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From YouTube: 7-15-21 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, July 15, 2021.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/boards_inner_T56_R23.php
A
B
Hey
story:
this
is
todd
todd
garner.
Some
of
you
know
me
I'm
an
architect
here
in
the
city
of
des
moines,
with
substance
architecture
and
been
practicing
architecture.
Since
the
early
90s
and
a
resident
of
denmark
most
of
my
life,
it's
an
honor
to
be
a
part
of
the
board.
I
previously
was
on
the
urban
design
review
board
for
several
for
several
years
and
look
forward
to
seeing
what
this
is
all
about.
So
thank
you.
C
A
Great
well
welcome.
Now
I
will
read
the
rules
and
procedures
for
our
meeting
the
plan
and
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plats.
Unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
A
For
details
on
council
hearings,
applicants
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request.
If
applicants
wish
to
share
materials
not
already
submitted
with
the
application,
please
email
them
to
planning
dmgob.org,
so
a
staff
host
may
be
able
to
share
them
on
the
screen.
When
you
present
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes,
staff
has
attempted
to
compile
a
list
of
people
who
would
like
to
speak
on
each
item.
A
A
Once
permission
to
speak
is
given
to
unmute
and
mute
dial
star
6
on
your
phone.
You
will
be
required
to
give
your
legal
name
and
address
for
the
record
prior
to
speaking.
Also,
we
ask
that
you
keep
your
microphones
and
phones
on
mute
unless
you've
been
given
the
chance
to
address
the
commission
by
the
chair.
A
E
D
G
A
H
D
B
A
Thank
you
glory.
I
will
proceed
reading
through
the
consent,
public
hearing
items
and
we
have
quite
a
few
this
evening.
There
are
ten
that
went
out
on
the
agenda
item
number.
One
is
a
request
from
james
hunter
and
connie
conrad
hunter
to
designate
snooki's
neon
sign
at
1810
beaver
avenue
as
a
local
landmark.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We'll
proceed
on
to
item
number
two
request
from
greater
des
moines
habitat
for
humanity,
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
type
2
design,
alternatives
for
property
located
at
926
kirkwood
avenue
to
allow
construction
of
a
house
b,
building
with
a
120
square
foot
shed
in
place
of
a
garage.
A
Okay,
then
item
2
remains
on
consent.
Item
3
is
a
request
from
scott
bogdansky
and
whitney
poston
bogdonski
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
for
property
located
at
1510
47th
street
to
allow
construction
of
a
detached
garage
in
the
rear
yard.
That
would
be
within
two
feet
of
the
north
side.
Property
line.
A
If
not
we'll
move
on
to
item
number
four,
it's
a
request
from
hyvee
inc
for
review
and
approval
of
a
site
plan.
Heidi
isles
online
des
moines
number
four
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
for
property
at
4605
floor
drive
to
allow
a
970
square
foot,
drive-through
canopy
addition
on
the
north
interior
side,
facade
where
it
is
only
allowed
on
the
rear
facade
in
a
cx
mixed
use
district.
A
A
Okay
item
number
five
remains
on
consent.
Item
number
six
is
request
from
kg
store
543
regarding
property
generally
located
at
1619,
ingersoll
avenue
and
1620
high
street.
A
small
portion
of
the
property
is
owned
by
the
city
of
des
moines,
its
vacation
of
linden
street
from
17th
street
ingersoll
avenue
and
16th
street
from
ingersoll
avenue
to
the
southern
line
of
the
vacated
east
west
alley
between
15th
street
and
16th
street
b.
I
A
Okay,
we'll
go
on
then
to
item
number
nine,
which
is
a
request
from
four
zero:
zero:
five
grand
llc
for
site
plan,
oak
crest
town
homes
for
type
2
design,
alternatives
for
property
at
4005,
grand
avenue
to
allow
construction
of
a
6
unit,
household
living
row,
building,
fronting
grand
avenue
to
the
south
and
a
two
unit
household
living
row.
Building
fronting
40th
street
to
the
east.
A
And
there's
a
b,
which
is
to
allow
a
street
side
yard
setback
for
the
six
unit
household
living
dwelling
of
17
feet
less
than
the
calculated
41
foot
average
required
c.
Allow
the
two
unit
household
living
dwelling
to
be
one
unit
in
width
less
than
the
minimum
required
three
units
in
width
and
d
allow
the
proposed
building
entrances
of
the
six-unit
household
living
dwelling
on
the
south
primary
frontage
to
be
up
to
7.5
feet
more
than
the
maximum
4.5
feet
above
public
sidewalk.
A
A
A
item
11
is
a
request
from
3524
6th
avenue
for
review
and
approval
of
a
site
plan,
highland
apartments
for
a
tattoo
design
alternative
for
property
at
35246th
avenue
to
allow
for
renovation
of
the
existing
mixed-use,
commercial
and
residential
building
and
related
site
improvements
with
waiver
of
undergrounding.
The
existing
overhead
utility
lines
is
there.
Anyone
from
the
public
who
wishes
to
have
this
item
remain
on
the
public
hearing
agenda
and
be
discussed
this
evening.
A
A
H
J
B
J
K
G
K
G
K
G
D
Sorry,
jason,
I
was
just
getting
to
that.
I've
been
working
with
dan
to
get
that
taken
care
of.
Thank
you
very
much.
Yep.
Okay.
We
can
tap
now
take
roll
on
the
approval
of
the
consent.
Yeah!
Yes,
thank
you!
I'm
sorry,
I'm
filling
in
and
I'm
I'm
a
little
rusty
at
this,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
start
with
johnny
alsavar.
C
G
Yeah
members
of
the
commission,
jason
van
essen,
with
the
city's
planning
staff
I'll
go
ahead
and
run
through
the
presentation.
There's
really
you
can
see
on
the
slide
here.
There's
you
know
it's
listed
as
parts
a
b
and
c
part:
a
is
a
vacation,
a
right-of-way
request
and
part
b
and
c
are
related
to
a
rezoning
request.
It's
all
part
of
kind
of
a
single
project,
but
I
do
want
to
just
clarify
that
we
really
have
two
two
things
going
on
here.
We
have
a
rezoning
request
and
we
have
a
right-of-way
vacation
request.
G
This
map
identifies
the
parcels
that
are
proposed
to
be
re-zoned.
You
can
see
the
bulk
of
the
site.
That's
intended
to
be
redeveloped
with
the
brewery
use
is
already
zoned
mx2.
There
are
a
parcel
here,
this
part
of
the
site,
the
rx
zone,
rx1
and
then
some
city-owned
land
on
here,
that's
dx2.
That
would
be
assembled
to
move
the
project
forward.
Those
need
to
be
rezoned
to
mx2.
G
Just
some
photographs
that
kind
of
correlate
to
the
rezoning
aspect.
We
are
not
reviewing
a
site
plan
today,
but
we
do
have
kind
of
a
concept
for
the
brewery
use.
You
can
see
the
how
the
land
to
be
vacate.
Excuse
me
not
vacated
I'll
cover
that
in
a
minute,
but
to
be
re-zoned
would
be
incorporated
into
the
site.
This
initial
phase,
with
the
site
plan,
does
include
the
linden
street
part
of
the
linden
street.
That's
part
of
the
part,
a
the
request.
G
These
this
alley
has
been
vacated
and
sold.
Applicant
owns
owns
the
the
alleys.
I
know
this
segment
was
vacated
in
1979.
I
think
this
one
was
around
the
same
here.
I
just
don't
off
top
my
head.
I
don't
recall
you
can
see
in
the
subject
there
in
this
block
to
the
west
of
16th
street.
There's
no
alley
network.
G
Just
a
couple
photographs,
this
16th
street,
looking
south
looking
north
linden
street
copy
the
staff
report.
This
would
have
been
included
in
the
commission's
packet
I'll
flip
through.
In
short,
we
are
recommending
approval.
We
did
have
a
condition
on
the
vacation
that
easements
for
any
existing
utilities,
be
retained
or
be
provided
until
such
time,
they're
abandoned
or
relocated
at
the
applicant's
expense.
G
G
G
G
L
M
M
M
My
my
concern
here
is
that
we
just
have
not
been
given
the
information
as
the
direct
and
probably
the
single
most
damning
piece
of
property
affected
by
the
vacating
of
16th
and
linden.
I
have
no
problem
with
the
other
two,
the
b
and
c.
By
the
way.
Those
are,
I
think,
it's
going
to
be
a
great
project.
We
just
like
to
have
more
information
at
least
be
told
what
they're
going
to
do
and
how
it
directly
affects
us
before
the
commission
recommends
us
to
city
council.
M
A
A
A
L
L
We
would
dispute
the
characterization
that
no
information
has
been
shared
with
the
ownership
group
at
1540,
high
street
site
plans
were
provided
through
the
broker
acting
as
our
agent,
and
I
would,
I
would
say,
discussions
of
deeper
information
were
shared
with
the
with
the
ownership
group
at
1540
high
street.
So
I
would
say
we're
we're
a
little
surprised
to
hear
that
they
are.
They
are
not
aware
of
either
the
the
plan
or
what
we
are
requesting
of
the
city.
L
We
part
of
our
request
was
to
make
sure
that
access
to
the
1540
high
street
location
was
not
encumbered
in
any
way.
They
still
have
access
through
their
through
their
parking
lot
and
with
their
easement
in
the
alley
behind
to
get
to
all
parts
of
their
property.
So
I
think
we
we
took
that
in
mind
when
we
took
this
action
and
applied
for
this
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions
from
the
commission
and
I'll
leave
it.
There.
A
C
C
G
G
The
I
didn't
ask
the
applicant
to
provide
some
detail
on
their
communication
with
the
neighbor,
because
I
was
concerned
that
there
hadn't
been
correspondence
and,
at
this
point,
they've
provided
me
with
the
what's
been
mentioned,
maybe
in
a
little
more
greater
detail.
So
at
this
point
the
best
information
I
have
is
that
there
has
been
correspondence.
G
I
D
A
A
G
G
It
is
good
to
you
know
when
we
look
at
these
when
we
provide
these
initial
maps
here,
we
you
know
have
to
zoom
in
so
you
can
kind
of
see
detail,
but
then
we
lose
sight
of
kind
of
what's
around
it
in
the
greater
area.
So
I
did
want
to
show
this
map
to
show
that
there
is
to
the
south
on
the
future
land
use
map
designation
for
low
medium
density
residential
and
that
there
is
residential
to
the
north.
G
G
G
Staff
report
was
in
in
your
packet,
provided
all
the
analysis,
including
our
discussion
on
plan,
dsm
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
an
overview
of
the
different
designations
in
our
logic
for
supporting
an
amendment
to
the
future
land
use
map
and
then
the
logic
for
rezoning
the
site.
We
are
recommending
approval.
G
G
H
G
Sure,
but
there's
you
know
local
group,
that's
working
on
this
project.
You
know
I
I
feel,
like
I'd,
be
doing
them
a
disservice.
If
I,
if
I
kind
of
give
a
muddled
overview,
I
know
the
applicant
is
here:
there's
representation
here,
that's
going
to
go
through
a
presentation.
I
think
they
might
spend
a
little
time
kind
of
talking
on
the
concept
and
who
they
are.
So
if
I
could
well,
if
you
don't
mind,
I
wouldn't
mind
just
passing
over
them,
so
they
could
do
a
better
job
than
I
will.
That
makes
good.
N
N
N
My
time
is
really
short.
I
would
love
to
spend
more
time
sharing
the
chocolate
story
with
you
that
maybe
we
could
do
that
some
other
time,
if
you
reach
out
to
me
individually,
the
property
that
we're
interested
in
jason
did
a
nice
job
of
summarizing,
where
it's
at
key
for
everyone
here
is,
you
can
see
fleur
drive
and
you
can
see
county
line
road
at
the
lower
left
side
of
the
the
screen.
That's
the
cases
that
you
are
probably
familiar
with.
N
As
you
come
off
of
highway
five,
it's
an
18
acre
parcel
and,
as
jason
mentioned,
it's
the
des
moines
metro
wastewater,
reclaim
authority
that
owns
this.
This
was
a
decommissioned
wastewater
treatment
facility
and
it
really
has
sat
unused
for
close
to
30
years
next
slide,
but
we're
excited
at
the
opportunity
to
put
it
into
use.
N
N
What
was
the
the
original
wastewater
treatment
facility?
You
can
see
the
lagoon
that's
on
there
and
you
can
also
see
from
the
elevation
marks
that
it's
a
fairly
steep
property
with
a
creek
that
runs
through
it
noteworthy
is
the
property
south
of
here
is
in
a
flood
plain,
so
there's
not
likely
to
be
a
much
development
on
the
south
side,
as
jason
showed
you,
our
focus
is
going
to
be
on
the
western
half
next
slide.
Please.
N
Okay,
here's
a
slide
that
jason
already
showed
you.
What
we
want
to
do
is
is
have
a
section
that
is
rx
zoned
and
that
will
be
for
two
main
buildings
at
this
point
in
time.
We're
anticipating
each
building
would
be
approximately
four
thousand
square
feet
and
it
would
support
the
community
that
we're
trying
to
build
and
x2
would
be
the
area
where
the
housing
would
be
located.
N
We
do
want
to
reach
out
to
the
neighborhood
association
travis
stupid
that
had
the
first
dissenting
email
with
someone
we
had
an
hour
conference
call
with
this
afternoon
he's
the
treasurer
of
the
watrous
south
neighborhood,
and
we
are
planning
on
being
at
the
watrous
south
neighborhood
meeting
next
tuesday.
They
have
quarterly
meetings,
so
next
tuesday
is
the
soonest
we
could
get
in.
We
understand
the
fort
des
moines
neighborhood
further
to
the
east
also
has
some
concerns.
We
look
forward
to
working
with
them.
N
N
I
think
you'll
recognize
some
some
leaders
within
our
community
here.
Okay,
next
slide
and
joppa
has
been
working
on
this,
this
village
concept
for
oh
close
to
seven
years.
What
we
did
last
year
differently
was.
We
got
a
we
put
together,
a
village
coalition.
You
can
see
again.
We've
got
some
really
important
leaders
in
our
community
that
have
been
guiding
our
efforts
as
we've
looked
at
properties.
N
G
O
I
got
as
far
as
I
don't
know:
army
coast
and
south
west
14th
or
something-
and
there
was
it-
was
like
a
super
highway
in
several
directions
and
there
were
no
sidewalks,
and
so
today
I
was
in
my
car
and
I
drove
down
there
and
I
did
get
to
this
site
and
discovered
that
it's
a
gravel
road
and
there's
no
sidewalk
there.
It's
really
out
in
the
middle
of
bfe,
which
is
which
is
great,
to
put
something.
That's
probably
not
on
the
tax
rolls
and
that's
another
question
I
have.
O
O
I
I
don't
know
how
close
dart
is,
I'm
having
a
trouble
with
their
website,
but
on
my
bike
I
I
was
afraid-
and
I
try
not
to
be
when
I
ride
my
bike,
I
I
was
afraid
to
try
to
to
cross
the
roads
to
get
there
and
to
walk
along
the
highways
to
get
to
this
location.
Highway
is
in
you
know,
it
wasn't
a
highway,
but
it
was
really
fast
roads.
So
I
guess
I'm
all
for
reducing
homelessness.
O
Rockland,
that's
that's
a
goal
everybody
should
have,
but
I
my
concern
is
that
is
it
in
the
middle
of
a
location
that
is
so
distant
from
the
rest
of
the
city
that
you
know
you
can't
get
to
a
job
you
can't
get
to
services.
It
sounds
like
you're
building
services
on
site,
which
is
great,
but
you
know,
are,
are
all
those
pieces
going
to
come
together
like
a
paved
road
and
sidewalks,
and
things
like
that.
So
that's
my
observation
and
thanks
for
your
commitment.
P
Hi,
my
name
is
linda
lair
and
I
live
at
3801
southwest
28th
street
in
south
des
moines,
and
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of
this
project.
I've
worked
with
joppa
for
a
year
and
a
half
and
I've
been
impressed
by
their
ability
to
be
flexible
and
to
identify
the
needs
of
their
clients
and
make
the
necessary
changes.
Q
Q
I'm
also
have
been
in
real
estate,
my
entire
career,
I'm
the
former
president
of
iowa
realty,
I'm
in
favor
of
this
project,
first
of
all,
as
a
job
a
volunteer
and
and
getting
to
know
what
they
do
and
how
they
do
it.
It's
it's
a
organization
that
any
city
in
america
would
be
proud
to
have
the
focus,
the
dedication
and
how
they
go
about
their
business.
Q
I
just
happened
to
be
in
portland
and
seattle
last
week
and
observed
firsthand
what
some
of
the
challenges
that
they're
having
with
their
homeless
population-
and
you
know
talking
to
some
of
the
folks
there.
I
think
they
feel
that
they
wish
they
would
have
done
things
when
they
were
smaller
communities
to
to
get
ahead
of
this
and
address
it.
I
I
fear
that
those
situations
are
probably
a
little
bit,
I
wouldn't
say
out
of
control,
but
certainly
harder
to
wrangle
des
moines
is
of
a
size.
Q
I
believe
that
we
can
embrace
and
and
solve
these
challenges
and
serve
the
mission
of
japan
to
end
homelessness
in
central
iowa.
That's
not
an
opportunity
that
will
be
very
easy
to
attain
when
we're
a
city
of
1.1
1.3,
1.5
million.
So
I
fi.
I
feel
that
we're
at
a
point
is
a
metro
where
we
can
get
ahead
of
this
thing
and
do
some
really
amazing
work
and
and
provide
an
alternative
and
a
transition
for
for
these
folks
in
need.
So
I'm
in
support.
A
R
Travis
stupid
5419
southwest
19th
street
here
on
the
south
side,
I'm
not
necessarily
an
opposition,
as
I
s
as
the
gentleman
speaking
earlier
today,
I've
had
I
have
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
them
in
depth,
with
their
all
their
leadership
and
I'll.
Tell
you
what
they
are
fantastic
people.
Their
mission
is
right,
but
I
just
want
to
reiterate,
because
I
sent
a
second
email
this
afternoon.
You
know
kind
of
you
know
remaining
somewhat
neutral
as
long
as
the
access
to
the
area.
R
You
know
the
first
person
who
spoke
as
long
as
those
concerns
are
addressed,
and
you
know
it
doesn't
put
too
much
of
a
strain
on
our
city
services
such
as
police
to
fire.
And
what
have
you
you
know?
I
I
don't
really
see
a
problem
with
this
moving
forward,
but
those
were
basically
my
concerns.
We
do
have
a
lot
of
issues
down
here
on
the
south
side.
R
S
A
G
N
N
N
N
Just
to
to
reiterate
this
is
an
old
wastewater
treatment
facility.
That's
been
unused
for
30
years.
I
think
we're
excited
that
this
facility
can
actually
be
put
back
into
use.
I
think
we
have
a
very
good
use
for
it.
It's
a
it's
a
very
pastoral
setting
and
we'll
find
that,
while
it
it
has
limited
business
value,
it's
going
to
have
excellent
value
for
building
communities
and
helping
people.
N
And
lastly,
I
would
just
urge
the
commission
to
consider
moving
this
forward.
Recognizing
that
there's
more
reviews,
we've
got
site
plans.
We've
got
detailed
design
reviews
to
make
the
city
council
will
get
to
weigh
in
on
this.
So
there's
a
lot
more
reviews
ahead
of
us
a
lot
and
quite
a
few
more
disclosures.
N
F
Madam
chair,
this
is
greg
ta.
Can
I
ask
the
applicant
a
question,
sure
would
the
applicant
everyone
I've
heard
speak
seems
to
be
in
support
of
the
mission
and
myself
personally,
I
am
as
well
with
the
applicant
consider
tabling
this
until
the
next
meeting
of
this
board
or
a
couple
out
just
to
have
the
opportunity
to
engage
a
little
bit
with
the
community
and
basically
make
a
good
case
for
why
this
is
a
good
location.
N
N
N
N
C
C
G
There,
I
you
know
as
staff,
I
can
you
know
it's
a
non-profit
organization,
I'm
not
aware
that
there'd
be
any
revenue,
but
I
don't
know
we
could.
If
you
would
like
kurt
to
speak
to
that,
if
they
have
any
sort
of
you
know
in
theory,
it
could
be
created,
you
know,
or
ownership
structure
could
be
created
that
works
with
the
nonprofit.
That
would
be
tax
generating,
but
I
I'm
not
a
part
of
any
of
those
discussions,
so
it
I
know.
N
F
A
T
H
G
D
G
Chair
members
of
the
commission,
jason
vanessa,
with
the
city's
planning
staff
ariel
identifying
the
subject
property
on
the
north
side
of
east
army
post
road.
This
is
generally
to
the
east
of
southeast
14th
street
intersection
existing
building
to
be
removed,
site
to
be
redeveloped
site
plan.
You
can
see
the
footprint
of
the
building
so
north
is
this
direction
with
army
post
to
the
south
layout
includes
parking
in
the
front:
drive
access
loading
on
the
rear.
G
G
Goals
of
chapter
135
earlier
to
push
buildings
towards
the
street,
create
that
urban
environment
also
promote
dense
density
in
terms
of
development
patterns,
a
density
of
value,
higher
utilization
of
land.
This
is
elevations
of
the
building
provided
to
copy
the
staff
report
in
your
packet
sen
in
advance
of
the
meeting.
As
always,
we
include
the
criteria
that
we're
supposed
to
consider
when
reviewing
type
2
design,
alternative
requests.
G
As
this
is
as
I've
mentioned,
we
really
had
nothing
that
we
could
see
as
staff
that
we
didn't
think
could
be
overcome
with
stan
with
the
standpoint
of
having
the
building
move
forward
and
providing
parking,
particularly
with
knowing
that
there's
additional
land
available
if
it
was
even
necessary.
So
we
are
recommending
denial
of
the
request.
G
We
are
recommending
approval
of
the
public
hearing
site
plan.
We
don't
this,
isn't
a
circumstance
where
we
want
the
site
plan
completely
denied.
We
do
want
you
to
take
action
to
prove
that,
but
the
type
2
design
alternative
to
allow
the
parking
in
the
front.
We
all
recommend
denial
of
that
notice.
Map.
E
G
C
G
I
believe
we
had-
and
I
can
during
the
applicant's
presentation-
look
at
this
little
closer,
but
I
believe
we
had
a
proposal,
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
constructed
yet,
but
it
was
a
property
to
the
east
of
here.
Maybe
a
parcel
or
two
over
that
I
was
gonna
comply
from
what
my
recollection
is
like.
I
can
dig
into
that
a
little
bit
further,
if
you'd
like
me
to
thank
you.
J
U
U
Now,
back
up,
here's
a
difference
you
guys
might
go
back
to
where
you
were
on
that
page
yeah
right.
There
is
fine,
so
jason.
Thank
you
for
the
the
presentation
that
sums
it
up
very
accurately.
Essentially,
the
only
issue
before
the
commission
tonight
is
the
placement
of
the
parking
lot
and
we've
essentially
worked
through
all
the
other
staff
concerns
through
this
entire
project.
U
The
primary
reason
we're
asking
for
the
the
alternative
is
because
there
are
specific
site
features
that
do
create
conditions
that
that
make
strict
compliance,
impractical
or
undesirable,
and
essentially,
if
you
look
at
this
lot,
when
we
came
in
and
we
acquired
the
initial
parcel
that
this
is
on,
we
essentially
had
a
basic
threshold
for
the
size
of
the
building
that
we
wanted
to
put
there
after.
We,
we
recognized
from
city
council
that
they
approved
the
zoning
for
this
because
they
wanted
us
to
remove
that
dilapidated
building.
U
That's
currently
there
we
came
up
with
what
essentially
a
minimal
viable
building
would
be
on
this
very
narrow
lot
and
then,
as
we
move
the
design
iterations
through,
we
recognize
that,
in
order
to
meet
the
stormwater
detention
requirements,
the
property
would
be
too
small.
So
that's
why
we
actually
reached
out
to
the
neighbor
acquired
that
lot
at
a
cost
that
we
had
hoped
to
avoid
from
the
outset.
But
our
plan
with
that
neighboring
parcel
is
actually
to
break
it
off
and
sell
it
at
some
point.
U
So
that
really
has
no
release
valve
to
us
to
solve
this
parking
lot
issue.
It
was
essentially
we
bought
it
because
we
knew
we
needed
the
water
to
drain
to
the
back.
We
needed
storm
water
detention
in
the
back
and
we
needed
a
rear
access
for
loading
docks,
and
so
now,
if
you
look
at
this
this
lot
in
order
to
shift
parking
to
the
side,
it's
gonna,
it's
gonna
create
a
whole
bunch
of
problems
for
us
and
those
those
are
the
issues
I
guess
I
wanna
highlight
for
the
commission
tonight.
U
From
our
perspective,
it's
it's
quite
natural
that
the
parking
would
need
to
stay
up
front.
The
the
main
concern
we
have
is:
if
we
move
parking
to
the
side,
we're
going
to
create
a
a
serious
congestion
point,
our
heavy
traffic
will
be
going
to
the
rear.
At
the
same
time,
we're
going
to
have
retail
traffic.
U
The
the
applicant
has
a
unique
selling
season,
as,
as
many
of
you
know,
fireworks
iowa
are
only
lawful
for
a
very
short
window
to
be
sold
and
so
inside
that
window
you're
going
to
have
compressed
retail
traffic
and
compressed
truck
traffic
in
that
same
area,
and
that
is
from
a
public
health
and
safety
standpoint,
something
we
would
really
like
to
avoid.
One
thing
that
is
interesting
from
a
city
fire
code
and
building
code
perspective.
You
might
intuitively
think
well.
U
Fireworks
should
be
a
high
hazard
classification
and,
and
we
are
meeting
those
standards,
but
for
for
whatever
reason,
the
code
does
create
a
niche
for
fireworks,
that
there
isn't
a
normal
setback
and
in
other
words,
in
most
cases,
if
fireworks
were
treated
as
this
h3
higher
classification,
you
would
require
setbacks
all
the
way
around.
The
building,
because
you
want
easy
access
for
fire
emergency
response,
so
our
proposal
kind
of
would
solve
two
things:
leave
the
parking
up
front.
U
U
I
think
another
thing
that
we've
we've
considered
here
is
essentially
this
has
no
adverse
effect
on
any
of
the
neighbors.
It's
it's
very
consistent
with
basically
the
industrial
neighbor
parcels
that
are
around
it.
Most
of
them
all
have
front
parking.
You
have
a
self
storage
unit
to
the
west
and
then
on
down
the
street.
You've
got
modular
home
construction,
other
heavy
industrial
users,
so
there
wouldn't
be
anything
about
the
front
parking
here.
That
would
would
create
any
denigration
in
any
of
the
neighboring
parcels.
U
You
know,
access
point
across
the
front
would
be,
and
our
answer
on
that
is
is
yes,
because
we're
going
to
have
the
same
bike,
track,
storage
and
and
pedestrian
access
through
sidewalks
on
the
frontage,
but
it's
essentially,
if
we
didn't
have
this
one
issue
of
a
narrow
lot
to
deal
with.
I
really
don't
even
think
this
would
be
an
issue
for
us,
but
because
of
the
nature
of
this
lot
and
the
fact
that
the
adjacent
parcel,
although
we
own
it,
has
no
has
no
way
to
solve
this.
U
This
predicament
we're
respectfully
asking
the
council
or
the
commission
to
award
us
our
request
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
here
I
I
do
have
as
part
of
the
applicant
jeremiah
is
also
one
of
the
owner's
representatives
that,
if
I
happen
to
miss
anything
there
he
might
want
to
chime
in,
but
essentially
jason.
Those
are
the
the
main
points
we
wanted
to
raise
and
again
ask
the
commission
to
to
approve
the
design
alternative,
allowing
parking
up
front.
V
I
V
I
wanted
to
just
clarify
the
the
building
that
is
on
the
property
now
would
go
and
we
have
a
demolition
permit
in
and
it's
an
old
building
that
the
surrounding
neighbors
have
indicated
as
an
eyesore
and
the
neighborhood
association
is
excited
about
us,
taking
some
interest
and
really
improving
the
property.
I
would
also
note
that
the
new
building
that
we
are
planning
to
construct
is
a
little
bit
smaller
square
footage
than
the
existing,
so
we
are
actually
downsizing
the
building.
A
U
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
I
think
the
caller
who
objected
raises
a
very
valid
point.
There
is
no
other
spine
of
par
of
a
sidewalk
to
connect
this
to
which,
which
kind
of
plays
into
the
argument
we're
making
that
that,
even
if
we
do
put
the
parking
lot
to
the
to
the
rear,
there's
nowhere
that
this
is
is
going
to,
and
I
recognize
you
know,
city
staff
has
to
start
somewhere,
and
so
I
I
think
that
her
point
is
a
valid
one
that
there
it's
not
like.
U
This
would
be
the
one
sticking
out
that
doesn't
fit
inside
a
a
corridor
of
of
pedestrian
access,
and
it's
just
the
nature
of
this
industrial
strip
and
in
terms
of
the
bike
racks
I
mean,
obviously
that's
just
a
reference
to
the
city
requiring
what
it's
going
to
require
of
this
space
and
and
our
willingness
to
cooperate
with
it.
I
I
have
no
further
comments.
Thank
you.
C
I'm
sorry
this
is
chris
draper.
If
this
is
something
that's
known,
is
there
a
reason
that
the
building
needs
to
be
as
wide
as
it
is,
or
is
there
an
opportunity
to
narrow
the
building
to
actually
reuse
the
same
square
footage
in
this
space,
given
the
narrowness
of
the
lot,
or
is
there
a
reason
that
that
reconfiguration,
since
this
is
going
to
be
a
new,
build
anyway,
hasn't
been
considered.
U
Is
you
break
up
that
front
facade
of
all
that
glass?
It
triggers
a
whole
bunch
of
different
design
requirements
from
the
standpoint
of
sprinkled
glass
to
more
fire
resistant,
glaze
glass.
There's
we
went
through
the
standards
on
how
many
vertical
breaks
you
can
have,
how
many
horizontal
breaks
you
can
have,
and
essentially
what
ends
up
happening
is
aside
from
the
internal
breaks
between
retail
and
and
warehouse
space
that
we're
dealing
with.
U
We
also,
you
know
your
costs
just
start
going
up,
one
of
the
other
big
challenges
we
ran
into
with
this
with
this
particular
lot.
Aside
from
the
storm
water
detention
problems
that
we
had
to
acquire,
the
neighboring
parcel
for
to
get
access
to
the
back
is
there's,
there's
poor
water
flow
or
lower
water
volume
and
pressure
down
there
than
we
had
anticipated.
U
So
we're
doing
all
kinds
of
creator:
creative
fire
design
standards
to
to
achieve
the
safety
thresholds
we
want
and-
and
it
all
fits
into
the
same
puzzle,
and
so
when
we've
explored,
can
we
break
this?
Can
we
scan
it
up?
It
really
becomes
so
impractical,
it's
just
not
it's!
It's
almost
not
worth
it.
So
that's
kind
of
a
long
explanation
to
the
to
the
simple
question,
but
that's
really
what
we
ran
into
is:
if
we
we
end
up
pushing
that
parking
around
it
just
shifts
so
many
other
factors
and
raises
our
costs.
U
Even
more
I
mean,
if
you
look
at
the
elevation
jason,
if
you
can
pull
back
the
building
elevations,
if
you
were
to
do
a
side-by-side
comparison
of
what's
out
there
on
this
facility
right
now,
an
old,
dilapidated
metal
pole
building,
that's
just
a
gross
eyesore.
Compared
to
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
here,
I
mean
our
goal
with
this.
U
So
there's
there's
the
the
core
reason:
why
we're
pursuing
the
parking
in
the
front
and
and
again
from
our
perspective,
it's
we're
trying
to
balance
out
the
totality
of
all
these
factors
and
really
the
only
thing
that
the
city
would
be
essentially
compromising
on
is
an
urban
design
standard
that,
for
this
particular
neighborhood
and
this
area
of
industrial
design,
maybe
doesn't
really
have
the
same
weight
that
all
these
other
factors
we've
talked
about,
at
least
from
the
applicant's
perspective.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
jason
for
pulling
that
up.
No
further
comments.
H
Justin,
I'm
looking
at
the
landscape
plan
for
the
for
the
site.
Could
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
and
explain
to
us
how
the
the
the
landscaping
will
tend
to
break
the
massing
of
the
building
or
to
break
the
massing
of
the
the
surface?
The
plain
surface
of
the
parking
lot,
so
that
we
have
a
different
view
of
the
building
in
terms
of
the
parking
lot
being
masked?
Some
somewhat,
would
you
address
that
for
me,
please.
U
Yes,
okay,
thank
you
for
the
question
that
that's
the
very
valid
point
I
mean
our
first
goal
on
this
was
to
make
a
building
that
was
attractive
enough,
that
it
doesn't
need
a
lot
of
screening
and
then
the
second
part
I
think
our
designers
try
to
achieve.
Is
you
know,
working
with
the
city,
landscaping
standards,
what
what
is
required
there
for
the
species
of
vegetation
and
and
the
coverage,
but
I
mean
our
our
goal.
I
guess
coming
into
it
was
kind
of
the
opposite.
U
It
wasn't:
let's
try
to
figure
out
the
cheapest
ugliest
looking
building
and
then
hide
it.
We
we
are.
Essentially
we
recognize
that
when
city
council
approved
this,
they
did
it
in
large
part
because
they
want
an
attractive
facility
there,
and
so
the
ownership
got
behind
that
and
and
recognized
the
spirit
intent
of
that,
and
so
so
I
think
I
think
to
answer
your
question.
Yes,
there
is
some
screening,
that's
done
out
front.
U
I
I
have
not
been
as
involved
in
the
particular
species
and
the
design
elements
that
that
our
design
team
and
the
city
staff
worked
through
on
that.
But
I
know
what
they
were
trying
to
do
is
essentially
accomplish
the
same
same
standards
that
would
be
applied
on
any
type
of
project
like
this,
but
but
recognizing
that
you
know
our
overall
goal
is,
is
not
so
much
to
mask
the
building,
as
it
is
just
to
keep
the
the
overall
design
consistent
with
what
the
city
is
trying
to
to
achieve.
U
U
G
G
E
Madam
chair,
madam
chair,
this
is
rocky
this
you
know
this
section
of
army
post
road
is
is
needed,
revitalization
for
so
long,
and
I
think
the
applicant's
rational
logical
in
their
presentation
for
the
request.
So
with
that,
I
would
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
top
type
2
design
and
then
also
staff
recommendation
on
the
approval
of
the
public
hearing
site
plan.
I
E
G
We
could
incorporate
that.
I
guess
I
might
just
ask
for
a
little
more
detail.
If
you
don't,
if
you
don't
mind,
if
let
me
ask,
will,
are
you
thinking
like
maybe
a
knee
wall
or
something
that
provides
kind
of
a
a
frame
or
an
edge
closer
to
the
street,
that
kind
of
mimics
having
you
know
that
would
also
shield
like
cars
behind
it,
like
that
sort
of
thing
or
just
or
maybe
like
denser
planning
they're
like
a
hedge,
so
it's
kind
of.
G
D
D
H
G
Yeah,
I
think
it's
exciting.
We
are
returning
to
in-person
meetings,
so
hopefully
that
is
something
that
you
all
will
view.
As
a
positive,
I
mean
there's
been
a
lot
of
perks
to
these
electronic
meetings,
but
we
are
not
expecting
the
governor
to
extend
her
proclamation
past
the
the
current
one,
which
expires
on
july
25th.
G
As
you
will
recall,
there
was
originally
we're
gonna
expire
about
a
month
ago,
but
it
just
did
get
extended,
but
I'm
not
anticipating
that
that'll
happen
again.
We
are
moving
forward
with
intending
to
meet
in
person.
Posting
agenda
is
going
to
do
notices
for
in-person
meeting
for
august
5th.
We
will
be
back
at
the
municipal
service
center,
where
we've
previously
met
when
we
were
meeting
in
person,
be
happy
to
answer
questions
you
might
have
about
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
on
your
radar.