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From YouTube: 3-7-22 City Council work session
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Des Moines City Council morning work session on Monday, March 7, 2022.
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A
B
All
right
good
morning,
everybody
for
those
that
are
here
up
in
the
snowy
morning.
Welcome
to
our
monday
march,
7th
city
council
work
session
this
morning,
we're
going
to
work
on
stream,
buffer
ordinance
and
also
procurement,
ordinance,
ordinance
changes.
So
mr
manager,
I'll
quickly
kick
it
over
to
you
and
let's
get
going.
C
D
B
D
A
D
Have
for
discussion
this
morning
is
presenting
to
you
all
the
combined
consensus
work
product
of
the
walnut
creek
watershed
management
authority
has
finished
a
draft
model
ordinance,
and
I
want
to
walk
you
through
what
that
product
is.
We,
as
members
of
the
walnut
creek
wma
had
a
hand
in
shaping
it,
but
as
a
model
ordinance
into
consensus
product?
It's
not
quite
what
we
would
bring
to
you
all
for
approval,
but
this
is
just
acquainting.
You
all
with
the
concept.
D
We
know
that
that
the
the
creek
is
more
than
just
where
the
creek
it
currently
is
because
water
will
move
over
time
in
a
way
that
is
incredibly
difficult
to
to
manage.
We
have
21
miles
of
levees
in
in
downtown
des
moines
to
contain
the
river
to
the
to
where
the
the
river
goes
now,
but
that's
simply
not
practical
to
do
over
the
200
miles
of
creek
way
that
run
through
the
rest
of
the
city
and
as
water
moves
over
time.
D
It's
going
to
go
pretty
far
and
wide
in
the
the
space
that
that
mother
nature
has
provided
for
it,
and
that
can
happen
not
just
on
the
big
rivers,
but
even
on
the
small
ones
too.
This
is
an
example
of
a
very
carefully
documented
meandering
of
a
stream
on
a
100
mile
watershed,
that's
smaller
than
four
mile
creek,
so
even
over
the
course
of
a
couple
decades,
a
a
stream,
that's
as
small
as
four
mile
creek
will
move
quite
substantially
over
time.
You
see
the
the
oldest
date
there
is
1924.
D
We've
got
a
lot
of
development
in
des
moines
that
is
older
than
1924,
and
would
have
expect
to
see
this
much
meandering,
if
not,
if
not
more,
even
some
of
our
what
we
would
consider
medium-sized
streams,
so
the
idea
of
the
the
the
buffer
is
to
to
limit
what
can
happen
when
that
water
moves.
If
you
have
a
stream
out
in
the
middle
of
nowhere,
no
one.
It's
like
the
tree
falling
in
the
woods.
Does
anyone
hear
it?
D
We
don't
really
really
care
quite
as
much,
except
when
our
yards
start
backing
up
to
those
to
those
properties,
and
we
start
seeing
instabilities.
Develop
erosion
continues
anytime.
You
see
a
one
foot
or
more
sheer
face
of
earth
next
to
a
body
of
water.
It's
going
to
get
bigger,
that's
a
that's!
An
instability
and
erosion
and
natural
processes
will
continue
to
erode
that
away.
D
No,
that
was
from
north
carolina
all
right.
Just
just
example.
Pictures
this
one
is
not
either,
thankfully,
but
when
you
when
you've
got
that
much
water
and
that
much
instability
right
next
to
a
house,
you've
got
a
big
problem.
So
a
this.
This
is
going
to
take
some
real,
some
real
engineering
to
fix
that
one
there.
D
So
here
I
mentioned
the
one
foot
or
more
sheer
cliffs
next
to
a
waterway
is
a
bad
idea,
as
you
start
laying
that
out
and
stabilizing
it,
you
create
more
space
for
the
water
to
safely,
make
its
way
down
and
stop
eroding
and
stop
delivering
sediment.
But
when
you
have
land
development
activities
closer
to
these
waterways,
you
start
severely
limiting
your
options
that
are
available
to
you
for
for
stream
bank
stabilization
that
tends
to
increase
the
cost
or
just
make
it
very
difficult
at
all.
D
Because
a
lot
of
this
is
easily
foreseeable,
if
you
put
your,
if,
if
the
engineering
is
done
properly
on
the
very
front
end
of
development,
so
the
purpose
of
the
stream
buffer
ordinance
is
to
prevent
situations
like
this.
These
are
situations
to
be
avoided.
You
see
the
gentleman
down
in
the
creek
way
there
large
sloughing
off
of
that
of
that
stream
bed.
It
is
now
wider
and
deeper
than
it
was
I'm
sure
when
that
house
was
built,
but
that's
the
natural
progression
of
erosion.
We
also
want
to
keep
no
no.
E
D
Are
examples
like
this
in
some
of
the
western
suburbs
and
clive
and
elsewhere?
Just
these
are
these
are
just
okay
examples:
yeah
yeah!
I
got
you
all
right,
so
there
are
existing
stream
buffer
ordinances
across
the
metro.
This
was
not
part
of
the
the
the
the
capital
crossroads,
stormwater
management,
ordinance
that
we
brought
to
you
all
for
approval
back
in
november.
That's
now!
In
effect,
there
was
not
consensus
at
the
time
to
to
fold.
D
This,
in
part
of
the
reason
is
because
there
are
multiple
existing
stream
buffers
and
they
don't
all
agree
with
each
other,
so
the
walnut
creek
wma
member
communities
undertook
this
as
a
separate
and
follow-up
activity.
We
remember
that
of
that
wma.
So
well,
we
wanted
to
to
to
participate
and
then
bring
this
back
for
separate
consideration
later.
So
the
the
you
see
multiple
references
to
type
1
type,
2
type
3
and
the
the
buffers
sizes
that
go
with
it.
D
G
D
What
so
the
the
maintenance
access
would
be
what's
prohibited
in
the
stream
buffer
is
land
development
activities,
which
is
a
more
stringent
standard
than
floodplain
management.
Floodplain
regulation
basically
limits
inhabitable
structures,
so
you
can
build
a
shed
in
the
creek
way,
but
a
maintenance
access
would
make
that
accessible
beyond
just
the
bare
minimum
of
the
buffer.
D
G
H
H
D
Not
necessarily
the
the
stream
buffer
ordinance
would
prohibit
land
development
activity
within
the
buffer
part
of
the
problem,
with
encroachment
into
that
is.
It
makes
stream
bank
stabilization
more
difficult
to
do
and
limits
your
options
so
showing
examples
of
before
and
afters
of
unstable
banks
and
oftentimes.
D
But
if
you've
got
a
garage
right
where
you
need
to
put
a
slope,
it's
then
you
can't
do
this
now
much
more
difficult
or
more
expensive
and
you've
now
made
the
preferred
tool
for
solving
all
of
that
erosion
and
stabilizing
that
entire
creekway
a
lot
more
difficult
or,
if
not
entirely
impractical.
Okay,.
D
So,
as
I
said,
this
is
the
the
product
of
the
members
of
the
walnut
creek
wma
clive,
johnston
and
waukee
are
currently
considering
the
adoption
of
the
model
ordinance
with
the
you
know,
the
typical
municipal
tab.
Each
municipality
takes
its
tweaks,
but
this
would
be
something
that
would
be
largely
similar
to
the
rest
of
the
each
of
the
communities
would
be
largely
similar
so
that
the
development
community
and
the
residents
are
all
playing
by
the
same
all
playing
by
the
same
rules.
D
D
Proposing
in
this
is
three
different
kinds
of
buffers
based
on
the
size
of
the
stream,
which
is
driven
by
the
size
of
the
watershed
and
its
contributory
area.
So
the
type
one
stream
is
what
we're
all
familiar
with.
That's
our
four
mile
creek,
that's
walnut,
creek
middle
creek
of
the
north
river
along
the
the
south
side,
frank
creek,
coming
away
from
the
airport.
These
are
your
larger
waterways
that
have
a
defined
floodway
and
are
are
mapped
by
fema
and
all
on
the
flood
insurance
rate
maps.
The
next
level
up
from
that
is
the
type
two.
D
So
those
are
the
ones
that
show
up
on
on
the
usgs
map
that
last
layer
of
type
three
starts
at
50,
acre,
watersheds
or
larger.
At
the
top
of
a
watershed
and
I'll
show
you
an
example
of
some
cases
where
you
see
you
know
so,
a
40
acre
parcel
at
the
top
of
a
watershed
with
no
through
put
will
not
have
a
stream
buffer
applied
to
it,
so
50,
acres
or
larger,
based
on
on
on
our
analysis
of
areola
topo
maps.
D
So
inside
the
city
that
looks
like
this,
we've
got,
the
red
ones
are
the
the
major
creeks
that
will
be
the
type
ones
and
would
have
the
the
largest
and
most
restrictive
of
the
stream
buffers
jader
creek
across
the
south
side
is
a
type
2
stream,
and
then
you
got
a
whole
bunch
of
type
2
out
there.
There's
200
miles
of
creek
way
inside
the
city
that
that
using
the
type,
1,
2
and
3
method
would
only
apply
to
a
100
miles
of
those
things.
D
So
half
of
the
waterways
are
smaller
than
type
3
and
would
not
have
any
stream
buffers
applied
to
them,
but
anywhere
you
see
the
the
red,
the
orange
and
the
and
the
green
would
be
subject
to
some
kind
of
restrictions
on
on
land
development
and
what
could
happen
inside
the
buffer,
not
including
the
development
reserve
in
the
southeast
corner
of
town,
there's
17
miles
of
stream
bank
that
are
currently
undeveloped,
and
this
would
apply
to
from
from
day
one
at
the
at
the
point
of
initial
land
development.
Where
this
to
be
adopted.
I
D
Well,
this
would
not
apply
to
streams
to
new
to
current
activity.
That's
already
been,
it's
already
been
done,
so
it
would
only
apply
to
new
land
development
activities.
For
the
most
part,
that's
going
to
be
trying
to
build
a
pool
or
a
new
garage
or
a
new
shed.
That
would
be
limited.
If
there
is
a
you
know,
I
guess
a
legal
non-conforming
use
would
be
the
term
that
would
continue
to
be
a
allowed
in
the
in
the
stream
buffer.
Okay,.
D
So
that
first
layer
there
is,
it
defines
the
that
the
area
to
be
protected
is
this:
is
the
floodway
not
the
whole
floodplain,
just
the
floodway?
That's
the
flat
part
of
the
creek
of
the
creek
bed,
adjacent
to
the
creek
itself,
plus
another
50
feet
and
land
development
activities
inside
that
and
that
that
is
kind
of
a
common
sense
understanding
of
where
you
absolutely
don't
want
to
put
something:
that's
the
flat
ground
right
next
to
the
creek,
where
all
the
meander
takes
place.
So
you
really
don't
want
to
put
anything
there.
D
This
would
prohibit
any
land
development
activity
which
would
include
clearing
and
grabbing
and
cutting
down
of
trees
and
turning
it
into
turf.
So
we
want
to
preserve
that
in
the
most
natural
state
possible.
That's
the
you'll
see
here.
The
flood
way
is
that
that
flat
part,
as
I
said
next
to
the
stream
channel,
so
you
you
can
currently
the
the
chapter.
50
floodplain
ordinance
limits
development
inside
that
one
percent
annual
chance
floodplain
the
floodplain
includes
the
banks.
D
D
D
D
This
would
set
a
hard
50-foot
buffer
from
the
floodway,
the
white
line
of
the
floodway
stretching
out
horizontally,
so
the
two
would
work
together
to
keep
land
development
sufficiently
high
to
protect
it
from
flood
water
and
sufficiently
far
away
to
protect
the
vegetated
natural
state
of
the
the
creek
bank
and
the
the
adjacent
areas.
Okay,.
D
D
And
I'll
have
some
example
maps
just
to
see
what
that
looks
like
here,
but
it
does
further
restrict
what
can
happen
inside
that
50-foot
buffer
inside
that
floodway
are
adjacent
to
the
floodway
and
the
floodway
itself
by
by
preventing
all
land
development
activity.
Some
of
that
is
permitted
now
under
the
floodplain
ordinance.
As
long
as
your
finished
floor
of
your
your,
your
occupied
structure
is
high
enough.
D
D
Streams
where
there's
not
as
well
there's
not
fema
flood
maps,
we
have
to
start
drawing
lines
in
the
map
and
using
what
meandering
of
the
stream
there
is
to
try
to
define
a
belt
and
we'll
add
a
50-foot
buffer
beyond
the
the
where
the
the
creek
is
already
meandering,
and
this
is
a
less
you
know
less
of
a
hammer
lock
on
land
development
activity,
it's
just
limited
to
the
maximum
extent
practicable.
So
it's
it
gives
some
flexibility
to
the
permitting
team
to
consider
the
unique
circumstances
of
every
individual
situation
there.
D
This
is
a
smaller
creek.
It
is,
though,
it
includes
up
to
yada
creek
running
across
the
south
side,
so
you
can
have
some
substantial
waterways
that
get
some
substantial
water
that
we
still
want
to
protect,
and
this
this
provides
a
way
to
define
where
that
that
is
in
a
in
a
defensible
manner
and
then
also
fence
that
off
from
from
from
land
development
activity,
not
in
a
categorical
exclusion.
D
You
see
that
one
foot
of
sheer
face
or
more,
it's
not
stable,
and
we
would
want
to
try
to
slope
that
back
and
using
that
25
feet
of
buffer
space.
There
preserves
the
ability
to
do
that,
so
it
takes
some
some
some
actual
forethought
to
to
permit
to
design
a
system
that
would
be
permitted
to
encroach
in
this
buffer
space,
but
by
and
large,
if
you're
going
to
get
a
stable
conveyance
system
you're,
you
need
that
25
feet
on
each
side
of
the
center
line.
Anyway,.
D
D
Like
a
lot
of
things,
a
whole
host
of
what
would
be
considered
exempt
activities,
including
a
lot
of
repair
and
maintenance
of
existing
existing
land
construction
of
recreational
stuff,
the
the
usual
permissible
things,
the
riparian
space,
especially
along
those
type.
One
streams,
is
excellent
as
a
recreational
resource,
so
we
would.
We
would
want
to
permit
clearing
and
grubbing
of
trees
for
our
own
and
other
agencies
to
come
in
and
pave
a
trail
through
there.
It's
a
great
way
to
also
use
those
spaces
for
recreation.
E
D
As
written,
and
we
this,
this
will
take
a
little
bit
of
what
I
what
I
I
see
as
kind
of
the
arm
wrestling
of
how
do
we
customize
this
model
ordinance
to
des
moines
the
model
ordinance
as
written
says
that
the
council
may
grant
exceptions
to
parcels
platted
prior
to
the
ordinance
if
the
encroachment
into
the
stream
is
unavoidable,
we'll
need
to
sort
that
out.
Is
that
something
that
staff
can
approve?
Is
it
a
pnz
board
of
appeals,
approval,
or
is
it
council
approval,
or
is
it
just?
No?
D
We
don't
really
want
anything
going
on
there.
The
the
customization
of
a
the
draft
ordinance
is
all
of
five
pages.
Long
and
three
of
those
pages
are
definitions.
So
there's
a
lot
of
work
still
yet
to
do
to
make
this
fit
into
and
comply
with.
All
of
the
other
things
that
that
des
moines
would
need
to
do.
Were
we
to
want
to
undertake
this,
but
there
are.
D
I
D
D
I
D
And
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
didn't
really
push
this
in
the
the
capital
crossroads
stormwater
thing,
because
it's
it's
not
a
great
fit
for
des
moines
for
the
western
suburbs
that
are
most
interested
in
this
walnut
creek.
It's
a
lot
of
development
going
out
there
and
they're
more
motivated
to
pursue
preserving
those
buffers,
so
they
don't
get
the
same.
There's
multiple
places
in
clive
in
the
western
suburbs
that
have
those
those
you
know,
eight
foot
tall
cliffs
where
the
creek
is
marching
closer
and
closer
to
closer
to
homes.
D
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
that,
so
we
were
not,
and
then
you
have
on
the
eastern
side
of
the
metro,
three
ordinances
already
existing.
So
there
was
not
consensus
amongst
the
communities
to
do
this
at
that
time,
and
most
of
des
moines
is
already
built
out.
So
this
would
only
apply
on
a
fresh
basis
at
the
planning
stage
to
seven
those
properties
in
the
17
miles.
I
D
So
the
problem
there
wasn't
a
close
proximity
to
the
waterway.
It
was
the
way
that
the
the
slopes
were
built.
I
remember
right
that
they
they
were
either
too
steep
or
the
soil
wasn't
stable.
Backfilled
correctly,
I
forget
the
exact
details,
but
it
was.
It
was
not
because
of
the
proximity
to
the
lake,
but
in
order
to
do
the
rehab
on
the
lake
we
had
to
take
them
out
because
we
couldn't
do
both
okay
preserved
yeah
yeah.
I
think
it
was
yeah.
It
was
a
unsuitable.
Backfill
would
be.
H
D
H
D
It
is
so
that
this
is
something
that
we
would
still
want
the
property
owner
to
be
responsible
for,
but
by
precluding
land
development
activity.
In
that
space
we
preserve
their
options
either
for
the
property
owner
to
undertake
through
the
we
can
assist
through
the
stormwater
rebate
program,
or
we
can,
as
we
did
along
yada
creek
for
water
quality
at
at
easter
lake
purposes,
undertake
stream
bank
stabilization
on
their
property
for
the
collective
behalf.
J
D
F
D
This
would
include
the
right
to
inspect.
So
that's
the
that's
this
next
slide
here
that
there's
a
way
to
to
to
fold
that
in
and
go.
You
know
proactively,
go
look
at
things,
but
I
want
to
draw
your
attention
to
how
this
would
let's
roll
the
calendar
back
25
years
and
see
how
this
might
have
applied
to
a
neighborhood
with
notable
stormwater
concerns
brook
run.
D
So
this
would
a
stream
buffer
ordinance
applied
to
this
neighborhood
would
have
bumped
those
houses
further
away
from
the
creek
at
the
at
the
very
beginning
and
the
way
to
accommodate
this
would
be
to
to
at
the
time
of
planning
to
flex
the
streets
and
the
houses
around
the
buffer
space,
when
all
you're
doing
is
moving
lines
on
a
on
a
map
inside
a
computer
drawing
program
to
a
to
allow
the
development
to
accommodate
the
future
movement
of
that
stream.
Erosion
is
a
natural
process.
It
will
continue
to
progress.
D
We
want
to
stabilize
that
and
minimize
the
the
the
advancement
human
development
and
activity
and
and
our
uses
of
the
land
exacerbate
it
noticeably,
but
it's
a
natural
process
and
we
want
to
allow
to
the
greatest
extent
possible
the
water
to
go
where
it's
going
to
go.
That's
by
far
the
cheapest
and
easiest
way
to
manage
the
interface
of
people
with
their
water.
K
D
K
A
L
D
Some
of
these
have
already
had
a
substantial
amount
of
work
done
down
at
the
bottom
of
that
map.
There
I
want
to
say
10
to
15
years
ago
there
was
a
joint
project
with
the
city
in
polk
county,
mostly
polk
county,
doing
a
lot
of
stone
rip
rap
to
stabilize
that
that
that
creek
bed
at
the
at
the
bottom
of
that
watershed
right.
H
Do
we
like,
as
like
erosion,
goes
on,
like
I
guess,
like
what
are
we
predicting?
How
long
is
going
to
take
before
this
50
feet
on
either
side
isn't
good
enough?
I'm
sorry!
How
long
is
it
going
to
take
before
50
feet?
Isn't
like
good
enough
if
we're
dealing
with
like
natural
process
of
erosion
like
hundreds
of
years
or
probably
right.
D
At
least
at
the
time
of
plating.
You've
got
50
feet
where
that
the
meander
is
currently
inside
of
I
wouldn't
expect
in
a
generation
or
two
that
it's
going
to
move
all
50
feet,
but
you've
at
the
very
least
you're
now
50
feet.
Any
structure
or
land
development
activity
is
now
50
feet
away
from
the
the
outside
the
outermost
edge
of
that
stream.
You've
got
quite
a
ways
to
go:
okay.
H
D
You
you
can
you
if
you're
particular,
you
know
the
place
I
would
be
most
concerned
about
would
be
at
the
curve
of
the
meander,
where
the
that
50-foot
boundary
starts.
It
could
continue
to
erode
in
there.
You
would
want
to
stabilize
that
and
stop
that
erosion
from
continuing
closer
to
one's
property.
D
K
K
J
A
K
D
We
have
in
this
neighborhood,
depending
on
where
you
live
in
the
city.
The
stormwater
rebate
program
will
pay
50,
75
or
100
percent
of
the
first
four
thousand.
I
keep
hitting
this
right,
50,
75
or
100
of
the
first
four
thousand
dollars
of
work
that
a
that
a
property
owner
does
on
a
reimbursement
basis,
so
they
do
have
to
front
the
cash
and
then
we'll
pay
them
back.
K
I
A
K
D
D
In
in
addition
to
the
15
houses
that
are
inside
the
buffer,
there's
13
more
properties
that
have
decks
patios
or
retaining
walls,
and
these
would
be
land
development
activities
that
would
be
limited
to
the
maximum
extent
practicable
on
these
green
streams.
So
not
a
not
an
outright
prohibition
on
the
green
streams
and
the
buffer
space.
So
there
is
the
possibility
to
use
that,
but
we
would
want
to
limit
it
to
the
maximum
extent
practical.
So
there
are
existing
conflicts
with
homes
and
pertinent
structures
and
other
uses
inside
that
space.
So.
D
D
Run
drive
and-
and
I
think
that's
parkside
drive-
I
think
I
think
that
could
have
been
designed
differently
without
losing
anything.
I
just
wondered.
I
mean
at
the
bottom
of
that
watershed
there,
where
stream
side
circle
is
yeah
and
I
think
that's
hull.
Those
are
really
short.
Lots
and
they're
really
close
to
get
to
really
close
to
that
stream,
which
is
why
that
that
stream
bank
stabilization
10
years
ago
took
place.
D
D
Yeah
maximum
extent,
practical
is
a
term
that
allows
a
lot
of
or
allows
some
flexibility
beyond
a
flat
prohibition,
so
it
would
in
a
type
2
stream.
The
land
development
activity
would
be
prohibited
to
the
maximum
extent
practical.
So
we're
trying
to
keep
as
much
out
of
that
space
as
we
can,
where
you'll
likely
see
that
with
the
greatest
impact,
is
on
either
redevelopment
or
permitting
activities
in
an
already
planted
neighborhood.
D
D
The
maximum
extent
practicable
will
be
most
easily
applied
at
the
the
green
field
development
stage,
where
it
is
eminently
practical
to
preserve
that
space
yeah,
because
all
you
have
to
do
is
draw
draw
boundaries
on
the
on
the
map.
It'd
be
like
at
the
design
stage,
just
like
designing
around
setbacks
for
utilities,
setbacks
from
the
road
easements
and
all
the
other
considerations
that
go
into
design.
D
This
would
be
just
another
one
that
provides
a
more
healthy
respect
for
the
the
creek
way,
where
maximum
extent
practicable
will
be
most
necessary
in
the
already
developed
areas
will
be
when
you've
got
a
situation
like
this,
where
there
are
already
structures
there.
The
lot
line's
already
drawn
so
we're
going
to
try
to
limit
that
as
much
as
possible.
H
D
It
would
really
depend
on
the
that
that
is
really
a
case-by-case
situation:
okay
and
that's
something
that
that
can
be
written
into
the
ordinance
for
guidance
level,
but
maximum
extent
practical
affords
both
the
property
owner
some
leeway
and
it
affords
the
permitting
agency
at
the
city
some
leeway
to
let
to
let
the
most
use
of
the
property
balance
against
the
most
protection
of
the
buffer
without
either
one
being
superior
to
the
other.
Okay.
D
At
the
new
development
stage,
most
easily
accommodated
and
and
and
not
something
that
would
be
negotiable
at
the
redevelopment
or
existing
plat.
That's
why
I
drew
attention
to
the
exception
that
council
may
grant,
at
least
as
written
in
the
draft
ordinance,
the
the
the
writers
of
it
wanted
the
council
to
approve
exceptions
to
existing
plots,
where
it's
it's
unavoidable,
but
it
would
be
there.
You're,
looking
at
exceptions
are
possible
only
where
they're
unavoidable
for.
D
D
F
D
D
F
D
I
B
D
But
that
one's
really
impacting
so
another
example
showing
a
a
even
earlier
decades
of
development
with
that
that
almost
entirely
disregarded
the
the
flow
of
the
natural
stream,
but
we've
got
100
lots
touching
the
buffer
25
of
those
homes
are
in
the
buffer
entirely
so
inadvisable,
another
11
properties
with
some
sort
of
permitted
structure
inside
the
inside
the
buffer
space
and
zooming
in
a
bit.
So
you
can
see,
there's
a
home,
that's
well!
It's
the
that.
Where
the
you
know
bottom
left,
one,
that's
the
whole.
D
The
entire
home
is
inside
the
buffer
space
and
where
we
to
get
a
10
inch
rain,
it
would
come
right
across
through
there
and
fill
up
their
basement.
They
piped
underneath
the
drive
to
make
that
lot
developable.
But
if
were
this
to
be
repeated
now
with
a
buffer
on
that
that
you
can
tell
it
was
an
infill,
an
infill
lot,
you
could
just
bump
the
house
back
behind
the
buffer
space
and
again
this
is
a
type
2
stream,
so
maximum
extent
practicable.
D
D
Couple
hundred
feet
of
pipe
that
looks
like
is
dropped
in
there
now,
but
this
this
gives
the
ability
to
to
let
the
water
go
where
it
wants
to
go
without
threatening
future
properties,
not
had
a
whole
lot
of
complaints
in
these
areas.
So
maybe
maybe
maybe
the
the
stream
is
more
stable
as
far
as
recently
to
be
developed
land
we
have.
This
is
middle
creek
of
the
north
river
down
visible
from
highway.
Five,
that's
fluer
drive
there
running
north
and
south
through
the
center.
D
D
Where
we
would
want
the
buffer
to
go
is
already
riparian
space
that
is
natural,
the
the
land
around
it,
the
flat
ground
is
what's
being
farmed,
but
the
creek
way
of
type
2
and
type
3
creeks
are
not
being
farmed
now
and
were
a
buffer
placed
on
top
of
them.
They
would
largely
be
preserving
existing
trees
in
existing
existing
natural
vegetation
areas
and
the
the
development
would
cooperate
around
that,
instead
of
trying
to
make
the
creek
fit
around
the
development.
D
D
The
blue
light
space
is
the
100-year
floodplain,
that's
going
to
be
when
the
banks
get
full,
that's
where
the
water
will
be
so
in
almost
every
case.
The
red
stripe
is
where
the
50
foot
past
the
past
the
floodway
be,
would
get
you
that
far
up
the
banks
and
almost
everywhere
you
see
the
the
buffer
is
inside
the
100-year
floodplain,
so
that
that
gets
you
the
benefit
of
a
flat
prohibition
of
land
development
activity
in
the
floodway
and
that
50-foot
space
adjacent
to
it.
D
And
then,
on
top
of
that,
you've
got
the
chapter.
50
floodplain
limitations
on
inhabitable
space
in
the
the
light,
blue
hazy,
light
blue
area
and
then
drawing
additional
buffer
space
in
there,
which,
as
you
see
as
a
type
2
stream,
comes
into
the
100-year
floodplain
it
gets.
It
gets
bigger
there
because
of
backwater
effects
from
the
main,
the
main
water
body
there.
D
D
Excuse
me
a
little
closer
to
see
what
what
that
would
look
like
in
some
of
those
places
there,
so
the
next
steps
would
be
to
get
solicit
feedback
from
you
all.
If
you
have
thoughts
about
this
concept
or
the
specifics
of
how
exceptions
might
apply,
we
are
still
arm
wrestling
amongst
city
departments.
What
that
language
would
look
like.
We
have
a
finished
product
from
the
walnut
creek
wma.
I
B
D
I'll
take
this
as
feedback
that
three
of
you
all
have
have
have
very
s
very
strong
questions
about
how
that
should
look
like
we,
as
staff,
haven't
settled
on
a
best
course
of
action
either.
So
that
will
be
our
next
steps
is
figuring
out.
What
that
looks
like
and
sorting
out,
some
things
are
in
the
code
are
not
really
appealable
like
like
floodplain
development
is
not
something
that
exceptions
are
made
for
so
the
degree
to
which
this
impacts
existing
properties
is
something
that
we
still
need
to
wrestle
with
and
how
to
make.
I
D
By
and
large,
I
would.
I
would
think
that
the
purpose
of
this
is
to
fence
off
mostly
from
future
development,
so
not
seeking
to
penalize
existing
property
owners
for
a
home
that
was
legally
built
in
whatever
decade
it
was.
I
would
imagine
we
would
want
to
prohibit
them
from
doing
it.
Maybe
an
expansion
of
that
home
into
the
buffer
space.
But
even
if
you
know
a
home
got
knocked
out
by
a
tornado,
we
would
not
want
to
orphan
that
lot.
Okay
and
the
the
home
from
from
repairs.
D
D
D
I
D
I
D
Punish
property
owners
that
happen
to
have
an
unfortunate
location
for
a
structure
that
was
legally
built
at
the
time.
Okay
and-
and
I
I'll
certainly
want
to
consult
with
the
legal
department,
but
I
think
the
way
to
do
that
is
grandfathering.
You
know
just
a
just
writing
and
a
grandfathering
clause,
but
we
still
want
to
limit
some
land
development
activity
on
those
lots
to
understand.
J
I
D
D
D
H
C
If
you
will,
this
is
going
to
be
more
intuitive
when
you
know
that
there's
a
stream
bank
within
the
property
to
stay
back,
the
50
feet
or
the
25
feet,
whatever
is
appropriate.
So
we
can.
We
can
work
through
some
recommendations
on
how
the
details
would
get
worked
out
and
bring
that
back
at
the
next
phase.
We
did
not
want
to
spend
that
time
if
there
wasn't
an
interest
by
the
council,
so
we
will
bring
this
back
when
it
has
more
detail
to
to
discuss.
I
C
C
We've
got
procurement
ordinance
and
there
are
elements
to
our
procurement
ordinance.
That
council
has
requested
that
we
would
bring
back
and
discuss.
There
are,
as
you
might
imagine,
when
we
dig
into
a
procurement
review.
We
find
other
opportunities
to
make
improvements,
and
so
there
are
several
different
elements
that
we
are
looking
to
either
expand
upon
within
the
existing
procurement
or
actually
add
into
it.
C
But
another
goal
that
we
have
is
to
simplify
that
ordinance
and
similar
to
other
discussions
we've
had
with
council.
We
want
to
establish
a
two-tiered
system
if
you
will
of
what
the
ordinance
lays
out
at
the
highest
level
with
the
council
authority
and
then
actually
have
a
standard
operating
procedures
policy
that
you'll
hear
finance
staff
talk
about.
That
is
able
to
change
with
best
practices
in
a
more
nimble
way,
and
that
is
in
itself
a
best
practice
in
setting
up
a
layered
approach
of
an
ordinance
and
then
a
policy
that
is
more
flexible.
E
Yes,
absolutely
thanks.
Scott
scott
mentioned,
my
name
is
james
remington,
deputy
finance,
director
of
the
city
over
the
accounting
procurement,
risk
management
and
treasury
divisions,
and
obviously,
today,
we're
mostly
addressing
the
procurement
division.
Here,
as
scott
mentioned,
this
is
sort
of
overview
slideshow,
similar
to
what
jonathan
just
presented
in
that
we
have
an
ordinance
that
we're
working
on,
which
was
actually
sent
out
to
council
last
week
late,
but
we're
not
going
to
dive
into
all
of
the
details,
necessarily
just
sort
of
give
an
overview
of
the
thought
process.
E
Now
the
current
ordinance
and
the
proposed
ordinance
both
sort
of
cordon
off
a
large
suave
of
expenditures
that
don't
fall
under
the
procurement
process.
So
what
I've
done
here
is
essentially
taken
fiscal
year,
21
actuals
and
presented
a
pie
graph
of
what
the
portions
look
like.
So
the
public
improvements,
the
blue,
the
payroll,
the
red,
are
both
immediately
looped
out
of
the
procurement
process.
E
Right
payroll
is
based
on
negotiations
with
employees
or
unions.
Public
improvements
follows
a
process
dictated
by
the
state
and
handled
by
the
engineering
department
and
then
the
remaining
39
percent,
which
equates
to
about
215
million
dollars
in
fiscal
21
sort
of
starts
with
the
procurement
process.
Some
of
those
items
are
specifically
looped
out.
Some
of
them
are
looped
out
as
they're
reviewed
and
actually
determined
to
be
too
specific
to
go
through
a
whole
bidding
process
or
whatever
may
be
required.
E
A
E
We
are
in
the
process.
I
became
deputy
finance
director
back
in
late
2020,
at
which
point
I
began
sort
of
a
review
process
over
the
procurement
process
and
the
procurement
ordinance
from
because
from
my
time
as
a
deputy,
comptroller
and
risk
manager.
Prior
to
that,
I
knew
that
there
were
some
holes
in
the
process,
as
I
would
see
it
that
needed
to
be
patched
or
reviewed
to
sort
of
come
to
a
better
methodology
of
conducting
our
process
and
part
of
that
was
right-sizing.
The
procurement
division.
So,
historically,
when
I
became
deputy
finance
director,
the
procurement.
E
Consisted
of
two
and
a
half
professionals
essentially
to
handle
all
of
the
city's
procurement
which,
as
a
comparison,
if
you
look
at
iowa
city,
they
have
five
staff.
When
we
looked
at
it
cedar,
rapids
5.75,
and
if
you
look
at
knoxville
tennessee,
which
is
190
000
population,
they
were
sitting
about
seven
procurement
staff,
so
we've
buffed
up
the
procurement
division.
E
To
now
have
five
professionals
a
little
bit
more
in
line
with
what
we're
looking
to
accomplish
as
far
as
controls
and
systems
and
reviews,
and
I'm
not
going
to
cover
every
point
here,
but
essentially
where
we're
at
now
is
the
initial
draft
of
a
redone
procurement
ordinance
that
we're
interested
in
coming
to
you
guys
and
talking
about.
So
what
did
the
review
of
the
procurement
ordinance
tell
us?
E
E
So
the
intention
overall
is
to
sort
of
break
apart
the
ordinance
with
the
legal
framework
that
surrounds
the
procurement
process
and
separate
out
the
detailed
processes
into
a
manual
which
can
be
written
in
more
understandable
and
straightforward
terms
and
be
more
adaptable.
As
situations
change,
we
need
to
be
flexible,
I
mean
as
an
extreme
example.
Obviously
the
way
procurement
happened
in
the
past
couple
of
years
with
the
kobe
19
pandemic
was
an
extreme
change
for
what
you
would
see
traditionally
right
supply
lines
changed
the
availability
of
products
changed
so
on
and
so
forth.
E
So
having
the
ability
to
separate
out
the
legal
framework
for
how
we
conduct
procurement
from
the
detailed
process
would
allow
us
greater
flexibility
to
respond
to
situations
like
that,
and
just
generally
changing
environments
as
well
also
being
a
legal
document.
The
ordinance
creates
some
confusion
on
occasion,
let's
say
so.
The
example
I
like
to
talk
about
here
is
the
way
we
conduct
purchases
with
menards.
E
Menards
is
a
great
partner
with
the
city
we
spend
about
200
thousand
dollars
on
average
every
year
with
them,
and
every
year
we
come
to
council
with
a
for
approval
to
for
approval
over
a
hundred
twenty
five
thousand
dollar
blanket
or
thereabouts
for
the
public
works
department.
Now,
as
I
said
that
we
spend
about
two
hundred
thousand
on
average
with
menards,
but
we
only
come
to
you
for
approval,
125
000.
now,
essentially
what's
happening.
There
is
the
blanket
purchase
order.
E
E
E
A
E
E
Part
of
that
federal
grant
is
a
requirement
that
we
have
procurement
processes
in
place
that
will
control
how
that
money
is
spent
right.
It
requires
us
to
have
a
formal
process
of
going
out
for
bids.
Soliciting
quotes
whatever
it
might
be,
but
on
the
back
end
of
that,
we
then
say
within
the
ordinance
that
the
cost
of
the
city
doesn't
include
those
federal
funds
because
they're
federal
funds
they
come
from
an
outside
source.
So
then
we
loop
that
purchase
out
of
the
procurement
process,
which
was
required
to
originally
get
those
federal
funds.
E
E
We're
looking
at
doing
this
through
two
methodologies,
essentially
awarding
points
within
a
request
for
proposal
procedure
and
allowing
some
flexibility
in
the
bidding
procedure
for
vendors
that
have
policies
that
sort
of
cover
environmental
sustainability
and
social
equity,
as
well
as
looking
to
adopt
the
state's
targeted
small
business
policies.
To
some
extent.
E
It
has
to
have
less
than
four
million
dollars
of
gross
revenue
every
year,
small
business
and
it
has
to
be
majority
owned,
operated
and
managed
by
a
female
minority
or
disabled
individual.
So
it's
a
great
policy
state.
Has
it
and
we're
just
looking
to
sort
of
utilize
it
to
some
extent
in
order
to
leverage
what's
already
available
out
there.
It's
the
state,
actually
oversees
sort
of
the
certification
process,
manages
a
list
and
we're
just
looking
to
sort
of
tie
on
to
that
and
utilize.
It
a
little
bit.
G
E
One
of
the
things
we're
doing
there
is
changing
it
from
an
annual
expenditure
to
a
look
at
the
contract
as
a
whole.
So,
right
now
the
threshold
for
coming
to
council
is
fifty
thousand
dollars
of
expenditure
per
year.
What
we're
looking
to
do
is
switch
that
to
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
the
contract
cost.
Essentially
now,
the
current
ordinance
is
also
based
three
years
per
contract.
Three
years
times,
50
000,
essentially
we're
trying
to
target
the
same
idea
while
moving
away
from
some
of
those
more
nonsensical
situations.
E
Obviously
we
cover
the
controls
portion,
the
idea
there
is
just
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
legal
legal
document
through
the
ordinance
that
dictates
the
necessary
legal
framework
for
how
we
do
purchases,
but
also
allows
us
to
set
controls
that
make
sense
in
terms
of
the
actual
professional
practice
of
procurement
and,
of
course,
the
promoting
city's
equity
and
sustainability
goals
that
we
just
covered
in
that
last
slide.
Can.
E
A
E
E
H
K
A
E
E
Alternatively,
if
you
want
to
capture
something
like
them
in
our
situation,
more
purely
we
could
submit
reports
that
sort
of
track.
Cumulatively,
here's
where
we
spent
our
money,
here's
the
list
of
vendors,
here's
how
much
money
in
total
we
spent
with
them
and
here's
the
general
overview
of
what
that
money
was
spent
on
so
right
now.
The
process
doesn't
really
encourage
a
review
everything
up
front.
E
J
L
To
understand
that
better,
because
I
get
the
three-year
contract
yep,
but
are
you
also,
if
there's
just
a
one-year
contract?
Are
we
increasing
that
from
50
to
150
in
that
one
year
as
well?
So
we're
no
longer
whereas
before
if
it
was
50,
it
would
come
to
us
now
you're
proposing
if
it's
150
it
wouldn't
come
to
us
until
it's
150.,
correct.
E
E
J
I
E
Absolutely
so
one
take
on
it.
This
is
kind
of
something
I
just
noticed
yesterday,
so
I
was
out
on
the
city's
in
trinette
site,
where
he
house
our
administrative
manual
and
within
that
administrative
manual,
there's
a
procurement
section
in
there
and
the
policy.
That's
in
that
procurement.
Section
right
now
was
last
revised
in
1994,
the
dollar
threshold
dictated
in
that
policy
from
1994
was
25
000.
E
Subsequent
to
that
in
2017.
I
believe
we
jumped
to
the
fifty
thousand
dollar
thousand.
I
remember
now,
if
you
look
at
what
the
federal
government
has
done,
for
example,
in
terms
of
how
they
sort
of
track
their
federal
dollars
and
what
thresholds
they
utilize
since
2006
they've
gone
from
a
simple
actual
acquisition
threshold,
which
is
essentially
just
needing
to
get
quotes
and
stuff
like
that
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
250
000,
to
sort
of
give
you
a
baseline
of
what
inflation
has
done
since
2006
in
their
their
eyes.
E
C
C
C
J
I
B
B
Well,
I
think
the
whole
process
is
important.
Is
you
know
what
you're
talking
about
here?
You
know,
I
think
the
amount
to
some
of
us
is
troublesome
to
make
that
kind
of
leap.
I
I
like
the
detail
you're
talking
about
and
I'd
like
to
understand
that
a
little
better
and
I
think,
you're
doing
a
good
job
of
explaining
that
and
the
wise
know
what
fours,
but
to
also
extend
it
to
a
three-year
deal.
I
mean
that's
kind
of
a
little.
M
M
To
point
out
too,
it's
not
necessarily
the
tripling,
because
when
you're
looking
at
a
an
agreement,
they're
looking
at
it
by
individual
years
versus
the
the
fact
of
the
total
agreement
as
well.
So
if
you
had
an
agreement,
that
was
let's
say
four
years
at
forty
45
000,
you
guys
would
never
see
that,
even
though
the
total
amount
is
over
150
in
that
case,
that
would
actually
get
looped
in
and
actually
have
to
be
approved
by
council,
because
the
overall
expense
to
that
vendor
is
over
that
150..
M
L
E
Line
yeah,
so
one
of
the
angles
that
we
have
considered
is
a
separation
between
total
contract
value
and
individually
significant
purchases
right.
So,
if
you
think
about
that,
in
terms
of
wanting
to
ensure
that
the
purchase
of
vehicles
or
something
gets
looped
in
in
any
given
year,
it's
just
a
one-year
agreement
effectively
but
individually.
Those
purchases
are
significant
in
some
means
right.
So,
yes,
you
could
separate
it
out
to
accomplish
both
the
goal
of
making
sure
we're
capturing
contract
cost,
as
well
as
capturing
individually
significant
purchases.
J
So
I
think
the
separate
the
initial
reason
for
doing
it.
I
think
it's
good
to
clean
it
up
and
then
to
determine
the
amounts,
and
I
would
like
to
see
what
the
other
communities
around
you
know
and
and
really
how
many
contracts
would
even
be
how
many
purchases,
if
you
took
a
month's
purchase,
how
many
even
be
impacted
by
what
we're
talking
about.
H
I
think
it
would
make
sense
to
do
50
000
for
one
year,
100
000
for
a
two-year
contract,
150
for
a
three-year
and
then
anything
150
and
over,
like
we
would
approve
like
beyond,
like
the
four
year
five
year.
Anything
like
that
like
just
to
set
that
so
that
we're
still
getting
the
50
000
for
one
year.
I
think.
J
M
E
E
So
next
steps,
obviously
we're
working
with
legal.
Like
I
said,
ordinance
is
a
legal
document.
We
need
their
sign
off
eventually
working
towards
a
shareable
draft
of
the
procurement
manual.
That
sort
of
is
the
partner
to
the
proposed
ordinance
and
then
working
with
the
departments,
and
you
guys
to
get
feedback
and
sort
of
figure
out
what
makes
sense
for
everybody
and
how
processes
should
be
handled.
E
E
Yeah
exactly
now,
I
I
don't
think
we
want
to
go
up
to
the
25
000
amount,
certainly
not
off
the
right
off
the
onset
right,
so
sort
of
cap
that
at
a
lower
amount.
So
that's
one
example
of
not
adhering
specifically
to
their
procedures
but
taking
advantage
of
their
procedures.
The
other
side
of
it
is.
They
also
give
vendors
on
that
tsb
list.
E
I
think
five
day
heads
up
ahead
of
the
release
of
any
sort
of
bid
or
rfp
to
the
general
vendor
population,
and
we
don't
know
if
it
would
make
sense
to
utilize
that
portion
of
their
program
or
not.
So
the
idea
is
that,
within
the
scope
of
the
tsb
program
that
the
state
has,
we
could
eventually
utilize
the
full
extent
of
it
but
sort
of
roll
that
out
with
what
everybody
is
comfortable
with
and
what
makes
sense
given.
Our
organization
is
obviously
smaller
than
the
state's
overall
population
and.
H
E
Probably
not
so
right
now,
the
way
the
ordinance
is
the
proposed
ordinance
is
written
is
that
it
sort
of
if
the
rules
that
of
the
tsp
program
would
essentially
violate
the
requirements
of
the
federal
grant.
We
wouldn't
apply
it
right,
so
essentially
federal
grants,
restrictions,
take
precedence
and
then.
L
L
L
L
L
F
F
F
L
Thousand
dollar
right,
like
in
the
differences
in
ten
percent,
that'd
be
2500.,
but
but
why
why
I
mean
if
it's
one
percent
for
two
hundred
thousand
you'd
only
get
two
thousand
dollars
like,
and
I
mean
essentially
you're
it.
It's
almost
a
moot
point
in
the
larger
up
to
two
hundred
thousand
okay,
and
so
that's
thanks.
L
A
C
L
L
Yeah
right
yeah,
then
they
have
the
ability
to
come
back
and
match
it.
We're
not
paying
anything
more,
we're
preferencing,
the
local
and
giving
we
do
giving
them
a
chance
and
they
might.
They
might
look
at
that
and
say
no.
We
can't
match
that
price.
We're
not
gonna,
we're
not
gonna,
do
it,
but
that
that
preference
is
the
local
business.
E
Just
the
policy
not
for
the
bids
portion
correct
the
the
request
for
proposal
portion
is
more
of
a
points,
allocation
situation.
So
essentially
what
we'd
be
doing?
There
is
allocating
some
number
of
the
total
points
to
a
local
business.
So
it's
potential
that
that
could
weight
the
overall
scoring
of
that
rfp
towards
them,
even
if
their
price
is
a
little
bit
more,
but
I
mean
that's
a
consideration
that
can
be
separated
out
as
well.