
and
I
know
you
guys
are
probably
swamped.
So
it's
not
it's
just.
What
do
we
need
to
help
get
us
caught
up
so
going
forward?
We
can
make
sure
we
provide
the
safety
net
that
we
need
for
rental
inspection.
J
J
But
if
we're
in
a
situation
where
a
landlord
or
a
property
owner
is
needing
to
make
changes
to
their
heating
source
to
comply
with
code,
is
that
an
opportunity
where
we
could
encourage
electric
heat,
for
example,
and
that
that
might
ultimately
end
up
being
the
most
cost
effective
solution
anyway?
So
we
might
not
even
have
to
encourage
too
much
on
that,
but
is?
I
B
I
L
I
I
I
But
the
the
computer
program
does
give
us
some
efficiencies
that
I
think
are
worth
it.
They
will.
The
landlord
will
be
able
to
have
an
account
online
where
they
can
go
in
pay
their
fees
and
get
ready
for
their
reinspection
of
their
license
through
an
online
system.
So
I
think
that
will
help
with
efficiency.
So
you
will
see
we
will
see
the
certificate
expiring,
a
licensed
program
in
an
ordinance
change
so
that
we
can
coincide
with
the
inner
gov
roll
out.
I
I
As
a
result,
we
did
some
refunds
or
fees
collected
that
were
deemed
to
be
excessive,
so
we
really
haven't
done
any
upgra
updates
in
our
fee
schedule.
We
did
one
in
07.
that
was
about
three
percent
across
the
board
of
all
the
fees,
but
it
it
it's
important
to
note
that
the
fees
don't
come
close
to
covering
the
cost
of
our
inspection
program.
J
I
I
think
when
I,
when
I
did
a
review
of
what
I
thought
the
fees
should
be
about
five
or
six
years
ago.
I
think
we
were
looking
at
upwards
of
a
20
across
the
board
to
match
cost
of
living,
but
I
don't
have
a
sense
now,
six
years
later,
what
it
would
be.
I
I
think
you're
going
to
run
into
pushback
from
the
landlord
association,
because
the
if
we
wanted
to
cover
100
percent
of
what
inspection
costs
there
will
be
a
substantial
jump
in
those
fees.
I
I
J
I
J
A
A
I
know
when
this
comes
up,
I'm
going
to
make
sure
that
we
get
100
of
the
fees
that
we
incur
charged
to
these
people.
I
I
can't
see
any
reason
that
we
need
to
help
these
people
out.
It's
a
business.
It
just
absolutely
drives
me
crazy
that
we're
subsidizing
it
with
taxpayer
money.
So
I'm
I'm
all
in
favor
of
charging
the
full
amount
on
day.
One!
That's
my
approach
to
that.
A
I
That's
a
very
good
question
and
actually
scott
and
I
discussed
that
when
we
met
to
go
over
this
presentation-
and
that
is
something
that
I'm
going
to
work
out
and
I
and
I
think
that
will
be
interesting
to
come
back
to
you
when
we
discuss
the
whole
fee
structure
later.
So
we
kind
of
know
what
our
fee
study
shows
and
what
the
other
communities
are
charging.
A
B
G
I
G
G
G
A
L
Do
you
really
need
to
hire
a
consultant
to
do
a
stare
and
compare
of
what
other
cities
are
charging?
I
mean,
I
guess
so,
if
that
that
gives
you
the
confidence,
but
I
mean
I
think
four
people
could
get
around
a
table
and
say
well.
This
is
what
they're
charging
here
and
you
know
here
are
costs
and
let's
go
for
it.
Unless
we
have
extra
consultant
money
to
throw
away
you
know,
maybe
we
can
do
this
ourselves.
L
K
Yeah
mayor
the
councilman
boss
kind
of
beat
me
to
the
punch,
you
know
we,
we
know
our,
we
know
our
cost
and
you
know
my
point
was
asking
about
the
five
percent.
Was
it
you
know?
Are
we
going
to
do
it
all?
I?
I
think
we
should
do
it
all
at
once,
but
I
agree
with
connie
that
we
shouldn't
wait
but
to
go,
hire
a
consultant.
Suanne
you've
been
doing
this
long
enough.
You
and
your
staff
know
the
cost,
know
what
it
takes.
K
We
can
get
some
data
from
around
central
iowa
and
other
major
cities
in
iowa,
and
I
think
we
can
probably
come
up
with
a
cost
and
just
do
it
all
on
time.
That
would
be
what
I'd
like
to
see.
Instead
of
doing
five
percent
and
then
waiting,
you
know
six
eight,
you
know
12
months
and
raising
it
again.
Let's,
let's
let
them
know
what
their
upfront
cost
is
going
to
be.
So
they
can.
I
mean
obviously
they're
going
to
work
it
into
their
rent
schedule
as
it
as
it
goes.
K
I
I
I
think
that
we
can
certainly
do
that
in-house
and
I
don't
have
any
problem
tackling
that
with
with
finance,
and
I
think
that
what
we
learned
from
the
last
go-around
was,
we
are
going
to
need
to
have
pretty
solid
proof
of
how
we
came
up
with
those
costs
so
that
we
can
defend
it
in
court.
Should
someone
decide
to
challenge
the
fees
as
being
over
and
above
what
the
city
can
charge?
We
can't
charge
to
make
money
and
make
any
profit
on
the
program,
but
we
can
certainly
charge
the
cost
of
conducting
the
program.
I
I
The
landlord
association
felt
that
some
of
the
fees
were
exorbitant
filed
a
suit,
and
then
we
had
to
hire
a
consultant,
so
just
and
and
legal
may
wish
to
weigh
in
also,
but
my
idea
was
to
be
sort
of
proactive
on
the
defense
rather
than
react,
but
I
also
believe
that
if
we,
if
we
use
good
data-
and
we
use
good,
a
good
matrix
for
coming
up
with
the
fees
that
we
we
should
be
able
to
defend
them.
But
again
that's
hypo.
You
know
anybody
can
file
a
suit.
So.
I
J
I
I
B
H
B
Okay,
all
right,
and
unless
anybody
has
anything
else,
three
o'clock
we'll
have
closed
session
and
then
we'll
move
on
from
there.
So
thank
you
all
for
attending
and
to
our
citizens
that
listened
in.
Hopefully,
this
was
insightful
until
this
afternoon
and
this
evening's
city
council
meeting
we'll
bid
everyone
to
do,
and
this
meeting
is
adjourned.