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From YouTube: 4-19-21 City Council Work Session
Description
Des Moines City Council morning work session on Monday, April 19, 2021.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilAtHome
C
D
Good
morning,
mayor
council
members,
thanks
for
joining
us
this
monday
morning,
we
have
three
topics
to
cover
at
this
work
session
and
actually
all
three
are
gonna
have
suanne
donovan
speaking,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
right
over
to
her
to
talk
about
encroachments.
E
F
So
when
we
talk
about
encroachments,
this
is
kind
of
what
a
camp
would
look
like
when
we
go
and
do
a
cleanup,
you
see
lots
of
junk
debris
garbage
that
type
of
issues
that
we
deal
with
when
we
go
out
and
do
a
cleanup
so
a
little
history
on
the
process
in
2012
we
amended
chapter
102
to
include
encroachment,
notices
and
hearings.
F
At
that
time,
we
met
with
service
providers
to
discuss
how
we
could
work
together
on
the
issue
of
the
encampments,
they
wanted
to
go
into
the
camps
and
try
to
get
people
benefits,
to
move
to
safe
and
secure
housing,
and
we
we
were
all
in
favor
of
that.
We
agreed
to
work
with
them
and
not
clean
sites
where
someone
was
staying
waiting
for
benefits,
so
we
developed
operating
procedures
for
complaints
regarding
encroachments
on
city
property.
F
With
its
help,
we
created
a
mapping
gis
to
resolve
property
ownership
issues
so
we're
out
there
we
ping
the
site
and
then,
when
we
come
back
into
the
office
we
can
identify
whose
property
the
encroachment
is
on,
and
then
we
we
again
coordinate
with
service
providers.
We
tell
them
where
we're
going
to
go
out
and
post
a
10-day
notice.
F
You
know
it
used
to
be
a
21-day
notice.
We
backed
that
off
to
a
10-day
notice.
The
notice
is
to
allow
them
to
appeal
the
the
cleanup
of
the
encroachment
through
the
administrative
hearing
process,
but
if
the
site
is
determined
to
be
hazardous,
we're
going
to
clean
up
the
hazardous
conditions
immediately.
F
Hazardous
conditions
would
include
raw
garbage
human
waste
needles,
some
other
things
that
need
to
be
cleaned
up
immediately,
so
at
the
expiration
of
10
days.
If
there's
no
appeal
we'll
go
out
and
do
an
another
inspection
and
then
if
the
encroachment
is
remaining
we'll
post
a
four
day
notice
and
the
removal
will
occur
as
soon
as
the
expiration
of
the
fifth
day
again,
we
notify
service
providers
of
the
pending
cleanup
so
that
they
can
provide
assistance
to
people
prior
to
or
during
the
clean
up
process.
F
Again
the
the
appeal
goes
to
our
administrative
hearing
judge
and
that
stays
the
cleanup
effort.
Until
after
the
hearing
can
be
held,
then
the
alj
can
issue
a
determination
on
whether
they
feel
the
cleanup
should
proceed
on
private
property.
We
will
send
the
owner
a
notice
of
the
encroachment
if
the
owner
requests
assistance.
The
city
may
assist
in
the
cleanup
enforcement
proceedings
will
begin
if
the
owner
fails
to
abate
the
violation.
F
A
lot
of
the
cleanups
occur
on
railroad
property,
and
so
we
work
with
the
railroad
companies
to
conduct
cleanups
at
some
point
times.
They
will
come
and
bring
in
their
own
equipment
to
help
us
do
the
cleanup
on
their
property.
So
a
lot
of
times
we're
doing
cleanups
on
railroad
and
city
property
simultaneously,
with
their
assistance.
F
F
We
had
a
supervisor
spend
eight
hours
a
week,
so
at
about
416
hours
in
2020,
an
inspector
assisting
estimated
at
four
hours
a
week,
which
is
about
208
hours,
so
a
total
of
614
hours
in
2020,
I'm
asking
finance
to
get
the
salary
information,
so
we
can
know
how
much
actual
money
is
being
said
spent
in
salaried
hours
for
cleanups.
F
F
Some
of
their
questions
were:
where
do
they
tell
campers
to
move
when
the
site
is
posted?
There's
really
not
a
good
answer
for
that,
and
then
there's
always
the
long-term
solution
for
chronic
homelessness
still
to
be
worked
out
and
an
ongoing
process
of
trying
to
assist
people
that
are
chronically
homeless.
F
G
So
when
you
had
conversations
with
the
service
providers
last
week,
I
mean
today
my
understanding
is:
there
was
space
at
central
iowa
shelter
in
service.
What
do
they
identify
as
as
barriers
or
their
folks?
Just
I
mean
are
the
folks
who
are
chronically
homeless
folks
who
are
not
willing
to
come
into
the
shelters,
not
able
to
be
served
by
the
shelter.
F
That's
a
good
question
and
I
think
it's
multifaceted.
I
think
there
are
people
who
cannot
go
back
into
the
shelter
for
one
reason
or
another.
There
are
also
people
that
don't
want
to
access
that
housing
choice
and
I
think
it
takes
a
long
time
to
try
to
get
people
to
trust
enough
to
move
into
a
sheltered
environment.
F
So
that's
a
that's
a
long-term
harder
solution,
but
when
you
talk
to
the
service
providers,
I
think
that
it
is
a
combination
of
they
don't
trust
the
system.
They
don't
want
to
be
in
shelters
and
they
can't
abide
by
some
of
the
guidelines
and
rules
that
the
shelters
have,
and
so
they
choose
to
stay
in
in
camps.
H
The
other
thing
is,
I
know
that
many
times
when
they're
out
camping,
the
the
problem
is
they're
they're
possessions,
do
the
providers
or
is
there
some
type
of
like
you
know
that,
like
a
storage
pod
or
something
that,
if
we
are
going
to
get
them
housing
somewhere
else,
they
could
put
their
things,
because
that
seems
to
be
one
of
their
big
obstacles
of
leaving
the
camp
is
all
the
things
that
they
have,
whether
it
be
their
bike
or
what
we
might
not
consider
great
in
great
condition,
some
things,
that's
their
possessions
and
tents,
and
things
like
that,
so
the
providers
have
any
idea
of
what
they
could
possibly
do
for
their
personal
possessions.
F
C
F
From
what
I
got
from
our
conversation
is
what
they
do
before.
The
cleanup
is
try
to
make
sure
that
things
that
are
important
papers,
medication,
that
type
of
thing
is,
is
moving
with
them
and
they
help
provide
some
service
to
help
them
gather
their
things
and
move
it.
I
have
not
heard,
and
it's
a
good
question:
actually
I've
not
heard
of
a
place
where
people
could
store
and
keep
their
belongings
safe,
but
that
is
worth
a
larger
discussion
with
the
service
providers.
H
F
Some
kind
of
you
know
get
vouchers
lined
up
for
them.
Get
the
first
month's
rent
and
deposit
lined
up
and
find
the
housing
and
get
them
get
them
in
somewhere,
where
they're,
safe
and
stable,
and
not
necessarily
having
to
abide
by
all
of
the.
F
Rules
of
a
of
a
shelter
that
that
is
the
ultimate
goal
that
we
all
have
is
to
get
people
into
permanent,
safe
shelter.
H
E
Carl,
oh
thank
you,
mayor
county,
so
along
the
des
moines
river
and
the
raccoon
river
corridors
is
the
the
land.
I
guess
that's
called
a
greenway
technically
is
that
city
property
or,
for
example,
there's
some
some
posting
of
signs
along
the
des
moines
river,
and
it
it
so
this
is
it's
posted,
no
camping
and
it's
city
code
quoted,
so
is
that
city
land
there
or
whose
land
is
that.
F
F
Land
next
to
the
for
the
river
and
for
the
flood
control,
we
are
as
a
party
to
agreements
with
the
federal
government
that
we
will
protect
the
the
levees
and
people
off
of
them.
So
it
may
not
be
our
ownership,
but
it
is
our
our
obligation.
E
Okay,
I've
got
three
more,
I
hope,
quick
questions
so
this
last
week
there
were
some
camps
that
were
cleaned
out
and
that
and
they
had
been
posted,
do
generally
speaking,
do
the
campers
move
out
before
the
city
staff
comes
in
or
you
know
if
the
the
camps
were
cleaned
out,
but
but
did
did
people
move
voluntarily
or
or
not.
F
I
think
we
find
that
for
the
most
part,
when
we
post
the
the
clean
we're
coming
to
clean
it
up,
notice,
they're
moving
voluntarily
and
taking
what
they
want
to
with
them.
Okay,
occasionally
you'll
find
somebody
who
hasn't
moved
and
what
the
crews
do
is
clean
up
other
areas
while
they
can
gather
their
belongings
and
and
vacate,
and
we
hope,
with
the
aid
of
our
partners,
service
providers.
You
know
with
their
help.
So
it's
a
combination,
but
I
think
most
most
the
time
they
they
have
gathered,
what
they
want
and
have
moved
on.
E
Okay,
so
additional
question
here
is:
I
know
this
is
a
time
of
year
where
the
the
woods
have
not
leafed
out
yet,
and
it's
puzzling
to
people
who
contact
me
like.
Why
is
there
so
much
trash
in
the
camps?
And
you
know
I,
I
don't
think
that
at
least
people
I
talk
to
would
be
so.
E
Objection
would
objects
so
much
if
they
weren't
so
trishy
is
there
any
have
other
cities
figured
out
how
to
deal
with
this
or
any
insight
is
to
to
what
we
could
could
make
changes
we
could
could
make
in
our
policies
that
there
wouldn't
be
as
much
trash
suggestions
on
that.
F
F
F
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
lifestyle
or
or
if
it's
a
choice,
that
they
don't
clean
up,
but
it
just
seems
that
they,
the
the
accumulation
of
trash,
is
the
problem
or
one
of
the
problems.
So
if
we
can
find
a
solution
that
would
be,
or
at
least
assist,
that
would
be
right.
Yeah.
E
And
my
final
question
is
regarding
camps
that
are
just
right
up
against
our
trails
or
or
bridges
and
the
occupants
harassing
people
and,
for
example,
there's
a
new
camp
right
now
on
the
north
bank
of
the
raccoon
at
the
fifth
street
bridge.
E
I've
never
seen
I've
run
across
that
bridge,
for
I
don't
know,
20
years
never
seen
a
camp
right
there,
but
especially
for
women
that
are
are
running
solo,
they're
used
to
the
the
great
downtown
lighting
along
trails,
but
it's
very
uncomfortable
when,
when
they're,
when
they're
being
harassed
in
that
area-
and
it's
I
know
it's
a
challenge
for
for
everyone
who's
on
this
call,
but
I
don't
think
you
we
would
be
experiencing
the
complaints
if
it
just
wasn't
right
there
right
as
you
get
off
the
or
get
on
the
fifth
street
bridge.
E
F
F
I
would-
and
I
would
sometimes
we
have
had
pd-
go
out
and
talk
to
the
occupants
about
their
behavior.
So
maybe
that's
something
that
I
can
work
on.
F
We've
had
other
instances
like
this
at
the
central
high
school.
You
know
they
were
harassing
people.
It's
it
pops
up
every
once
in
a
while,
where
you
get
some
un
unwanted
behavior
from
sure
people.
E
F
F
E
G
What
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
talked
with
staff
and
some
of
the
service
providers
about
was?
Was
this
idea
of
a
mobile
trailer
that
that
had
showers
and
restrooms
and
space
for
intake
consultations.
G
That
to
me
seems
like
a
really
useful
tool
when,
when
we're
talking
about
helping
folks
transition
out
of
out
of
a
campsite-
and
I
know
there
was
interest
from
at
least
some
interest
at
a
staff
level-
and
there
was
certainly
interest
with
the
service
providers-
I
is.
Is
that
something
that
we
can
move
towards,
and
I
thought
there
was
maybe
dollars
in
the
the
cares
act
that
might
be
a
good
fit
for
this.
F
G
I
I
guess
my
my
concern
was
that
the
that
it
was
stalled
out
in
the
process
because
there
wasn't
sufficient
direction
from
council,
and
so
I
I
mean
my
my
hope
would
be
that
we
can
provide
that
direction
here.
That
there's
enough
of
the
council.
That
would
like
to
see
us
pursue
a
solution
like
that
that
we
can
provide
support
for
it.
F
G
C
Yeah
this
is,
this
is
good
direction
for
us.
We,
we
have
talked
with
central
iowa
children's
services
about
it.
It
is
a
we'd
have
to
come
back
with
a
recommendation
on
the
funding,
but
it
would
take
council
approval
to
move
forward.
D
So,
council,
this
is
scott.
One
of
the
challenges
that
we'll
want
to
understand
is
if
we
bring
additional
resources
out
into
the
encampments,
are
we
enabling
them
further
to
stay
unsheltered
and
so
there's
a
balance
we're
going
to
need
to
find
of
of
when
we
would
engage
those
resources,
because
again,
the
ultimate
goal
is
to
get
them
into
permanent
housing.
D
So
there's
there's
definitely
unintended
consequences
that
we've
got
to
be
very
well
aware
of
in
what
resources
are
brought
out
into
the
encampments,
not
to
say
that
it
should
be.
The
answer
should
be
no,
but.
G
I
mean
if
we're,
if
we're
talking
about
moving
folks,
we
should
engage
and
do
that
as
humanely
as
possible,
and
it
seems
like
a
very
good
time
to
bring
out
additional
resources
and
to
make
an
effort
from
the
outreach
side
so
help
them
clean
up
help
them
help
them
move
efficiently,
but
hopefully
help
them
get
services
so
that
we
don't
have
to
engage
in
that
way
again
in
the
future.
D
Well,
chris,
let's
both
plan
to
talk
with
with
melissa
and
others.
I
Yeah,
scott,
I
know
there's
other
service
providers
other
than
the
central
iowa
shelters
that
they
go
out
and
really
have
a
relationship.
I
mean
joppa
has
a
a
relationship
and
knows
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
these
folks
by
name
and
where
they're
at.
I
think
that
you
need
to
give
us
some
options
of
which
providers
is
going
to
provide
the
best
services
for
us
to
to
help
some
of
these
find
and
and
help
them
relocate
or
wherever.
H
I
Going
to
relocate
it,
you
know
connie
brought
up
a
great
point.
I
mean
one
of
the
reasons
that
they're
not
going
into
any
shelter
and
they're
they're
scared,
because
they're
going
to
lose
their
stuff
in
a
storage,
some
type
of
storage
area
where
they
can
store
their
stuff
when
it's
so
bitterly
cold
or
hot
or
the
conditions
just
aren't
very
good
where
they're
living.
I
I
think
that
we
also
need
to
look
into
that,
and
we
need
to
have
options
for
that
and
where
that
can
be
located
at
the
shelter
or
whatever
provider
we're
going
to
deal
with.
So
I
think
that
staff
needs
to
come
back
and
give
us
options.
Not
just
hey
we're
going
to
do
this
with
the
central
iowa,
shelter.
D
H
H
I
think
it's
that
fifth
street
one
and
I
talked
to
jonathan
gano
about
even
getting
them
garbage
bags,
because
that's
one
of
the
complaints
we
have
as
the
garbage
is
to
have
them,
help
clean
up,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
got
accomplished
this
weekend,
but
I
think
in
talking
with
melissa,
if
there
was
at
the
shelter
if
there
was
space
and
whether
it
be
the
shelter
there's
other
groups
going
out
all
the
time
and
trying
to
help
these
people
that
are
homeless.
H
She
brought
up
about
that
portable
shower
facility,
and
I
think
it
to
me
it's
a
great
way
to
gain
trust,
hopefully
and
that
they
can
get
the
services.
So
I
think
it
serves
two.
H
It's
it's
more
humane
to
have
that
opportunity
for
people
have
the
proper
showers
and
bathroom
facilities,
but
it's
also
a
great
way
to
connect
with
them,
and
I
think
whatever
we
can
do
who,
by
getting
all
the
providers
together
and
discussing
because
they
do
joe
you're
right.
They
do
know
the
people
and
they
have
a
connection
with
them.
So,
however,
we
can
get
help,
but
then
the
end
result
is
where
what
housing
can
we
get
them?
H
And
I
think
that's
one
thing:
we
needed
research
on
what
kind
of
housing
whether
it
be,
even
if
it's
three
months,
two
months
whatever
until
they
get
to
even
more
permanent
housing,
if
they
don't
want
to
go
into
a
shelter
setting.
So
if
there's
some
type
of
alternative,
that's
that
could
work.
So
I
guess
I
would
like
to
see
what
could
be
done
on
that
end
of
it.
B
All
right,
why
don't
we?
This
is
a.
B
Tough
subject
that
we've
been
dealing
with
for
it
seems
like
a
couple
of
decades
and
if
not
before,
so
I
think
that
let's
keep
working
on
it
and
I
appreciate
chris
you
and
and
suan
your
your
input
and
I
think
the
council
has
continuing
concerns
and
some
good
ideas.
So,
let's
let's
keep
working
on
it
and
and
maybe
bring
it
back
if
need
be
and
see.
If
there's
some
things,
we
can
do.
Let's
move
on
to
our
next
subject,
the
rental
codes.
F
So
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
rental
code
now.
F
So
we
need
to
do
some
amendments
to
the
rental
code,
mainly
to
align
with
intergov
in
the
code
is
heavy
on
process.
Let's
just
put
it
that
way,
and
so
we
need
to
change
some
of
the
process
and
the
code
to
align
what
we're
doing
with
our
new
computer
program.
F
F
F
F
So
in
order
to
allow
the
access
to
the
unit
to
get
to
the
exit
the
door
has
what's
referred
to
as
a
knockout
panel.
It
is
simply
a
piece
of
glass
that
is
broken
so
that
someone
can
reach
in
and
unlock
the
door
and
gain
access
to
the
unit.
In
order
to
exit
the
building,
these
are
not
safe,
they're,
not
supported
by
building
code.
F
F
F
What
we
have
done
in
the
past
is
when
somebody
when
the
furnace
finally
fails
and
they
come
in,
to
pull
a
permit
for
replacement,
we
make
them
replace
and
make
them
install
individual
units
in
the
apartment
unit,
we're
trying
to
consider
stepping
that
up
and
having
a
a
sort
of
faster
conversion.
F
F
When
we
brought
it
to
the
public
meeting,
they
said
again,
the
change
will
adversely
affect
small
business.
They
were
asking
the
city
for
options
and
direction.
They
estimate
upgrades
could
cost
up
to
twenty
thousand
dollars
per
building.
Why
does
this
apply
to
rental
units
and
not
to
doctor's
offices?
And
they
don't
believe?
It's
a
health
issue:
this
is
the
mechanical
code
that
speaks
to
unsafe
mechanical
systems
and
it's
the
basis
of
our
sort
of
consideration
of
this
as
an
as
an
option
for
more
safe
rental
units.
Moving
forward.
F
F
F
We
also
introduced
the
training
requirement
that
that
is
the
training
requirement
for
fair
housing
and
the
how
to
navigate
the
rental
code
and
the
crime
free
multihousing
that
we
have
previously
discussed.
F
F
And
then
again
thinking
about
the
intergov,
we
explained
the
benefits
and
they
think
that
it
would
be
helpful
in
managing
inspections,
a
little
confusion
about
the
process
of
license
versus
certificate,
and
I
know
we're
going
to
have
to
do
outreach
and
training
before
this
goes
live
actually.
The
way
the
system
is
shaking
out
to
work
is
that
it
won't
be
any
difference
between
license
and
certificate.
It's
just
a
change
in
terminology,
more
than
change
in
process,
so
it
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
that
difficult.
F
F
F
B
Joanne
sure
joe's
got
his
hand
up.
You
want
to
take
a
question
as
you
move
along.
I
Thanks
mayor
so
suen
going
forward,
you
say
increasing
fees
of
five
percent.
Would
we
be
doing
this?
If
would
it
always
be
increasing
five
percent
if
we
weren't
doing
some
of
these
things
and
what?
What
is
the
increase
whatever
it?
My
my
concern
is-
and
I
understand
the
safety
issues,
whatever
whatever
fee
that
we
increase
or
whatever
that's
going
directly
to
the
to
the
person,
that's
paying
the
bills,
and
it's
not
the
it's,
not
the
guy
that
owns
it.
I
He's
passing
that
on,
and
so
we've
got
to
be
very
cautious
about
affordable
housing
and
raising
rent.
By
doing
some
of
these
things-
and
I
understand
if
it's
a
health
and
safety
issues,
the
knockout
panel
seems
like
a
logical
thing
that
that
needs
to
be
taken
care
of.
F
No,
that
no,
it
isn't
real.
We
haven't
increased
rental
inspection
fees
for
five
six
seven
years.
I
can't
remember
how
long
it's
been
the
rental
inspection
fees
don't
come
anywhere
close
to
covering
the
cost
of
the
service
that
we
provide
in
the
rental
inspections
and
iris.
I
totally
get
the
balance
between
increasing
fees
and
affordable
housing.
It's
a
it's
a
tricky
balance.
F
So
I
think
the
five
percent
was
just
to
capture
some
of
the
sort
of
over
the
years
that
we
haven't
increased
to
cover
the
cost
of
the
service,
but
going
going
along
with
that
is
conduct
a
fee
study
and
try
and
figure
out
what
the
balance
is
and
how
much
subsidy
does
the
city
want
to
put
into
the
rental
program
and
and
how
it
reflects
on
affordable
housing.
Council
could
certainly
say:
don't
increase
fees
until
after
we
do
the
fee
study
that's
another
way
to
to
deal
with
it.
F
I
Right,
so
can
you
go
back
to
the
slide
before
this
and
talk
to
me
about
the
the
the
unit,
the
air
units
for
each
apartment
and
how,
in
the
past,
that's
been
allowed,
but
now
it's
it's
we're
asking
that
it
not
be
allowed.
Is
it
and
can
you
just
tell
me
the
reason
and
why
we've
allowed
it
in
the
past?
Why
it's
why
we're
you're
recommending
that
it?
It
doesn't.
F
Well,
what
I'm
told
by
the
building
department
is
that
we've
adopted
the
mechanical
code
15
years
ago
or
so,
but
and
they've
never
they've
never
allowed
shared
air
in
the
mechanical
code.
I'm
sure
that
some
of
these,
these
forced
air
units
were
lack
of
better
term
grandfathered
in
because
the
conversion
is
so
old.
F
So
what
we've
been
doing
to
date
is
when
the
unit
fails
and
they
have
to
replace
it.
Then
they
have
to
separate
out
the
shared
air
we've
been
sort
of
told
by
the
building
department
that
we
need
to
be
a
little
bit
more
aggressive
about
getting
them
separated
out
because
of
the
health
hazards
and
the
fire
hazard.
F
Now,
council
can
certainly
decide
that
they
want
them
to
remain
until
they
fail
and
then
do
the
separation
or
have
this
phased
in
a
phased-in
approach.
I
Yeah
yeah
just
real
quick
mayor,
so
how
does
that
work
with?
And
I
think
one
of
the
questions
was
on
there?
How
does
that
work
with
different
office
buildings
when
they
have
one
big
unit
forcing
air
to
these
different
office
buildings?
How
is
the
difference?
I
guess
I
would
just
you
know
you.
I
don't
understand
how
that's
different.
I
guess
myself
either.
F
Yeah,
I
think
the
difference
is
that
when
you
go
to
a
doctor's
office
you're
in
there,
for
you
know
hour
whatever
and
then
you're
out
and
you
go
home
when
you're
at
home
you're
there
for
longer
periods
of
time.
That's
where
you
go
home
to
be
sick,
but
the
bigger.
I
think
one
of
the
bigger
issues
is
the
fire
safety.
F
When
you
have
air
transferring
between
units
and
something
starts
on
fire,
you're
pulling
smoking
and
fire
into
other
units
through
that
shared
system,
and
I'm
not
a
mechanical
code
expert.
So
I
can
certainly
go
to
the
experts
and
find
out
what
the
difference
is
in
the
code
between
offices
and
habitable
structures
and
see,
if
there's
a
rationale
in
the
mechanical
code.
B
J
Thank
you,
mayor
swan,
I'm
just
curious
with
the
fee
structures.
Have
we
benchmarked
those
against
any
other
cities
around
us
or
even
in
the
state.
F
We're
working
on
that
with
finance-
we
don't
have
the
answer
to
that.
I
don't
have
the
answer
to
that
today.
F
J
I'm
kind
of
worried
that
if
taxpayers
are
making
up
the
shortfall
in
the
fees,
are
they
doing
it
elsewhere
as
well.
My
thought.
D
Mayor,
if
I
could
real
quick,
this
is
scott
as
far
as
context
with
with
the
cost,
there
is
a
savings
that
landlords
all
landlords
right
now
with
rental
properties,
are
receiving
through
the
reduction
in
the
in
the
rollback,
and
it's
pretty
significant
they're
going
from
what
was
originally
a
hundred
percent
in
taxes
to
close
to
fifty
percent,
and
so
that
those
figures
when
you
do
the
math
is
about
twelve
hundred
dollars
of
savings
annually
for
every
hundred
thousand
dollar
property.
D
And
so
a
lot
of
these
properties
are
seeing
savings
of
two
or
three
times
that
amount.
When
you
know
they
might
have
four
or
five
or
even
six
units
within
a
shared
system.
So
there's
pretty
significant
savings
on
the
property
tax
side
that
all
of
these
rental
properties
are
receiving
through
the
through
the
tax
changes.
So
just
be
aware
of
that
as
well.
B
K
D
K
K
K
D
K
Okay
and
then
I'd
like
to
know
when
you
talk
about
you,
want
the
fair
housing
training.
Is
this
coming
to
us
from
the
human
and
civil
rights,
because
they've
got
this
in
their
agenda
that
they
want
to
put
in
place.
But
how
does
that?
How
many
complaints
have
there
been?
Are
we
aware
of
any
complaints
that
have
been
filed
with
somebody
saying
that
they
that
fair
housing
was
violated,
because
I
know
many
people
have
have
companies
that
manage
their
properties
and
they're
they're
all
trained
in
fair
housing?
K
F
Yeah
I
can
find
that
out.
I
know
there
have
been
complaints,
but
I
I
can
talk
to
joshua,
okay
and
get
you
a
better,
a
better
concrete
number.
F
So
I
think
I'm
still
looking
if
I
can
get
some
idea
of
what
council's
thinking
on
the
air
units
and
knockout
panels,
we
can
start
working
on
the
code.
B
I
Mayor
just
and
I
can
the
the
nuclear
family.
I
think
that
we
should
allow
that
to
still
take
place,
how
it
how
it
is.
I
think,
if
a
parent
buys
a
home
for
their
kid
and
they
want
them
to
live
there,
and
I
I
think
that
that's.
I
think
that
we
should
leave
that
alone.
As
far
as
the
knockout
panels,
I
would
agree,
that's
probably
a
health
and
safety
issue,
the
forced
air
I
mean
I,
I
probably
need
a
little
bit
more
information.
Suanne.
I
Sorry,
I
probably
that's-
probably
not
the
answer
you're
looking
for,
but
I'm
not
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
that
works.
I
really
don't
want
people
to
keep
fixing
units
old
units
and
not
have
them
energy
efficient
for
the
the
tenants
that
have
to
pay
the
bill,
and
so,
if
that's
happening,
then
yeah
we
need
to.
We
need
to
figure
out
how
to
make
that
better
for
the
tenants.
F
We
we
can
certainly
do
some
more
work
on
the
mechanical
exchange
and
get
you
some
more
information
on
that.
I
But
I
hate
to
see
that
we
have
to
wait
until
it's
replaced
and
then
they
just
keep
fixing
it.
You
know
an
old
unit,
I
mean
sometimes
you
can't
even
get
freon
for
some
of
these
older
units
and
if
they
keep
doing
that
eventually,
it's
they're
gonna
have
to
be
replaced
or
they're,
just
not
gonna
work
very
good
or
efficient,
and
so
at
that
point
in
time
you
know
the
the
tenants
paying
you
know
more.
I
You
know
that
their
monthly
bills
are
more
than
what
they
need
to
be
spending,
and
so
you
go
back
to
the
affordable
housing
argument
where
we're
not
doing
them.
Justice
by
this
is
supposed
to
be
a
portable
housing
unit,
but
we
put
so
much
stipulation
on
there
that
it's
not
so
it's
a
tricky
road.
It
really
is.
C
H
H
As
far
as
the
to
what
joe
brought
up
about
more
information
on
the
four-star
units,
I
think
we
need
to
do
whatever
we
can
to
again
for
the
health
and
safety,
but
also,
if
they're,
you
know,
possibly,
if
they're
going
to
be
putting
newer
ones
in
again,
that's
a
savings
for
the
tenants
that
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
and
getting
more
energy
efficient,
because
a
lot
of
times
until
you're
forced
to
do
something
these,
depending
how
old
they
are
or,
if
they're,
a
certain
age.
H
G
Yeah,
oh
I'll,
just
weigh
in
I.
I
do
think
that
the
knockout
panel,
it's
a
very
clear
health
and
safety
issue
and
a
habitability
issue,
so
I
I'm
comfortable
going
forward
with
that
change.
I
also
a
I.
I
think
we
should
probably
be
going
forward
on
the
on
the
forced
air
separation
and
I
I'd
like
to
look
at
opportunities
from
an
efficiency
perspective
there
as
well.
G
I
I
think,
that's
that's
a
a
major
piece
of
this
and
if
it's
an
opportunity
to
lower
utilities
for
for
tenants
and
lower
their
their
energy
burden
as
well-
and
I
think
that's
worth
looking
into
I-
I
would
be
comfortable
maintaining
the
the
nuclear
family
exception
and
addressing
those
issues.
G
If
there
are
concerns
addressing
that
with
with
different
policies
in
the
future,
I
do
we
have
data
in
terms
of
how
many,
how
many
homes
are
using
that
nuclear
family
exception.
F
C
G
Okay,
I
mean
it
would
just
maybe
be
helpful
to
understand
how
much
of
an
issue
that
is
in
the
broader,
in
the
broader
sense.
I'd
also
be
I'd,
also
love
to
understand
how
many
homes
have
knockout
panels
and
how
many,
how
many
places
this
forced
air
piece
is
an
issue
as
well.
G
I
mean
because
I
assume
that's
something
that
when
we
do
a
rental
inspection,
our
inspectors
notice,
both
the
knockout
panel
and
the
and
how
the
mechanicals
are
structured
right.
F
They
do
they
don't
list
it
specifically,
unless
it's
a
violation,
so
we
would
have
to
figure
out
a
way
to
incorporate
that
into
inner
gov
as
a
collectible
field.
Let
me
let
me
work
with.
I
t
on
that
see
if
they
have
suggestions.
C
C
G
H
F
If
we
believe
that
a
furnace
is
industry
is
not
safe,
we
will
ask
for
them
to
hire
a
mechanical
professional
to
to
look
at
the
furnace
and
tell
us
that
it's
in
good
repair,
that's
another
option
for
us
would
be
to
get
with
professionals
and
say
if
a
furnace
is
over
20
years
old
or
you
know
whatever.
F
The
number
is
that
it
needs
to
be
replaced,
be
due
to
its
age
and
its
energy
efficiency,
and
that
would
be
another
way
to
phase
them
out,
based
on
some
criteria
that
we
develop
for
the
age
of
the
unit.
H
Yeah,
I
think
we
can
look
at
that,
but
I'm
just
saying
from
even
going
forward
for
inspectors.
If,
if
for
rental
inspection
do
they
have
to
provide,
I
guess
do
they
have
to
provide
the
fact
that
they
have
had
their
furnaces?
Do
they
have
inspection
every
year?
Do
we
require
that.
F
H
B
I
I
I
would
like
to
see
what
our
costs
are
compared
to
what
we're
charging
as
it's
passed
on
to
the
tenant
and
the
landlords.
B
I
F
F
B
K
I
just
had
one
comment:
where
are
we
going
to
discuss
any
further
if
a
person
rents
a
home
to
a
family
member?
Have
we
put
that
in
place
now
that
they
have
to
get
a
full,
a
full
rental,
inspection
and
it'll
be
treated
like
any
other
rental.
K
But
nuclear
family
is
there
a
difference
between
those
that
are
just
living
with
another
family?
If
I
have
a
two-story,
if
I
have
a
rental,
if
I
have
a
duplex
and
my
kids
are
living
next
door,
but
that's
different
than
somebody
who
says
I
don't
have
to
have
a
rental
inspection,
because
my
son
lives
here
and
my
daughter
lives
here.
I
thought
we
were
in
agreement
that
we
wanted
those
type
of
rentals
to
have
a
full
rental
inspection.
K
F
K
I
Thanks
mayor
so
suanne-
and
I
appreciate
linda's
question
and
she's
got
a
very
she's-
got
a
very
valid
point.
How
many
you've
been
doing
this
a
long
time?
I
mean
how
many,
how
many
instances
do
we
have
where
we've
got
someone
renting
to
their
nuclear
family
and
it's
causing
it's
causing
problems
that
would
be
under
the
rental
code
that
we
can
that
we
can
really
address
in
a
better
way.
I
I
guess
I
I'd
like
to
know
how
many
are
we
looking
at
that
this
is
going
to
help
and
remember
we
are
going
to
have
a
property
maintenance
code,
hopefully,
by
the
end
of
the
year,
that's
going
to
go
to
all
single-family
homes
and
in
all
properties
in
the
city
of
des
moines,
correct.
We're
still
that
that's
still
our
goal
right.
Scott.
I
But
going
to
my
first
question
I'll,
let
you
answer
that
I
mean
how
many
are
we
looking
at
that
linda's
talking
about
it
sounds
like
she's
had
some
experience
with
that.
F
I
don't
know
the
exact
number.
I
do
know
that
the
area
king
isn't
king
or
one
of
those
streets
that
has
a
lot
of
problems
because
of
the
number
of
rental
units.
When
we
went
kind
of
through
the
street
face,
we
found
that
a
fair
number
of
them
were
also
nuclear
family
that
were
causing
problems
in
that
particular
neighborhood.
K
Yeah-
and
I
I
know
that
you
know
I
have
residents,
call
me
and
when
I,
when
I
send
it
over
to
zoning,
I'm
told
well
it's
you
know
we're
told
that
it's
a
sister
or
a
son
that
lives
there,
but
the
neighbors
say
wait
a
minute.
That's
that's
not
really
a
relative.
I
mean
what
are
we?
What
are
we
doing
to
to
me?
It's
just
a
way
to
get
out
of
having
a
rental
inspection.
F
I
don't
know
to
the
extent
I
mean
some
of
them
are
very
well
maintained.
You
know
they
they
buy
them
as
an
investment
property
and
and
let
their
daughter
live.
Their
son
live
there
and
they're
they're,
maintaining
it
just
as
any
other
owner
occupant
would.
But
there
are
some
who
don't
and
I
don't
know
the
percentages
I
I
can
certainly
come
up
with
the
number
of
nuclear
families
in
the
in
the
city.
I
can
probably
get
a
scatter
map
so
that
you
can
see
where
they're
located.
C
K
And
it's
it's
better
for
the
neighborhoods
I
mean
again.
My
concern
is,
is
what
I,
what
do
our
neighborhoods
look
like,
and
we
have
seems
to
me
that
we
have
quite
a
few
homes
that
are
not
being
taken
care
of
that
are
rentals,
which
I
mean
even
when
I
give
you
information
about
a
rental.
It
takes
two
weeks,
and
you
know
it
doesn't.
It
seems
like
the
wheels
move
slowly.
K
F
And
that's
absolutely
true:
when
we
we
have
issued
a
notice,
we
did
get
him
to
admit
that
he
was
doing
auto
repair
for
his
uncle
again
we're
kind
of
getting
off
topic.
K
Yeah,
that's
off
topic
yeah,
but
I
mean
have
we
have.
We
asked
count
because
nobody
ever
asked
me
about
about
whether
we
wanted
to
have
rental
rental
certificates
for
for
nuclear
families.
So
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
how
that
decision
was
made.
Maybe
there
aren't
four
votes,
I
don't
know,
but
nobody
I
mean
this
comes
as
a
surprise
to
me
to
learn
that
we're
not
going
to
make
family
members
have
a
rental.
F
J
H
Yeah,
I
was
just
gonna
say
I
think
that
was
one
thing
I
didn't
answer
to
when
you're
asking
us
about.
I
would
say
that
I
think
everybody,
whether
it's
family
or
not,
to
streamline
it.
If
you
are
renting
your
a
house
apartment
or
whatever,
whether
it's
family
or
not,
you
should
have
a
rental
certificate.
It
would
just
streamline
it
because
to
linda's
point
it
could
be
a
cousin.
Who
knows
you
guys
don't
have
time
to
verify.
H
F
I
I
you
know
I
understand
where
london
county's
coming
from
and
you
I
I
just
I'm
not
going
to
make
that
decision
right
now,
because
some
of
the
properties
that
I've
dealt
with
are
on
the
other
side
of
the
spectrum,
where
you
know
they've
they've
bought
it
for
their
daughter
to
live
in
and
they
fixed
it
up
and
put
it
put
a
bunch
of
money
into
it,
and
you
know
they
just
there's,
there's
many
more
things
you
have
to
do
if
it's
just
a
home
to
to
become
a
rental
and
it
costs
thousands
of
dollars,
and
so
we'll
just
have
to
take
a
look
at
it.
B
G
I
just
have
one
other
thing
is:
if
we're
gonna
have
more
conversation
on
the
the
nuclear
family
piece,
I'd
appreciate,
hearing
from
monisha
as
our
equity
coordinator
on
potential
impacts
of
a
change
there
as
well.
F
F
Okay,
noise
control,
so
the
reason
for
the
change
we,
when
we
did
the
zoning
code
change
in
2019,
it
returned
tired,
all
retired
all
then
existing
zoning
districts
and
the
zoning
districts
at
that
time
were
used
to
determine
where
sound
permits
could
be
issued,
for
instance,
type
a
and
g
in
downtown
zoning
districts.
F
So,
instead
of
using
the
zoning
districts,
the
idea
is
to
use
sort
of
mapping
areas
so
that
we
can
decide
where
noise
control
permits
are
going
to
be
issued.
One
zone
one
would
be
the
wells
fargo
arena
area
I
would
allow
concerts
in
and
around
like
in
the
parking
lots
and
a
street
closure
like
they're
going
to
do
for
the
skating
event.
F
F
F
F
When
we
move
over
to
east
village,
east
village
has
different
noise
control
concerns,
and
so
we
will
treat
this
a
little
because
we're
suggesting
that
we
treat
this
a
little
bit
differently
so
zone
4
is
a
noise
control
area.
It
goes
from
des
moines
street
over
and
then
down
to
court
in
the
noise
control
area
would
be
a
limit
on
the
type
limited
type
e
permit
on
the
patio.
F
F
So
this
would
be
peace
tree
ajs,
some
of
those
patios
that
are
not
next
to
or
adjacent
to
residential
again,
the
type
g
permit
would
allow
live
music
with
street
closures
and
again
in
in
this
area,
the
sound
permits
would
end
at
10
p.m.
I
see
council
member
gatto
has
his
hand
up
yeah.
I
Suanne
with
the
with
the
new
market
district
coming
and
the
mid-america
park
that
we're
we're
looking
at
maybe
moving
some
of
the
street
closures
and
things
that's
in
the
western
gateway.
When
this
is
finished,
maybe
that
would
be
moved
down
there
and
be
able
to
have
live
music
will
we
include
that
now,
with
with
how
the
western
gateway
is
going
to
be
set
up,
that
that
particular
park.
F
No,
I
did
not
want
to
do
an
overlay
or
a
zone
in
the
in
the
market
district
until
we
knew
sort
of
what
kind
of
music
was
wanted
over
there,
and
so
I
anticipate
that
when
they
get
closer
to
deciding
what
events
they
want
to
have,
that
will
probably
have
a
zone
specific
to
them.
That
may
be
different
than
the
east
village.
J
Thank
you
mayor.
I
know
we
had
this
discussion
in
the
past
about
permits
per
month.
We
didn't
make
any,
or
did
we
make
any
accommodation
for
months
that
have
five
weekends
next
month
may,
for
example,
we
have
five
weekends.
J
F
Okay,
we
did
treat
the
botanical
center
in
a
similar
fashion
to
britain's
skating
and
some
other
events.
I
did
reach
out
to
them
and
talk
talk
to
them
about
it
and
they
they
have
no
problem
with
with
being
treated
the
same
as
some
other
event.
Centers
then
there's
the
city-wide
street
closure
events.
F
I
started
thinking
about
beaverdale,
fest
and
ingersoll,
and
some
other
street
closures
that
are
prohibited
under
the
current
language
of
the
code
and
we
could
amend
it
to
allow
street
closures
city-wide
having
the
same
ban
band
ability
as
sort
of
the
downtown.
So
if
drake,
for
instance,
wanted
to
do
an
event
and
close
the
street,
they
could
have
a
band
on
the
street.
Southwest
ninth
occasionally
has
street
closures
with
events.
This
would
allow
them
to
have
a
band.
E
Well,
thank
you
mayor
county
suanne.
Could
you
go
back
to
one
of
the
east
village
maps,
I'm
just
thinking
about
the
breton
skating
plaza,
let's
see
so
that's
on
grand
and.
B
J
Thanks
again,
mary
this
one's
a
little
bit
off
the
subject,
but
speaking
of
noise
in
the
neighborhood,
I
know
we
kind
of
abandoned
looking
at
like
roosters
and
chickens
in
backyards.
I've
got
one
on
your
desk
right
now
over
on
payne
avenue
of
roosters
at
all
hours
and
probably
all
hours
of
the
day
going
off.
Are
we
going
to
look
at
that
again.
F
We
did
start
looking
at
that
several
years
ago.
It's
probably
been
five
now
and
it
I
don't
know
why
it
dropped
off
our
radar
or,
if
council,
just
I,
I
really
don't
know
I
was
in.
I
was
in
a
couple
meetings
on
it.
There
were
strong
feelings
from
the
community
that
owns
and
raises
chickens
about
the
rooster
prohibition.
B
K
Thank
you.
I
would
support
bill
in
that
effort
to
ban
roosters
and
I
clearly
remember
when
it
was
brought
forward
and
we
had
a
couple
of
urban
farmers
that
showed
up
and
said.
No,
we
won
our
roosters
and
you
know
they
pretty
much
filled
the
council
chamber
and
again
it
was.
You
know
the
voices
of
the
minority,
because
I
can
tell
you
that
the
residents
that
live
in
in
ward
2,
that
I
hear
from
are
real
tired
of
hearing
roosters
day
and
night
and
you
don't
need
a
rooster
to
get
eggs.
K
J
J
That
would
include
the
would
that
still
include
the
10
permits
for
months
that
have
five
weekends
in
it.
J
B
All
right,
schwen,
scott,
any
closing
thoughts.
D
None
for
me,
we
really
appreciate
the
input
from
council.
This
gives
us
direction
on
all
three
topics.
B
All
right,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
bringing
us
up
to
date.
We've
got
a
busy
schedule
today
and
jeff
you're
on
are.
We
gonna
have
a
closed
session
today.
B
All
right
well,
thank
you
all
for
attending
and
council
members
we'll
get
back
together,
reconvene
at
3
45..
Until
then,
this
meeting.