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From YouTube: 11-30-21 City Council special meeting
Description
Des Moines City Council special meeting on Tuesday, Nov. 30, 2021.
Agenda will be available at https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
A
Good
evening
everybody
I
just
wanted
to,
let
you
know
I'm
going
to
take
off
my
mask
just
to
speak
and
then
I'll
put
it
back
on.
I
was
told
by
a
couple
people
that
were
listening
last
time,
that
my
voice
was
a
little
bit
muffled
with
the
with
the
mask
on,
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
do
my
best
to
articulate
clearly
what
what
it
is
that
we're
doing
here
tonight.
A
This
is
a
special
city
council
meeting
this
evening
for
november
30th,
again
I'll
quickly
go
through
the
rules
by
the
way,
due
to
the
increased
community
transmission
of
covet
19
in
polk
county,
which
we're
seeing
not
only
here
but
across
the
state
and
let's
keep
our
fingers
crossed
with
a
new
variant
that
we
can
keep
that
tapped
down.
A
The
public
is
hereby
notified
that
the
city
council
will
not
tolerate
disruption
of
our
business
meetings.
People
wishing
to
attend
this
meeting
are
reminded
of
the
following.
We
welcome
germain
comments
from
the
public
at
the
appropriate
time,
but
this
is
a
council
business
meeting
and
this
one
is
very
specific
this
evening.
A
So
the
council
needs
to
conduct
that
business
and
the
council
has
rules
that
are
validly
adopted
under
iowa
law
and
those
rules
will
be
followed.
Anyone
engaging
in
disruptive
conduct
in
the
council,
chambers
or
the
great
hall
will
result
in
being
ruled,
disruptive
and
being
ordered
to
leave
the
building
and
being
denied
re-admit
re-admittance.
A
Only
when
recognized
and
the
council
reserves
the
right
to
limit
the
speaker's
time
and
the
order
in
which
the
speakers
may
address
the
council
under
section
2-70,
the
city
code
is
illegal
to
interrupt
any
person
who
is
addressing
the
council
except
by
a
council
member
and
is
illegal
to
disrupt
the
council
meeting.
Everyone
in
attendance
has
first
amendment
rights
and
any
disruptive
conduct
by
one
person
or
group
impinges
on
the
rights
of
others
present.
So
disruptive
con
conduct
will
not
be
tolerated.
A
Prior
to
the
start,
I
want
everybody
here
to
we've
all
seen
some
things
that
have
come
out
about
the
the
maps
and
the
awards.
Of
course,
the
districts
for
congressional
representatives
have
been
set.
A
There
has
been
through
the
the
census,
a
new
count.
We
have
taken
that
into
account,
as
we
looked
at
it
at
our
city.
We
there
was
a
receipt
of
a
map
that
came
out
earlier
from
the
county,
but
it
was
only
a
suggestion
that
map
we
are
not
discussing
this
evening.
A
The
maps
that
are
up
over
here
are
the
three
that
we
are
considering,
and
then
we
will
submit
our
recommendation
back
to
the
county
and
I
will
turn
it
over
in
a
minute
to
our
manager
and
everybody,
so
anybody
that
was
concerned
about
what
they
saw
earlier.
That's
not
what
we're
discussing
here
this
evening.
A
That
was
just
a
concept
that
showed
that,
with
the
new
accounts
that
it
is
possible
to
lay
out-
and
we
believe
that
these
maps
represent
a
much
greater
representation
than
what
we
had
seen
before
mr
manager,
I
think
we're
going
to
take
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
have
roll
call,
and
then
I'm
going
to
turn
over
you
to
give
us
a
couple
of
comments.
A
So
meetings
called
to
order
clerk.
Will
you
please
take
roll.
A
All
right,
we
need
an
approval
to
approve
the
agenda
as
presented
and
or
as
amended
I'll.
A
All
right,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
aye,
any
opposition
hearing
none
the
agenda
is
approved,
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
the
city
manager
now
and
then
we're
gonna
open
it
up.
We
have
gotten,
I
believe,
three
individuals
that
have
asked
to
speak
about
this,
and
but
I
would
like
to
have
our
legal
and
our
city
manager
go
over
exactly
what
our
amendments
to
our
city,
precinct
and
ward
boundaries
are
and
the
possibility
of
scheduling
our
official
public
hearing
mr
manager.
D
In
addition
to
that,
they
provided
additional
information
that
the
mayor
spoke
of
of
a
potential
ward
map.
That
again,
is
not
being
considered
tonight.
That
is,
in
the
purview
of
the
council,
to
submit
a
ward
map
that
either
adheres
completely
with
the
precincts
that
underline
and
understand,
precincts.
D
Think
of
them
as
somewhat
of
a
neighborhood
shape,
and
there
are
80
or
so
of
those
depending
on
which
proposal
we're
looking
at
and
so
what
we
did
at
first
through
staff
level
with
our
I.t
department,
which,
by
the
way
council,
did
a
fabulous
job
with
our
what's
called
gis
division
within
it.
D
In
taking
the
description
of
those
precincts
from
the
county,
putting
those
into
our
software.
That
was
then
available
to
draw
potential
ward
maps
and
that's
how
that
has
allowed
us
to
to
quickly
and
nimbly
actually
improve
on
the
maps
with
each
phase.
As
you
see
maps
one
two
and
three,
the
first
map
and
the
first
option,
that's
available
to
the
council,
strictly
keeps
the
boundaries
of
the
precincts
that
were
originally
provided
to
us
from
the
county
in
place.
D
D
We
better
understood
what
their
goals
were,
which
was
to
keep
the
number
of
precincts
as
low
as
possible
and
to
make
sure
that
any
precinct
boundaries
allowed
for
one
ballot
to
exist
within
each
precinct.
In
other
words,
each
precinct
would
have
the
same
representative
from
each
level
of
government
so
that
you
didn't
have
to
handle
two
different
ballots
within
the
same
voting
place
of
of
us
within
a
precinct
knowing
those
goals
and
knowing
that
the
deviation
between
the
total
population
of
any
ward
structure
needed
to
be.
D
As
tight
as
possible
and
as
close
as
possible
with
an
average
with
four
awards,
we
needed
to
to
aim
for
about
53
000
in
population
of
each
ward,
and
so
what
we've
put
on
these
maps
are
showing
you
the
deviation
from
what
that
that
average
would
have
been,
and
in
some
instances
the
number
might
be
slightly
higher
and
others
it
might
be
slightly
lower.
So
that's
what
you're,
seeing
as
the
line
that's
called
deviations.
D
D
If
there's
questions,
and
so
those
were
kind
of
the
guidelines
that
once
our
our
gis
staff
understood
those
overlying
goals,
we
were
able
to
submit
two
additional
maps
that
looked
at
maybe
some
more
intuitive
lines
and
boundaries
you'll
see
within
the
final
map
on
the
southern
port
of
our
portion
of
our
city
between
wards
three
and
four
you
you
would
now
have
if
you
chose
plan
three,
a
very
intuitive
boundary
on
on
the
south
side
with
southwest
ninth.
D
So
those
are
the
types
of
goals
that
that
were
put
in
front
of
us
and
given
you
some
options
now
as
far
as
the
steps
that
need
to
be
taken
from
here,
this
is
a
the
opportunity
to
get
some
public
input
and
also
then
submit
the
preference
of
the
account
of
the
city
back
to
the
county
auditor,
for
any
potential
comments
that
the
county
auditor's
office
might
have
and
they've
got.
I
believe,
a
week,
six
or
seven
days
less
than.
D
Okay
or
no
more
than
10,
to
get
back
with
us,
so
there
will
be
the
need
to
bring
back
the
final
decision
if
you
will,
with
a
public
hearing
in
advance
of
that
to
another
council
meeting.
So
we
have
the
december
20th
regular
council
meeting
available
to
us
and
the
potential,
if
need
be,
a
special
counsel
meeting
we
have
until
the
essentially
the
end.
I
don't
know
if
you
know
the
exact
date
jeff.
E
I
believe
it's
december
see
that
either
the
end
of
december.
D
E
Not
really
scott
did
a
nice
job,
laying
it
out
what
I,
what
I
would
offer
is
that
the
the
statute
specifically
provides
that
it's
the
council
that
makes
the
actual
determinations
of
precincts
that's
generally,
based
on
data
coming
from
the
county,
and
the
council
decides
the
awards,
there's
no
statutory
provision
for
the
county.
To
do
that.
E
I
think
that
the
map
was
offered
as
a
courtesy
as
of
a
way
that
it
could
work
as
scott
indicated,
to
achieve
what
it
was
that
the
county
had
as
an
objective,
but
it
is
the
city
council
that
makes
that
determination.
There's
two
places
in
state
code
that
govern
the
standards
that
council
has
to
follow.
E
The
wards
have
to
follow
precinct.
Boundaries
must
be
composed
of
contiguous
territory,
must
be
composed
of
compact
territory
as
compact
as
practicable,
and
have
to
follow
as
closely
as
as
practical
the
ideal
ward
population.
So
those
are
the
criteria
that
were
reviewed
in
giving
council
different
options
to
look
at
this
evening
in
the
public.
To
comment
on
the
other
item
that
I
would
mention
is
this
is
not
the
public
hearing
on
the
adoption.
E
This
is
a
different
way
for
council
to
receive
comments
from
the
public,
but
the
actual
public
hearing
will
come
on
the
20th
and
that's
before
there
is
an
ordinance
and
the
the
statute
requires
that
the
precincts
and
awards
be
set
by
ordinance
and
so
that
that's
what
council
would
actually
be
voting
on
after
the
public
hearing
on
the
20th
and
the
hearing,
the
public
hearing
will
be
on
the
proposed
ordinances,
but
this
is
an
opportunity
for
the
public
to
provide
comments
to
the
council
and
because
council
has
to
provide
this.
E
Whatever
decision
council
comes
up
with,
that
has
to
be
provided
to
the
county
auditor
for
review
and
comment
for
not
less
than
seven
or
more
than
ten
days.
A
A
G
F
F
I
have
a
few
issues
with
how
this
entire
meeting
has
been
structured.
One
of
these
is
that,
according
to
kay
legal,
wasn't
able
to
get
the
agenda
for
this
meeting
circulated
until
yesterday.
So
if
someone
needs
mobility
accommodations,
they
have
to
request
them
three
days
in
advance.
F
Also,
you
spent
the
beginning
of
this
meeting
talking
about
community
spread
of
kovid.
Why
is
there
no
virtual
option?
I
spent
the
last
week
sick
with
a
viral
infection.
Fortunately,
my
husband
and
I
didn't
have
kovid,
but
we
had
three
different
covet
scares
in
the
last
two
weeks
and
I'm
assuming
the
same
is
probably
true
for
everyone
in
this
room.
So
why
aren't
you
at
least
fighting
for
a
virtual
option?
A
F
F
F
You
changed
the
purpose
and
tone
of
this
meeting
from
a
public
hearing
to
a
performative
acting
active
listening
engagement,
you
purposely
rescheduled
the
hearing
really
close
to
the
deadline,
so
that
there's
not
really
a
lot
of
time
to
debate
this
in
good
faith.
A
H
I
want
to
echo
some
comments
about
I.
This
is
not
very
accessible
for
me
because
it's
really
difficult
to
try
and
get
here
and
get
child
care
to
get
here,
and
so,
if
we
don't
know
ahead
of
time
whether
or
not
you're
considering
the
county
map,
that's
pretty
frustrating
because
I
didn't
know
that-
and
I
this
is
my
first
time
ever
coming
to
a
council
meeting
and
it's
like
this
information
is
really
difficult
to
get.
So
you
know
I
I'm
in
word
one
I
like
the
shape
of
word
one.
I
Hi,
my
name
is
carol
maher.
I
live
in
ward
3,
zip
code
50312,
in
quote
the
november
24th
news
release
sent
by
the
city
manager's
office,
quote
at
the
number
november
30th
meeting
council
members
were
considered
proposed
precincts
and
ward
boundaries
and
a
map
from
the
polk
county
auditor,
as
well
as
boundaries
in
a
corresponding
map
developed
by
city
staff.
End
quote,
so
I
can
hear
expecting
discussion,
deliberation
wild
party
about
the
polk
county
auditor's
map
because
it
said
in
your
news
release.
I
Although
this
gentleman
says
it
was
because
the
newspapers
said
it,
it
was
didn't
make
it
true.
You
guys
issued
the
news
release,
saying
you
were
going
to
discuss
it.
So
it's
a
little
disappointing
sounds
a
little
backroom
dealing
to
me.
I
moved
from
chicago,
I
know
back
from
dealing,
so
it's
a
little
disappointing
frankly
and
as
someone
who's
served
as
an
election
judge,
a
poll
worker,
it
really
is
kind
of
difficult
to
make
sure
if
you
have
several
ballot
styles
in
your
precinct,
errors
are
made.
I
So
it's
not
an
unreal
or
request
by
the
auditor
to
have
precincts
be
whole
when
it
comes
to
ballot
styles.
So
disappointment
and
thank
you
to
the
otter
auditor
for
requesting
that.
Thank
you.
J
Okay,
why
do
we
have
any
idea
why
we
want
less
precincts?
You
said
the
auditor
wanted
less
precincts,
like
the
smallest
number,
if
possible,.
D
J
Okay,
is
there
any
map
that,
on
any
of
these
three
maps,
where
there
are
precincts
that
have
two
school
board
representatives
where
that
issue
exists,
like
is
there
any
of
these
precincts
that
has
overlap
with
school
board.
D
J
J
Cool
are
you,
gonna
have
multiple
maps
at
the
hearing
or
just
the
map
that
you
proposed
to
the
county.
E
The
the
secretary
of
state
has
guidance
that
they
send
out
to
all
the
cities
and
on.
E
Page
seven
of
their
guidance,
the
secretary
of
state,
says
wards
must
be
as
compact
as
possible.
That's
not
exactly
accurate.
They
have
to
be
as
compact
as
practicable,
but
detailed
standards
for
compactness
are
found
in
iowa
code,
section
42.4,
sub
4,
and
that
has
an
entire
statutory
listing
of
compactness.
E
E
Well,
I
mean
the
idea:
the
idea
would
be
that
the
shape
should
be
squares,
rectangles
or
hexagonal
for
the
most
part
and
not
have
strangely.
E
E
I
think
these
would
be
every
bit
as
compact
and
less
irregular
and,
if
and
in
fact,
I
think,
they're
less
irregular
than
the
state
maps
that
the
state
legislature
approved.
E
I
mean
you're
never
going
to
have
because
of
the
precincts
because
of
natural
boundaries
like
the
river.
The
statute
also
talks
about
political
boundaries.
So,
for
example,
where
you
have
incorporated
versus
unincorporated
areas,
you'll
you're
going
to
have
things
that
won't
make
a
perfect
triangle,
a
perfect
square,
a
perfect
hexagon,
but
the
idea
is
to
get
it
close
to
that
shape.
J
The
internal
boundaries
essentially
are
what
we
can
deal
with.
So
I
would
like
to
my
recommendation
as
map
one
or
two.
I
do
believe
those
are
the
most
compact
of
the
maps
that
are
up
there.
I
also
believe
that
they
take
into
account.
You
know
the
areas
that
we
associate
with
des
moines
like
when
you
are
describing
areas
in
des
moines.
I
think
those
two
represent
those
best
and
I
believe
I
think
number
two
had
the
best
the
deviations
yeah.
J
So
I
think
that
one
I
prefer
number
two
over
number
one,
but
I
also
think
that
just
like
what
is
given
and
taken
from
ward,
three
and
four
makes
the
most
sense
in
number
two,
and
I
would
encourage
everybody
at
this
meeting
since
we
have
public
input
to
take
a
look
at
the
maps
and
decide
which
one
you
like
best
and
to
make
your
recommendation
because
that's
what
the
public
input
is
for.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you.
L
Hello,
adam
callanan,
he
him
pronouns
word
three.
I
just
had
a
few
things
to
say,
because
obviously
there
was
a
change
before
this.
So
a
lot
of
my
comments
no
longer
make
sense.
L
I
think
that
I
don't
know
what
the
city's
role
in
this
is,
but
we
have
a
population
of
over
200
000
people,
but
just
four
wards
and
seven
members
of
council,
including
the
mayor,
and
I
think
that
it
would
be
a
great
thing
to
start
looking
at
getting
more
representatives,
because
that's
a
very
small
number
of
representatives
for
a
large
number
of
people.
I
know
cities
and
other
places
that
have
more
representation
for
less
people.
I
just
think
that
solves
a
lot
of
problems
whenever
you
have
more
representation.
That
way.
L
I
also
just
want
to
point
out
with
the
setting
the
day
of
the
hearing
december
20th
is
right
before
christmas,
but
it's
also
exactly
14
days
before
the
state's
deadline
on
january
3rd,
which
maybe
that'll
work
out
it
just.
It
seems
like
it's
going
to
be
a
pressure
on
city
staff
or
whoever
actually
draws
up
these
maps
if
we
make
any
changes
off
of
that.
L
So
I
think,
probably
a
special
meeting
before
then
would
be
more
appropriate,
but,
like
I
said,
if
the
city
is
confident,
they
can
do
that
and
that's
different,
but
obviously
don't
understand
all
that
as
a
just
a
resident
and
also
I'm
kind
of
curious
that
I
don't
know
if
the
city
has
an
answer
to
this,
but
why
the
public
wasn't
notified
of
the
change
in
the
maps,
because
there
was
a
press
release
with
a
different
map
proposed
and
saying
the
county
would
be
proposed,
but
then
just
walking
in
the
room.
L
It
was
different,
which
is
just
it
seems,
really
weird
in
a
situation.
That's
already
weird
and
confusing,
considering
that
the
county
is
supposed
to
propose
amendments
to
the
city's
map
and
not
make
up
their
own
map,
it's
just
really
really
confusing
as
to
what's
going
on
here.
Thank
you.
M
E
There's
actually
stop
it.
Okay,
there
we
go.
I
I
apologize
because
I
I
could
not
hear
what
he
said.
So
what
the.
E
That
that
actually
could
be
done
by
council
under
state
law.
State
law
provides
for
council
and
award
representation.
You
can
have
there's
two
two
different
forms
of
government
and
there
is
a
process
that
council
would
have
to
go
through.
You
could
change
from
four
awards
and
two
at
large
to
six
wards.
K
M
E
O
E
P
Could
you
give
your
name
please.
O
Name
is
susan
henry
mike.
My
concern
is
that
those
of
us
in
ward
4
did
not
have
rep
representation
until
mr
voss
was
elected
because
council
member
gatto
lives
resides
in
ward
three
and
has
for
seven
years.
O
For
me
ma'am,
so
what
my
question
is
that
a
state
law
or
is
there
some
can
you?
Can
the
city
council
tighten
up
what
residency
primary
residence
means?
That's
my
question.
K
D
M
A
All
right
seeing
that
there's
no
other
speakers,
let's
no
go
ahead
step
up
then.
K
Q
A
So
by
the
way-
and
I
think
it
was
already
pointed
out-
but
the
documents
in
our
recommendation
have
to
be
submitted
to
the
secretary
of
state
by
the
third
of
january
of
2022.
Q
Cool
taylor,
webber
ward,
three,
I
I
think
overlooking
I'll
get
to
the
maps,
definitely
have
comments
on
recommendations,
but
I
think
overlooking
some
of
the
comments
on
accessibility
is
really
short-sighted.
Not
only
were
the
was
the
agenda
not
available
until
yesterday
on
your
guys's
forum
on
your
website
to
sign
up
to
speak,
you
only
had
the
regular
council
meetings
in
there.
You
didn't
have
the
special
ones.
So
if
I
wanted
to
sign
up
to
speak,
I
couldn't
so
that
kind
of
sucks.
Q
I
didn't
see
any
other
languages
that
any
of
this
information
was
put
out
on,
and
I
know
we
have
lots
of
des
moines
residents
that
speak
other
languages,
so
it's
really
not
accessible
for
them
again.
Virtual
options
like
I
had
several
remote
meetings
today
with
people
across
the
country,
so
it's
wild
that
we
can't
have
a
meeting
where
people
give
public
comment
virtually
unfortunate
as
well.
Q
I
know
we're
streaming
this
or
whatever
we're
doing,
but
I
haven't
seen
any
of
the
maps
put
up
on
the
screen
that
would
get
shown
to
anyone
watching
at
home
or
being
able
to
follow
along.
I
have
never
seen
these
posted
online
in
the
three
different
versions
of
the
maps,
with
the
specifics
again
like
it's
really
hard
to
come
prepared
to
these
things.
Q
If
we
haven't
done
our
job
to
make
this
possible-
and
I
understand
we're
working
in
a
finite
amount
of
time
between
when
we
get
information
from
the
county
to
the
deadline,
but
like
that's
literally
your
guys's
job,
so
that'd
be
cool
if
we
could
do
it
better.
Q
I
also
would
love
more
information
on
the
mix-up
between
why
we're
not
talking
about
the
county
maps.
When
that's
what
the
city
said,
we
were
neither
here
nor
there.
As
far
as
the
maps
themselves
are
concerned,
I
have
a
big
problem
with
number
three,
as
you'll
notice
in
number
three
they've
grouped
together,
not
only
a
majority
of
the
west
and
south
side
of
des
moines,
but
linked
downtown
des
moines
and
the
east
village
business
areas
together.
Q
If
you
think
about
how
much
money
is
in
those
areas
how
much
business
influences
in
those
areas
and
then
also
how
much
money
was
spent
in
the
last
election.
For
that
ward,
it's
incredibly
troubling
to
say
we're
concentrating
all
of
that
business
district
into
one
area
instead
of
again
diversifying
who
is
being
represented
in
those
areas.
I
think,
when
you
look
down
at
the
other
maps,
it's
great
to
have
a
line
that
goes
directly
south
on
southwest
9th,
but
does
that
make
war
3
less
diverse
in
the
population
that
is
represented?
Q
If
that
just
is
a
downtown
area
and
not
additional
residency?
So
I
really
think
it's
unfortunate.
My
mic
was
cut.
R
R
I
also
would
like,
if
we're
allowed,
to
address
questions
to
the
council,
as
mr
sanders
said
would
be
allowed.
If
you
could
address
why
you
felt
the
need
to
propose
additional
maps
to
the
county
map
or
how
that
you
feel
how
you
think
that
these
maps
are
superior
to
what
to
that
which
the
county
proposed.
A
D
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
In
addition
to
that,
after
the
press
release
went
out
that
was
mentioned
before
that
the
consideration
would
be
given
to
the
county.
We
had
additional
communications
with
the
county
that
clarified.
They
had
no
intent
for
that
map
to
have
been
a
proposal,
so
that
was
clarified
after
that.
D
That
news
release
went
out
in
addition
to
that
additional
conversations
with
the
county
made
it
clear
that
they
were
open
to
the
idea
of
letting
the
city
adjust
on
the
precinct
boundaries
as
well,
and
so
that
gave
us
the
opportunity
to
come
up
with
cleaner
lines
that
you
see
in
some
of
the
subsequent
options
that
have
been
given.
G
D
That's
what
this
meeting
is
for
there
was.
There
was
not
a
requirement
to
have
any
public
input
at
this
meeting.
That
was
a
decision
by
council
to
make
sure
that
there
was
this
option
and
that's
the
first
point.
The
second
point
being
that
again,
the
process
is
such
that
we
can
ask
for
changes
in
the
precincts
and
that's
what
this
step
is
for
is
to
say
we
like
the
way
these
ward
maps
are
drawn
and
to
get
there.
There
may
be
some
changes
in
the
precincts.
C
D
S
Brad
wisemeyer,
is
they
them
pronouns?
Not
he
him.
I
live
in
ward
three
question:
I
understand
the
rash,
the
justification
that
we
have
for
making
the
precincts
line
up
with
to
kind
of
reduce
the
number
of
different
ballots.
We
have
to
produce
just
curious
if
there
has
been
any
entertainment
of
the
idea
of
going
to
six
wards
rather
than
having
two
at
large
seats,
and
second
question
would
be.
I
just
want
to
re-clarify
that
we
indeed
are
stuck
at
six
or
the
maximum.
A
S
And
there
has
been
no
no
thought
into
expanding
the
six
wards
rather
than
just
the
four.
T
I'm
dropping
stuff,
my
name
is
george
davis
and
I
represent
our
southwestern
hills,
neighborhood
association,
which
is
in
ward
3.,
and
when
we
have
neighborhood
meetings,
we
have
pretty
good
attendance.
We
have
as
many
as
100
and
stuff,
and
I
would
welcome
everyone
here
to
go
and
join
your
neighborhood
board
and
attend
those
meetings,
because
you
can
get
a
lot
done
in
the
ward
meetings
and
stuff
or
in
the
neighborhood
meetings
and
then
come
to
the
ward.
It's
really
beneficial.
To
do
that.
T
I
also
want
to
say
I
appreciate
these
maps
that
you've
come
up
with
today,
because
finally,
I
can
read
the
streets
and
stuff,
I
know
the
ones
in
the
paper.
Sometimes
they
focus
on
different
things
and
they
don't
give
a
clear
picture
of
the
maps
there.
But
I
would
like
to
you
know
when
you
get
older,
you
like
see
them
blown
up
as
big
as
possible,
but
I
do
like
the
maps
the
way
we
got
them
set
up.
T
I
do
appreciate
you
having
this
open
forum
tonight,
and
I
realize
this
isn't
the
final
thing
and
I
understand
that
some
people
have
perceived
it
as
being
changed
at
the
door
or
whatever
I
when
I
called
earlier
today.
I
think
it
was
pretty
succinct
as
to
what
we
were
going
to
be
doing
and
what
we
were
going
to
be
discussing.
T
It
was
going
to
be
these
three
maps
or
at
that
time
it
was
two
I
think,
but
I
appreciate
it
and-
and
I
appreciate
listening
to
everyone
and
and
counsel,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
openness.
As
far
as
letting
us
all
speak,
it's
very
important
that
we
get
to
do
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
K
T
Was
kind
of
looking
at
three
and
but
being
a
south
sider,
I
was
looking
at
three
and
I
think
and
our
work
councilman
is
josh
and
and
and
then
joe
on
the
other
side,
and
I
think
that
gives
more
succinct
lines
and
stuff,
just
as
a
thought
thrown
out
there.
T
The
only
difference
I
could
see
was
that
dog
lady,
going
out
from
ward
3
at
the
top
going
northeast,
see
that
you
know
what
I'm
talking
about
there,
that
little
dog
leg
out
there
so
yeah
anyway.
Thank
you
very
much.
G
Hi
I'm
jen
leatherby.
I
live
in
ward
one.
I
want
to
express
my
frustration
at
the
last
minute
change
as
well,
I'm
here,
because
I
saw
the
county
map
and
I
was
concerned
about
it
as
a
lot
of
people
are,
and
I'm
happy
that
that's
not
here
right
now,
but
that
also
makes
me
feel
insecure
about
the
fact
that
maybe
it
will
change
at
the
last
minute
again
do
I
have
like
the
reassurance
that
it's
not
that
map
is
never
going
to
come
up
again
in
this
year
for
consideration.
A
G
Okay,
yeah-
and
I,
if
I
could
say
I
would
prefer
the
second
map-
and
I
just
want
to
also
reiterate
that
I
wish
that
we
could
still
have
remote
meetings.
G
It's
not
as
easy
to
access
these
meetings
now
that
they're
in
person,
I
think
it's
great
to
have
both
because
it's
nice
to
see
people's
faces,
but
it's
just
not
very
accessible,
and
if
there
was
some
way
that
we
could
do
both.
That
would,
I
think,
make
the
public
more
able
to
weigh
in
on
the
things
that
affect
their
everyday
lives.
A
All
right
council,
we
have
received
a
lot
of
public
comment
and,
let's
open
it
up
for
a
proposal,
is
that
right,
miss
manager,
that's
what
we're
looking
for
council
input.
Anybody.
C
Just
I
want
to
say,
first
of
all,
for
the
confusion
of
the
county
map.
Never
before
has
the
county
given
suggestions,
so
it
was
really
just
a
suggestion
and
I
think
they
were
trying
to
do
it
because
of
the
school
district,
whereas
we
have.
I
have
talked
to
some
of
the
school
district
people
about
possibly
looking
at
our
map
because
it's
more
contained
and
more
concise.
C
I
was
on
school
board
when
we
created
the
school
districts
and
they
because
they
there's
how
many
school
districts
within
des
moines
eight.
So
I
think
that's
caused
some
of
the
confusion
on
why
what
has
happened,
but
in
reviewing
the
maps,
I
think
the
compactness,
the
city
maps
are
much
more
compact.
C
P
Are
you
moving
that
then
connie?
What
I
think
we
need
emotion,
so
you
were
stating
your
preference,
but
well.
T
P
On
the
table
well
I'll
move
plan,
three
yeah.
If.
N
It
goes
from
county
line
road
straight
to
the
river,
and
then
it
loops
around
tom
spec
to
indianola
road
and
that's
where
and
that's
where
it
ends
as
far
as
the
as
far
as
being
money
or
whatever
the
comments
that
we
heard,
because
that
that
brings
the
downtown
and
the
east
village,
just
because
one
councilman
represents
one
area
doesn't
mean
that
nothing
vote.
N
You
have
to
have
four
votes
to
to
pass
anything,
not
not
one
vote,
so
that
that
argument
is
is
just
null
and
void,
and-
and
I
I
just
it's-
the
things
that
go
through
folks
is
mine
is,
is
incredible,
it's
incredible
to
to
think
about,
and
you
know
unfortunately
when,
unfortunately
when
when
us,
when
we
try
to
speak
and
others
are
trying
to
speak
on
top
of
us,
that's
very
disrespectful.
N
M
I'm
quite
honestly,
agnostic
on
the
three,
the
three
maps:
I'm
I'm
okay
with
with
any
of
them.
I
think
they
all
they
all
meet
the
criteria.
I
agree
with
what
councilmember
gatto
said
about
the
third
map,
being
the
easiest
to
explain.
M
In
fact,
there
were
people
in
that
trunk
that
moved
from
in
the
in
the
first
and
second
map
that
moved
on
that
southwest
ninth
side,
where
I
knocked
their
door
this
year
and
they
actually
thought
that
they
were
represented
by
councilmember
gatto,
even
after
I
explained
to
them
that
they
they
were
not,
and
partly,
I
think
that
confusion
is
over
that
southwest
ninth
border.
So
I
think,
in
that
regard,
it's
a
cleaner
map,
it's
easier
to
explain
to
constituents.
I
do
think
there
is
concern
about
the
diversity
in
ward
3..
M
I
don't
think
that
is
addressed
in
any
of
these
three
maps.
Ward
3
loses
some
socioeconomic
diversity
in
the
university
and
drake
area
and
there's
certainly
some
concern.
I
do
think
actually
that
the
third
map
here
adds
some
additional
socioeconomic
and
racial
diversity
back
into
ward
3,
as
compared
to
the
first
and
second
maps,
although
that's
eyeballing
it.
So
it
it's
hard
to
know
with,
without
digging
into
the
census
data
specifically.
M
But
I
think
that's
a
general
concern
and
something
that
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
going
forward
and
that
I
hope
I,
as
a
ward,
3
representative,
will
certainly
be
mindful
of
it.
I
think
one
of
the
things
is
sometimes
we
focus
too
much
on
the
wards.
We
all
represent
the
entire
city
and
all
have
an
obligation
to
all
of
the
folks
who
live
in
this
city,
and-
and
I
will
keep
that
in
mind,
going
forward.
E
A
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
I'll
ask
everybody
to
vote.