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From YouTube: 3-24-21 Zoning Board of Adjustment
Description
Des Moines Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting via teleconference on Wednesday, March 24, 2021.
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What
I'll
be
doing
is
turning
off
the
camera,
so
we
can
save
bandwidth
and
then
staff
will
show
all
of
our
process
on
the
screen
for
documents,
maps
etc,
but
to
give
everybody
a
welcome
here,
as
well
as
to
explain
our
procedures
for
today,
I'll
be
visiting
with
you
here
with
cameron
microphone
for
just
a
few
minutes.
So
back
to
that,
the
members
of
this
board
are
citizens
of
the
city
of
des
moines
and
they
have
been
appointed
to
this
board
by
the
city
council.
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The
board
members
are
volunteers
and
receive
no
compensation
for
their
public
service
I'll
go
ahead
and
introduce
our
board
members.
I
believe
we
have
six
of
seven
board
members
present
here.
We
will
have,
I
think,
a
seventh
member
joining
us
later
this
afternoon,
subject
to
where
we're
at
in
the
agenda.
We
should
at
least
always
have
six
members
today.
Those
board
members,
president,
are
nathan,
blake,
cindy
smith,
marlos
jones,
lynn,
carlson,
dave,
gare
and
again
myself,
mel
pins,
I'm
also
going
to
reference
our
city
staff
and
introduce
those
that
may
be
assisting
with
us
today.
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First
of
all,
is
our
legal
counsel
to
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment.
That's
judy
parks,
cruz
city
staff
that
will
be
presenting
and
providing
information
during
the
hearing,
or
support
includes
bert
drost
city
planner,
eric
clundy
city,
planner,
jason,
vanessa,
city,
planner
and
catherine
drajas
city
planner.
The
city's
zoning
enforcement
officer
is
suanne.
Donovan
michael
ludwig
is
the
city
planning,
administrator
and
tyler
hall.
Is
our
meeting
moderator
I'm
going
to
go
over
our
meeting
procedure
here
for
your
information,
but
on
each
and
every
agenda
item
we
will
help
everyone
through
the
process.
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First
and
foremost,
this
the
board
of
adjustment
is
a
quasi-legal
board.
This
hearing
will
be
conducted
with
the
procedures
and
formats
as
authorized
by
iowa
law
and
the
city's
ordinances.
While
the
meeting
is
open
to
the
public,
the
meeting
is
being
recorded
by
both
audio
and
video.
For
a
legal
record
of
these
proceedings,
the
board
members
have
each
received
a
copy
of
the
agenda
and
a
staff
recommendation.
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Each
item
will
be
announced
in
the
order
that
it
appears
on
the
agenda
items
listed
on
the
consent.
Portion
of
the
agenda
are
not
planned
to
be
individually
discussed
and
they
will
be
considered
for
approval
in
accordance
with
the
recommendations
in
the
staff
report,
unless
the
appellant
does
not
agree
to
the
conditions
recommended
by
staff
or,
if
there's
an
individual
in
the
audience
at
the
hearing
or
a
board
member.
That
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda,
so
that
a
full
discussion
on
the
matter
can
occur
after
an
item
is
announced.
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Staff
will
give
a
brief
overview
of
the
appeal
and
present
any
written
comments
received
prior
to
the
hearing.
Then
the
applicant
or
their
representative
will
be
allowed
up
to
10
minutes
each
to
present
their
appeal
after
the
applicant
presents
their
appeal.
We
will
move
to
the
public
comment
portion
of
the
hearing
for
that
item.
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For
any
speaker,
this
will
be
their
one
and
only
opportunity
to
address
the
board
on
that
specific
item.
So
if
you
wish
to
speak
on
the
item
at
hand
at
the
appropriate
time
when
the
chair
calls
for
public
comments,
please
click
the
raise
hand
icon
in
the
participants
panel,
if
you're
participating
through
your
computer
by
zoom
or
if
you're,
participating
by
phone
press,
star,
9
and
then
the
meeting
moderator
will
know
to
call
on
you
when
it
is
your
turn.
The
meeting
moderator
will
unmute
your
microphone
and
acknowledge
you
to
proceed
with
your
comments.
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Once
all
concerned
citizens
have
spoken,
the
board
will
then
ask
any
additional
questions
of
city
staff
and,
lastly,
the
applicant
will
be
given
three
more
minutes
for
rebuttal
or
closing
comments.
If
there's
been
any
opposition
to
the
appeal
by
the
city
or
any
others,
all
speakers
are
required
to
begin
their
presentation
by
giving
both
their
name
and
address
of
business
or
residence
in
the
event
that
you
may
need
to
be
contacted
for
legal
notices
related
to
the
outcome
of
this
appeal.
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Speakers
are
also
asked
to
ensure
that
they
are
respectful
of
time
considerations
if
necessary.
The
board
chair
will
limit
further
comments
by
a
speaker
if
they
exceed
their
time
limitation.
After
all,
testimony
has
been
provided
on
an
item.
The
board
will
then
close.
Any
further
public
comment
on
that
item
and
the
board
will
immediately
deliberate
the
request,
and
we
will
make
a
decision
on
that
appeal
here
today.
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A
Also,
we
ask
that
you
keep
your
microphone
on
mute
other
than
when
addressing
the
board
to
limit
distractions
during
the
hearing.
While
it
is
in
progress,
we
also
ask
that
you
refrain
from
using
any
chat
or
question
answer
function
as
part
of
the
zoom
meeting,
as
that
conferencing
function
will
not
be
monitored
for
response,
and
use
of
that
function
could
actually
be
construed
as,
what's
called
an
ex
parte
communication
outside
of
the
hearing
process.
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B
Sure,
mr
chair
members
of
the
board,
bert
dross
with
the
city
of
des
moines
item
number
one.
I
believe
we'll
be
able
to
stay
on
the
consent
agenda.
We
receive
no
opposition
to
that
item.
That's
the
type
2
zoning
exception
for
the
porter
hardware,
business
at
4207,
hubble
avenue.
However,
item
number
2,
which
is
a
conditional
use
for
the
property
at
25
90
hubbell
avenue.
B
We
have
received
a
letter
of
our
letter
and
opposition
from
the
accent
neighborhood
association,
so
staff
is
going
to
have
that
one
removed
from
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
for
a
full
discussion
item.
Otherwise,
no
other
changes
to
today's
agenda
items.
Three
and
four
will
remain
as
discussion
items.
A
Okay,
so,
basically
without
discussion,
the
board
has
been
requested
to
look
at
staff
recommendation
is
to
look
at
approving
the
porter
hardware
type
2
zoning
exception
at
4207,
hubble
avenue.
Is
there
anybody
present
here
in
the
zoom
meeting
or
by
telephone?
That
would
be
opposed
to
the
board.
Granting
approval
on
item
number
one
here
for
porter
hardware.
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F
D
F
A
G
G
H
G
Let's
see
so,
we
are
recommending
approval
of
the
request
for
this
conditional
use.
A
few
of
our
conditions
are
that
there
shall
be
no
outside
storage
materials,
any
occupation
of
the
building
for
self-service
storage.
You
shall
comply
with
the
requirements
of
chapter
135
and
a
site
plan,
and
then
any
modification
needs
to
comply
as
well
with
the
building
and
fire
codes.
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F
G
Respond
to
us
this
morning
that
they
had
some
technical
difficulties,
so
they
just
found
some
of
their
messages
from
people
due
to
their
neighborhood
notification
process.
We
had,
we
do
have
a
card
from
mr
kenny
and
that
is
reflected
on
the
consent
map.
So
you'll
see
it
in
a
little
bit.
But
here
are
his
comments.
G
I
can
zoom
in
if
needed,
further,
and
then
they
had
looks.
Like
mr
dewild
also
responded
to
the
neighborhood
notification,
we
did
not
receive
a
card
from
him
as
of
yet
if
he
did
send
one
in
and
then
looks
like
the
representative
of
the
appellant
also
received
communication
from
the
appellant
themselves.
G
G
G
And
I
can
come
back
through
these
cards
if
I'm
moving
too
quickly
through
them
and
then
mr
kenny's
card,
as
mentioned,
we
can
go
back
to
his
comments
that
he
provided
to
the
representative
of
the
appellant.
If
anyone
is
interested
and
then
here
is
the
letter
from
the
accent
neighborhood
with
their
concerns,
let's
see,
I
believe
the
main
part
is
that
they
did
not
feel
a
self
storage
facility
was
the
appropriate
use
of
the
property,
given
that
there
are
already
three
significantly
sized
storage
unit
facilities
within
one
mile
of
this
location.
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E
A
So,
catherine,
to
expand
on
that,
the
mx3
district
may
allow
for
self-storage
use
within
that
zoning
district.
However,
that
used
needs
to
just
have
a
review
by
the
board
as
a
conditional
use
of
so
that
we
can
in
essence
make
sure
it
fits
in
best
as
possible
and
again,
if
I'm
overreaching
here,
it'd
be
very
similar,
a
tavern
may
be
allowed
in
certain
zoning
districts,
but
still
requires
a
conditional
use.
So
we
can
ensure
that
it's
fitting
in
as
best
as
possible.
Would
that
be
a
good
way?
A
A
So
related
to
that,
a
question
that
I
would
have,
catherine,
as
this
would
be
required
to
go
through
site
plan
review.
Generally
speaking,
that
would
mean
any
pole.
Signage
related
to
the
use
would
have
to
come
down
and
be
monument
sign
at
a
maximum
or
just
on
the
building.
Probably
some
additional
landscaping
or
green
space
requirements,
and
I
would
assume
dumpsters
would
have
to
be
screened.
I
B
B
B
A
A
J
All
right,
this
is
bob
gibson
with
civil
design
advantage
and
we're
at
3405
southeast
crossroads
drive
in
grimes
and
we're
the
engineering
firm
serving
as
a
consultant
to
the
buyer.
That's
going
to
convert
this,
I
don't,
I
can't
see
all
who's
on
here,
but
I
don't
know
if
the
architect
is
or
a
representative
of
southwestern
properties.
J
As
far
as
the
removal
of
pavement,
I
there's
certainly
going
to
be
some
of
that,
and
I
guess
I
would
be
defer
to
the
potential
buyer
and
developer
of
this
as
to
how
much
that's
that's
not
been
specified.
There's
definitely
less
parking
required
for
this
use
than
what's
for
a
retail
store,
so
it's
not
necessary
and
some
of
that
parking
area
is
in
the
floodplain
too.
So
there's
potential
for
removing
it
and
for
increasing
landscape
area.
J
A
G
A
A
J
Yeah
that,
basically
it's
the
same
thing,
it's
just
showing
you
know
some
of
the
truck
access
and
stuff.
What
you
see
there,
though
you
can
see
where
that
flood
line
is
how
much
of
that
is
in
the
flood
plain
of
that
little
drainage
area.
It's
that
dark
line.
It
crosses
and
it's
labeled
in
the
parking
lot.
So
this
concept
was
just
an
early
early
concept.
It
doesn't
show
any
removal
of
pavement
at
this
point,
but
obviously
we're
going
to
continue
the
connection
out
to
east
25th
street
from
hubble.
J
A
Bob
in
regard
to
your
access
to
east
25th
street-
I
don't
know
if
this
has
been
a
concern
or
not,
but
I
could
see
the
opportunity
for
more
cut
through
traffic
into
a
residential
neighborhood
of
people
trying
to
pass
through
your
site
or
people
up
to
no
good
they
can
get
in
behind
the
building.
Is
that
east
25th
access?
Is
that
required
for
some
some
fire
or
emergency
requirements?
Or
is
that
just
something
that
was
there
previous
and
you're
going
to
keep.
A
Yep,
okay,
I've
I've
got
you
there.
If
staff
could
go
back
to
slide
number
nine,
the
one
the
existing
in
a
strange
way.
I
can't
tell
what
I'm
looking
at
here,
but
it
almost
looks
like
on
the
site
on
that
east
portion
of
the
site
that
there's
actually
some
areas
where
there
isn't
pavement
or
is
that
just
broken
up
old
pavement
just
where
it
says
east
of
the
word
site?
It's
right
in
the
middle.
A
A
A
J
A
A
J
A
G
A
A
C
A
K
K
K
You
know
we
have
taken
a
close
look
at
what
u-haul
has
done
across
the
street
and,
as
bob
alluded
to
you
know,
we
we
are
open
to
increasing
landscaping
on
this
site.
We
know
it's
going
to
be
required
in
the
site
plan.
You
know
there
is
some
of
that
looks
like
older
pavement,
which
you
know,
looks
to
be
a
good
area
to
add
some
of
that
landscaping.
K
F
K
We
think
adding
this
self-storage
use
we'll
definitely
liven
up
this
building
help
with
some
some
of
our
neighbors
concerns
with
some
vandalism
and
some
people
loitering.
So
we
absolutely
believe
we
can
help
solve
some
of
those
concerns
with
this
use,
and
I
just
want
to
keep
it
short
for
you
guys
and
if
there
are
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
specific.
A
H
K
Yes,
that
is
correct.
As
bob
alluded,
we
don't
have
a
specific
site
plan
quite
yet
that
we
would
be
submitting
so
as
to
the
complete
extent
of
the
area.
I
don't
have
an
exact
answer
for
you,
but
yes,
we
would
look
to
put
landscaping
in
that
area
kind
of
along
that
drainage,
kind
of
creek
bed
area-
and
we
you
know-
do
have
fairly
limited
frontage
on
hubble,
but
we
do
plan
to
do
some
improvements
along
there,
including
a
sidewalk
and
some
landscaping
and,
of
course,
working
with
that
sign.
D
K
I
A
A
B
A
L
F
A
All
right
all
right!
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
They
say
brevity
is
the
art
of
wit.
If
I've
got
that
right,
so
sometimes
that's,
okay,
all
right!
Well!
Thank
you,
sir.
Do
we
have
anybody
else
as
a
participant
attendee
that
wishes
to
speak
in
support
of
the
request,
if
so
hit
the
raise
hand,
icon
and
zoom
to
be
recognized
or
star
nine
on
your
telephone.
A
Okay,
all
right
so
going
once
going
twice
on
that
all
right,
then
we'll
shift
gears
a
little
bit.
Is
there
anybody
participating
in
the
hearing
that
wishes
to
speak
in
opposition
to
the
applicant's
request
for
this
conditional
use,
permit
same
sign,
hit
the
raise
hand
icon
in
zoom
or
star
9
on
your
phone
and
then
we'll
recognize
folks
in
order
of
requests
here,
anybody
to
speak
in
opposition.
A
All
right
and
whether
you're
in
support
or
maybe
not
an
opposition,
but
you
just
like
to
provide
some
relevant
comments.
That
would
be
anybody
that
was
just
speaking
neutrality,
same
sign,
raise
hand
and
zoom
or
star
nine
on
your
phone
to
be
recognized
all
right,
seeing
none
suanne
do
we
have
any
comments
from
the
zoning
enforcement
officer.
A
D
G
D
B
A
Bert,
while
you're
quote
at
the
microphone
a
related
question
to
this
parking
in
a
flood
plain
air,
if
it's
pre-existing
can
be
allowed
but
is,
is
the
concern
of
any
structures
in
the
flood
floodplain,
we
probably
wouldn't
be
able
to
approve
a
new
conditional
use
permit
for
a
building
that
would
be
in
the
floodplain.
Could.
B
We
that
that
is
correct
and
actually
in
the
new
zoning
ordinance
or
the
zone
ordinance
that
we
have
now.
The
self-service
storage
is
only
allowed
in
the
mx3
district
if
it's
with
in
an
existing
structure,
so
they
wouldn't
actually
be
able
to
build
new
structures
in
the
parking
lot
anyway.
I've
got
you.
A
B
A
A
G
J
I
would
just
like
to
address
the
removal
of
the
pavement
if
you're,
considering
putting
conditions
on
that
that
everything
within
the
floodplain
has
to
be
removed.
That
may
be
difficult,
because
we
want
to
maintain
that
access
from
east
25th
to
the
front
of
the
building
as
well
and
there's
no
way
to
do
that.
I
D
A
I
think
that's
that's
a
good
comment
and
when
we
get
to
our
board
discussion
that
will
just
be
between
board
members-
and
I
don't
know
what
the
interest
may
or
may
not
be
in
that
at
a
minimum.
You've
got
to
meet
site
plan
requirements,
so
there
more
than
likely
would
have
to
be
some
some
paving
removal
more
than
likely
at
the
front
edge,
or
maybe
some
side
or
rear
yard,
just
to
meet
the
minimum
requirements.
Yeah.
A
Right,
but
in
our
discussion,
if
the
board
members
did
have
a
discussion,
we
generally
don't
like
to
be
landscape,
architects
or
or
get
super
detailed
on
how
we
want
things
drawn
out.
But
what,
if
we
said
something
to
the
effect
of
we'd
like
to
see
besides
meaning
meeting
minimum
site
plan
requirements,
an
additional
removal
of
no
more
than
10
percent
of
existing
paving?
K
Er
jackson
gibbons
here
we
would
be
open
to
something
like
that.
We're
you
know
determining
our
unit
mix
and
we
have
about
650
units
so
just
being
able
to
meet
parking
requirements
and
access
requirements
and
also,
as
I
mentioned,
take
into
account
our
neighbors
to
the
south,
making
sure
they
have
adequate
access
as
well
for
their
property.
K
A
Okay,
all
right!
Well,
thank
you,
gentlemen.
So
what
we'll
do
at
this
time
is?
We
will
go
to
board
deliberations,
so
the
board
members
will
close
the
public
hearing
here
and
we
will
discuss
this
amongst
ourselves
and
decide
where
we
want
to
head
board
members
any
initial
thoughts,
observations
or
proposals.
D
A
A
So
if
they
had
to
remove
all
of
that
and
just
leave
what
would
allow
access,
we
probably
wouldn't
have
any
room
to
park
and
again
I
I
want
to
be
careful
to
not
try
to
to
sit
here
and
and
be
site
designers,
but
if
our
goal
would
be
to
within
reason
reduce
some
of
that
paving
area.
We
could
probably
say:
look
you've
got
to
meet
the
minimum
setbacks
for
site
plan
and
maybe
we'd
like
some
additional
removed,
a
certain
percentage
of
what
remains
well
and,
of
course,.
D
D
N
N
I
just
from
working
on
the
project
across
the
street
that
came
through
under
the
old
code.
I
do
know
when
that
went
to
the
planning
zoning
commission,
that
we
had
a
very
similar
discussion
and
the
language
they
chose
to
make
as
a
condition
was
that
all
pavement,
all
unnecessary
pavement
be
removed
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
planning
administrator,
and
what
that
did.
Is
that
allowed
us
as
staff
to
meet
with
them
down
the
road
and
really
have
that
more
detailed?
N
D
N
It
would
be
basically
anything
they
could
demonstrate
they
needed
for
maneuvering
and
for
parking
to
meet
our
requirements.
So
the
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind
too,
is
that
they're
gonna
our
site
plan
requirements
gonna
require
about
20
percent
open
space.
So
it's
not.
They
already
have
to
remove
a
fair
amount
to
comply
with
that.
I
I
think
it's
fair
to.
A
N
I
A
Yeah,
okay,
jason.
I
think
that's
a
very
good
point
to
make
and
again
it
kind
of
comes
back
where
the
board's
intentions
are
good,
but
it
can
be
difficult
for
us
to
try
to
determine
what
is
reasonable
or
what
is
necessary
for
ingress,
egress
and
maneuvering
as
volunteer
citizens
on
this
board.
That's
probably
not
our
bailiwick,
so
we'll
have
a
further
discussion
here
to
see
if
we
may
or
may
not
want
to
include
that
language
to
know
that,
regardless
of
setbacks,
they've
got
to
have
a
20
open
space.
A
A
H
H
You
know
I
thought
jason's
comment
was
spot
on.
I
think
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
be
sensitive.
I
think
staff
understands
what
is
going
to
be
necessary
from
a
landscaping
standpoint
and
to
maintain
the
functionality
of
the
maneuverability
of
this
lot.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
be
sensitive
to
is
these
guys
want
to
do
some
of
this
building.
Let's
not
drive
costs
out
of
it
out
of
their
budget.
H
Just
to
remove
pavement,
I
mean
I've
got
the
utmost
confidence
in
staff
and
we're
actually
giving
them
a
gray
colored
crayon
in
this
instance,
which
we
never
do,
because
they're
all
black
and
white
to
go
through
this
and
determine
what's
necessary.
It
was
successful
across
the
street,
so
I'm
in
full
circle.
A
A
A
H
A
So
then,
you'd
want
to
be
adding
an
item
number
four,
which
would
be
language
that
then
requires
removal
of
unnecessary
payment
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
planning
administrator,
correct
judy.
From
your
perspective,
as
our
legal
counsel,
do
you
think
that
that's
clear
enough
as
a
motion
with
a
condition
there
from
dave's
perspective.
A
Okay,
that's
good!
That's
good!
Okay!
Well,
I
I
think
this
has
been
very
important
to
discuss
from
my
perspective
here.
You
know
I
I
used
to
go
in
this
store
in
the
early
70s
and
enjoyed
it
very
much
as
a
kid,
but
unfortunately,
the
retail
environment
is
changing
and
big
box
stores
large
square
footage
for
for
for
retail.
I
don't
know
that
I'd
want
to
be
an
owner
investor
in
that,
so
in
looking
at
transitional
uses.
A
A
A
A
D
I
A
Okay,
all
right
so,
as
I
mentioned
in
our
preamble,
our
decision
and
order
will
be
issued
next
week
and
you'll
get
a
copy
of
that
as
the
applicant.
And
then
you
can
sit
down
work
on
your
site
plan
and
work
with
the
planning
administrator
and
his
staff
on
integrating
this.
So
I
thank
everybody
for
your
time
and
your
interest
here
today
in
that
item.
A
B
B
B
B
I
C
B
Staff
looked
at
this
and
reviewed
it
against
the
criteria
that
the
board
is
obligated
to
base
its
decision
on
the
site
meets
the
separation
distance
requirements.
There
aren't
any
churches,
parks,
schools
or
daycares
within
500
feet
of
the
site,
and
there
aren't
any
other
establishments
selling
alcoholic
liquor
within
a
quarter
mile
of
the
site,
so
they
do
meet
the
conditions
or
the
criteria
necessary
for
granting
the
conditional
use
approval.
B
So
we
have
recommended
approval,
subject
to
10
conditions
and
I
won't
read
through
all
of
them,
but
they're
the
standard
conditions
you're
used
to
seeing
such
as
number
one
the
liquor
store
shall
be
limited
to
the
existing
2392
square
foot,
building
a
two:
they
need
to
operate
in
accordance
with
the
necessary
liquor
license
issued
to
the
city,
clerk's
office
and
so
on.
Were
there
any
questions
for
me,
questions.
A
Is
fine
just
more
conversational
than
than
than
anything,
there's
also
a
location.
I
think
it's
what
I
call
formal
coastal
mart.
It's
on
the
west
side
of
the
street,
so
that'd
be
west
des
moines.
I
I
guess
my
question
or
concern
is
there?
There
was
somebody
that
said
that
that
this
would,
as
a
negative,
would
bring
people
into
the
neighborhood
to
buy
alcohol,
but
I
think
on
63rd
street
there's
a
number
of
other
locations
that
already
do
sell
some.
So
I
don't
know
how
this
would
be
any
different
right.
B
B
A
Okay,
all
right,
then,
what
we'll
do
we'll
go
ahead
and
turn
this
over
to
the
applicant
applicant
or
their
representative.
You've
got
up
to
10
minutes
to
present
your
reasoning
for
why
you'd
like
us
to
grant
your
conditional
use
permit
here,
and
we
just
need
you
to
start
off
with
your
name
and
address.
P
This
is
lloyd,
ogle
attorney
for
sukunder
singh.
He
goes
by
the
name
of
sunny
he's
here
with
me,
so
just
first
of
all
in
context,
right
now,
there's
a
there's,
a
purchase
agreement,
that's
in
effect
for
the
purchase
of
this
property.
It
is
conditional
on
getting
this
conditional
use
permit
and
we
don't
have
architectural
designs
to
show
you
what
the
storefront
look
like.
P
It's
it's
gonna
be
branded
as
it's
gonna
kind
of
look
and
feel
like
convenience
store,
but
it
will,
you
know,
be
a
liquor
store
with
a
full
selection
of
liquor
site.
We
don't
anticipate,
given
that
it's
on
this
highway,
there's
really
not
really
a
path
for
foot
traffic
from
the
west
side
of
the
street
over
to
the
site,
where
we're
anticipating,
almost
all
the
revenue,
is
simply
going
to
be
revenue
generated
from
corridor
traffic
on
highway,
28
and
and
we'd
point.
The
neighborhood
association
doesn't
have
a
problem
with
this
use.
P
We
probably
anticipate
putting
about
an
additional
200
000
into
the
site,
and
improvements
it'll
be
well
lit.
It's
on
a
well-lit
corridor.
Sonny
has
experience.
He
owns
a
liquor
store
in
indianola,
he's
managed
a
couple
of
stores
here
in
des
moines
and
now
he's
going
to
branch
out
on
on
his
own.
With
this
site,
it's
going
to
be
branded.
P
A
P
Yes,
we
anticipate
our
architect,
will
help
guard
guide
us
through
that,
but
we
anticipate
there
will,
you
know,
have
to
be
some
changes
to
to
landscaping
and
stuff
and
then
he's
prepared
to
comply
with
that.
We
we
think
our
200
000
budget
includes
that
in
terms
of
hours
of
operation,
you
really
haven't
settled
on
that
yet,
but
we
just
emphasize
again:
it's
a
well-lit
corridor
accessible
for
foot
traffic,
but
but
we
we
have
not
he's
not
gotten
that
far
in
the
process
to
figure
out
what
what
four
hours
will
be.
P
A
All
right!
Thank
you
for
your
presentation,
sir.
Thank
you.
Okay,
now
we'll
move
to
the
next
portion.
Is
there
anybody
present
at
today's
hearing
that
wishes
to
speak
in
support
of
the
applicant's
request?
If
so,
you
can
have
up
to
five
minutes
to
speak.
We
just
need
you
to
hit
the
raise
hand,
icon
and
zoom
or
star
9
on
your
phone
to
be
recognized.
A
A
A
G
Q
A
Well,
I
I
think
the
applicant
had
stated
they
had
not
determined
their
hours,
yet
I
don't
think
staff
has
anything
in
their
recommendation
to
limit
the
hours,
but
I
guess
I
I
will
do
this.
If
staff
could
just
give
us
some
information
quickly,
does
the
city
have
a
limitation
on
hours
when
liquor
can
be
sold?
M
M
A
Right
all
right,
thank
you
sue
and
I
probably
should
have
been
quicker
on
the
draw
and
asked
that
during
our
question
period,
so
lynn
yeah,
it
doesn't
look
like
there's
there's
any
requirements
for
limitations
on
hours.
I
think
something
to
keep
in
mind
here.
The
reason
this
is
in
front
of
us.
It
is
a
request
for
a
conditional
use
permit
and
we
can
sometimes
we
we
take
it
for
granted.
I
think,
but
we
need
to
remind
ourselves
if
we
give
a
conditional
use
permit
what
that
means.
A
Is
it's
like
getting
a
license
driver's
license?
Yes,
we're
granting
you
the
ability
to
do
this,
but
if
we
have
any
problems
with
it
or
presents
any
concerns
for
noise
congestion,
loitering,
improper,
illegal
activities,
staff
can
bring
it
back
to
the
board
and
we
can
revoke
that
conditional
use
permit.
So,
even
if
we
approve
this
today,
we
do
have
future
oversight
that
if
it
becomes
a
problem,
then
hey
it'd
have
to
convert
back
to
you
know
a
general
retail
store.
A
Q
E
Mr
chair,
this
is
cindy.
I
I
have
to
agree
with
lynn.
I
would
like
to
see
some
kind
of
restriction
for
hours.
You
know
this.
This
is
kind
of
a
big
jump
from
a
nail
salon
to
a
liquor
store
and
there
there
was
opposition
to
it
and
I
know
they're
going
to
be
plugging
a
lot
of
money
into
it,
but
this
also
goes
with
the
with
the
property.
So.
I
E
F
A
Q
F
A
And
nathan,
a
very
good
point:
yes,
we
we've
approved
a
lot
of
these
over
the
years
on
some
of
them.
We've
had
no
restrictions,
things
like
quick
trips
and
come
and
go's
and
other
convenience
stores.
You
know.
Sometimes
the
assumption
is
well
they're
open,
24
7,
so
we
don't
limit
the
hours
they
sell
to
alcohol,
but
there
have
been
others
just
functioning
solely
as
liquor
stores
where
we
have
said
things
like
11
pm
or
or
maybe
midnight.
Q
C
Q
A
A
A
I
I
I
kind
of
wondered
close
by
by
midnight
with
a
minimum
closing
of
six
hours.
How
would
something
like
that?
Be
I'm
fine
with
that?
Okay,
all
right!
So
with
that
so
dave.
What
would
you
consider
amending
your
your
second
for
a
friendly
amendment
that
that
that
they
would
have
to
remain
closed
for
a
minimum
of
six
hours
after
midnight?
Absolutely
okay,
all
right!
A
Well,
I
guess
I'm
going
to
be
super
duper
nice,
but
we
had
more
than
close
the
public
portion
and
and
sometimes
there's
decisions
we
like
to
make
and
we
don't
necessarily
throw
them
back
to
you
for
what
you
think
but
lloyd
in
this
case.
Yes,
if
you
can
give
me
60
seconds
anything,
you
want
to
add
before
we
vote.
P
P
A
Okay,
all
right,
I
appreciate
your
thoughts.
Thank
you
all
right,
so
board
members
before
we
go
to
vote.
The
only
thing
I
might
say
to
that
is
some
of
those
other
locations
probably
also
offer
other
24-hour
services,
including
gasoline
and
more
expansive
food
sales,
but
this
isn't
about
comparing
one
site
to
another
entirely.
It's
about
this
fuse
and
this
location
so
board
members.
So
we
do
have
a
motion
with
a
second
to
approve
this,
but
with
some
limitations
on
ours,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
take
a
vote
on
that.
A
O
O
Q
D
D
A
Okay,
all
right.
Well.
That
concludes
that
item
again.
That
decision
and
order
will
be
issued
by
this
time
next
week
for
everybody's
benefit
for
any
further
permits
and
moving
ahead
with
the
project.
Okay,
that'll
bring
us
to
our
final
item
on
the
agenda
item.
Four
is
a
zoning
variance
request
in
the
vicinity
of
601
army
post
road.
N
N
N
I
received
a
copy
of
the
staff
report
with
the
description
of
the
site
overview
of
the
notification
process,
the
criteria
for
granting
of
variants
with
the
separation
requirement.
It's
not,
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
grant
an
exception
to
those.
So
let's
say
you
know
if
you're
that
fifty
percent
threshold
or
greater,
we
can't
whittle
it
down
to
an
exception
level
relief.
It's
either
it's
all
or
nothing
from
that
standpoint.
From
the
you
know,
variance.
N
N
N
N
In
the
material
submitted
with
their
application
as
staff,
we
we
weren't
able
to
really
define
anything
that
we
could
point
to
as
meeting
that
hardship
criteria.
Therefore,
we
have
recommended
denial,
but
I
did
want
to
let
the
commission
and
applicator
excuse
me.
The
board
and
the
applicant
know
that
you
know
this
isn't
a
matter
of
character
from
the
staff
perspective.
I
A
Okay,
hey
jason,
a
question
that
I
would
have
I'm
sure
that
this
shouldn't
have
been
news
to
the
applicant
as
they
developed
their
concept
for
this
was
this
discussed
early
on
with
them?
Is
there
any
way
the
site
could
have
been
designed
differently
or
positioning
of
of
things
differently,
or
are
there
some
issues
with
topography
to
fit
in
that
storm,
dorm
retention,
pond,
etc?
A
N
N
If
you
can
see
in
this
drawing
before
the
board,
even
if
you
were
to
put
try
to
put
a
dog
run
at
this
corner,
which
is
about
the
farthest
you
can
get
from
any
of
those
residential
properties,
you
just
can't
get
200
feet.
So
that's
that's!
Really.
The
challenge
of
what
they're
facing
is
just
it's.
It's
a
large
parcel,
an
area,
but
it's
shaped
in
a
way
that
makes
it
challenging
to
comply
with
that
standard.
A
N
N
A
N
A
A
O
O
O
and
from
that
time
today
they
have
continued
to
grow
and
their
existing
veterinary
center
includes
veterinary
services
as
well
as
dog
boarding.
They
have
an
exterior.
They
have
a
small
exterior
dog
run,
as
well
as
some
interior
space
for
dog
boarding
as
well,
and
it
has
grown
to
be
a
pretty
critical
part
of
their
business
operations
and
they've
kind
of
outgrown
their
facility.
O
It's
a
really
difficult
process
to
try
and
find
a
piece
of
property
in
this
neighborhood.
That
would
allow
us
to
do
that.
This
one
here,
you
can
see,
is
actually
extremely
large,
like
jason
explained,
but
in
any
dimension
we're
not
able
to
fit
it
within
this
site
to
meet
that
separation
requirement.
So
what
we've
done
here
is
we're
proposing
an
eight
foot
tall,
wood
fence,
as
opposed
to
maybe
a
standard
chain
link
fence
or
a
six
foot
tall,
opaque
fence
and
we're
also
looking
at
adding
additional
plantings
around
it.
O
So
these
are
actually
evergreen
trees
that
are
being
planted
around
this.
This
will
help
not
only
visually
separate
the
dog
run,
but
also
help
with
acoustics
year
round
of
that
dog
run.
You
also
saw
in
the
packet
the
owner
has
gone
to
all
the
neighborhood,
the
neighbors
that
live
in
this
kind
of
city
block
here
to
get
their
support.
They
do
support
the
project.
O
O
O
O
O
I
E
F
E
O
Applicant
the
amount
yeah
the
amount
of
parking
that
we're
showing
on
this
plan
is
above
and
beyond
what
would
be
required
from
a
site
plan
perspective.
I
think
one
of
the
other
questions
earlier
was
asked
was
asking
about
topography
that
upper
northeast
corner
of
that
site
is
the
low
spot.
It's
the
existing
low
spot
of
the
site,
so
we're
actually
reserving
that
for
storm
water
detention
requirements.
That
would
be
a
part
of
the
site
plan
process
as
well.
A
O
E
N
Chairman
is
more
jason
vanessa.
We
don't
typically
put
anything
in
your
pocket
as
far
as
attachments
goes,
and
I
don't
believe
I
had
it
in
the
in
my
presentation
file
here.
I
can
pull
it
up
if,
if
we
need
to,
if
corey
doesn't
feel
like
if
you'd
like
to
see
it,
I
get
the
sense
that
I
think
he's
hit
everything
that's
in
it
cory.
If
you
want
to
confirm
that.
O
A
A
F
I
can
understand
why
it
was
implemented,
but
200
feet's
a
lot,
and
I
think
there
could
be
exceptions.
If
I
were,
you
know,
writing
it
myself,
but
that's
not
the
role
of
this
board.
It's
just
to
apply
the
law,
and
so
I
wonder
if
you
could
just
speak
to
how
the
you
know
you've
been
deprived
of
to
and
to
quote
the
the
prong
here,
the
law
all
beneficial
or
productive
use
of
the
land
in
question.
O
Use
yeah,
I
I
mean
if
the
question
is:
can
this
lobby
use
for
anything
other
than
a
veterinary
center?
I
you
know,
I
don't
think
I
could
prove
that,
but
if
the
site
is
intended
to
be
used
for
a
veterinary
center,
I
I
think
it
would
be
necessary
for
to
include
a
dog
run
if
boarding
is
part
of
that
veterinary
center's
services.
O
O
A
A
A
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
any
final
questions
we
have
for
staff
and
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
lead
off
with
one
jason.
There
was
something
that
I
recall
here
as
I
as
I,
as
I
read
through
this
again
so
earlier
this
year,
this
or
or
toward
the
end
of
late
last
year,
this
appellant,
I'm
assuming
approached
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
to
ask
for
rezoning
to
allow
for
this
type
of
of
use
as
an
animal
service
use
and
the
city
council
did
approve
that
in
january.
Is
that
correct
that.
A
A
Okay,
seeing
none
just
as
a
courtesy
we've
done
this
before,
although
nobody
spoke
in
opposition,
if
the
applicant
would
like
to
have
any
closing
comments,
I'll
give
you
a
couple
three
minutes
to
do
that.
If,
if
you
don't
have
much
to
share,
you
don't
have
to,
but
anything
else,
corey
or
applicant
that
you'd
like
to
share
with
us
in
closing.
O
We
were
aware
from
the
very
beginning
that
this
variance
would
be
required
and
that
we
would
have
to
go
through
planning
and
zoning
to
get
rezoning
and
that
we
would
have
to
take
it
to
council
to
get
that
approved
and
then
come
to
this
board
of
adjustment
meeting
the
only
other
sort
of
additional
hardship
we
really
had
during
that
time
is.
We
couldn't
really
get
a
clear
staff
recommendation
at
any
point
up
until
this
meeting
on
whether
or
not
they
would
be
in
favor
of
this
variance
request.
O
So
it
wasn't
until
this
point
that
we
were
told
that
the
staff
recommendation
would
be
to
reject
our
variance
so
we've
gone
through
this
whole
process.
You
know
we
were
aware
we
had
to
do
it,
but
had
we
known
from
the
very
beginning
that
it
wouldn't
have
been
a
successful
effort,
we
may
not
have
approached
it
either.
I
A
E
E
You
know
I
I
see
this
as
a
real
benefit
to
the
neighborhood,
there's
no
opposition
from
the
neighbors
they're.
You
know
their
plan
they're
planning
to
put
some
extra
money
into
this,
the
site
plan.
To
put
you
know,
evergreens
or
bushes,
or
whatever
you
know
a
taller
fence
for
the
dog
run.
You
know,
I
just
see
it
as
a
real
important
need
of
their
business
and
I,
I
think,
they've
proven
enough
hardship.
F
A
Well,
what
I
might
throw
in
here
folks,
I
know
all
of
us-
are
from
the
city
and
obviously
to
serve
on
this
board.
All
of
us
are
generally
familiar
with
most
of
the
locales
and
properties
some
more
than
others,
but
I
live
six
blocks
from
this
place
for
40
years.
This
property
was
an
embarrassment
to
this
city.
It
was
the
site
of
a
ram
shackle
mobile
home
court
that
directly
abutted
army
post
road
with
dilapidated
mobile
homes.
A
So
the
property
has
now
sat
pretty
much
unused
for
the
last
decade,
plus
there's
been
nothing
there,
except
for
occasional,
graffiti
cars
being
abandoned
on
the
property
and
illegal
dumping
to
have
somebody
want
to
come
in
here
and
not
just
reuse.
This
and
you
know,
we've
seen
various
uses
proposed
today-
some
that
people
may
not
like
and
others
don't
have
a
problem
with,
but
to
make
an
investment
in
a
building
of
this
quality
in
this
nature
and
what
this
business
is
trying
to
do.
A
A
This
project
already
had
the
nod
of
approval
with
the
zone
release
zoning
review
by
city
council.
I
think
everybody
understands
what
the
intent
is
here.
The
neighborhood
didn't
have
a
problem
with
it
during
rezoning,
they
obviously
don't
now.
But
yes,
we
do
have
a
variance
test
here
and
it's
always
important
to
remember
what
that
is.
A
But
the
way
the
zoning
ordinance
is
set
up
that
variance
test.
That's
the
hill
that
kind
of
by
default
might
be
about
impossible
to
climb
for
anybody
if
you've
got
to
be
200
feet
from
the
nearest
residential.
Well,
it's
it's
really
a
400
foot
thing,
because
you've
got
to
look
at
a
radius
on
on
anyone's
side.
I
don't
know
many
properties
that
would
even
be
zoned
for
an
animal
clinic
that
would
have
that
kind
of
400
foot
stretch
your
arm
out
length
on
anyone's
side
and
not
about
a
residential
district.
A
A
Any
four
lane
street's
going
to
be
a
little
noisy,
but
this
one
certainly
is.
I
think
we
have
a
few
more
harley-davidsons
on
army
post
than
we
might
have
on
ingersoll.
I
live
two
blocks
south
army
post
and
I
can
hear
the
traffic
from
my
backyard.
I
think
it's
important
to
have
some
visual
separation
from
the
dog
run
for
the
benefit
of
the
clinic
itself,
and
I
think
a
variance
to
allow
a
fence
would
would
be
reasonable
here.
A
In
light
of
the
fact,
we've
got
a
four-lane
street
right
there
as
far
as
the
residential
impact.
Another
part
of
the
variance
test
is
not
having
an
undue
impact
on
the
character
and
welfare
of
a
neighborhood.
This
will
be
well
screened
and
only
during
business
hours.
I
think
that
goes
a
long
way,
because
I
tell
you:
I've
got
neighbors
whose
dogs
do
bark
24
7,
and
I
can't
do
a
darn
thing
about
that.
B
A
Oh
I'm
sorry
I
yeah,
although
I
I
was
reading
it.
I
know
staff
records
to
deny
it
I'd
like
to
move
approval
of
the
requested
zoning
variants
to
allow
for
the
dog
run.
Use
as
presented
dave
got
a
second
for
me.
Okay,
all
right,
excellent!
All
right,
so
we've
got
a
motion
and
a
second
to
grant
the
variance.
If
you
want
to
grant
the
variance
and
when
we
take
roll
call,
you'll
say
if
opposed
may.