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From YouTube: 9-22-21 Zoning Board of Adjustment
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Des Moines Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting on Wednesday, September 22, 2021.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/ZBOAatHome
A
Time
you're
in
front
of
us,
you
may
hope
it's
the
only
time
you're
in
front
of
us,
but
I'll
give
you
the
background
here
and
then
we
will
take
everybody
through
this
step
by
step.
So
don't
worry,
we
will
help
you
through
this.
First
and
foremost,
the
board
of
adjustment
is
a
quasi-legal
board.
This
hearing
will
be
conducted
within
the
procedures
and
format
as
authorized
by
iowa
law
and
this
city's
ordinances.
A
A
A
A
Rather,
they
will
be
considered
for
approval
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
and
the
staff
report,
unless
the
appellate
does
not
agree
to
the
conditions
that
have
been
presented
and
recommended
by
staff
or,
if
there's
an
individual
in
this
audience
or
a
board
member
that
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda,
so
that
a
full
discussion
of
the
matter
can
occur
and
I'll
come
back
to
the
consent
agenda.
Here
in
just
a
few
minutes
and
again
we'll
take
you
through
each
step
for
our
regular
agenda.
A
After
an
item
is
announced,
city
staff
will
first
give
a
brief
overview
of
the
appeal
and
present
any
written
comments
that
have
been
received
prior
to
the
hearing.
The
applicant
or
their
representative
will
then
be
allowed
up
to
10
minutes
to
present
their
reasoning
for
their
appeal
after
the
applicant
has
made
their
presentation.
We
will
move
to
the
public
comment
portion
of
the
hearing
for
that
agenda
item.
A
A
A
After
all,
input
has
been
provided.
The
board
chair
will
then
close.
Any
further
public
comment
on
that
agenda
item
and
the
board
will
immediately
deliberate
the
request
and
we
will
make
a
decision
on
the
appeal
here
today.
Please
note
that
it
takes
at
least
four
affirmative
votes
for
any
zoning
appeal
to
gain
approval.
A
Your
appeal
is
approved
today
we
ask
that
you
wait
until
at
least
one
week
from
today's
hearing
to
contact
the
city's
permit
and
development
center
if
you
would
need
to
obtain
any
necessary
building
or
sign
permits.
As
related
to
your
appeal,
this
will
allow
the
decision
of
this
board
to
be
documented
in
the
form
of
the
decision
and
order,
which
will
then
be
provided
to
you
and
city
staff
for
the
record
of
these
proceedings.
A
A
A
All
material,
written
or
otherwise
used
today,
as
part
of
anyone's
presentation,
will
become
part
of
the
permanent
record.
So
if
you
have
anything,
you
want
to
present
that
you
haven't
already
provided
you'll
have
to
give
appropriate
copy
to
staff
and
if
you
need
a
copy
of
anything
presented
contact
city
staff
after
the
hearing.
A
There's
some
restrooms
just
past
the
staircase
on
the
left.
Once
the
agenda
item
you're
interested
in
has
been
completed,
you're
welcome
to
leave
the
meeting
or
you
can
stick
around
for
education
and
entertainment.
We'll
also
have
a
five
minute
break
in
the
hearing
around
three
or
three
thirty,
if
that's
needed.
A
A
Mr
dunn,
do
we
have
any
changes
to
the
agenda?
We
do
not
okay,
so
I'm
going
to
read
through
these
agenda
items.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
city
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
requested
exceptions
or
conditional
uses
related
to
these
items,
along
with
some
conditions
that
would
go
with
that
for
the
applicant.
So
if
there's
anybody
here,
that
would
not
want
to
see
these
approved,
I'm
going
to
read
through
them.
A
Quick,
just
raise
your
hand
if
you
don't
want
to
see
this
approved,
we'll
put
it
on
the
regular
portion
of
the
agenda
and
then
we'll
take
testimony
of
of
interest
or
concern.
So
the
first
item
on
our
consent
agenda
is
a
conditional
use,
permit
request
in
the
vicinity
of
2825
maori
street.
So
anybody
here
in
opposition
to
item
one,
if
so
just
raise
your
hand
and
anybody
from
the
board
with
any
objection.
Okay,
seeing
none
item,
two
is
a
type
two
zoning
exception
at
1107:
east
army
post
road
related
to
mesa
rich
at
southridge
mall.
A
Anybody
here
in
opposition
to
granting
approvals
for
item
two
all
right.
Seeing
none
item
three
is
a
zoning
exception
request
at
3221,
south
east
14th
street
anybody
here
that
would
have
an
objection
to
granting
the
requested
exception
for
item
three.
Just
raise
your
hand,
okay,
seeing
none.
Unless
the
board
has
further
discussion
or
any
concerns.
Would
there
be
a
motion
to
grant
approval
of
items
one
through
three.
B
A
A
C
A
Motion
carries
seven
zero,
so
if
you're
here
for
one
two
or
three
you'll
get
those
back
early
next
week
with
a
decision
and
order
that
outlines
both
the
approval
and
the
conditions
that
go
with
that,
and
if
you
have
any
questions
they're
after
you
can
contact
city
staff.
So
thank
you
for
coming
coming
in
today.
For
those
items
this
also
bring
them
bring
us
to
our
first
item
on
the
con
or
the
regular
agenda
item.
Four:
it's
a
zoning
exception
request
at
405
court
avenue.
D
Mr
chair
members
of
the
board,
catherine
draija's
planner
for
the
city
of
des
moines,
as
mentioned,
this
item
is
located
on
court
avenue
and
they
are
looking
for
a
couple
of
type
2
zoning
exceptions
for
their
requested
sign,
whoopsie.
Sorry,
there
we
go
for
the
proposed
signage,
so
a
little
hard
to
see,
but.
D
So
they
are
proposing
actually
three
signs.
One
of
them
in
the
center
meets
the
code
regulations,
so
they
are
okay
there,
where
they're.
Looking
for
those
exceptions,
would
be
the
window
sign
on
the
door
front
and
then
this
far
western
window
has
a
signage.
That
is
also
seeking
the
type
2
exception.
D
D
D
D
C
C
B
D
C
B
C
A
I'm
going
to
kick
off
with
a
couple
of
just
maybe
ask
some
foundational
things,
a
couple
things
that
came
to
mind
for
me
that
others
might
have
too.
So
when
I
think
of
no
more
than
25
percent
of
a
window,
I
see
there's
a
lot
of
window
frontage
there,
including
the
upper
set
of
windows,
but
it's
any
window
within
a
separate
pane
or
frame,
and
the
percentage
of
that.
It's
not
the
total
amount
of
open
space,
correct
that
is
used
and.
A
Yeah,
as
I
see
there's
those
like
upper
three,
I
I'm
not
sure
if
those
are
windows
or
just
gray
but
regardless
then
a
related
question.
When
we
talk
about
signs,
I
think
of
words
or
logos,
you
know
common
sense,
but
with
our
wavy
squiggly
lines
of
perhaps
insomnia
or
or
what
whatever
the
art
is
there
any
covering
is
considered
a
sign.
Then,
if
it's
on
the
window
is
that
correct.
A
E
C
E
Yeah,
I
did
too
yeah.
That's
fine,
that's
fine!
So
basically
I'm
here
for
representing
the
company
of
of
the
signage
here
and
so
basically
what
I'd
like
to
share
as
a
signed
person.
You
know
looking
at
more
of
a
beauty
of
a
little
bit
of
art
to
this
kind
of
not
boring
front,
but
something
to
bring
it
out
a
little
bit.
That's
beautifying
it
to
say
it's
court
avenue
and
putting
a
little
bit
of
design
in
it
with
the
waves
that
this.
E
A
Okay,
so
john
I've
got
a
degree
in
design
that
doesn't
mean
I'm
an
expert
on
anything.
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
is
there
any
reason
why,
as
a
professional
sign
contractor,
you
couldn't
put
your
design
concept
together,
make
it
pop,
but
also
understand
from
square
one,
let's
work
within
the
ordinance
itself,
why
is
that
not
possible.
A
What
I'm
basically
saying
is
is
just
like
you
know:
a
construction
contractor
understands
a
city
building
code,
so
they
design
and
build
their
building
to
meet
the
code
right.
The
sign
contractor.
It's
your
job
to
understand
the
city,
sign
ordinance,
advise
your
client
and
construct
your
signed
designs
within
the
city
ordinance.
Is
there
a
reason
why
you
were
not
able
to
do
that.
E
Well,
I
did
present
that
to
my
client,
okay
and
they
wanted
to
bring
it
to
the
table.
This
is
what
they
would
like
and,
to
be
honest
with
you,
I
think
they're
spending
more
money
with
me
being
here
today
with
what
this
cost
so
so.
Well,
obviously
they
must
really
want
it,
and
so
I
really
didn't
want
to
do
this,
because
that's
just
not
my
cup
of
tea
to
be
in
front
of
you
all
right
go
by
the
guidelines,
so
I've.
A
A
Okay,
all
right,
you
did
a
great
job.
Thank
you
thank
okay.
Now
the
way
this
works
here.
If
there's
anybody
in
the
audience
that
wishes
to
speak
in
support
of
the
applicant's
request,
they
can
have
up
to
five
minutes
to
add
their
comments.
It's
not
a
requirement,
but
anybody
wants
to
speak
in
support.
I've
got
up
to
five
minutes
all
right.
Seeing
none
is
there
anybody
that
wishes
to
speak
in
opposition
to
the
requested
exception.
Anybody
in
opposition
going
once
going
twice
any
further
comments
for
or
questions.
F
D
Understandable
we're
not
allowed
to
really
dictate
what
their
sign
would
end
up.
Looking
like,
we
are
just
able
to
provide
the
parameters
for
how
much
of
the
window
the
sign
can
be
over,
and
so
in
this
case
it
would
just
have
to
meet
that
37
and
a
half
percent
coverage
or
under.
If
you
were
to
approve
staff
recommendations.
F
D
C
A
B
A
Yeah
yeah,
that's
a
good
question
and,
as
burt
said,
they
they're
asking
to
cover
81
percent
of
the
window.
The
way
it
has
to
be
squared
out
within
the
code
and
so
staff
rec
would
then
be
to
the
37
and
a
half
percent
correct,
correct,
so
they'd
have
to
figure
out
what
they
want
to
make
smaller
or
larger.
If
that
would
be
the
decision,
the
board
makes
all
right
any
other
questions
for
staff.
E
A
E
A
E
That
is
correct,
because
if
you
look
at
my
mathematics
on
each
drawing
it
says
the
percentage
right
of
the
sign
right.
You
add
all
that
together
and
I'm
at
38
right
so
yeah.
It's
it's
how
you
dice
and
slice
it.
I
look
at
it
as
signage
allowed
and
you're
looking
at
a
percentage
per
window
allowed
right.
A
A
A
B
G
G
F
A
The
percentage
area-
that's
that's,
covered,
whether
there's
space
or
not.
It's
just
like
m-e-l
there's
space
between
the
letters
in
my
name.
Okay,
if
I
was
to
put
that
on
the
sign,
how
square
does
it
have
to
be
to
fit
all
the
letters
in
it?
I
understood
yeah,
that's
all
we
get
to
do,
and
we
aren't
here
as
well
to
help
help
them
design
how
their
sign
will
look.
It
would
be
if
we
give
them
the
percentage
they
go
back
to
the
drawing
board.
A
B
I
guess
I
think
they
haven't
really
made
a
case
for
like
giving
them
everything.
I
don't.
I
don't
see
how
they're
in
particularly
like
a
special
situation
that
would
go
outside
of
the
regular
regulations
of
the
city.
I
don't
didn't
hear
any
testimony
on
that
and
I
didn't
hear
any
description
of
that,
but
I'm
comfortable
with
what
staff
has
recommended.
It
seems
like
a
reasonable
compromise
and
they
can
get
the
branding
they
want
on
there.
And
you
know
the
policy
that
the
city
council
has
passed
remains
mostly
kind
of
adhered
to.
A
C
A
A
So
all
those
in
favor
of
granting
the
motion
as
presented,
raise
your
right
hand
say
I
okay.
That
motion
carries
seven
to
zero
all
right.
This
is
going
to
be
a
great
business,
can't
wait
to
be
there
and
I
know
john's
creative
enough
he'll
find
a
way
to
make
this
work
and
still
make
it
pop.
So
I
do
appreciate
you
guys
coming
down
today
and
spending
a
little
time
with
us
here.
A
Okay,
so
that
concludes,
I
believe,
all
of
our
regular
agenda
items.
Do
we
have
any
other
business?
We
need
to
tend
to
just
approving
the
minutes.
Okay,
all
right
so
minutes
of
the
last
meeting.
If
you
were
here
last
month,
if
anybody
has
any
questions,
concerns
or
changes
to
the
minutes
as
presented,
please
let
us
know:
if
not,
would
there
be
a
motion
from
those
who
are
in
attendance
to
approve
the
minutes.