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From YouTube: 2-18-21 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission
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I
will
read
the
plan
and
zoning
commission
rules
and
procedures.
The
plan
and
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission,
others
in
site
plans
and
subdivision
plats,
unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
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515-689-9485
for
details
on
council
hearings,
the
applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request.
If
applicants
wish
to
share
materials
not
already
submitted
with
the
application,
please
email
them
to
planning
dmgov.org,
so
a
staff
host
will
be
able
to
share
them
on
the
screen.
When
you
present
proponents-
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order,.
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With
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes,
staff
has
attempted
to
compile
a
list
of
people
who
would
like
to
speak
on
each
item.
Staff
will
first
call
on
these
people
and
then
will
open
it
up
to
anyone
else.
Who
wishes
to
speak
to
request
to
speak
during
the
hearing.
Please
use
the
raise
hand,
function
on
zoom
webinar
via
the
internet
or
dial
star
9
on
your
phone.
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Also,
we
ask
that
you
keep
your
microphones
and
phones
on
mute
unless
you've
been
given
the
chance
to
address
the
commission
by
the
chair
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
If
any
opponent
spoke,
all
comments
are
to
be
germaine
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
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A
Moines
tyler
had
said
we
have
a
quorum.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
february
4th
meeting.
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Great
watchier,
okay,
francis
boggess,
yes
carolyn,
jennison,.
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Okay,
so
motion
carries
1201.
A
Thank
you
tyler.
I
believe
we
have
two
possible
items
that
could
be
moved
to
consent,
jason
is
item
three
or
we.
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Chair
members
of
the
commission,
jason
vanessa,
with
the
planning
staff
on
item
three,
we
did
not
get
any
opposition
to
it.
The
applicant
has
has
agreed
the
staff
recommendation.
We
did
get
a
letter
from
the
neighborhood
association
expressing
neutrality.
They
had
a
few
questions.
J
For
items
yeah
yeah,
we
have
one
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
let's
just
leave
it
on
public.
I
Yes,
madam
chair
item,
four,
the
applicant
is
in
agreement
with
the
staff
recommendation,
there's
no
recorded
opposition
and
unless
there's
somebody
here
this
evening
to
speak
to
it,
we
would
recommend
considering
that
for
the
consent
agenda.
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A
Thank
you,
tyler,
we'll
now
go
to
the
consent.
Public
hearing
items
item
number
one
is
a
city-initiated
request
for
an
amendment
to
the
text
of
chapter
134
of
the
city
code
to
make
revisions
allowing
for
minor
expansion
of
legal
non-conforming,
one
and
two
household
residential
uses,
and
to
allow
new
detached
accessory
structures
associated
with
those
uses.
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Is
there
anyone
from
the
public
who
would
like
to
hear
this
item.
I
Madam
chair,
this
is
eric
lundy,
they
can
use
the
raise
hand
function
or
this
r9
function
on
their
phone.
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Okay,
then,
I
guess
we'll
need
to
move
that
to
the
non-consent
portion
of
public
hearing
and
item
number.
Four,
then,
is
a
a
request
from
the
meyer
family
llc
represented
by
charles
meyer,
for
the
following
regarding
the
property
located
at
1324
and
1348
east
euclid
avenue,
and
it's
requested
rezoning
from
mx3
to
rx2.
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A
You
tyler,
I
will
now
start
the
public
hearing
and
we'll
start
with
item
number
two,
and
this
is
the
request
from
calvin
park.
Mixed
use,
condominiums
for
property
located
at
4326,
hickman
road
and
I
believe,
jason
is
going
to
present.
J
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
jason
vanessa,
with
the
city's
planning
staff.
This
is
the
first
amendment
to
the
calvin
community
pud.
A
lot
of
the
items
you
see
there
are
listed
on
the
agenda
are
really
clean
up
items.
The
the
real
thing
that's
bringing
this
forward
is
some
change
and
signage
that
they
would
like
to
do.
That
was
a
little
bit
different
than
what
was
shown
on
the
original
pud.
J
Just
a
couple
highlights.
The
building
was
actually
built,
a
story
shorter
and
with
some
less
units,
you'll
see
a
few
items
crossed
out.
They
do
want
to
reserve
the
ability
to
potentially
build
a
sky
bridge
in
the
future
and
then
that
access
gate
at
one
point
we
thought
maybe
that
would
come
off
and
and
then
some
more
cleanup
things
have
to
do
with
utility
screening
and
the
driveway
emergency
access,
driveway
and
I'll
show
that
to
you
here
in
a
minute.
J
I
know
that
some
of
our
some
of
the
feedback
I've
heard
from
neighbors
is
there
was
an
impression
that
it
that
drive
it
would
be
added
it's
not
there
today
and
I
apologize
if
that
was
confusing.
J
We're
actually
not
talking
about
making
any
changes
from
what's
on
the
ground
at
the
moment.
So
this
is
the
subject
property.
It's
on
the
south
side
of
hickman
avenue,
44th
street
to
the
west.
You
have
the
mixed
use,
building
medical
clinic
on
the
ground
floor
and
residential
units
above
a
town,
home
or
row
home
building
at
the
back
of
the
site.
It
has
its
own
driveway.
J
The
primary
access
for
the
commercial
lot
is
off
of
hickman.
There
is
also
this
this
area
here.
This
is
originally
that
was
thought
to.
Maybe
it
would
be
constructed
with
grass
crete.
It
was
always
intended
to
be
for
emergency
vehicles
only
we
ended
up
working
with
the
applicant
and
they
constructed
it
with
a
stained
concrete
and
added
bollards
and
signage,
and
there's
no
changes
proposed
to
that.
J
Just
the
drawing
that
submitted
the
amendment
to
the
pud,
showing
the
footprints
of
the
buildings
they're
there
and
general
layout.
That's
the
road
building,
townhome,
building
mixed
use.
Building
at
the
front,
I
think
the
the
bigger
thing
for
the
commission
to
focus
on
and
why
this
is
really
in
front
of
us
tonight
is
the
signage
they
did
construct
the
monument
sign
and
that
monument
sign
was
envisioned
with
the
original
pud,
but
the
way
it
was
put
together,
it
only
allowed
signage
on
the
north
face
towards
the
street.
J
J
J
Signage
and
we
reviewed
this-
you
know-
looked
through
it,
looked
against
the
the
what
was
proposed,
we're
very
comfortable
with
their
proposing.
We
recommend
approval
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
just
quickly.
Here's
the
response
map.
We
did
get
one
card
back
in
favor.
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Dory,
maybe
we
could
just
check
to
see
if
there
were
any
questions
from
the
commission
for
the
applicant,
then
I
can
try
to
get
those
to
them
and
maybe
maybe
in
writing
somehow
or
something.
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F
I
have
a
one
comment
and
one
question:
I
think
my
my
comment
is
more
of
a
technical
issue,
because
I
live
in
close
proximity
to
the
building
that
we're
talking
about.
I've
received
two
letters
from
the
city
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
I'm
just
curious
about
the
both
of
the
letters
that
I
received
didn't
have
the
items
struck
through
that
you're
showing
tonight.
So
I'm
just
curious
about
that.
J
Please
do!
Okay!
When
the
application
first
came
in,
we
were
under
the
impression
that
they
were
no
longer
interested
in
building
those
two
elements,
but
as
time
passed
and
we
interacted
with
the
applicant,
they
indicated
that
they
still
might
pursue
those
at
some
point.
So
we
updated
the
agenda
to
strike
those
because
they
they
removed
those
from
their
applications.
So,
instead
of
just
deleting
them,
we
just
did
a
strike
through
that
way.
People
would
understand
that
you
know
those
hadn't
disappeared.
F
And
accord
with
everything
here,
but
I
just
had
one
clarification
and
I
think
you
tried
to
really
address
this
earlier,
but
I
still
was
left
a
little
confused
and
that's
regarding
the
in
the
text
of
addition
of
the
second
access
on
44th
street
and
after
your
presentation
it
looked
like
we
they,
we
were
not
going
to
add
an
extra
driveway
there.
J
That
is
correct
and
and
the
way
that
our
update
agenda,
let
me
go
to
the
my
first
slide
here.
We
actually
change
languages,
say
modification
of
the
north
drive
access
to
44th
street
and
all
it's
all.
We're
trying
to
do
is
just
account
for
the
fact
that
grass
creek,
which
is
a
product
that
grass
would
grow
out
of
it,
wasn't
used.
We
ended
up
using
stained
concrete
with
bollards
and
signage,
so
there's
no
new
driveway
proposed
this.
This
is
just
really
a
cleanup
thing
on
our
documents.
F
Okay,
well
I'm
happy
for
that
clarification.
I
actually
went
through
that
very
way
the
other
day,
so
that
was
my
main
question.
I
was
concerned
about
that.
So
thank
you
for
that
clarification,
and
otherwise
I
think
that
this
is
all
great.
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A
All
think
now
now,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
I'm
sorry,
I
I
said
we
now
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
ask
the
commissioners
for
their
thoughts.
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Chair
members
of
commission
jason
vanessa
with
the
planning
staff
yeah,
so
the
proposal,
the
first
step
and
kind
of
process,
is
to
rezoning
to
allow
a
drive-through
component
for
the
restaurant
use.
So
that's
the
what's
driving
part
b
of
the
request
and
then
part
c
is
their
site
plan.
J
There
are
three
items
that
need
type
2
relief
that
are
making
their
site
plan
become
a
public
carrying
site
plan
versus
one
that
could
be
approved
by
staff,
and
so
we
brought
that
all
forward
together.
Since
this
is
really
a
site
development
issue
and
thinking
it
through.
It
made
sense
to
tackle
that
all
at
one
time.
J
J
There
are
grade
issues
the
floor
of
the
building
is
higher
than
the
grade
of
the
site.
So
it's
not
practical
put
it
on
move
it
to
this
side,
and
if
the
drive
through
is
on
the
back
side,
it
would
greatly
reduce
the
ability
to
stack
which
setting
stacking
is
important.
You
know
provide
as
much
of
that
on-site
stacking
as
possible.
J
J
The
attempt,
as
you
can
see,
from
those
or
renderings
which
I
can
go
back
to,
is
to
try
to
provide
a
strong
visual
connection.
One
of
the
conditions
you'll
see
in
the
staff
report
is
that
we
want
to
make
sure
whatever
that
crosstalk
went
to
that
it's
either
a
paver
or
some
sort
of
painting
or
stain
like
is
shown
in
the
image
really
being
a
kind
of
a
strong
instrument
and
providing
that
connectivity.
There
is
a
patio
that's
proposed
on
the
front
of
the
site
to
try
to
help
pull
it
all
together.
J
So
we
are
recommending
approval
just
a
couple
housekeeping
conditions.
The
easternmost
driveway
should
be
reduced
to
the
necessary
width
for
one-way
traffic.
They
are
proposing
it
to
be
one-way
traffic,
but
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that's
narrowed
to
support
that
or
reinforce
that
item.
Two
is
I
kind
of
mentioned
that
already
about
having
the
crosswalks
on
site,
the
favors
or
stained
concrete
or
other
comparable
means,
then
we
had
a
spot
where
we
thought.
J
This
is
a
letter
from
the
woodland
heights
organization.
The
applicant
met
a
couple
different
times
with
both
the
woodland
heights
neighborhood
organization
and
also
the
ingersoll
grand
business
association
to
get
their
input.
Excuse
me,
the
neighborhood
voted
to
be
neutral.
They
identified
some
pros
and
cons.
They
had
some
concerns
I'll.
Let
you
look
at
those
I
think
you
know
some
of
their
concerns
would
be
addressed
by
the
staff
recommendation.
J
I
think
one
of
the
things
I
glossed
over
my
presentation
is
that
for
uses
we
are
recommending
that
the
only
uses
that
that
you
could
do
on
the
property
would
be
those
allowed
in
the
mx2
districts
plus
a
drive-through
restaurant,
so
that
addresses
their
concern
with.
Maybe
this
would
lead
to
other
uses
on
the
site.
J
Yep
now
clark,
I've,
given
you
permission
to
speak,
go
ahead
and
help
help
yourself
to
the
mic.
Q
Hi,
can
you
hear
me?
Okay?
Yes,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
clark
snyder
simonson
and
associates
architects,
1717
ingersoll
avenue,
representing
woodsonia
acquisitions
for
this
project
for
the
starbucks
project
at
2510.
Ingersoll
jason
did
a
great
job
with
this
presentation,
we're
in
full
support
of
staff
recommendations
I'll
keep
this
short
and
sweet,
but
we're
excited
to
move
on
to
the
next
steps
with
this
project
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
Q
I
also
want
to
know
you
know
approval
from
the
avenues
board
for
this
project
support
for
this
project
as
well.
Q
A
If
not,
are
there
any
speakers
in
support
of
this
request
this
evening.
J
We
have
raised
hand,
I
don't
know
if
it's
carol's
in
support
or
opposition
or
just
has
questions,
but
I'll
give
her
permission
to
talk.
Thanks,
go
ahead
and
meet
yourself
carol.
H
Awesome,
thank
you,
I'm
not
sure
if
I'm
in
support
or
against
either,
but
I
just
had
some
questions
an.
J
Observation,
hey
sorry,
to
interrupt
you.
Could
you
give
us
your
full
name
and
address?
I
I
I
know
you're
one
of
our
frequent
attendees,
but
I
is
for
the
record.
H
I
live
at
701
hulk
boulevard
in
des
moines
and
this
is
a
really
car
centric
design,
especially
because
you
want
to
have
drive-through,
and
my
concern
is
that
this,
the
city
is
committing
a
lot
of
money
and
focus
on
promoting
the
bike
lanes
on
ingersoll,
and
I
think
the
stacking
and
the
cueing
of
your
drive-through
customers
is
going
to
bleed
out
onto
ingersoll
and
into
the
bike
lane.
And
I'm
wondering
how
you,
if
you
have
any
plans
to
mitigate
the
risk
that
you're
putting
bicyclists
at
when
this
happens.
H
My
questions
typically
aren't
answered,
but
also
it
would
be
nice
to
have
bike
lanes
show
in
your
res
rendering,
because
I
think
it's
a
big,
miss
you're
you're,
focusing
again
on
highlighting
the
parking
that
that
you're,
carving
out
and
the
amount
of
car
traffic
that's
going
to
be
turning
over
on
these
curb
cuts
and
your
drive-through
and
the
parking
is
really
contrary
to
good
biking
strategies,
and
I
think,
I
think,
that's
frankly,
a
big
risk
to
bicyclists.
J
Carol,
this
is
jason
with
plantsteph
clark
will
he
has?
After
all,
all
the
comments
are
taken
from
the
public
clerk
will.
Try
to
address
he'll
have
an
opportunity
to
address
those
questions,
questions
and
whatnot.
Okay,.
H
Okay
and
in
the
rendering
there's
a
divided
sidewalk
shown,
it
looks
like
a
divided
sidewalk.
I
wasn't
sure
if
that
was
indeed
divided,
sidewalk
or
if
or
what
that
was,
and
if
the
owner
of
the
property
will
be
responsible
for
shoveling
both
of
those
sidewalks
and
if
so,
is
there
a
possibility?
Because,
as
you
know,
bus
stops
have
a
hard
time
getting
cleared
in
the
winter.
H
I
realize
this
is
one
that's
sheltered
and
that
dart
is
responsible
for,
but
is
there
any
way
to
have
the
proprietor
sign
up
for
sort
of
being
a
backup
or
first
offense
on
that
shoveling
for
that
that
dart
stop
so
that
because
sometimes
it
takes
a
while
for
them
to
get
out
there
to
clear
those
stops,
and
since
it's
right
there
and
in
a
prominent
position
in
front
of
your
store,
if
you
could
maybe
be
a
good,
neighbor
and
sign,
you
know
step
up
and
clear
that
perhaps
before
dark
gets
around
to
it,
it
would
be.
H
You
know,
really
a
great
thing,
especially
again
since
you're
focusing
so
much
on
cars
in
your
business.
If
you
and
you
have
here,
you
have
a
dart,
stop
right
in
front
and
bike
lanes
out
front.
It
would
be
nice
to
pay
a
little
bit
attention
to
to
the
other
modes
of
transit
that
are
going
by
your
door.
So
that's
it.
A
Q
Thank
you.
This
is
clark
from
simonson
again
to
your
point
on
the
the
jason.
If
you
could
pull
up
that
isometric
of
the
front
that
shows
that
front
patio
in
relationship
to
the
building,
you
see
the
row
of
trees
and
the
double
sidewalk
lane.
All
that
has
already
been
designed
and
dictated
with
the
ingerstall
ingersoll
streetscape
development.
Q
There's
a
bike
rack
that's
further
to
the
east
on
the
east
end
of
that
patio,
so
that's
kind
of
that
bike
circulation.
If
I
can
speak
to
the
the
drive-through
stacking,
I
know
that's
always
good!
There's
going
to
be
peak
times
with
coffee
in
the
mornings.
We
understand
that
we
have
a
lot
of
bike
traffic
now
on
ingersoll
and
I
think
everybody's
cognizant
of
that.
A
A
If
not
we'll
close
the
public
hearing
and
commissioners,
it's
time
for
you
to
discuss.
A
I
J
B
J
So
they
have,
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
the
site
plan
but
they're,
showing
the
accessible
stall
with
an
accessible
route
here
with
the
way
the
existing
building
and
site
lasers.
It's
they
don't.
You
know,
there's
challenges
that
to
doing
anything
from
ingersoll,
so
I
I
think
they
meet
the
intent
of
the
code.
Our
engineering
departments
reviewed
it
not
raised
any
concern.
J
Yeah,
the
parking
is
on
the
outside
and
then
the
queue
line
is
circles
around
the
building.
J
F
Okay,
okay!
Well,
I
think,
as
a
person
who
assists
many
people
who
use
wheelchairs,
this
is
really
problematic
from
a
safety
standpoint,
and
that
would
be
my
comment.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
We
do
have
we'll
return
to
the
motion
that
was
made.
I
B
All
right,
so
we
have
rocky
moved,
will
page
yes,
johnny
elsevier,
emily
webb,
yes,
dory
briles,.
A
K
K
N
K
A
O
O
Okay,
so
the
item
before
you
tonight
is
a
request
to
amend
the
hilltop
pud
located
on
in
the
3700
block
of
hubble
avenue.
They
are
proposing
to
replace
two
previously
approved
multi
household
buildings
and
some
duplex
structures
with
two
slightly
larger
multi-household
structures.
There
would
be
a
zero
net
gain
on
the
total
number
of
units
in
the
dwelling
or
in
the
development.
It
would
remain
constant
at
254..
O
O
The
original
pud
allowed
for
two
additional
buildings
here
in
the
northern
portion
of
the
site,
and
then
some
duplexes
along
the
eastern
portion
they're
now
proposing
to
construct
one
new
multi-household
building
here
in
the
northern
portion
and
then
one
in
the
middle
of
the
eastern
portion
here.
But,
as
I
mentioned,
the
total
number
of
units
on
the
property
would
remain
constant
from
what
was
originally
out
at
254..
O
So
as
part
of
this,
they
are
amending
the
city's
comprehensive
land
use
plan
for
the
north
half
of
the
property.
The
north
half
was
previously
designated
as
medium
density
residential,
which
only
allows
up
to
17
units
per
acre.
Their
density
right
now
is
at
17.1,
so
it's
just
slightly
over
that.
So
we
did
just
do
a
map
cleanup
and
have
it
amended
to
be
high
density,
residential.
O
O
Here's
the
elevations
that
they
provided
for
the
eastern
building
overall
staff
was
pleased
with
these
elevations
they're
very
similar
to
the
existing
buildings
that
are
the
third
and
fourth
that
were
constructed
on
the
property.
O
Same
goes
for
the
proposed
building
at
the
north
generally,
nice
elevations
on
three
of
the
four
sides,
whoever
on
the
north
side
that
backs
up
more
or
less
to
the
four
mile
flood
plain
they're,
only
showing
a
wayne's
code
below
the
windows
on
the
first
floor
of
the
building
and
then
the
one
other
condition
that
I'll
get
to
in
the
staff
recommendation
is
that
we
wanted
them
to
expand
on
this
note
here
right
now,
it
just
says
through
wall
air
conditioners,
and
we
are
wanting
that,
to,
I
guess,
be
expanded.
O
Now
I'll
show
you
some
photos
from
the
site:
here's
the
existing
clubhouse
building.
These
are
the
buildings
that
we're
in
the
third
and
fourth
phases
of
this
project,
which
the
proposed
buildings
would
be
quite
similar
to
in
the
air.
Conditioner
units
on
these
buildings
are
pretty
well
integrated
into
the
architecture
of
the
building,
so
our
condition
on
the
air
conditioner
units
is
really
just
ensuring
that
these
through-wall
units
generally
match.
What's
within
these
buildings.
Here
we
felt
that
these
do
an
adequate
job
of
blending
those
units
into
the
buildings.
O
Another
angle-
I
don't
know
if
I
mentioned
it,
but
as
part
of
this
project,
they
would
be
expanding
this
parking
lot
and
then
providing
a
drive
connection
to
the
development
to
the
east
that
the
applicant
already
or
currently
owns
and
has
developed.
So
it
would
provide
some
extra
emergency
egress
for
public
safety
vehicles
if
needed.
O
O
That
would
include
even
more
trees.
There.
It's
another
view,
looking
straight
east
from
the
site,
and
then
these
this
is
the
view
from
hubble
avenue,
and
you
can
see
these
air
conditioning
units
kind
of
project
a
little
more
than
the
newer
buildings
at
the
north
end
of
the
site.
So
the
purpose
of
our
condition
was
just
so
that
the
ac
units
looked
more
like
the
newer
buildings
than
on
in
these
buildings.
Here,
along
hubble
avenue,.
B
O
O
We
believe
that
the
architecture
of
the
buildings
are
generally
compatible
with
the
surrounding
area,
so
we've
recommended
approval
of
parts,
a
b
and
c
just
subject
to
seven
modifications,
and
I
believe
the
applicant
agrees
with
all
of
them,
except
for
item
number
one
and
then
I
believe
they
might
be
making
their
case
for
item
number
two,
but
I
didn't
remember,
one
was
just
that
we
want
all
four
facades
of
each
building
to
have
at
least
two-thirds
of
stone
or
masonry
on
each
facade.
O
Two.
We
just
wanted
to
note
added
that
says
any
through-wall
air
conditioning
that
shall
be
designed
and
painted
to
blend
with
the
building
and
maybe
painted
wasn't
a
good
word.
Maybe
just
end
of
a
color
to
blend
with
the
building
is
really
getting
at
our
intent.
O
O
Five
just
wanted
the
note
regarding
the
landscape
buffer
to
state
that
the
proposed
six
foot
tall
fence
would
be
solid.
Six.
We,
the
pd,
currently
states
it
shall
be
landscaped
in
accordance
with
r3,
which
is
the
retired
code.
So
we
wanted
that
updated
to
n3
or
nx3
a
new
code,
and
the
same
goes
for
the
signage
and
condition
number
seven.
The
current
pod
says:
signage
regulations
show
me
r3
requirements,
so
we're
just
saying
nx3
I'll.
O
O
R
Madam
chair,
this
is,
will
page.
I
have
a
question
bert.
The
the
site
allows
contradict
if
I'm
wrong
a
total
of
254
units.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
R
A
S
Hey
everybody.
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay?
Yes,
thanks
brett,
I
think
you
did
a
great
job
there
and
thanks
everybody
for
your
time
tonight.
A
couple
things
I
want
to
bring
to
your
attention
on
the
the
the
change
in
the
sites,
the
back
building,
the
one
that
is
towards
the
north
side
of
the
site
that
one
is
actually
going
to
move
to
a
senior
building
right
now
everything
was
planned.
Everything
on
the
balance
of
the
site
was
planned
for
family,
but
we
would
restrict
that
to
seniors
over
55.
S
We
thought
that
was
something
that
the
neighbors
would
like
a
little
bit
and-
and
we
also
our
our
senior
building
in
the
front,
has
been
very,
very
high
occupancy
the
whole
site's
been
high
occupancy,
but
we
think
there's
some
more
room
for
the
senior
there,
with
with
the
issues
on
number
one
and
number
two
primarily
the
the
the
thing
I'd
like
to
have
everybody
understand
is
how
difficult
these
projects
these
affordable
projects
are
to
put
together.
S
The
the
the
financing
stack
is
extremely
tight
on
these
buildings,
so
every
additional
requirement
that
we
have
comes
at
a
cost
and
it
could
potentially
come
at
a
cost
as
not
being
able
to
do
the
projects
in
terms
of
what
we
would
do
first
and
second,
that
was
one
thing
I
wanted
to
correct
we're
going
to
put
both
of
these
in
for
applications
to
the
ifa
next
round
that
that
is
coming
up,
probably
in
april,
and
so
we
could
get
neither
of
them.
S
S
So
back
to
the
issue
on
number
number
one,
the
you
know,
our
our
stance
is
that
we
would
rather
follow
what,
if
a
requirement
requires
which
we
think
is
pretty
stringent
and
it
is
a
50
standard
on
the
brick
of
the
building,
the
the
backs
of
the
building
because
of
the
grade
and
because
of
where
they
face
they'll
hardly
ever
be
seen
the
backs
of
these
buildings.
So
we
would
rather
not
have
that
additional
cost,
so
we
can
make
sure
that
the
project
can
go
forward
from
a
financing
standpoint.
S
Brick
is
quite
expensive
and
if
folks
aren't
going
to
see
it,
then
that
seems
like
something
that
might
be
a
little
more
of
a
luxury
than
we
can
afford
when
we're
trying
to
do
a
project
that
keeps
the
rents
down
at
a
low
point
for
the
residents
that
that
live
there
in
the
future
on
number
two
generally,
we
don't
have
any
problem
with
that.
S
Typically,
what
we
have
that
sleeve
that
you
see
on
those
is
a
painted
sleeve,
but
it
is
a
powder
coated
painting.
What
we
just
didn't
want
to
do
is
come
and
apply
another
color
of
paint,
because
that
will
not
look
good
after
five
to
ten
years
when
it
starts
to
flake,
so
we
will
match
that
it
will
be
an
earth
tone.
We
will
match
it.
S
It
won't
be
raw
metal
that
wouldn't
look
good,
so
we
will
have
some
color
there
and
it'll
be
a
finish
on
there
and
it'll
be
something
that
integrates
into
the
colors
that
we
use
in
the
building.
I
also
wanted
to
mention
that
I've
got
my
design
team.
We've
got
stats.
Scott
snyder
with
simonson
and
associates
on
we've
got
doug
saltsgaver
with
engineering
resource
group
and
also
brett
mills,
who
is
the
president
of
column
property,
so
fire
away
with
any
questions.
You've
got
and
and
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
those.
A
Thank
you
jb
now
are
there
any
people
present
this
evening
who
would
like
to
speak
in
opposition
to
this
request,
and
you
have
five
minutes.
A
Okay,
then
we'll
go
on
to
if
there
are
any
speakers
who
would
like
to
be
in
support
or
neutral
to
this
request,.
A
Well,
since
we
don't
seem
to
have
any
further
questions
and
there
is
nothing
or
a
rebuttal
for
the
applicant
to
address,
we
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
ask
the
commissioners
to
discuss
this
item.
O
And
again,
I
would
just
reiterate
that
the
applicant
was
against
condition
number
one
and
the
wording
of
condition
number
two
just
have
to
say,
be
colored
to
match
the
building
rather
than
painted.
T
Madam
chair,
this
is
johnny
also
where
I
have
a
question
just
for
clarification.
The
applicant
mentioned
that
they
will
comply
with
the
ifr
requirements
for
stone
and
brick
in
the
facades
was
that
requirement
50.
Did
that
hear
that
correctly.
O
S
Yes,
it
is
50
percent,
they
they
wanna,
see
fifty
percent
of
the
building
as
as
stone
or
masonry
and-
and
you
can
see
from
the
building,
we
use
a
lot
of
different
variations
out
there.
We've
got
a
lot
of
different
stone
and
brick
and
and
whatnot,
but
they
don't
require
it
be
in
a
very
specific
place.
So
we
we
get
to
choose
where
that
50.
S
G
U
O
A
There
any
other
discussion.
W
Dory
this
is
greg
jones.
I'm
I
mean
I
like
the
the
facade
that
has
the
more
brick
on
it,
but
I
understand
their
point
of
view
about
the
50
brick,
even
though
I
would
leave
it
alone.
W
Maybe
they
could
move
some
of
that
brick
to
the
back,
so
it
doesn't
come
out
to
be
two-thirds,
but
there's
a
little
more
and
they
could
lose
a
little
bit
on
the
front
side
and
still
have
the
50
overall,
I'm
not
sure
how
much
that
does
I
somewhat
by
their
argument
that
it's
kind
of
far
away
from
other
stuff
and
the
back
doesn't
really
need
it,
but
if
staff
really
has
heartburn
about
it,
that
may
be
a
way
to
get
us
there.
J
Tonight
this
is
jason
vanessa
with
playing
staff,
but
I,
if
I
could
I'd
like
to
jump
in
on
that
greg,
I
think
some
of,
as
we
discussed
this
some
of
our
thought
processes.
You
know
we
were
looking
for
consistency
that
360
architecture
they've
done
a
great
job
with
the
buildings
they
have,
and
so
we
were,
you
know
wanting
to
kind
of
carry
that
forward,
but
I
do
think
that
one
thing
that
we
weren't
aware
of
as
we
were
developing
our
staff
recommendation-
was
the
the
great
rating
that
they're
going
to
do
on-site.
J
Jb
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
believe
that
they're
going
to
be
cutting
into
the
grade.
So
when
you
looked
at
some
of
those
pictures
that
bert
showed
it
looked
more
gradual
and
more
exposed
to
the
neighbors
to
the
east
in
in
this
information
that
they
provided
here
for
the
meeting
appears
that
they're
going
to
have
to
be
cutting
into
that
installing
a
retaining
wall.
So
I
do
think
that
lessens
our
banks.
The
staff.
P
A
A
B
Greg
all
right,
dory,
briles,
yes,
jan
freed.
K
D
C
A
Thank
you,
tyler.
We're
now
ready
for
item
number
six,
which
is
request
from
rm
madden
construction,
represented
by
michael
madden,
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
property
located
at
147
east
marion
street,
to
allow
construction
of
a
new
house
type
b
in
an
n3a
neighborhood
district,
and
I
believe
eric
is
going
to
be
presenting.
C
Madam
chairman,
members
of
the
commission,
catherine
dray
house,
planner
for
the
city
of
des
moines
eric,
and
I
did
a
little
switching
around
this
afternoon-
dory
okay,
great
so
as
mentioned,
this
is
a
residential
review
that
is
coming
to
you
for
a
few
different
reasons.
C
They
are
looking
to
wave
a
few
requirements
that
were
denied
type
ones
and
then
a
few
other
requirements
that
are
beyond
the
purview
of
the
administrative
review
of
staff.
This
property
is
located
on
a
corner
which,
as
you
might
recall,
from
some
other
presentations,
can
be,
can
add
a
little
bit
of
a
tricky
element
to
residential
reviews.
This
is
at
the
corner
of
east
marion
street
and
southeast
second
street.
Here
are
a
couple
of
site
photos
providing
you
with
some
context.
C
C
Again,
just
a
little
bit
of
context,
some
additional
parcels
in
the
immediate
vicinity
of
our
subject-
property
and
then
the
applicant
did
provide
us
with
this
site
plan.
They
are
looking
to
build
new
construction.
They
are
including
a
attached
garage.
C
C
To
be
honest,
I
think
I
have
forgotten
to
put
in
the
renderings,
so
I
might
ask
jason
or
eric
to
see
if
they
can
grab
those
really
quickly
so
we'll
get
through
this
as
best
we
can.
Until
I
can
get
you
a
little
bit
more
information,
so
they
are
looking
to
not
provide
the
transparency
on
the
the
side,
facade
that
would
be
facing
southeast
second,
and
they
are
looking
to
waive
the
requirement
for
the
public
sidewalk
along
both
street
frontages.
C
And
there
is
one
site
tree,
but
they
are
that's
pre-existing
and
then
they'd
like
to
waive
the
requirement
for
the
other
four
that
are
required
on
this
corner
lot,
and
then
they
are
looking
to
also
utilize
vinyl,
where
we
generally
don't
allow
it
as
a
major
facade
material.
C
C
C
And
then
we
are
excuse
me.
We
are
denying
request
the
requested
type
2
alternative
to
wave
the
street
tree
requirements.
We
do
feel
that
the
street
tree
and
contributing
to
the
site
canopy
as
well
as
the
overall
city
canopy,
is
a
very
important
part
of
new
construction.
C
Excuse
me.
Let
me
rephrase
that
we
are
recommending
denial
of
the
request
to
utilize
vinyl
as
a
major
material.
Again.
This
is
just
something
that
we
are
doing
to
ensure
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
then
I
know
the
there's
been
an
ongoing
conversation
about
sidewalks
within
residential
and
new
construction
and
I'll
just
go
back
up
to
the
site
photos.
So
you
can
see
the
the
property
again.
C
Staff
did
discuss
the
proposed
sidewalk
committee
and
there
just
has
not
been
the
opportunity
to
fully
go
through
that
conversation
yet
so
that
is
something
that
I
know
has
been
discussed
before,
but
we're
not
at
a
point
where
we
have
an
operable
solution
on
that,
yet
our
notification
area,
just
so
you
have
that
for
your
reference
staff
did
create
a
map
that
kind
of
takes
away
some
of
the
extra
layers
so
that,
if
we
need
to,
we
can
zoom
in
and
see
the
sidewalk
in
the
a
little
bit
better
and
then
either
I
or
kyle
larson
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
for
staff.
I
R
R
Catherine,
this
is
will
page.
I
have
a
question
please.
Yes,
I'm
looking
at
the
aerial
shot
that
we
got
in
our
packet
and
I
I
really
my
question
is:
are
there
any
other
sidewalks
in
the
immediate
neighborhood.
C
Let's
see,
hopefully
my
screen
is
back
up,
so
we
did
remove
the
parcel
boundaries
on
this
map
so
that
we
could
walks
a
little
bit
more
closely
and
I
would
just
I'll
do
the
best
I
can.
But
it
looks
like
we
have
a
pretty
complete
one
along
east
watrus,
which
is
a
block
to
the
north,
and
then
it
looks
like
east
leech
street
has
sidewalk
on
both
the
north
and
south
facades
pretty
continuously
as
well,
and
then
over.
C
Let's
see,
I
guess
marion
doesn't
go,
doesn't
look
like
east
marion
goes
all
the
way
through,
but
you
will
see
that
it
is
over
to
the
east
on
east
mary
and
it
looks
like
there
is
sidewalk
on
the
north
and
south
there
and
then
kind
of
in
that
immediate
block
vicinity.
C
R
No
thanks
that
helps.
It
looks
like
when
the
plait
was
laid
out
and
developed.
That
partial
I
mean
that
portion
of
the
area
was
lacked
sidewalks
you've
answered
my
question
thanks
karen.
A
G
Yeah
this
is
greg
yta,
I'm
looking
at
the
homes
around
there.
Can
you
tell
me
more
about
the
materials
the
existing
materials
on
homes
around
there?
I
can't
really
tell
what's
their
sighting.
What's.
C
I'll
bring
up
the
site
photos
and
I
might
let
kyle
jump
in
and
discuss
the
his
impressions
of
the
sighting
materials
that
he
noticed.
He's
the
one
who
took
the
site
photos
this
time
around.
X
Members
of
the
commission.
This
is
kyle
larson
planner,
with
the
city
of
des
moines,
to
the
best
of
my
observation.
When
out
at
the
site,
there
was
a
mix
of
siding
materials,
including
the
fiber
cement,
siding
and
vinyl
siding.
So
there
wasn't
a
real,
consistent
pattern
of
the
siding.
X
G
I
guess
I'd
have
another
question
for
staff,
then.
So
what?
What?
What's
the
desire
in
the
code
and
staff
to
require
the
external
materials
requiring
or
not
allowing
when?
When
that,
when
those
materials
are
in
the
neighborhood.
C
Good
question
generally
we're
looking
for
durability
of
the
materials
and
to
ease
the
long-term
cost
of
home
ownership
and
maintenance.
And
I
would
welcome
jason
or
eric.
J
Yeah
this
is
this,
is
jason
vanessa
and
staff,
katherine
just
to
help
clarify
the
this,
which
channels
type
again.
Is
this
house
type
d
house
type
d
and
the
major
materials
chart
allows
vinyl,
but
you
have
to
have
you
have
to
have
60
stone
on
the
front?
Is?
Is
that
or
is
that
a
different
house
type.
C
Would
it
be
in
the
staff
wreck?
I'm
sorry.
J
I
J
Can
you
clarify
for
the
group?
Is
this
the
situation
the
materials
chart,
the
primary
or
major
materials
chart
allows
vinyl
for
house
types
that
you
can
only
on
the
front
facade
you
have
to
have
you
can't
have
more
than
65
percent?
Is
that
the
apple
section
in
this
case.
J
J
I
This
is
eric
again.
The
and
further
the
option
is
there's
our
there's
architectural
options
that
are
there
to
allow
the
vinyl
to
be
a
hundred
percent.
So
that's
that
4.3.11
that's
referenced
in
the
in
the
agenda
item.
J
I
Is
that
what
are
the
other
appropriate
size
and
number
of
gables
defined
by
accent
shaker
similar
architectural
elements,
appropriate
size
and
design
of
finished
columns
and
then
there's
a
more
of
a
generic
or
other
appropriate
change
in
articulation
or
pattern
of
materials?
So
at
the
administrative
world.
J
And
just
so,
to
come
back
to
that,
there
are
a
couple
paths
in
the
code
to
use
vinyl
one
would
be
to
provide
the
stone
or
brick
material
on
the
front.
The
other
would
be
to
provide
a
porch
or
some
other
architectural
elements,
and
in
this
case
we
didn't
feel
that
we
were
getting
there
with
the
applicant
on
on
this
particular
design.
A
This
thanks
very
much
staff.
Are
there
any
other
questions
from
the
commission?
If
not
we'd
welcome
the
applicant
to
do
their
presentation
with
a
10
minute
limit.
Y
Y
Okay,
there
we
go
so
I
guess
I'll
go
in
order,
transparency
being
the
first
issue.
Y
The
house
plan,
with
the
elevations
that
you
guys
pulled
up
were,
must
have
been
the
most
recent
ones
you
had
received,
but
I
made
some
edits
and
maybe
then
you
get
passed
along,
but
I'm
proposing
to
put
a
504-0
window.
So
five
foot
wide
four
foot
tall
foot
window
on
the
street
side
facing
southeast
second,
which
is
20
square
feet
right
alongside
that,
you
know
real
close
to
that
type.
1
exception
there,
so
hopefully
that
is
allowable.
You
know,
with
every
little
window
and
a
neighborhood
like
this
there's
there's
costs
involved.
Y
Next
issue:
the
street
tree
issue
there's
a
large
tree
on
the
corner
there
on
east
marion
and
southeast
second,
that
we
trimmed
up
just
to
allow
room
for
the
house,
it's
pretty
big,
very
large,
and
then
in
that
picture,
you're
showing
there's
that
pine
tree
along
the
street
there
that's
also
on
our
property.
Y
Y
Y
Sidewalk
issue:
in
my
rationale:
I
attached
a
picture,
but
you
guys
have
it
in
your
pictures:
yep
the
one
down
yep
there
we
go
so
that
is
along
east
marion.
Y
So
this
elevation
is
only
going
to
get
worse
so
along
along
southeast
second
or
along
east
marion.
It
is
pretty
difficult
to
put
a
sidewalk
in
there's
some
extreme
cost
of
doing
so
about
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
in
concrete
just
for
along
southeast
or
east
marion,
and
then,
if
we
had
to
build
a
retaining
wall
to
create
that
sidewalk
nearly
another
five
to
six
thousand,
which
is
a
pretty
crazy
cost
for
something
that
just
gets
passed
right
along
to
the
home
buyer.
Y
There's
the
average
house
along
that
street
closest
15
properties,
the
assessed
building
value
is
89
000,
so
our
biggest
goal
is
to
make
obviously
a
house
fit
in
there
functionally
and
that's
why
we're
doing
the
tuck
under
garage,
but
also
to
make
it
affordable,
and
some
of
these
issues
are
making
that
more
and
more
difficult.
Y
Y
As
you
can
see,
we
have
you
know
a
painted
foundation,
a
stone
retaining
wall,
the
gable
with
the
vertical
siding.
These
are
all
some
pretty
I'd
like
to
think
they're,
great
architectural
elements
for
houses
and
infill
lots
in
these
price
ranges
that
should
satisfy
vinyl
siding
and
our
main
argument
for
vinyl
siding.
Is
you
know
you
don't
have
to
repaint
it
there's
very
easy
maintenance.
You
go
out
there
every
other
year
and
power
wash
it.
Y
A
Any
commissioners
are
there
any
questions
for
the
applicant
at
this
time.
A
If
not
we'd
like
to
invite
any
speakers
that
are
in
support
of
this
request,.
A
J
Z
You
hear
me
yeah.
We
can
hear
you
now
about
that.
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
rick
madden,
I'm
not
in
construction,
5909,
grand
avenue
in
des
moines
I'd
just
like
to
start
by
saying.
I
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
and
time
that
you
put
in
to
make
des
moines
such
a
better
place
to
to
live
and
work.
Z
I
know
we're
very
proud
to
be
a
part
of
it.
Mike
did
a
good
job
explaining
to
you
a
lot
of
the
points,
but
I'd
like
to
just
hit
a
couple
more.
The
house,
we're
proposing,
will
no
doubt
be
a
huge
asset
to
that
neighborhood.
Its
assessed
value
as
we
propose
will
be
much
higher
than
the
surrounding
houses.
Z
It's
a
price
point
that
also
has
to
make
sense
to
an
appraiser
who
has
to
believe
it's
worth
the
money
sitting
in
that
neighborhood
and
then
obviously
it
has
to
make
sense
to
the
buyers
and
the
buyers
who
are
most
likely
on
what
we
build
in
these
infills
they're,
going
to
own
the
most
expensive
house
in
the
neighborhood.
So
it
has
to
check
these
boxes
or
these
houses
just
aren't
going
to
get
built,
and
then
all
these
are
info
housing
criteria
that
need
to
be
met.
Z
Z
We
came
a
long
ways
working
together
on
this
code,
but
I
believe
we
still
need
to
make
some
serious
changes
on
what
the
city
is
called
a
living
document
and
make
changes
that
continue
to
get
infill
growth
and
continue
to
bring
housing
to
the
city
of
des
moines.
So
I
just,
I
hope
you
all
keep
that
in
mind
when
you're
discussing
this
and
making
your
votes,
it's
passionate
to
us.
We've
been
doing
a
long
time
and
we
just.
Z
N
A
S
Thanks,
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on
this
for
the
same
reasons
on
on
the
last
item.
It
comes
down
to
costs.
I
can
you
know,
I
can
personally
speak
for
what
the
madden
family
has
been
doing
in
des
moines.
I
sold
a
house
of
theirs
back
in.
S
Oh,
I
can't
remember
how
long
ago
it
was,
but
it
was
a
young
family
that
was
a
very
similar
house
to
this
in
the
frisbee
park
neighborhood
after
the
devastating
floods,
and
they
were
just
tickled
pink
to
get
it
and
it
was,
it
was
affordable
to
them,
and
so
they're
still
doing
the
same
thing,
and
I
would
just
implore
the
the
pnz
to
make
that
connection
between
where
it's
being
built.
S
This
is
a
good-looking
house
to
me
and
and
and
you
can't
have
all
the
bells
and
whistles
and
everything
in
every
single
house
and
still
make
it
affordable.
So
I
would
I
I
just
I
I
would
pair
it
a
lot
of
things
that
that
rick
said.
Thank
you.
S
B
J
Dory
would
it
be
okay,
if
I
just
make
a
comment,
this
is
jason
with
staff.
Absolutely
could
whoever's
running
the
slides
go
to
the
go
to
the
opening
slide
again
with
the
list
of
the
items
I
would
like
to.
J
I
I'd
like
to
have
the
commission
focus
more
on
the
the
trees,
whether
or
not
to
do
street
trees,
the
crowd,
the
question
of
the
public
walk
and
then
with
it
being
a
corner
lot,
whether
or
not
that
the
or
the
transparency
requirement
is
important
or
not?
I,
I
think
that
you
know
we've
crossed
the
bridge
on
on
that
design
worked
with
them
on
that
other
one
and,
if
they're,
if
their
intent,
is
to
duplicate
that.
I
think
that
staff
can
support
d.
J
J
R
Dory,
it's
will
page
here,
I'd
like
to
comment
on
the
sidewalk
issue.
I
am
in
sympathetic
with
the
problem
on
the
grade
along
the
east
west
portion
of
the
street
marion.
I
guess
it
is,
and
I
see
no
other
examples
of
sidewalks
in
the
immediate
area
and
we
are
in
a
difficult
position
because
we
have
regulations
that
encourage
sidewalks
and
yet
the
practical
implementation
of
them
is
really
tough
and
in
this
instance
I
think
it's
appropriate
quite
frankly
to
waive
the
sidewalk
requirements
in
this.
W
Dory
this
is
greg
jones.
I
believe
I
heard
that
on
part
a
they
were
proposing
a
20
square
foot
window
instead
of
a
22
and
a
half,
and
I
think
that's
good
enough
on
part
b.
I
would
not
like
to
wave
the
street
trees
and,
on
part
c
I'll
agree
with
half
of
will.
W
I
think
they
could
easily
put
the
sidewalk
on
on
second,
but
why
I'd
wave
it
on
marion
and
on
part
d,
I
think
what
they
the
house
they
built
elsewhere
was
just
fine.
So
I
agree
that
we
should
allow
that
here.
AA
F
Would
support
what
greg
just
shared.
W
J
G
J
A
Hey
commissioners,
are
you
ready
for
a.
B
Vote
right,
jan
freed.
K
K
B
C
V
A
I
Yes,
madam
chair
eric
lundy
with
planning
staff
move
quickly
here
to
the
location.
You
might
be
somewhat
familiar
with
it,
based
on
its
beings
directly
south
of
the
waldinger
headquarters
project.
That's
now
in
in
place,
this
aerial
photo
was
taken
last
spring
early
summer,
so
that
was
still
under
construction.
What
you
see
there,
but
now
southwest
mckinley
avenue,
swings
through
here.
I
There
is
a
frontage
road
for
serving
the
three
parcels
with
homes
to
the
west
of
this
property,
but
the
there's
a
barricade
here
so
that
all
feeds
in
through
this
other
connection
here
the
subject
property
at
60
20
mckinley,
has
a
driveway
on
to
the
new
alignment
here,
so
this
actual
portion
has
been
removed
and
so
now
there's
a
lot
of
right-of-way
here.
I
I
think
there's
some
plan
by
the
owner
to
request
some
of
that
be
vacated
so
that
it
can
be
incorporated
into
their
site
or
into
their
property,
and
there
is
no.
When
this
got
built,
there
was
no
construction
of
a
sidewalk.
On
the
south
side.
Waldinger
did
put
a
sidewalk
on
their
side.
I
This
is,
and,
of
course,
this
was
after
the
snow,
so
you're,
looking
at
the
end
of
that
former
piece
of
mckinley,
that's
now
the
the
frontage
system
to
serve
those
three
homes
to
the
west,
so
that
has
been
taken
out
here
in
front
of
the
applicant's
house.
This
is
their
front
yard
over
here
on
the
right,
looking
a
little
bit
more
directly
to
the
southeast
pulling
back,
and
that
is
the
house
they've
already
had.
I
What's
in
question
here
is
whether
sidewalk
should
be
incorporated
along
the
south
side
of
mckinley
in
front
of
this
property
and
that's
being
triggered
again
by
the
by
the
amount
of
investment
and
square
footage
being
done
by
the
applicant.
With
this
project.
A
I
Yeah
I'll
go
back
to
yeah.
Thank
you.
So
again,
as
I
was
showing
you
this
alignment
here,
so
he
would
be
obligated
to
put
a
strip
on
that
south
side.
Okay,
basically
along
the
south,
curb
line
of
the
new
street
here
now
you
know
you
could
analyze
this
and
say
so,
then
what
would
these
individuals
do
at
some
point?
So
the
question
is
whether
it
makes
more
sense
to
have
something
right
here.
There's
no
street
right
here.
I
So
if
we
were
picking
up
sidewalk
coming
off
the
south
side
of
mckinley,
let's
say
down
the
road
someday,
would
it
be
better
to
come
through
here
and
and
swing
up?
You
know
to
connect
over
here.
I
don't
know
the
answer
that
this
is
an
unusual
right-of-way
situation.
The
immediate
is
that
that
that
would
have
been
expected
to
be
along
the
south
side
of
mckinley
within
the
frontage
of
this
property.
W
Dory
this
is
greg
jones.
Can
I
ask
eric
a
question
sure
it
goes
right,
along
with
your
question
who's
ever
going
to
put
the
sidewalk
along
the
new
alignment
of
southwest
mckinley?
W
I
I
I
Yeah,
possibly
in
that
case,
because
certainly
move
dsm
was
in
place
when
the
waldinger
project
was
under
consideration,
and
I
don't.
I
can't
speak
to
the
negotiations
with
doing
the
public
project,
but
certainly
it
was
part
of
the
package
that
they
were
providing.
They
did
end
up,
as
you
were
called
providing
the
the
trail
connection
along
their
28th
street
or
iowa
28
side
of
the
campus
so
and
they
put
it
on
their
side
of
the
street.
I
So
I
don't
know
if,
since
the
city
was
also
participating
in
the
construction
of
that
street
piece,
if
that
was
something
that
was
not
considered
when
the
city
did
the
public
improvement
project,
I
can't
speak
to
that
without
getting
more
doing
more
research
on
that
yeah.
Getting
back
to
the
recommendation,
I
think
staff's,
taking
this
the
same
tact
on
that
the
sidewalk.
You
know
you
we're
trying
to
further
move
dsm
and
the
transportation
plan
by
getting
compliance
when
we
have
significant
investment
projects
on
private
property.
I
You
know
done
differently
on
how
we
treat
maybe
house
types
versus
commercial
projects.
This
is
where
we're
at
and
we're
taking
a
consistent
approach.
I
can
tell
you
that
some
you
know
there
are
you
don't
see
every
project
many
projects
comply
and
don't
don't
make
a
request
for
for
type
2
design
alternatives.
So
you
know
the
commission
only
see
the
sees
the
ones
that
are.
I
I
I
I
do
believe
andrew
roland
I
saw
listed
here
on
that
is
the
contractor
for
the
applicant.
P
Eric
you
there,
yes,
so
just
for
clarification,
we
could
potentially
be
asking
the
homeowner
to
put
a
sidewalk
in
that
wouldn't
align
with
a
future
sidewalk
network.
I
I
think
that
the
commission
could
certainly
make
some
recommendations
on
that
right
now,
the
it
would
go
along
the
south
side
of
the
the
street,
the
improved
street,
that's
in
front
of
the
house,
so
I
yeah,
I
see
your
concern
and
I
you
know
that
was
one
of
the
things
I
pointed
out.
So
if
there's
the
thought
that
incrementally
over
time,
it's
going
to
make
more
sense
to
stay
in
line
with
the
old
mckinley,
certainly
that
could
you
know
you
could
ask
for
that.
I
It's
still
in
the
right
of
way,
so
the
placement
within
the
right-of-way
would
be
more
along
the
the
the
old
alignment
of
mckinley.
Now
that
what
that's
going
to
do
is
sort
of
bifurcate
that
that
front
yard.
I
think
that
there
was
originally
plans
to
sort
of
incorporate
that
vacate.
Some
of
that
and.
N
A
A
If
the
commissioners
have
no
more
questions,
is
the
applicant
present
to
give
their
presentation.
I
I
see
russ
bitterman
for
mighty8
architects.
Id8
is
also
the
the
project
architect
so
looks
like
russ
is
wanting
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
applicant.
AB
Yep,
I'm
good.
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
and
members
of
the
council,
our
commission,
you
know
this
is
obviously
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
strange
situation
as
eric
was
pointing
out.
We
don't
even
know
where
the
right
of
way
is
going
to
be
located.
At
this
point,
my
understanding
from
the
client
is
they're
in
the
works
on
taking
half
of
of
part
of
the
right-of-way
as
part
of
their
land,
but
that
that's
still
in
process.
AB
Doesn't
have
any
substantial
or
undo
an
adverse
effect
effect
on
the
neighboring
properties
there,
the
properties
around
this
there
are
three
residential
units
or
residential
lots
to
the
west,
and
there
are
seven
to
the
east
before
you
get
into
farmland.
AB
AB
The
other
item
is,
and
we
talk
about
closing
gaps,
and
I
understand
that
if
there
was
a
gap
to
close,
but
I
think
that
adding
a
sidewalk
would
only
create
gaps
and
the
usability
would
be
useless
because
it
would
go
nowhere.
It
would
require
maintenance
by
my
client.
AB
It's
a
cost
burden
and
then
there
is
still
a
sidewalk
on
the
north
side
and
we
already
talked
about
where,
where
this
should
be
located,
if
it
was
required
to
be
put
in,
I
want
to
remind
everyone
that
this
is
a
residential
lot.
It's
not
a
commercial
lot,
and
you
know
my.
My
client
has
already
put
a
lot
of
money
into
his
house
edition
for
a
new
garage
he's
interested
in
making
it
even
better,
and
this
sidewalk
issue
is
blocking
a
building
permit,
for
that.
AB
AB
And
my
client
is
amenable
to
talking
about
this
in
the
future.
I
know
that
it
makes
more
sense
when
you
have
a
hammer
about
having
a
building
permit
being
held
up,
but
if
the
adjoining
areas
change
or
at
and
they
are
end
up,
adding
sidewalks,
that's
certainly
something
that
could
be
brought
back
to
the
client.
So
again,
it's
a
it's
a
residential
lot
and
not
sure
what
the
right-of-way
answer
is
on
it,
but
we
would
sincerely
hope
that
this
type,
2
design
alternative,
is
approved.
Thank
you.
I'll.
Take
any
questions.
Russ.
AB
M
I
am,
can
you
hear
me,
madam
chairman?
Yes,
madam
chairman,
commission
members,
george
davis,
president
southwestern
hills,
neighborhood
association,
my
personal
address
is
3124
southwest
29th
des
moines
iowa,
our
southwestern
hills
board
has
looked
at
this
situation
and
we
are
fully
supporting
not
adding
the
sidewalk,
because
the
sidewalk
just
would
go
in
front
of
mr
van
patten's
property
and
there
would
be
no
alignment
to
the
west
or
to
the
east
of
a
sidewalk.
M
In
fact,
that
would
be
the
only
sidewalk
there
in
front
of
his
property,
or
I
think,
if
my
measurements
are
right,
almost
a
one
block
area
to
the
west
and
a
two
block
area
to
the
east,
where
there
are
absolutely
no
sidewalks,
I
think
waldinger
put
theirs
in
because
our
neighborhood
association
was
involved
in
that
they
put
their
sidewalk
in
on
the
north
side
of
the
street
to
meet
requirements
and
then
with
the
possible
hook
up
to
a
bike
trail
or
other
walking
situations.
M
But
at
this
time
we
support
mr
van
patten's
request
not
to
put
in
a
sidewalk.
Thank
you
questions.
I
I
don't
see
any
any
responses
to
that
either.
A
Hand
well,
if
there's
anything,
yeah,
okay,
thanks
eric,
if
there
are
none,
do
we
have
any
further
questions
for
city.
A
A
Okay
and
since
we
had
no
people
that
spoke
in
opposition
the
applicant,
would
you
like
any
other
time
to
share
any
other
comments
before
we
close
the
public.
A
AC
This
is
francis
bogger
speaking,
and
my
position
has
been
consistently
to
where
practicable
grant
these
waivers
until
we
have
a
coherent
process
to
add
sidewalks,
where
they're
needed
and
feasible.
So
that's
my
position
and
I
would
be
in
favor
granting
the
waiver.
A
A
I
AC
I'll
make
a
motion:
we
grant
the
waiver
for
the
applicant.
B
All
right,
caleb,
bergson.
K
B
T
A
Thank
you,
tyler.
We're
now
ready
we're
now
ready.
Thank
you.
We're
now
ready
for
agenda
item
number
eight,
a
request
from
orlando
domiguez.
I
Phantom
chair,
this
is
eric.
Lundy
catherine
is
going
to
present
this
one
as
well.
C
You
catherine
yes,
but
I'm
chair
members
of
the
commission,
catherine
dray
house,
with
planning
again
as
mentioned
this
applicant,
is
building
a
addition
onto
the
front
of
their
house.
Their
property
is
located
on
4th
street
which
in
this
case,
is
located
a
few
blocks
north
of
north
high
school
and
then
in
between
second
and
sixth
avenues.
To
give
you
a
bit
of
context,
we
have
some
site
photos.
C
The
house
in
question
is,
hopefully
you
can
see
the
little
box
I've
placed
on
the
screen,
but
it
is
that
gray
house
which
looks
like
there's
a
red
door
behind
it
and
then
a
little
bit
closer
and
then
heading
down
the
street
south
and
now
we're
on
the
opposite
side
of
fourth
street
heading
oops.
Excuse
me
heading
back
north
and
that
just
gives
you
a
bit
of
context
of
where
we're
located
and
the
street
we're
on.
You
can
see.
C
It
was
a
pretty
mature,
neighborhood,
mature
street
trees,
smaller
properties
that
allow
for
greater
walkability
but
result
in
smaller
front
property
lines
and
smaller
property
lists.
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
addition
to
the
front
of
the
house,
and
the
main
obstacle
we're
running
into
on
this
one
is
that
it
will
result
in
a
much
closer
front
setback.
C
C
C
So
the
applicant's
proposal
would
put
the
front
the
proposed
front
set
back
at
11
feet
from
that
front
property
line,
and
this
is
10
feet
more
than
the
required
minimum
24
21
foot
setback
we
are.
We
do
feel
that
that
is
not
within
context
of
the
neighborhood.
C
You
did
see
that
it's
a
bit
of
a
tighter
neighborhood,
so
we're
dealing
with
some
some
issues
there
in
terms
of
front
frontage,
but
we
are
recommending
the
30
reduction,
which
would
get
it
to
a
14.7
foot,
front,
setback
from
the
front
property
line,
and
then
staff
pull
together
this
rough
diagram.
So
you
can
see
that
the
purple
line
represents
both
the
front
setback
as
it
exists
for
the
property
and
generally,
the
average
setback
of
most
of
the
properties.
C
A
A
Any
other
any
questions
for
staff.
A
If
not
we'll
have
the
applicant
present,
you
have
10
minutes.
U
They
were
in
the
basement
where
there's
no
windows
and
they
were
feeling
kind
of
distressed
a
little
bit,
but
now
we
have
them
upstairs,
where
there's
windows
and
in
lights
and
stuff
and
and
and
it's
it's
a
little
tight
but
they're
feeling
a
little
bit
better.
So
that's
what
we
came
up
with
trying
to
build
something
in
front.
U
U
We
appreciate
your
time
and
I
mean
whatever
the
decision
you
guys
make
I'll
respect,
that
it
was
just
for
the
the
room
and
the
area
you
know
and
and
try
to
extend
it
a
little
more.
So
we
can
have
a
better
living
area
and
assign
area
for
the
girls
to
wish
planning
on
having
their
own
rooms
and
their
privacy.
There
too,
as.
U
A
Well,
if
there
are
none,
we
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
ask
commissioners
what
their
thoughts
are.
G
C
Yes,
that
would
be
correct.
So
currently
the
proposal
shows
an
11
foot,
setback
from
the
front
property
line
and.
C
Not
three,
let
me
see
I
might
have
kyle
jump
in
on
that
one
looks
like
they're
proposing
15
foot
depth
on.
X
G
R
J
J
You
know
kind
of
the
established
setback
for
houses
in
the
area,
so
this
didn't
stand
so
far
forward
that
it
was
out
of
place.
R
Medium,
madam
chair,
it's
will
page
again.
I
would
move
the
staff
alternate
setback
suggestion
with
a
design
to
be
approved
by
the
planning
administrator.
A
If
there's
no
further
discussion,
we'll
call
for
the
vote.
M
D
K
A
I
Yes,
madam
chair
eric
lendy
with
the
city
planning
staff,
they're
six
items
here
that
I'll
focus
on
you're,
probably
familiar
from
the
process
proposal
here
to
put
a
non-gas.
I
Station
retail
store
in
the
drake
neighborhood.
I
At
the
corner
forest
avenue
and
32nd
street,
this
is
currently
an
old
gas
station.
That's
become
a
repair
shop,
auto
repair
shop,
but
they
would
redevelop
the
entire
site.
I
This
is
a
as
it
stands.
Currently,
I
think
gasoline
has
been
gone
for
a
number
of
years
from
this
location.
I
I
You
should
have
received
this
most
of
this
in
your
packet.
I'm
going
to
kind
of
jump
to
the
page,
that's
most
relevant
here,
so
the
the
first
piece
of
this
is
the
is
the
width
of
the
building,
so
in
the
commercial
cottage
building
type.
I
There's
a
maximum
width,
this
store
because
of
the
depth
of
the
site
and
to
get
double
loaded
parking
here,
rather
than
build
a
more
square
store
that
pushes
out
to
the
north
and
and
stays
within
the
width
along
forest
that
that
would
be
intended
for
the
commercial
cottage
type.
I
They
are
compressing
it
or
sort
of
pushing
everything
more
towards
forest,
which
widens
the
building
staff,
doesn't
have
any
issue
with
that
and
would
recommend
allowing
the
width
of
that
there's
plenty
of
east-west
dimension
here
to
to
work
with
to
allow
this
to
function
and
be
a
walkable
entrance
location
along
forest.
I
Is
the
question
of
interior
islands
so
right
now
they're
supposed
to
be
end?
Caps
they've
shown
these
areas
here,
but
that
should
be
a
full
end
cap
with
a
planter,
and
here
that
would
facilitate
getting
down
to
the
maximum
percentage
of
impervious
right
now,
the
maximum
impervious
is
set
at
65
percent,
with
a
type
one
could
be
considered
administratively
up
to
75
percent
they're
cl
they're
at
85,
so
that
throws
it
into
the
type
2
situation
again.
I
I
think
if
we
denied
some
of
the
interior
landscaping
requirements,
I
think
if
those
were
fulfilled,
we
would
likely
be
not
having
to
be
concerned
about
the
impervious
situation,
but
right
now
it
sits
at
a
type
2
and
would
require
the
commission's
approval.
I
Stormwater
management:
initially
the
engineering
department
indicated
that
if
the
impervious
was
kept
at
75
percent
or
below
that
they
would,
they
would
consider
waiving
stormwater
management
requirements
but
they're,
not
since
that's
not
being
proposed
they're,
not
allowing
that
so
I've
added
an
item
c.
That
really
is
only
comes
into
play.
I
I
Stormwater
management
now,
since
the
time
of
the
staff
report
in
discussions
with
the
engineering
consultant
for
the
applicant,
it's
understood
that
they
are
willing
to
provide
stormwater
management
in
accordance
with
what
is
acceptable
to
the
city
engineer.
I
There
isn't
storm
sewer
directly
available,
but
there
there's
designs
that
can
be
done
where
release
is
done
on
site
and
doesn't
become
problematic.
There
is
still
detention
provided
so
since
the
staff
report
that
the
applicant
has
really
taken
that
off
the
table,
but
they
still
are
seeking
the
impervious
impervious
condition.
I
I
So
there's
those
are
the
pieces
here.
You
can
see
it's
still
a
significant
improvement
to
the
site
that
cert
that
currently
exists,
they're,
putting
walkable
class
a
sidewalk
along
forest
avenue
and
that'll
match
up
to
what's
to
the
west.
I
This
is
the
elevation
of
the
store
you're,
seeing
the
west
elevation
towards
32nd
street
and
the
elevation
towards
forest.
Now
there
is
a
great
issue,
so
they
weren't
able
to
have
their
front
door
open
right
out
onto
grade
with
the
sidewalk
there,
so
they
are
having
to
ramp
one
side
and
have
steps
down
off
of
a
vestibule,
but
there
have
it's
totally
transparent,
so
you
can
see
the
front
entrance
through
the
vestibule,
and
this
is
the
east
side
and
the
back
side.
I
I
Again
so
part
a
staff
recommends
approval
of
a
b.
We
do
not
recommend
approval
of,
but
you're,
probably
going
to
hear
some
justifications
for
they're
still
seeking
that
situation
c
is
really
not
relevant.
At
this
point,
they're
willing
to
provide
stormwater
management
and
d-
oh,
I
forgot
to
touch
on
the
drive
access
I
apologize,
so
there
is
an
existing
north-south
alley.
They're
trying
to
build
off
of
that
going
west
and
the
commercial
cottage
type
doesn't
allow
a
private
drive
access
off
of
the
primary
frontage,
which
would
be
forest
avenue.
I
So
they
would
be
limited
to
this
western
driveway,
so
they're
proposing
to
widen
this
out.
I
think
you
know
and
that
ali
is
allowed
to
remain
there.
I
think
that
the
traffic
was
willing
to
consider
some
width
of
that
based
on
a
conventional
two-way
traffic
width,
but
they're
proposing
this
with.
I
think
it
relates
to
their
their
loading
function.
I
More
than
anything
that
they're
going
to
make
that
argument.
Traffic's
analysis
of
this
is
that
this
site's
going
to
be
required
to
be
served
by
smaller
service
vehicles
anyway,
based
on
the
turning
movements
provided
but
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
speak
to
that
so
getting
back
to
the.
I
Staff
recommendation
here
so
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
part.
A
staffer
recommends
denial
of
the
requested
design,
alternatives
in
part
b,
d
e
and
f,
and
I've
described
them
there
and
the.
But
should
the
commission
deny
the
design
alternative
in
part
b,
then
staff
would
recommend
approval
of
the
the
design
alternative
in
part
c,
that's
really
not
not
relevant
anymore,
because
they're
agreeing
to
provide
stormwater
management
and
then
that
last
statement
is
is
that
speaks
to
that
contingency
as
well?
I
So
that's
really
not
in
play
at
this
point,
but
it's
in
the
staff
report
at
this
time.
I
guess,
should
they
decide
to
change
their
decision
on
the
storm
water
management?
That
would
be
our
recommendation,
but
I
think
you're
going
to
hear
from
the
applicant
that
that
that
they're
willing
to
work
towards
that
we
did
not
receive
any
communications
either
in
favor
or
in
opposition.
I
Yeah,
let
me
go
back
and
see
if
I
can
find
that
it's
hard
to
tell
with
the
snow,
so
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
their
as
built.
I
See
if
I
can
zoom
in
maybe
one
there's
a
little
bit
of
green
but
yeah,
essentially,
I
think
it's
you
can
see
asphalt
here.
It's
it's
almost
it's
nearly
a
hundred
percent,
just
to
kind
of
give
you
a
response
to
that
as
well.
The
policy
is
generally
once
it's
reconstructed.
It
starts
out
like
it's
new,
like
green
grass,
so
when
they
remove
all
this
asphalt
and
concrete
to
to
build
this
project
really
they're
obligated
to
meet
meet
the
requirements.
D
Eric
this
is
abby.
I
just
have
a
quick
question.
I
read
this
staff
report
a
couple
days
ago
and
I
can't
seem
to
find
it
right
now.
Is
there?
Was
there
any
mention
in
there
about
the
maximum
and
minimum
parking
requirements
for
this
and
where
they're
at.
I
Yeah,
so
they
they
could
they're
wanting
to
park
it
a
little
bit
more.
I
think.
If
they
removed
a
couple
spaces
they
would
still
be
in
compliance,
so
yeah
I'll.
Let
them
speak
to
that,
though
I
think
parking
is,
is
paramount
for
them.
I
But,
yes,
I
think
we
are
if
they
met
the
impervious
and
provided
those
interior
pieces.
I
think
we
would
we
would
be
able
to
let
them
park
it
at
that.
I
think
their
preference
is
to
get
the
spaces
that
they
can.
A
This
is
dory.
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
eric.
G
Hello,
eric
it's
greg
refresh
by
memory.
Is
there
street
parking
in
front
of
it
right
there
or
not.
I
There
is,
there
is
some
limitation
to
the
street
parking
on
forest
during
the
afternoon
commute
time.
N
I
So
you
can
see
the
parking
allowed
on
the
west
side
of
32nd
street
you're,
not
seeing
any
parking
on
forest
at
the
moment.
But
you
know
if
you're
familiar
with
this
is
jethro's
right
here.
So
there's
there's
parking
allowed
there,
but
not
in
the
morning.
There's
also
parking
allowed
here,
but
not
in
the
in
the
eve.
You
know
from
four
to
six
so
now
right
now,
there's
not
much
in
front
of
this
site
because
they
have
the
two
existing
driveways,
the
alley
and
another
driver
that
will
go
away,
but
they
would
gain
some.
I
I
I
believe
wally
pelds
is
here
and
I
saw
abby
gilroy
who's
represents
the
owner,
so
I
think
there's
a
few
individuals
that
are
on
the
call
that
can
speak
as
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
or
in
support
of
the
project.
AD
Okay
good
evening,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
commission,
wally
pelds
pelts
design
services,
2323
dixon
street
des
moines,
iowa
503
16..
I
appreciate
you
taking
a
look
at
our
project
and
I
apologize
for
my
coloring
because
I'm
not
very
good
at
it
used
to
computers
doing
it.
I
just
couldn't
get
it
done
in
time.
So
forgive
my
crude
drawing
that's
in
front
of
you,
but
I
did
want
to
emphasize
a
couple
of
things
on
what's
before
you.
AD
First
of
all,
you're
looking
at
a
corner
site,
we
have
added
the
street
tree
planters
along
forest
to
match
the
you
know:
the
dynamic
that's
off
to
the
west
in
that
cross-section
we're
adding
the
green
space.
That's
highlighted
in
pink
along
32nd
street,
which
we
don't
get
credit
for,
because
that
currently
is
mostly
a
gravel
flash
sidewalk
slash
drive
through
in
in
and
out
so
we're.
I
mean
it's
basically
147
foot,
entryway,
east
and
west
on
to
32nd
street.
AD
So
we're
condensing
that,
down
to
that
entrance
on
the
west,
that
you
see
there,
I've
highlighted
some
underground
attention
and
we've
had
to
come
up
with
a
clever
way
of
doing
it,
working
with
the
city's
engineering
staff,
because
there
is
no
outlet.
My
closest
outlet,
I
believe,
is
a
couple
of
blocks
to
the
it's
like
two
or
three
blocks
in
each
direction
is
the
closest
thing,
so
the
feasibility
of
bringing
storm
sewer
up
to
make
it
work
made
it
quite
a
challenge.
AD
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
because
we're
not
able
to
meet
the
green
space
requirement,
we're
happy
to
install
the
underground
detention,
which
would
be
a
chambered
system
which
actually
does
get
you
the
recharge
in
the
ground.
AD
We
have
asked
for
the
parking
stalls,
because
we
know
during
our
delivery
days,
we
can
have
up
to
five
or
six
additional
employees
coming
to
the
store,
because
herein
lies
our
biggest
problem
is
our
delivery.
Trucks
in
I
was
unable
to
track
down
the
traffic
engineer
prior
to
this
commission
meeting.
AD
So
I
apologize
for
that,
but
our
discussions
were,
they
said
well,
just
bring
a
straight
truck
well
in
casey's
fleet,
we
have
no
straight
trucks,
the
trucks
that
we
have
are
51-foot
trailers
that
are
competing
compartmentalized
into
three
sections,
one
being
ambient
temperature,
one,
a
a
freezer
section
and
one
just
a
refrigerated
section.
AD
AD
So
with
those
that's,
they
kind
of
just
stack
on
each
other
yep
and
that's
that's
our
truck
turning
template.
That
is
actually
a
template.
That's
a
little
bit
larger!
AD
AD
Additionally,
for
the
seven
foot
request
which
comes
into
play
in
the
south,
where
it
says
added
in
that
direction,
it's
a
little
bit
lighter
green
color.
AD
I
have
two
and
a
half
feet
of
sidewalk
into
our
property
for
the
six
foot
sidewalk
section
for
the
new
you
know
profile,
so
I
technically
have
seven
feet
from
my
property
line
to
my
curb
just
two
and
a
half
of
it's
eaten
up
by
the
new
sidewalk
section.
So
and
then,
as
I
push
that
curb
more
to
the
north,
it
pushes
my
loading
truck
further
to
the
north
blocking
the
the
access.
So
I
mean
it's
just
a
really
tight
site,
the
other
one
that
we
had.
We
previously
were
talking
about.
AD
Just
putting
in
a
concrete
or
a
painted
curb
up
there
so
where
it
says
added
in
that
middle
section.
Next
to
the
detention
we've
agreed
to
put
some
landscaping
bushes
and
actually
make
that
it.
I
know
it's
not
your
typical
nine
foot
wide,
but
it's
a
it's
an
effort
to
give
as
much
green
space
as
I
possibly
can.
So
in
a
nutshell,
I
think
I've
covered
everything
that
we
talked
about.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have,
and
I
know
this
is
a
difficult
one.
AD
G
G
AD
Yeah
and-
and
I
appreciate
that
comment-
I'm
just
telling
you
at
this
point
in
the
fleet
of
trucks-
there's
not
that
now
and
and
loading
off
of
the
street
I
think
was
possibly
considered,
but
I
think
traffic
was
saying
you
know
it's
not
allowed
right.
Now
they
don't
like
us.
Even
you
know,
unloading,
docks
and
everything
else
backing
out
into
the
street.
So
I'm.
G
I
I
think
my
I
actually
do
have
a
question
as
you're
talking
about
that
do.
Is
there
any
kind
of
outdoor
sitting
area
you
know
say
I
want
some
of
that
famous
pizza
or
I
want
something
when
I
think
of
the
street
in
this
setting
and
the
the
businesses
across
the
street.
G
I
love
how
forest
avenue's
just
kind
of
reinvigorating
on
its
own.
I
mean
a
lot
of
the
headlines.
Are
you
know
on
the
southeast
part
of
drake,
but
has
there
been
any
consideration
to
that?
I
sure
wish
there
was
some.
AD
T
Well,
you,
this
is
johnny
alsavar
along
those
lines
that
this
is
kind
of
a
more
urban
setting.
Is
there
an
actual
need
for
five
additional
parking?
Lots
then,
what's
required,
assuming
that
this
is
not
only
a
very
pedestrian
friendly
corridor,
but
also,
I
believe,
it's
a
dart
line
corridor
as
well.
AD
AD
That's
why
that's
why
we
went
to
that
underground,
because
I'm
I'm
just
I'm
struggling
with
with
making
sure
that
I
mean
the
worst
thing
we
could
do
is
have
people
pull
in
and
have
no
place
to
park
right.
All
the
streets
are
full.
Let's
say
you
know
that
I,
I
think
it's
more
of
an
operations
question,
not
an
engineering
question
on
fro
from
my
end
of
it,
and
I
and
my
client
has
indicated
that
that's
you
know.
AD
We've
tried
to
skinny
this
as
much
as
we
can
and
and
that's
why
we're
asking
for
the
exceptions
that
we
are.
I
mean
we
were
pretty
candid
since
the
beginning,
including
from
the
zoning.
I
think
our
concept
has
shown
this
since
day
one
and
we
knew
there
would
be
challenges,
but
being
that
this
is
such
a
unique
site.
Being
that
it's
a
you
know,
it's
a
rebuild
within
that
corridor.
AD
I
think
there's
there's
some
design
elements
that
we've
done
along
forest
avenue
that
we
don't
have
the
seating
space,
but
I'm
sure
somebody's
gonna
sit
on
that
retaining
wall
with
the
steps
in
front
of
the
store
and
eat
the
pizza
greg.
Maybe
that's
a
spot.
I
could
put
a
stool
up
there
or
something,
but
it's
it
looks
like
you
know,.
AD
I
don't
know
where
to
go
after
more
green
space
at
this
point.
If,
if
it
came
down
to
it,
maybe
I
could
find
one
space
and
I
say
maybe,
but
realistically
I'm
I
think,
with
the
offset
of
the
detention
you
know,
eliminating
a
space
saves
me
money
putting
in
the
detention
costs
us
money,
but
I
I
understand
where
staff
is
coming
from
on
this
site,
because
it's
it's
just
a
challenge.
It's
definitely
a
challenge.
So
hopefully
I
answered
your
question.
A
If
not,
are
there
any
other
speakers
who
wish
to
speak
in
support
of
this
request.
N
I
There
is
eric
nichol
with
casey's
and
abby
gilroy
with
nbc.
I
think
eric
nicholl
would
represent
the
applicant.
I
AE
Hello,
this
is
eric
nichol
with
casey
general
stores,
3305
southeast
delaware,
avenue
anyhow
at
five
zero,
zero,
two
one.
I
don't
need
to
speak
too
much
over
what
wally's
already
said.
I
think
it's
just
a
couple
of
items.
You
know
this
is
the
smallest
building.
We
have
you
know.
We've
we've
taken
a
lot
of
thought
in
regard
to
the
number
of
parking
stalls
that
we
you
know
want.
I
guess
the
biggest
thing
with
that,
I'm
not
trying
to
take
on
street
parking.
You
know
for
either
neighboring
properties.
AE
You
know
just
to
have
them
be
upset.
For
that
reason,
but
anywhere
from
let's
say
five
to
six
and
on
busy
unloading
days,
you
know
we
could
have
six
to
eight
employees.
You
know
staffing
a
typical
store,
so
I
mean
that
right
there
we're
going
to
eat
up
half
of
our
parking
pretty
much
on
a
regular
basis.
So
that's
kind
of
why
we've
kind
of
came
to
this
compromise
from
our
original
design.
We've
lost
a
stall
or
two.
AE
You
know
as
we
as
wally
suggested,
and
we
kind
of
came
up
with
the
compromise
that
there's
not
attention
remote
or
you
know
they're
very
remote.
You
know
like
two
and
a
half
three
blocks.
You
know
the
right
way
to
get
to
it's
almost
impossible
or
impractical
from
a
cost
perspective,
and
so
I
guess
you
know
we
just
like
to
to
know
that
all
these
kind
of
design
alternatives,
kind
of
go
hand
in
hand
specifically
in
regard
to
the
parking.
I
know
we
had
some
neighborhood
meetings
up
front.
AE
AE
You
know
just
because
you
know
during
the
summer
yeah
you
might
walk,
but
during
the
winter
and
they'll
inclement
weather,
you
know
people
are
gonna
drive,
so
I
mean
we're
just
trying
to
be
cognizant.
I
mean,
I
think
the
12
was
a
requirement
we
went
to
17
like
we
were
at
18..
AE
So
just
you
know
one
kind
of
just
to
reiterate
that,
so
not
that
we're
not
trying
to
strong-arm
the
city,
I
mean
we're.
You
know,
as
wally
said,
you
know,
we're
trying
to
work
with
them
on
other
aspects
kind
of
offset
where
we're
at,
but
this
is
kind
of
just
the
bare
bones
that
we
think
we
can
get
get
away
with
and
make
this
you
know
feasible
I'll
leave
it
at.
A
I
L
All
right,
great,
the
abby
gilroy
with
neighborhood
development,
corporation
2331,
university
avenue
and
just
wanted
to
pop
on
briefly
wally
did
a
nice
job,
as
did
eric
to
kind
of
explain
where
the
project
has
landed.
Since
we
were
here
last,
I
did
want
to
say
appreciate
what
the
team
has
done.
The
compromises
that
casey's
has
made
to
make
this
project
work.
We
want
to
see
this
type
of
investment
in
the
neighborhood.
L
The
neighbors
were
very
excited
to
have
this
market
here,
and
the
services,
the
pizza
and
and
all
the
convenience
items
that
we
all
love
so
very
much
appreciate
the
support
so
far
in
the
project,
as
well
as
the
compromises
from
casey's
team.
So
for
us,
that's
all,
I
really
have
to
say
I
think
eric
touched
on
it
with
the
parking
that
was
just
really
important
to
the
neighborhood.
We
obviously
have
a
lot
of
congestion
in
this
area
and
trying
to
contain
it
on
site
as
much
as
possible
would
be
ideal.
L
There
is
some
parking
on
forest,
like
eric
pointed
out,
but
some
other
busiest
times
or
during
the
times
that
that
that
parking
isn't
allowed.
So
that's
just
something
to
kind
of
think
about
as
well.
So
that's
all
I
have
for
you,
but
I
am
here
if
there
are
any
questions
for
our
organization
in
regards
to
the
project
thanks
so
much
for
your
time
on
this.
A
Thank
you
abby.
If
there
are
no
other
speakers
in
support,
are
there
any
speakers
in
opposition
to
the
request.
W
I
think
it's
basically
allowing
everything,
although
I
think
he
showed
some
green
space
in
some
of
those
islands
that
weren't
there
before
so
that
may
get
rid
of
some.
So
maybe
staff
has
to
help
say
what
wally's
proposal
doesn't
agree.
P
A
P
Could
you
help
with
madam
chair
so.
I
You
know
I
think
casey's
is
still
asking
for
all
the
elements.
What
they've
sort
of
offered
since
the
staff
report
went
out,
was
to
provide
detention.
So
that's
really
not
anything
being
requested
to
be
waived
at
this
point,
I
should
point
out
that,
just
because
there's
not
storm
sewer
adjoining
in
the
public
street
network,
we
we
have
solutions
on
small
sites
where
we
can
allow
release
at
the
curb
for
smaller
volumes
where
it
isn't
problematic.
You
know
we're
not
creating
any
fountains,
given
the
amount
of
volume
that
we're
talking
about.
I
So
you
know
there
is
a
design
solution
to
provide
the
detention
so
they've
offered
that
taking
that
off
the
table.
I
think
that
what
you
heard
from
the
engineer,
wally
pelds,
was
that
they're
very
close
to
being
making
up
the
difference
of
that
impervious
condition.
That's
part
of
the
intent
of
why
we
want
impervious.
I
mean
there's,
there's
a
couple
reasons
why
we
want
impervious.
It's
also
shading,
and
you
know
the
landscaping
softening
of
the
site,
but
they're,
not
totally
devoid
of
of
of
landscaping,
so
really
they're,
still
asking
essentially
for
everything.
I
They're
they're
very
adamant
about
their
their
service
model
for
servicing
the
site
with
trucks.
So
that
seems
to
be
the
main
piece
of
this
here.
I
think
it's
a
good
thing
that
we're
getting
detention
in
lieu
of
maybe
some
of
the
lack
of
pervious
surfaces
that
we
would
normally
get
on
a
site.
But
and
again
I
think
they've
they've
focused
on
the
fact
that
this
is
still
a
big
difference
from
the
current
condition
of
the
site.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
helps
greg
or
not.
I
I
Staff
recommends
a
so
I
would
assume
it's
staff
on
that
part
and
then
we're
recommending
denial
of
parts
b,
d,
e
and
f
they're,
asking
to
have
those
still
approved
c,
isn't
part
of
it
in
until
b
would
be
denied.
But
now,
if
you're
looking
to
prove
b
c,
doesn't
even
come
into
play,
plus
they're
they're
agreeing
to
meet
c
anyway.
So
that's
off
the
table
so
right
now,
they're
they're,
asking
for
a
b
b
e
and
f
staff
is
in
concurrence
with
a.
I
guess.
N
I
That's
this
one
right
here,
so
that
normally
would
be
a
full
sized
with
a
tree
planting
so
they're
saying
that
their
turning
movements
aren't
going
to
let
that
work
for
them.
W
I
I
T
Well,
eric
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
here,
but
the
concern
there
is
that,
with
the
delivery
trucks
making,
those
turns
will
potentially
just
destroy
that
little
planter
that's
being
proposed.
There.
I
I
I'm
not
sure
that
gains
us
a
whole
lot
to
be
honest
with
you,
but
they're
offering
it
at
this
point,
but
it
still
wouldn't
qualify
as
what
we
call
the
end
end
cap.
So
you
would
still
need
to
waive
that
and
they're
actually
meeting
that
setback
here,
like
he
said,
but
part
of
it
is,
is.
I
I
Does
that
help
out
greg,
I'm
gonna
go
back
to
the.
J
Greg
this
is
jason
vanessa.
If
you're
struggling
with
how
to
word
a
motion,
you
might
also
just
suggest
granting
the
relief
needed
to
approve
the
design
as
presented
tonight.
That
might
be
another
way
in
the
to
ensure
that
everything's
covered.
If,
if
you
are
inclined
to
be
supportive
of
what
they
presented
tonight,.
B
B
Steve
wallace,
yes,
carolyn
jennison,
yes,
francis
boggess,
yes,
greg!
What's
yeah,
yes,
greg
jones,
yes,
abby
chungus,.
K
A
Thank
you,
everyone
we're
now
ready.
We
have
two
items
remaining:
we're
ready
for
item
number
10,
a
request
from
p
a
investments
llc
represented
by
sarah
hopkins
to
review
an
approval
of
a
public
hearing,
site
plan,
hopkins
development
to
allow
reno
for
property
located
at
37206
avenue,
and
I
believe,
jason's
handling.
This
item.
J
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
This
is
jason
van
ness
and
with
staff.
This
is
a
site
plan
for
a
property
on
sixth
avenue.
We
got
some
waiver
requests,
just
you
know
quickly
I'll
I'll
run
through
and
we
can
circle
back
to
this
list
if
we
need
to
a
waiver
of
the
parking
the
building
covers
the
entire
site.
So
that's
what
is
pushing
that
waiver
bike
rack
requirement?
The
applicants
actually
updated
their
proposal
and
is
now
asking
or
proposing
to
do.
A
bike.
Rack
so
b
could
be
struck.
J
C
is
a
waiver
of
the
canopy
requirement?
The
original
proposal
didn't
include
any
street
trees.
Therefore,
the
canopy
tree
camping
coverage
requirement
could
be
met
I'll
dive
into
that
a
little
bit.
There's
kind
of
an
update
for
that
with
applicant
part
d
is
this
is
a
corner
lot
with
frontage
on
douglas
and
six
and
our
landscaping
standards
for
a
setting
of
this
type
and
a
building.
This
type
would
have
class
a
walks
on
both
streets
with
street
trees.
J
E
is
the
waiver,
the
underground
or
underground
utilities.
There's
overhead
lines
applicants
made
that
request,
and
then
there
is
a
rooftop
mechanical
that
exists
on
the
building
that
isn't
screened
on
the
west
side.
Just
to
help
help
focus
in
highlighted
on
the
map
is
the
subject
property.
It's
on
the
southwest
corner
of
the
intersection
of
douglas
avenue,
sixth
avenue
kind
of
the
northern
end
of
the
commercial
district
there
in
highland
park
oak
park,
neighborhoods.
J
J
J
J
So,
just
just
to
make
sure
we're
on
the
same
page,
I'll
go
ahead
and
walk
through
this
and
then
I'll
just
comment
on
what
they
what
changes
they've
made.
So
on
part
a
we
are
recommending
approval
of
the
type
1
design
alternative
to
waive
the
minimum
on
street
parking
requirements.
J
The
reason
this
ended
up
on
the
agenda
is
at
the
time
you
know
we
were
making
our
early
decisions.
We
thought
that
there
was
an
opportunity
for
them
to
go.
Look
for
some
shared
parking
agreement
or
arrangements
for
parking
in
the
vicinity.
J
We
recognized
that
the
building
covers
the
entire
site,
but
there
is
the
ability
in
the
code
to
have
shared
parking.
I
understand
they
have
spent
some
time.
Looking
into
that,
I
don't
know
how
successful
they've
been.
Certainly
sarah
and
our
team
can
answer
provide
an
update
on
that,
but
we
were
recommending
waiver
of
that
subject
to
shared
parking
agreement
for
off
off-site
parking
to
the
satisfaction.
Excuse
me
of
the
planning,
urban
design
administrator
and
then
on
b,
which
is
the
bike
parking
they
they're
going
to
provide
that.
J
J
It
is
a
type
one
level
and
staff
could
sort
that
out.
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
too
worried
about
c
d
is
the
class
a
walk
with
street
tree
requirements.
We
are
supportive.
You
know
douglas
avenue
that
the
walk
on
the
north
there,
you
know
that
transitions
into
residential,
pretty
quick,
we
think
a
standard
walk
with
grass
would
be
appropriate
there.
J
There
is
the
overhead
line
if
the
line,
if
the
commission
does
uphold
the
requirement
to
have
that
buried,
there
would
be
ability
to
provide
one
or
two
overhead
or
excuse
me
overstory
trees.
If
that
is
waved
there,
there
is
enough
space
for
one
ornamental
tree.
We
would
look
for
that
on
on
douglas
on
6th
avenue.
J
We
are
asking
or
suggesting
that
be
a
class,
a
walk
with
the
tree
wells.
The
applicant
is
agreeable
to
that,
so
I
won't
won't
spend
time
on
the
rationale
for
why
we
believe
that's
important.
The
difference.
There
is
they're
suggesting
just
doing
one
tree
more,
the
southern
in
a
southern
bed
and
then
the
northern
bed
being
just
grasses
or
some
sort
of
other
plantings,
they're
they're.
J
In
the
past,
we
had
concerns
with
trees
and
vision
clearance
triangles,
but
as
we've
progressed
and
worked
with
our
engineering
staff,
we've
come
to
the
conclusion
that
trees
really
aren't
any
different
than
street
poles,
and
so
I
believe,
as
an
opportunity
to
do
the
two
trees
I
we
could
work
with
the
applicant
to
adjust
where
they
sit.
So
if
there's
needs
to
react
to
architecture
of
the
building,
I
know
she's
proposing
a
fair
amount
of
glass.
You
know
we
could
work
with
that.
Another
alternative
would
be
to
look
at
the
shape
of
the
tree.
J
You
know
maybe
a
narrower
growth
tree.
Maybe
one
of
them
could
be
of
that
nature
and
the
other
one's
more
of
a
shade
tree.
But
I
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
to
work
there
and
I'm
happy
to
kind
of
sort
that
out
with
applicant
if
the
the
commission's
supportive
of
that
and
then
part
f
would
be
the
waiver,
the
rooftop
mechanical,
and
I
I
believe
I
just
skipped
over
ee-
I
apologize.
He
is
the
underground
of
the
utilities.
J
When
we
wrote
the
report
we
didn't
have
we
had
a
figure
and
I've
since
learned
that
we
didn't
actually
have
all
the
numbers
of
the
cost
estimates,
but
we
also
didn't
know
the
project
totals,
and
it
was
really
hard
for
us
to
look
at
how
much
you
know
what
what
would
that
represent
the
project
budget.
So
I
know
the
applicant
has
put
together
some
information
on
that
to
kind
of
share
with
the
commission
of
the
magnitude
of
the
costs
as
it's
how
it's
proportional
to
their
project.
J
I
I
think
what
we're
looking
for
with
staff
is
to
have
that
dialogue
with
the
applicant
and
the
commission
and
kind
of
work
on
that
together
and
then
getting
back
to
part
f,
that's
the
rooftop
mechanical
screening.
We
believe
there's
an
opportunity
to
screen
it
on
that
side.
I
think
that
they
have
some
information
on
how
that
would
impact
them,
and
we
can
have
that
discussion
too.
J
A
A
P
Jason,
this
is
rocky
just
a
quick
question.
We
were
talking
about
the
trees.
I
think
early
on.
You
made
a
comment
about
how
the
applicant
was
suggesting
putting
one
tree
in,
and
you
thought
you
could
work
with
that
and
then
it
sounded
like
you
went
the
other
direction
and
said
hey.
We
expect
him
to
have
two
trees.
Can
you
give
me
clarification
on
that
sure
yeah.
J
I
believe
that
you
can
get
two
trees
in
there
and
that's
what
I
would
recommend.
I
think
the
the
the
part
of
working
with
them
would
be
to
adjust
if
we
need
to
look
at
a
different
tree
species
to
react
to
the
architecture
of
the
building
or
maybe
shift
the
trees
around
in
the
bed.
If
there
was
particular
elements
that
they
were
wanting
to
try
to
block,
not
block,
that's
what
I
meant
by
working
with
them.
T
Jason,
this
is
johnny.
I
have
a
question
just
to
make
sure
I'm
up
to
date
here
a
b
and
c
should
no
longer
be
considered.
Is
that
what
you
mentioned?
As
far
as
that
has
been
taken
care
of
essentially.
J
Well,
a
I
we
need
to
hear
back
from
them.
I
I
know
that
they
were
working
to
try
to
see
if
they
could
find
somebody
to
partner
with
on
parking.
I
don't
know
if
they've
been
successful,
so
I
think
we
need
to
hear
from
them
b.
Yes,
we
could
strike
b
because
they're
proposing
to
do
that
and
then
see
yeah.
I
I
think
you
could
consider
that
what
they're
proposing
with
the
one
tree
would
address
that
as
well.
J
AF
Thank
you
very
much
eric
cannon
2727
southwest
thunder
boulevard
on
behalf
of
snyder
and
associates
civil
engineer
on
the
project.
I
don't
know
if
you
could
pop
back
to
the
site
plan,
it
kind
of
shows
the
proposed
layout.
I
think
that's
a
good
one,
I'll
talk
from
and
I'll
try
to
be
brief
here
that
I
know
sarah
has
a
presentation
prepared
to
kind
of
walk
through
things
in
a
little
more
detail,
but
appreciate
everybody's
efforts
and
staff's
willing
to
work
with
us
on
this.
AF
One
thing
I
do
want
to
note
this
is
a
remodel
project.
It's
not
new
construction,
so
it
really
does
kind
of
change
the
character
of
the
proposed
project,
the
budget
and
then
the
feasibility
of
it.
So
that
is
something
that
needs
to
be
taken
into
consideration.
It's
also
a
vacant
building.
That's
that's
been
vacant.
For
many
many
years,
there's
a
developer,
a
local
developer,
that's
finally
willing
to
make
a
major
investment
in
the
neighborhood.
So
I
think
those
things
are
all
important
parking
is
touched
on.
There
was
efforts
made.
AF
I
know
sarah
will
talk
about
some
of
the
specific
property
owners
being
in
the
neighborhood,
but
it
was
effort
made
to
reach
out
to
some
of
the
adjacent
lots
that
are
privately
held.
No
one
was
willing
to
commit
spaces
from
a
lease
did
kind
of
all
say
hey
if
somebody
parks
there.
We
understand
that,
but
you
know
the
actual
dedication
of
that
was
going
to
be
a
challenge.
AF
So
I
think
one
thing
to
note
is:
we
do
have
on-street
parking
on
sixth
available,
I'm
adjacent
to
the
site,
as
well
as
on
the
north
side
of
douglas
there.
So
there
is
ample
on
street
parking,
given
the
neighborhood
and
the
the
amount
of
parking
that
is
available
on
the
private
lots
of
json,
so
bnc
we
did
touch
on
and
you
are
correct,
but
even
one
tree
would
meet
the
canopy
coverage
requirement
on
c.
So
I
think
that
one's
addressed
when
it
comes
to
the
streetscape.
AF
One
thing
I
would
note
is
this:
property
only
has
50
feet
of
frontage.
The
way
the
code
reads
is
one
tree:
every
30
feet.
So
if
you
come
30
feet
off
the
corner
and
put
a
tree
in,
I
guess
that's
part
of
the
reason
we
feel
the
code
is
met.
I'm
gonna
know
that's
a
little
bit
of
interpretation.
AF
Also,
as
noted
on
here,
you'll
see
that
hatched
area
is
the
vision
clearance
triangle.
I
know
staff
and
traffic's
taking
a
little
bit
different
approach
here,
but
I
do
feel
you
know
forcing
a
tree
up
into
that
corner.
There
is
some
reality
to
the
fact
of
having
a
tree
right
there.
The
building
already
sits
up
against
the
corner.
Vision
is
going
to
be
hard.
AF
Sixth
avenue
is
a
fairly
busy
street,
as
you
know,
from
a
transportation
standpoint,
so
I
just
you
know
the
thought
being
any
effort
to
not
impede
that
vision
any
more
than
we
have
to
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
the
reality
is
her.
You
know
her
business
is
going
to
be
four
to
ceiling
glass
and
we'd
like
to
take
every
opportunity
to
present
that
that
space
as
much
as
possible
to
the
public
and
the
patrons
the
class
a
sidewalk.
They
are
totally
in
agreement
with
that.
AF
I
think
that
makes
a
ton
of
sense,
and
you
know
the
waiver
of
the
overhead
electric
on
six
would
also
around
douglas,
would
would
kind
of
impede
the
ability
to
put
any
trees
there.
So
that's
why
the
waiver
is
is
being
made
on
douglas
the
underground
electric
component.
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that's
understood.
AF
There
are
really
three
components
there,
there's
overhead
electric
lines
running
along
douglas,
there's
also
the
existing
wood
pole
and
fixture
on
douglas
and
then
the
overhead
electric
service
from
the
pole
into
the
building,
as
jason
mentioned,
and
the
staff
report,
it
notes
thirty
thousand
dollars.
That
is
only
for
a
portion
of
that.
The
total
for
those
is
actually
forty,
seven
thousand
dollars
the
total
project
budget,
as
it
sits
right
now,
is
294
000.
So
this
would
represent
roughly
16
percent
of
the
total
project
budget,
which
really
makes
the
project
unfeasible
for
the
developers.
AF
We
are
also
looking
at
a
residential
neighborhood
to
the
west
here
and
to
know
the
ability
of
that
to
redevelop
and
those
lines
to
go
underground
is,
I
would
say,
very
very
slim,
and
I
think
it
keeps
in
harmony
with
the
existing
character
of
the
neighborhood
to
the
west,
the
last
item
being
the
rooftop
screening.
AF
This
is
an
existing
condition,
as
you
can
see
in
the
photo
on
the
screen
right
now.
There
is
a
parapet
wall
on
both
douglas
and
six
that
you
know
blocks
all
of
that.
It's
only
in
this
condition
where
you're
heading
eastbound
on
douglas
from
the
neighborhood,
where
you're
going
to
see
some
of
this
existing
equipment
on
the
roof.
AF
So,
given
the
the
character,
the
neighborhood,
the
existing
condition
and
the
property
owner
of
the
west,
we
would
request
that
that
also
be
considered
so
appreciate
your
guys's
time.
On
this
I
know
sarah
has
a
presentation
she'd
like
to
walk
through
as
well,
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
for
you.
A
If
there
are
no
further
questions,
could
we
hear
from
sarah.
AA
Hi
everyone,
sarah
hopkins,
my
address
is
3211
wakanda
court.
Thank
you
so
much
for
listening
tonight.
I
know
it's
late,
so
I
appreciate
you
hanging
in
there.
I
wanted
to
walk
through
a
little
bit
about
my
vision
for
this
to
help.
You
understand
why
the
waivers
are
so
incredibly
important
for
me
to
follow
through
with
this
project.
AA
And
we'll
kind
of
skip
through
here,
because
this
is
really
eric-
has
covered
on
a
lot
of
it.
So
you
can
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
next
one,
but
I
grew
up
in
douglas
acres,
which
is
a
neighborhood
just
east
of
highland
park,
but
my
grandma
lived
in
the
neighborhood,
so
I
spent
a
lot
of
my
childhood
going
to
union
park.
Chuck's
aqualand
highland
park
bakery
so
to
see
all
of
the
neighborhood
revitalization
happening.
AA
It
really
really
made
me
want
to
pick
this
neighborhood
to
have
my
business.
I
have
always
had
a
dream
of
having
a
neighborhood
real
estate
office,
and
I
want
to
be
the
first
place
that
people
go
to
so
that
I
can
show
them
how
great
this
area
of
town
is.
There's
nobody,
that's
a
bigger
cheerleader
than
myself
for
showing
people
the
amazing
opportunities
to
live
in
this
city,
and
I
love
this
street
for
the
fact
that
we
can
take
clients
to
the
new
coffee
shop
across
the
road
to
write
contracts.
AA
We
can
go
celebrate
with
pizza
and
beer
at
chuck's
afterwards.
Next
slide,
the
total
needed
to
make
this
is
294
000,
and
that
is
not
including
the
acquisition
costs
so
to
bury
the
mid-american
lines.
It
truly
does
make
this
project
unfeasible
with
all
of
the
requirements
that
have
been
done
up
to
this
point.
We
really
every
penny
matters
and
if
the
waivers
are
not
issued,
unfortunately,
I
do
not
think
I
will
be
able
to
move
forward
with
this
project
next
slide.
AA
AA
I
have
continued
to
be
a
champion
for
our
neighborhoods
and
I
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
efforts
to
strengthen
our
city,
so
the
revitalization
of
the
highland
park
oak
park
has
been
really
impressive
and
inspiring
to
watch
one
way
to
enhance
the
success
of
the
commercial
side
of
highland
park
oak
park.
Revitalization
is
to
also
strengthen
the
residential
parts
of
the
neighborhood.
AA
As
a
realtor,
I
want
to
have
an
active
role
in
educating
and
guiding
homeowners
home
buyers
to
explore
this
neighborhood
located
on
6th
avenue.
This
building
will
improve
curb
appeal
and
the
streetscape
for
anyone.
Looking
to
move
to
this
neighborhood
with
my
real
estate
team
housed
here,
we
can
also
bridge
the
gap
in
educating
marketing
and
promoting
the
lifestyle
and
appeal
to
homeowners,
searching
for
a
new
place
to
call
home
with
all
the
commercial
renovations
and
new
shops
in
the
neighborhood.
AA
This
is
a
perfect
place
to
invest
my
business
in
this
really
is
about
so
much
more
than
just
my
building.
It's
about
connecting
the
dots
to
a
cohesive
neighborhood
that
is
thriving
and
full
of
life.
The
waivers
I
am
requesting
truly
are
necessary
to
make
this
project
happen
next
slide,
as
eric
touched
on
earlier.
AA
AA
For
the
15
canopy,
you
know
this:
isn't
that
big
of
a
deal
it's
really
more
down
to
aesthetics,
and
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
I
can
show
you
what
I
mean
we're
we're
going
to
have
the
exterior
space
really
be
an
extension
of
the
office.
I
want
this
to
be
a
very,
very
neighborhood
real
estate
office.
AA
AA
AA
AA
This
is
the
big
one.
These
are
the
mid-american
power
lines.
It
really
is
the
biggest
expense
of
anything
in
the
project,
and
I
think
it
really
would
set
the
precedent
to
any
small
business
owner
that
if
they
want
to
come
into
these
neighborhoods
and
be
able
to
be
a
part
of
the
revitalization,
you
know
all
of
the
programs
such
as
invest
dsm
really
are
powered
on
the
willingness
to
want
to
increase
the
neighborhood
vitality
through
small
businesses.
AA
So
if,
if
you're
going
to
make
people
like
me,
who
truly
cannot
afford
to
have
these
mid-american
lines,
buried,
you're
going
to
get
big
corporations
such
as
dollar
general-
that,
quite
frankly,
we
already
have
enough
of
throughout
the
city
and
don't
necessarily
add
to
the
livability
of
the
neighborhood
that
we're
looking
for.
So
I'm
really
really
hoping
that
you
will
consider
waving
this.
I
think,
with
all
of
the
other
lines
that
are
still
going
to
be
above
it
it's
not
going
to
matter.
AA
AA
A
few
more
reasons
I
just
think
encouraging
small
business
development.
Many
of
these
requirements
just
simply
are
not
feasible
for
small
businesses
like
myself
traffic
breeds
traffic.
My
business
is
going
to
make
it
easy
for
people
to
buy
and
sell
here
it's
going
to
give
more
opportunities
to
support
the
other
small
businesses
that
are
in
the
neighborhood,
and
this
building
really
will
be
a
huge
improvement
along
sixth
avenue
and
not
burying
those
mid-american
lines
will
have
little
impact
on
the
overall
curb
appeal
last
slide.
AA
This
is
a
rendering
of
what
the
inside
will
look
like.
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
your
time.
This
has
obviously
been
a
very,
very
long
project.
I've
been
under
contract
for
seven,
almost
eight
months
and
as
a
first-time
developer
to
this,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
my
team
because
they
have
definitely
got
me
through
it,
and
I
appreciate
you
listening
to
this
and
hope
that
you
will
consider
the.
J
We
have
abby
gilroy
I'll,
go
ahead
and
meet
yourself
abby,
okay,.
L
Abby
gilroy
here
again
with
neighborhood
development,
corporation
2331
university
and
just
wanted
to
speak
in
support
of
the
project.
Our
organization's
been
working
with
sarah
and
her
team,
providing
some
technical
assistance
to
help
her
bring
this
project
to
fruition.
L
You
may
or
may
not
know,
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
and
funding
along
with
the
city
of
des
moines
and
investia
seminar-
partnership
here
on
sixth
avenue,
just
a
little
bit
south
of
here
doing
the
highland
park,
bakery
des
moines
mercantile
store,
chuck's
is
underway
now,
so
a
lot
of
effort
has
gone
into
this
quarter,
so
we
are
thrilled
to
see
small
business
already
looking
in
the
neighborhood
to
revitalize
some
of
these
empty
store
fronts,
we
want
to
see
these
storefronts
full
again.
We
want
vibrancy.
L
We
want
people
working
down
here
living
down
here,
like
sarah
said
going
to
get
coffee
going
to
grab
pizza
over
lunch
or
after
work.
That's
that's
kind
of
the
the
environment
we
need
to
create,
and
so,
when
we
started
getting
into
this
process,
these
things
started
to
add
up
very
quickly.
Something
of
the
scale
for
a
small
business
owner
to
absorb
is
very
difficult,
and
what
I
don't
want
to
see
happen
is
that
the
waivers
are
not
approved
and
she
has
to
go
elsewhere
with
this
project.
L
We
have
a
lot
of
momentum
here
and
we've
got
some
investment
like,
like
sarah
happening,
that
I
want
to
make
sure
we
retain
these
businesses
in
our
des
moines
neighborhoods.
We
need
them
so
so
badly
to
stay.
So
I
just
wanted
to
to
voice
that,
and
hopefully
we
can
all
come
to
some
compromise
tonight
and
and
see
her
project
to
fruition.
I
think
we'd
all
be
happy
to
see
what
she's
proposing
versus
what's
there
today.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say
about
it.
J
E
Hear
me:
yes,
okay,
great
yeah,
my
name
is
dean
meester.
I
live
at
621
douglas,
I'm
actually
in
the
notification
area,
I'm
a
total
of
a
half
a
block
from
the
property.
I
was
very
excited
to
receive
the
notice,
actually
that
someone
was
going
to
redevelop
the
parcel
so
glad
to
have
sarah
in
the
neighborhood.
I'm
just
glad
to
hear
some
of
the
changes
that
she
outlined
earlier.
E
I
was
going
to
push
back
on
some
of
these
things,
but
it
sounds
like
she's
already
addressed
they're
already
addressing
everything
I
was
concerned
about
so
I'll
just
say.
I
fully
support
the
waiver
of
the
on-site
parking
even
as
a
person
who's
likely
to
have
some
of
her
clients
parking
in
front
of
my
house.
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
There's
plenty
of
on-street
parking
in
the
neighborhood
she's
welcome.
I
think
she
should
get
that
waiver.
I'm
glad
to
hear
she's
willing
to
put
in
the
bike
rack
glad
he
sounds
like.
E
I
would
like
to
see
a
tree
or
two
on
sixth
avenue
and
I
fully
respect
her
concerns
about
the
cost
with
bearing
the
utility
ground
utility
wires
for
e
item
e,
and
I
I'd
support
that
waiver
as
well.
I
don't
think
that
that's
a
reasonable
cost
to
stick
on
her
and
I
can
see
those
rooftop
mechanicals
from
my
front
porch,
like
I
said,
I'm
slightly
higher
than
her
with
the
elevation
and
like
a
half
a
block
away.
I
have
no.
E
I
have
no
desire
to
see
her
spend
twelve
thousand
dollars
just
screen,
mechanicals
that
I
could
not
care
about
having
to
see
so,
I
think
waving,
that
is
perfectly
vegetables
as
well,
so
I'm
actually
completely
excited
about
the
project
and,
like
I
said,
the
only
thing
based
on
what
was
presented
tonight.
The
only
thing
I
would
say
is:
I
really
hope
you
get
a
tree
or
two
one,
sixth
avenue
and
other
than
that
everything
it
sounds
like
they're
about
to
do
sounds
great.
So
that's
it.
J
Next,
dory,
I'm
gonna
jb
conlan.
If
you
want
to
unmute
yourself.
S
Thank
you,
jay
jason.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I've
seen
that
building
for
years
and
years
and
years
be
so
dilapidated,
shopped
and
had
pizza,
chucks
and
used
to
go
to
the
haunted
house
across
the
street
used
to
go
into
the
pet
store
around
the
corner,
so
know
the
area.
Well,
I
would
really
love
to
see
this
developed.
S
I
can't
think
of
anything
else
that
would
go
hand
in
hand
with
bringing
values
up
in
in
the
neighborhood
and
that
revitalization,
as
abby
talked
about.
So
I
think
this
is
a
fantastic
pro
pro
project
and
the
waiver
should
be
granted.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
any
other
speakers,
jason.
A
Okay,
are
there
any
anyone
present
who
wishes
to
speak
in
opposition
to
this
request.
A
Okay,
thank
you
any
questions
from
the
commission
for
the
city
staff
at
this
time.
A
If
not,
we
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
the
commissioners.
What's
your
desire
at
this
point.
AC
Oh,
this
is
francis
bogger
speaking,
and
I
just
think
that
this
project
should
be
applauded,
like
other
projects
that
are
revitalizing
commercial
districts
in
urban
neighborhoods,
just
like
the
infield
housing
projects
and
these
renovations
of
dilapidated
buildings,
I
believe
that
our
rules
and
regulations
for
planning
on
zoning
are
important,
but
when
you
have
to
balance
it
with
this,
we
with
the
projects
that
are
coming
up,
we
have
to
look
at
feasibility
and
what
they
bring
to
the
neighborhood.
AC
I
just
think
that
should
be
taken
into
consideration
that
would
support
granting
the
pro
the
waivers
asked
for,
especially
since
the
fencing,
so
that
someone
who
did
show
up
is
not
opposed
to
it.
I
think
we
could
they
can
negotiate
regarding
the
one
or
two
trees
on
douglas
avenue.
R
So
the
the
motion,
let
me
ask
francis
the
the
motion
includes,
then
the
waiver
of
the
underground
utilities.
AC
J
The
this
is
jason
staff.
The
only
thing
I
francis,
if
you
could
clarify
you,
mentioned
one
to
two
trees.
Could
you
guys
give
us
a
little
direction.
W
J
On
on
part
d,
the
only
thing
that
the
applicant
is
requesting
now
is
waiver
of
the
class,
a
walk
on
douglas
and
then
waiver
of
the
tree
requirement
on
douglas
and
then
one
less
tree
on
on
sixth
avenue.
So
normally
you'd
have
two
trees
on
sixth
avenue
she's
requesting
to
do
just
one.
So
the
other
way
to
look
at
it
is
be.
J
W
J
And
on
the
douglas
side,
if
the
utility's,
a
wave
we'd,
have
space
for
a
one
ornamental.
T
I
think,
along
those
lines,
I
am
in
agreement
as
far
as
whether
it's
two
trees
on
the
douglas
side
or
one
and
one
so
one
tree
on
douglas
and
one
ornamental
tree
on
douglas
sorry,
one
overstory
tree
on
six
and
one
ornamental
and
douglas.
T
But
if
there's
a
way
of
getting
the
two
I
think
applicant
has
a
compromise
to
to
a
lot
of
of
the
things
that
we
have
requested
and
we
should
commend
her
for
that.
G
Miss
greg
I'm
in
support
of
what
greg
and
johnny
have
said.
Maybe
craig
you
could
ask
for
a
friendly
amendment
to
francis.
J
B
D
D
K
A
J
Chair
memphis,
commission,
jason
vanessa
and
playing
staff,
so
the
this
is
a
infill
house
project.
We
have
two
of
requests
for
design
alternatives.
One
is
having
attached
garage
entrance
on
the
front
facade
where
the
house
type
in
this
district
would
normally
require
it
to
be
side,
loaded
or
rear
loaded
and
then
the
other
is
waiver.
The
requirement
for
a
public
sidewalk
go
ahead,
and
this
is
the
subject
property
on
the
south
side
of
herald
avenue.
J
Let
me
see
here
we
go.
Here's
the
building
elevations,
I
see
the
the
proposed
design
has
the
front
loaded
garage
sticking
in
front
of
the
house
off
the
top
my
head.
I
think
it's
proposed
to
be
about
13
feet
out
a
site
plan.
I
did
get
a
emailed
update
from
the
applicant
some
line
drawings.
I
believe
that
here
we
go
all
right.
You
should
be
able
to
see
that
I'll.
Let
him
speak
to
that
when
he
presents,
because
it
looks
a
little
different
than
the
the
drawing
that
came
in
with
our.
J
In
his
request
for
type
or
two
design
alternative
relief,
he
did
provide
some
photographs
of
some
houses
on
both
harold
and
emma
avenues
in
this
particular
area.
I
think
one
thing
to
point
out
is
harold
runs.
Basically,
the
stretch
is
like
five
blocks
long.
It
runs
from
southwest
ninth
to
southwest
14th
street,
so
there's
no
real
cross
streets
and
I'll
touch
on
that
here.
Shortly.
J
Some
photographs
of
the
site
kind
of
area,
the
there
is
a
very
eclectic
mix
of
house
styles
on
this
stretch
of
road,
all
sorts
of
things
running
from
you
know
what
you
see
here
to
some
I
understand
some
brick,
brick
houses
and
just
a
variety
construction.
We
did
look
in
that.
You
know
that
that
five
block
run,
I
mean
our
super
block.
J
There
are
67
houses
along
that
stretch
and
we
did
find
that
seven
of
them
have
attached
garages,
so
the
predominant
character,
even
though
the
style
the
house
is
mixed,
is
a
detached
garage
in
the
rear.
Like
I
said
you,
you
could
also
that
the
stand
by
right,
you
could
do
an
attached
garage
with
either
side
or
we're
loaded.
J
So
those
are
just
kind
of
some
observations
to
share
with
you.
We
have
some
photographs
of
the
houses
that
do
have
the
attached
garage
and
I
think
the
thing
that
we,
the
observation
we
made
that
I
want
to
share
with
you-
is
that
in
these
seven
examples
the
garages
either
are
relatively
flush
with
the
house
or
set
back.
I
think
we
do
have
one
right
here
that
sets
out
three
feet
and
you'll
you'll
see
in
our
staff
recommendation.
J
J
We
were,
we
just
weren't
100
sure
on
staff,
and
we
wanted
to
have
that
conversation
with
you,
like,
I
said,
there's
67,
seven
of
them
have
the
attached
garage
on
the
front,
but
if
the
commission
felt
that
that
was
something
that
fit
the
character
of
the
area,
we
looked
at
this
as
kind
of
a
model
on
on
keeping
that
garage.
J
So
it
doesn't
project
too
far
in
front
of
the
house,
since
the
seven
or
so
that
do
have
an
attached
garage
or
are
fairly
flush
just
getting
to
the
staff
report.
We
also
did
recommend
denial
of
the
sidewalk
waiver.
You
know,
we've
had
a
lot
of
talks
on
on
that
and
both
tonight
and
over
the
last
several
meetings.
I
I
will
note
that
there
is.
J
There
is
not
a
sidewalk
in
this
stretch,
so
this
would
be
the
first
sidewalk
in
and
you
know,
I'm
sure
we'll
continue
to
have
conversations
and
I
was
alluded
to
earlier.
You
know
we
are
trying
to
work
with
the
committee
that's
put
together
and
find
some
solutions.
We
just
haven't
gotten
there.
Yet
this
is
the
response
map
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
A
If
there
are
no
questions
for
jason,
is
the
applicant
present
to
speak.
Y
All
right,
I'm
here
good
evening
again
another
item
on
here
tonight,
so
only
two
items
or
two
issues
on
this
one.
This
first
one's
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
different,
like
jason,
was
saying
there
are
a
lot
of
houses
in
in
this
area
that
have
attached
garages
and
again
to
jason's
point.
This
neighborhood
is
a
wide
variety
of
houses,
styles
and
architecture.
Y
Y
It
slopes
pretty
heavily
to
the
the
north
west
corner,
which
allows
for
us
rolling
the
grade
around
the
picture
that
was
on
there
of
the
separate
site
plan
is
yep
that
one
there
on
west
street.
That
is
the
plan
that
we
did
similar
zoning.
Y
You
know
about
the
same
width
lot.
This
is
our
other
option
essentially
for
us-
and
I
mean
personally
I
would
I
would
take
the
front
load
garage
every
day
over
this.
You
got
a
lot
of
concrete,
not
a
very
functional
backyard
and
it's
the
same
square
footage
house
a
little
bit
larger
garage
in
this
other
plan.
Y
Y
But
yeah,
I
guess
that's
that's
it
for
the
garage
and
then,
as
for
the
sidewalk,
there
are
no
sidewalks
along
herald
between
southwest
9th
and
southwest
14th
that
5
block
range,
and
we
just
if
we
take
anything
to
pnz
we're
going
to
fight
this
sidewalk.
Really
it
just
is
a
for
being
five
foot
wide.
It's
a
extreme
added
cost
that
gets
passed
directly
to
the
homeowner
and
when
there's
no
other
sidewalks
around,
there's
not
really
a
benefit
to
it
for
a
homeowner.
Y
That
is
so
it's
just
added
cost
and
you
know
appraisers,
don't
take
that
into
account
when
appraising
you
know,
I
I
really
understand
this
rule
for
developments
in
greenfield,
but
in
infill,
where
there's
no
sidewalks,
I
just
don't
see
it
fit.
G
Hello,
this
is
greg
yta,
so
are
you
proposing
which
site
plan
I'm
confused.
Y
G
N
A
A
Okay
and
commissioners,
do
we
have
any
additional
questions
for
staff
at
this
time.
G
This
is
greg
yta
I'll.
Just
share
my
two
thoughts
I
I
can
be
supportive
of
not
requiring
the
sidewalk
for
all
the
reasons
that
we
talk
about,
I
think
in
every
single
pnc
meeting,
but
as
for
the
garage,
I
think
the
new
plan
that
he
showed
is
more
in
character
of
this
neighborhood.
I
think
the
garage
door
should
be
back
in
the
back
or
a
detached
garage
and
not
facing
the
street
would
be
my
preference.
A
Thanks,
thank
you
greg
any
other
comments.
W
I
wish
there
was
a
way
to
shove
that
garage
further
back
into
the
house,
and
I
don't
know
if
the
maddens
have
a
plan
to
do
that,
but
I
guess
I'd
I'd.
Allow
both
waivers.
I
mean
that
the
sidewalk
one
we
beat
to
death
so
until
the
committee
and
staff
has
an
answer
to
that.
W
I
think
that
you
know
we're
going
to
go
down
that
path,
but
I
guess
I
I
would
wish
for
a
revised
house
plan
if
there
was
a
way,
but
I
really
don't
I
mean
I
get
the
fact
that
the
neighborhood
has
detached
garages.
I
just
I
think
it's
it's
inefficient,
we're
paving
more
we're
we're
having
more
runoff
because
we're
having
more
paving.
I
I
just
think
it's
contrary
to
what
we
want
to
do.
V
This
is
kayla
bergson.
I
just
have
a
quick
question
in
the
staff
report.
It
notes
that
you
know
right
now.
The
garage
is
projecting
13
feet
from
the
front.
Porch
and
staff
would
potentially
allow
a
three
foot
projection
of
the
garage
from
the
front
porch.
If
that
was
you
know
a
route
we
were
to
pursue.
Does
that
even
does
that?
Does
that
work
with
this
kind
of
house
plan?
J
Sure
I
I
think
the
applicant
would
need
to
probably
look
for
a
new
house
plan
or
or
have
this
one
revised.
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
this
is
one
they've
developed
or
just
purchased.
Our
our
thought
on
that
was.
Is
that
that's
you
know
of
the
houses
of
the
seven
or
so
that
do
have
that
front
loaded
garage
that
they
were
all
flush
set
back,
except
for
there
was
one
that
was
three
feet
out,
and
so
that
was
the
basis
for
that
recommendation.
J
I
I
get
the
impression
that
if
the
this,
their
request
isn't
approved
that
that
their
solution
is
to
do
the
other
alternative
with
the
detached
garage
which
would
be
allowed
by
code
thanks.
D
This
is
abby.
I
also
have
a
quick
question
and
a
comment:
there's
no
setback
issues
with
this
plan,
currently
right,
correct,
okay,
so
another
potential,
I
guess,
workaround,
to
allow
what
the
staff
is
recommending
is
to
potentially
move
the
porch
forward.
D
Again,
I'm
not
sure
how
that
works
with
the
overall
plan
of
the
house,
but
that
would
create
the
three
foot
depth.
Instead
of
moving
the
garage
further
back,
you'd
actually
move
a
portion
of
the
house
outward
to
get
closer
to
the
garage
front,
just
a
suggestion.
I
don't
have
the
full
plans
in
front
of
me,
but
just.
J
Yeah,
I
think
the
challenge
that
that
probably
creates
a
multitude
of
changes
since
the
the
porch
is
covered
by
the
primary
roof
there.
I
don't
think
you
can
see
that.
G
G
AC
Well,
there's
francis
bogger
speaking
again,
in
my
opinion,
I
think
we
might
be
nitpicking
this.
If
someone
driving
down
the
street
will
really,
I
don't
think
they
really
pay
much
attention
to
others.
AC
B
Okay,
johnny
elsevier.
K
K
B
K
A
And
thank
you
tyler.
We
have
one
more
agenda
item
for
the
committee
late
this
afternoon:
a
staff
sent
out
an
email
about
a
new
project
planning
project
for
the
area
of
des
moines,
south
of
gray's
lake
and
east
of
fleur,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
any
commissioners
would
like
to
be
a
part
of
that
representing
the
commission.
A
Is
there
anybody
who
would
be
interested
in
doing
this?
If
not,
I
I
will
to
represent
the
commission.
I
just
wanted
anybody
else
who
had
a
particular
interest
to
do
so.
A
J
You
live
within
the
planning
area.
Is
that
what
you're
saying
johnny.
T
Yeah
within
that
area,
south
of
grace,
lake
and
east
of
florida.
J
I
I
don't
think
that
that's
a
conflict,
I
don't
know
judy
legal
department.
K
Yeah
I'm
listening
to
that
conversation,
and
I
would
agree
with
that
there.
There
is
not
a
conflict
of
interest
just
merely
being
within
the
area
and
not
having
had
any
closer
relationship
to
the
property
or
the
parties
involved
does
not
create
a
conflict
of
interest.
J
Johnny
go
ahead
and
just
use
that
link
that
was
in
that
email
get
yourself
signed
up
will
do.
A
Are
there
any
other
reports,
jason.
R
Madam
chair,
there
are
committee
reports
not
that
there's
committee
report
as
far
as
the
sidewalk
committee
is
concerned,
but
I
would
I
would
like
to
mention
that
rick
madden's
comment
today,
I
thought
was
pretty
germane
when
he
was
talking
about
the
sidewalk
issue
that
we
have
in
the
city
and
that
the
way
things
stand
right
now
are
are
preventing
the
timely
development
of
residential
construction
in
the
city.
O
R
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
bert.
I'm
very
glad
to
hear
that.
Indeed,
because
the
last
meeting
we
had
there
were
some
very
good
ideas
that
came
forward
and
I
just
hate
to
see
this
fall
by
the
wayside.
Quite
frankly,
because
we're
dealing
with
a
problem,
you
know
every
meeting.
E
A
There
are
no
other
comments
or
reports.
We
will
adjourn.