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From YouTube: 5-6-21 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, May 6, 2021.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
Okay,
I'm
ready
welcome
to
the
may,
8th
or
may
6th
meeting
of
the
plan
and
zoning
commission.
I
will
read
the
meeting
up
rules
and
procedures.
The
plan
and
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plats.
Unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
A
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
at
515-689-9485
for
details
on
council
hearings.
Applicants
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request.
If
applicants
wish
to
share
materials
not
already
submitted
with
the
application,
please
email
them
to
planning
dmgob.org,
so
a
staff
host
may
be
able
to
share
them
on
the
screen.
A
When
you
present
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes,
staff
has
attempted
to
compile
a
list
of
people
who
would
like
to
speak
on
each
item.
Staff
will
first
call
on
these
people
and
then
will
open
it
up
to
anyone
else.
Who
wishes
to
speak
to
request
to
speak
during
the
hearing?
A
A
Also,
we
ask
that
you
keep
your
microphones
and
phones
on
mute
unless
you've
been
given
the
chance
to
address
the
commission
by
the
chair
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
If
any
opponent
spoke.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
A
Items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval
in
accordance
with
a
recommendation
in
the
staff
report.
Unless
an
individual
present
or
a
member
of
the
commission
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda.
A
The
city
of
des
moines
is
pleased
to
provide
accommodations
to
individuals
or
groups
with
disabilities
and
encourages
participation
in
city
government.
Please
know
that
typical
accommodations
may
be
limited
by
emergency
requirements,
as
issued
by
the
state
of
iowa
and
the
city
of
des
moines
and
tyler
is
going
to
take
roll
call.
C
B
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E
A
We
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
april
15th
meeting
dory.
This
is
carolyn,
I'm
going
to
approve
move
to
approve.
Thank
you.
Carolyn.
F
C
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B
C
A
A
H
Hold
on,
we
do
have
a
gentleman,
it's
raised
his
hand.
Let
me
just
confirm
that
he's
here
to
talk
on
item
11.
H
Jim
go
ahead
and
emu
yourself,
and
just
let
us
know
if
you
were
here
to
speak
in
opposition
to
item
11.
I
No,
I'm
here
representing
the
applicant.
H
Okay,
so
we're
recommending
approval
with
no
conditions,
so
we
thought
it
could
move
to
consent
since
there
wasn't
any
opposition.
Is
that?
Are
you
okay
with
that?
I'm
fine
with
that?
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you.
B
E
G
C
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C
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G
C
F
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
will
read
through
the
other
items
that
are
on
the
consent
agenda
item
number.
One
is
a
request
from
tk
development
llc
for
review
and
approval
of
a
third
amendment
to
the
preliminary
plat
southwoods
estates
on
property
in
the
vicinity
of
5730
rose
avenue
to
provide
for
a
final
plat
3.
That
would
have
19
development
lots.
H
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
are
there
any
members
of
the
commission
that
would
like
to
hear
this
item.
A
A
H
Roger
if
this
is
jason
with
staff,
could
you
meet
yourself
and
just
confirm
you're
here,
just
you're
here
to
speak
on
items.
H
H
A
Item
number
three
is
city-initiated
request
for
the
vacation
of
the
following
segments
of
street
and
alley
right-of-way
in
the
vicinity
of
southeast
astor
street
and
shaw
street
and
the
vicinity
of
southeast
16th
street
and
vale
street
to
assemble
land
for
the
municipal
services
center
phase
2
project
there.
Anyone
from
the
public
who
wishes
to
have
this
item
remove
come
from
consent
to
be
discussed
this
evening.
H
Chair,
I
see
a
hand
raised
dell
jones.
I
believe
he
maybe
owns
land
in
the
area.
I'll
dale
go
ahead
and
just
confirm
you're
here
to
speak
in
opposition
to
item
three.
H
K
Well,
I
don't
want
to
I
want
to
see
if
I
can
get
it
continuously
on
this
to
communicate
with
some
city
officials
what
they're
doing
on
this
property.
H
H
Okay,
can
we
have
that's
not
really
what
the
commission
is
they're
just
determining
whether
or
not
the
land
the
this,
these
undeveloped
right-of-ways
are
needed
for
street
right
away
or
alleys
anymore
they're
not
here
to
decide
who
buys
what
do
you
we
can?
We
can
discuss
the
item.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you
understood
what
the
commission's
purview
was
as.
K
H
A
Okay,
then
we
will
leave
item
number
four
on
consent
and
item
number.
Five
is
a
request
from
jeffrey
hayes
and
susan
crowley
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
for
property
located
at
1049
38th
street
sir.
Anyone
from
the
public
who
wishes
to
have
this
item
pulled
from
consent
and
discussed.
A
Okay,
anyone
on
the
commission
wish
to
have
it
pulled
from
consent.
A
A
A
A
Okay,
item
number
seven
will
remain
on
the
consent.
Item
number
eight
is
a
request
from
mercy.
One
medical
center
des
moines
for
review
and
approval
of
a
pud
final
development
plan
mercy,
one
richard
deming
cancer
center
on
property
located
at
411
laurel
street
to
allow
a
new,
drop-off,
drive
and
canopy
are:
is
there
anyone
from
the
public
that
would
like
to
hear
item
eight?
This.
A
B
All
right,
abby,
chunga.
C
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C
C
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C
E
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We're
now
ready
for
the
public
hearing
portion
of
the
evening.
J
Yes,
madam
chair
eric
londy
senior
city,
planner
jerry's
homes
is
following
up
with
a
preliminary
platt
based
on
the
recently
approved
pud
conceptual
plan
amendment
the
commission
saw
earlier
this
year.
J
The
property
is
the
property
in
gold
shown
there.
The
center
portion,
which
is
the
regional
basin,
is
actually
property
owned
by
the
city
but
they're
looking
to
plat
land
on
on
either
side
of
the
basin.
J
J
J
17
lots
up
in
this
area
and
another
22
lots
here
for
a
total
of
I'm
sorry,
not
not
22,
here,
19
here
and
then
three
more
here
for
a
total
of
39.
J
J
J
J
J
J
Staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
preliminary
plat
subject
to
the
two
conditions
that
you
see
there
on
the
staff
recommendation,
compliance
with
all
comments
of
the
administrative
review.
We
did
want
an
additional
comment
that
they
would
future
street
trees,
be
provided
on
the
east
army
post
road
area.
For
the
three
lots
on
the
south
end,
they
would
they
would
be
installed
at
those
at
the
time.
J
We
did
not
get
comment
cards
from
the
adjoining
property,
we
didn't
send
comment
cards,
but
we
didn't
get
any
written
communication
regarding
this
from
anybody
within
the
250
foot
notification.
A
J
L
Yeah,
this
is
james
collins,
with
jerry's
homes,
3
900,
west
town,
parkway,
west
des
moines.
We
have
no
comments
and-
and
we
will
be
addressing
staff's
comments
accordingly,
and
so
we
have
have
no
issues.
A
So
at
this
time
are
there
any
other
speakers
who
wish
to
speak
in
support
of
this.
A
A
Do
we
see
any
hands-raised
staff.
H
A
Okay,
if
not,
then
are
there
any
speakers
who
wish
to
speak
in
opposition
to
this
request
and
I
believe
it
was
rather
roger
hall.
I
J
J
He's
referencing
the
conceptual
plan
document,
so
I'm
trying
to
see.
J
The
amendment
I
know
that
this
was
brought
up
by
the
owner
at
the
conceptual
plan
stage,
but
the
plat
wouldn't
necessarily
have
that.
I
guess
I
would
ask
if
the
developer
is,
is
addressing
that
with
the
with
their
project.
H
J
Yeah
she's
the
engineer
she
can
speak
to
it
if
she,
if
she
wants
to,
if
she's
ready
she
can
unmute.
J
Oh
okay,
maybe
james
wants
to
wait
till
the
rebuttal
that
that
makes
sense
so
going
back
to
the
platte
document
so
that
every
the
property-
that's
in
question
is
this
property.
J
If
they
believe
they're
not
getting
the
access
to
the
utilities
that
they
are
wanting
at
this
point,
it
looks
like
there's
an
easement
here,
I'm
trying
to
find
the
utility
plan
here.
J
So
I
guess
I'm
I'm
interested
in
what
roger's
expecting,
if
it's,
if
it's
the
improvements
that
he
negotiated
with
the
developer,
that
may
not
be
enforceable
with
our
with
our
plat
here
they're,
showing
it
in
the
plat
that
it's
provided
for
in
terms
of
the
service
connection
to
the
home,
or
something
that
that's
probably
a
private
negotiation.
J
At
this
point,
maybe
the
applicant
can
speak
to
that
as
well,
and
and
perhaps
roger
can
expand
on
what
his
expectation
is.
A
So
roger,
do
you
have
any
other
comments
or
questions
before
we
turn
it
over
for
the
applicant's
rebuttal.
A
L
L
I
don't
know
2003,
maybe,
but
since
then,
there's
been
changes
made
in
the
the
current
approved
pud
shows
us
providing
the
sanitary
sewer
to
the
property
and,
I
believe,
providing
a
15-foot
stub
into
the
property.
So
the
property
owner
can
connect
to
it
without.
J
Property
so,
madam
chair,
this
is
eric
lendy,
the
the
conceptual
plan,
the
original
one
was
enforceable
as
it
was
approved,
but
then
this,
the
more
recent
amendment
is
that
is
the
superseding
document.
They're
both
considered
the
conceptual
plan
one's
the
amendment
to
the
conceptual
plan.
There
was
an
amendment,
the
previous.
It
actually
wasn't
the
original
amendment
that
was
dealing
with
this
property.
J
There
was
an
amendment
that
allowed
this
part
parcel
to
be
carved
out
and
and
remain
with
the
existing
house,
and
so
I
think
the
language
that
mr
hall
is
referencing
was
based
on
that
allowance
for
that
house
to
be
kept
out
of
the
original,
approved,
pud
and
part
of
that
was
to
make
sure
it
was
served
by
public
access
to
sanitary
sewer
that
was
going
to
be
included
with
this
development.
J
I
don't
believe
there
was
any
assurance
that
that
would
connect
the
home,
but
providing
it
to
the
property.
So
so
the
home
could
be
connected
with
the
that
would
be
the
normal
action.
J
H
I
also
just
would
piggyback
on
what
eric
said
that
you
know
it's
typical,
that
the
developer
extends
infrastructure
to
the
end
of
their
development.
In
this
case.
That's
that
property
line,
so
it
would
be
atypical
to
have
a
developer
actually
hook
all
the
house
completely
up
to
the
the
service
and
provide
you
know,
take
on
the
liability
of
connecting
to
their
actual
house
and
severing
their
septic
and
those
sorts
of
things.
That'd
be
unusual.
A
A
Okay,
so
I
think
we
could
close
the
public
hearing
at
this
time
and
ask
time
for
the
commissioners
to.
A
E
B
Sorry
missing
my
paper.
E
B
Okay,
lisa
howard.
C
G
K
C
C
C
C
C
H
H
This
area
over
here
has
a
site
plan,
that's
been
approved,
and
this
is
a
auxiliary
to
it.
For
a
phase
two
of
the
municipal
service
center,
getting
more
of
our
facilities,
parks
public
works,
getting
it
all
in
one
house,
the
commission
actually
saw
a
site
plan
for
the
building
in
this
general
area
and
then
some
parking
here
and
some
activity
around
this
part
of
it
in.
I
think
it
was
about
a
year
ago,
and
this
is
just
the
continuation
of
that
project.
H
It's
another
graphic
outlining
right
away
staff
report.
You
know
when
we
get
these
vacation
requests.
You
know
most
of
the
time
our
focus
is
on
access
and
impacts
to
traffic,
and
so
in
the
staff
report
there
that's
what
we
focused
on.
We
don't
believe
the
area
is
needed
for
circulation,
it's
not
used
currently
and
that,
as
I
mentioned,
the
only
properties
that
are
dependent
upon
it
for
access
as
they're
only
accessed
or
controlled
by
the
city.
A
If
not,
we
did
have,
I
think
it
was
dale
jones
who
wanted
to
speak.
Was
it
in
opposition
or.
M
G
E
E
M
I
H
A
H
H
Dell
dale
use
the
star9
on
your
phone
and
now
let
us
know
which
phone
number
is
yours
all
right
here
we
go
dale
now
you'll
need
to
use
star
six
on
your
phone
to
unmute
yourself,
and
then
you
should
be
able
to
speak.
H
Are
you
there
dale?
Okay,
you
hear
me
now.
Yes,
excellent,
just
give
us
for
the
record.
Give
us
your
name
and
address.
Please.
M
M
I
I
don't
know
if
I
can
request
this
thing
to
be
continued
to
a
different
date,
so
me
and
my
attorney
can
communicate
with
city
officials
and
try
to
see
if
there's
a
way
that
I
can
do
this
without
having
to
request
every
time.
I
want
to
mow
my
grass
or
clean
along
my
fence
or
fix
parts
of
my
fence
to
make
things
a
little
bit
easier
on
me
too,
and
still
be
able
to
keep
a
clean
and
a
good
good
place
to
see.
You
know.
H
You
know,
I
think,
there's
a
couple
options
before
the
commission.
If
the
commission
would
like
to
be,
you
know,
involved
and
see
how
it
plays
out.
You
certainly
could
continue
the
request
and
we
could
come
back
and
report
back
to
you.
You
could
also
approve
it
and,
if
you
felt
like
that
was
a
record
excuse
me
move
forward
with
making
your
recommendation
to
the
city
council
and,
as
part
of
that,
you
could,
if
you
were
concerned
by
what's
been
shared,
that
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
You
could
make
that
part
of
your
recommendation.
H
It
could
be
as
simple
as
just
a
recommended
condition
that
the
you
know
the
applicant
work
with
the
neighbor
to
provide
ensure
that
he
has
adequate
access
for
maintenance
of
his
fence.
It
could
be
something
along
those
lines
if,
if
the
commission
wasn't
inclined
to
leave
it
in
staff's
hands,
you
could
just
move
forward
with
the
staff
recommendation
and
we
could
forward
the
concern
to
the
you
know:
the
real
estate
division,
engineering
and
they're,
the
ones
that
negotiate
land
round
transactions.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
jason
for
giving
those
options
sure.
Well,
I
think.
A
M
M
You
know
I
just
I
don't
understand
that
you
know
the
city
not
at
least
maybe
trying
to
work
something
out
at
least
given
me
half
of
that
alley
to
help
maintain
my
property
that
you
know
it's,
it's
not
been
used
in
over
30
years.
Now,
as
it
is,
you
know,
I've
tried
to
keep
it
looking
good
all
my
years,
I've
been
here,
so
I
I'd
like
to
see
something
happen
in
that
effect,
where
I
don't
have
to
have
an
insurance
policy
just
to
cover
me
to
go
over
there
and
work
on
city
property.
A
Well,
thank
you
dale.
I
think
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing
now
and
commissioners
time
for
you
to
discuss
and
share
your
thoughts.
F
Madam
chair,
this
is,
will
page,
I
have
a
question
of
jason
jason.
Is
there
time
value
in
terms
of
this?
This
vacation.
H
J
M
J
H
Well,
that's
that's
helpful
eric.
I
think.
Keeping
that
in
mind
that
mind
will.
I
would
suggest
that
it.
It
would
be
good
for
it
to
move
forward,
but
if
the
commission
wanted
staff
to
make
sure
that
we
addressed
his
dale's
concerns,
I
would
just
put
something
in
your
motion.
F
I
I
would
prefer
quite
frankly,
to
give
mr
jones
the
chance
to
work
with
the
city
on
this,
so
he
feels
comfortable
about
it.
He's
been
a
long
landowner
here
for
a
long
long
time
as
a
property
owner
myself.
I
would
have
some
concern
actually
about
working
on
on
city
property,
so
I
would
move
to
continue
the
item.
E
F
A
Okay,
there's
a
motion
to
continue
this
item
to
the
next
meeting.
Could
we
have
a
vote.
B
All
right
will
page
yes,
johnny
elsevier.
E
C
C
C
E
C
A
N
Avenue,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
bert
drost
planning
staff
for
the
city
of
des
moines.
The
request
would
allow
for
the
10th
amendment
to
the
riverwoods
pud.
The
riverwoods
pud
is
located
on
the
city's
southeast
side
to
the
east
of
southeast
22nd
street
and
just
to
the
south
of
hartford
avenue.
N
N
This
proposed
development
would
only
temporarily
disrupt
a
trail.
Spur
that's
located
right
here.
The
amendment
that's
being
considered
tonight
would
essentially
allow
for
development
of
22
lots
within
this
area
right
here.
So
when
I
show
you
their
plans,
you'll
see
that
the
trail
spine
itself
is
remaining
completely
intact.
N
So
the
first
I'll
show
you
the
pud
conceptual
plan.
That's
on
the
books
right
now.
This
dates
back
to,
I
believe
2003
was
the
last
time
there
was
a
major
amendment
to
it.
As
you
can
see,
there's
this
approved
plan
shows
a
north-south
connection
through
the
eastern
portion
of
the
property.
N
Well,
since
this
time,
the
developer
hubble
has
dedicated
most
of
this
land
in
this
area
to
the
city,
so
it's
unlikely
that
this
road
would
ever
punch
through
and
then
with
this
proposed
plot,
which
would
be
the
final
build
out
of
this
beauty.
N
N
N
This
sketch
here
really
provides
the
best
and
the
most
clear
picture
of
what
would
occur.
So
you
can
see.
There's
two
cul-de-sacs
here
with
a
total
of
the
22
lots.
You
can
see
the
carl
vos
trail
here
would
remain
intact
and
the
trail
spur
right
now.
It
goes
from
the
karl
voss
trail
to
the
end
or
the
terminus
of
river
ridge
road.
N
So,
as
I
mentioned,
hubble
was
using
this
opportunity
to
introduce
eight
new
housing
types
into
this
conceptual
plan
in
actuality.
These
are
the
houses
that
they're
currently
building
in
the
phases
that
are
under
construction
right
now,
so
this
is
more
or
less
just
memorializing.
What
is
getting
built
there
now
I'll
show
you
some
photos
of
the.
N
N
The
east
end.
This
is
the
other
coldest
or
the
other
stuff
right
now
that
would
be
extended
to
have
a
cul-de-sac
bulb
it's
just
further.
Back
again,
this
is
looking
down
the
river
ridge
road.
At
the
trail,
you
can
see,
there's
already
a
wide
trail
on
the
wider
than
average
sidewalk
on
the
north
side
and
there's
a
condition
that
would
require
this,
the
sidewalk
on
the
north
side
of
the
street
to
be
wide.
N
So
essentially,
there
would
still
be
a
trail
connection
from
this
point
to
the
carl
vos
trail
and
then,
as
I
mentioned,
the
houses
that
are
on
the
conceptual
plan
being
proposed
at
this
time
are
really
the
houses
that
are
getting
built
today.
So
I
thought
this
was
a
good
example
that
shows
several
of
the
recently
constructed
houses
and
how
they're
more
in
line
with
the
elevations
on
this
10th
amendment
than
on
what
was
on
the
plan
from
back
in
2003.
N
So
just
go
through
our
staff
recommendation
quickly.
We
did
recommend
a
series
of
conditions
related
to
the
trail
system,
so
the
first
condition
is
just
compliance
with
the
tree,
removal
and
mitigation
ordinance
and
then
conditions.
I
believe
two
through
11
really
deal
with
the
trail,
it's
just
to
ensure
that
we
get
the
adequate
easements
for
it
and
that
it's
designed
so
so
that
the
development's
designed
so
it's
storm
water
basin
doesn't
cause
any
erosion
concerns
and
there's
a
condition
in
there
that
deals
with
what's
required.
N
When
that
trail
spur
is
temporarily
closed
and
then
number
12
is
the
condition
dealing
with
the
building
elevations.
N
These
are
just
the
basic
conditions
that
we've
applied
to
most
pods,
just
one
that
the
how
that
the
same
house
shall
not
be
built
on
adjoining
lots.
Any
household
minimum
two
car
attached
garage,
the
any
house
should
then
generally
match
the
character
elevations
in
the
pud,
a
d
that
they
have
to
have
architectural
type,
shingles
or
cedar,
shakes
just
no
standard
three
tab.
Shingles
e
any
house
has
to
have
at
least
1200
square
feet
of
area
in
f
condition
on
the
building
materials.
N
So
this
is
the
letter
that
the
developer
sent
out
to
the
neighbors
for
their
neighborhood
outreach
and
then
they
submitted
their
summary
of
the
emails
and
concerns
that
they
had
heard
from
the
neighbors
and
again,
a
lot
of
the
concerns
dealt
with
people
worried
about
the
trail
closing
and
here's
an
email.
I
got,
we
got
from
the
riverwoods
neighborhood
association,
you
can
read
it,
but
the
gist
is
they
expressed
some
concerns,
but
they
didn't
take
a
formal
position
on
the
project.
N
N
N
D
N
N
C
H
As
bird
finishes
scrolling,
this
is
jason
vanessa
and
staff.
I
I
think
just
a
couple
observations.
Like
burt
noted
there
was
concern
about
the
the
impact
to
the
trail,
but
also
too,
I
think,
there's
you
know
it's
it's
customary
or
fairly
normal,
that
in
a
neighborhood
that
develops
slowly
over
time
that
those
that
maybe
haven't
seen
the
full
plan
don't
understand
that
some
areas
that
look
undeveloped
now
have
have
had
rights
already
granted
for
development.
H
You
know
in
this
case
you
know,
I
think
you
saw
several
cards
in
there
where
folks
were
would
rather
it
stay
as
it
is
today,
but
the
reality
is:
is
the
beauty
conceptual
plan
as
it
is
today,
you
know
contemplated
a
road
coming
through
those
trees
and
more
of
those
trees
being
eliminated
to
facilitate
lots.
H
So
I
think
a
lot,
although
it's
maybe
not
a
position
to
leave
it
as
it
is
today.
I
think
a
lot
has
been
done
to
preserve
woodlands
in
this
particular.
A
Thank
you,
bert
is
the
applicant
ready
to
present.
Please
state
your
name
and
address.
N
All
right
eric
bonenkamp,
you
should
have
the
floor.
P
Hi,
this
is
eric
bonenkamp
with
hubble
realty
company
6900,
west
town
parkway
west
des
moines.
I'm
not
really
here
to
present
anything
tonight,
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
staff
or
any
residents
may
have.
I
would
just
like
it
noted
that,
yes,
this
is
a
pud
amendment,
but
the
reason
for
going
through
this
is
to
amend
that
that
master
plan
to
amend
the
design
and
the
road
layouts
we
did.
We
did
work
with
staff
a
number
of
years
ago
to
donate.
P
P
A
Use
and,
and
you
were
in
agreement
with
all
the
staff
recommendations.
P
A
Okay,
are
there
any
other
speakers
to
speak
in
support
of
this.
A
A
A
Then
do
we
have
any
other
questions
for
staff
at
this
time.
A
A
If
not,
we'll
call
for
the
vote.
B
C
C
K
C
C
C
C
A
Thank
you,
tyler.
Okay,
we
have
two
items
remaining
item,
number
10
and
12
item
number.
12
is
a
request
from
menard
inc
for
the
following
regarding
property
located
at
6000,
southeast
14th
street
5907-5911,
5917,
southeast
8th
street
and
801
heart
avenue.
N
Everything
along
the
southeast
14th
corridor
has
that
dash
v
designation
anyway,
like
I
said
at
the
time
last
fall,
menards
was
looking
to
expand
a
larger
area
where
they
would
require
the
demolition
of
four
houses
here,
so
they
had
actually
purchased
all
four
of
these
houses,
but
now
they're
further
along
in
their
planning
process,
and
they
realize
they
only
need
to
demolish
two
of
the
houses.
N
So,
in
order
to
have
residential
uses
be
reestablished
on
these
two
areas:
they
need
to
rezone
them
back
from
cxv
to
the
n3a
district
and
then,
since
they
were
going
through
this
rezoning
process,
they
also
wanted
to
take
this
opportunity
to
see
if
the
commission
would
be
willing
to
waive
one
or
two
of
the
zoning
conditions
that
were
applied
to
the
entire
site
last
year.
N
So
the
rezoning
of
those
two
lots
back
to
the
n3a
district
required
the
land
use
plan
to
be
amended
from
the
commercial
designation
to
a
low
density
residential
district.
So
again
it's
these
two
lots
and
the
this
northern
one
matches
the
existing
boundaries.
The
southern
one
would
be
a
new.
They
would
re-plat
this
lot
to
shift
the
property
lines.
N
N
I
guess
revised
so
that
they're
no
longer
held
to
the
large-scale
development
plan
that
was
proposed
last
year,
so
I'll
be
showing
you
the
revised
plan
here
shortly
and
number
condition.
Number
seven
was
also
prop.
I'm
sorry
condition
number
five
that
is
was
also
problematic
for
them.
Staff
had
recommended
that
any
commercial
use
of
the
property
shall
be
in
performance
with
an
approved
site
plan
that
demonstrates
that
the
entire
site
is
in
conformance
with
current
landscape
standards.
N
At
the
time,
menards
didn't
really
understand
the.
I
guess
this
significance
of
that
condition,
so
they
didn't
oppose
it,
but
they
later
realized
that
the
current
standards
require,
like
the
landscape
island,
every
eight
parking
spaces.
So
currently
they
only
have
landscape
islands
at
the
ends
of
the
road,
so
bringing
the
whole
site
into
compliance
with
the
current
standards
would
be
a
significant
investment
for
them.
N
And
I'll
let
in
order
to
address
any
other
conditions
that
they
have
concerns
with.
So
this
is
the
large-scale
development
plan
that
was
approved
by
the
commission
last
year.
It
showed
the
existing
setbacks
for
the
existing
storage,
but
then
it
also
showed
where
these
four
houses
would
be
removed
and
how
they
would
expand
into
this
area
here.
N
So
the
commission
can
see
what
they're
proposing
and,
as
I
mentioned,
menards
did
purchase
all
four
of
these
houses,
so
they
currently
own
these
two
houses.
I
my
understanding
is
that
they'd
be
looking
to
sell
these
after
they
get
the
site
redeveloped,
so
staff
does
realize.
Yes,
this
expansion
is
going
to
reduce
the
property
values
or
the
values
of
these
properties.
But,
right
now,
since
menards
is
the
property
owner,
it's
they're
really
hurting
themselves,
so
when
they
go
to
sell
them,
they'll
probably
get
less
than
they
could
have
otherwise
received.
N
N
So
that
would
no
longer
tie
them
to
the
previous
large-scale
development
plan.
Then
the
rest
of
the
conditions
would
the
staff's
recommending
would
remain
the
same.
That
was
applied
back
in
last
fall.
So
I
believe
the
main
discussion
tonight,
we'll
probably
center
on
condition,
number
five
to
deal
with
landscaping.
A
Well,
if
not
thank
you
very
much
is
the
applicant
here
to
present
this
evening.
Please
state
your
name
and
address,
and
you
have
10
minutes.
N
C
Q
Is
awesome,
nick
brenner,
real
estate
representative,
with
menards
5101
menard,
drive,
eau
claire
wisconsin,
don't
have
much
to
add.
I
think
you
know
with
all
the
changes
in
the
the
development
that
we've
done
on
the
site.
Since
we've
last
been
in
front
of
you,
we
have
had
the
determination
we
can
save
two
houses,
which
I
think
is
a
is
a
great
thing
for
the
neighborhood
and
for
the
area.
Q
We
are
planning
at
this
point
to
own
them
and
rent
them
out,
so
we
will
be
putting
in
some
investment
into
the
houses
to
fix
them
up.
Both
will
need
a
little
bit
of
a
facelift,
so
we're
looking
at
investing
some
money
in
that
and
fix
them
up
and
giving
some
people,
hopefully
a
nice
place
to
to
live
the
the
one
area
that
we
were
asking
for
some
leniency
on.
Since
the
last
time
around.
Q
As
mr
drost
stated,
was
the
parking
lot
landscaping
islands,
we
don't
have
an
issue
complying
with
most
of
the
landscape
requirements.
Today
we
have,
you
know,
agreed
and
have
no
issues,
meeting
the
increased
landscaping
that
we
have
done
to
the
north
and
to
the
west
to
buffer.
The
residential
that
has
always
been
something
that
we've
been
willing
to
do
with
the
amount
of
perimeter
landscaping
that
we
do
have.
Q
The
other
issue
that
we
have
too,
when
we
add
islands
in
like
this,
is
you
know
when
we
put
islands
in
with
a
new
store,
a
new
parking
lot.
We
put
irrigation
in
them,
but
how
do
you
run?
Irrigation
you'd
have
to
rip
up
even
more
of
the
parking
lot
and
the
inconvenience
that
our
are.
The
guests
would
have
it
here
and
obviously
there's
investment
component
to
it
as
well.
You
know
it
just
seems
to
be
overburdened
when
you
know
we
have
some
parking
lot.
Q
Islands
already
and
you
know
we'll
be
happy
to
provide
the
perimeter
landscaping
that
has
been
requested,
but
we
are
just
asking
for
some
leniency
on
the
parking
lot
aspect
of
this.
Just
because
of
everything
else.
We've
done
from
a
landscape
perspective
around
the
site.
E
A
F
N
N
If
you're,
I
don't
know
if
you
were
on
the
commission,
when
menards
did
their
expansion
here,
they
bought
out
the
white
cough
heating
and
cooling
that
was
here
and
then
expanded
to
the
north
and
at
that
time,
in
order
to
limit
impacts
on
these
houses
to
the
north,
the
commission
required
those
eight
evergreens
and
four
overstory
trees
here
to
provide
that
buffer.
N
N
So
so
you
can
see
in
their
parking
lot.
They
have
the
islands
at
the
ends
of
the
rows,
but-
and
they
have
some
cart
corrals
in
the
middle,
but
they
don't
have
any
other
landscape
islands
in
the
middle.
So
our
current
landscape
standards,
as
of
the
2019
update,
requires
one
landscape
island
every
eight
spaces.
H
And
this
is
jason.
I
just
want
to
jump
in
a
little
bit
there
and
bernie
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
the
way
the
condition
is
written.
It
still
allows
the
applicant
to
go
through
an
administrative
process
where
we
could
look
at
you
know
if
there's
any
practical
difficulties
in
complying.
H
You
know
we
recognize
that
you
can't
always
do
eight
in
a
row
perfectly,
so
there
would
be
that
process
available
during
the
site
plan
process.
The
importance
of
the
zoning
condition
really
is
to
make
sure
we
can
have
that
discussion
about
the
parking
lot.
It
doesn't
mean
that
you
have
to
flat
out
meet
that
every
eight
for
sure.
It's
just
gets
us
talking.
C
C
C
C
C
E
E
A
Thank
you,
tyler
we're
ready
now
for
the
final
item
of
the
evening
item
number
12,
which
is
request:
a
request
from
wesley
retirement
services,
inc
for
review
and
approval
of
a
pud
final
development
plan,
wesley
acre
site
improvement
plan
on
property
located
at
3520
grand
avenue.
N
Yes,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
before
I
start
on
this
item,
I
see
morgan
bullen
is
in
the
attendees
list.
She
would
have
been
the
applicant
for
number
11.,
so
I
just
wanted
to
let
her
know
that
number
11
was
approved
as
a
consent
item
in
accordance
with
the
staff
recommendation
at
the
start
of
the
meeting
tonight
so
morgan
might
have
joined
after
the
commission
took
that
action.
N
All
right
so
number
12
is
the
wesley
acres
site
plan.
If
you
remember
back
in
january,
the
commission
held
a
public
hearing
on
the
wesley
acres,
pud
conceptual
plan
amendment,
at
which
time
the
commission
put
several
conditions
on
that.
So
the
public
hearing
tonight
is
really
just
on
the
site
plan
and
reviewing
the
site
plan
against
that
conceptual
plan
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
conditions
imposed
have
been
addressed.
So
here
is
the
existing
wesley
acres
pud
boundaries
again
on
the
south
side
of
grand
avenue
just
to
the
east
of
37th.
N
Street
this
is
the
consent
plan,
the
concept
plan
that
was
approved
by
the
plan
of
zoning
commission
in
january
and
then
ultimately
city
council.
In
march.
N
Additions
in
this
area
right
here
initially,
they
were
wanting
to
expand
this
parking
lot
along
the
north
side
of
the
bolton
building
further
to
the
west
and
then
by
the
driveway
to
37th
street,
but
that
portion
of
the
property
or
project
was
scrapped
again.
N
And
these
are
the
elevations
that
were
approved.
Ultimately,
they
had
to
make
some
changes
to
the
milk
material,
and
then
they
had
to
lower
the
height
of
the
pool
edition
in
order
to
reduce
impacts
on
those
properties
to
the
west
and
the
elevations
that
they've
submitted
for
the
site
plan
match
these
perfectly.
N
N
N
The
next
couple
pages
are
really
zoomed
in
on
those
areas.
So
now
north
is
to
the
top.
So
this
is
the
front
lawn
along
grand
avenue.
They
would
have
a
landscape,
terrace
and
a
water
feature
here
along
grand
avenue.
Then
they
would
also
reconfigure
the
driveway
to
provide
a
turnaround
in
this
area.
Here.
N
And
this
is
a
zoomed
in
view
of
the
modifications
proposed,
or
that
would
be
on
the
west
side
of
the
site.
Again,
the
pool
and
the
auditorium
edition
are
in
this
area
and
they
would
be
realigning
the
parking
and
driveway
through
this
area
here
in
a
little
bit
I'll
show
you
the
landscaping
plan
that's
been
proposed
in
order
to
buffer
these
two
houses
to
the
west.
N
Another
area
of
concern
was
the
storm
water
basins
basin
at
the
south
end
of
the
site.
They
are
proposing
to
make
modifications
to
that
and
they
are
meeting
the
conditions
that
were
imposed
with
regards
to
the
maintenance
and
just
providing
certification
that
they
function
as
designed,
and
one
of
the
conditions
that
I
was
imposed
is
that
they
have
to
submit
an
annual
report
to
the
city
that
just
proves
that
the
stormwater
basins
are
functioning
as.
C
N
Is
the
colored
version
of
the
portion
of
the
property
that
abuts
these
two
houses
to
the
west?
I
had
asked
them
to
submit
this
just
to
prove
or
to
demonstrate
like
how
dense
their
landscaping
screen
would
be
along
this
area
so
for
analysis
purposes,
it's
385
feet
from
I
guess
or
I'm
sorry.
Let
me
check.
I
think
it
was
285.
N
So
staff
does
believe
that
it's
an
appropriate
mix
of
species
that
will
ensure
that
there
is
adequate
buffer
for
these
two
houses
here,
up
from
both
the
parking
and
from
these
32
foot
tall
building.
N
Editions
so
here
are
a
few
pictures.
I
took
some
photos
of
that
west
side
boundary
because
I
know
that's
the
area
most
of
concern
to
the
neighbors,
and
this
is
looking
at
that
corner,
so
they
would
be
adding
quite
a
few
trees
in
this
area
amongst
these
existing
trees,
and
this
is
looking
back
at
the
building
where
the
editions
would
go.
N
And
one
of
the
notes
number
six
was
any
new
parking
area,
shelby
landscaped,
with
the
buffer
being
reviewed
and
approved
by
the
plan
and
zoning
commission
during
the
development
site
plan
review.
This
requires
site
and
rear
buffer
plantings
to
lessen
the
impact
on
the
properties
really
that
gets
to
that
slide.
I
showed
you
in
color
that
shows
really
what
they
are,
that
they
are
going
above
and
beyond.
What
would
otherwise
be
required
for
the
buffer.
N
Plantings
so
when
all
said
and
done,
they
met
all
of
the
requirements.
The
staff
has
a
pretty
clean
recommendation.
We
just
recommended
approval,
subject
to
compliance
with
all
administrative
review
comments,
and
since
this
was
a
site
plan,
we
mail
out
public
notices,
but
we
don't
include
comment
cards
with
those
notices
because
since
it's
a
site
plan
without
the
neighbors
actually
physically
looking
at
the
site
plan,
it's
not
necessarily
fair
to
get
their
input.
N
A
O
O
Thank
you
chair.
This
is
darren
schlopp
with
wesley
life,
5508
northwest
88th
street
johnston
iowa.
I
don't
have
a
lot
more
to
add.
Beyond
what
bert
presented,
I
think
it
was
pretty
clear
that
you
know
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
to
make
sure
that
we
not
only
meet
but
exceed
a
lot
of
the
recommendations
and
requests
of
everyone.
That's
been
involved
in
the
early
stages
of
this
project.
O
I
have
had
some
conversations
since
our
city
council
approval
with
kevin
mcphee
who's,
one
of
the
adjacent
property
owners
talking
through
our
landscape
plan,
which
was
the
color
plan
that
you
guys
had
an
opportunity
to
look
at
and
that
burp
presented
and
a
good
dialogue
on
that
really
talking
about
timing
of
when
these
plantings
might
happen
and
so
on,
but
no
significant
changes
to
that
other
than
the
placement
of
maybe
a
tree
or
two,
which
I
was
able
to
assure
him
that
when
we
get
to
that
point,
we
will
definitely
do
that
collaboratively
with
him.
O
Scott
carlson
is
the
other
property
owner
here
and,
while
we've
connected
via
email,
my
rather
challenging
schedule
has
not
allowed
us
to
get
together.
So
I
do
plan
on
doing
that
and
making
sure
that
I
go
through
the
same
exercise
with
him
and
make
sure
that
we're
meeting
or
exceeding
his
expectations
with
these
plantings
and
the
placements
of
those
when
we
get
to
that
point.
O
As
for
the
rest
of
the
plan,
I
don't
think
I
have
anything
else
to
present
beyond
what
bert
did
but
happy
to
answer,
questions
that
anyone
might
have
on
the
commission
or
otherwise.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
If
we
have
no
questions
at
this
time,
are
there
any
others
who
wish
to
speak
in
support
of
the.
A
And
if
not,
are
there
any
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
speak
in
opposition
to
this
request.
A
So
if
there
are
no
other
members
of
the
public,
I
guess
we
can
close
the
public
hearing
at
this
point.
D
Dory
this
is
jan
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment.
This
has
been
a
very
controversial
project
in
the
neighborhood
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
think
it's
wonderful
that
there
was
some
collaboration
and
some
accommodation
and
paying
attention
to
neighbors
concerns.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment.
D
A
A
Does
anyone
wish
to
make
a
motion
at
this
time.
C
C
C
B
C
G
C
A
Thank
you
tyler
I'd
just
like
to
remind
commissioners
that
our
next
meeting
on
may
20th,
we'll
we'll
have
a
5
30
p.m,
session,
on
text,
changes
to
chapters
134
and
135
and
I'd
also
this
afternoon
late
afternoon,
you
should
have
received
an
email
announcing
that
eric
will
be
leaving
working
with
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
he
will
effective
june
1st
start
as
the
city
zoning
enforcement
officer,
and
I
just
wanted
to
personally
thank
eric
for
all
his
years
of
work,
22
years
of
work
with
plan
and
zoning
commission
and
development
in
this
community.
J
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
and
thanks
all
you,
commissioners
and
have
a
great
rest
of
your
evening.
Dory.
F
Dory,
may
I
ask
a
question,
please
sure,
and
and
first
of
all
you
know
we
all
received
an
email
a
couple
of
three
weeks
ago
from
aaron
olsen
douglas,
who
has
talked
about
other
promotions
in
the
city
as
well,
including
in
addition
to
eric
bert
and
jason
and
and
mike
as
well,
and
so
I
think
we
all
want
to
congratulate
them
for
their
their
new
responsibilities
and
their
promotions
and
kind
of
along
that
line.
F
My
question
is
this:
since
the
this
department
is
now,
I
think
called
development
services,
and
there
are
different
people
involved
that
we'll
be
working
with.
It
would
be
very
helpful.
At
least
it
would
be
for
me
if
we
had
a
new
organizational
chart
that
gave
us.
You
know
the
names
of
people
and
the
positions
that
they're
filling
right
now.
So,
if
that's
possible
with
the
city
to
do
or
if
it's
already
done,
I'd
request
that
that
some
kind
of
information
along
that
line
be
sent
out
to
commissioners.
H
Well,
I
think
this
is
jason.
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
and
we
have
a
chart,
that's
kind
of
put
together.
I
don't
I'll
see
if
it's
updated
and
we'll
get
that
out
to
the
commission-
and
you
know,
I
think,
all
of
us
that
have
kind
of
moved
around
in
different
positions
and
have
worked
with
all
all
of
you
for
these
years
are
really
excited
about
the
new
opportunities
new
challenges
ahead,
and
I
know
from
I'm.
H
You
know
it's
gonna
be
rough
on
us
to
lose
eric,
but
we
also
will
work
with
him
very
closely
in
his
new
role
and
we're
really
excited
for
him
and
in
many
ways
it's.
I
he's
he's
making
our
life
a
little
harder,
but
he's
also
making
in
a
different
area,
making
our
life
a
little
easier.
So
super
excited
for
him
for
that
opportunity
and
we'll
get
out
a
chart
to
you.
I
I
do
have.
H
H
Okay,
so
I'll
take
that
as
a
no.
So
I'll
be
brief,
so
we
are,
I
think,
we've
alluded
to
this
in
the
past.
We
are
still
expecting
to
be
in
in-person
meetings
if,
starting
in
july
1st,
the
first
meeting
in
july,
we
are
working
right
now
on
how
that
would
happen.
How
how
do
we
have?
H
You
know,
provide
some
social,
distancing
and
different
aspects
for
safety,
but
it
does
appear
that
that's
going
to
get
sorted
out
so
just
put
that
in
the
kind
of
the
background-
and
we
will
follow
up
with
you
once
we
have
those
those
details
flushed
out
a
little
bit.
We're
also
very
excited,
as
the
chair
mentioned,
about
bringing
forward
some
amendments
to
both
135
and
134
and
we'll
be
sharing
kind
of
an
overview
presentation
with
you
and
then
the
at
the
next
meeting
and
the
meeting
right
after
that.