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From YouTube: 10-21-21 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, Oct. 21, 2021.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
A
A
A
A
Applicants
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
A
A
A
A
A
Item
number
three
is
a
request
from
jerry's
homes,
for
property,
located
at
166
crossroads
drive
and
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
to
allow
paving
in
the
front
yard
that
is
in
excess
of
the
maximum
allowed
25
of
the
total
front
yard
area,
as
allowed
for
a
house
type
a
so.
Anyone
who
wishes
to
have
this
item
pulled
from
consent.
B
Yeah,
if
I
could
share
I'm
sorry,
the
individual
that
asked
on
item
two,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
understand
that
if
it
stays
on
the
consent
agenda,
it
will
be
approved.
The
request
will
be
approved.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
applicant
or
whoever
was
here
that
raised
their
hand
understands
that.
B
A
Okay
item
number:
six
of
the
request
from
kraus
plus
for
a
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing.
Preliminary
plat
western
gateway
phase,
one
preliminary
plat
for
property
in
the
vicinity
of
555
17th
street
to
allow
for
consolidation
of
multiple
lots
and
b
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan,
big
grove,
brewery
for
property
in
the
vicinity
of
555
17th
street
and
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
to
allow
use
and
expansion
of
an
existing
parking
lot
within
a
yard.
Fronting
a
primary
street
high
street.
A
Commissioner,
okay
item
seven
will
remain,
I've
talked
with
staff
and
they
said
item
8
could
also
move
to
consent.
I'll
read
it
city
initiated
requests
for
the
following:
a
determination
as
to
whether
the
proposed
fourth
restated
urban
revitalization
plan
for
the
city-wide
urban
revitalization
area
to
update,
amend
and
extend
the
duration
of
the
existing
urban
revitalization
plan
is
in
conformance
with
plan.
Dsm
b
is
determination
as
to
whether
the
proposed
amendment
to
des
moines
municipal
code
to
revise
the
flat
building
type
into
flat
a
and
flat
b
building
types
is
in
conformance
with
plan
dsm.
D
A
E
The
city
council
would
actually
approve
the
policy
the
commission
yeah.
The
the
commission
is
only
charged
with
determining
whether
the
urban
revitalization
plan
is,
in
conformance
with
the
plan,
dsm,
comprehensive
land
use
plan
and
then
whether
the
proposed
amendments
to
chapter
135
are,
in
conformance
with
the
comp
plan.
So
really
that's
all
that
the
commission's
charged
with
is
making
that
those
determinations
and
then
the
official
public
hearing
would
occur
at
the
city
council.
A
A
A
A
E
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
bert
drost
planning
staff
for
the
city
of
des
moines
item
number:
two
is
a
request
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
for
the
property
at
160
crossroads
drive.
The
property
contains
a
recently
constructed
house
within
a
new
subdivision.
That's
located
along
the
north
side
of
east
county
line
road
just
to
the
south
of
polk
county's
fort
des
moines
park.
E
The
house
that's
been
constructed,
has
a
driveway
that
covers
40
percent
of
the
front
yard
area.
So
you
can
see
from
the
photo
it's
hard
to
tell
where
the
property
lines
are,
but
just
know
that
the
driveway
covers
40
percent
of
the
front
yard
area,
and
our
code
only
allows
single
family
houses
to
cover
up
to
25
of
the
front
yard
area
with
pavement.
So
the
design
alternative
would
allow
them
to
increase,
what's
allowed
from
25
to
40
percent.
E
You
can
see
that
the
garage
here
has
a
it's
an
extra
wide
garage,
so
it's
like
a
two
and
a
half
stall
garage,
but
there's
no
door
here
on
the
front.
So
if
there
were
a
third
door
here,
then
this
existing
pavement
would
be
allowed.
But
here
are
a
couple
other
photos
that
show
the
character
of
the
area.
You
can
see.
A
house
just
around
the
corner
has
a
similar
type
garage
where
it's
a
two-car
garage,
but
it
has
an
additional.
F
E
E
And
our
staff
recommendation,
we
are
supportive.
We
feel
that
they
do
have
a
practical
difficulty
in
providing
enough
paving
in
front
of
their
garage
to
allow
for
an
extra
third
car
to
be
in
this
driveway
without
blocking
the
garage
dolls.
So
we
do
feel
that,
given
the
character
of
this
area,
the
proposed
driveway
is
compatible.
So
we
have
recommended
approval
of
the
consent
of
the
type
2
design
alternative
and
we
did
not
receive
any
comment
cards
or
feedback.
So
any
questions
for
me.
A
G
The
reason
we
have
this
right
is
so
that
we
don't
have
as
much
concrete
so
that
things
will
maybe
absorb
into
a
pervious
ground
right,
and
so
I'm
willing
to
bet
jerry
has
built
all
those
homes
there.
All
those
driveways
are
bigger
than
they
should
be,
and
this
is
sort
of
just
a
continuation
of
over
and
over
and
over
getting
approval
for
more
concrete
than
he
should
have,
and
I
think
at
some
point
you
got
to
say
no
jerry.
How
about
you
get
approval
first,.
B
I
can
jump
in
burke,
I
don't
know
if
it's
hard
to
see
on
the
screen
there,
but
that
that
what's
kind
of
a
third
stall,
it's
only
about
seven
feet
wide,
so
it'd
be
pretty
challenging
to
I
mean
get
an
overhead
door
of
consequence
there.
I
do
know
from
working
with
the
staff
that
reviewed
this
on
the
residential
side,
that
there
are
a
lot
of
other
houses
in
this
development
that
are,
there
are
three
car
garage
houses.
B
These
are
the
only
two
that
I'm
aware
of
with
this
plan,
where
it's
a
kind
of
a
two
car
with
a
bonus,
so
I
don't
think
they've
built
either
one
of
these.
Yet
this
I
believe
this
is
the
first
one
and
then
the
next
one
on
the
agenda.
Is
there
the
follow-up?
That
is,
it's
not
in
place
yet
so
happy
to
answer
more
questions.
If
you
have
them.
D
Just
to
clarify,
because
basically
every
street
on
this
block
is
the
exact
same
design
every
street
on
this
block.
Has
that
third
door
so
really
we're
talking.
I
mean
it's
a
double
plus
a
third,
so
we're
talking
about
the
fact
that
they
did
not
put
in
the
door,
which
is
what
would
have
otherwise
allowed
this
concrete.
So
the
issue
there's
too
much
concrete,
is
irrelevant
to
whether
or
not
they
need
to
have
a
door
in
the
garage.
B
No,
I
I
guess
I
would
go
back
to
saying
that,
as
bird
alluded
to
or
mentioned
in
his
presentation
there
there's
a
maximum
amount
of
impervious
area
you
can
have,
but
the
code
says
you
can
have
as
much
as
you
need
to
serve
your
garage
doors.
So
if
this
had,
if
this
was
a
little
bit
wider
and
had
an
overhead
door,
we
would
not
be
here
tonight
which
most
of
the
other
houses
have
been
built.
Are
the
three
car
there's
we're
not
we're
not
asking
them
to
put
a
door
in
here.
B
A
E
Art
yeah
sure
madam
chair
members
of
commission,
bert
drost
planning
staff
for
the
city
of
des
moines.
Again,
I
believe
this
one
will
make
carol
a
little
happier,
it's
the
property
next
door
to
the
east,
a
similar
situation,
but
in
this
case
they're
actually
asking
first
so
they've
applied
for
the
building
permit
and
you
can
see
they've
started
construction
on
the
house,
but
I
don't
believe
that
they've
paved
the
concrete
yet
so
this
is
the
layout.
E
The
original
or
this
appeal
tonight
would
allow
them
to
pave
this
additional
area
here
along
the
east
side
of
the
garage.
So
I
believe
their
plan
in
this
case
is
a
little
different
in
that
the
bonus
garage
space
is
located
on
the
right
side
of
the
overhead
garage
door
instead
of
the
left
side
of
the
garage
door.
E
But
again,
staff
believes
that
the
proposed
extra
pavement
is
in
character
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
just
given
the
number
of
other
houses
in
the
area
that
are
three-car
garages
that
have
comparable
amounts
of
pavement.
So
we
have
recommended
approval
of
this
type.
2
design
alternative
as
well.
H
I
have
a
question
regarding
the
last
one,
but
is
there
a
way
for
a
staff
to
keep
track
of
these
oopsies?
I
did
it
already
type
of
situations
where
you
know
if
it
is
the
case
in
the
future,
where
we
just
have
jerry's
homes
or
whoever
it
is
that
they
continue
to
do
this
right,
for
you
all
to
see
a
trend
and
then
share
that
with
in
your
staff
reports
or
yeah.
E
E
H
B
And
then
in
their
defense
you
know,
and
I'm
usually
not
one
to
you
know
be
in
a
hurry
to
help
it.
You
know
you
know
skirt
the
rules
or
anything
like
that.
So
I
I
I
do
think
that,
but
I
I
do
need
to
offer
up
that
they
were
issued
a
permit
for
that
house.
But
what
happened?
They
submitted
a
originally.
The
proposal
came
in
with
the
full
pavement.
They
were
advised
that
that
was
going
to
require
a
type
2
and
we
couldn't
issue
a
permit.
B
So
they
gave
us
a
different
site
plan
that
showed
it
removed,
so
they
could
get
started
and
then
they
were
going
to
come
back
and
ask
and
then
they
forgot
to
come
back
and
ask,
and
so
it
is
on
them
that
it's
their
bad,
that
they
forgot
through
the
process,
but
they
did.
They
were
aware
and
had
expressed
to
us
the
intent
to
do
this
in
the
right
order.
It
just
got
dropped
and
what
you
know,
but.
B
I
B
I
B
I
D
One
more
clarification
on
this
because
in
this
case
the
third
stall
is
theoretically
on
the
right
versus
the
left
or
east
versus
the
west.
In
this
case,
you
know,
if
they
just
put
a
door
in,
do
we
have
any
ground
to
stand
on
number
two.
The
width
there's
only
seven
feet.
Is
there
a
minimum
of
the
size
width
that
we
need
in
order
for
it
to
be
a
garage
door.
E
To
your
point,
I
think
if
they
would
have
enough
space
to
add
a
garage
door,
I
think
you
probably
need
them
eight
feet
to
put
in
the
garage
door,
but
if
they
had
that
and
they
added
a
garage
door,
then
you're
absolutely
right.
We
would
not
be
here
tonight,
but
they
would
have
to
add
an
overhead
door
to
that.
I
don't
know
that
our
code
has
an
explicit
minimum
with
the
garage
door.
I've
seen
some
houses
that
have
like
a
narrow.
Stop.
Like
a
golf
cart.
I
don't
know
if.
E
B
A
E
E
The
I
guess
the
triggering
event
that
occurred
for
the
site
plan
was
that
there
was
a
tenant
improvement
permit
issued
for
one
of
the
middle
tenant
bays
within
this
building,
and
the,
I
believe,
is
a
73
thousand
dollar
permit
value
that
was
enough
to
trigger
the
full
site
compliance
since
our
code
reads
that
site
improvements
cumulative
since
2004
once
they
be
or
once
the
cumulatively
represent
more
than
50
percent
of
the
total
value
of
the
building,
then
full
site
compliance
is
required.
So
there's
been
several
tenant
improvement
permits
issued
for
this
property
over
the
years.
E
And
just
I
believe,
like
I
mentioned,
their
total
project,
cost
was
73
000,
but
the
estimate
for
the
utility
work
came
to
200
000
for
the
lines
along
the
northern
edge
of
the
property
and
then
16
000
for
the
pole
and
line
at
the
southeastern
edge
of
the
property.
So
you
can
see
that
the
216
000
cost
is
more
than
three
times
the
value
the
person
who
wrote
the
staff
report
wrote
that
the
two
together,
if
they
were
required
to
do
the
tenant
improvements
plus
the
two
hundred.
E
Sixteen
thousand,
that
two
hundred
and
sixteen
thousand
would
represent
six
or
seventy
three
percent
of
the
total
cost.
So
staff
looked
at
that
and
we
didn't
feel
that
it
was
reasonable
to
require
him
to
do
216,
000
dollars
worth
of
utility
work
just
for
a
73
or
a
70
8
000
dollar
project.
So
we
have
recommended
approval
of
the
type
2
design
alternative.
Again
we
did
not
receive
any
comment
cards
back
either
in
support
or
opposition.
So
any
questions.
J
A
G
G
I
rode
by
there
today
and
I
don't
know
if
full
compliance
includes
removing
the
really
large
four-leaf
sign,
that's
in
the
it's
wooden
and
it's
in
the
ground
in
the
sort
of
parkway
area,
not
the
street
side
parkway,
but
this
sidewalk
side
parkway,
I'm
hoping
that,
maybe
it's
fully
leased.
It
looks
like
it's
fully
leased.
It
would
be
great
to
take
down
that
sign
because
that's
sort
of
a
blight
sort
of
trigger
and
it
mentions
a
fence-
that's
going
to
go
up
later,
based
on
working
with
the
city.
G
Dumpsters
in
the
back
that
have
a
dumpster
enclosure,
but
the
dumpsters
aren't
closed
and
the
enclosure
isn't
closed
and
the
backside
of
the
building
is
is
kind
of
unsightly,
and
I
know
the
city
and
developers
are
putting
boatloads
of
money
into
merle
hay
to
really
sex
up
that
area
and
it'd
be
nice.
If
this
property,
which
is
right,
there,
could
really
up
their
game
a
little
bit
and
make
that
strip
mall
looked
better
and
it
wasn't
clear
to
me
in
looking
at
the
site
plan.
G
J
So
I'll
just
do
a
rebuttal
on
a
couple
of
our
questions
here
I
know
one
of
the
concerns
was
the
landscaping
in
the
back
there,
and
I
know,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
evergreen
trees.
That
kind
of
block
that,
from
that
southerly
view
there
from
the
residential
side
of
it,
and
that's
something
we
could
work
with
city
staff
with
as
well
to
make
sure
that
that
is
adequate
and
something
you
guys
are
happy
with
and
then,
as
far
as
landscaping,
there's
going
to
be
landscaping
included
along
the
merle.
F
J
Side
there
to
kind
of
clean
that
up
along
the
frontage,
so
hopefully
that
kind
of
beautifies
that
and
also
is
kind
of
congruent
with
what
they're
trying
to
do
there
with
that
all
the
improvements
they're
doing
at
the
mall,
so
that
kind
of
beautifies
that
whole
area,
I
know,
they're
doing
some
work
across
the
street
as
well,
so
in
working
with
city
staff,
I'm
hoping
we're
kind
of
keeping
that
same
continuity
throughout
there.
That
way
that
entire
corner
is
coming
up.
J
B
Yeah,
when
I
look
at
google
street
view,
I
think
there's
a
temporary
marketing
sign
of
pretty
decent
size.
That
maybe
carol
is
referring
to
that's
out
front.
So
we
I'm
not
sure
off
the
top
of
my
head,
how
long
those
are
allowed
to
remain
in
place
by
the
zoning
code
process,
but
we
can
look
into
it,
but
it's
not
a
permanent
installation
and
the
site
plan
is
not
going
to
give
it
any
rights.
B
A
C
A
D
D
All
right,
well,
let
me
explain,
I
even
took
notes
to
make
sure
you
don't
ruin
your
whole
night
so
on
on
one
part,
there's
been
some
conversations
this
past
week
and
I
want
to
say
I'm
excited
to
learn
that
the
director
of
development
services
said
that
sort
of
a
plan
for
how
to
consistently
deal
with
this
undergrounding
is
going
to
be
brought
forward
within
the
next
71
days.
That's
awesome!
So,
within
71
days
we
should
have
a
plan
brought
forward
on
how
we
will
consistently
actually
manage
these
undergrounding
issues
in
an
equitable
manner.
D
But
the
reason
I
want
to
pull
this
off
was
that
the
site
is
a
perfect
example
of
the
mixed
objectives
that
we're
requiring,
and
I
think
we
should
be
giving
more
thought
than
just
a
straight
waving
of
them.
For
a
few
reasons.
The
first
is,
the
cost
is
extremely
high.
There's
a
very
extremely
high
cost
relative
to
what
the
actual
project
is
here
I
I
was
curious
on
the
triggering
as
well,
so
I
appreciate
the
clarification
there.
I
think
it
makes
sense
on
the
surface
to
say
this
is
an
unreasonable
cost
fully
agree.
D
I
don't
think
we
should
be
asking
them
to
bear
this
cost,
but
we
are
asking
a
private
citizen
to
bear
the
cost
of
improving
a
public
asset
that
has
an
artificially
high
cost
right.
We
know
that
the
cost
of
these
will
go
down
in
bulk.
For
example,
centurylink
has
an
estimate
where
it
says
that
it's
only
it's
only
economically
viable
for
them
to
underground
once
they
have
27
properties
in
a
row.
D
Sorry
over
25,
I'm
not
sure
it's
27.,
so
the
point
is
once
we're
at
25
or
more
that's
the
only
time
this
becomes
economically
viable
utility
lines
are
not
different
right.
This
is
all
the
same.
The
same
driver
of
cost
this
applicant
at
the
same
time
is
putting
in
trees,
which
we
want
awesome.
I
just
think
I
flew
back
the
other
day
from
houston.
D
It's
really
really
awesome
coming
into
des
moines
and
seeing
what's
a
comparative
forest
compared
to
houston,
which
can
make
your
own
conclusions
about
houston,
but
it's
it's
pretty
awe
inspiring
and
awesome
that
we've
had
a
commitment
to
trees.
However,
we
should
expect
that
those
trees
will
someday
grow
to
influence
the
integrity
of
this
grid.
D
We
know
that
we
lose
access
to
that
resource
when
we
don't
have
when
we
don't
have
it
up,
we
know
we
are
losing
more
and
more
of
them
if
we
have
trees
in
the
middle
of
them.
We
also
know
that
we're
having
this
private
company
is
able
to
actually
reduce
our
tree
canopy
in
in,
in
order
to
actually
maintain
this
asset
and
not
have
risk
of
that
asset
going
down.
D
I
guess
I
would
sort
of
say
I
I'm
not
entirely
sure
why
we're
putting
the
cost
for
something.
That's
their
private
citizens
this
this
group,
when
it
goes
down,
I
don't
know
why
we
are
allowed
to
put
it
back
up.
This
is
a
large,
and
this
is
a
large
transmission
piece
within
this
neighborhood.
This
is
something
we
should
probably
have
a
more
thoughtful
idea
on
who
actually
bears
the
burden
of
reducing
our
access
to
risk
from
these
types
of
resources.
D
I
know
that's
a
big
issue,
I
I
understand.
Well,
I
guess
I
would
have
a
preference,
so
the
the
city
should
own
our
own
assets
that
give
our
access
to
our
services.
I
know
that's
like
way
outside
of
bounds
of
us
at
the
moment.
However,
I
would
hope
that
we're
going
to
give
development
department
the
71
days,
which
isn't
a
lot
of
time,
that
they're
asking
for
to
allow
us
to
come
back
with
here's,
how
we
want
to
equitably
ensure
this
undergrounding
is
accounted
for.
D
I
mean
that's
what
we'll
ask
for
last
night,
we
weren't
sure
how
long
it
was
going
to
take
now.
It's
like
71
days
awesome.
So
I
guess
the
the
motion
I
would
like
is
number
one
to
approve
the
public
hearing
site
plan,
subject
to
compliance
all
the
administrative
reviews
and
comments,
which
is
the
first
piece
of
staff,
but
I'd
like
to
amend
it,
to
defer
the
required
underground
in
the
utility
lines
for
one
year.
This
gives
the
opportunity
for
development
services
to
come
back
in
a
time
period,
which
seems
like
it's
right
around
the
corner.
D
To
tell
us
hey.
This
is
how
we
do
it
otherwise,
and
also
you
know
again,
it
protects
the
citizens
and
our
ordinances
from
taking
away
their
opportunity
to
have
access
to
services.
If
we
do
have
the
effects
of
these
going
down
and
protects
our
ordnance,
because
it
spent
a
lot
of
time
to
get
this
ordinance
right.
D
If
it's
right,
we
should
push
to
ensure
it's
enforced
if
it
needs
modified,
we'll
know
in
71
days,
so
my
modification
would
be.
I
would
like
to
defer
versus
wave
for
one
year
on
this,
so
we
don't
start,
and
so
we
don't
keep
chipping
away
at
the
ordinance
when
right
now,
it
seems
like
we're
right
around
the
corner
with
an
answer.
B
We
are
working
on
the
issue.
I
think
we're
71
days,
ish,
looking
to
have
some
concepts
to
present
at
a
workshop
to
the
city
council
to
get
direction
from
them
on
what
path
they
want
us
to
take.
So
I
I
want
to
clarify
that
we're
not
71
days
away
from
like
a
hard
recommendation
from
staff
that
this
is
what
we're
going
to
do.
It's
we're
going
to
put
together
some
concepts
for
the
council
to
give
us
direction
on
that.
We
would
then
run
with.
B
B
I
think
the
challenge
I
have
is
that
I
don't
know
exactly
what
what's
going
to
end
up
out
of
this,
and
people
have
a
right
to
due
process
and
they
have
there's
a
request
before
us.
My
recommendation
is
that
the
commission
review
this
under
the
code.
That's
on
the
books
now
I
know
that
this
can
be
challenging
in
the
sense
that
we're
always
you
know
if
something
is
being
looked
at,
but
we're
always
looking
at
something.
B
So
if
we're
always
pushing
stuff
off
there's
you
know
I
have
a
long
list
of
of
things
that
we're
evaluating
including
site
plan
triggers
and
on
the
utility
work
and
accessory
dwelling
units
and
all
these
different
items
that
were
you
know,
we're
going
to
continue
to
be
looking
at
him.
So
there's
always
you
know.
Where
do
you
draw
the
line,
and
so,
as
staff
we'd
recommended,
you
know
approval
and
we're
processing
these
as
they
come
forward
I'll
leave
it.
B
You
know
the
commission,
you
guys
are,
you
know
we're
just
making
a
recommendation,
you
guys
are
making
a
decision,
and
you
know
the
applicant
does
have
the
ability
to
appeal
if
they
wanted
to
to
city
council.
They
didn't
want
to
wait.
So
there
is
a
relief
valve
if
that's
a
problem
for
them,
but
as
staff
we're
suggesting
you
just
we
move
forward
and
go
from
there.
D
And
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
not
saying
we
don't
move
forward.
I
think
the
landscaping
that's
being
proposed
here
is
awesome.
The
fencing
looks
awesome.
I
mean
I
think,
that
adding
the
islands
makes
a
ton
of
sense,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
something
that's
coming
down
the
pipe.
We
have
proposals.
D
We
know
that
every
time
we
wave
we're
starting
a
precedent
where
we're
actually
minimizing
the
effect
of
that
ordinance
if
we're
going
to
be
treating
everyone
equitably
and
if
we
need
time,
let's
take
time
so,
let's
take
a
year
and
let's
come
back
then,
and
if
this
does
build
up
to
become
an
issue
we'll
probably
get
solved
sooner.
If
city
council
knows
it's
an
issue.
K
If
I
might
interject,
thank
you,
commissioner
draper
for
the
very
eloquent
comments
and
request
for
a
friendly
amendment.
We
at
this
point
then
procedurally
would
have
the
person
to
make
the
motion
determine
whether
they
wish
to
accept
that
friendly
amendment
or
reject
it,
and
if
it
is
rejected,
then
you
will
vote
up
or
down
on
the
straight
motion,
which
was
to
move
staff.
C
C
D
A
A
D
H
That's
basically
the
reason
why
I
was
bringing
that
up
is
last
time.
We
said
three
years
for
that
sidewalk,
which
we
didn't
we
weren't
in
form
of
the
cost
of
the
sidewalk,
whereas
in
this
situation
we
do
have
a
figure
in
front
of
us
at
200,
000
plus
I
mean
I
want
to
be
a
little
fair.
I
know
the
owner
is
not
here
to
to
share
his
perspective
either.
So
if
you
take
another
friendly
amendment
to
your
amendment,
perhaps
considering
two
years.
D
I'm
fine
with
either.
I
just
think
we
shouldn't
be
deciding
this.
If
the
mo.
If
it's
in
process,
we
should
make
sure
that
if
we
have
more
equitable
way
to
do
it,
so
what
we'd
be
saying,
I
guess
you'd
be
friendly,
recommending
a
change
that
would
friendly
a
change
to
the
second
part
being
defer
the
required
undergrounding
of
the
utility
service
lines
for
three
years
and
as
a
legal
point
of
order.
D
My
understanding
is
that
if
this
thing
sells
or
something
else
that
triggers
something
else,
if
there's
some
other
reason
that
triggers
now
we're
back
to
sort
of
essentially
be
looking
at
it
again.
This
is
only
if
nothing
happens.
Nothing
changes
on
the
site
within
three
years.
We're
gonna,
have
to
come
back
and
evaluate
this
again.
Is
that
right.
B
A
E
All
right,
you
said,
item
six
yeah,
okay,
item
number:
six
is
the
request
from
kraus
plus
for
the
property
in
the
vicinity
of
555
17th
street.
It's
in
the
former
crescent
chevrolet
building,
where
the
big
grove
brewery
is
looking
to
go
into
the
eastern
portion
of
the
building.
The
site's
been
on
the
commission's
agenda
a
couple
times
in
the
past
once
for
street
and
alley
vacation
and
another
time
for
rezoning
to
an
mx2
district.
E
The
request
tonight
is
twofold.
The
first
part
is
to
replat
the
multiple
parcels
into
a
single
1.77
acre
lot
and
then
the
second
is
to
approve
a
public
hearing
site
plan
and
the
type
2
design
alternative,
that's
required
is
to
allow
a
parking
lot
to
be
within
a
front
yard
area
and
that
front
yard
area
would
be
along
the
north
property
line,
a
budding
high
street.
So
the
subject
property,
like
I
said,
was
recently
rezoned
to
mx2
district.
E
The
plat
really
just
covers
the
western
main
portion
of
the
property
I'll
get
to
that
here
quickly.
So
you
can
see
the
plot
up
here.
It
shows
how
the
property
lines
would
be
laid
out.
I
believe
there's
a
property
line
in
this
general
vicinity
right
here.
So
then,
this
narrow
triangular
area
to
the
east
would
be
an
outlet,
and
this
shows
a
better.
This
is
the
right
of
way,
that's
being
assembled
with
that
property
to
the
west.
E
E
Since
this
property's
owned
mx2,
it's
not
allowed
to
have
off-street
parking
within
the
front
yard
area
and
in
this
situation,
since
there's
essentially
public
streets
on
three
sides,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
put
off
street
parking
anywhere
on
the
lot,
that's
not
within
the
front
yard
area.
So
the
type
2
design
alternative
is
to
allow
this
parking
here
to
be
expanded
within
the
area.
That's
between
the
building
and
high
street.
E
So
and
then
this
is
that
site
plan
you
can
see
the
crescent
chevrolet
building
would
be
divided
into
several
tenants.
The
big
grove
brewery
would
be
located
on
the
eastern
end.
They
would
have
a
substantial
patio
along
the
southeast
corner
of
the
site
and
then
here
at
the
north.
This
shows
the
off
street
parking
area
that
white
building.
I
showed
you
in
the
photo
is
in
this
general
area
right
here.
E
D
M
Thank
you,
nate
easter,
1459,
grand
avenue
here
in
des
moines,
I'm
here
to
answer
questions
I
want
to
thank
staff
and
for
all
their
time
on
this
project.
We're
really
excited
for
this
project
to
happen,
as
staff
mentioned,
you've
seen
this
a
couple
times
before
in
different
forms,
so
we're
really
excited
to
get
get
this
project
going.
We
think
it's
really
great
for
this
area
to
get
going
so
here
to
answer
any
questions.
A
A
N
Ninen
for
1520
high
street
50309,
we
had
questions
about
when
we
got
the
grid
about
the
16th
street
access.
If
that
is
going
to
be
taken
away,
the
the
part
between
high
street
and
linden
street
and
if
this
plan
also
encompasses
taking
away
all
access
from
linden
street
part
of
our
issue
with
it,
is
that
we
have
a
shared
easement
where
utilities
and
trucks
come
in
to
take
our
dumpsters
etc.
N
N
So
this
street
right
here
allows
this
alley
access
here
to
where
all
of
our
utilities
and
our
dumpsters
are
so.
This
street
is
now
gone
and
the
fronted
street
here
it
only
leaves
access
for
the
utilities,
the
services
and
for
our
business
to
come
up
from
15th
street
and
use
high
street
or
from
this
other
access
point
from
high
street.
It
closes
off
these
three
other
access
points.
N
Yes,
it
is,
and
that's
part
of
the
concern
is
that
there's
a
phase
two
that
we
were
given
as
part
of
this
project
that
shows
that
a
five-story
hotel
is
being
proposed
for
the
lock.
That's
right.
This
is
my
small
business
right
here,
and
this
proposed
lot
is
supposedly
going
to
be
a
125
unit,
five
story
hotel,
which
is
going
to
come
across
the
easement
there
and
close
off
the
easement
access
over
here
as
well.
N
So
then,
I
will
be
left
with
no
access
to
the
backlot
of
our
building
and
our
drive
that
runs
along
the
eastern
edge
of
our
building
is
only
large
enough
for
a
car.
The
trucks
cannot
fit
back
there
to
get
our
garbage
there's
nowhere
to
move
it
out
front.
Nowhere
to
the
side.
It's
a
very
narrow,
long
lot.
O
B
I
the
reason
I
know
that
is
because
it
came
up
when
we
considered
the
vacation
of
linden
street
and
16th
street
the
we
didn't
hear
from
this
applicant.
But
we
are
this
neighbor,
but
we
heard
from
their
the
other
neighbor
and
looked
into
that.
So
you
might
already
have
some
easement
rights
to
use.
What
was
a
former
alley.
B
B
E
D
B
B
When
we
had
the
vacations.
I
think
it
was
maybe
this
summer
or
spring,
I'm
not
sure.
I
think
we're
we
weren't
quite
meeting
in
person
yet,
but
you
know
we
had
kind
of
the
broader
discussion
about
or
we
had
similar
concerns
from
the
neighbor,
and
I
I
just
you
know
that
those
alleys
were
vacated
a
long
time
ago,
but
I
you
might
actually
have
that
an
access
easement
that
was
recorded
as
part
of
that.
B
So
you
always
have
that
right
unless
you
relinquish
that
easement
and
I
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
what
we
put
in
the
recommendation
for
the
vacation
the
right
of
way,
but
I
was
pretty
sure
we
left
had
language
in
there
that
there
needed
to
be.
You
know
continued.
You
know
like
that
access
needed
to
be
continued
to
be
provided
for
those
that
easement.
We
can
look
into
that,
but.
M
Thank
you
we're
leaving
that
16th
street
access.
I
think
one
of
the
requirements
is
that
we
provide
an
easement
for
access
to
that
alley,
so
we're
totally
in
support
keeping
16th
street
open,
we'll
maintain
it
we're
we're
good
with
we're
good
with
doing
that.
So
we
fully
expect
that
as
part
of
this
project.
B
Like
I
don't
know
if
the
land
sale
is
actually
taking
place,
but
that
would
be
an
easement
that'd
be
recorded
when
the
former
right-of-way
is
sold
really
what's
before
the
the
commission
tonight
is,
you
know
just
the
the
the
waiver
of
you
know
the
the
fact
that
there's
a
parking
lot
along
high
street
and
we're
in
the
downtown
and
then
the
platte,
which
I
don't
think
I
know,
can
you
go
back
to
burt
to
the
plating
sheet?
Is
that.
E
E
E
The
zoning
enforcement
officers
determined
that
that
use
is
considered
a
production
and
fabrication
use
which
requires
the
m3
zoning
district,
so
they
are
requesting
an
m3
district
tonight
and
that
would
include
this
property
or
the
parcel.
That's
already
zoned
p2,
and
then
these
two
parcels
here
at
the
southwest
that
are
zoned
n5
and
the
n5
area
would
be
used
to
expand
the
off
street
parking
lot.
E
E
View
from
I
guess,
pictometry
the
subject:
property
building
is
right
here
it
would
be
converted
to
the
restaurant
and
meal
assembly
use.
Then
this
existing
off
street
parking
lot
to
the
south
of
the
building
would
be
expanded
onto
this
area
right
here
along
33rd
street.
So
you
can
see,
there's
one
house
here
in
one
vacant
lot
that
existing
house
would
be
removed
and
then
the
off-street
parking
would
be
expanded
into
that
area.
E
E
We
believe
that
if
they're
going
to
be
expanding
the
use
here,
we
should
be
sure
to
protect
the
residential
neighborhood
to
the
south,
so
we've
recommended
the
condition
that
they
not
have
a
drive
approach
from
33rd
street
they're
complying
with
that.
We
also
recommended
that
they
add
a
sidewalk
here
along
the
east
side
of
33rd
street.
E
There's
not
currently
a
sidewalk
there.
Nor
is
there
a
sidewalk
to
the
south
of
here
in
front
of
the
three
houses
immediately
to
the
south,
but
there
is
a
public
sidewalk
along
the
entire
west
side
of
33rd
street,
but
staff
has
recommended
the
condition
to
require
a
sidewalk
be
installed
in
this
area
at
this
time.
Since
you
know
it's
our
goal
to
get
sidewalks
piecemealed
into
the
city
along
all
public
streets,
as
we
can
then.
F
E
We
did
get
a
letter
from
several
of
the
neighbors
and
I'll
come
back
to
this
as
long
as
I'll
put
it
up
on
the
screen
last,
but
they
do
make
some
requests.
I
also
have
a
letter
here
from
the
drake
neighborhood
association,
that's
in
support
of
the
project
and
then
here's
the
consent
map
we've
got
about.
Eight
cards
most
were
in
support.
One
part
here
in
opposition,
but
I'll
show
these
to
you
now
a
couple
in
support.
E
E
And
this
concern
was
about
truck
traffic
coming
onto
33rd,
but
if
you
guys
implement
our
condition
to
not
have
a
driveway
on
the
33rd
street,
then
that
should
be
mitigated
and
then
these
next
three
exhibits
were
from
a
neighbor
to
the
south,
who
will
be
using
those
in
his
presentation
tonight.
Any
questions
for
me.
C
B
Make
their
case
but
and
just
to
clarify
for
the
commission
if
it's
a
zoning
condition,
then
there's
no
opportunity
for
that
to
be
waived
during
the
site
plan
process,
but
even
if
there
wasn't
a
zoning
condition,
it'd
still
be
a
requirement
of
the
site
plan.
It's
just
that
they
would
have
the
ability
to
seek
a
waiver.
We
thought
it
should
be
a
zoning
condition
just
to
get
it
out.
You
know
it's
seemed
like
an
appropriate
thing
to
do
at
this
time.
Just
make
sure
you
know
that
decisions
already
been
made.
That
was
our
thinking.
F
E
What
the
applicant
submitted
that
shows
where
the
city
requested
the
sidewalk
and
north
is
up
on
this.
So
we
requested
the
sidewalk
along
11,
17
and
11
19
33rd
street,
and
then
this
is
pointing
out
the
existing
sidewalk
along
the
west
side
of
33rd
and
then
the
fact
that
there's
not
any
other
sidewalk
along
the
east
side
of
33rd.
Even
those
staffs
recommending
the
sidewalk
be
added
here
along
its
subject.
Property.
D
B
Well,
I
think
at
the
last
meeting
we
were
you
know
with
for
the
utility
we
have
the
the
burial,
the
utilities
there's
the
reasonably
practical
standard,
that's
in
the
code
and
then
what
she
in
the
commission
was
discussing.
You
know,
should
we
think
about
reasonably
practical
and
costs
like
we
do,
and
what
glenda
was
pointing
out
to
the
commission
is
that
it's
just
a
hard
standard,
there's
no
like
reasonably
practical
language
in
the
code.
So
it's
just
it's
a
hard
standard,
you're
expected
to
do
it
unless
it's
waived.
H
I
know
this
is
the
rezoning
stage.
So
definitely
a
closer
look
will
happen
once
the
site
plan
is
submitted
right,
but
the
engineering
happened
to
mention
anything.
It
looks
like
a
lot.
More
impervious
area
is
being
added
on
site
and
not
the
open
space
that
may
be
needed
to
for
stormwater
purposes
or
whatnot.
E
Yeah,
that's
a
very
good
question.
I
personally
didn't
check
with
our
engineering
staff
to
see
if
they
think
this
layout
here
would
meet
our
stormwater
requirements.
But
perhaps
the
applicant
will
have
an
idea
on
that,
but
you
do
make
a
good
point
that
it
other
than
this
30-foot
paving
art
set
back
here
and
then
this
landscaped
area
here
along
33rd
street.
B
They'd
be
expected
to
provide
stormwater
management.
You
know
comply
with
those
regulations
that
engineering
manages
so
it
could.
It
could
be
that
once
it
got
into
site
plan
stage,
you
know,
maybe
the
parking
lot
has
to
be
smaller
to
account
for
a
basin
or
maybe
they're
going
to
do
underground,
but
you
know
maybe
the
applicant
might
have
some
insight.
D
E
The
requirement
would
be
the
minimum,
obviously,
but
I
believe
I
haven't
done
the
full
analysis,
but
I
would
guess
that
they
would
at
least
have
the
minimum.
I
believe
what
they're
proposing
is
the
desired
need
for
the
use,
since
the
meals
on
wheels
use.
The
applicant
can
explain
it
better
than
me,
but
they
do
have
quite
a
few
delivery
cars
that
would
be
parked
on
site
in
addition
to
employee
parking
and
things
like
that,
so
it
probably
is
more
parking
than
what
would
otherwise
be
required.
P
Good
evening,
I'm
shannon
dreyer
representing
wesley
life
and
dan
will
speak
from
slingshot
architecture,
so
I'd
like
to
spend
a
little
time
just
sharing
with
you
about
the
mission
and
the
purpose
of
the
building
and
can
speak
to
some
of
the
questions,
and
then
dan
will
have
more
of
the
details
as
well.
So
wesley
life
is
a
nearly
75
year
old
nonprofit.
In
des
moines
serving
older
adults,
we
have
been
operating
the
meals
on
wheels
program
since
2006.
P
We
offer
regular
safety
checks
on
those
individuals,
in
addition
to
the
hot
meals,
so
that
has
led
to
life-saving
interventions-
and
I
just
heard
about
one
today
where
there
was
a
gas
leak
and
the
driver
smelled
it.
The
client
did
not
so
it's
a
life
saving
program
and
we
have
been
looking
for
a
new
location
for
a
number
of
years,
because
the
building
that
we
are
in
now
is
small
and
aging,
and
the
kitchen
can't
keep
up
with
the
capacity
and
need
as
food
insecurity
grows
throughout
our
community.
P
P
It's
going
to
allow
us
to
bring
generations
together.
So
the
cafe,
I
believe,
was
mentioned
by
bert,
so
on
the
north
end
of
the
building
would
be
a
public
cafe
and
then
the
rest.
Mostly.
The
rest
of
the
main
floor,
then,
is
that
commercial
kitchen
for
the
meals
on
wheels
operations
and
there
would
be
some
space
on
the
second
floor
for
events
that
would
bring
generations
together.
P
So
we
hope
to
be
a
hub
for
that
for
old
and
young
to
gather,
especially
with
the
connections
with
drake
university
adjacent
and
we're
looking
forward
to
bringing
a
nice
dining
venue
to
the
community
as
well
and
just
being
that
neighborhood
hub.
So
just
a
little
bit
about
our
activities.
To
date,
we
have
held
four
community
meetings
in
this
neighborhood
on
august
30th.
We
met
outdoors
just
in
the
back
of
the
building
there
and
presented
the
first
concepts
to
neighbors.
P
We
attended
the
drake
neighborhood
association
meeting
on
september
9th
met
individually
with
the
33rd
street
neighbors
on
the
21st.
We
had
good
weather
for
all
these.
We
were
outside
in
that
lot
meeting
with
the
neighbors
and
then
october
11th.
We
held
the
required
meeting
through,
what's
required,
of
pnz
the
required
neighborhood
meeting.
P
So
we
have
collected
a
lot
of
good
feedback,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
neighbors.
Many
of
them
are
here
tonight,
jim
and
laura
stephanie
deanna.
Thank
you
for
your
input
we
have
had.
I
don't
know
how
many
iterations
you
guys
get
to
do
the
drawings,
and
so
I
think
we've
come
to
a
lot
of
really
strong
and
successful
agreement.
They
have
helped
us
improve
our
plan
and
their
input
has
been
critical.
P
P
Q
Q
That
condition
you
can
see
the
truck
movements
overlaid
on
this
site
plan
so
from
the
driveway
on
university,
which
will
be
our
ingress
and
our
outreach
here
for
both
cars
throughout
the
day
and
these
deliveries.
So
a
truck
will
basically
come
around
and
back
in
for
delivery
and
and
then
need
to
turn
in
our
parking
lot
and
go
out.
Q
Q
There
is,
and
we
would
ask
your
consideration
to
suggest
an
amendment
or
a
another
condition
here
that
would
allow
for
the
the
islands,
as
shown
the
planting
islands,
as
shown
in
this
plan
that
would
allow
for
that.
It
would
be
great
to
again
cover
that
now
as
well,
that
this
would
be
adopted
as
the
intent
for
that.
So
that's
a
request
on
our
part,
but
to
continue
explaining
how
this
works.
So
that's
the
truck
mule's
on
wheels
cars.
Q
Q
Q
Q
That's
one
thought.
The
other
thought
is
that
we
are
the
big
discussion
again
about
cut
through
and
about
access.
Is
that
the
priority
on
our
side
to
address
the
neighborhood
concerns
is
to
provide
a
place
where
people
can
walk
from
the
neighborhood
and
get
into
our
site
and
come
to
the
patio,
but
not
doing,
but
to
make
that
clear
and
to
make
that
not
something
that
would
encourage
people
to
walk
through
the
neighboring
residential
parcels.
Q
So
at
a
minimum
we
ask
that
it
not
be
a
condition
here
and
still
be
studied
and
for
those
reasons,
the
bird
shared
as
well
right
that
we
that
we
have
in
our
the
other
side
of
our
packet.
Here
we
did
do
this
markup
showing
this
is
where
it's
being
requested,
there's
a
complete
sidewalk
on
the
other
side
of
the
street.
Q
So
I
know
we're
getting
close
on
time
here.
That's
the
really
important
thing
about
two
on
number:
three
we're
in
agreement.
Here
we
sat
in
this
space
with
the
neighbors.
We
saw
how
important
it
was
to
not
shine
headlights
into
the
1
1
5,
11,
15
home
this
buffer
is
acceptable.
We've
also
gone
out
and
now
measured
the
distance
from
curve.
P
To
say
that
I
currently
have
21
vehicles
in
our
meals
on
wheels
fleet,
so
those
all
come
with
individuals
who
come
and
park
and
then
take
that
vehicle
and
with
the
growth
we're
projecting
in
meals.
We
think
that
could
be
anywhere
from
like
10
to
15
more
vehicles
and
then,
of
course,
there's
requirements
based
on
the
restaurant
and
the
assembly
space.
On
the
second
floor,
great,
do
you
want
to
say
anything
about
stormwater.
Q
A
R
Hi
stephanie
brennan
3127
cottage
grove,
so
I
am
right.
Oh
of
course
that's
not
working
for
me
right
here,
I'm
here
twofold
as
an
affected
neighbor
and
as
the
representative
for
the
board
for
drake
neighborhood
association.
We
wholeheartedly
support
this
project
when
we
bought
this
our
house
a
couple
years
ago.
R
It
was
always
kind
of
this
like
oh,
what
could
that
be
because
the
building
has
been
empty
for
so
long
and
there's
been,
you
know
a
couple
of
times
where
people
have
come
to
maybe
do
something
with
it
and
ask
for
zoning
requests,
but
wesley
life's
been
completely
different.
They've
been
super
open,
communicative,
totally
transparent.
R
From
that
first
meeting,
when
I
had
a
couple
concerns
regarding
the
parking
lot,
it
was,
you
know
an
immediate
like
okay,
let's
modify
that,
let's
modify
that
so
they've
just
been
really
really
wonderful.
I
think
the
project
itself
is
super
important
for
our
neighborhood.
It's
also
great,
for
you
know
my
kids
there's
a
little
cafe
there,
my
kids
love
playing
in
that
parking
lot.
So
I
like
seeing
that
the
parking
lot's
still
there
and
even
better
with
landscaping
and
the
board,
also
agrees.
R
We've
been
super
happy
with
the
entire
process.
They've
been
really
really
open
to
any
negative
comments
that
have
come
in
and
have
addressed
those
wholeheartedly,
even
some
of
the
postcards
that
I've
seen
that
were
no's.
Those
were
people
that
were
at
the
first
meeting,
they
weren't
necessarily
at
the
second
meeting
and
have
seen
these
updated
plans.
So
I
am
super
excited
about
the
project
and
super
happy
with
it,
and
I
hope
you
approve
it
all.
Thanks.
S
S
The
stretch
of
33rd
street,
on
which
we
live,
is
much
narrower
than
a
typical
street
in
des
moines.
If
you
were
to
review
the
parking
lot
from
our
front
yards,
you
would
see
the
intrusion
it
makes
into
our
neighborhood
when
we
all
purchased
our
homes.
It
was
with
the
belief
we
would
be
surrounded
by
neighbors
and
there
would
be
sufficient
buffer
between
the
existing
parking
lots.
S
S
S
Thank
you
is
the
intersection
of
33rd
and
cottage
grove,
and
it's
it's
near.
It's
a
tight
space
when
you're
trying
to
turn
on
a
33rd
when
there's
a
vehicle
at
the
intersection,
especially
when
you're
going
east
and
you're
trying
to
make
a
left-hand
turn.
You
basically
have
to
wait
for
the
car
on
33rd
street
to
clear
the
intersection,
so
that
then
you
can
make
your
left
hand
turn.
S
Our
support
comes
with
full
expectations
of
wesley
life,
living
up
to
the
plans
laid
out
and
promises
made
at
our
october
11th
neighborhood
meeting,
advocating
to
the
city
for
the
use
of
a
berm
with
tree
shrubs
and
ornamental
grasses.
Instead
of
fencing
on
the
sides
of
the
lot
facing
33rd
and
north
of
11
15..
S
S
If
possible
involve
the
neighbors
on
33rd
street
in
selecting
plantings
around
the
berm
and
ensuring
adequate
drainage,
since,
as
somebody
pointed
out,
there's
going
to
be
more
concrete
and
less
permeable
soil
and
the
use
of
dark
sky
lighting
to
reduce
the
glare
and
recent
residents.
Thank
you
for
opportunity
to
share
concerns.
Okay,.
A
T
Hi,
my
name
is
laura
amsler.
I
live
at
1118
33rd
street
with
jim.
We
just
wanted
to
support
wesley
life's
proposal
to
not
require
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
along
11
17
and
11
19..
That
is
a
very
short
area.
It's
a
very
short
block
anyway,
but
it's
a
very
short
area
and
to
have
this
piece
of
concrete,
just
kind
of
dropped
into
green
space
that
we're
trying
to
keep
green
space.
So
it
add
more
concrete.
T
I
don't
know
the
address
of
the
house
on
the
corner,
because
the
address
is
on
cottage
group,
but
they
have
a
fence
along
their
side
of
33rd
street
and
they
would
have
to
not
have
a
fence
or
move
it
so
yeah
we
just
would
support
wesley
life
and
not
in
asking
to
not
require
that
sidewalk.
We
do
support
walkability,
I
like
sidewalks,
and
we
do
have
that
sidewalk
right
on
our
side
of
the
street.
That
allows
a
place
for
people
to
walk.
Thank.
G
G
It
does
talk
about
a
drive-through
lane
in
item
number
two,
the
last
paragraph,
which
I
would
have
a
concern
about
it's
hard
for
me
to
see
that
so
I
don't
know
where
that's
going
to
be,
but
I
don't
know
if
you're
looking
for
another
curb
cut
or
if
you're
really
going
to
have
people
go
through
that
very
narrow,
where
the
red
arrows
are,
I
think,
encouraging
more
traffic
through.
There
is
probably
not
a
good
idea,
especially
because
university.
G
Well,
not
right
at
that
point,
but
soon
in
in
the
city's
future
are
going
to
have
dedicated
bike
lanes,
and
that
is
a
biking
area
just
east
of
there,
where
there
are
dedicated
bike
lanes,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
people
walking
and
drake.
So
I
think
that
encouraging
more
driving,
especially
into
a
new
restaurant,
is
not
a
good
idea
and
it
didn't
mention
that
it
was
meals
on
wheels.
G
At
least
I
didn't
see
that
I'm
not
sure
how
I
missed
it,
but
I,
I
guess,
there's
70
parking
spots
now
in
the
lot
and-
and
it
looks
like
you're
going
to
add-
maybe
30
more
so
it
seems
like
an
awful
lot
of
parking
for
people
that
are,
you
know,
coming
and
going
I
mean
staying
taking
a
car
when
they
take
a
car
out
and
they
leave
a
car.
That's
a
net.
You
know
same
car
and
I
don't
see
on
there
it's
hard
for
me
to
see
it.
G
G
I
guess
that's
and
it
didn't
indicate
in
the
write-up
they
were
tearing
down
the
house,
so
I
found
out
tonight
that
they're
tearing
down
the
house,
so
it's
a
little
too
bad.
Maybe
we
could
move
the
house
but
yeah
I
would.
I
would
hope
that
we
would
be
a
little
more
mindful
on
less
cars
and
more
neighborhood
adherence
to
the
walking
and
biking
that's
going
on
there
today.
P
Just
to
address
a
couple
of
the
questions
from
carol,
there
is
bike
parking.
We
do
want
to
make
sure
this
is
a
very
walkable
and
bikeable
location,
because
we
know
people
will
be
coming
from
the
neighborhood,
so
it
is
small,
so
I
can
see
where
you
wouldn't
see
it,
but
there
would
be
bike
parking
along
university.
P
P
Q
Where
those
people
are
standing
is
like
a
whole
line
of
bike,
racks
is
the
idea
right
next
to
the
patio
and
then
that's
basically
a
landscape.
Sorry,
so
the
the
right
next
to
the
patio
where
those
people
are
envisioned
are
standing
there.
That's
a
landscape
area
with
bike
parking,
so
several
racks
not
not
to
a
quantity
today
but
it'll,
be
part
of
the
site
plan
submission,
but
really
all
that
we
can
fit
is
our
intent.
So
we
definitely
want
it.
Q
Our
you're,
also
seeing
since
we're
talking
about
pedestrian
activity
you're,
seeing
that
the
existing
front
door
is
elevated
above
the
streetscape,
so
we're
planning
for
and
solving
an
accessible
route
from
the
sidewalk
as
well
and
trying
to
provide
a
drop
off
carving
a
drop
off
just
next
to
the
front
door.
If
we
go
to
the
side
plane,
real,
quick,
just
any
version
of
it
would
be
fine.
Q
There
you
go
so
you
can
see
that
drop
off.
So
that's
just
carving
away
at
current
kind
of
landscape
and
whatnot
against
the
building,
because
we
want
to
be
able
to
have
people
of
all
ages
and
inclement
weather
and
stuff
still
be
dropped
off.
So
it's
a
tricky
site.
Slight
circulation
is
a
little
odd
having
to
go
through
a
narrow
drive,
but
that's
what
exists.
We
think
we
can
make
it
work.
Q
Varies
or
offsets
through
the
day
in
that
the
delivery
for
meals
on
wheels
or
the
delivery
for
the
truck
or
the
restaurant
timing
being
open
are
all
offset
throughout
the
day.
So
it's
we
think
we're
doing
a
pretty
good
job
of
stacking.
The
program
that
way
the
drive-through,
I
believe,
that's
being
referenced,
is
the
meals
on
wheels
blue
arrow
setup.
So
at
one
point
in
this
building's
life
it
was
a
bank
and
that
was
a
bank
teller
window,
so
we're
going
to
bring
that
back
to
life
for
the
loading
zone.
Q
So
we
have
a
covered
loading
zone
for
the
food,
so
we
think
it's
pretty
good
setup.
There
won't
be
a
drive
through
you
know
visible
from
the
street
and
there
won't
be
like
drive-through
traffic
coming
through
the
site
for
for
like
meal
pickup
or
anything,
it's
just
for
the
meals
on
wheels
program
and
we
load
or
sorry
you
load
all
that
I'm
totally
bought
in
you
can
volunteer
tomorrow.
That's
right
I'll,
be
there
no
and
about
10
30.
P
The
last
thing
I
just
say
about
the
parking
because
carol
mentioned
the
70
spots
now,
a
lot
of
that
is
dictated
by
the
new
uses,
not
just
the
meals
on
wheels,
but
also
the
cafe
that
is
open
to
the
public.
So
there
needs
to
be
parking,
though
we
hope
people
walk
and
bike
and
the
second
floor
event
space.
So
if
there's
an
event,
we
need
to
make
sure
we're,
not
you
know,
pushing
people
out
to
park
on
the
street
because
there's
not
enough
adequate
parking.
D
P
I
think
we,
this
number
is
about
what
we
feel
we
need
and
aligns
with
what
we
believe
the
city
is
requiring
based
on
our
calculations
and,
like
I
said,
I
don't
think
we
want
to
be
in
a
position
where
you
try
to
come
to
something
and
there's
nowhere
to
park
and
you're
having
to
cross
a
busy
street.
So
this
is
the
number
we
would
like
to
have.
D
And
then,
along
the,
where
you
have
the
closure
on
the
southwest
yeah
southwest
sides,
the
bottom
of
the
well
west
southwest
side
of
this
is
that
is:
is
that
a
sidewalk?
So
someone
is
approaching
from
the
south
and
the
west
they'd
be
able
to
walk
or
bike
in
or
wheelchair
or
stroller,
but
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
drive
through.
Is
that
correct.
P
Yes,
so
this
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
on
your
monitor
what
I'm
doing,
but
you
mean
this
piece
correct.
Yes,
that
is
access
for
the
neighborhood
or
for
anyone.
So
we
did
hear
that
from
neighbors.
They
want
to
eliminate
a
lot
of
car
cut
through,
but
they
still
like
to
get
to
the
mailbox
which
we
found
there's
the
mailbox
on
university.
So
they
still
want
to
be
able
to
get
through
to
the
to
our
cafe
to
our
building,
but
then
also
to
the
other
services
on
university.
D
That's
what
for
for
this,
since
the
only
thing
that's
in
front
of
us
is
a
rezoning
piece
and
it's
not
the
plan
piece.
I
do
want
to
aggressively
support
a
change
in
zoning
or
ordinance
that
allows
us
to
expand
access
to
food,
reduce
food
insecurity
and
especially
one
that
actually
is
driven
on
neighborhood
connectivity,
I'm
also
a
drake.
You
know
drake
neighborhood
resident
as
well.
D
I
think
this
is
this
is
a
great
program,
especially
given
the
connectivity
and
things
that
drake
are
really
pushing
for
and,
as
we
do
start
to
see
more
needs
for
changing
what
we're
doing
for
ensuring
food
access.
Obviously,
I'm
sure
jason
is
lee.
We've
got
discussions
on
this
as
well
as
far
as
food
pantries
other
types
of
food
rescue
operations,
those
sort
of
things.
D
B
Yeah,
as
I've
sat
here
and
thought
about
this,
I
mean
the
sidewalk
thing
is
typically
something
we
handle
through
the
site
plan
process
and
we
do
have.
We
did
amendments
to
the
code
where
we
kind
of
prioritize
sidewalks
based
off
of
move
dsm,
the
city's
transportation
plan.
We
have
priority
one
two
and
three,
where
priority
one
routes,
their
staff
has
the
ability
to
waive
them.
B
If
somebody
wants
to
pay
into
an
escrow
in
advance
priority
two
and
three
those
have
to
come
to
the
commission
for
waiver,
but
you
know
typically
those
are
routes,
they're,
less
likely
to
be
constructed
the
near
future.
I
couldn't
tell
you
what
this
priority
level
is
for
here.
I
think,
as
staff.
We
just
thought
that
you
know
it
made
sense
to
identify
that
as
an
issue.
B
In
retrospect,
I
think
that
is
probably
really
a
conversation
to
have
at
the
site
plan
stage,
because
even
if
we
waive
it
even
if
even
without
the,
if
you
guys
say,
hey
we're
going
to
strike
that
as
a
zoning
condition,
it's
still
going
to
be
noted
in
our
review
and
if
they
want
to
appeal
it,
you
know.
They'll
still
have
to
go
through
those
processes.
B
B
H
Based
on
that
feedback,
as
jason
mentioned,
that
this
is
an
item
that
the
site
plan
will
likely
review,
I
would
be
willing
to
make
a
motion
based
on
the
consultant's
feedback,
that
they
will
analyze
the
situation
and
also
the
light
poles
that
are
existing
there.
So
I'm
not
sure
how
the
sci
plan
will
you
know
talking
about
undergrounding
and
a
lot
of
that.
H
H
A
E
G
O
Sure,
thank
you
very
much.
As
bert
mentioned,
my
name
is
sriyoshi
chakraborty
and
I'm
a
planner.
I
graduated
from
the
university
of
iowa
in
2006
and
have
been
working
as
a
planner
since
then.
Most
recently,
I
work
for
the
des
moines
area,
metropolitan
planning
organization,
where
I
was
doing
a
lot
of
land
use
and
transportation
planning
work
and
I'm
very
excited
to
be
part
of
the
city
of
des
moines
planning
team.
Thank
you
good
to
meet.
You
all
welcome.
E
L
B
B
L
D
B
Yeah,
I
don't
believe
we're
going
to
be
doing
zoom
in
the
near
future.
I
mean
not
the
planning
staff,
I
mean,
I
I
think
probably
someday
we,
you
know,
but
a
phone
call
right.
We've
traditionally
done
phone
calls,
but
that's
probably
happened,
but
we
have
to
have
quorum
present.
You
know
yeah
right
right,
but
yeah.