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From YouTube: 1-21-21 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting via teleconference on Thursday, January 21, 2021.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
Okay,
thank
you.
My
name
is
gian
freed
and
I'm
chair
plan
and
zoning
commission
and
I'll
read
the
rules
and
procedures.
The
plan
and
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
to
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
blocks.
Unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
community
development
department
staff
at
515-689-9485
for
details
on
council
hearings.
A
Applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request.
If
applicants
wish
to
share
materials
not
already
submitted
with
the
application,
please
email
them
to
planning
dmgov.org,
so
a
staff
host
may
be
able
to
share
them
on
the
screen.
When
you
present
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes,
staff
has
attempted
to
compile
a
list
of
people
who
would
like
to
speak
on
each
item.
A
A
Once
permission
to
speak
is
given
to
unmute
and
mute
dial
style
dial
star
6
on
your
phone.
You
will
be
required
to
give
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
prior
to
speaking.
Also,
we
ask
that
you
keep
your
microphones
and
phones
on
mute
unless
you've
been
given
the
chance
to
address
the
commission
by
the
chair
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
If
any
opponent
spoke.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
A
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
Items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval,
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report.
Unless
an
individual
president
or
member
of
the
commission
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda,
the
city
of
des
moines
is
pleased
to
provide
accommodations
to
individuals
or
groups
with
disabilities
and
encourages
participation
in
city
government.
C
E
F
D
A
A
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F
F
F
C
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F
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E
A
A
Thank
you
for
helping
me
with
that.
All
right
item
number
two
on
the
consent
agenda
hold
on
okay
request
from
polk
county
conservation
board,
represented
by
richard
leopold
for
the
vacation
of
the
following
segments
of
public
street
in
the
vicinity
of
3546
east
sheridan
avenue
for
purpose
of
of
a
project
to
remove
the
roadways
and
restore
the
area
for
incorporation
into
the
lower
four
mile.
Creek
greenway
joining
land
is
owned
by
polk
county.
A
A
A
A
One
household
lots
from
previously
approved
town
homes
and
reduced
the
minimum
lot
sizes
for
specified
lots
to
have
a
minimum
70
foot
width
and
minimum
9
600
square
foot
area
additional
subject:
property
is
owned
by
janet
bainter
and
the
city
of
des
moines.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
would
like
to
hear
this
item?
Item
number.
J
B
A
A
A
Item
number:
six:
requests
from
catholic
health
initiatives,
iowa
corporation
mercy,
medical
center,
represented
by
diane
cummins
for
review
and
approval
of
a
proposed
seventh
amendment
to
the
mercy,
medical
center
pud
conceptual
plan
on
property
located
in
the
vicinity
of
11116
avenue
to
allow
construction
of
a
canopy
on
the
building
known
as
411
laurel
street
and
revision
of
the
campus
sign
plan.
Is
there
anyone
listening?
Who
would
like
to
speak
to
this
item?
You'd
like
to
hear
this
item?
Please
raise
your
hand.
A
Okay,
we'll
leave
that
on
item
number,
seven
request
from
jacka
represented
by
curtis
carlson
for
the
following
regarding
the
property
in
the
vicinity
of
10
10
13th
street,
and
then
we
have
three
items
or
three
a
b
and
c.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
would
like
to
hear
this
item
you're
here
for
this
item.
A
M
B
M
B
A
A
A
A
B
N
A
A
G
F
O
O
O
A
A
O
O
H
A
A
A
A
A
K
I'm
not
speaking
in
favor
of
it
or
opposed
to
it
a
b
and
c
fall
within
sheridan
gardens,
d
e
and
f
fall
within
gray's
woods,
and
my
understanding
is
that
there
has
not
been
any
communication
with
either
neighborhood
about
this.
I
think
the
four
mile
project's
a
good
project,
but
I'm
very
concerned
that
when
you
are
going
to
vacate
and
remove
streets
in
a
neighborhood
that
you
have
not
consulted
with
those
neighborhoods
d,
e
and
f,
which
are
in
gray's,
woods
have
been
blocked
off.
K
They
were
blocked
off
by
bill
stowe,
probably
10
15
years
ago,
and
when
I
asked
bill
why
he
didn't
remove
the
streets.
He
said
in
order
to
vacate
and
remove
them.
He
felt
the
neighborhood
should
have
input
before
they
did
that
and
they're
already
blocked.
But
I
still
think
that
we
need
to
respect
our
neighborhoods,
and
I
would
like
to
see
this
continued
until
there
could
be
meetings
held
with
the
two
respective
neighborhoods
to
see
what
their
wishes
would
be.
K
O
B
P
Madam
chair,
this
is
michael
ludwig
playing
administrator.
The
information
on
the
notices
that
were
provided
to
both
sheridan
garden
and
grace
woods
by
city
staff
of
this
meeting
are
all
contained
in
the
staff
report.
Those
can
all
be
found
under
the
section
7
of
the
staff
report.
That's
on
page
two,
so
we
we
notif,
noted
or
wrote
in
the
staff
report
that
it
is
in
the
grayswood
and
sheridan
gardens.
A
C
F
F
F
P
Madam
chair,
this
is
michael
ludwig.
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
that
this
is
a
recommendation
only
to
the
city
council,
and
so
there
would
actually
be
a
receive
and
file
of
this
recommendation
by
the
council
and
then,
at
a
later
time
the
real
estate
division
of
the
city
would
be
setting
a
public
hearing
on
the
actual
vacation
of
the
right-of-way.
So
just
wanted
to
confirm
that
this
was
just
a
recommendation
to
the
council.
B
This
is
a
pud,
that's
been
on
the
books
since
the
early
2000s
and
it
was
amended
once
to
kind
of
carve
out
an
existing
household
and
reconfigure
at
one
time
the
you
can
see
there's
a
large
detention
basin,
so
one
portion
that's
been
implemented
from
the
original
approval.
Is
this
regional
basin
that
did
get
constructed?
B
There's
also
trail
development
through
through
the
property?
That's
also
been
constructed,
so
that's
in
place
now
this
has
had
approval.
Originally
this
had
approval
for
15
town
homes
in
this
area
and
then
50
residential
lots.
However,
the
over
time
the
flood
plain
designation
has
changed,
causing
the
ability
to
develop
some
of
the
areas
that
were
originally
approved.
You
know
to
have
to
be
rethought,
so
this
this
plan
will
reduce
the
number
of
lots
total
I'll.
B
B
B
B
This
is
looking
from
the
southwest
side,
where
the
trail
crosses
kind
of
actually
center,
so
you
can
see
now
the
trail
through
the
site
around
the
east
side
of
the
the
basin,
and
this
is
looking
more
directly
north
from
east
army
post
road
and
then
a
little
further
to
the
west.
I
believe
this
is
janet
bainer's
homestead,
which
is
within
the
pud
you'll,
see
on
the
map.
B
B
There's
two
street
areas
that
are
proposed
with,
I
believe
now:
39
lots
total,
including
the
three
that
would
replace
the
original
townhome
area
along
east
army
post
road
with
some
larger
lots
there.
One
of
them
is
kind
of
a
flag,
but
it
has
a
larger
piece
at
the
back
they're
all
over
ten
thousand
square
feet,
an
area.
B
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
staff
report,
but
really
the
major
concern
here
from
staff's
perspective
is
this:
this
doesn't
really
change
the
density.
In
fact,
it
somewhat
lowers
the
density
getting
rid
of
town
homes.
A
couple
you
know
a
handful
of
the
lots
are
being
proposed
with
smaller
lot
sizes.
Those
were
listed,
I
believe
in
the
staff
report.
B
But
for
for
the
most
part,
this
is
preserved
the
original
intent
of
larger
lots.
Most
of
them
are
at
least
80.
again,
there's
just
a
handful
that
would
be
between
70
and
80.,
so
I
don't
think
from
a
staff
perspective.
We
believe
that
that
was
really
altering
the
character
or
the
sort
of
you
know
placing
these
homes
too
close
together,
for
example,
which
might
be
a
concern
that
was
raised.
B
B
The
the
utilities
needed
to
serve
that
area
are
are
a
ways
away,
so
that
wouldn't
be
an
immediate
final
plat
that
would
come
about
with
this,
but
they
do
need
to
conceptually
show
how
they're
gonna
provide
those
sanitary
and
water
utilities
to
that
area.
In
lot
c,
so
one
of
the
recommendations
staff
is
making
is
to
show
that
in
the
plan
and
and
they're
available,
they
just
need
to
show
that
graphically
in
the
plan.
B
And
then
we
do
want
to
note
from
we
got
a
comment
from
the
fire
protection
bureau
that
they
need
a
note
that
would
require
any
preliminary
and
final
plats
to
show
dead.
End
segments
would
provide
proper
turnaround
for
for
fire
apparatus.
So
you'll
get
to
review
the
preliminary
platfor
for
this
to
reflect
this
amendment,
and
that
would
actually
be
something.
Then
that
would
be
shown
on
a
plat.
B
R
R
R
R
Oh,
I
sorry
I
meant
to
also
say
that
the
lot
sizes
are
all
80
foot,
except
for
four
of
them,
which
are
just
shy
of
the
80
feet.
I
think
I
have
four
lots
that
are
about
76
foot
wide,
so
just
a
little
shy
of
the
aed
and
then
otherwise
all
of
them
are
or
80
foot
plus
lots
which
are
bigger
than
the
lots
in
the
subdivision
to
the
north
and
the
subdivision
to
the
south.
R
R
And
as
far
as
the
open
space
goes,
the
center
ground
in
between
the
developable
parcels
is
a
12
acre
pond
and
green
green
belt,
with
a
wrecked
trail
going
through
it.
So
I
that,
along
with
our
outlook,
areas
that
are
not
developable
because
because
of
flood
plain
leaves
over,
half
of
this
development
has
open
space,
so
jerry's
homes
has
had
to
take
a
hit
on
what
they
were
able
to
develop
in
this
on
this
property.
R
I
think
it's
11
single
family
homes
and
the
town
home
parcel
that
they
were
going
to
develop
previously
so,
and
this
really
isn't
a
change
in
lot
sizes
compared
to
our
previous
pud
amendment.
The
previous
pud
amendment
was
all
80
foot
lots,
but
there
was
some
lots
within
the
original
pud
amendment
that
were
less
than
the
80
foot
as
well,
so
we're
not
really
changing
lot
sizes
from
what
we
had
previously.
B
L
L
B
P
R
A
S
S
Maybe
I
do
remember
seeing
some
information
on
a
purchase
agreement,
so
I'd
have
to
dig
into
that
and
see
exactly
what
the
agreements
are
but
kind
of
from
what
I'm
gathering
and-
and
I
don't
know,
if
melissa-
can
it
confer
to
this-
we
will
make
these
services
available,
so
they
will
be
stubbed,
but
they
will
be
not
be
connected.
Is
that
is
that
correct.
P
Madam
chair,
this
is
michael,
ludwig
planning
administrator.
I
think
our
expectation
when
this
pud
was
approved
was
that
the
existing
house
and
the
new
houses
would
connect
to
city
services,
urban
services,
which
would
include
sewer
service.
So
you
know
it
appears
that
this
is
a
private
issue
between
the
owner
of
that
lot
and
the
developer,
but
all
the
properties
are
still
within
the
pud.
There's
been
no
change
proposed
to
the
existing
notes
on
this
pud.
Regarding
this
matter,
so
from
a
staff
perspective,
we
do
believe
that
you
know
we.
P
B
You
and
the
other
clarification
is
that
the
fees
that
he
pays
are
based
on
his
water
usage
and
when
you're
on
septic
that's
reduced
because
of
the
amount
that
goes
into
that
would
go
into
this
the
sanitary
system,
but
those
fees
are
for
for
the
city-wide
and
regional
systems
and
upkeep
and
maintenance.
So
you
know
if
they're,
not
a
direct
beneficiary.
You
know
that
everybody
in
this
every
property
owner
in
the
city
pays
those
fees.
A
A
C
F
F
U
A
B
B
B
These
are
photos
you
can
see,
there's
already
containers
placed
in
these
locations
without
without
enclosures.
This
is
looking
from
southwest
23rd
to
the
east.
At
the
south
end,
then
this
is
looking
from
the
center
off
of
south
west
23rd
to
the
south
east
that
that
enclosure
areas
is,
you
know,
difficult
to
see
it's
back
here.
B
And
then
the
other
enclosure
is
right
here.
There
would
be
right
here.
This
is
another
container
that's
been
placed,
but
in
the
location,
but
does
not
have
an
enclosure
around
it.
Overall,
there's
some
other
things
going
on
here
that
were
touched
on
in
the
staff
report.
There's
currently
enclosures
in
these
areas
that
are
going
to
be
displaced
due
to
the
city's
project
to
run
sidewalk
along
the
west
side
of
florida
drive,
and
so
the
city's
acquisitions
are
causing
a
couple
of
situations.
B
B
There's
another
trash
container
that
gets
placed
here
that
they're
going
that
will
be
enclosed,
but
again,
that's
not
visible
from
either
street,
and
that's
not
the
subject
of
this.
The
two
that
are
in
question
are
this
one
up
at
the
north
end
of
the
parking
on
the
west
side
and
at
the
south
end
of
the
parking
on
the
west
side
and
then
there's
existing
enclosure
right
here
that
you
saw
in
the
photo
and
then
this
is
southwest
23rd.
B
B
B
This
is
a
example
of
the
the
material
that
would
be
the
composite
board.
This
is
commonly
allowed
as
an
alternate
design,
with
existing
built
multi-family,
more
multi-household
apartment
complexes,
so
this
is
a
good,
durable
solution.
This
is
the
alternate
design
that
gets
proposed
when
existing
apartments
that
have
not
had
enclosures
over
the
years
are
tr
renewing
their
rental
certificates.
They
generally
are
obligated
to
enclose
their
include
their
trash
containers,
and
so
this
is
the
commonly
accepted
solution.
The
gates
are
metal.
B
B
Putting
the
the
trash
containers
in
these
locations
is
not
going
to
present
an
adverse
impact
to
the
neighborhood,
so
we
do
want
to
make
sure
that
they
follow
the
design
that
they're
that
they're
proposing
this
is
considered
alternative
design
documentation
the
way
the
code
reads:
it's
not
a
full-blown
site
plan
for
the
for
the
complex.
It's
really
just
for
the
purposes
of
the
location
of
the
enclosures.
So
that's
why
you
see
that
reference
to
alternative
design
documentation?
A
A
V
V
The
locations
that
were
there
we
took
over
just
over
a
year
ago
were
not
ideally
placed
they
were
causing
overflow
dumpsters,
because
the
distribution
for
the
residents
wasn't
effective.
So
so
we've
come
up
with
these.
We
believe
locations
that
will
make
it
better
distribution
for
the
resident,
access
and
they're
more
strategic,
so
that
we
won't
be
having
unsightly
dumpster
overflowing
the
way
we
have
it
placed.
So
that's
simply
enough
the
request
and
we're
in
agreement
with
the
staff's
recommendation.
V
A
Q
Q
Q
I
wouldn't
really
I'm.
I
think,
calling
this
a
sketch
is
a
little
bit
of
a
it's
very
complementary
to
the
drawing
I'm
concerned
that
there's
not
enough
information
here
to
actually
construct
a
decent
trash
enclosure
and
frankly,
the
neighborhood
is
very
dubious
about
the
ability
of
this
landowner
to
follow
through
with
improving
the
current
situation.
Q
B
Madam
chair,
this
is
eric
lendy
clarification
on
something
he
said.
The
only
thing
in
front
of
you
is
the
location.
Now
the
commission
can
ask
for
enhanced
conditions
to
mitigate
the
the
design
alternative
for
the
location,
but
but
with
existing
sites,
the
proposed
construction
and
the
landscaping
meet.
What
we
would
we
would
allow,
and
so
the
other
three
locations
they're
proposing
you
know
those
would
be
allowed
and
you
wouldn't
those
wouldn't
be
under
review.
For
example,.
W
W
I've
called
property
managers
there
over
the
years
about
their
lack
of
maintenance,
so
I
I
believe
that
there
are
new
owners
that
bought
it
a
year
ago,
but
we
have
no
control
over
what
owners
will
be
there
tomorrow
or
a
year
from
now
or
10
years
from
now.
So
whatever
we
do
here
needs
to
sort
of
maximize
the
potential
for
proper
maintenance
of
this
property.
I
believe
the
owner
did
mention
they
have
or
had
problems
with
overflowing
trash
fence,
which
is
very
evident.
W
W
So
I
mentioned
that
as
an
example
of
the
lack
of
maintenance
of
this
property
and
that
we
should
do
everything
we
can
to
ensure
or
and
make
it
easier
for
them
to
properly
maintain
this
I've
seen
the
drawings
of
the
proposed
enclosures.
They
look
questionable
to
me.
Unfortunately,
I'm
not
able
to
read
the
landscape
map
on
malay
person,
so
I
don't
know
if
that's
adequate
or
not.
X
V
Yes,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
so
I
appreciate
the
feedback.
We
are
a
new
owner
just
over
a
year
and
we
recognize
a
lot
of
the
deficiencies
that
were
on
the
property
when
we
acquired
it.
We
have
a
lot
of
capital
projects
going
on
that
we've
done
during
2020
that
you
know
we
had
a
tough
time
with
covington
getting
stuff
done,
but
we
got
a
lot
done
and
we
have
a
lot
of
projects
in
2021
here
that
are
major
capital
projects
and
we,
you
know
we
were
addressing
the
parking
lots.
V
We
did
do
an
overlay
of
the
main
parking
lot
and
fixed
all
the
asphalt
issues
and
seal
coated
and
re-strike,
so
we
we
are
well
aware
of
those
issues
that
are
still
pending
on
that
southwest
corner
parking
lot
and
we
have
plans
to
improve
that.
I
I
really
appreciate
the
comments
about
that
being
a
front
yard
to
that
neighborhood
as
new
owners.
V
You
don't
think
of
that
you're
getting
other
things
done,
so
that
feedback
is
important
to
us
as
neighbors
and
we
did
take
down
that
fence
around
the
playground
and
we
hope
to
do
some
new
signage
as
well.
So
we
we
have
plans
for
major
improvements
and
we
have
a
good
reputation
as
owners
in
other
communities.
V
This
is
our
first
property
in
the
des
moines
area
and
we
hope
to
to
do
more
and
be
be
good
owners.
So
I
just
like
to
say
that
we've
looked
at
this.
From
that
standpoint,
we
are
limited
to
where
we
can
place
them
and
we
recognize
the
two
locations
out
on
facing
the
23rd
street
will
need
maybe
some
more
substantial
landscaping
to
block
that
and
that's
part
of
the
plan
outside
of
the
drawing
there.
So
I
appreciate
the
feedback
and
and
we're
open
to
to
those
ideas,
and
thank
you.
Y
Y
V
This
was
a
a
small
landscape
contractor
that
that
we
that
works
for
us,
and
so
it
was
sufficient
for
this
application
process,
and
I
hope
that
you
know
that
it
will
be
sufficient
for
for
the
city
to
use
for
this
approval.
I
I
guess
I'd
like
to
know
more
what
the
concern
is
of
actually
having
a
physical
picture
versus
I
mean,
because
this
encompasses
what
they
want
us
to
do,
it's
pretty
specific
and
other
than
actual
hiring
an
architect
to
do
a
drawing.
T
A
U
Jan
this
is
kayla
berkston.
I
would
just
say
that
there
was
a
note
about
the
slope
of
the
parking
lot,
maybe
not
working
out
with
the
dumpster
enclosure
design
and
looking
at
kind
of
the
drawings
available.
It
appears
that
the
gates,
you
know
it
doesn't
seem
like
it
would
really
work
very
well,
especially
in
the
northern
lot
there.
So
I
would
be
curious
if
they
they've,
you
know,
thought
through
that
with
the
typography
and
exactly
how
everything
would
fit
together.
B
B
So
then
you
go
back
to
the
the
plantings.
There
would
be
the
the
mock
oranges
around
that
can
that
would
be
a
shrubbery
and
then
there
right
next
to
it.
There
would
be
a
shade
tree,
a
hackberry
and
then
perennials
around
that.
So
you
know,
without
you
know,
a
rendering
or
something
it's
hard
to
describe
it.
B
But
but
from
our
perspective,
that's
following
the
requirement
that
we
would
have
in
any
other
location
on
the
site,
because
even
internally
to
the
site,
we
want
them
screened,
you
know
properly
and
and
then
they're
providing
a
pedestrian
access
kind
of
they
didn't
put
a
gate.
They
put
kind
of
a
walk
around
which
might
be
more
functional
for
people
to
walk
in
and
be
able
to
put
their
trash
into
the
container.
B
But
it's
the
way
it's
designed
it
would
screen
from
from
many
views
of
into
the
the
site
and
then
the
the
they
have
the
metal
framed
gates.
It's
it's
not
as
durable
as
a
you
know,
masonry
enclosure
that
you
would
see
with
a
new
project,
but
that's
fulfilling
the
the
normal
standard.
Again,
this
being
in
the
front
yard.
B
You
know
the
neighbors
are
expressing
concern
about
what
they're
going
to
have
to
look
at
so
right
now,
they're,
looking
at
an
enclosure
which,
by
the
way
you
know
that's,
been
given
to
the
neighborhood
inspection
folks,
so
that
they
understand
that
those
are
already
in
place
without
enclosures.
So,
regardless
of
until
the
enclosure
gets
put
there
they're
going
to
be
subject
to
enforcement,
I
I
can
put
it
on
the
next
photo
too.
If
you
want
to
kind
of
give
you
the
my.
B
Perspective
on
the
the
south,
one
like
I'm,
I'm
quite
a
bit
higher
and
I'm
actually
at
the
edge
of
that
other
parking
lot.
When
I
was
in
the
street,
I
didn't
even
see
the
the
container
so
from
the
I
had
to
drive
into
this
parking
lot.
So
when
you
look
at
the
the
aerial,
I
I
pulled
in
to
this
area
right
here
to
be
able
to
see
that,
but
when
I
was
in
the
street,
this
kind
of
rises
up
like
a
berm
and
it's
very
difficult
to
see
this
location
from
the
street.
B
G
T
The
mock
orange
that
are
right
next
to
it
are
a
shrub,
so
they
should
be
about
as
high
as
the
enclosure
is.
The
the
perennials
on
the
outside
are
lower.
So
at
least
it's
layered.
When
you
look
at
it
and
then
hackberry
is
an
overstory
tree,
so
it
really
won't
provide
screening,
but
it'll
provide
some
contrast
and
shade
for
other
purposes.
So
I
personally,
I
think
it
meets
whatever
criteria
we
have
for
screening.
Y
Greg
this
is
will
page
here.
Excuse
me,
you
know
I'm
looking
at
four
or
maybe
five
different
sites
for
for
the
the
planting
plan
and
is
the
drawing
that
we've
been
given.
I
mean,
and
these
sites
that
we're
looking
at
are
different
in
terms
of
in
scale
and
location,
slope
and
so
forth
is
the
drawing
that
we
see
or
the
planting
plan
sufficient
in
terms
of
being
sites
specific
for
these
various
different
locations.
B
It's
not
a
huge
investment
to
comply
with
getting
screening,
because
there's
so
many
pre-existing
apartment
buildings
around
the
city
and
when
we
go
to
get
rental
code,
you
know
if
they
have
to
build.
You
know
six
or
seven
enclosures.
You
know
that's
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
just
to
comply
with
a
standard,
so
so
we've
throughout
the
city
existing
locations
have
the
option
of
the
alternate
design,
and
some
of
this
is
coming
through
rental
code
side
of
things
too.
B
What's
being
done
here,
you
know
if
this
were
built
new
sure.
Certainly
we
wouldn't
even
have
the
parking
on
that
side
of
the
building.
We
would
have
the
buildings
to
the
street
and
the
parking
would
be
internal
and
it
probably
wouldn't
be
an
issue.
What
we're
faced
with
here
is
a
retrofit
of,
what's
going
on
so
they're
trying
to
increase
the
number
of
enclosed,
enclosures
and
and
container
locations
to
get
better
distribution,
so
they
don't
have
the
issues
with
the
overflow.
B
B
Z
C
F
F
D
J
Yes,
so
item
number
12
is
a
request
from
wesley
retirement
services.
It's
for
property
located
at
3520
grand
avenue
and
401
37th
street,
and
it
would
allow
for
review
and
approval
of
an
amendment
to
the
wesley
acres,
pud
they're,
proposing
a
series
of
nine
amendments
which
I'll
go
through
here
shortly.
J
J
As
I
mentioned,
they
are
proposing
a
series
of
nine
amendments
to
the
pud,
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
those
right
now.
The
first
would
be
the
construction
of
a
new
addition
on
the
north
side
of
the
appeal
of
the
building
complex,
which
would
create
a
new
main
entrance
for
the
facility
and
would
allow
for
the
reconfiguration
of
this
parking
here
along
grand
avenue.
If
you
can
see
where
my
cursor
is
here,
is
the
location
of
that
edition.
J
The
second
amendment
would
be
to
put
a
small
edition
right
here
by
the
letter
j
and
it
would
be
for
a
new
west
entrance,
the
third
chain
or
the
third
amendment.
Revision
is
probably
the
most
controversial,
and
that
is
the
addition
of
a
a
new
pool
and
auditorium
in
this
area.
Right
here.
As
you
can
see,
there
are
on
two
or
three
single-family
residences,
just
about
100
feet
to
the
west
of
here
who
you'll
be
hearing
from
later
who
have
concerns
with
this
edition
here.
J
J
Previously
there
was
a
day
care
and
child
or
preschool
facility
within
the
building,
so
the
pod
required
the
areas
where
alcohol
would
be
served
to
stay
far
away
from
those
areas.
However,
since
the
daycare
and
the
preschool
are
no
longer
there,
they
are
wanting
to
expand
the
alcohol
service
to
all
the
dining
areas
within
the
building.
J
The
eighth
change
would
be
to
eliminate
the
daycare
and
the
preschool
used
from
the
pud,
and
then
the
ninth
change
would
be
to
update
the
list
of
permitted
accessory
uses
that
are
allowed
by
the
pud.
I'm
gonna
I'm
switch
to
sheet
the
front
page
of
the
pud
and
in
this
area
down
here
they
describe
what
accessory
uses
are
allowed,
and
I
want
to
point
out
that
these
accessory
uses
are
only
allowed
so
long
as
the
primary
use
of
the
property
continues
as
a
retirement
community.
J
So
if
the
neighbors
are
worried
that
these
uses
would
be
allowed,
if
the
retirement
community
would
ever
go
away,
that
would
not
be
possible
by
this
amendment,
and
all
of
these
accessory
uses
are
typical,
typically
of
what
you
would
find
within
a
retirement
community,
and
all
of
these
are
actually
happening
today.
So
this
pd
amendment
is
really
just
legitimizing
those
existing
uses,
and
then
they
also
have
some
notes
here.
J
That
limit
and
put
some
controls
on
the
sale
of
alcohol
and
these
conditions
that
they've
put
on
here
are
really
standard
to
what
the
board
of
adjustment
would
put
on
that
if
they
ever
or
if
they
were
to
request
a
conditional
use
for
such.
But
since
it's
a
pud,
the
zoning
is
controlled
by
this
document.
Today,
now
I'll
show
you
some
elevations
of
what
their
proposed
editions
would
look
like
and
again
this
one
at
the
top
of
your
screen
is
the
largest
edition
on
that
west
side.
J
J
This
is
now
we're
back
on
the
west
side.
This
is
the
location
of
the
proposed
bigger
edition
on
the
west
side,
and
then
this
is
looking
at
that
west
property
line
towards
the
houses
immediately
to
the
west,
and
I
believe
the
owners
of
these
homes
are
on
this
meeting,
so
you'll
be
hearing
from
them
this
evening.
Now
we
move
over
to
37th
street.
This
is
the
garage
that's
on
the
condominium
property
immediately
to
the
north,
which
is
at
the
corner
of
37th
and
grand
avenue.
J
They
have
a
below
grade
garage
here
and
the
proposed
parking
addition
along
37th
street.
If
you
see
where
my
cursor
is
here,
that's
again
that
garage
the
new
parking
would
be
within
this
area
here,
so
it
would
be
no
closer
to
the
front
property
line.
This
existing
garage,
but,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
staff's
recommending
that
the
parking
be
limited
to
be
no
closer
than
the
existing
building,
and
this
is
that
bolton
building,
that's
along
37th
street,
and
then
this
is
looking
back
towards
the
north.
J
As
far
as
the
staff
recommendation
goes,
we
do
believe
that
the
amendment
is
appropriate.
We
recognize
that
wesley
acres
needs
to
make
some
modifications
and
some
changes
in
order
to
stay
relevant
in
order
to
maintain
their
use.
So
we
are
sympathetic
to
that.
We
have
recommended
a
few
conditions
that
we
feel
should
minimize
any
impact
on
the
adjoining
property
owners
and
I'll
just
go
through
those
quickly.
J
J
So
this
is
one
of
the
two
conditions
that
the
applicant
doesn't
agree
with.
They
would
like
they
agree
with.
Not
having
the
drive
approach,
but
they
would
like
to
strike
the
first
part
of
this
condition
so
that
they
could
have
those
eight
extra
parking
spaces
condition.
Five
we've
recommended
that
all
lighting
use
a
full
cut
off,
directional
lighting
to
prevent
glare
and
spill
over
onto
the
adjoining
streets
and
abutting
in
neighborhood
zoned
lots.
J
J
Eight,
a
provision
of
a
note
that
states
any
sailor
service
of
alcohol
shall
be
in
accordance
with
the
necessary
permit
obtained
through
the
city
clerk
and
issued
by
a
city
council
and
the
nine
that
they
comply
with
all
administrative
review,
comments
of
the
pud
conceptual
plan
and
again
item
or
conditions.
Four
and
six
are
really
the
two
that
the
applicant
does
not
agree
to,
and
next
I'm
going
to
scroll
through
on
the
comments
as
you'll
see.
J
J
J
J
And
this
was
just
a
letter
that
margaret
stewart
had
mailed
to
the
neighborhood
association
back
in
2019,
when
des
moines
university
was
announcing
their
plans
to
relocate
all
right,
the
next
10
I'm
going
to
go
through
real
quickly.
These
are
emails
and
statements
that
wesley
submitted
from
residents
of
their
complex
in
support
of
their
proposal.
J
J
J
E
J
All
right
so
now
we're
going
to
get
into
some
of
the
opposition.
We
have
this
letter
here
from
the
greenwood
historic
neighborhood
association
in
opposition
and,
like
I
said
I'll,
show
these
letters
at
length
when
these
people
are
speaking
to
the
commission.
Tonight
have
another
one
from
eaton
young,
another
one
from
mike
fitzpatrick
and
cynthia
o'brien,
and
a
three-page
letter
here
from
scott
and
kristen
carlson
and
they've
also
submitted
some
photos
of
what
they
would
see
from
their
backyard
they're,
one
of
the
two
or
three
houses.
That
would
be
most
impacted
by
the
proposed
edition.
J
J
J
So
we
have
the
signature
from
scott
carlson
I
reached
out
to
the
mcphees
and
the
fitzpatricks
today
to
get
something
with
their
signature,
so
that
when
it
goes
to
city
council,
they
could
be
colored
red
on
the
map
and
then
just
quickly
showed
the
neighborhood
outreach
letter
that
wesley
life
had
sent
to
the
residents,
and
then
this
was
their
neighborhood
outreach
summary.
So
I
know
I
covered
a
lot.
Was
there
any
questions
for
me
before
we
hear
from
the
applicant.
AA
Bert
this
is
abby.
I
just
want
a
clarification
on
the
staff
recommendation
number
seven
about
the
stormwater
basin
on
the
southern
portion.
It
says
any
future.
Pud
final
development
site
plan
would
require
certification
by
a
licensed
engineer.
So
I
assume,
when
you
say,
future
final
development
site
plan.
That
would
be
the
next
phase
of
this.
AA
J
Well,
there
was
some
speculation
from
the
neighbors
that
it
wasn't
functioning
as
it
should,
but
I
know
the
their
engineers
have
met
with
adam
perlap,
one
of
the
city
engineers,
and
I
think
adam
prillop
was
comfortable
that
the
basin
could
be
mode.
It
would
only
take
slight
modifications
for
it
to
be
functioning
as
designed,
so
he
helped
me
craft
that
condition
that
we
just
require
that
certification
with
that
site
plan
at
the
next
phase.
AA
A
A
A
AB
Okay,
great
yeah,
my
name
is
daryn
schlopkol,
I'm
the
vice
president
of
development,
construction
for
wesley
life.
My
address
is
12817
cardinal
lane
in
urbandale
iowa,
and
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
the
opportunity
tonight.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
to
the
entire
commission.
So
we
could
present
this
project.
I'd
also
like
to
thank
bert
for
all
of
his
help
and
all
the
city
staff.
That's
assisted
us
over
the
last
several
weeks
to
be
able
to
present.
AB
AB
But
several
months
ago
I
attended
a
neighborhood
meeting
for
harry
bookies
project,
just
down
the
to
the
west
on
grand
and
one
of
the
attendees
stood
up
and
spoke
about
how
important
it
was
for
them
to
be
able
to
see
some
of
the
classic
architecture
of
these
buildings
and
maybe
homes
that
are
along
grand.
So
it
was
important
to
us
to
create
an
environment
by
which
we
can
share
our
history
with
with
folks
that
aren't
necessarily
residents,
but
maybe
guests
of
residents
or
someone
within
the
neighborhood.
AB
AB
The
current
campus
has
been
added
on
to
multiple
times
over
the
years,
but
we
feel
that
this
is
a
direction
we
need
to
go
in
order
to
continue
to
tie
that
aspect
of
the
classic
architecture
back
into
this
campus.
Let's
see
one
on
the
more
technical
side
of
the
design
process.
Our
number
one
objective
was
storm
water,
and
I
appreciate
the
early
question
asking
about
that.
AB
Actually,
what
bishop
engineering
has
done
is
designed
a
system
now
that
will
actually
discharge
less
than
half
of
the
water
that
we
are
currently
discharging
through
a
new
water
feature
on
the
front
part
of
the
property
that
bert
showed
in
his
original
plan
and
a
small
expansion
to
the
existing
detention
area.
That's
back
in
the
wooded
area,
so
a
huge
win
for
everybody.
It
was
a.
AB
It
was
the
number
one
thing
on
our
list
to
make
sure
we
addressed
that
right
away,
so
that
that
wouldn't
be
an
issue
for
anyone
south
of
us
in
the
neighborhoods
to
the
south.
That
is,
we
started
this
project
with
more
than
45
green
space.
On
the
campus,
we
are
still
above
that
percentage
with
our
current
plan,
we're
making
a
significant
investment
in
landscaping
throughout
the
grounds,
as
well
as
buffering
our
campus
from
neighboring
properties,
specifically
kevin
mcphee
and
scott
carlson's
properties.
AB
I'm
sure
they'll
speak
to
that
and
some
things
that
happened
multiple
years
ago,
I've
been
with
wesley
life
two
and
a
half
years.
I
can't
speak
to
what
happened
in
the
past,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
everything
that
I've
committed
to
and
we've
committed
to
thus
far
we
have
done,
and
we
intend
to
do
so.
AB
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
were
very
transparent
in
our
efforts
to
create
some
really
nice
green
spaces
and
bufferings
between
us
and
the
adjacent
residential
properties.
We've
evaluated
parking
concerns.
We
are
still
asking
to
include
the
eight
spots.
Those
eight
spots
will
relieve
a
little
bit
of
pressure,
mostly
at
the
bolton
for
guests
and
residents
there,
but
also
for
our
auxiliary
uses
for
the
neighborhood
and
for
the
community
just
to
ensure
that
we
do
have
all
the
parking.
AB
We
need
to
continue
to
be
that
great
neighbor
that
we
are
and
have
been
for
you
know,
over
70
years
we
feel
strongly
we've
taken
every
question
and
concern
from
the
neighborhood
into
consideration.
We've
met
multiple
times
with
scott
and
kevin,
specifically
the
president
of
the
greenwood
historic
neighborhood
association.
Other
members,
we've
done
zoom
meeting
a
zoo
meeting
to
show
them
the
whole
entire
plan.
AB
AB
I
think.
Lastly,
I
would
say
that
again,
I
feel,
like
we've,
listened
to
the
questions
and
concerns
we've
addressed
every
single
one
to
date
there
are
some
specifics
about
the
the
building
the
new
buildings
in
question
I
and
h
that
we
can
get
into
a
little
bit
further
because
I
know
that'll
be
a
topic
of
discussion
but
yeah.
I
again
we're
excited
about
this
project.
It
keeps
our
campus
relevant
for
a
number
of
years,
especially
when
competition
continues
to
become.
AB
AB
A
A
AC
Hi
carol
maher
701,
polk
boulevard
des
moines
iowa.
I
think
it
looks
really
great.
I
just
have
one
request:
there's
an
awful
lot
of
concrete
around
there.
I'm
wondering
if
you
consider
finding
a
place
for
some
bike
racks,
so
people
that
may
want
to
come
to
visit
residents
could
ride
their
bike
versus
using
all
those
parking
spaces
and
maybe
be
a
little
bit
more
green
in
arriving
to
visit
thanks.
AC
A
J
AD
Oh
okay,
all
right!
You
guys!
Are
you
guys
reading
me
loud
and
clear?
Now?
Yes,
yes,
okay,
hey
good
evening,
commissioners,
thanks
for
being
here,
nicholas
larson
president
greenhouse
historic
neighborhood
association,
127
34th
street
des
moines,
iowa
503,
one
two,
so
I'll
just
I'll
get
right
to
it.
Speaking
out
in
opposition
greenwood
historic
neighborhood
association,
you
know,
has
had
ongoing
contact
with
wesley
acres
regarding
their
ped
conceptual
plan,
their
face-to-face
meetings,
phone
calls
and
emails.
AD
I
believe
that
we
have
found
more
common
ground
than
expected
are
willing
to
enter
into
a
written
agreement
with
wesley
acres
concerning
use
restrictions
related
to
no
further
development,
south
of
its
property
and
proper
maintenance
of
its
detention.
Pond,
where
we
have
reached
an
impasse
with
wesley
acres,
is
concerning
the
development
on
its
property's
west
side
adjacent
to
homes
on
37th
street
greenwood,
historic
neighborhood
association's
primary
mission
is
to
uphold
and
protect
the
safety,
value
and
historical
integrity
of
our
greenwood
historic
neighborhood
for
current
residents
and
future
generations
to
come.
AD
We
believe
that
the
current
architectural
design
encroaching
on
our
neighbors
on
37th
street,
which
includes
an
extension
of
parking
to
the
west
towards
37th
street,
and
the
addition
of
a
40-foot
tall
pool
complex
attached
to
an
addition
behind
these
homes
threatens
these
core
values.
As
mentioned
wesley
has
communicated
with
us,
and
we
appreciate
their
transparency.
AD
We
hear
their
concern
for
the
expansion
of
their
business
recognizing
this.
We
believe
that,
by
choosing
to
establish
their
business
in
this
area,
they
realize
the
restrictions
that
would
present
themselves
over
time
as
a
neighborhood.
We
recognize
the
asset
of
wesley
acres
to
our
community
and
also
consider
ourselves
an
asset
to
them.
Our
stance,
which
is
to
preserve
the
integrity
of
our
neighborhood,
is
not
done
out
of
a
desire
to
say
no
to
every
proposed
project.
AD
AD
Making
this
decision
in
order
to
improve
the
bottom
line
of
a
tax-exempt
commercial
entity
is
not
justification
to
diminish
the
residential
aspect
of
our
neighborhood
and
potentially
decrease
the
property
values
of
the
adjacent
residential
properties.
The
hardships
presented
to
many
of
our
residents
this
year
and
the
face
of
the
pandemic
have
been
great,
but
certainly
not
unique.
AD
AE
You
know
we
moved
here
in
2018
and
we
looked
at
dozens
of
houses
and
we
jumped
all
over
the
opportunity
to
move
in
this
neighborhood
because
of
the
stature
of
the
neighborhood,
the
beauty
of
it
and
its
historical
qualities
and
as
a
homeowner
in
this
neighborhood.
We
believe
that
we
are
preserving
this
home
that
is
over
a
hundred
years
old
for
hopefully
another
hundred
years.
AE
We
would
welcome
others
to
come.
Take
a
walk
through.
There
were
some
pictures
and
if
you
could
go
to
the
presentation
that
I
submitted,
I
I
think
a
picture
is
worth
a
thousand
a
thousand
words
and
if
you
go
to
the
next
one,
my
home
is
the
mcafee
home.
These
red
x's
are
trees
that
are
going
to
be
removed,
which
would
do
some
buffering
item
six
and
the
staff
recommendation
talks
about
buffering
for
the
parking,
but
nothing
resulting
in
the
landscaping
that
will
buffer
this
big
addition.
AE
If
you
go
to
slide
three
or
that
page
three,
this
3d
visual,
I
think,
is
really
impactful.
I
know
there
have
been
a
few
changes,
but
if
you
look
at
the
height
of
that
and
the
westward
facing
and
note
the
glass
reflection,
you
know
that
is
directly
in
behind
our
backyard.
The
red
or
the
blue
star
is
our
patio
and
is
a
frame
of
reference.
AE
So
not
only
does
it
come
further
west
and
adds
height,
that
thing
will
add
further
intensity
of
usage
through
people
coming
in
and
using
it,
and
so
we're
very
concerned
about
that.
You
know
this
has
two
bedrooms:
our
living
area,
our
outdoor
patio
and
living
space,
which
again
is
directly
behind
our
home.
AE
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
picture
again
from
our
second
floor,
master
bedroom,
you'll
see
kind
of
a
rough
visualization
that
building
will
take
up
the
blue
space.
It
will
fill
the
top
of
the
buildings.
If
you
go
to
the
next
page
again,
we
don't
have
a
3d
visual
from
ours.
These
are
my
crude
skills,
but
you
know
that
is
going
to
further
dominate
and
encroach
on
our
property.
AE
AE
That
red
spot
is
going
to
be
that
glass
window
it's
going
to
be
lit
through
the
night,
and
so
our
ability
to
continue
to
use
our
patio
is
going
to
be
disrupted
on
the
next
page.
You
know
darren
mentioned,
there's
been
lots
of
discussions.
There's
been
some
reconsideration,
we
had
suggested
flipping
the
big
building
so
that,
instead
of
directly
behind
our
house,
it's
behind
the
bolton.
There
are
a
few
minor
changes,
but
again,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they're
not
sufficient
to
buffer
our
property
from
this
new
building.
AE
We
have
seen
landscaping
that
is
buffering,
and
we
appreciate
that.
But
you
know
you're
replacing
hundred-year-old
trees
and
open
air
with
new
landscaping,
which
just
is
not
going
to
be
sufficient,
so
we
would
be
supportive
of
something
that
is
smaller,
ideally
elsewhere,
on
the
property.
You
know,
I,
I
read
some
of
the
residents
views.
Of
course
there
would
like
these
amenities,
but
this
is
unnecessary
to
allow
wesley
acres
to
fulfill
their
mission.
AE
It's
a
nice
to
have
and
of
course
it
would
be
beautiful,
but
not
at
the
cost
of
our
property
value
and
the
ability
to
use
our
property.
So
you
know-
and
in
closing
you
know
the
next
slide,
you
know
what
what
if
it
was
your
home
and
we've
asked
that
question
when
folks
have
come
tour
this
and
you
know,
there's
not
a
good
response.
So
I
appreciate
the
time
and
thank
you
for
your
consideration.
AE
A
AF
AF
AF
AF
More
importantly,
this
flow
has
resulted
in
two
of
our
residents
losing
their
homes
and
the
city
of
des
moines
losing
part
of
its
tax
base.
If
and
when
the
wesley
acres
pud
is
approved,
I
am
advocating
for
the
attached
condition
that
requires
an
independent
inspection
of
all
detention.
Areas
on
their
property
should
be
submitted
to
the
city
on
an
annual
basis.
AF
AF
AH
I'm
mark
hello,
I'm
here.
My
name
is
rochelle
quiner
and
I
live
at
119
34th
street.
Can
you
hear
me
yeah?
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
time
this
evening
I
am
the
acting
vice
president
of
greenwood
historic
neighborhood
association,
greenwood
historic
neighborhood
association.
Ghna
was
formed
over
20
years
ago.
Its
formation
was
a
direct
response
to
the
city
of
des
moines
request
to
have
neighborhood
groups
formed
to
protect
their
interests.
AH
Long
before
this,
according
to
the
des
moines
development
forum
and
an
article
titled,
a
historic
street
transformed
grand
avenue
west
of
downtown
was
called
the
grand
dame
of
des
moines
with
spacious,
mansions
and
tree
filled
yards
residents.
Then
most
likely
could
not
have
imagined
that
most
of
the
properties
along
grand
avenue
would
turn
into
funeral
parlors
and
what
some
call
insurance
row.
AH
The
properties
that
now
com
excuse
me
comprise
gh
a
are
similar
in
character
to
the
homes
on
grand
and
were
built
in
the
early
part
of
the
20th
century.
There
is
a
home
on
37th
street
that
used
to
be
inhabited
by
vice
president
henry
a
wallace
that
hosted
three
u.s
presidents,
famous
feminist
author
and
activist
louise
now,
and
grew
up
in
one
of
the
first
houses
on
37th
street.
AH
She
was
born
in
1908
and
at
the
time
the
house
sat
in
the
midst
of
the
family's
small
farm,
but
was
later
portioned
off
into
other
lots
bill
bryson's
book,
the
thunderbolt
kid
which
details
being
raised
in
our
neighborhood
in
the
1950s
and
1960s
paints
a
picture
of
kids
playing
in
the
streets
with
the
light
until
the
street
lights
came
on,
enjoying
the
woods
and
taking
in
the
stately
amenities
that
des
moines
had
to
offer
like
theaters
and
the
yonkers
tea
room.
The
area
was
then
and
continues
to
be,
a
sought
after
place
to
live.
AH
As
far
as
my
research
permits
me
to
understand,
this
neighborhood
has
been
on
the
defensive
from
corporate
development,
starting
in
the
1970s,
when
st
joseph
academy
was
bought
by
des
moines
university
hereby
referenced
as
dmu
in
the
1980s
residents
in
our
neighborhood
entered
into
legal
mitigation,
with
the
zoning
board
and
dmu
simply
put.
This
was
for
reasons
of
development
and
raise
residents
feeling
misled
later
in
2002,
a
street
with
11
houses
that
reached
south
of
grand
was
demolished
one
year
after
the
city
of
des
moines
repaved
their
streets.
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
I
would
urge
our
corporate
neighbors
to
not
develop
to
the
maximum
of
their
footprint
and
to
please
work
to
keep
the
historic
integrity
of
the
area
in
a
relatively
short
span
of
time.
Grand
avenue
has
changed
drastically
and
I
would
urge
us
all
to
be
cautious
of
further
development,
south
and
west
into
our
neighborhoods.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
this
evening.
AI
Okay,
I
will
be
brief.
My
name
is
mark
quiner
and
I
live
at
119
34th
street
des
moines,
iowa
50312.,
I'm
speaking
in
opposition
to
wesley
acres,
proposed
pud
amendment.
If
I
could
summarize
the
nature
of
my
opposite
opposition,
it
is
simply
that
we
have
another
situation
where
a
large
organization
wants
to
encroach
on
our
neighborhood.
AI
AI
AI
This
conversation
tonight
is
about
economic
loss.
Wesley's
expansion
plans
will
be
a
double
gut
punch
following
a
year
where
many
people
in
our
community
have
experienced
significant
hardships
from
colgate.
19.
wesley
only
cares
about
residents
of
our
neighborhood
in
so
much
as
it
impacts
their
bottom
line.
Beyond
that
they
are
happy
to
bully
their
way
into
getting
what
they
want.
I
am
asking
the
city
of
des
moines
to
take
a
hard
look
at
what
is
being
asked
and
to
put
the
economic
needs
of
private
residents
over
the
economic
needs
of
a
tax-exempt
business.
Thank
you.
AJ
Hi,
madam
chair,
can
you
hear
me,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
yes
hi.
I
I
I
want
to
just
add
my
comments
to
mr
mcafee.
I
I
my
name
is
craig
gibbs
and
I
live
on
30
207
37th
street
on
the
west
side
of
37th
street
in
general.
I
I
support
wesley
acres
expansion.
I
believe
they've
been
a
a
good
neighbor
over
many
years,
but
I
do
have
concerns
along
that.
AJ
AJ
AK
AK
I'm
going
to
read
to
you
a
section
from
the
minutes
of
the
ghna
meeting
of
november
30th
2000,
and
these
minutes
were
not
included
in
my
letter.
This
is
something
that
our
neighborhood
board
has
become
aware
of.
Recently.
Is
these
minutes
from
november
30th
2000
meeting
as
I
read
them,
you'll
notice
how
similar
the
issues
of
more
than
20
years
ago
are
to
those
we
are
discussing
today.
AK
So
this
from
the
minutes
november,
30th
2000
rod
cruisey
reminded
us
that
chris
hensley
bill
van
osdel
and
charlie
lazier
have
all
encouraged
us
to
get
involved
by
taking
our
neighborhood
to
a
higher
level.
Rod
asks
for
everyone's
support
in
asking
wesley
acres
to
be
a
good
neighbor
by
limiting
their
growth
to
their
current
size.
AK
Rod
informed
us
that
wesley
acres
wants
to
amend
their
pud
to
include
a
child
care
facility.
This
request
is
critical
to
the
neighborhood
because
of
the
concern
that
wesley
owns
a
large
amount
of
property
that
extends
to
the
established
neighborhood
and
in
time,
could
potentially
create
an
access
onto
almond
drive.
Wesley
acres
has
said
that
they
have
no
intentions
of
developing
into
this
wooded
residentially
zoned
area,
but
that
would
not
limit
their
rights.
AK
The
neighbors
fear
that
the
continued
growth
of
wesley
acres
into
the
woods
reduce
the
reduces
the
existing
buffer
and
ultimately
reduces
the
quality
environment
for
the
adjacent
residential
neighborhood
other
byproducts
of
wesley
acres.
Continued
growth
are
as
follows:
increased
lighting
without
shielded
light
sources,
increased
noise,
increased
vehicular
traffic
loss
of
buffer
for
residential
area
from
high
destiny,
used
failure
to
protect
some
of
the
last
urban
forestry.
AK
Uncontrolled
high
density
development
in
a
stable
neighborhood
could
diminish
or
destroy
property
values.
The
neighborhood
is
asked
to
sign
a
petition
that
requests
that
wesley
acres,
complete,
specified
landscaping
required
by
a
1992
pud
limit
development
to
that
currently
existing
or
in
progress
maintain
the
undeveloped
woodlands
undeveloped
by
any
improvements
should
not
use
the
residentially
zoned
property.
The
wooded
area
to
the
south
for
access
to
their
complex
susan
moritz
of
wesley
acres,
who
was
a
member
of
the
greenwood
historic
neighborhood
association,
asked
to
respond.
AK
She
stated
that
the
children's
garden
had
lost
their
lease
and
was
looking
to
relocate
when
they
came
to
wesley
acres.
Christie.
Legere
responded
that
she
had
spoken
with
the
owner
of
the
property
where
children's
garden
is
a
tenant
and
he
told
her
that
children's
gardens
has
not
lost
their
lease
and
were
welcome
to
stay
ups
for
as
long
as
they
choose
the
petition
was
passed
for.
Signatures
of
the
neighbors
meeting
was
adjourned
at
9
00
p.m,
so
those
are
minutes
from
more
than
20
years
ago
and
the
issues
just
sound.
AK
So
much
like
what
we've
been
talking
about
today
and
over
the
years
between
now
and
then
from
a
personal
standpoint,
my
house
is
several
blocks
to
the
south
of
wesley
acres.
I
can't
see
their
campus
from
my
house.
However,
I
feel
just
as
strongly
as
my
friends
on
37th
street
that
any
further
encroachment
on
the
neighborhood,
either
physically
or
visually,
will
eventually
erode
property
values
in
the
entire
neighborhood.
AK
AK
Many
of
the
residents
of
wesley
acres,
owned
homes
in
this
neighborhood
are
nearby
and
the
neighborhood
is
the
reason
they've
chosen
wesley
acres
for
their
later
years,
any
additional
creep
into
our
neighborhood,
either
physical
or
visual
needs
to
be
prevented,
and
I'm
just
gonna
add.
I
really
appreciate
some
of
the
things
that
wesley
acres
is
planning
to
do.
For
example,
renovating
the
chamberlain
house,
it's
primarily,
as
others
have
noted.
AK
This
pool
complex
on
the
west
side
is
a
big
concern
for
the
character
of
our
neighborhood
and
and
just
looking
at
all
the
letters
that
came
in
in
support
of
what
wesley
wants
to
do.
It
makes
me
think
the
more
they
build
there,
the
more
residents
they
have
well
they're
gonna.
They
might
have
many
people
supporting,
as
opposed
to
our
neighborhood
who's,
been
here
far
longer
than
them.
But
of
course
we
have
fewer
people
to
speak.
So
I
do
thank
you
for
the
opportunity.
For
me
to
speak
tonight,
thank.
AL
AL
Yeah
I
mean
I
want
to
talk
specifically
about
the
variance
request
to
expand
the
parking
lot
to
the
south
along
37th
street
and
it
kind
of
ties
in
with
what
other
people
have
talked
about
with
the
scope
creep.
That's
going
on,
I
mean
if
you
can
go
out
to
webs
wesley's
website
and
they
do
a
nice
job
explaining
the
history
of
their
property.
AL
But
you
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
their
founding
organization
from
mount
pleasant
bought
a
private
residence
in
a
residential
neighborhood
and
in
the
last
20
or
30
years
they
basically
built
the
city
around
it.
I
mean,
in
my
opinion,
it's
already
over
developed
and
very
dense
and
now
they're
they're.
You
know
what's
happened
over
a
period
of
time.
Is
we
saw
this
with
des
moines
university
as
well.
AL
They
apply
for
a
variance
get
that
they
apply
for
another
variance,
and
it's
always
more
and
more
and
more,
and
I
think
we're
we're
heading
down
a
very
slippery
slope
with
this
west
side
expansion,
because
if
you
break
that
glass
and
allow,
even
though
that's
a
small
parking
lot
with
eight
spots,
now,
you've
broken
that
that
glass
and
and
they're
now
237th
street-
and
I
submitted
a
couple
of
pictures
to
the
commission-
there's
a
sizable
empty
property
there.
I
would
venture
to
say
this
is
a
multiple.
AL
This
is
probably
four
or
five
six
times
the
size
of
the
eight
spots
that
they
want
to
do
and
I'm
literally
standing
in
that
parking
lot
facing
south.
This
is
behind
the
wesley
bolton
and
those
brick
walls
are
the
back
side
of
garages.
So
what
I
don't
understand
is
for
eight
spots:
why
couldn't
they
develop
it
right?
There
I
mean
it.
It
touches
the
parking
lot
to
me.
AL
AL
We
have
when
greenwood
elementary
school
is
in
session,
and
I
would
say
it
sets
the
table
for
eventually
my
expectation
is
they'll
want
to
take
wesley
bolton
down
and
the
reason
why
they
don't
want
to
put
a
parking
lot
in
this
space
is
because
this,
then,
is
the
next
big
structure
and
now,
if
you're
kevin
mcphee,
now
you've
got
a
sizable
structure
to
your
east
and
to
your
north
and
and
again,
history
supports
that
this
is
what
wesley
acres
does.
This
is
what
des
moines
university
does,
even
after
they
sign
agreements
that
are
codified.
AL
You
can't
drive
down
37th
street
during
the
daytime
and
not
find
a
wesley
acres
resident
walking
up
and
down
the
street.
I
mean
they
use
the
neighborhood,
so
I
I
don't
understand
this
sort
of
you
know
push
to
kind
of
degrade
the
neighborhood
it's
sort
of,
like
you
know,
shooting
themselves
in
the
foot,
but
so
that
that's
the
big
thing
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
this
scope
creep
at
some
point
has
to
stop
and
you've
got
to
respect
the
fact
that
they
bought
a
property
in
a
residential
neighborhood.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
AM
AM
AM
AM
So
I'd
submit
to
the
commission
that
I
cannot
support
and
I
understand
why
the
neighborhood
association
does
not
support
this
design,
which
is
based
upon
commercial
convenience
to
be
weighed
so
heavily
over
a
permanent
destruction
to
the
residential
character
of
this
neighborhood,
which
is
a
crown
jewel
of
the
city
of
des
moines.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
AN
Mad,
I'm
sure,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
uh-huh
great,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
I
know
it's
been
becoming
a
long
evening.
I
live
at
315
37th
street
and
I
am
just
to
the
east
of
h
and
I
as
well
like
to
the
west
of
h
I
as
well.
I
want
to
thank
rob
and
darren
they're
good
guys.
They've
met
with
us
they've
tried
to
work
with
us
and
it's
unfortunate
that
we're
at
an
impasse.
AN
AN
The
story
of
broken
promises,
visible
obtrusive
buildings,
noise
pollution,
light
pollution
and
general
disregard
for
neighbors.
Like
me,
please
take
a
look
at
the
pictures
I
have
submitted
if
you
can.
Actually,
if
you
want
to
bring
up
page
87,
that
may
be
better
and
you
can
bring
up
mine
too.
But
if
you
can
look
at
that
picture,
you'll
see
a
tree
and
bert.
If
you
can
kind
of
go
right
in
the
middle
of
there
a
tree
right
there.
Can
you
see
that
tree?
AN
AN
Since
I've
been
there,
wesley
has
taken
down
13
trees,
mostly
100
years
or
more
and
there'll,
be
seven
more
coming,
which
is
20
in
total,
since
I've
moved
there,
I've
removed
my
pool
and
my
home.
If
you
can
go
to
my
backyard
picture
bert,
and
I
started
to
put
some
trees
in
to
do
my
own
buffering,
because
I
do
have
my
own
responsibility
to
try
to
give
myself
some
some
peace.
AN
Westley
asked
me
about
10
years
ago
if
they
could
add
10
parking
spaces
that
were
desperately
needed,
but
they
had
to
take
down
some
old
oaks.
I
said
yes,
I
was
new
to
the
neighborhood.
I
realized
I
needed
parking.
All
I
asked
was
the
buffer
be
replaced
and
that
never
occurred
fast
forward
a
couple
of
years
I
could
come
home
and
you
can
see
my
driveway
come
home
and
the
trees
behind
my
home
that
were
on
my
side,
which,
still
on
wesley's
property,
had
all
been
taken
down.
Pretty
much
clear-cut,
I
ran
back.
AN
There
met
the
gardener,
asked
him
what
he
was
doing
and
he
basically
said
he
would
like
to
grow
grass
in
the
place
of
the
trees.
I
asked
him
politely
to
stop.
He
was
very
agreeable.
I
spoke
with
the
general
manager
of
the
property.
He
did
not
realize
that
many
trees
were
to
come
down
and
they
would
put
trees
back
in
their
place.
AN
AN
They
have
eight
properties.
This
one
is
valued
at
37
million
on
the
tax
rolls
they
have.
Ansley
businesses
wesley
wheels,
wesley
meals,
wesley
hospice
wesley
adult
day
and
I'm
sure
lots
of
others
wesley
talks
about
staying
current
and
needing
to
add
their
neighborhood
herding
amenities
to
stay
competitive,
but
I
think
they
forget
that
we
are
probably
their
biggest
amenity
like
I
said
my
mother
stayed
with
them
for
quite
a
while.
AN
AN
However,
when
they
add
these
pools
and
the
workout
facility
and
150
foot
150
seat
auditorium,
that
adds
more
intensity
when
they
redo
the
chamberlain
mansion
and
put
it
in
a
bistro
that
adds
more
intensity
when
they
allow
up
to
300
members
in
their
workout
facility.
That
adds
more
intensity.
There
is
no
more
room
for
more
people
on
that
piece
of
ground
as
it
currently
sits.
Why
take
away
more
of
the
green
space
more
of
the
parking
than
the
last
few
trees
that
remain?
AN
AN
So
so
he
could
take
some
pictures
or
maybe
see,
pictures
or
understand
kind
of
what
we
were
looking
at
and
maybe
come
up
with
a
solution
that
could
be
mutually
beneficial
to
both
parties.
Unfortunately,
I
was
told
that's
not
possible,
but
after
I
saw
how
so
many
pictures
of
the
trash
community,
the
trash
enclosures,
I'm
not
sure
why
I
was
turned
down.
He
did
say
he
could
come
at
the
request
of
pnz,
so
I'm
making
that
request
that
maybe
he
can
come
to
our
backyards.
AN
AN
In
closing
the
original
home
that
was
built,
there
was
7
500
square
feet
and,
I
believe,
was
left
to
ministers
or
priests
that
could
not.
You
know
that
didn't
have
enough
money
to
retire
comfortably
and
the
home
was
given
to
them
to
spend
the
rest
of
their
days
since
then
that
7
500
square
foot
home
on
a
nice
grand
piece
of
property
with
the
majestic
trees
and
probably
woods
all
around
it
has
now
become
a
quarter
million
square
feet.
AN
AN
You
will
notice.
I
have
two
neighbors
to
my
step.
One
is
drake
university
and
one
is
a
group
from
the
episcopalian
church.
They
are
both
institutionally
run
and
you'll
notice
that
they
have
not
commented
and
probably
will
not
comment
on
what's
going
on,
because
they
are
also
part
of
a
large
institution
and
it's
in
the
nature
for
people
not
to
get
involved
and
protect
when
they're
when
they're
part
of
an
institution.
AN
AB
Yes,
I
would,
if
I
could
thank
you.
I
tried
to
take
some
notes
that
were
coming
fast
and
furious,
so
I
apologize
if
I
bounce
around
a
couple
of
small
things,
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
we
gain
some
perspective
on
the
actual
building
height
of
the
I
can't
bird.
I
can't
read
that
it's
so
small,
I
don't
have
my
glasses,
but
the
aquatics
building
is
approximately
35
feet.
AB
The
it
barely
reaches
the
top
of
the
existing
building.
Taking
into
consideration
that
there's
a
six
to
eight
foot
elevation
change
between
mr
mcphee
and
mr
carlson's
properties,
it
actually
reduces
the
visual
impact
significantly
in
that
area.
I
think
also
left
out
here
is
the
commitment
and
that
we
made
to
both
scott
and
kevin
on
collaboratively
landscaping.
Those
buffers
scott
had
told
us
the
story
about
what
happened
a
number
of
years
ago.
AB
Obviously
pre
me
and
I
stood
in
his
backyard
and
I
stood
in
kevin's
backyard
and
I
just
told
him
I
agreed
and
we'll
put
together
a
landscape
plan
that
buffers
us
from
you
and
you
from
us
to
be
honest
and
those
plans
were
submitted
to
them.
I
did
not
get
a
response
from
either
of
them
on
that,
but
we
have
made
a
commitment
to
make
a
sizable
investment,
because
landscaping
is
not
shown
on
this
pud
drawing
for
future.
AB
AB
AB
See
what
else
did
I
have
here,
the
west
side?
We
have
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
it,
not
a
little
bit
of
effort,
but
a
lot
of
effort
we've.
Actually,
when
we
were
originally
asked
by
mr
mcphee
to
switch
the
buildings,
we
looked
at
that
there
were
some
challenges
both
structurally
operationally
and
just
overall,
with
the
way
it
would
flow
in
the
buildings.
There's
no
there's
no
good
way
to
put
it
on
the
east
side
and
it's
not
because
it's
commercially
acceptable
or
more
advantageous
to
us
to
put
it
here.
AB
As
far
as
the
eye
building,
we
have
gotten
deep
into
research
into
glass
that
I've
never
been
into
before,
and
we've
actually
gotten
to
the
point.
We've
selected
glass
that
has
a
two
percent
reflectivity
rate,
and
that
is
what
we
proposed
to
mr
mcphee
to
put
into
that
building.
So
there
would
not
be
any
undue
glare
off
of
that
building
lights
in
that
building
can
can't
be
above
the
pool,
they'd
have
to
be
located,
11
feet
or
below.
AB
I
think,
lastly,
what
needs
to
be
said
is
we're
not
adding
any
units
or
residential
units
to
this
community
with
this
improvement.
This
is
a
hundred
percent
investment
into
this
community
and
this
campus
and
our
residents
current
residents
way
of
life
as
well
as
the
residents
that
will
be
coming
to
wesley
acres,
hopefully
over
the
next.
AB
You
know
10
20,
30
years.
This
is
without
any
revenue
increase
that
we
are
looking
for,
nothing
we're
preparing
for
nothing
more
other
than
making
this
as
an
investment
into
this
community,
and
I
think
that
needs
to
be
understood
as
well
as
far
as
development
into
the
south
woods.
We
don't
have
any
plans
there.
We
don't
do
it.
We've
offered
a
written
agreement
prepared
by
our
attorney
that
we
just
received
back
this
morning
with
notes
after
four
weeks
of
having
it
in
the
neighborhood
association's
hands.
AB
T
AB
We
we
still
have
the
eight
spaces
that
are
identified
in
item
number
four
on
the
on
the
plan
that
was
resubmitted
six.
We
don't
necessarily
disagree
with
we've
actually
designed
with
that
intent,
but
as
it
read,
I
guess
my
question
back
to
bert
was
it
noted,
adjacent
residential
properties
and
I
didn't
know
how
it
would
influence
the
east
side
of
our
property
with
the
new
parking
areas
that
we
put
on
that
side.
J
J
I
AB
AB
E
AO
This
is
francis
baga
speaking
yeah
we've
been
down
this
road
before
and
a
couple
years
ago
with
dmu,
and
we
listened
to
the
greenwood
neighborhood
association,
another
south
of
grand
neighborhood
association,
and
I
have
the
opinion
that
because
of
the
and
I
respect
what
wesley
acres
does
and
the
services
they
provide.
But
I
do
think
this
scope
creep
is
real
and
I
think
it
impacts
the
neighbors
and,
I
think,
is
part
of
being
the
voice
of
neighborhood
associations.
AO
I
would
not
be
in
favor
of
granting
the
request
from
wesley
acres
for
the
pud
if
there's
some
reason
that
wesley
acres
think
they
could
sit
down
with
the
neighborhood
association,
maybe
try
to
reach
an
accommodation
independently.
But
at
this
point
in
time
I
would
not
support
a
staff
recommendation.
I
I
I
I
I
understand
those
neighbors
can
have
those
views
and
those
opinions,
but
I
think
overall
wesley
is
respectfully
staying
back
off
the
properties.
I
very
much
appreciate
that
they're
trying
to
enter
into
a
legal
agreement
about
the
southern
forest
area,
and
so
overall,
I
think
I
would
be
in
support
of
staff.
G
This
is
dory,
I
support
staff.
This
is
a
hard
decision
for
me.
My
mother
lived
at
wesley
acres
for
10
years
before
dying
there,
this
past
may
she
lived
in
the
memory
care
unit
and
then
on
the
high
skilled
nursing
floor.
I
think
there
it's
a
wonderful
facility
in
our
community
and
to
have
a
facility
like
that.
That's
close
that
you
don't
have
to
drive
claire
out
to
west
des
moines
to
access,
so
I
do
support
staff.
I
believe
it's
a
great
addition
to
our
community.
AP
This
is
johnny
also.
I
also
agree
with
with
greg.
As
far
as
supporting
this
project,
I
think
I
would
ask
to
see
perhaps
a
little
more
of
that
buffering
aspect.
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
see
that
I'll.
Let
staff
tell
us
if
we
need
to
see
that
here
at
the
pud
stage
or
if
that's
something
that
will
be
taken
care
of
at
the
side
plan
stage,
because
it
would
be
nice
to
see
additional
trees
along
those
those
areas
of
concern
with
the
neighbors.
J
This
is
bert.
I
could
speak
to
that
right
now.
We've
worded
condition
number
six
to
just
say
that
it
shall
be
the
landscape
in
accordance
with
nx3.
The
other
option
would
be
to
reword
that
as
the
buffer
shall
be
reviewed
and
approved
by
the
plan
and
zoning
commission
during
this
development
site
plan
review.
D
D
Y
C
A
F
Z
N
Okay,
remember
the
commission
jason
vanessa
with
the
city's
planning
staff.
Excuse
me
item.
14
is
a
rezoning
request
at
1503
fifth
avenue
in
the
riverbend
neighborhood
and
land
use
planned
amendment.
As
part
of
that,
let
me
see
if
I
can
get
my
slides
to
move
forward
here.
We
go.
This
is
the
subject
property
on
the
northeast
corner
of
clark,
street
and
fifth
avenue.
You
can
see
the
kind
of
outline
of
the
house
building
and
parking
in
the
back.
N
N
N
N
N
N
So
the
area
surrounding
the
subject
property
is
designated
as
low
density,
residential
on
the
feature,
land
use
map
and
converting
the
house
to
a
duplex
represents
a
density
of
9.3
units
per
acre.
If
you
extrapolate
that
that
fits
into
the
low
medium
density
residential
category
in
the
future
land
use
map,
we
included
kind
of
a
description
of
that
the
language
from
the
code.
I
think
that
designation
in
in
general
makes
sense
for
their
area.
N
N
We
do
believe
the
lot
is
large
enough
to
support
a
duplex
use
or
two
units.
It's
on
a
corner
which
is
a
another
asset
as
far
as
where
it
makes
sense.
In
a
residential
neighborhood
to
place
duplexes
or
small
multi-family
to
minimize
impact
on
other
areas
within
the
neighborhood,
so
we're
fine.
We
found
a
lot
of
support
for
the
request.
The
one
thing
that
came
up
as
we
looked
at
this
that
kind
of
led
us
to
making
a
couple
of
recommended
conditions
was
the
amount
of
pavement
and
then
also
parking
access.
N
We
are
recommending
approval
subject
to
two
conditions,
and
one
is
that
the
all
vehicular
access
to
on-site
parking
shall
be
provided
from
the
alley,
and
a
driveway
to
the
street
is
prohibited
that
matches
up
with
their
the
way
the
property
is
laid
out.
Currently,
I
don't
believe
the
applicant
is
opposed
to
that.
N
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
as
the
property
moves
forward
in
time
and
perhaps
is
under
different
ownership
of
the
additional
driveways
are
not
you
know,
added,
because
that
that
would
kind
of
start
impacting
the
residential
character
of
the
area
or
the
its
impacts
and
vehicle
movement.
The
other
part
of
our
recommendation
is
that
we
believe
the
that
the
site
should
be
brought
into
conformance
with
the
current
maximum
impervious
area
requirements
of
chapter
135
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
plan
administrator
in
the
body.
N
The
report
we
referenced,
the
house
type
d
standard
for
this
area,
which,
which
is
a
combination
of
the
footprint
of
the
house,
any
buildings
and
then
the
pavement
and
the
standard
for
that
that
house
type
is
50
of
the
site
is
the
maximum
amount
that
should
be
covered
with
a
hard
surface
and
that
those
standards,
those
previous
area
standards,
are
there
for
storm
water
management
purposes.
I
tried
to
get
as
much
storm
water
into
the
into
the
ground.
I'm
not
run
off
the
storm.
N
N
N
The
reason
I
didn't
give
anything
specific
as
far
as
meeting
the
50
threshold
or
a
square
footage
threshold
is
that
I
think
you
sit
down
with
them
and
work
out
what
makes
sense,
because
I
we
recognize
that
there
may
need
to
be
more
pavement
than
50
of
the
site.
So
I
just
want
to.
I
apologize
for
kind
of
going,
maybe
a
little
over
in
depth
on
that.
N
With
that
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
This
is
the
response
map.
We
did
get
one
card
in
favor
of
the
request.
I
did
hear
from
the
neighborhood
of
the
neighborhood
association
board.
They
elected
not
to
take
a
formal
position,
as
they
didn't
have
a
agreement
on
the
board
as
to
where
what
they
felt
about
the
project
they
had
mixed
emotions.
So
that
is
that
happy
answering
questions.
AG
AG
I
believe
mr
ching
would
be
an
attentive
and
an
active
landlord,
and
I
think
the
house
is
very
very
it's
a
great
great
looking
place.
I
think
this
tree
didn't
deliberately
ignore
zoning
regulations.
It's
my
understanding
that
when
he
purchased
the
place
there
were
like
three,
albeit
not
legitimate,
but
three
living
units
there,
and
by
the
time
he
found
a
year
later,
he
was
in
violation
of
the
zoning
regulations.
Quite
a
bit
of
construction
had
been
done.
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
He
was
informed
that
this
ordinance
went
into
it
back
after.
He
began
the
construction
and
wondered
if,
if
that
information
is
accurate
and
enough,
so
that
is
but
we
wondered
if
he
could,
if
we
could
get
by
without
destroying
any
of
the
and
just
leave
as
it
is.
But
but
if
not,
you
know
he's
admittable
to
doing
what
is
necessary
to
get
the
reasoning.
Amendment.
AG
Related
to
the
other
recommendation,
it
looked
to
me
when
I
was
on
the
property.
It
looked
as
though,
although
the
entry
to
the
parking
area
was
close
to
the
street,
it
looked
like
it
was
off
the
alley
and
from
what
mr
vanessa
was
saying.
I
I
think
we're
okay
on
that,
but
you
know
any
guys.
If
that
isn't
the
case,
then
any
guidance
to
that
regard
would
be
appreciated
and
that's
all
I
have
thank.
Z
Z
But
I
do
know
so
I
live
in
this
neighborhood,
so
I
may
have
to
probably
recuse
myself.
I
don't
know,
but
I
do
know
that
the
neighborhood
about
15
years
ago,
a
couple
people
worked
really
hard
to
rezone
to
prevent
houses
from
becoming
duplexes
again
so-
and
I
think
there's
about
15
years
ago
and
I'd
hate
to
have
to
redo
that
I
feel
like
it's
going
against
the
efforts
of
the
neighborhood
at
that
time,
and
it
was
interesting
to
hear
that
the
neighborhood
association
was
in
conflict
or
had
not
decided.
Z
N
N
It
was
this
same
where
I
think
there
was
some
some
angst
about
slippery
slopes,
one
if
one,
you
know
work
being
done
without
a
permit,
but
also
to
the
kind
of
the
things
that
you've
talked
about
with
the
past
efforts.
But
there
was
also
a
recognition,
though
I
think
that
the
property
is
somewhat
large
and
the
lots
large.
Z
So
I
live
with
an
experience
of
sitting
in
front
of
this
city
commission
for
four
hours,
with
the
same
situation
where
somebody
mistakenly
or
uneducatedly,
converted
a
house
to
a
duplex
and
said
that
there
was
there
were
two
staircases.
So
there
was,
it
was
appropriate.
It
should
be
a
duplex
and
we
sat
in
opposition
for
four
and
went
before
our
city
and
said,
and
they
said
they
felt
sympathetic
to
them
not
being
educated,
and
I
feel
like
the
neighborhood
has
worked
really
hard
to
educate
the
buyers.
P
P
You
know
unchecked
for
a
number
of
years
I
mean
there
weren't,
building
code
requirements
or
rental
code
requirements
to
do
that,
and
so
similar
to
the
drake
rezoning
down
zoning.
We
took
areas
back
from
r3
and
r4
down
to
r160,
but
even
in
the
drake
neighborhood,
for
example,
there's
been
some
recognition
and
some
support
for
some
large
houses
that
have
come
in
and
asked
for
maybe
two
units.
So
as
far
as
taking
it
back
to
what
it
was.
P
You
know
the
previous
zoning
allowed
multi-family
residential,
and
it
was
just
purely
based
on
the
lot
area
was
the
number
of
units
you
could
get
in
the
in
the
dwelling
and
in
this
instance,
no
more
than
two
units
would
be
allowed
by
this
zoning
change.
So
just
a
little
perspective
on
what
happened
before
what
the
funding
was
before,
how
many
units
you
know
could
have
been
allowed
in
in
a
under
the
old
zoning
versus
what's
being
proposed
in
this?
Thank
you
yep.
Thank
you.
Y
N
Yeah,
just
this
is
jason
vanessa's
staff.
You
know
our
our
thought,
as
we
looked
at
the
the
conditions
was
to
just
you
know,
try
to
see
if
there's
anything
that
we
felt
was
needed
to
mitigate
impact
and
any
case
that
comes
before
you.
You
know
we're
looking
at
you
know
is
there
impact
that
should
be
mitigated
and
how?
N
How
do
you
achieve
that,
and
so
both
you
know
where
vehicles
access
the
property
can
cause
impact
and
then
also
the
amount
of
impervious
surface
both
in
terms
of
runoff,
but
also
the
aesthetic
and
visual
qualities
you
know.
Does
it
does
it?
How
closely
does
the
duplex
look
like
a
just
a
standard
house
or
residential
property
and
fits
in
with
the
area
around
it
and
that's
the
premise
for
those
recommended
conditions.
G
G
E
F
C
A
B
A
B
A
At
the
next
meeting-
yes,
okay,
well
all
right!
Thank
you,
carolyn,
lisa
and
emily.
I
I
think
I
think
it's
getting
past
my
bedtime
you're
welcome
jen.
So
thank
you
for
serving
on
this
committee.
We
look
forward
to
your
slate
at
the
next
meeting
and
if
anyone
else
wants
to
be
nominated,
you
know
whatever
all
right
number
17.
Is
there
anything
else
mike
or
eric
or
jason
or
berto.
P
No
jan
just
thanks
again
for
all
the
thoughtful
deliberation
tonight
long
meeting
and
that
kind
of
what
happens
when
we
have
one
meeting
a
month.
It
is
nice
to
have
that
one
meeting
a
month,
though,
because
it
allows
us
not
to
have
a
packet
going
out
between
christmas
and
new
year's
and
allowed
staff
to
have
some
time
with
families
without
having
to
worry
about
that
stuff.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I'm
sorry
for
the
length
of
the
meeting
yeah.