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From YouTube: 12-2-21 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, Dec. 2, 2021.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
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Okay,
if
we
could
have
quiet
now
and
I'll,
read
the
rules
and
procedures
for
the
meeting
the
plan
and
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
flats.
Unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
for
details
on
council
hearings.
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A
A
A
C
A
A
Item
number
six:
the
applicant
is
in
agreement
with
the
staff,
and
so
it
could
be
moved
to
consent
unless
there's
someone
in
the
audience
who
wishes
to
have
it
discussed
this
evening
and
I'll
read.
Item
number
six
is
a
request
from
capital
city,
real
estate
for
review
and
approval
of
preliminary
plat
filman
preliminary
plat
on
1.74
acres
of
property
in
the
vicinity
of
1415
east
38th
street
for
development
development
of
seven
one
household
residential
lots
along
a
new
cul-de-sac
from
east
38th
street.
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A
C
C
D
C
A
A
E
A
F
The
reason
for
the
site
plan
is
a
change
of
use.
The
existing
building
was
previously
used
as
a
restaurant
or
a
bar.
The
current
applicant
would
be
using
it
as
an
assembly
space.
We
would
call
that
an
event
center
or
a
small
assembly
and
entertainment
use.
So
the
reason
for
the
site
plan
is
is
changing
a
changing
use.
F
Landscaping
along
the
the
frontage
of
army
coast
road,
as
well
as
islands,
landscaping
along
the
north
side
of
the
property
where
it
is
adjacent
to
residential
as
well,
there's
really
not
a
lot
of
renovations
to
the
building
itself,
so
the
site
improvements
really
encompass
the
majority
of
the
the
site
plan,
work
or
the
project.
I
should
say
there
are
existing
overhead
lines
that
run
along
the
north
side
of
the
property.
F
F
In
addition,
there
are
lines
that
come
off
of
the
the
lines
that
extend
along
the
north
side
of
the
property
into
the
existing
residential
houses
to
the
north
as
well,
so
undergrounding.
These
lines
would
really
be
not
feasible
just
because
of
the
the
coordination
that
would
be
needed
with
so
many
other
property
owners.
F
I
Yeah,
so
we
I
rented
this
place
in
july
of
2021,
but
we
were
planning
on
an
official
opening,
but
we
were,
you
know,
told
that
you
know
we
need
to
bring
most
of
the
the
building
to
city
cold,
so
the
shuttle's
down
since
july,
and
so
we've
been
closed
for
almost
about
three
to
four
months.
But
right
now
we
hired
a
planner
and
we
pretty
much
did
everything
they
asked
for.
So
we
are,
you
know
we
did
some
estimate
which
costs
almost
60
000.
I
I
A
G
I'm
bernie
weissong.
I
live
at
111
lally,
which
is
up
directly
north
of
that
when
he
says
he's
going
to
have
it
open
for
graduations
and
baby
showers
and
all
this,
and
that
someone
needs
to
tell
you
how
many
times
the
police
have
been
called
on
this
place
repeatedly,
the
last
event
that
he
had
there.
G
I
answered,
listen
woman
screaming
outside
for
help.
I
went
out
there
and
the
whole
place
was
lit
with
lights,
so
I
walked
got
dressed,
went
over
on
army
post
28
squad
cars,
a
fire
truck
an
ambulance
and
a
paddy
wagon.
There
was
people
on
the
ground
in
handcuffs
there
were
people
in
on
the
gurney
being
treated.
G
G
It's
just
a
show,
and
anybody
that
says
otherwise
is
a
liar.
I've
got
pictures
here
of
all
the
booze
bottles.
It's
cleaned
up
now,
but
somebody
needs
to
address
this
because
28
squad
cars
and
that
kind
of
a
response
by
the
city
of
des
moines
cost
a
fortune,
and
it
was
all
from
april
up
until
that
event
that
that
stuff
went
on,
we
complained
continually.
We
had
the
police
there
on
a
regular
basis,
thursday
night
friday,
night
saturday
night.
G
A
K
Charles
for
blue,
I
own
investment
property
at
108,
lolly
right
next
to
one
one,
one
lally
directly,
north
of
the
property,
just
to
kind
of
reiterate
what
bernie
had
said
or
what
david
said.
Just
just
some
concerns.
I
don't
know
what
the
scope
of
the
the
discussion
is
today,
but
also
some
concerns
from
from
our
tenant
of
just
consistent.
K
K
The
police
are
called
multiple
times
and
every
time
they
come
out,
they
say
just
keep,
calling
just
keep
calling
for
noise
ordinances,
and
then,
like
was
mentioned
previously,
the
the
larger
events.
They
tend
to
get
escalated,
so
we've
had
everything
from
personally
visualizing
and
then
obviously
from
photos
from
neighbors,
as
well
as
my
tenant,
the
the
littering
and
the
beer
bottles
we
found.
K
You
know
needles
and
stuff
that
gets
thrown
over
the
fence
and
they're,
just
obviously
just
really
obnoxious
events,
obviously,
as
they
had
stated
with
some
of
the
you
know,
community
birthday,
parties
and
stuff.
Like
that,
absolutely
we
we
definitely
encourage
that
for
the
neighborhood,
but
the
the
the
lengthy
events
at
night
that
go
well
into
the
night
for
that
that
area
of
neighborhood
is
is
just
a
little
concerning
to
us.
A
L
Bird
dross
planning
staff-
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
couple
clarifying
points.
The
issue
tonight
really
is
just
the
site
plan.
The
use
of
the
property
will
be
up
for
debate
at
a
future
board
of
adjustment
public
hearing
in
order
for
them
to
get
the
liquor
license.
They
need
to
get
a
conditional
use
permit
for
that
yet
and
so
that
debate
on
whether
the
use
should
be
able
to
be
there
that
would
be
held
in
that
forum.
L
A
I
I
You
know
there
was
one
time
I
was
having
an
event
and
one
of
my
a
customer
did
not
bring
her
medication
and
she
passed
out.
So
yes,
we
called
it.
You
know,
you
know.
I
think
that
was
the
only
time
in
the
ambulance
showed
up.
You
know
I
I
don't
have
no
recollection
of
cops
being
called
every
day.
That's
false!
You
know
I
disagree
with
that.
You
know
you
know.
I
Let
them
show
some
proof.
You
know
because,
like
I
said,
I'm
a
new
tenant,
so
if
any
events
happen
over
there
prior
to
me
being
there,
you
know
I'm
not
responsible.
For
that.
You
know
I
usually.
Whenever
I
have
my
events,
I
always
have
a
police
officer,
not
even
regular
securities,
so
you
know
and
I'm
not
saying
that
they
don't
have
k
or
pictures.
Maybe
it
was
prior
to
me
moving
as
a
new
tenant
injured.
You
have
anything
to
say
yeah
what
about.
I
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M
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
commission,
srioshi
chakraborty
with
the
planning
department.
So
the
item
before
you
for
your
consideration
is
a
request
for
rezoning
of
a
property
at
3451
eastern
boulevard.
The
applicant
is
requesting
that
the
property
be
rezoned
from
n3a
neighborhood
district
to
rx1,
mixed-use,
neighborhood,
mixed-use
district.
M
So
I'll
move
on
to
the
to
the
ariel
over
here.
So
you
can
see
the
property
located
right
here,
it's
predominantly
in
a
in
a
residential
area.
It's
got
some
open
space
here.
On
the
on
the
east
side,
it's
got
residential
school
and
a
religious
assembly
place
on
the
north.
It's
got
more
residential
on
the
on
the
other
side.
The
property
itself
is
about
7.9
acres
in
size
and,
as
you
can
see
right
here,
it's
surrounded
by
quite
a
bit
of
wooded
areas
and
trees.
M
M
M
This
is
a
rendering
of
potential
future
expansion,
as
I
was
mentioning
in
order
to
provide
overnight
accommodations
to
patients
and
and
I'll
mention
that
currently,
they
are
providing
overnight
accommodations
at
a
similar
location,
located
very
close
by
about
three
blocks
away
at
3806
eastern
boulevard,
they're
thinking
about
potentially
relocating
that
into
this
particular
location
and
then
closing
down
closing
down
down
that
location.
But
that's
looking
into
the
future
as
a
phase
two
of
the
of
the
expansion
and
here's.
M
So
the
applicant
has
proposed
rx1
mixed-use
district
in
order
to
allow
for
the
expansion
that
they're
thinking
of
as
to
the
existing
outpatient
rehab
facility,
initially
and
then
potentially
providing
overnight
stay
for
patients,
which
are
activities
that
are
defined
under
the
zoning
ordinance
as
group
living
use.
So
staff
believes
that
the
rx1
mixed-use
designation
is
compatible
with
the
users
and
the
aesthetics
of
the
of
the
current
site,
as
well
as
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
M
M
So
they
are
a
little
bit
concerned
about
further
construction
in
this
property.
But
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
any
improvements
that
are
made
to
the
property
will
be
subject
to
regulations
and
proper
mitigation
when
earthwork
and
drainage
and
other
improvements
are
are
done.
So
with
that.
If
you
have
any
questions,
I'll
be
I'll,
be
happy
to
take
them
at
this
time.
A
N
Good
evening,
thank
you
for
having
me
I'm
michelle
de
la
riva.
My
address
is
2974
330th
street
and
that's
in
ellsworth
iowa.
I
am
the
executive
director
at
prelude,
behavioral
services
here
in
des
moines.
I
just
wanted
to
familiarize
you
with
what
we
do
so
prelude
is
a
not-for-profit
agency
that
started
in
1978.
N
We
specialize
in
substance,
abuse
mental
health
and
problem
gambling
treatment
and
prevention
services.
We
opened
our
location
here
in
des
moines
in
2000,
at
3451,
easton
and
also
at
3806
easton.
Those
properties,
as
your
staff
had
mentioned,
is
an
outpatient
clinic
that
provides
outpatient,
mental
health
and
substance
use
and
problem
gambling
treatment
and
then
a
residential
program
for
folks
that
come
in
for
services
that
are
in
need
of
overnight
stay.
Those
programs
typically
are
three
to
four
weeks.
N
N
We
also
opened
in
2006
a
halfway
house
for
women,
so
that's
more
of
a
long-term
program
for
women
with
substance
use
and
mental
health
concerns
at
4014
kingman
boulevard.
What
we
really
are
looking
at
is
expanding
our
outpatient
clinic
at
this
time.
As
you
may
know,
during
the
past
18
months,
the
pandemic
has
been
really
devastating
to
many
people.
People
who
were
not
drinking
before
have
started
to
drink.
N
You
see
the
commercials
on
tv
where
joining
wine
clubs
seems
like
a
great
idea
and
we're
finding
that
more
and
more
people
are
coming
in
for
treatment
that
we
had
never
seen
before.
We
are
overcrowded
and
unable
to
really
keep
up
with.
What's
what
the
demand
is,
what
we
know
with
a
pandemic
is
that,
after
the
pandemic,
which
we
are
still
in
the
midst,
even
more
people
will
come
in.
We
know
that
many
people
are
working
from
home
at
this
time,
so
they're
drinking
or
substance
use.
N
Gambling
is
also
on
the
rise.
Mental
health
concerns
from
social
isolation
they're
going
to
start
to
manifest
themselves
as
they
start
coming
back
to
work.
So
our
request
for
this
zoning
is
for
our
phase,
one
which
would
expand
our
outpatient
clinic
to
be
able
to
add
an
additional
six
to
eight
staff
and
two
very
large
group
rooms.
What
we
found
in
the
pandemic
was
that
our
group
rooms
were
used
to
sit
very
close
to
one
another.
N
We
now
have
to
sit
six
feet
apart,
so
in
a
room
that
we
normally
could
have
15
to
20
people.
We
can
now
have
10.
so
again
that
that
really
decreases
our
capacity
in
looking
at
our
future
plan.
We
really
are
looking
at
moving
our
residential
program
to
this
peaceful
wooded
area,
which
would
actually
be
off
the
street
out
of
the
line
of
sight,
which
offers
privacy
to
our
patients,
but
also
privacy,
to
the
neighborhood
with
the
move
from
our
residential
program.
N
We
also
want
to
look
at
doing
a
feasibility
study
to
see
what
the
city
of
des
moines
actually
needs.
What
we
think
and
what
we've
been
told,
is
that
potentially
there
would
be
a
need
for
a
detox
center.
Detox
is
a
withdrawal
management
program.
Currently
that's
happening
at
the
hospitals.
We
know
the
hospitals
are
overrun.
N
This
gives
a
nice
private
place
where
they
can
come
in
detox
and
do
withdrawal
management
safely
in
a
24
7
program
that
has
nurses.
They
then
can
transition
right
away
into
our
residential
program
without
any
any
time
in
between.
We
also
are
looking
at
adding
potentially
some
adolescent
residential
programming.
We
have
seen
that
kids
also
have
been
very
affected
by
this
pandemic.
N
O
N
Sure
so,
on
a
typical
day
in
our
outpatient
program,
we
typically
are
seeing
30
to
40
30
to
40
people
that
come
in
every
single
day
with
an
addition
of
eight
additional
staff.
If,
if
we're
able
to
find
them,
that
would
really
look
at
moving
that
to
more
like
50
to
60
patients
each
day,
our
residential
program.
Currently
we
have
24
beds
for
men
and
we
have
16
beds
for
women.
N
N
We
also
would
look
at
having
a
couple
of
gender
neutral
spaces
so
for
anybody
that's
coming
in
that
has
needs
that
residential
program
that
doesn't
feel
comfortable
on
a
women's
unit
or
a
men's
unit.
They
have
a
nice
comfortable
space,
that's
welcoming
that
they
could
be
in
so
that
would
be
an
additional
two
detox
and
kids
really
would
have
to
look
at
the
needs
of
the
community
to
determine
how
many
beds
that
would
entail.
O
N
N
N
They
had
questions
about
kind
of
the
success
rate
of
people
that
come
in
for
substance
use
treatment.
We
had
a
discussion
about
people
that
are
diagnosed
with
chronic
recurring
conditions.
So,
as
we
know,
people
that
are
diagnosed
with
chronic
recurring
conditions
such
as
diabetes,
heart
disease
or
substance
use,
there's
a
wide
array
of
compliance
with
those
treatments
when
you're
diagnosed
with
something
that's
chronic
recurring.
Sometimes
you
have
a
difficult
time
staying
the
course.
N
What
we
do
find
is
60
to
65
of
the
people
are
able
to
stay
the
course.
So
a
diabetic
will
come
in
for
treatment,
take
their
medication,
diet
and
exercise
about
65
percent
of
the
time,
the
other
percentage
of
the
time
they
don't
do
those
things
then
they
need
to
come
back
in
for
an
additional
treatment.
Someone
with
a
substance
use
disorder
has
the
same.
Chronic
recurring
condition
will
have
the
same
path.
Q
My
name
is
daniel
anderson.
I
live
at
3432
easton
boulevard
right
directly
across
from
the
facility.
I've
lived
there
for
34
years.
I've
been
there
longer
than
the
facility
has
been,
and
I
find
them
to
be
good
neighbors
and
my
experience
on
the
east
side
of
des
moines
over
these
years
is
that
there
is
a
need
and
an
increasing
need
for
this
type
of
services.
Q
I
would
like
to
see
if
something
can
be
done,
make
the
intersection
there
of
east
36th
or
east
35th
and
easton
and
their
driveway,
so
you
could
have
a
little
bit
better
view
of
the
traffic
traffic
along
easton
is
very
busy
during
the
rush
hours
and
sometimes
it's
hard
to
get
out
of
a
driveway
and
I've
seen
some
near
misses
over
there,
but
I
think
that
they
are
good
neighbors.
I
think
that
this
is
a
worthwhile
program
and
I
hope
you
approve
it
questions
for
me.
A
R
My
name
is
carol
maher.
I
live
in
ward
3.,
my
zip
code
is
50312
and
as
many
as
you
know,
I
try
to
bike
out
to
these
locations,
so
I
can
get
to
know
the
city
because
I'm
a
new
resident-
and
this
is
a
fantastic
site
and
I
would
be
blessed
if
I
ever
needed
these
services
to
have
the
opportunity
to
go
there.
It's
a
fabulous
feel
when
you
ride
turn
the
corner,
and
you
see
this
really
great
site
and
kudos.
R
A
S
S
I
live
at
3
500
eastern
boulevard
directly
across
from
the
drive
I
moved
in
there
in
1980,
I
put
a
chain
link
fence
around
my
front
yard,
so
I
could
put
my
children
and
now
my
grandchildren
and
my
soon,
my
great-grandchildren
out
there.
If
I
don't
move
because
it
was
to
protect
them
from
traffic
on
eastern
traffic
on
eastern,
is
getting
worse
all
the
time
busier
I
should
say
the
facility
over
there.
S
S
If
you
drive
by
the
my
house,
my
wife
has
made
sort
of
a
rock
garden
in
the
two
corners
in
the
front
of
our
yard.
We
have
found
cigarette
butts
in
there
and
these
bottles
that
I'm
telling
you
about
and
such
and
a
hypodermic
needle.
I
wish
I
had
taken
pictures
if
I'd
have
known
something
like
this
was
going
to
come
up.
S
I
would
have
taken
photos
of
these,
so
I
could
have
flooded
you
guys
with
them
it
just
and
and
no
and
I
apologize
because
I'm
sure
you're
a
good
person
but
saying
we
will
build
this
correctly,
so
we
won't
run
our
water
off
on
other
people
and
say
the
city
makes
you
do
that.
I
worked
for
the
whites
company
for
34
years.
S
S
It
wasn't
a
small
diabetic
type
needle,
I'm
probably
going
to
forget
some
of
the
things
I
miss
going
to
the
meeting
down
at
four
mile
community
center.
That's
my
bad.
We
got
busy
with
our
family.
I've
got
six
kids,
11
grandchildren
and
we
got
busy,
and
so
I
missed
that
meeting
and
I
wish
the
heck
I
hadn't.
That's
like.
I
said
that's
bad
on
me,
but
I
am
fully
opposed
to
this
place
growing
the
the
bus
stop.
I
think
I
said
this,
but
the
bus
stop
is
right
on
the
corner
of
our
property.
S
Two
weeks
ago
we
had
a
it's
just
a
plastic
bench
that
two
people
can
sit
in
comfortably
three
people.
If
they're,
not
big
people
like
grandchildren
and
that
type
of
thing
we
had
it
out
on
our
patio
beside
our
house
along
35th
nope,
we
come
home,
my
wife
came
home,
it's
out
at
the
bus,
stop
somebody
come
into
our
yard,
took
our
bench
and
put
it
out
there.
S
S
B
Please
my
name's
christine
wright,
and
that
was
my
husband.
We
live
on
the
corner
of
35th
and
easton
and
another
thing
that's
going
on:
it's
because
lots
of
times
it's
not
till
seven
o'clock
at
night
and
I
don't
know
if
they
close
or
something's
going
on.
But
that's
you
know
because
you
could
say
well,
it
can
be
anybody
coming
to
that.
Stop!
No!
It's
all
the
time.
B
It's
been
all
the
time
for
many
many
years
and
when
they
first
changed
it
when
we
first
when
we've
been
there
for
a
long
time,
but
it
used
to
be
a
doctor's
office
when
they
were
going
to
change
the
zoning,
so
they
could
have
a
center.
You
know
outpatient
type
center
there
we
were
told
this
won't
happen.
This
won't
happen.
This
won't
happen.
This
won't
happen
and
it
does
right
now.
My
another
concern
is
they're.
B
Talking
about
the
bike
trail,
that's
wonderful,
because
I'm
I'm
a
bike
rider
too,
but
they
are
right
now
also
during
the
fact
that
this
is
going
on
easton's
going
to
be
changed.
So
we
have
a
bike
trail
on
the
south
north
side
of
the
street.
So,
there's
no
way
that
this
is
not
going
to
affect
all
the
people.
That's
going
to
be
coming
going
to
be
riding
on
the
bike
trail
there
they
can
say
whatever
they
want
on.
This
won't
happen
it's
down
in
here,
but
it's
not
so.
B
You
have
to
live
in
an
area
to
see
what
actually
happens
in
that
area
and
what
has
changed
from
the
time
that
they
had
started
having
their
center
there
do.
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
need
care
and
that
the
colon
has
caused
all
kinds
of
people
to
be
more
dependent
on
drugs
and
alcohol.
I
agree
I'm
just
saying
find
someplace
else
to
do
it.
There's
and
if
you
look
at
they're
talking
about
the
residential,
take
a
look
at
there.
B
B
Not
once
have
we
been
able
to
stop
the
people
before
they
put
it
in
reverse
and
and
backed
out
and
got
out
that's
part
of
what
I'm
talking
about
of.
They
can't
say
that
they're
going
to
close
the
one
down
the
street,
which
it
is
it's
down
where
the
nursing
home
it
used
to
be
a
nursing
home,
and
now
it's
a
a
drug
treatment
center.
It's
just
I'm
not
opposed
to
things
changing,
but
just
when
you
live
there
in
the
community,
when
you
live
in
the
neighborhood,
it
affects
you
and
I
distracted.
O
B
No,
and
if
you
look,
let's
see
oh,
let's
see:
where
are
we
thirty-five
we're
right
on
the
corner
of
35th
and
right
there
on
the
corner?
Is
the
bus
stop
the
bus,
stop
used
to
be
on
the
house,
the
house
going
east
where
there
was
a
telephone
pole?
That's
where
the
bus
stop
was
for
years,
but
then
they
moved
it
so
it
would
be
on
the
corner
and
when
they
and
when
they
did
it,
it's
right
there.
It's
it's
right
there,
it's
right
there
and.
A
N
R
N
A
A
C
O
Madam
chair,
the
presentation
by
the
the
two
people
in
opposition
raising
the
concern
about
trash
resonates
with
me,
and
you
know
any
bus.
Stop,
has
a
lot
of
public
comings
and
goings,
and
and
many
of
them
have
a
public
trash
container,
which
makes
good
sense
for
everybody
involved
and,
quite
frankly,
I
think
people
in
des
moines
respect
using
these.
Of
course
they
have
to
be
emptied
regularly.
You
know
that's
part
and
parcel
of
maintenance
as
well.
So
my
question
is:
when
this
comes
to
a
site
plan
submission.
C
C
T
T
But
again
it
would
need
to
be
something
that
was
on
this
site
and
it
could
be,
you
know,
a
garbage
receptacle
or
a
canister,
as
was
mentioned,
it
would
be.
It
would
be
okay
to
include
something
like
that
as
a
rezoning
condition
and
even
to
reference
that
that
would
be
included
in
the
site
plan
as
well.
A
D
C
Yeah,
you
could
add
that
to
the
motion,
if
you
wanted
to
you
mean
it
would
have
to
be
continued,
where
we
asked
you
guys
to
continue
for
zoning
conditions
is
where
we
maybe
have
a
lot
of
things
that
we're
looking
at
staff
needs
to
go
back
and
do
some
research
and
it's
a
little
bit
abstract
and
we've.
You
know,
particularly
if
it's
an
item
we've
recommended
denial
of
that
have.
This
is
very
singular
and
there's
just
one
condition.
I
think
we
could
go
ahead
and
make
it
as
part
of
the
motion
move
forward.
A
J
F
F
The
development
would
include
a
private
street,
east-west
street,
that
comes
off
of
east
38th
street
extensions
of
public
sewer
and
water
to
serve
the
development
and,
like
I
said,
seven,
seven
single
family
lots
with
a
storm
water
detention
facility
at
the
the
northeast
corner
of
the
property
fire
turn
around
access
would
be
provided
with
a
hammerhead
turn
around
sidewalk
would
be
proposed
by
the
applicant
along
the
street,
frontages
or
private
street.
I
should
say,
and
the
surrounding
neighborhood
is
also
residential
in
nature
or
undeveloped.
Land
heavily
wooded
at
this
time.
F
F
We
would
suggest
that
property
lines
be
adjusted
so
that
the
private
street
is
considered
an
out
lot,
creating
lot
lines
just
behind
the
sidewalk
public
access
easement
across
the
private
street,
including
the
turnaround
for
emergency
vehicles
and
curb
and
gutter
along
the
sides
of
the
street
private
street.
I
should
say.
A
V
V
V
V
V
A
X
X
X
If
I
was
to
stand,
this
is
standing
from
from
my
driveway.
I
also
stand
at
the
bottom
of
that
point.
With
a
40-foot
stick.
I
still
would
not
reach
the
top
of
that
hill.
All
of
that
run-off,
especially
to
put
a
giant
run
or
road
in
between
there
is
going
to
go
directly
to
my
yard.
That's
there's
no
way
around
that,
I'm
on
a
septic
system.
There
is
no
sewer
lines
through
any
of
that.
My
neighbors
to
the
southwest,
who
are
in
this
room
do
not
have
the
sewer
line.
They
are
in
a
septic
system.
X
X
The
elevation
drop,
like
I
said,
is
the
main
part,
even
from
the
back
of
the
lot
from
the
west
side,
to
the
east
side
and
also
from
both
sides
of
the
north
and
south.
Here
in
this
photo.
We're
looking
to
the
west
so
to
the
right
of
the
photo
would
be
the
to
the
north
side,
where
they
want
to
put
the
road
for
the
to
turn
around
for
the
fire
trucks.
X
I
mean.
That's
like
a
sledding
hill
for
your
kids.
That's
not!
How
are
you
going
to
flatten
that
all
out
as
to
not
run
directly
back
into
my
yard
and
affect
you,
know
my
property
and
such
the
general
building
heights
that
are
needed
for
this,
and
for
that
plot
line
is
way
overshadowing
what
it
would
be
on
on
my
property,
I
mean,
like
I
said
it's
a
you
know
a
40
degree
radiant,
probably
on
that
one
side
and
from
the
back
side
all
the
way
forward.
X
X
So,
unless
you're
planning
on
putting
a
giant
retention
wall
that
encapsulates
my
entire
backyard
for
the
sewer
lines
for
the
drainage,
for
the
retention
walls
for
the
road
to
stay
up
and
that
and
you're
telling
me
that
none
of
this
new
construction
is
going
to
affect
my
property.
That's
not
how
this
works.
If
the
the
their
work
alone
is
going
to
have
major
implications
on
my
property
and,
like
I
said,
the
neighbors
can
speak
for
themselves,
but
they
feel
the
same
way.
X
This
would
be.
This
would
be
looking
from
looking
east
so
now,
you're
on
that
property
from
the
roadside,
as
you
can
see
in
my
house
in
the
distance
and
that
hillside
going
across
sorry
about
my
crude
drawing.
But
that's
what
we're
looking
at,
as
you
can
see
again
on
the
right
side
of
this
photo
that
that
grade
is
is
very,
very
drastic
and
it
just
from
looking
at
the
map
that
they've
provided
it
doesn't
really
give
that
good
justice,
like
I
said
we're
mainly
my
neighbor
and
I
are
on
a
septic
system.
X
So
there
is
no
sewer
lines.
There
is
no
drainage
actually
for
that
area.
Here's
the
last
one
here
just
so
you
guys
are
aware
of
the
whole
side.
I
own
all
this
right
here
and
my
neighbors
right
here,
mr
hackett.
He
can
speak
for
himself,
but
this
there's
no
way
that
this
doesn't
directly
affect
ours,
we're
both
in
opposition
of
this,
and
we
have
you
know
a
large,
obviously
stake
in
this
block.
X
There's
no
sidewalks
around
the
entire
block,
there's
actually
no
entrance
on
38th
right
now,
at
all
onto
that
property
and
from
that
road
it
goes
up
another
probably
10
or
12
feet
to
get
onto
the
grate
to
go
down
into
it.
So
yeah,
like
I
said,
the
elevation
drop
is
the
main
thing:
the
drainage
sewer
lines
even
recommended
through
the
city.
That's
extensive,
extensive
work
that
is
100
gonna
affect
my
property
yeah!
That's
I'm
in
opposition
to
this,
and
I
know
my
neighbors
are
too
any
questions.
Y
Y
Okay,
these
two
here
are
my
lots.
I'm
right
on
dubuque
and
in
case
the
folks
here
aren't
familiar.
This
area
is
called
graze,
woods
woods
as
in
you
know,
trees
forest.
That's
the
reason
we
bought
there
because
it's
forest,
it's
woods,
it's
isolated,
it's
beautiful,
but
the
picture
doesn't
show
how
many
trees
will
have
to
come
down.
Y
Y
The
wind
comes
across
that
steep
hill
down
into
the
valley.
My
house
over
here
is
up
on
the
hill,
but
what
you
can't
see
is
from
my
house:
it
slopes
radically
down.
We
have
a
ski
slope:
the
kids
love
the
toboggan
snowboard
there,
because
it's
a
big
hollow
and
the
hollow
goes,
and
then
it
goes
into
the
property
to
the
north,
which
is
that
issue
right
here,
but
the
drink.
We
have
no
storm
sewers.
Y
Y
I
work
with
the
rasmussen
group.
Do
a
lot
of
work
with
construction
companies
here
hell
of
a
lot
of
dirt.
Work
is
going
to
take
place
going
to
have
to
take
place
because
it
all
drains
that
way,
but
it's
gonna
that
that
property-
those
two
lots.
It
goes
uphill.
You
don't
see
these
elevations
here.
You
can't
see
it,
but
it
goes
uphill.
It
also
slopes
towards
scotty's
property
because
he
owns
that
whole
half
a
block
and
everything
goes
up
to
a
certain
point
and
then
goes
east.
Y
Y
So
we
have
no
sidewalks
matter
of
fact.
This
whole
area
in
here
we
have
no
sewer.
We
have
no
city
gas
lines.
This
is
basically
rural.
You
know
rural
property,
we
bought
it
because
it's
nature,
we
look
at
nature.
We
don't
look
at
houses
right
behind
us,
especially
not
in
a
big
grouping
all
crammed
into
this
little
development
that
they
show
here
which
isn't
going
to
show
how
narrow
and
cramped
it
is,
and
it's
going
to
be
little
cottage
type
houses.
Y
Z
B
Z
Said
I
mean
the
slope
issue
is
just
I
just
walked
over
there
just
a
second
ago,
so
you're
walking
up
that
street.
You
walk
up
this
street
right
here
I
mean
you,
gotta
go
there's
a
like
a
huge
berm
right
there.
It
goes
up.
You
know,
then
it
goes
immediately
down.
The
slope
is
just
really
incredible.
Over
there
I
and
the
amount
of
earthwork
and
everything
there's
no
room
for
sidewalks,
there's
no
room
for
any
of
that,
and
also
that
is
kind
of
the
reason
that
we
bought
it.
Z
Z
The
burrows
at
37
53
mentioned
they're,
enjoying
the
deer
that
come
back
there
and
the
wildlife
and
everything
and
just
the
rural
nature
of
the
area.
Just
everything
other
concerns
would
be,
for
instance,
the
traffic
seven
more
houses
would
represent.
I
don't
know
how
much
more
traffic,
but
probably
a
lot
more
cars.
There's
no
street
parking
where
the
car
is
going
to
stay.
Z
Other
issue,
of
course,
is
the
water
drainage.
Another
issue
that
was
brought
up
would
be
fire
safety
with
the
houses
crammed
like
right
up
on
each
other.
Really
like
that,
you
know.
If
one
of
them
were
to
catch
fire,
then
of
course
it
would
be
able
to
easily
spread
everywhere,
taking
out
all
the
trees.
Z
You
know
and
there's
a
lot
of
kids
that
play
on
the
street,
especially
this
indianapolis
street
right
here
I
mean
we
have
kids
from
here
all
the
way
down
skateboarding
playing
riding
their
bikes,
everything
you
know
going
all
around
just
with
increased
traffic.
I
think
there'd
be
some
safety
issues
there
you
know,
and
it
would
just
it
wouldn't
be
good
for
the
whole
neighborhood.
Z
Maybe
some
other
concerns
would
be.
You
know
just
the
how
the
community
is
there
now.
You
know,
I
think,
there's
just
it.
Just
doesn't
really
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
try
and
put
it
in.
You
know
you
have
to
get
on
the
ground
kind
of
walk
around
there
and
see
you
know.
Of
course.
I
know
that.
There's
concerns
about
housing,
maybe
there's
not
enough
houses
for
people
and
making
more
houses
can
kind
of
help
with
some
of
these
problems.
Z
But
I
just
you
know,
I'm
concerned
for
communities
and
for
people,
and
I
want
to
see
houses
for
people
and
places
for
people
to
live,
but
I
just
don't
think
it's
a
good
idea
and
as
they
were
saying,
just
the
work
involved
with
it
it'd
just
be
way
too
much.
There's
got
to
be
better
places
in
des
moines
to
address
the
housing
issues
and
where
people
can
go,
maybe
maybe
single
family
housing
isn't
the
way
to
go.
Maybe
we
need
more
multi-use,
neighborhoods
or
apartment
buildings,
or
something
like
that.
Z
I
just
I
don't
know,
but
I
just
don't
think
that
this
area
is
going
to
be
able
to
alleviate
those
type
of
concerns,
and
nor
would
it
be
worth
the
effort
to
do
it.
You
know
and
as
they're
saying
like
it
used
to
be
a
farm,
it
used
to
be
all
these.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
better
things.
You
know
just
to
keep
it
like
that.
Maybe
if
you,
the
city,
sees
some
opportunity
there
or
somebody
does,
maybe
they
could
bring
the
farm
back.
Maybe
they
could
plant
apple
trees.
Z
Maybe
that
would
be
a
lot
better.
Maybe
we
could
make
a
park,
you
know
there
or
something
just
not
like
houses,
not
more
concrete.
You
know,
you
know,
I
guess
he
did
mention
that
they're
looking
at
the
permeability
spreading
the
water
out
and
everything.
That's
that's
really
good,
but
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
enough
to
really
deal
with
the
water
issues
that
could
probably
present
themselves.
Z
You
know,
obviously
you
know
water
can
be
a
very
big
problem
and
it's
you
know
really
the
number
one
problem
of
house
ownership
or
any
sort
of
place
like
that
is
knowing.
Where
is
the
water
going
to
go?
How
much
water
is
going
to
come
in?
You
know
all
of
those
concerns
and
everything,
so
I
don't
know
I
just
feel
like
I'm
against
it.
I
know
that
the
people
that
live
at
3753
indianapolis
are
against
it.
R
Hi
carol
maher
award
three
five,
oh
three,
one
two.
I
rode
by
this
property
and
yes,
lots
of
hills
and
I
couldn't
figure
out
where
the
houses
were
going
to
go
because
the
slope
is
tremendous
and
I
know
residents
have
problems
with
sidewalks
and
and
but
they
also
mentioned
that
that
the
38th
street
is
a
slope.
R
That's
really
more
reason
for
sidewalks
that
people
are
going
to
be
walking
on
there
and
cars
are
going
to
be
cresting
that
hill,
especially
if
there
are
lots
of
kids,
I'm
a
believer
in
sidewalks.
I
know
some
of
you
are
as
well
and
the
previous
speaker
talked
about
perhaps
different
use
than
single-family
homes.
I
was
also
wondering
if
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
you
know,
throw
a
couch
coach
house
in
there
or
maybe
two
flats,
because
we
know
that
that's
the
latest
push
and
we
do
need
housing.
So
I
don't.
R
R
Will
they
be
undergrounded?
I
presume
new
construction
requires
them
to
be
undergrounded
the
electrical
yes
or
I
can't
ask
questions,
I
understand,
but
I'm
hoping
that
with
new
construction,
the
utilities
will
be
undergrounded.
There
is
an
existing
cable
line
that
runs
on
the
west
side
of
38th
street,
which
currently
has
branches
over
it,
but
I'm
hoping
that
the
electrical
will
be
undergrounded
for
this
new
development,
and
I
love
that
you
get
to
name
the
street
after
yourself.
If
you
put
it
in,
I
think
that's
a
good
bonus.
AA
AA
I
I
believe
the
city's
initiative
is
to
stay
consistent
with
the
neighborhoods
under
the
new
land
use
plans.
I
feel
like
this
is
inconsistent
with
what's
around
us,
while
it
might
allow
from
higher
density,
it
does
feel
like
a
push
considering
the
existing
lot
sizes
and
those
adjacent
to
it.
It
feels
like
we're
trying
to
force
a
lot
of
development
into
two
already
designated
lots
that
exist.
AA
A
V
V
A
neighborhood
is
not
necessarily
just
a
one
block,
it
is
a
neighborhood
there
are.
We
are
not
as
dense
as
most
of
indianapolis
avenue
is
we
have
less
per
lineal
foot
of
frontage
for
lots,
so
we
tried
to
be
respectful
of
that.
If
you
look
on
the
drawing
that's
on
the
screen,
you
can
see
where
the
grade
line
stopped,
because
we
were
sensitive
to
keeping
the
trees
based
on
our
pre-op
comments
with
your
staff,
you
can
see
where
those
dark
lines
come
in.
V
It
does
accommodate
the
lot
sizes
range
from
well
depending
on
the
size,
but
usable
space
is
about
eleven
eight
thousand
to
eleven
thousand
square
feet,
which
a
is
a
reasonable
size
lot.
The
frontage
widths
range
from
86
at
the
front
edge
to
72
along
the
back
again
larger
than
what
we
found
in
indianapolis
off
of
east
38th
court
in
in
other
parts
of
the
neighborhood.
V
When
it
comes
to
storm
water
management,
this
has
actually
been
a
nemesis
as
it's
grown
and
evolved.
The
new
standard
is
so
restrictive
that,
according
to
our
calculations,
so
if
you're
all
familiar
with
100
year
storm
that
everyone
talks
about,
I
cannot
release
a
hundred
year
storm
at
a
hundred
year
storm
my
hundred
year.
Storm
is
released
at
a
prairie
five-year
rate,
which
is
significantly
less
than
what's
going
to
be
there
now.
So,
if
there's
any
concerns
of
downstream
water,
we
can
work
it
through
with
city
engineering.
V
This
is
the
latest
and
greatest
it
forces
us
to
take
storm
water,
drainage
and
issues
very
seriously
grade
wise.
We
are
looking
at
close,
it's
a
little
deceptive
because,
if
you've
driven
the
street
there's
a
six
to
eight
foot,
berm
like
right
around
along
the
street
because
it
was
cut
out
many
many
years
ago
and
that
the
grade
allows
us
to
have
about
16
foot
of
fall
from
one
end
of
the
street
to
the
other.
V
V
V
I
think
I've
covered
most
of
the
concerns
that
everyone
had
sidewalks
again,
if
you
don't
make
me
put
sidewalks
in,
I
won't
put
sidewalks
in
that's
up
to
that's
up
to
staff
and
and
what
the
regulations
are.
But
there
is
a
push
for
sidewalks
as
we're
aware
of
in
the
city
to
get
everyone
connected,
because
if
we
don't
do
it,
then
the
neighbor
doesn't
do
it
and
it's
a
propagating
problem.
So
we
understand
that
we
do
have
to
put
sidewalks
in
beyond.
T
U
U
O
A
question
I
and
my
question
has
to
do
with
the
fact
that
this
site,
that
has
various
alleviations
for
the
hydrology
on
the
site
is
right
next
to
one
that
lacks
any
kind
of
city
stormwater
system
service,
and
I
guess
my
question
is:
does
a
city
engineer
when
reviewing
a
property
like
this,
take
into
consideration
that
there
are
different
situations
in
terms
of
the
public
improvements
or
the
lack
of
public
improvements
when
designing
a
hydrology
system?
For
this
specific,
these
specific
two
lots.
C
Yeah
well
to
answer
your
question:
yes,
the
the
engineering
staff
to
review
these
are
gonna,
look
in
the
area
around
them
because
a
lot
of
times
they're
giving
the
applicant
direction
on
you
know.
If
there
are
facilities,
can
you
tie
into
them
or
not?
You
have
to
retain
the
water
on
site,
so
they
they
are
looking
at
the
bigger
picture.
Where
does
the
water
go
and
you
know
the
rates
that
can
be
released
at?
O
C
But
I
do
want
to
note
that
I
mean
we're
reviewing
a
plot.
It's
the
density
and
the
use
is
allowed
by
zoning.
So
you
know,
I
think,
at
the
planning
stage
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
the
layout
makes
sense
that
storm
water,
you
know,
is
addressed
and
those
different
things.
So
I
do
think
that's
legitimate
concerns,
but
I
do
want
to
just
make
sure
the
commission
understands
that
we're.
Not
this
isn't
a
rezoning
where
we're
just
focused
on
is
this
appropriate
use
for
the
area
lot
sizes,
those
sorts
of
things.
C
Yeah
and
I'm
not-
I
don't
want
the
commission
to
think
I'm,
I'm
not
suggesting
that's
not
the
case,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
commission,
you
know
lost
times
times.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
our
discussion
isn't
focused
on.
Is
this
a
good
use
for
the
area
it
needs
to
be
focused
on
the
physical
and
the
appropriateness
of
the
plat
in
the
layout.
F
U
I'm
not
ready
to
set
a
motion,
but
I'm
curious
to
I
don't
know.
If,
obviously
we
don't,
we
don't
have
a
chance
to
to
talk
to
the
to
the
designer
again,
but
it
seems
like
this
design
may
not
be
the
right
design
for
these
two
lots,
so
part
of
my
question
is
whether
there's
something
else
that
has
been
proposed.
U
I
don't
know
if
the
applicant
or
the
designer
would
be
willing
to
take
another
look
at
at
the
proposal
and
perhaps
come
back
with
a
different
design
that
meets
some
of
the
concerns
or
tries
to
incorporate
some
of
those
recommendations
that
have
been
heard
here
tonight
and
perhaps
that's
a
no
that's
a
preliminary
plot.
That's
completely
different
altogether,
so
maybe
not
even
part
of
the
of
the
of
this
proposal,
but
again
something
to
consider
just
wanted
to
throw
it
out
there.
C
Yeah
I
mean
I
if
the
applicant
was
inclined,
you
know
was
agreeable
to
a
continuation.
You
know
we
certainly
could
do
that.
I
would
need
we
would
need
to
ask
wally
to
what
his
thoughts
are.
On
that
the
I
mean
the
other
option
is
you
know
if
you
were
to
sounds
like
maybe
there's
some
reluctancy,
you
know,
if
you
did,
you
know
denied
the
request.
You
know
future
application,
that's
different,
you
know,
can
always
come
back.
It's
just
a
matter
of
fee
and
maybe
timing.
C
A
C
A
L
All
right,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
bert
ross
planning
staff
for
the
city
of
des
moines
item
number.
Seven
is
a
request
for
a
public
hearing,
site
plan
and
three
design
alternatives
for
the
property
at
one
or
11
11
east
army
post
road-
it
is
the
former
sears
department
store
property
at
southridge
and
it's
being
converted
to
a
genesis,
health
club.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
there
are
three
design
alternatives
requested
for
the
site
plan.
Here's
a
aerial
view
of
the
property.
L
L
Here's
another
photo
looking
north
from
the
building,
so
you
can
see
it's
the
former
toys
r
us
that's
now
the
veterans
affairs
outpatient
clinic
just
to
the
north
of
this
parking
lot
and
then
here's
a
photo
looking
at
the
former
sears
department
store
that
would
be
converted
to
the
gym
and
then
here
is
a
photo
taken
from
the
southeast
corner.
Looking
northwest
across
that
expansive
parking
lot,
and
here
at
the
left,
you
can
see
the
building.
L
So,
as
I
mentioned,
there
are
three
design
alternatives
being
requested.
The
they're
best
shown
on
this
layout
right
here
I'll
go
through
the
three.
The
first
is
they're
asking
for
waiver
of
the
requirement
that
they
provide
a
landscape
island
for
every
ninth
parking
space,
and
that's
request
is
for
the
parking
lots
to
the
north
east
and
south
of
the
building.
L
L
Staff
is
recommending
a
kind
of
a
meet
in
the
middle
approach,
we're
recommending
that
they
provide
one
landscape
island
for
every
16
parking
spaces.
So
it
technically
doesn't
cut
the
requirement
in
half,
but
it
would
reduce
it
by
about
40
percent.
So
in
the
staff
recommendation
I
mentioned
that
it
would
reduce
the
total
number
from
87
to
approximately
52
landscape
islands
within
the
parking
lot
and
again,
our
recommendation
would
be
that
each
of
those
15
or
52
landscape
islands
have
a
shade
tree.
L
The
part
b,
which
is
waiver
of
the
berm
around
the
perimeter
of
the
parking
lot
staff,
does
feel
it's
appropriate
to
use
the
existing
landscaping.
That
is
there,
there's
no
berm
within
it,
but
there
are
quite
a
few
trees,
but
we
have
recommended
approval
of
part
b
subject
to
provision
of
an
additional
tree
and
we
feel
it
would
be
best
placed
right
here.
L
If
you
can
see
where
my
house
is
there's
kind
of
a
gap
in
the
trees,
so
we
feel
that
they
could
add
one
tree
there
and
then
in
part
c
again,
that's
the
waiver
of
the
requirement
that
they
provide
tree
canopy
representing
15
of
the
site.
If
they.
If
the
commission
moves
the
staff
recommendation
in
part
a
we
feel
or
we
believe
that
the
tree
canopy
requirement
could
be
met,
so
we've
recommended
denial
of
the
request
in
part
c,
just
knowing
that
the.
L
If
the
landscape
islands
are
provided
every
16
spaces
that
they
would
meet
the
15
and
and
back
to
part
a,
I
did
forget
to
mention
that
our
recommendation
is
to
provide
one
landscape
island
for
16
stalls
plus
put
the
terminal
landscape
islands
on
all
ends
of
the
parking.
So
if
you
look
here
on
the
where
my
mouse
is
there's
some
missing
landscape
islands,
there
we'd
like
to
see
the
terminal
landscape
islands
added
there
with
shade
trees
and
then
here
to
the
east
of
the
building.
L
C
So,
very
just
sorry
energetic.
So
if
I
could
paraphrase
just,
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
everybody
that
the
recommendation
is
based
off
the
notion
that
the
lot
to
to
the
east
of
the
building
to
the
south
there
would
be
no
intervening
parking
stall
or
islands.
It
would
just
be
end
caps
and
then
the
north
parking
lot
would
have
the
intervening
16..
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
L
Yeah,
I
did
gloss
over
that.
So
if
you
read
the
staff
recommendation,
it's
a
little
more
clear
to
jason's
point
that
in
part
a
we've
recommended
terminal
island
shall
be
provided
for
all
roads
with
in
the
south,
east
and
north
parking
lots,
and
then
one
landscape
island
for
16
stalls
for
the
northern
lot.
Only
so
we
didn't
recommend
those
landscape
islands
in
the
lots
to
the
east
or
to
the
south
of
the
building
just
to
the
north
and
then
in
part
b.
L
L
The
second
letter
is
the
longest
which
I'll
come
back
to
it's
from
the
somerset
neighborhood
association
they've
recommended
in
support,
but
their
letter
generally
follows
kind
of
the
staff
recommendation
as
far
as
providing
the
terminal
islands,
and
if
you
read
it,
there
they've
asked
they
believe
that
providing
the
landscape
around
the
perimeter
would
be
appropriate.
They
do
request
full
waver
of
the
landscape
islands
interior
to
the
parking
lot,
though,
and
then
the
third
letter
we
received
was
from
the
easter
lake
neighborhood
association,
also
in
support
of
the
public
hearing,
site
plan
and
design
alternatives.
L
AC
L
C
AC
C
AC
P
AC
U
U
L
AC
W
W
C
Yeah,
but
I
do
going
back
to
the
development
of
landscape
standards
in
general,
they
were
intended
to
have
as
much
area
be
open.
You
know
vulnerable,
so
it's
not.
I
mean
the
any
of
the
landscaping.
Standards
are
set
up
for
parking.
Lots
are
kind
of
multi-purpose,
there's
the
aesthetic,
which
is
obvious.
W
L
E
My
name
is
martin
haney,
I'm
the
architect
that
represents
rodney,
stephen,
the
owner
of
genesis,
health
club.
I
appreciate
you
having
me
tonight
squeezing
me
in
I
understand
we
kind
of
we're
last
minute
on
the
agenda,
so,
if
you'll
bear
with
me
I'll
kind
of
go
through
some
of
the
history
that
I
know
as
far
as
the
mall,
what
we
saw
was
southridge
mall
was
kind
of
a
reflection
of
what's
happening
in
the
economy.
E
It
started
as
a
regional
shopping
center.
It
opened
in
75
and
then,
as
retail,
began
to
change
the
mall
changed
with
it.
So
in
2012
a
little
less
than
half
of
the
mall
was
removed.
You
kind
of
referred
to
that
when
you
were
looking
at
the
the
parking
area
there
so
as
the
department's,
the
main
hubs,
the
department
like
sears
and
yonkers
as
the
times
changed,
the
things
got
harder
for
them
so
sears
closed
in.
E
E
At
that
point,
genesis
internal
team
got
together
and
put
together
preliminary
cost
estimates
to
see
if
they
could
convert
the
over
108
000
square
feet,
that
was
the
sears
shopping
center
into
a
viable,
profitable
health
club,
those
budgets,
unfortunately,
at
that
time,
didn't
include
landscaping
or
the
the
parking
burn
buffers.
As
you
go
around
the
what
I
was
calling
the
mace
ridge
circular
drive.
E
Genesis
has
expressed
reservations
about
going
into
a
mall.
They
usually
don't
do
that.
Some
of
their
concerns
were
if
they,
if
they
put
15
to
20
million
dollars
in
an
investment.
What
happens
with
the
other
stores
things
change
like
what
happened
to
sears
and
yonkers?
Will
they
be
the
only
thing
sitting
there
in
a
bacon
mall,
which
makes
it
very
tough
for
them,
and
the
other
thing
is
just
here
recently.
As
everybody
knows,
covet
has
been
very
tough
on
the
health
care
industry
as
well
as
retail.
It's
hurt
the
brick
and
mortar
stores.
E
Also,
I
think
what
really
brought
this
to
the
forefront
was
the
changes
in
the
construction
costs.
So
as
a
part
of
this
project,
you
can
kind
of
see
on
the
map
that
there's
the
square
block,
that
was
the
sears
and
then
there's
a
rectangular
piece
to
the
west
of
it.
That
rectangular
piece
is
planned
to
be
basically
raised.
E
E
We
can't
do
the
landscape
and
I
know
that's
not
going
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance,
but
he
was
going
from
a
business
standpoint.
What
he
said
to
me
was
basically,
I
won't
get
one
new
member,
because
I
planted
a
tree.
I
won't
have
any
more
basketball
teams
coming
to
the
facility
because
I
planted
the
trees
on
a
long
term.
Note,
it's
going
to
cost
me
money
to
try
to
maintain
what
we're
asked
to
invest
in
this
facility
in
the
lot.
E
So
when
he
looked
at
it
as
far
as
the
initial
purchase,
he
was
thinking.
He's
got
this
sea
of
concrete
that
he
can
do
just
about
any
kind
of
a
program
and
have
plenty
of
parking
without
having
an
issue.
I
will
have
a
side
note
that
it's
really
strange
that
people
want
to
park
next
to
the
front
door
of
a
health
club
when
they
go
inside
and
run
in
place,
but
that's
that
was
his
main
concerns
with
it.
E
E
We
do
appreciate
the
zoning
revisions
that
came
back
and
as
one
of
the
things
that
we
had
suggested
in,
I
guess
consideration
of
removing
those
islands
was
genesis
was
going
to
increase
their
subsidy
125
000,
making
the
total
subsidy
for
seniors
and
disadvantaged
youth
up
to
375
000.
In
addition
to
that,
they
added
the
we're
suggesting
the
11
trees
around
the
existing
perimeter
and
in
accordance
with
the
zoning's
request.
He
was
okay
with
going
to
the
12.
E
The
some
discussion
was
on
the
number
of
islands
and
what
I
proposed,
or
had
shown
on
the
plan
that
you
looked
at
earlier
with
the
yellow
area
that
was
during
the
preliminary
site
plan
review.
It
was
suggested
to
us
that
we
landscape
just
what's
required,
not
necessarily
the
whole
lot
taking
into
consideration
the
size
of
the
footprint.
E
E
Currently
they
were
looking
to
invest
the
multi-million
dollars
into
this
facility,
but
there
there
is
some
reservations
on
the
ability
to
meet
the
budget.
If
we
keep
extending
it
further
into
some
of
these,
so
we
were
really
looking
for
some
help
to
see.
If
we
could
consider
this,
as
I
think
the
trigger
was
change
of
occupancy
from
a
business
or
retail
into
an
assembly
occupancy,
I
think
that's
what
triggered
the
new
landscape.
E
D
E
E
What
we
were
we
were
looking
at
the
east
and
the
south
has
not
really
been
utilized
by
anybody
at
this
point,
and
so
we
thought
the
the
white
area
in
the
plan
that's
to
the
south
of
the
yellow
of
the
genesis
health
club.
That's
not
going
to
be
used
space,
so
at
least
the
way
we
thought
was
whenever
that
comes
up
as
far
as
an
occupant,
it
would
be
resubmitted
and
then
whatever
parking
they
were
required
would
be
embellished
at
that
point.
E
U
Yes,
just
as
a
follow-up
to
to
my
prior
question,
part
of
this
is
also
you
know,
based
on
the
the
trigger,
which
is
the
the
change
of
views
because
of
the
tenant
that's
going
in.
We
leave
out
the
the
ownership
piece
of
it
right,
so
they
also
have
a
stake
into
the
development
of
this
property
or
the
redevelopment
the
reuse.
U
E
W
R
R
Well,
it
was
in
the
packet,
this
looks
different,
but
I
don't
know,
but
they
were
like
not
functional
bike
racks
and
there's
going
to
be
45
of
them.
So
hopefully
you'll
get
some
that
you
can
actually
lock
your
bike
to
and
if
we
don't
all
that,
want
all
that
concrete
how
about
rather
than
paving
paradise
and
putting
in
a
parking
lot,
we
pull
up
the
parking
lot
and
put
in
a
prairie
it.
R
You
know
you
throw
in
some
polar
seeds
and
they
grow
forever
and
ever
because
that's
what
we
were
once
so
or
if
we
have
all
that
concrete
how
about
a
skate
park
or
something
perhaps
a
different
use
for
that
sea
of
scariness
that
doesn't
have
any
trees.
So
that's
my
thought,
but
it'll
be
great
when
it's
open.
Thank
you.
A
AC
So
I'm
in
full
support
of
the
the
request
from
the
developers
and
the
applicant,
and
I'm
also
I
just
have
to
say
this-
I'm
I
do
not
like
parking
lot.
Islands
show
me
one
that's
five
years
old
that
looks
good
and
you'll
you'll
you'll,
probably
change
my
mind.
I
drove
around
this
weekend
all
over
the
place.
Looking
for
one
that
looked
good,
they
just
they
don't
work
their
intended
uses
to
create.
You
know,
help
offset
the
heat
island
effect.
AC
AC
AC
U
That
said,
if
you
go
down
here,
if
you
go
to
target,
if
you
go
to
hyvee,
if
you
go
to
the
stores
that
are
still
there
every
time
you
go
there,
you
see
the
sea
of
pavement
and
it's
right
now,
it's
vacant
nobody's
parking
there.
It's
used
for
drag
racing,
sometimes
when
the
businesses
are
closed,
is
used
for
other
purposes
that
I'm
not
going
to
get
into,
but
I
was
glad
that
somebody
brought
up
the
stormwater
issue
because
this
area
specifically
in
front
of
this
building
the
grade
itself,
that's
where
water
is
collected.
U
In
addition,
as
I,
as
it
was
confirmed
earlier,
we
had
recent
developments
around
this
area
and
in
the
south
side,
where
we
have
set
a
precedent
and
some
islands
have
to
be
implemented,
menards
the
va
the
va
clinic-
that's
here
just
north
here
and
then
the
unity
point
to
the
to
the
east.
Now
I
also
consider
that
this
is
way
too
much
parking,
so
it's
putting
a
lot
of
on
the
applicant
on
the
user
itself,
which
is
why
I
brought
up
the
point
that
what
is
the
owner's
stake
on
this
redevelopment?
U
I
think
that
staff
has
done
a
great
job
of
providing
some
flexibility
with
these
waiver
requests.
I
would
I
would
love
to
give
the
user
a
little
bit
more
of
that
flexibility,
but
not
waive
the
entire
requirement
as
to
not
provide
any
additional
trees
or
parking
islands.
As
I
said
earlier,
we
have
set
a
precedent.
I
would
love
to
continue
that
precedent
again,
making
the
south
side
what
it
should
be
and
helping
with
the
all
of
the
great
benefits
that
come
with
additional
green
space.
D
C
Oh
sure,
so
that
would
be
approval
of
the
three
requested
design
alternatives
which
would
be
the
parking
lot
islands,
the
perimeter
buffer
and
then
the
overall
canopy
requirement
yeah.
So
I
think
we're
scrolling
up
to
the
front
there.
So
those
are
the
three
waiver,
the
request
right
there
and,
as
was
alluded
part
c,
really
goes
along
with
a
and
b.
So
because
you
can,
as
noted
there
anything
that
is
provided
for
a
and
b
addresses
c.
A
H
A
A
J
J
P
J
Again,
thoroughly
agree
with
todd,
I
think
who
said
it
that
most
typical
five
foot
wide
islands
don't
provide
good
opportunity
for
landscape
I'd
rather
see
if,
if
jason
could
come
up
with
some
percentage
of
paved
area
that
should
be
converted
to
landscape,
in
other
words,
all
the
islands.
The
staff
is
proposing
the
added
the
end
island
and
maybe
that's
10,
two
percent.
I
don't
know
what
that
is.
W
W
C
C
J
J
C
Yeah
I
mean
there
could
be
a
motion.
That's
a
percentage
base.
You
know
my
gut
reaction
to
you
know,
listening
to
what
your
your
comments
are
and,
and
is
that
it's
probably
focused
the
most
bang
for
the
buck,
like
the
most
impactful
is
to
be
on
that
southern
part
of
the
you
know,
kind
of
in
the
yellow
area,
it's
closer
to
the
building.
So
if
something
redevelops
to
the
north.
J
I
think
what
the
reason
I'm
saying
it's
up
to
the
team
is,
I
don't
know
which
way:
storm
water
flows
on
the
site.
I
don't
know
what
it
does,
so
that
could
be
a
parameter
that
hey
water
moves
to
this
area
or
that
area.
Let's
do
something
I
I
I
understand
from
an
aesthetic
point
of
view
that
getting
more
greenery
in
between
parking
and
the
building's
good.
You
know,
I
just
think
a
design
team
could
take
a
good
swing
and
you
could.
C
A
C
No
just
a
reminder,
I
want
to
thank
those
that
volunteered
at
the
last
meeting
to
be
on
the
nomination
committee
for
the
officers
election
and
which
will
be
in
january.
Just
minor
race
in
january
is
the
election
january
20th
we
won't
have.
I
won't
be
at
the
next
meeting,
so
everybody
have
a
great
holiday
and
and
then
we
won't
in
january
we
only
have
one
meeting,
so
you
get
a
little
time
off.