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From YouTube: 3-18-21 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting via teleconference on Thursday, March 18, 2021.
A
Welcome
to
the
march
18th
meeting
of
the
plan
and
zoning
commission
I'll
read
the
rules
and
procedures.
The
plan
and
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plats.
Unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
A
515-689-9485
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request.
If
applicants
wish
to
share
materials
not
already
submitted
with
the
application,
please
email
them
to
planning
dmgov.org,
so
a
staff
host
may
be
able
to
share
them
on
the
screen.
When
you
present
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes,
staff
has
attempted
to
compile
a
list
of
people
who
would
like
to
speak
on
each
item.
A
A
A
Also,
we
ask
that
you
keep
your
microphones
and
phones
on
mute
unless
you've
been
given
the
chance
to
address
the
commission
by
the
chair
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
If
any
opponent
spoke,
all
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
A
C
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B
H
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A
All
right,
thank
you!
Thank
you
mike.
So
now
I
believe
there
was
another
item
item
five
that
could
possibly
be
moved
to
consent
this
evening.
That
was
a
request
from
hernandez
holdings
llc
represented
by
don
hernandez
regarding
the
property
located
at
one
four,
four
zero
and
one
four
1444
capital
avenue.
A
A
A
D
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B
A
E
D
A
H
H
It
is
a
request
to
rezone
from
p2
to
rx2
in
order
to
allow
expansion
of
the
existing
hospice,
and
it
would
also
include
a
future
land
use
classification,
amendment
from
low
density
residential
to
neighborhood
mixed
use
to
allow
for
that.
With
the
zoning
map
and
zoning
ordinance
update,
this
property
had
gotten
zoned
to
p2,
which
isn't
a
district
that
is
allows
for
hospice.
Hospices
are
actually
defined
as
group
living
facilities
under
the
household
under
the
residential
group
living
category
of
uses.
H
H
H
H
Staff
staff
suggested
that
the
applicant
contemplate
rezoning
to
you
know
one
of
a
few
districts
that
would
permit
this
use
and
they
made
their
application
for
the
rx2
district,
which
is
a
mixed-use
district.
That
also
allows
other
uses
like
office
uses
and
and
retail
uses,
as
well
relative
to
neighborhoods
they're
different
from
the
mx
mixed
use.
Districts,
in
that
those
are
meant
for
more
busy
corridors.
H
Well,
there's
no
there's
no
recommended
conditions
at
this
time.
We
did
hear
a
concern
from
at
least
one
neighbor
regarding
the
potential
of
what
this
could
develop
in
the
future
with
the
r2
rx2
zoning.
So
if
we
want
to
get
into
discussion
on
that,
we
had
a
card
from
that
individual
and,
I
believe,
they're
on
here
to
speak
and
they're
they're
the
individual
that
asked
to
pull
this
from
the
from
the
agenda,
but
we
didn't
receive
anything
at
the
time
that
we
created
the
graphics
from
the
from
the
notification.
K
All
right,
thank
you.
This
is
doug
salsgaver
engineering
resource
group,
2413
grand
avenue
des
moines,
representing
I'm
a
civil
engineer
representing
the
owners,
which
I
think
several
people
representing
the
ownership
is
also
on
this
meeting.
The
only
reason
we're
rezoning
this
property
is
because
of
the
new
zoning
ordinance
and
the
designation.
K
It
was
not
in
compliance
with
the
use
of
the
hospice,
and
the
proposed
improvements
are
to
continue
the
property
as
being
a
hospice,
and
I
really
wish
we
didn't
have
to
go
through
this
process.
But,
as
I
said,
the
only
reason
we
need
to
rezone
is
because
the
district
that
was
assigned
to
this
property
is
not
compatible
with
the
current
use
and
therefore
that's
why
we're
here
tonight
I
can
stop
speaking,
and
maybe
one
of
the
people
from
the
ownership
would
also
like
to
chip
in
something.
Thank
you.
L
There
we
go.
Can
you
hear
me
now?
Yes,
great?
Thank
you
so
much
appreciate
the
opportunity
tonight.
My
name
is
lynn
mickel,
I'm
the
chief
financial
officer
for
for
every
step,
and
just
echoing
some
of
the
comments
that
doug
had.
We
have
no
intention
of
changing
the
use
of
the
property.
Our
our
remodeling
project
is
primarily
interior
there'll,
be
a
little
bit
of
exterior
work,
done,
adding
a
garage,
an
attached
garage,
a
slight
enlargement
of
our
deck
and
then
a
permanent
awning
on
the
front
of
the
building,
but
other
than
that.
L
L
A
A
G
G
G
G
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
J
H
H
You
can
see
the
black
dots
beneath
the
the
zoning
districts
that
it's
permitted
in
the
dx
districts
are
for
downtown,
basically
mx
2,
mx1,
mx2
mx3
are
really
for
higher
volume,
corridors
for
mixed
use,
rx1
and
rx2,
and
then
cx
is
the
big
box
and
then
over
here
on
the
right.
You
see
the
the
nx2
and
nx3.
H
H
H
And
then
moving
down
further
into
the
commercial
categories
utilities
so
again
here
is
rx1
and
rx2
very
similar.
There
then
then
you'll
start
to
see
some
departure
with
some
of
the
uses.
In
the
you
know,
the
higher
volume
assembly
uses
broadcasting
recording
studio
is
not
allowed
in
rx1
consumer
maintenance
and
repair
commercial
service,
and
then
down
here
rx
want
neither
rx1
or
rx
to
allow
bars.
They
do
allow
restaurants,
they
would
allow
banks.
H
Rx1
would
actually
allow
a
funeral
or
mortuary
service.
Rx2
would
not
that's
one
one
little
nuance.
That
makes
them
a
little
different
there
and
then
moving
further
into
the
commercial
categories
again.
Rx1
and
rx2.
Here
at
the
top
standalone
surface,
parking
and
parking
structures
wouldn't
be
allowed
in
rx1,
but
could
be
allowed
in
rx2
limited
retail
is
allowed
in
both,
and
then
that's
really
it
for
the
remaining
uses.
H
H
H
It
actually
calls
for
it
to
be
a
minimum
of
three
stories,
and
I
don't
think
that
scale
is
necessarily
intended
for
this
area
as
well,
either
on
the
from
the
building
form
side.
So
that's
the
that's
the
difference
here
now.
If
there's
a
list,
if
there's
uses
that
the
commission
is
concerned
about
that
are
allowed
in
rx2
or
rx1.
H
The
commission
could
allow
rx2
or
rx1
through
with
this
request.
They
could
also
limit
the
uses
by
saying,
like
only
assisted
living
and
use,
is
allowed
in.
You
know
in
the
p2
or
some
of
something
of
that
nature
or
that
they
would
have
in
common
or
you
could.
You
know,
call
out
any
that
you
don't
believe
it
are
appropriate
for
this
location.
H
H
M
Dory
this
is
greg
again.
I'm
just
wondering
why
staff,
since
the
applicant
has
said
they
still
all
they
want
to
do,
is
continue.
What
they're
doing?
Why
don't?
Why
isn't
it
just
being
restricted
to
an
assisted
living
facility
which
gets
them
what
they
want
without
allowing
anything
else,
nothing
else
changes
they
change
the
zoning
they
can
do
the
building
they
can
do
whatever
they
want
to
do
and
nobody
changes
anything
and
the
neighbors
don't
complain,
and
here
we
go.
M
M
H
Certainly
we
could
have.
I
don't
know
if
there
was
much
concern
until
that.
You
know
the
neighbors
contacted
us
with
regard
to
these.
You
know
uses
that
could
be
there.
There
might
be
some
things
in
rx2
that
would
be
appropriate
for
you
know
if
that
ceased
to
become
a
hospice
at
some
point.
But
certainly
if
the
commission
is
sensitive
to
those
concerns
they
could,
they
could
certainly
limit
it
to
that
use
and
if
the
owner
was
agreeable
to
that,
the
that
could
be
approved
as
a
conditional
zoning.
I
Greg
this
is
mike
ludwig.
I
was
one
who
had
the
original
conversations
with
the
applicant
and
the
representatives
about
this,
and
ultimately
we
found
districts.
You
know
residential
districts
that
were
supposed
to
be
next
to
existing
residential
zoning
that
allowed
some
commercial
use,
and
so
we
looked
at
those
rx1
and
rx2
are
both
districts.
I
L
L
I
would
have
to
seek
advice
from
from
our
experts
on
you
know,
going
from
an
rx2
to
to
another
another
zoning,
or-
or
even
you
know,
limiting
the
the
use
of
the
property,
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
that
what
that
would
would
do.
We
were
following
staff
guidance
here
and
you
know.
Hopefully
it
was.
It
was
all
gonna
work
out,
but
I
guess
if,
if
the
question
is,
would
we
consider
changing
the
the
zoning
or,
if
limiting
the
use?
L
H
This
is
eric
senior
city
planner.
So,
as
mike
had
indicated
the
options,
the
commission
could
approve
rx2
as
you've
requested
it.
They
could
improve
rx2
with
the
limited
set
of
uses,
even
as
even
as
restrictive
as
as
a
assisted
living.
You
know
hospice
only
or
they
could.
They
could
recommend
rx1
with
limited
uses
or,
as
you
know,
as
allowed
in
rx1.
H
So
they
would
have
that
range
to
to
recommend
to
the
city
council
within
you
know
whatever
they
determine,
but
I
think
the
what
you
need
to
understand
is
that
the
owner
of
the
property
has
to
agree
to
any
conditions
before
approval
of
the
zoning
based
on
the
way
the
state
law
is.
So
that's
why
I
think
they
want
to
know
if
there's
if
the
owner
has
any
reservation
about
limiting
the
use,
I
think
from
what
rx2
allows.
L
I
The
hell
and
lynn,
this
is
michael,
ludwig,
again,
deputy
director
of
development
services
so
and
for
the
commission's
benefit,
a
recommendation
of
going
rx2
to
rx1
is
not
something
that
would
require
a
zoning
acceptance
that
that
could
just
be
a
recommendation.
The
the
only
thing
that
would
require
written
consent
of
the
owner
would
be
because
rx1
is
a
less
intense
zoning
district
that
the
commission
can
can
clearly
recommend
a
different
zoning
district.
I
But
if
you
want
to
limit
specific
uses
in
either
the
learning
district
that
requires
consent
of
the
owner,
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
out.
Ultimately
it's
the
council's
decision
on
what
to
zone
it,
but
the
planning
commission
can
make
their
recommendation
to
a
different
zoning
district,
a
less
intense
zoning
district,
if
they
think
that's
appropriate,
but
any
limitation
of
specific
uses
would
require
consent
of
the
owner.
Thank
you.
L
C
My
hunch
here
is
that
the
objection
is
to
the
commercial
uses
in
the
rx
district.
I'm
not
sure.
If
that's
the
objection,
I
don't
see
that
switching
to
rx1
is
a
huge
difference
from
rx2.
I
guess
that's
what
I'm
saying.
I
would
be
curious
as
if
the
owner
would
be
willing-
and
I
realize
we
can't
get
that
answer
tonight,
but
to
do
an
rx2
without
commercial
uses
or
if
that's.
I
Abby,
this
is
michael
ludwig.
I
think
the
primary
difference
is
probably
those
event
center
uses
in
that
commercial
category.
As
eric
had
when
he'd
gone
through
the
table,
it
was
a
derek
I
think
the
event
center
uses
were
permitted
in
rx2
and
they're
either.
The
small
one
is
a
conditional
use
requirement
and
the
others
are
not
permitted.
I
I
F
This
is
francis
bogus
I'm
familiar
with
the
facility
because
I've
actually
been
there
several
times.
It's
really
unrealistic
to
think
it'd
be
used
for
anything
else
because
of
limited
parking
and
the
access
to
the
interstate
there.
So,
therefore,
based
on
that,
I
would
move
staff
to
accept
staff's
recommendation
part.
F
A
C
H
A
I
D
Yes,
chair
members
of
the
commission,
katherine
drajas
planner,
for
the
city
of
des
moines,
as
mentioned,
the
property
is
located
down
on
southwest
22nd
street,
so
that
would
put
it
a
little
bit
west
of
fleur
drive,
which
is
just
off
the
right
side
of
the
map
here
and
about
three
quarters
of
a
mile
south
of
army
post
road,
so
we're
getting
pretty
far
south
in
des
moines
here
this
is
a
pud
and
the
parcel
is
located
within
a
pud.
So
there
are
some
specific
requirements
on
it
that
we'll
be
going
through
later.
D
You
can
see
the
sloped
on
the
far
side
of
the
west
side
of
the
property
there
and
then
a
little
bit
of
material
context.
These
are
some
storage
units
that
were
built
a
little
bit
further
south,
I'm
afraid
I
just
realized.
I
didn't
measure
about
how
much
further
south,
I
think,
they're
one
or
two
parcels
south
of
our
subject:
property
right
now.
D
D
This
is
the
landscape
plan
sheet,
showing
existing
vegetation
and
proposed
street
trees
and
vegetation.
They
are
proposing
a
loop
drive
around
excuse
me
within
the
interior
of
the
property
and
then
they'll
be
building
storage,
warehouses
in
a
series
of
three
buildings
across
the
property
with,
as
you
can
see,
overhead
doors
that
allow
access
at
various
points.
D
D
This
is
the
see
this
is
building
nine
and
I
believe
it
is
the
I
believe
it's
the
northern
building.
Apologies,
if
I'm
not
getting
that
quite
right
and
you'll
see
that
they're
using
a
fairly
similar
materials
to
the
example
photos
that
we
provided
you
with
some
elevation
views-
and
I
will
be
getting
into
it
later,
but
I
will
just
point
out
that
there
is
masonry
wayne's
coding
in
these
little
areas
in
between
the
doors
on
the
front
facades
of
the
building.
D
In
this
case,
the
applicant
is
looking
for
a
waiver
of
that
sidewalk
and
then,
as
I
mentioned,
we
are
as
staff
believe
we
do
believe
as
staff
that
the
wainscot
on
the
we
always
like
to
see
that
on
front
facades
in
street
facing
facades.
But
we
have
found
under
our
evaluation
that
we
feel
that
it
would
be
visible.
The
south
side
of
the
southern
building
and
the
north
side
of
the
northern
building
are
highly
visible
to
the
public
right
away.
D
So
we
would
be
looking
for
that
masonry
wainscoting
to
be
included
on
those
buildings
and,
as
I
noted
earlier,
those
aren't
currently
not
proposed.
The
site
plan
also
indicates
that
there
is
chain-link
fence
and
specifications
were
not
given.
The
pud
does
require
any
chain
link
fence
to
have
a
coating
that
is
dark
in
color
and
then
given.
D
D
D
The
applicant
has
expressed
an
interest
in
pursuing
the
tax
abatement
program
and
so
in
your
staff
packet.
We
excuse
me
your
staff
recommendation
packet.
We
included
the
following
standards
that
would
be
applicable
in
the
case
of
if
they
chose
to
pursue
utilization
of
that
program.
We
can
come
back
to
those
if
needed.
D
At
this
time.
Oops
excuse
me
and
then
the
consent
map
we
did
not
receive
any
signed
communication
back
from
our
notification
process.
We
did
receive
an
email
from
adjacent
property
owner
saying
that
they
are
in
support.
Unfortunately,
as
it
was
not
signed,
it
did
not
have
a
signature
on
it.
We
were
not
able
to
put
that
on
the
map,
but
we
are
showing
it
here
so
that
you
can
see
that
communication
at
this
time.
I
would
be
happy
to
do
my
best
to
answer
any
of
your
questions
that
you
might
have
for.
D
D
O
O
O
P
P
It's
great
to
hear
that
there's
a
10
foot
trail
across
the
street,
which
I'm
assuming
accommodates
great
bike
access
to
your
facility,
although
it
doesn't
show
on
the
google
map
as
a
bike
bike
route,
I'm.
I
would
hope
that
you
are
accommodating
bike
parking
at
your
location.
I
apologize.
I
haven't,
had
a
chance
to
read
through
all
of
the
documentation
just
so
that
we
can
encourage
people.
You
know,
rather
than
just
thinking
they're
only
there
with
their
big
van
dropping
off
lots
of
big
stuff.
P
N
Chris
davis,
32145
old,
portland
road
with
kingdom
development,
the
construction
manager
representing
the
owner,
I'd
like
to
touch
base
on
three
items:
one
the
waynes
coat.
We
apologize
for
not
not
having
updated
plans
on
that.
Our
current
plan
had
been
whether
it's
not
showing
stone
was
to
do
a
black
wainscot
metal
panel
across
that
bottom.
N
So,
as
part
of
the
pre-app
meeting,
I
believe
we
we
talked
about
the
pud
items
and
the
design
standards
from
2007,
but
the
the
picture
of
the
existing
storage
facility
is
a
good
representative
representation
of
having
exposed
fasteners
because
it
does.
But
you
cannot
see
those
in
the
picture
and
that's
what
we
would
like
to
use
is
is
color
matched
exposed
fasteners
on
this
building,
as
well
as
a
29
gauge
steel
that
I
know
on
the
paint
it
has.
A
40-year
warranty,
I'm
still
not
clear
on
the
metal
itself
yet.
D
Q
Hey
guys
dave
welch,
6289
sudbury
court
johnston
in
obviously
I'm
one
of
the
builders
there
and
looking
at
that
sidewalk.
If
you
go
back
to
the
photo
of
the
storage,
that
storage
unit
is
there's
a
vacant
lot
from
where
we're
proposing.
Building
to
that
and
that
picture
that
you're
looking
at
right.
There
is
the
east
boundary
of
that
property
and
there
is
no
sidewalk
along
there.
Q
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
been
down
that
road
at
all,
but
that
whole
section
doesn't
have
any
sidewalks
at
all
to
it.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
I
guess
that
if
we
did
put
a
sidewalk,
you
know
it
it
like
like,
as
previously
mentioned
it
would
terminate
into
nothing
down
here.
So
that's
all
I
had
to
say.
A
A
M
D
H
So
the
the
the
requirements
of
the
pud
allow
for
metal
that's
considered
a
durable
material,
staffs
recommended
the
the
the
stone
or
masonry
to
be
more
in
line
with
our
current
ordnance.
You
know
for
other
comparable
development.
This
beauty
is,
you,
know,
older
and
and
had
more
minimal
standards
than
we
do
than
we
have
now
in
our
current
ordinance.
H
I
I
A
D
H
Their
their
preference-
this
is
erica,
their
preference
is
to
allow
the
chain
link
around
the
backside
with
final
coating,
the
the
ornamental
in
on
the
street
presence.
Again,
that's
that's
going
to
you
know.
Staff
would
prefer
the
ornamental
around
the
property.
As
you
see
with
like
the
storage
development
to
the
south.
R
H
Yeah,
this
is
eric,
as
mike
had
pointed
out
the.
If
we
they
may
be
putting
themselves
at
risk
of
getting
tax
abatement,
if
they
don't
do
the
masonry
material
at
the
base,
which
is
one
of
the
standards
in
the
tax
pigment.
So
I
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
important
to
them
or
not,
but
that
would
be
something
that
would
jeopardize
them
and,
as
the
thickness
of
the
metal
would
also
come
into
play
there.
A
M
I'll
move
staff
with
the
following
comments:
staff
for
one
so
put
the
sidewalk
in
staff
for
number
two.
You
do
masonry
on
item
three.
I
think
we
should
stick
to
22
gauge
for
a
b
c
on
d,
I'm
okay
with
the
exposed
fasteners.
If
as
long
as
they're
color
keyed
on
item
four,
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
staff
was
proposing,
but
I'm
okay
with
what
the
applicant
was
proposing
and
that's
have
the
decorative
on
the
front
and
black
vinyl
on
the
rest
and
number
five.