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B
The
members
of
this
board
are
citizens
of
the
city
of
des
moines
and
have
been
appointed
to
this
board
by
the
city
council.
The
board
members
are
volunteers
and
receive
no
compensation
for
their
public
service.
I'm
going
to
take
a
moment
here
and
introduce
our
board
members
on
the
audience's
left
is
nathan.
Blake
next
to
him
is
cindy
smith.
B
B
Legal
counsel
for
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment
is
judy
park's
cruise
and
down
here
in
the
front
row:
frank
young
senior
city,
planner,
catherine
drajas,
city,
planner,
bert
drost,
deputy
planning,
administrator
eric
lundy
zoning
enforcement
officer,
jason
van
essen
planning,
administrator
suanne,
donovan,
deputy
director
of
neighborhood
services,
trey
yoshi,
chakraborty
city,
planner
and
tyler
hall.
Our
meeting
moderator
I'm
going
to
take
a
minute
here
and
cover
our
meeting
procedure
for
today.
For
some
of
you,
this
may
be
your
first
time
in
front
of
the
board.
B
B
First
and
foremost,
the
board
of
adjustment
is
a
quasi-legal
board.
This
hearing
will
be
conducted
within
the
procedures
and
format
as
authorized
by
iowa
law
and
this
city's
ordinances.
The
meeting
is
open
to
the
public
and
the
meeting
is
being
recorded
by
both
audio
and
video.
For
a
legal
record
of
these
proceedings,
the
board
members
have
each
received
a
copy
of
the
agenda
and
the
staff
recommendations.
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B
B
B
We'll
then
move
to
the
public
comment
portion
of
the
hearing,
and
anyone
wanting
to
speak
in
support
of
in
opposition
to
or
even
in
neutrality
for
the
appeal
will
be
allowed
up
to
five
minutes
each
to
present
their
comments.
This
will
be
their
one
and
only
opportunity
to
address
the
board
on
the
item
at
hand.
B
All
speakers
are
requested
to
speak
only
from
the
podium
here
at
the
front
of
the
room
and
begin
their
presentation
by
first
giving
both
their
name
and
address
of
business
or
residence
in
the
event
that
you
may
need
to
be
contacted
for
legal
notices
that
are
related
to
the
outcome
of
this
appeal.
B
The
board
chair
will
then
close
any
further
public
comment
on
the
agenda
item
at
hand.
The
board
will
then
immediately
deliberate
the
request
and
the
board
will
make
a
decision
on
the
appeal
here
today.
Please
note
that
it
takes
at
least
four
average
affirmative
votes
for
any
zoning
appeal
to
gain
approval.
B
B
All
material,
written
or
otherwise
used
today,
as
part
of
any
presentation,
is
part
of
the
permanent
record,
and
you
may
contact
city
staff
after
the
hearing.
If
you
need
a
copy
and
if,
for
some
reason,
there's
something
you
want
to
present,
you
haven't
provided
to
staff
plans,
drawings
documents,
you'll
need
to
either
leave
copies
or
allow
them
to
make
a
suitable
copy
before
you
leave.
B
Finally,
a
couple
housekeeping
items,
please
avoid
any
undue
conversation
in
the
audience
so
as
to
limit
distractions
during
the
hearing,
you're
doing
a
fine
job.
Thank
you
also
ensure
your
cell
phone
has
been
silenced,
good
job
as
well,
and
if
you
need
to
use
the
restroom
just
exit
the
doors
here,
you
don't
have
to
go
back
downstairs
just
to
the
right
of
the
staircase.
There
are
restrooms
subject
to
the
agenda
once
your
item
is
completed,
you're
welcome
to
leave
the
meeting
or
you
can
stick
around
and
listen
and
learn.
B
There
will
be
a
five-minute
break
in
the
meeting
around
three
or
three
30
if
that
would
be
needed.
So
that's
our
background
again.
We'll
help
everybody
through
it.
So
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
our
agenda
and
it
looks
like
bert.
Drost
is
going
to
help
us
out
with
that
bert.
Do
we
have
any
changes
to
the.
C
Bert
ross
planning
staff
for
the
city
of
des
moines.
We
do
not
have
any
items
on
our
consent
agenda
that
we've
received
opposition
to.
So
unless
there's
somebody
here
in
the
audience
who
is
wanting
to
speak
in
opposition
to
items
one
through
ten,
those
are
eligible
to
stay
on
the
consent
agenda,
and
then
we
also
had
four
items
on
the
discussion
portion
of
the
agenda.
C
11
is
a
request
from
the
neighborhood
development
corporation
at
3121
forest
avenue,
they're
wanting
some
signs
for
a
new
cases
that
would
be
constructed.
There
item
number
12,
I'm
sorry
item
number
13
was
a
request
from
a
small
grocery
store
at
2312
university
avenue
in
the
drake
neighborhood.
It's
an
existing
small
grocery
store.
They
want
to
add
wine
and
beer.
C
We've
received
an
opposition
to
that
item.
Number
14
is
a
conditional
use
for
a
record
store
at
506
east
6th
street
marv's
record
they're
wanting
to
be
able
to
sell
wine
and
beer
during
special
events
that
are
held
in
their
space
and
then
item.
Five
is
a
request
for
signage
at
334,
south
west,
8th
street
15,
yeah
yeah
item
15.
Sorry,.
B
That's
cool
okay.
So
so
what
we'll
do
here
again?
Help
everybody
through
this
staff
is
proposing
adding
some
items
to
consent
agenda
we'll
come
back
to
consent
in
a
minute,
but
by
adding
the
items
we
would
not
plan
to
individually
discuss
these
items.
We
would
be
looking
at
approving
the
requested
permits,
exceptions,
etc.
C
One
change
the
agenda.
Frank
just
made
me
aware
of
it.
Yes,
item
number
three
is
a
request
for
conditional
use
at
1100
east
beardsley
street.
They
need
to
request
a
continuance
to
the
november
7th
meeting
so
that
they
can
have.
They
can
do
the
required
neighborhood
outreach,
all
right
and
then
one
other
thing
I
should
mention
is
that
the
agenda
item
for
item
number
two
has
been
changed
very
slightly.
C
B
Okay,
all
right
boy:
this
is
like
advanced
math
here
on
adding
and
subtracting
items.
So
I
think
what
we'll
do
here
is,
first
of
all
what
we
would
want
to
add
to
the
con.
Well,
let's
go
ahead
and
do
our
continuance
first,
I
think
yeah
would
would
that
be
wise.
So
there's
a
proposal
to
continue
item
number
three,
which
is
a
conditional
use
permit
near
1100,
east
beardsley,
street
south
side
of
the
city.
I
believe
to
continue
that
to
the
next
regularly
scheduled
hearing
of
this
board,
so
they
can
do
some
neighborhood
outreach.
C
B
B
B
There's
a
proposal
to
move
item
11
a
zoning
exception
request
at
3121
forest
avenue
related
to
some
proposed
signage
for
casey's
general
store
development.
Is
there
anybody
in
the
audience?
This
is
where
you
get
to
participate
now?
Is
there
anybody
in
the
audience
who
would
object
to
granting
the
requested
exceptions
on
item
11.?
If
you
would
object
to
that?
Just
raise
your
hand
for
the
moment
and
we'll
put
it
on
our
regular
agenda
and
hear
that
item.
Anybody
here
in
opposition
to
item
11.
any
hands
seeing
none.
B
Okay
item
13
same
process,
a
conditional
use
permit
request
at
2312
university
avenue
related
to
the
limited
sale
of
alcohol
in
relation
to
a
retail
business.
Anybody
here
that
would
object
to
granting
approval
for
that
on
item
13
just
raise
your
hand,
okay,
seeing
none
item
14
same
thing:
conditional
use,
requests
at
506
e6
street
to
consider
the
on-premise
sale
of
wine
or
beer
during
special
events
in
accessory
to
a
retail
record
music
sales
store.
B
B
B
So
I'm
going
to
read
through
these
in
order
and
again,
if
anybody
would
object
to
any
of
these
items,
just
please
raise
your
hand
and
then
we
will
move
those
to
the
regular
portion
of
the
agenda
and
if
there
are
no
objections,
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
approving
those
items
so
item
one.
A
conditional
use
permit
request
at
901.
Second
avenue
anybody
an
objection
to
that
item
from
the
audience.
B
Seeing
none
item
two:
that's
a
conditional
use,
permit
request
for
the
relocation
of
some
green
houses
and
outdoor
storage
and
growing
areas
was
listed
as
one
greenhouse.
There
will
be
three
anybody
object
to
granting
approvals
on
item
two
for
that:
okay,
seeing
none
three
is
removed
item
four:
a
zoning
exception
request
at
401
southeast
6th
street.
Any
objections
there
item
5
a
conditional
use,
permit
request
at
101
63rd
street
any
objections
from
the
audience.
B
Okay
item:
six
is
zoning
exception,
request,
6150
southeast
14th
same
sign.
Seeing
none
item.
Seven,
a
zoning
exception
request
at
611
fifth
avenue
any
objections.
There.
Okay
item:
eight,
a
zoning
exception
request
at
2590,
hubble
avenue
any
objections
on
that
one.
Seeing
none
item
nine
conditional
use,
permit
request
near
1734,
east
12th,
any
objection
and
item
10.
a
similar
request,
I
believe
in
the
vicinity
of
1123
44th
street.
Anybody
opposed
to
that
from
the
audience.
B
Second,
by
nathan,
all
those
in
favor
all
right
motion
carries
seven
to
zero.
So
if
you
were
here
for
one
two,
four
through
11
or
13
through
15
they've,
been
approved,
give
us
about
a
week
and
we
will
get
that
to
you
in
the
mail.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
down
and
we'll
let
a
few
people
clear
out
here
and
then
we'll
move
to
our
regular
portion
of
the
agenda.
B
F
Good
afternoon
mr
chair
members
of
the
board,
catherine
j
house,
planner
for
the
city
of
des
moines,
so
this
is
a
conditional
use
request
to
allow
recycling
within
an
existing
warehouse
building
an
outdoor
storage
yard
located
at
1623
east
17th
street.
Let's
see
so
just
give
you
a
little
context.
F
This
is
this
site,
I'm
actually
going
to
zoom
in
just
a
little
bit
the
property,
but
I
would
say
it's
a
little
easier
see
if
I
can
highlight
they're,
essentially
looking
at
utilizing.
I
believe
this
portion
of
the
property,
the
appellant,
can
provide
a
little
bit
of
clarification,
but
they
won't
actually
be
using
the
entire
property.
F
F
This
previously
housed
a
auto
recycling
business
that
one
is
now
gone
and
the
property
owners
are
allowing
are
allowing
a
family
business
to
move
in.
That
does
much
of
the
same
type
of
work
that
did
previously
previously
exist
here
they
are
in
line
to,
as
you
saw
with,
that
site
plan.
They've
started
working
on
preparing
some
site
plans
so
that
they
can
get
into
compliance
with
135
as
well.
F
F
G
F
Let's
see
basically
proper
screening,
anything
that
needs
to
be
done
indoors
should
be
done
indoors,
not
stacking
above
the
perimeter
fence,
let's
see
I'd,
say
other
than
the
standards
we
also
added
in
kind
of
reinforcing
built-in
suspenders,
the
all
of
the
outdoor
storage
requirements
that
we
look
for
as
well
as
conditions
and
then
kind
of
the
big.
One,
of
course,
is
simply
that
the
zoning
enforcement
officer
may
bring
this
back
to
the
board
at
any
time
it
is
deemed
a
nuisance
or
in
violation
of
its
conditions
of
approval.
F
H
F
And
then
they
gave
us
a
little
bit
additional
emphasis
and
then
a
bit
more.
F
B
F
That's
a
solid
question.
I
don't
believe
we
put
anything
in
that
says
that
they
could
not
use
the
entire
site
you're
right,
but
they
did
provide
us
information
and
there
is
another
business
on
the
other
side
of
the
warehouse.
So.
E
B
B
B
Okay,
all
right,
okay
and
a
question:
I've
got
so
it's
my
just.
I
don't
know
colloquial
or
my
memory
that
there
was
an
auto
salvage
operation
at
this
location.
Previous,
so
did
the
use
cease
for
a
long
enough
period.
That
quote
grandfathering.
Rights
did
not
allow
this
to
be
reopened
without
again
having
to
come
in
for
a
special
permit
and
meet
site
plan.
B
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you
very
much,
okay.
So
for
those
who
are
here
the
way
this
next
part
of
the
hearing
works,
the
applicant
has
up
to
10
minutes
to
address
the
board
and
they
can
give
their
reasoning
for
their
request
and
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
let
the
applicant
step
up-
and
we
just
need
your
name
sir,
and
your
address
of
business-
and
you
got
10
minutes
to
tell
us
what
you'd
like
to
do.
B
I
I
I
We
had
an
offer
to
sell
it
august
20th
took
that
offer
and
knowing
we
still
had
the
building
at
1623
17th.
We
wanted
to
move
into
that
building
and
and
so
used
all
the
parts
not
operate
as
a
standard
junkyard
but
sell
used
other
parts
through
e-commerce,
ebay
and
that
kind
of
stuff.
We
don't.
We
don't
want
people
coming
to
the
junkyard
for
lack
of
a
better
turn.
We'd
rather
be
called
auto
recyclers.
But
it's
just
one
of
those
things.
I
I
work
with
an
auto
salvage
facility
in
van
meter
and
right
now,
I'm
selling
him
95
percent
of
the
vehicles
that
come
in,
so
I'm
not
processing
anything
there.
I'm
not
doing
anything
there
on
the
statement
of
the
building
we
lease
out
the
north
half
of
that
building
and
the
property.
So
we
have
no
what
the
question
earlier
that
we
have
no
use
for
that
at
this
time.
I
don't
I
don't
ever
see
a
use
of
it.
Downsizing
has
been
a
has
been
a
plus
for
us,
especially
trying
to
find
employees.
I
So
just
some
of
the
stuff
I've
been
working
on
we're
also
part
of
a
what
we
call
icare
certification,
it's
iowa,
certified
automotive,
automotive
recycler
environmental
program,
we're
a
part
of
that.
So
all
vehicles
are
drained.
If
we
would
happen
to
dismantle
them
there,
we
don't
plan
on
it,
so
that
kind
of
stuff.
I
I
Trust
me,
I,
the
the
drawing
that
you
saw
on
there
was
actually
done
by
somebody
on
1
800
site
plans,
which
I
know
I
have
to
have
a
professional
have
to
have
it
stamped
in
that,
but
that
that's
what
the
site
plan
came
from,
and
so
just
some
of
the
stuff
we're
working
on
not
wanting
to
be
your
typical
junkyard
in
the
city
of
des
moines,
but
just
a
place
where
these
end
of
life
vehicles
can
go
and
and
so
that's
our
plan.
I
G
B
Okay,
all
right
well,
thank
you
mike
no
questions
for
the
moment,
we'll
go
ahead
and
proceed
with
the
next
portion
of
any
comments
or
testimony.
Is
there
anybody
here
that
wishes
to
speak
in
support
of
the
applicant's
request?
B
B
D
Mr
swift
certainly
seems
like
a
reputable
businessman,
so
I
I
would
support
this
conditional
use
permit
for
him.
I
mean
four
generations.
He.
A
D
D
B
Good
comment:
I
bought
some
junk
parts
or
used
auto
parts-
I
should
say
here
and
there
across
the
city
and
the
decades-
and
I
think
mr
swift
has
had
a
reputation
of
being
a
good
business
person
in
his
industry
and
from
the
proposal
here
and
with
staff
comments.
I
would
be
supportive
as
well.
Anybody
else
have
any
other
thoughts
or
emotions.
B
B
F
F
F
They
did
inform
us
that
they
are
intending
to
expand
to
provide
additional
off-street
parking
at
this
location
and
they
are
looking
to
use
primarily
the
portion
of
the
building.
That's
facing
southwest
ninth,
let's
see
in
this
set
I've
got
a
little
bit,
so
they
did
provide
us
with
some
technical
drawings.
So
we
can
get
a
little
bit
a
better
understanding
of
where
they're
going
when
they
go
through
the
site
plan
process,
so
existing
parking
and
then
the
shaded
area
would
be
the
additional
parking
and
the
improved
access
from
southwest
9th.
F
F
F
That
should
there
be
any
time
that
this
becomes
a
nuisance
or
has
any
violations
of
this
process.
The
zoning
enforcement
officer
can
bring
it
back
to
the
board.
So
that's
just
a
standard
reminder
that
that
is
in
our
code.
We
did
receive
one
comment
card
back
just
outside
the
200
foot
buffer
area,
and
they
are
in
support
as
well
I'll
zoom
in
on
that.
F
F
And
then
a
summary
I
can
zoom
in
on
any
of
this.
If
you'd
like
we
did,
they
did
show
us
that
they
did
receive
one
emailed
request
asking
for
additional
information
that
they
followed
up
on.
If
you
have
any
questions
for
me
at
this
time,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
them.
B
H
F
I
believe
it's
part
of
an
existing
building
and
an
existing
business.
Excuse
me
existing
business.
They
did
have
when
I
drove
by
and
took
the
site
photos.
They
did
have
a
jackson,
hewitt
signage
on
there,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
that's
still
the
predominant
business
there,
I'm
afraid
I'm
unaware,
but.
B
And
catherine
another
one
again
not
to
be
a
curveball
here,
but
I
see
we've
got
there
have
been
uses
have
been
in
and
out
of
this
building
over
time,
there's
been
times,
I'm
not
sure.
If
it's
open
or
closed
or
what's
going
on
there
is
there
an
opportunity
to
get
the
pole
sign
taken
down
there
or
would
that
be
is?
Is
there
anything
within
the
zoning
ordinance
which
would
have
said
that
hey,
if
we
don't
have
a
use,
the
sign
needs
to
go.
F
Signage
would
be
under
chapter
134.
I
might
actually
defer
to
bert
on
this
one
or
eric,
but.
B
C
B
All
right,
if
we
need
to
we
can
come
back
to
that,
but
if
you're
just
wanted
to
make
a
note
of
that
all
right,
any
other
questions
for
catherine
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much
we'll
go
ahead
and
hear
from
the
applicant.
Whoever
would
like
to
represent
the
applicant
you've
got
up
to
10
minutes
to
present
your
reasoning
for
us
to
grant
you
a
conditional
use
request.
B
J
J
I
wanted
to
just
give
the
board
an
introduction
to
kingdom
living
what
they
do.
Why
they're
requesting
this
conditional
use
kingdom
living
is
a
non-profit
located
in
des
moines
that
serves
over
200
residents,
who
are
working
against
addiction
and
working
in
recovery.
They
provide
housing
of
approximately
100
residents
in
the
city
of
des
moines,
scattered
across
10
sites
within
the
city,
and
they
served
over
200
total
residents
last
year.
J
H
J
Yes,
ms
smith
did
thank
you.
The
meeting
yeah
mike
can.
K
High
is
fine.
Thank
you.
I'm
mike
madden,
I'm
with
kingdom
living
iowa
4000
southwest
9th,
is
the
business
address
so
yeah
the
parking
is
according
to
your
regulations,
so
I'm
not
used
to
talking
the
language
so
I'll
do
the
best
that
I
can
so
according
to
regulations.
According
to
city
code,
we
can
do
six,
you
know
per
parking
space
and
we've
been
working
and
looking
at
that
we're
expanding
out.
The
idea
is
to
expand
out
the
parking
to
get
us
up
around
roughly
the
interior
gets
us.
K
You
know
at
50
in
one
space
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
We've
had
that
concern.
We
also
so
like
the
parking
increases
us
up
to.
I
think
right
around
130.
I
don't
remember
exactly
right
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
then,
on
top
of
that,
we
also
own
the
the
studio
that
is
at
40
20,
that's
right
next
door!
That's
we
own
that
and
we
and
it's
rented
two
that
we
rent
that
out.
K
B
So
whoever
wants
to
answer
this,
but
since
michael
was
there
was
talking
about
parking
now
there
there
may
be
some
folks
who
it
might
be
more
convenient
or
appropriate
for
for
them
to
you
know,
access
this
by
bus
route
does
dart
service
this
location.
You
got
a
bus,
stop
there.
K
Yes,
we
do
have
a
lot
of
clients
that
use
buses
and
it's
right
in
between
the
two
buildings
right
there:
okay.
B
May
yeah?
Okay!
So
when
you
own
a
property,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
requirements
in
winter
weather,
you've
got
to
keep
sidewalks
clear.
You've
got
to
do
property
maintenance,
keep
your
lawn
mowed!
I
know
these
types
of
operations
sometimes
rely
on
lots
of
assistance
or
donations
or
seeking
grants.
Are
you
guys
prepared
to
keep
the
place
in
good
shape
there?
As
you
carry
out
your
good
mission.
K
Yep,
so
we
have
one
of
our
residents,
it's
actually
mowing
right
now
we
had
a
little
bit
of
struggle
right
at
first
getting
the
moat,
and
then
we
got
that
straightened
up.
We
got
one
of
our
residents
mowing
right
now:
jesse
actually
plowed
snow.
So
so
you
know
that's
going
to
be
our
snow
removal,
we'll
use
some
of
our
residents
as
service
work
and
doing
some
of
that
stuff,
and
we
also-
and
I'm
going
to
add
to
this-
we
we
want
to
be
a
good
neighbor.
K
We
want
to
be
a
we
want
to.
We
want
to
increase
the
value
of
that.
I
mean
it's
a
property
that
we
now
have
and
it's
like.
We
want
to
increase
that
property.
We
want
to
increase
that.
Not
only
are
we
showing
what
kingdom
living
is,
but
we're
also
showing
the
city
what
recovery
is,
and
we
want
to
be
a
good
representative
of
that.
Okay.
D
K
Well,
we
have
okay.
Just
to
we
have
one
large
meeting
that
we
have
on
monday
nights
that
we've
out
we've.
Actually
that's
actually
outgrown
that
space.
We
hold
it
at
grace,
church
over
on
the
east
side,
because
we've
actually
outgrown
that
space
for
our
large
medium.
Our
plan,
where
you
have
no
gatherings
right
now,
because
we
can't
have
gatherings
but
but
you
know
we're
using
it
as
office
space
and
doing
a
little
bit
of
orientations
in
there,
but
we
will
have
smaller
gatherings
per
code.
K
B
K
K
The
whole
building
is
currently
just
used,
not
used,
and
then
that
back
portion
that
you
were
talking
about
we're
using
it
as
warehouse
space,
as
indicated
on
there
right
now
and
we're
storing
some
like
donated
items
there,
that
when
people
come
in
off
the
street
or
by
chance
they,
you
know
not
people
coming
in
off
the
street,
but
when
we
have
residents
they
come
and
we
get
them
clothes
and
hygiene
products
and
stuff
like
that,
we're
storing
that
back
there
right
now,
gotcha.
I.
B
G
K
A
B
B
L
My
name
is
stephen
fatino.
I
live
at
907
marion
street
des
moines,
iowa
50315..
My
property
is
directly
adjacent
south
of
this
property.
This
property
has
been
very
disturbing
and
interrupting
to
our
neighborhood,
because
the
parking
lot
is
not
sufficient
to
hold
the
gatherings
that
have
been
going
on
there.
The
gatherings
have
been
going
on
there
since
the
day
that
they
bought
the
building.
L
I
provided
jesse
torres
the
last
two
weeks
of
showing
the
congestion-ness
of
the
parking
lot
and
what
happens
when
meetings,
let
out
meetings
start.
Sometimes
people
start
gathering
I'll
use.
The
word
gathering
approximately
at
five
o'clock,
five
thirty
in
the
afternoon,
it
usually
consists
out
till
about
eight
o'clock.
In
the
evening
I
provided
the
parking
lot
pictures
mainly
to
show
this
parking
lot
does
not
is
not
able
to
hold
that
many
vehicles.
They
have
vehicles,
parting
vertical
vehicles,
parking
horizontal
behind
the
vertical
and
vice
versa.
L
So
that
was
my
main
concern
is
the
parking
lot.
It
does
not
measure
and
where
it
can
even
house,
I'm
not
sure
how
they're
getting
by
with
holding
these
meetings
now
because
of
a
fire
or
anything,
would
break
out
good
luck
because
there
be
no
way
to
get
anything
in
or
anything
out.
I
do
observe
sometimes
that
people
are
being
dropped
off
on
on
southwest
9th
because
of
the
parking
and
people
are
being
picked
up
after
the
meeting
on
southwest
9th
blocking
traffic
at
southwest,
9th
and
watchers
being
picked
up
from
the
meeting.
Why?
L
Because
there
is
no
sufficient
or
adequate
parking
for
this
building.
This
building
does
not
support
that
type
of
parking.
Never
has,
and
never
will
I've
been
there
for
30
years.
I
know
exactly
what
business
that
have
been
there.
I've
never
had
a
problem.
I've
never
been
to
the
city
council.
I've
never
filed
a
complaint,
so
that
is
pretty
much
that
I've
not
seen
anywhere
in
these
plans
where
they're
allowing
for
a
green
space,
I'm
not
seeing
anywhere
where
there's
a
runoff.
My
sense,
my
backyard
is
directly
behind
it.
L
I
don't
see
anywhere
in
the
plans
for
a
green
space
or
to
show
where
they're
going
to
have
a
runoff
for
the
water.
Is
the
water
going
to
come
off
into
my
yard
into
my
neighbor's
yard?
This
parking
lot
would
come
right
up
within
inches
of
my
property
line
and
probably
10
feet
from
the
back
of
my
deck.
L
I
cannot
stop
it
because
I
can't
get
a
fence
up
all
the
way
to
the
end
of
the
parking
lot
like
it
has
been
for
the
last
25
years.
A
few
of
the
people
have
knocked
the
fence
down.
The
sections
have
been
removed
and
never
put
back
up.
Therefore,
this
whole
entire
parking
lot
is
exposed
to
me
and
these
gatherings
of
people
every
thursday.
L
We
also
have
homeless
living
behind
that
building.
I've
had
to
call
the
police.
I
don't
know
how
many
times
for
homeless,
going
behind
that
building
and
staying
and
sleeping
there,
and
when
I
call
the
police,
the
only
thing
they
tell
me
to
do
is
contact
the
planning
in
sony,
which
is
what
they
tell
me
to
do,
so
I'm
very
opposed
to
it.
I
don't
think
that
it
is
what
our
neighborhood
needs
or
wants.
L
We
have
a
lot
of
small
children
in
our
neighborhood
and
we're
just
not
I'm
just
not
seeing
anything
in
here
where
anything
good
would
come
out
of
it
other
than
the
fact
the
rehabilitation
for
these
people.
I
don't
disagree
with.
I
think
it's
a
good
thing.
I
just
don't
think
that
he
or
this
building
can
actually
do
what
they
wanted
to
do.
L
So
the
other
thing
is
in
something
like
this:
do
do
we
have
do
we
have
length
of
time
of
the
project?
We
have
a
start
date.
Do
we
have
a
finish
date.
B
All
right,
do
you
have
anything
else?
You
want
to
add,
sir
your
time's
about
up
that'll.
Do
it?
Would
you
be
prepared
to
take
a
few
questions
from
the
board
sure,
so
I'm
just
going
to
kick
off
with
the
first
one.
You
said:
there's
some
homeless
hanging
out
there
that
may
or
may
not
be
related
to
activities
on
the
site.
Were
these
homeless
people
there
before
operations
began?
B
As
far
as
the
you,
you
said,
they
were
operating
as
back
in
may
already,
with
their
meetings
were
these
homeless
people
there,
like
a
year
ago,
no
so
they've
only
kind
of
started
showing
up
once
these
meetings
started
occurring.
L
B
Okay
and
just
for
the
geography
now
do
you
live
directly
south
of
this
location.
That's
correct,
yeah,
okay
and
then
so
so
you
have
your
house
garage
there
to
the
south,
and
then
you
also
own
an
undeveloped
parcel
as
well
to
your
west
is.
B
E
It
seems
like
the
the
focus
of
your
concerns.
I
mean
you
have
a
few,
but
the
the
biggest
one
is
with
respect
to
parking
and
the
insufficiency
of
there's
just
not
enough
parking
right
now,
but
they've
talked
about
doing
like
expanding
the
parking
lot,
but
it
sounds
like
you're
kind
of
opposed
to
that
idea
as
well.
Is
that
right.
E
L
L
L
That
was
mr
laser
and
that
gentleman
owned
a
operation
where,
at
the
time
they
replenished
cartridges,
ink
cartridges
and
such
yep
and
he
would
just
have.
He
did
a
lot
of
delivery
because
people
in
the
offices,
but
he
would
have
people
once
in
a
while
pull
in
there
drop
off
a
cartridge,
get
back
in
the
car
and
leave
right.
But
it
was
it
never
was
a
problem
or
anything
and.
B
L
And
we
had
that
little
jackson-
hewitt
thing
in
there
that
wasn't
that
long,
but
to
be
honest
with
you
the
whole
time
that
the
other
gentleman
owned
the
building,
it
wasn't
really
being
occupied
right,
so
it's
never
been
really
and
he
built
that
parking
lot.
I
remember
when
he
took
over
the
building.
Okay,
so.
B
All
right
great
all
right!
Well,
thank
you
for
coming
down
today,
mr
fatino.
Thank
you.
You
bet,
okay,
anybody
else
to
speak
in
opposition,
seeing
none
before
we
get
back
to
the
appellant.
Do
we
have
any
further
questions
for
staff.
B
Yeah,
I
I
think
we
want
city
staff
to
address
some
of
that,
because
I'd
have
a
related
question.
I
don't
see
any
appeals
for
parking
unless
I
miss
those-
and
I
know
some
of
the
ordinance
has
changed
on
that
right.
But
how
has
staff
looked
at
parking
here
or
right,
how's
that
work
sure.
C
C
So
there's
probably
a
lesser
screening
requirement
than
say
along
the
west
property
line
that
is
owned,
n5,
which
is
a
one
family
or
one
household
low
density
residential
district.
So
there
will
be
more
screening
requirements
needed
from
the
left
hand
side.
As
far
as
that
site
plan,
it'll
have
to
meet
minimum
required.
Off-Street
parking
and
they'll
have
to
identify
how
large
their
assembly
space
is,
and
then
they'll
have
to
provide
the
minimum
number
of
off-street
parking
spaces.
Based
on
that
space,
I'm
not
sure
how
many,
if
you,
between
directing
how
many
spaces
they'll
need.
B
C
Well,
they
would
need
one
per
six
seats
if
it's
a
fixed
seating
in
the
auditorium
and
the
parking
is
a
design
standard.
So
any
appeal
for
that
would
go
to
the
plan
and
zoning
commission.
G
E
E
Yeah,
but
they
were
talking
about,
I
mean
we
when
we
can
talk
with
them
later,
but
they
were
talking
about
130
and
I
what
I
inferred
was
they
were.
That
was
extrapolated
by
whatever
tentative
plans
they
have
for
a
parking
plan
right,
but
but
to
the
point
made
earlier,
I
think
it
was
cindy.
E
That's
not
necessarily
our
purview,
it's
it's
a
city
requirement
that
they
have
capacity
limits
based
on
whatever
expected.
I
mean
the
200
that
was
mentioned
in
here
is
just
kind
of
whatever
you
guys
were
talking
about,
but
they'd
actually
be
limited
further,
based
on
the
amount
of
parking
that
they
could
build.
B
B
C
It
has
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
code
for
granting
the
conditional
uses
all
right.
The
staff
report.
B
Okay,
all
right
anything
else
for
staff.
Okay,
I
do
see
that
our
illustrious
zoning
enforcement
officer
is
kind
of
hanging
eric.
Is
there
anything
you'd
like
to
add.
M
M
This
initially
came
for
pre-op
back
in
march
of
this
year,
inquiring
about
the
ability
to
do
this
activity
on
the
property
and
they
were
given
the
steps
they
needed
to
take
to
follow
the
psych
plan
and
conditional
use
process
at
the
time.
M
Since
that
time,
any
enforcement
has
stayed
when
they
filed
for
the
board
to
request
the
conditional
use
and
they've
also
submitted
a
site
plan
for
initial
review
for
the
use.
The
question
came
up
about
the
poll
sign.
If
you
read
our
code,
134
7.3.7,
the
change
of
use
within
the
premise
triggers
the
requirement
to
comply
with
the
monument
type
sign.
If
they
want
a
free
standing
sign
and
that
the
room
the
whole
sign
would
be
removed,
they
would
have
the
remedy
of
seeking
a
variance.
D
M
So,
there's
a
standard
for
a
certain
type
of
buffer
yard,
that's
in
chapter
135
that
goes
through
planning
and
they
can
seek
design
alternatives
to
those
requirements,
as
he,
as
bert
indicated,
based
on
the
zoning.
A
different
type
of
buffering
requirement
that
would
include
plant
material
and
fencing
would
be
involved
with
that
they
could
seek
design
alternatives
to
that,
but
that
would
be
enforced
through
the
site
plan
review.
M
Once
the
site
plan
improvements
are
in
place,
enforcement
staff
does
go
out
and
verify
the
site
is
in
compliance
with
an
inspection,
and
they
would
issue
in
tandem
with
the
certificate
of
occupancy
for
the
assembly
space
in
the
building
as
a
certificate
of
occupancy.
At
that
point
in
time,
occasionally
we
hit
the
time
of
year
where
plant
material
isn't
appropriate
and
we
issue
a
temporary
certificate
of
occupancy,
giving
them
some
time
to
install
plant
materials
at
a
different
point
in
time
in
the
future.
B
Eric
to
follow
up
on
on
something
you
mentioned,
you
had
said
they'd
inquired
with
you
in
march
about
this
use.
I
believe
they
bought
the
property
in
may.
If
I'm
correct
at
the
time,
you
or
others
discussed
it
with
them,
was
there
a
discussion
that
hey
you
can
inquire
about
this,
but
you
can't
do
this
unless
you
have
approvals
and
it's
my
understanding
that
they
went
ahead
and
conducted
the
use
is.
M
That
correct
there
was
some
ability
to
occupy
immediately
in
in
some
of
the
office
space,
okay,
but
there
was
no
indication
that
they
would
be
allowed
with
the
assembly
function.
B
Thank
you
and
one
other
one
kind
of
chicken
in
the
egg
here
sometimes
if
somebody
has
drafted
a
site
plan,
it
can
be
helpful
for
us
to
see
what
they're
proposing
to
do
so
in
this
case,
no
site
plan
has
been
drafted.
Yet.
Is
that
correct?
That's
well.
M
I
just
was
look
in
the
system
and
I
noticed
that
the
site
plan
had
been
submitted
for
review.
It
might
be
in
the
very
initial
stages
of
getting
this
distributed.
We
have
a
new
system
entergo,
where
those
reviews
are
done
online
through
another
program
called
bluebeam
review,
and
so
hopefully
those
are
fairly
efficient.
D
One
other
question
that
the
number
200
keeps
coming
up
in
my
head
and
we
don't
have
us.
We
haven't
seen
a
specific
site
plan
to
say
you
know
x,
number
of
vehicles
or
x,
number
of
parking
spaces
or
fencing,
or
any
of
that.
So
is
that
if
we
were
so
inclined
to
approve
this,
would
that
number
be
a
hard
fast
number
that
the
applicant
could
come
back
and
say
hey
there
was
200
stated.
This
is
how
many
we
want,
or
will
the
site
plan
dictate?
M
M
You
know
fire
codes
and
space.
You
know
you
always
see
that
posted
with
the
maximum
occupancy.
I
think
that'll
probably
be
the
more
limiting
factor
the
200
may
have
been
based.
You
can
ask
the
applicant,
I
think,
but
imagine
that
200
was
a
max
based
on
what
their
occupant
load
could
be
using
that
space.
I
don't
know
if
that's
their
intention
to
always
have
200
folks.
G
E
E
M
I
would
say
either
administratively
or
through
planet
zoning
commission,
that
would
you
know
that
approval
would
have
to
be
based
on
an
analysis
of
whether
that
was
an
adequate
amount
of
parking
or
you
know
or
didn't,
even
if
it
didn't
meet
the
absolute
standard
in
the
code.
So
there's
instances
where
that
occurs.
You
know
in
a
site
plan
where
there
may
be
less
parking
than
what
the
standard
would
say,
but
we
issue
a
type
1
or
type
2
design
alternative,
whether
that's
administratively
or
through,
through
the
plan
and
zoning
commission
to
lower
that
amount.
C
B
C
C
That's
probably
not
the
best
map,
but
on
this
map
you
can
see
that
the
property
is
owned.
Mx1,
but
the
property
immediately
to
the
south
is
the
commercial
rx1
district
right
then
to
the
west
is
n5
neighborhood,
so
they
only
have
to
provide
a
buffer
along
the
west
property
line.
So
in
hindsight,
staff
probably
should
have
recommended
the
condition
to
require
a.
A
C
C
B
Oh
as
far
as
the
requirement
to
happen
right,
okay,
but
it
it
would
be
my
impression
from
mr
fatino-
and
I
just
think,
with
the
topography
it
does
drain
kind
of
toward
the
south.
So
but
maybe
the
appellant
can
answer
some
of
that:
yeah.
B
Okay,
anything
else
for
city
staff,
all
right!
Thank
you,
mr
drost.
Okay.
So
the
way
this
hearing
works
now
the
appellant
has
up
to
three
minutes
for
any
rebuttal
or
closing
comments.
So
if
there's
anything
you've
heard
anything
you
want
to
give
us
answers
on.
This
is
your
chance
to
wrap
up
your
argument.
J
It's
it's
unfortunate
that
we
didn't
hear
from
mr
fatino
during
the
feedback
process
that
we
had
and
we
could
have
addressed
some
of
his
concerns
with
him
during
that
process
and
but
I
think
a
lot
of
the
the
concerns
have
been
addressed
already,
but
to
just
to
confirm.
We
have
submitted
a
site
plan.
That's
currently
under
review.
The
site
plan
provides
for
additional
parking
spaces
by
my
count.
J
It's
up
to
24
parking
spaces
that
would
be
on
the
site
plan
and
our
our
proposed
use
would
be
not
to
exceed
the
limitations
that
would
be
established
under
the
site
plan
based
on
either
building
occupancy
requirements
for
the
building
code
or
fire
code
or
based
on
the
number
of
parking
spots
available.
So
the
number
200
was
put
in
at
the
early
stages
of
this
application
process.
J
But
if
the,
if
the
occupancy
limits
based
on
the
other
requirements,
wouldn't
permit
that,
then
we
would
not
exceed
the
permitted
occupancy
based
on
the
site
plan
review
as
far
as
like
a
fencing
or
screening
on
the
south
side
of
the
property.
But
we
don't
have
a
problem
doing
that.
If
that's
a
concern-
and
I
think
the
other
thing
that
I
really
wanted
to
address-
was
the
alleged
improper
use
that
has
happened
that
mr
fittino
was
was
discussing.
J
Those
are
not
the
the
folks
who
are
those
are
for
orientation
where
people
are
working
like
one-on-one,
it's
not
a
meeting
that
is
taking
place.
So
those
are
those
are
it's
it's
just
a
one-on-one
kind
of
orientation
thing.
I
think
mr
madden
can
probably
talk
more
about
that.
If
the
board
has
specific
questions
about
that,
but
just
wanted
to
clear
that
up
that
those
were
not
meetings
that
were
being
conducted
happy
to
answer
any
other
questions.
A
That
did
happen,
one
that
did
happen.
One
time
when
we
first
got
the
building,
we
thought
hey,
we
can
just
have
a
meeting
and
we
probably
had
80
people
in
there
and
they
parked
on
that
street
on
both
the
joining
streets.
Then
we
got
a
call
from
sue
and
we
said
oh,
and
that
was
it
so
other
than
that.
No
that's
never
happened.
D
Mr
fatino
also
mentioned
some
homeless
folks
or
some
folks
staying
behind
the
building
is
there
I'm
not
sure
that
you
obviously
don't
have
control
over
that,
but
he's
he.
That
was
one
of
his
concerns.
Also,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
would
like
to
address
that
as
well.
J
Ms
smith,
you've
you've
encapsulated
what
I
was
going
to
say.
You
know
regarding
any
unhoused
persons
and
we
don't
have
control
over
that.
I
don't
think
that
we
have
any
reason
called.
B
H
A
B
M
B
I
must
admit
I,
the
concept
I
was
supportive
of
this-
looked
like
a
pretty
good
sized
building,
but
by
the
same
token,
it
doesn't
look
like
we
have
a
good
size
parking
lot
and
I
still
have
a
difficulty
understanding
how
all
this
is
going
to
fit.
If
we
give
a
conditional
use
for
something
that
maybe
I'm
not
sure
really
does
fit
the
neighborhood,
the
proposal
was
for
meetings
up
to
200..
That
was
the
proposal.
It
wasn't
a
proposal
for
40
or
50
or
whatever
fits
it,
was
a
proposal
for
up
to
200..
B
B
B
E
I
think
they've
made
their
case
and-
and
I
think
everyone's
aware
that,
if
they
don't
meet
any
of
those,
the
zoning
enforcement
officer
will
bring
it
back
to
us.
So
I'm
I'm
that
gives
me
some
comfort.
E
I
I
agree
with
marloes
and
I
think
we
should,
I
guess,
I'd
support
it
and
I
think
we
should
include
some
sort
of
screen
requirement
for
the
southern
edge
and
then
trust
that
you
know
the
other
city,
ordinances
and
requirements
and
conditions
that
are
in
place
in
the
city
code
throughout
the
process
are
going
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
we've
heard
with
respect
to
parking
in
particular
and
then
understand
that
the
the
applicant
is
going
to
be
motivated
to
make
sure
that
they're
not
a
nuisance
to
the
neighbors,
otherwise
they'll
be
back
before
us.
E
Yeah,
I
will,
I
will
move
staff
recommendation
and
add
a
condition
that
the
we
include
a
screening
requirement.
That's
the
same
as
I
guess,
what's
included
for
an
n5
district
for
the
the
southern
boundary.
B
Judy
judy
good
for
them
yep
yep
all
right,
so
we
got
a
motion
by
nathan
and
a
second
by
cindy
to
approve
the
conditional
use,
permit
request,
subject
to
the
nine
general
conditions,
plus
the
addition
of
appropriate
screening
that
would
comply
with
normal
residential
to
the
property
directly
to
the
south,
owned
owned
by
the
gentleman
that
was
present
here.
B
All
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand,
one
two,
three
four
five
six,
I'm
just
gonna
say
no,
but
it
carries
so
motion
carries
six
to
one
so,
just
like
our
vice
chair
said
guys,
give
it
your
best
shot.
Follow
your
site
plan,
be
a
good
neighbor
and
you'll
be
doing
good
things
for
your
clients,
all
right.
That
concludes
item
number
16.,
so
just
a
general
business.
Besides
our
minutes
anything
else
bert.
I.
C
Was
gonna
have
a
couple
things
we
have
to
approve
the
minutes.
We
have
to
approve
the
2022
meeting
calendar
and
then
I
was
going
to
introduce
our
newest
planner.
B
Yes,
let's
go
ahead
and
do
the
minutes
quick
those
over
here
last
month,
any
changes.
If
so,
please
say
if
not
a
motion
to
approve.
B
B
B
Okay,
do
we
need
to
do
a
formal
approval
as
well
yep,
all
right,
I'll
I'll
make
the
motion
to
approve
no
second
by
marloes
yeah
right,
oh
2022!
B
B
C
Then
I
didn't
introduce
trayoshi
chakraborte
she's,
our
newest
senior
city,
planner
she's,
going
to
be
primarily
the
manager
of
the
plan
and
zoning
commission.
Okay
you'll
see
her
from
time
to
time
here
at
the
board
of
adjustment
as
well
great.