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From YouTube: 4-18-22 City Council work session
Description
Des Moines City Council morning work session on Monday, April 18, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
A
We've
got
kind
of
a
full
agenda
this
morning
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
getting
updated
on
the
north
side.
Community
recreation
center
now
known
as
the
grub
y
plus
the
neighborhood
tool
kit
and
the
noise
control
permits
around
9th
and
mulberry
so
quickly,
I'm
going
to
turn
over
to
our
manager.
Who's
got
anything
to
say
here.
B
Mayor
and
council
I'll,
let
the
speakers
come
forward
and
as
they
do,
we've
got
a
great
agenda
this
morning
with
the
first
item,
obviously
we're
very
aware
of
this
project
and
the
opportunities
that
that
lie
with
with
this
neighborhood.
So
we
wanted
to
get
our
consultants
in
front
of
you
to
understand
what
the
the
goal
is
looking
like
and
then
see
if
we
can't
get
some
more
non-profit
partners
to
make
it
even
a
more
special
project.
So
with
that,
I
think
I'll
turn
it
over
to
ann.
C
Thank
you,
honorable
mayor
members
of
council
good
morning.
My
name
is
ann
sobiak
munson,
I'm
the
city
architect,
and
I'm
here
representing
a
group
of
city
staff
from
both
parks
and
recreation
and
facilities
who
worked
with
our
consultant
team
on
this
project
throughout
the
planning
phase.
Now
the
planning
phase
has
resulted
in
a
set
of
recommendations
and
project
parameters
and
requirements
that
will
serve
as
a
foundation
going
forward
into
our
future
phases.
C
In
our
working
group
we
have
jenny,
richmond
assistant
director,
daniel
calvert
planning
and
development
administrator,
janice,
steele
recreation
manager,
eric
dahl
park,
planner
and
jen
fletcher
in
marketing
and
from
facilities
myself
and
jim
hoff.
So
we
were
the
city
group
working
with
them.
I
also
want
to
take
a
minute
and
thank
our
communications
office.
Al
and
his
team,
david
durong,
helped
us
with
a
website.
That
is
where
we
collect
all
the
project
information,
and
we
will
continue
to
put
project
updates
on
the
website
and
then
you'll
see
later
on
in
the
presentation.
C
A
video
created
by
peter
zamanski
that
is
a
useful
tool
in
communicating
with
the
media
about
the
outcomes
of
this
phase.
The
last
group
I'd
like
to
recognize,
but
certainly
not
least,
is
the
community
participants.
We
had
you'll
see
from
the
overview
that
we
had
six
public
meetings.
There
was
a
core
group
of
at
least
three
dozen
people
that
came
to
nearly
every
meeting.
C
D
D
Look
forward
so
on
the
agenda.
We
quickly
go
over
this
the
vision,
goals
and
guiding
principles
which
were
essential
to
this
project
formulated
at
the
beginning
and
read
it.
Every
pub
at
every
meeting
go
over
quickly
go
over
the
process
and
then,
as
ann
mentioned,
the
outcomes
are
the
recommendations
and
then
wrap
up
by
looking
ahead
and
any
questions
that
you
have
there.
D
You
can
see
the
leads
for
each
of
the
kind
of
people
heading
up
the
consultant
team,
catherine
darnstein,
who
was
a
public
face
at
all
the
public
meetings
presented
each
one
of
them.
Unfortunately,
she
couldn't
be
here
today,
she's
in
front
of
chicago
city,
council,
myself
and
brett
douglas
who's
here
today
as
well.
D
These
are
the
vision,
goals
and
guiding
principles.
As
ann
said,
they
were
essential
to
the
project.
They
were
read
before
every
meeting,
just
to
remind
everybody.
They
became
the
lens
with
which
this
group
worked.
You
can
see
the
vision
to
serve
community
needs
and
provide
opportunities
for
recreation
through
a
vibrant
design
and,
as
you
can
see
in
the
goals
and
guiding
principles,
really
equity
was
essential
to
this
and
a
focus.
F
G
D
D
In
the
second
row,
you
can
see
images
of
the
stations
from
public
meeting
two,
some
of
the
material
and
the
benchmarking
that
was
done
in
the
third
column.
You
can
see
the
materials
we
started
to
develop
program,
groupings
and
start
a
look
at
analysis
of
existing
building
versus
renovation
in
the
third
row,
continuing
to
look
at
existing
building
renovation
and
also
starting
to
hear
the
public
comments
being
integrated
into
the
design
and
the
third.
You
can
see
the
final
recommendation
in
the
renderings.
D
D
D
This
group
of
the
public
was
really
engaged
and
really
dove
into
the
material
so
created
this
timeline
you
can
see
the
material
in
the
middle
represents
this
planning
process
and
then
the
the
dates
to
the
left
kind
of
documenting
the
history
of
the
site.
We
thought
it
was
critical
to
understand
that
starting
you
can
see
in
1982
when
the
city
of
des
moines
acquired
the
site
and
has
owned
it
since
then,
and
then
moving
forward
the
fundraising
and
the
design
and
construction.
D
D
These
represent
boards
that
were
at
the
open
house.
We
thought
it
was
under.
We
thought
it
was
important
to
show
the
work,
that's
been
done
and
the
decisions
that
were
made
and
how
they
were,
how
they
were
made
and
presented.
So
these
were,
there
were
18
boards
at
the
open
house.
These
are
the
ones
that
documented
the
process.
D
Again,
as
anne
mentioned,
we're
really
proud
of
the
six
public
meetings
over
200
community
conversations
and
consistently
at
each
each
public
meeting.
We
were
seeing
the
same
people
that
were
very
ingrained
in
the
process.
They
really
took
the
time
to
understand
the
material
and
to
give
very
thoughtful
feedback.
D
We
had
over
50
youth
engaged
to
the
basketball
and
girl
scouts.
We've
also
started
a
storytelling
project
to
kind
of
document,
the
stories
and
memories
of
this
site
when
we
had
nine
public
community
members
interviewed
for
that.
That's
ongoing
equivalent
of
500
hours
given
by
the
community
to
the
activities
and
additional
interactions
were
there
were
postcards
mailed
of
over
1100
over
110
homes
visited
70,
plus
people
on
the
email
list
that
keeps
growing
and
over
30
community
organizations
were
either
contacted
or
joining
the
public
meetings.
D
The
outcomes
of
the
public
meetings-
I'm
not
going
to
read
these,
but
you
have
them
to
summarize
in
public
meeting.
One
was
really
starting
to
ask
questions
and
probe
and
get
their
vision,
and
we
heard
a
lot
of
memories,
positive
memories
of
the
site
and
a
lot
about
the
events
that
take
place
there.
Public
meeting
too,
we
understood
there
was
confusion
about
north
side
versus
grub
ymca,
so
we
started
to
clarify
that
the
need
for
more
meetings.
D
We
also
started
to
hear
the
preference
for
where
the
building
might
be
located.
We
had
genus
had
a
station
with
puzzle
pieces
that
they
were
able
to
move
buildings
around
whether
it
was
existing
building
or
new,
and
we
started
to
see
it
raised
to
the
top
that
ninth
in
college
was
the
desired
spot
public
meeting
three.
We
heard
a
lot
of
feelings,
some
anger
a
little
bit
that
this
is
a
hand-me-down
building,
and
so
that
was
kind
of
a
desire
for
a
new
building.
D
D
The
pool
was
also
identified
as
a
priority
early
on
and
in
public
meeting
five,
a
desire
for
new
construction
overwhelming
desire.
The
can
the
community
continues
to
be
very
aspirational
about
wanting
more
than
the
12
million
that's
allocated
can
provide,
and
then
we
heard
also
heard
that
they
want
to
continue
to
be
involved
in
the
process.
D
D
D
D
B
D
I
guess
some
of
the
things
to
point
out
is
the
parking
currently
is
located
there,
I'm
reorganizing
it
to
allow
for
storm
water
management,
we're
also
connecting
to
existing
trails.
That
was
part
of
important
to
the
parks
planning.
You
can
see
a
wider
sidewalk
along
the
west
to
tie
into
the
existing
parks.
You
can
see
an
open,
open
air,
shelter,
basketball
courts,
playground
handball,
which
currently
exists
there
now
and
a
multi-purpose
field.
D
This
diagram
shows
you
how
we
our
strategy
for
showing
a
12
million
that
is
allocated
funds
and
what
it
would
be
for
15
or
18
if
the
program
and
spaces
were
to
grow.
So
the
first
column
is
the
12
million
15
million.
In
the
middle
that
scenario
and
18
million
on
the
right,
you
can
see
it's
a
combination
of
some
new
programs
show
up
such
as
the
track
shows
up
in
the
15
million.
We
cannot
make
it
fit
into
the
12
million.
D
You
can
see
more
community
spaces
more
out
of
the
box,
more
space
for
spectators
around
the
gymnasium
and
obviously
the
circulation
and
back
of
house
grows
throughout
each
one.
I
mean
we
can
come
back
to
this
as
more
questions,
but
I'm
really
honed
in
that
15
million
was
kind
of
a
minimum
to
get
the
spaces
that
they
want.
D
D
These
are
some
concept
plans
to
start
to
show
you
some
possible
arrangements
on
the
site.
These
are
more,
they
look
more
finished
than
they
are,
but
really
to
show
adjacencies
one
thing
on
the
site
from
the
mid
block
and
college
down
to
ninth
there's
about
a
16
foot
drop
and
it
might
not
have
been
as
apparent
on
that
isometric.
But
so
we
took
advantage
of
that
in
laying
this
out
so
on.
9Th
street
are
the
two-story
volumes,
so
the
gym
and
the
pool
and
the
building
appears
as
a
one-story
volume
on
the
west
side.
D
So
here's
that
was
the
9th
street
level.
This
would
be
the
parking
and
west
side
level
with
a
two-story
volume
that
connects
the
two
entries
with
that
stair
in
between.
So
this
level
has
the
walking
track
above
the
gym
and
these
community
rooms,
which
we
use
the
strategy
of
a
of
a
porch
on
the
west
side.
So
as
spaces
need
to
be
accessed
during
maybe
hours
that
the
facility
is
not
open,
you
could
have
the
community
room,
be
rentable
during
off
hours.
D
The
bathrooms,
obviously
things
like
that,
and
these
might
help
explain
that
a
little
bit.
So
this
is
a
view
from
the
west
side
of
the
parking.
It's
a
one
story
appears
to
be
a
one
story:
volume
it
has.
The
playground
would
have
the
restroom
access,
it
have
a
slight
drop
off
area
for
parents
or
others
using
the
facility.
D
D
Here
you
can
see
that
gray
drop,
call,
it
or
college
is
on
the
left.
You
can
see
it
drop
away,
and
that
is
the
sidewalk
heights.
Now
the
two
story
volumes
you
can
see
into
the
pool
to
the
right
would
be
the
gymnasium
and
then
up
above
the
walking
track
and
then
there's
an
entry
proposed
again
a
concept
illustration
on
9th
street.
D
D
And
then
some
interior
views,
so
the
upper
left
is,
if
you
came
in
on
9th
street
you'd,
be
able
to
come
into
this
two-story
volume
that
you'd
be
able
to
see
all
the
way
through
the
building
to
the
right
way.
The
gymnasium
to
the
left
would
be
the
pool
doors
and
you
could
go
up
the
stairs
to
the
walking
track
and
others
there
would
be
an
elevator
as
well.
D
D
And,
as
I
mentioned
as
well,
the
the
time
with
park
planners
and
working
through
a
strategy
for
how
the
park
might
be
implemented,
full
basketball
court
with
green
space
and
an
open-air
shelter
with
the
multi-purpose
field.
Beyond
thinking
the
multi-year,
the
open
air
shelter
could
serve
both
basketball
and
the
lawn
and
also
the
multi-purpose
field.
D
We
thought
we'd
end
with
some
pictures
from
the
open
house.
It
was
well
received
by
the
open
house.
I
think
everyone
is
excited
but
cautious
about
the
future
of
this
project.
It
was
really
celebratory
there
to
show
all
these
boards.
You
saw
the
boards
when
you
came
in
a
lot
as
well
as
the
process
boards.
Looking
ahead,
we
are
in
the
midst
of
finishing
the
report.
It'll
be
it's
about
150
pages
right
now,
but
kind
of
wrapping
up
all
of
this
material
and
then
the
next
phase.
D
As
we
understand
it's
moving
into
a
year
of
fundraising
with
the
anticipation
that
a
design
professional
will
be
hired
in
the
spring
of
2023,
we
did
include
the
website.
There
was
critical
to
the
project.
Every
presentation
was
posted
to
the
website.
All
of
the
handout
materials
were
posted
to
the
website
and
there
was
online
input
at
every
meeting
as
well
that
we
gathered
and
then
there's
an
image
of
the
website,
which
was
super
great
and
then
we're
going
to
play
the
video
that
was
created.
H
I
I
To
say,
I'm
very
grateful
to
the
city
team
who
worked
on
this
and
the
consultant
team
that
worked
on
this.
I
know
this
was
all
started
before
I
was
here,
and
so
I
also
want
to
thank
the
previous
and
existing
council
for
moving
forward
with
this
project.
It's
going
to
be
really
important
to
the
community.
I
I
think
it's
going
to
be
important,
that
the
community
stay
involved
in
the
fundraising
and
especially
in
the
design
process,
as
it
moves
forward
that
we're
going
to
continue,
because
I
think
that
we
can
get
even
more
community
input
in
this
process,
but
yeah
really
grateful
for
all
the
work
that
you
guys
have
done.
This
is
really
amazing.
H
H
B
So
at
this
time
we
do
not
have
that
budgeted,
so
that
needs
to
be
part
of
the
conversation
with
our
next
budget
cycle.
Obviously
this
building's
not
going
to
be
constructed
for
a
while,
yet
so,
there's
time
to
plan
for
that,
I
think
there's
an
equity
discussion
to
be
had
on
on
that
service
level
for
seven
days
a
week
for
all
of
our
community
centers,
not
just
this
one
well,.
F
I
would
think
like
for
the
the
weight
rooms
and
the
workout
rooms
and
other
use
that
that
would
as
this
evolves.
It
would
really
require
that
also
in
regards
to
the
pool
well,
adding
a
pool
here
caused
the
other
two
senators
to
say:
hey
where's
our
pool,
and
how
would
we
absorb
that
into
the
budget.
F
Well,
I
know
that
pools
are
problematic
for
for
many
ymcas,
just
the
expense
of
operating
a
pool,
and
there
was
a
huge
community
desire
to
have
a
pool
here.
The
y
was
unfortunately
unable
to
provide
any
numbers
showing
how
often
the
pool
was
used
when
it
was
in
operation.
It's
been
out
of
operation
for
two
or
three
years,
two.
D
I
I
It
was
like
highly
highly
requested
by
the
community
very,
very
important
to
this
community
to
have
a
pool
to
be
able
to
teach
kids
how
to
swim.
So
we
don't
run
into
situations
where
you
know.
Kids
are
caught
in
the
water.
Can't
swim
can't
save
themselves.
Things
like
that,
and
the
discussion
around
you
know
what
it
would
cost
and
the
the
maintenance
and
the
upkeep.
All
of
that
was
those
discussions
were
had
in
the
internal
meetings
as
well
as
with
the
community.
I
I
think
that
if
we
were
going
to
talk
about,
you
know,
do
the
other
community
centers.
Are
they
going
to
want
to
pull?
I
can
understand
the
concern
it's
a
very
big
barrier
to
cross
because
of
the
cost
of
the
initial
cost,
as
well
as
the
upkeep,
really
a
discussion.
That
was
only
possible
because
of
the
a
new
project
being
made
here.
But
if
that
discussion
was
to
happen
to
other
community
centers,
that
would
be
a
very
big
discussion
with
a
very
big
budget
attached
to
it.
I
think.
B
If
I
could
add
mayor
and
council
members
that
it's
going
to
be
incredibly
important,
that
we
leverage
that
pool
in
a
lot
of
ways
for
the
entire
community,
and
so
I've
had
conversations
with
broadlawns
and
we'll
do
so
with
others
as
well.
Medical
for
the
opportunity
to
use
that
that
pool
for
rehab
and
and
other
potential
exercise
for
for
rehabbing,
potentially
new
needs.
There's
just
a
plethora
of
opportunity
from
on
the
rehab
side
to
to
utilize
that
as
well.
F
B
B
G
G
J
H
J
B
That
that
could
enter
into
the
equation
if
we
had
a
partner
that
needed
more
time,
and
we
thought
that
that
risk
made
sense
to
go
ahead
and
build
out
larger.
I
would
tell
you.
The
expectation,
though,
needs
to
be
that
the
funds
are
in
hand.
The
programming
is
understood
because
the
part
of
the
reason
to
expand
this
beyond
the
15
million
dollar
product
is
because
there
may
be
more
interest
from
the
non-profits
to
utilize
this
space
as
well.
B
A
A
A
H
B
It's
a
great
opportunity
for
that
neighborhood
to
to
provide
that
space
and
get
a
partner
to
provide
the
service,
and
that
could
be
the
same
for
job
training.
That
could
be
the
same
for
culinary
arts.
If
we,
if
we
built
a
larger
kitchen,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
we've
got
the
partners
that
do
that
type
of
programming
committed
to
the
project.
L
L
L
G
G
A
I
M
Mayor
members,
city
council,
chris
johansen
neighborhood
services,
director
about
a
year
ago,
the
city
discussed
what
more
we
can
do
to
help
the
city
help
help
neighborhood
associations.
So
six
months
ago
we
did
hire
our
neighborhood
outreach
coordinator
and
today,
heather's
going
to
be
here
to
talk
about
the
work
she's
done
over
the
last
six
months.
M
K
Good
morning,
mayor
members
of
council,
heather
tamago
neighborhood
outreach
coordinator
and
I'm
here
today
to
discuss
recommendations
for
the
neighborhood
association,
toolkit
training
and
funding
and,
as
we
begin
today,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
neighborhood
revitalization
committee
for
all
their
thoughtful
input
throughout
this
process.
Over
the
last
three
months.
K
K
K
K
In
addition,
I
held
seven
stakeholder
meetings
that
includes
meeting
with
members
of
council
different
department
and
city
staff
that
work
with
neighborhoods.
In
addition,
I
actually
met
with
other
community
or
community
members
who
work
often
with
neighborhoods
other
non-profits
and
not
reflected
on
the
slide.
I
did
research,
other
cities
that
have
robust
neighborhood
programs
and
met
with
their
city
staff,
to
learn
more
about
their
programs
and,
specifically
lessons
learned
as
they
built
out
their
programs.
K
So
with
that,
I'm
just
going
to
try
to
set
the
groundwork
for
today's
discussion.
One
of
the
first
questions
that
I
asked
is
what
types
of
education
and
support
does
your
neighborhood
association
need,
and
I
think,
surprisingly,
or
not
surprisingly,
I
think
after
meeting
with
members
of
council,
not
surprisingly,
the
biggest
answers
came
back.
That
neighborhoods
wanted
to
understand,
grant
writing
how
to
become
501
c
3s.
K
The
next
question
we
asked
is:
we
tried
to
evaluate
which
types
of
communication
tools
are
currently
being
used.
So,
as
you
can
see,
we
do
have
a
high
reliance
on
high-tech
low-cost
options
for
getting
out
information
regarding
the
neighborhood
associations,
we
have
very
few
that
do
print
or
use
print
media.
Those
that
do
not
print
stated
the
reason
they
don't
do.
It
is
because
it
costs
too
much
to
reach
all
the
neighborhood
or
all
the
residents
within
the
neighborhood
boundaries.
K
I
think
some
other
interesting
things
were.
We
had
some
neighborhoods
that
how
they
communicate
is
that
they've
just
called
mailing
or
email
list
over
years,
or
they
communicate
for
meetings
just
using
word
of
mouth,
so
we're
all
over
the
range
of
how
the
information
goes
out
to
our
residents.
Regarding
communication,
when.
K
What
type
of
resources
they
needed?
The
most
in
areas
of
communication,
everyone
can.
The
biggest
consensus
was
finding
volunteers
that
have
communication,
expertise
and
know
how
to
use
the
different
mediums
as
well
as
funding
for
outreach,
primarily
so
that
they
can
try
to
do
better
at
getting
out
to
all
the
residents
within
the
neighborhoods.
K
The
next
is,
I
wanted
to
get
a
sense
of
the
average
outreach
expenses
that
neighborhood
associations
use
and
you
can
see
the
print
and
digital
communications.
Average
expenses
are
just
over
thirteen
hundred
dollars
annually,
while
the
average
spend
on
events
is
just
under
seventeen
hundred
dollars
annually,
I
will
say,
in
all
fairness,
I
did
cut
off
some
of
the
data
on
this
question,
because
there
are
some
neighborhoods
that
skewed
the
data
to
make
it
reflect
at
four
thousand
and
eight
thousand
dollars.
So
I
wanted
to
get
more
of
that
middle
range
average.
K
K
Finally,
I
asked
the
question
of
self-reflection
and
I
just
wanted
to
see
how
neighborhoods
felt
about
themselves
so
strong
indicates
that
neighborhoods
feel
active
engaged
and
organized
holding
the
line
means
that
they
don't
really
feel
like.
They
lost
a
lot
of
momentum
during
covid,
so
they
didn't
really
get
better,
but
they
didn't
really
get
worse.
At
the
same
time,
ready
for
action
needs
help
indicated
just
the
need
for
resources,
training
and
better
understanding,
and
we
did
have
someone
that
some
indicated
that
they're
just
overwhelmed.
K
So
with
that
the
needs
assessments,
conversations
and
observations
from
attending
the
meetings
really
guided.
The
output
for
the
leadership
toolkit,
so
the
toolkit
is
division.
Is
it's
a
manual
it's
based
on
non-profit
best
management
practices,
and
it
will
have
accompanying
plug-and-play
templates.
That
neighborhoods
could
then
pull
out
plug
in
their
own
information
and
use,
as
well
as
case
studies
illustrating
some
best
practices
that
other
neighborhood
associations
have
used
and
seen.
So
I
want
to
illustrate
throughout
that.
K
You
know
sometimes
going
through
these,
especially
with
our
events
and
outreach,
the
success
that
other
neighborhoods
have
had.
So
this
is
not
one
time
this
is,
I
view
the
toolkit
as
a
working
document
that
will
need
to
be
revised
year
over
year
and
just
as
new
information
comes
available,
but
the
idea
again
is
for
neighborhoods
to
be
able
to
reach
in
grab
the
resources
they
need
and
use
those
for
their
neighborhoods.
K
So
on
this
next
slide
over
to
the
right,
there
is
a
list
of
sample
templates
that
we
would
envision
as
being
the
plug
and
play
templates.
So,
for
example,
I've
used
some
of
these
already
we
have
a
leadership
transition
report
and
leadership
transition
toolkit
that
I
do
have
out
to
a
few
of
the
neighborhood
associations
and
they're
kind
of
beta
testing
it
for
me
to
make
sure
that
you
know
it's
a
workable
document
where
we
can
go
back
and
make
changes
before,
there's
a
full
release
and
I'm
working
on.
K
K
H
G
K
Do
not
have
a
website
template
already,
but
we
can
look
at.
The
discussion
has
been
maybe
looking
at
developing
a
template
that
they
could
maybe
use
so
potentially
partnering
with
a
website
providing
company
that
if
we
helped
develop
a
template,
then
the
neighborhoods
could
go
directly
to
that
company
use
that
template.
If
that's,
what
they'd
want
to
do,
but
then
also
receive
their
training
or
have
that
company
be
their
I.t
support,
as
opposed
to
city
staff.
L
L
It
should
be
housed
on
the
city,
but
we
can't
do
that.
I
believe
you
know
I
look
at
the
school
district.
They
have.
Every
school
has
the
same
template.
They
just
feed
the
material
to
it
and
that
way
it
is
centralized
they
have
their
logo,
their
color
whatever.
But
anyway,
I
think
it's
pretty
critical
element,
because
a
lot
of
their
funding
or
most
money
goes
towards
this
expenditure.
I
I
K
G
G
K
Any
other
questions
on
okay,
so
outreach
outreach.
For
me,
I
think,
is
the
most
fun
and
I
think
this
will
be
also
the
most
intensive
as
we
go
on.
So
I
do
see
a
lot
of
the
items
in
this
outreach
for
me
are
kind
of
what
I'm
considering
phase
two.
These
are
going
to
be
the
outward
things
that
we
do
a
great
jumping
off
point
for
us
to
do:
a
lot
of
training,
whole
neighborhood
round
tables
or
neighborhood
engagement
sessions,
to
bring
leaders
together
to
talk
about
best
practices.
K
K
The
second
thing
that
we
would
like
all
neighborhoods
to
do
is
file
for
an
ein
number
and
again.
This
is
plug
and
play
where
I
can
help
walk
them
through
it.
So
just
backing
up
to
the
articles,
I
have
an
articles
template.
They
would
essentially
fill
that
out.
I
would
tell
them
step
for
step
how
to
file
for
the
state.
K
I
would
tell
them
step
to
step
how
to
file
for
their
ein
number,
and
then
we
also
need
all
neighborhood
associations
to
have
a
separate
bank
account.
So
again,
one
thing
that
we've
learned
throughout
this
process
is:
we
have
a
few
neighborhood
associations
that
don't
have
any
bank
account,
so
the
cash
on
hand
is
at
a
neighborhood
leader's
house
or
the
bank
account
is
in
a
treasurer
or
somebody
else's
name
and
their
personal
name.
K
This
also
sets
them
up
that
if
they
choose
to
go
on
to
that
501c3
in
the
future,
that
they're
already
incorporated
that
they
have
their
ein
number
and
they
already
have
that
banking
in
place,
so
we're
going
to
try
to
set
them
up.
So
if
they
want
to
go
further
down
that
path,
that
they're
able
to
do
that.
K
K
Hopefully
we
don't
have
to
do
that
again,
where
we
go
on
hiatus
for
a
long
period
of
time,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
neighborhoods
are
ready.
If
we
do,
all
neighborhoods
should
understand
risk
management
strategies
so
insurance,
how
to
not
say
the
things
that
you
shouldn't
say
understand
how
to
file
for
a
501c3
and
those
ongoing
reporting
requirements.
K
K
So
through
incorporation,
there
is
some
limited
indemnity
coverage,
which
means
that
the
organization
would
be
named
in
the
suit
should
something
go
wrong,
as
opposed
to
a
leader,
but
I
think
the
next
phase
is
if
neighborhoods
would
want
to
have
directors
and
officers
coverage.
One
thing
we
have
talked
about
is
working
with
an
insurance
partner
and
just
seeing
what
possibilities
are
out
there
so
that
they
could
go
through
a
source.
H
L
G
Out
I
mean
I
mean
some
of
the
neighborhood
associations.
Don't
even
charge
a
you
know
a
fee
to
be
part
of
it,
so
they
don't
have
zero
dollars.
I'm
just
we're
only
going
to
give
them
a
thousand
dollars.
It
seems
like
we're
asking
them.
I
mean
we're
going
to
give
them
a
tool
kit,
but
we
are
asking
them
to
do
a
lot.
I
I
can't
imagine
a
thousand
dollars
is
going
to
be
enough
is
my
is
my
point:
that's
that's
going
to
be
a
challenge
and
that's
an
ongoing
cost.
K
It
is
an
ongoing
cost,
I
will
say
from
the
incorporation
standard-
that's
20
of
what
they
could
use,
that
funding
for
we're
going
to
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
that
directors
and
officers
coverage,
but
they
could
certainly
use
the
funding
toward
that.
But
I
think
the
bigger
concern
is
the
ongoing
cost.
K
H
I
My
understanding
was
that,
like
events
were
easier
to
hold,
if
the
neighborhood
association
had
insurance,
then,
like
the
event
could
be
held
by
the
neighborhood
association
under
their
insurance,
like
just
invent
insurance
particularly
like.
Would
this
not
be
a
thing
that
every
neighborhood
association
needed
to
have
for
because
like
if
we're
not
experiencing
lawsuits
or
anything
like
that,
but
maybe
just
like
for
the
ones
that
are
holding
events
and
have
like
bigger
projects.
K
G
G
F
F
B
H
B
F
F
K
K
Some
in-person
training
would
include
the
onboard
the
basics
of
being
an
effective
board.
Member
I've
had
several
conversations
about
developing
a
partnership
with
the
community
foundation
of
greater
des
moines.
They
have
a
lot
of
excellent
programs.
This
is
one
of
them
so
helping
our
neighborhoods
become
connected
with
this
program.
K
Another
in-person
training
would
be
the
cultural
competency
piece.
I
have
not
worked
through
that
yet,
but
we
do
have
a
lot
of
resources
in-house
that
I
know
will
deepen
my
bench.
For
me,
the
501c3
considerations
grant
writing
risk
management
and
financial
management
would
all
be
in
person,
training
sessions
that
I
would
recommend.
K
I
do
have
some
really
good
line
up
for
speakers
where
we
can.
I
can
work
with
them
independently
and
write
those
learning
objectives,
but
the
thought
is
to
meet
bi-monthly
or
every
month,
depending
on
the
timing
of
how
all
this
works
out
and
to
offer
these
training
programs
into
our
increments
and
the
reason
that
we
wanted
to
spread.
K
That
out
is
because
it's
a
lot
of
information
at
one
time
and
we
want
to
give
neighborhood
leaders
an
opportunity
to
go
back
absorb
the
information,
reflect
and
then
act,
and
then
the
rest
of
the
items
on
here
would
be
more
of
what
we
would
consider
that
toolkit
jumpstart
guide.
So
that,
for
me,
means
an
early
release
of
the
toolkit.
K
So
neighborhood
association
funding,
as
you
very
well
know,
the
budget
passed
for
fifty
two
thousand
dollars
in
neighborhood
grant
funding.
So
the
recommendation
for
this,
we
just
did
the
easy
math
on
this
one
so
that
each
neighborhood
association
could
get
up
to
one
thousand
dollars
of
grant
funding.
K
K
So
the
application
process
would
just
include
a
budget
template
where
they
would
say,
here's
how
we
want
to
spend
the
money
and
here
are
the
goals
and
then
we
would
be
able
to
release
those
funds
at
year
end.
What
we
would
like
to
do
is
marry
a
reporting
process
back
with
the
neighborhood
annual
survey.
K
So,
as
a
reminder,
the
neighborhood
revitalization
board
does
send
an
annual
survey
every
year
to
the
neighborhoods
to
ask
them
for
leadership
transitions
to
validate
how
many
meetings
they've
had.
We
would
like
to
incorporate
this
funding
report
back.
What
we
really
want
to
know
is:
did
the
money
meet
the
goals?
Did
you
use
the
money
in
the
way
that
you
said
you
were
going
to
use
the
money?
You
know
what
were
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
roadblocks
were
along
the
way
as
well?
So
for
me
it's
more
about.
K
L
A
L
B
L
J
G
G
And
they
have
to
go
through
certain
training
that
we're
going
to
require
to
get
the
thousand
dollars.
Is
I
mean
that
I
guess
that's
how
I
would
see
you
know
I
mean
this
happening.
I
mean
to
make
sure
that
the
dollars
are
used
correctly,
they're
going
to
need
some
type
of
training
they're
going
to
need
to
follow
some
of
the
steps
of
incorporation,
eim
numbers
I
mean
some
of
those
steps
are
going
to
need
to
be
made
before
or
simultaneously
as
we're
giving
them
the
thousand
dollars
correct
correct.
Is
that.
K
L
I
I
mean
the
way
I
see
this
is
like
as
a
prep
for,
like
or
kind
of
like
a
teaching
experience
of,
like
other
grant.
Applications
is
saying,
like
here's
all
the
requirements
to
start
applying
for
a
grant.
Here's
how
you
apply
for
a
grant
now
go.
Do
it
somewhere
else,
essentially,
is
that
kind
of
like
the
intention?
I.
K
K
K
K
So
this
last
idea
of
an
innovation
grant
actually
came
from
council
member
boss
through
former
council
member
tim
urban.
I
believe
yes-
and
I
love
this
idea,
because
I
just
think
it
helps
navigate
or
at
least
drive
some
of
the
innovation
that
we
know
that
our
neighborhoods
do
have
so
really.
The
premise
of
this
grant
is
to
fund
and
support
the
development
of
innovative
programs
that
could
be
replicated
throughout
the
city
through
other
neighborhood
associations,
so
again
the
same
requirement
of
the
recognition,
the
incorporation,
the
bank
account.
K
The
only
other
caveat
to
this
one
is
that
they
would
have
to
agree
to
be
a
mentor
and
to
help
other
neighborhood
associations
replicate
programs
throughout
the
city.
So
I
could
see
this.
We
had
the
extra
one
thousand
dollars
that
was
left
over
of
the
52
000,
so
I
can
see
this
is
being
a
grant
that
could
you
know
up
to
a
thousand
dollars
or
maybe,
if
you
had
multiple
people
that
didn't
need
all
those
funds,
you
could
possibly
have
multiple
grants
throughout
this.
K
I
think
that's
when
we'll
know
how
much
we
have
left
over,
because
I
think
this
first
year
is
just
going
to
be
trial
and
error,
to
be
honest,
especially
as
we're
trying
to
uplift
all
the
neighborhoods
to
get
to
the
certain
place.
So
I
envision
that
they're
going
to
apply
for
the
grant,
maybe
at
different
times
or
we
would
know
if
there's
grant
funding
going
on
after
this
year.
B
If
I
could,
this
will
be
a
great
discussion
to
have
late.
This
fall
as
we
start
the
next
budget
cycle,
because
hopefully
many
of
them
will
have
already
gone
through
the
process
at
that
point,
and
then
we
know
what
we
need
to
budget
in
the
next
fiscal
year.
Again,
late
late
fall
this
year.
Okay,
the
money
does
not
hold
over.
B
I
Guess
I
was
just
because
we
were
talking
about
the
innovation
grant
potentially
being
more
than
that
thousand
dollar
like
allowance
for
for
this
specific
project,
and
it's
like.
When
would
we
know
if
we
had
more
than
a
thousand
dollars
in
that
pool
based
on
if
neighborhoods
took
their
grant
or
not?
Would
it
just
be
like?
Would
we
calculate
out
like
one
neighborhood
took
700,
and
so
we
have
an
extra
300
or
would
that
just
be
something
that
we
talk
about
for
next
year?
I.
B
O
B
We're
going
to
want
to
know,
are
you
still
planning
to
apply
for
this
thousand
dollars
because
you
haven't
yet
and
you've
only
got.
You
know
a
few
months
left
type
of
thing
and
if
we
start
to
hear
back
that
some
of
them
are
not
going
to
take
advantage
of
that,
then
we
could
open
up
the
opportunity
for
more
innovative
grants
that
you
see
here.
Okay,
so.
G
L
L
B
L
G
So
I
think
to
connie's
point,
and
some
of
this
discussion
has
been
going
on
in
in
my
ward,
where
I
I
don't
think
that
the
merger,
I
think
they'll
all
get
their
thousand
dollars,
hopefully
before
the
merger
would
take
place,
but
going
forward
next
year.
I
I'd
like
to
see
go
off
a
population.
It
would
be
the
only
fair
thing,
because
if
you
have
four
neighborhood
groups
formed
together
and
they
have
you
know
four
times
the
amount
of
I
mean.
I
just
think
it
should
go
by
population
at
that
point.
G
If
we're
going
to
do
this
annually,
I
guess
we'll
have
to
come
up
with
some
type
of
formula
of
how
much
this
thousand
dollars
per.
I
don't
even
know
how
that
is
going
to
work,
but
those
are
those
are
the
type
of
things
that
I
know
that
some
of
the
neighborhood
groups
that
are
thinking
about
merging
together
those
were
some
of
their
questions.
Okay,
so
then
did
we
just
get
a
thousand
dollars,
and
we
have
you
know
what
half
of
the
south
side.
B
So
again
worthy
of
more
conversation.
I
I
want
us
today
this
morning
to
see
how
this
gets
started
and
that
that
the
council's
agreeable
that
this
is
a
good
way
to
get
started,
but
that
we
come
back
to
have
those
conversations
about
is
the
thousand
dollars
per
neighborhood
association.
The
right
approach,
because
maybe
there
are
other
metrics
that
make
sense
to
geographically
population
other
situations
that
may
need
to
change
that.
J
K
I
think,
in
that
phase,
two
that
I
outlined
some
of
that
strategic
alliance
is
something
that
I
hope
that
we
could
tackle
through
these
conversations.
Certainly,
I've
heard
a
lot
of
conversations
about
the
mergers
as
well
been
apart.
A
lot
of
the
conversations
that
are
currently
happening
in
ward
4.
K
G
G
L
H
B
L
No,
I
just
you
know
this
is
after
well,
carl
and
I
get
when
I
first
got
on
the
council.
I
was
like
when
you
start
going
to
51
meetings
for
a
few
of
us.
It
was
very
evident
the
difference
between
them,
and
I
thought
it
was
very
important
that
we
had
somebody
in
our
city
staff
that
could
help
coordinate
and
help
give
them
strength
and
what
how
we
share
information
and
that's
why
heather's
been
a
great
addition.
L
I've
heard
great
comments
of
your
information
you're,
giving
and
the
support,
because
if
we
want
neighborhoods
to
get
stronger,
we
need
to
help
provide
that
support
some
struggle,
some
don't,
but
it's
an
ongoing
thing
that
we
just
need
to
figure
out
a
better
way
to
build
up
them
and
be
supportive
of
them.
So
I
appreciate
what
you're
doing
I
support
this.
L
G
C
F
K
K
I
Right
that
this
might
be
really
hard
to
you
know,
do
do
all
of
these
things
when
they're
already
kind
of
feeling
overwhelmed
overwhelmed
was
a
word,
but
I
think
that
this
is
a
really
good
like
structure
right.
It's
a
really
good
outline
and
then
taking
this
to
the
neighborhood
associations
and
finding
what
works
for
them
immediately
and
what
steps
would
need
to
be
wait
for
later,
I
think
is
going
to
be
in
my,
in
my
view,
like
the
best
way
to
go
about
it.
A
Heather,
you
and
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
talk,
but
I
really
like
the
the
work
that
you've
done
since
november.
It
looks
like
we're
headed
in
a
direction.
I
will
tell
you
that,
for
some
of
us
that
have
been
watching
neighborhood
associations
since
begin
to
form
and
remember
the
fran
koons
is
the
nadine
hogates
and
the
alice
rodines
that
started
this
whole
thing.
A
It's
interesting,
is
you
spend
time
with
each
of
these
neighborhoods
in
heaven,
quite
frankly,
been
to
every
one
of
them
when
we
had
58
of
them
and
some
have
consolidated
over
time,
but
they
all
came
together
for
different
reasons,
some
of
them
up
in
drake.
They
have
a
number
of
issues,
but
among
one
of
them
is
they've
got
a
whole
neighborhood
gardening
program,
where
they've
got
a
whole
set
of
people
that
are
coming
together
to
do
some
of
that
stuff.
A
In
addition
to
some
of
the
other
things,
there's
others
remember
up
on
the
river
bend,
they
had
issues
about
safety,
public
safety
in
that
neighborhood
and
some
strange
things
that
were
going
on
back
in
the
80s
and
90s,
and
they
all
came
together
to
try
to
work
on
some
of
those
issues
which
was
a
safety
issue.
Other
areas
was
infrastructure
about
sidewalks
about
street
sewers
is
joe
has
pointed
out
some
other
places
on
the
south
side.
Some
of
them
came
together
because
there
weren't
curbs,
gutters
and
sidewalks
along
some
of
those
streets.
A
On
the
south
side,
it
was
still
like
a
rural
kind
of
an
area,
so
you
know
they
communicate
to
us
and
we
try
to
respond
as
elected
officials
to
deliver
some
of
the
stuff
that
they
want.
But
it's
been
interesting
to
watch
all
that
different
input
in
the
different
levels
of
of
engagement
of
different
neighborhoods.
You
know
you
go
to
the
south
side,
neighborhood
in
southwestern
hills.
A
You
know,
they'll
get
big
turnouts,
but
they're
what
quarterly
and
they
show
up
and
they'll,
have
50
to
100
people
and,
as
everybody
pointed
out,
go
to
some
of
these
others.
You
get
three
or
four,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
they
don't
have
purpose
and
they
don't
have
it.
It's
just
trying
to
get
that
communication
out,
which
I
think
this
whole
plan
to
get
input
from
the
people
that
live
there
and
work
there
and
see
how
we
can
get
a
more
direct
communication.
A
A
B
P
E
So
a
little
bit
about
property
history.
Of
course
it
was
originally
the
fire
station.
One
in
december
of
2012,
the
property
was
rezoned
to
c3a
and
c3
2013
title
transferred
to
the
des
moines
social
club.
The
development
agreement
showed
a
potential
outside
venue.
A
certificate
of
occupancy
was
issued
for
assembly
use
december
31st
of
2013..
E
E
E
E
E
G
E
E
It's
a
mixed
use
for
areas
in
the
city
that
we
want
sort
of
a
mixed
use,
residential
commercial,
mixed
use.
They
are
it
so
just
to
give
you
some
background.
This
area
used
to
be
zoned
the
c3
c3b,
and
that
was
mixed
use
under
the
old
ordnance,
and
it
was,
it
was
downtown,
only
were
the
mixed
use
districts
when
we
re-zoned
the
city.
Mixed-Use
districts
are
now
scattered
on
nodes
and
corridors
everywhere,
and
a
mixed
use
could
be
an
mx1
rx1.
E
I
F
E
G
G
E
What
we
didn't
realize
is
the
ordinance
actually
said
mixed
use
and
it
didn't
come
out,
and
so
that
was
an
unintended
loophole
that
allows
this
site
to
have
85
dbc
at
eight
times
a
month.
I,
when
we
did
it,
we
did
not
intend
for
this
to
be
an
event
venue.
It
just
got
a
loophole
sort
of
by
mistake,
but.
E
We
did
hold
a
public
meeting
on
march
28th.
There
are
pro
approximately
30
people
in
attendance
residents
of
the
condos
developer
des
moines
social
club
transition,
team
staff,
members
from
neighborhood
services,
economic
development,
and
we
did
have
two
people
from
the
downtown
neighborhood
association
at
the
public
meeting.
E
E
E
E
Development,
the
developers
feedback
was,
they
will
remove
the
stage
they
they
constructed
a
social
club's
correct,
constructive
stage
out
there
they're
going
to
take
it
out,
but
they
still
would
hold
outside
amplified.
Events
they're,
not
sure
what
they'll
do
with
the
front
building
they
plan
to
lease
the
rear
view,
building
the
fire
fighters
union
and
that
building
they
would
have
office
space,
but
they
also
want
to
hire
an
events
coordinator
in
order
to
run
events
out
of
that
space,
and
they
would
then
lease
the
outside
and
the
interior
and
exterior
events
with
amplified
sound.
E
E
E
E
So
we
did
take
sound
readings
on
april
7th
to
determine
ambient
determine
how
the
neighboring
dwellings
were
affected.
We
did
have
one
unit
that
we
could
use
for
both
inside
and
outside
readings
inside
and
then
outside
on
the
patio
we
took
readings
at
85,
90
and
100,
and
then
this
is
the
table
and
I'm
going
to
let
the
sergeant
talk
about
sound.
F
Q
So
you'll
see
three
readings
up
there
for
each
sound
reading,
the
lceq
lcf
max
and
lcp,
and
I
want
to
explain
what
those
mean,
because
we're
trying
to
paint
a
picture
of
a
very
dynamic
situation
using
static
numbers
and
and
sound
is
a
it's
a
it's
a
dynamic
thing
and
there's
a
lot
of
mitigating
factors.
When
we
talk
about
it.
So
when
you
see
a
reading
of
lceq,
the
easiest
way
to
explain
this
is
with
a
a
speed
analogy.
Q
We
take
a
reading
for
a
certain
amount
of
time
and,
of
course,
there's
peaks
and
valleys
to
that
reading,
especially
when
you're
playing
music,
okay,
music
goes
up
and
down,
there's
varying
different
frequencies.
Each
instrument
is
playing
in
a
different
frequency
range,
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
what
the
meter
is
doing
is
converting
all
those
peaks
and
valleys
over
that
course
of
time
to
what
an
equivalent
sound
energy
would
be
received.
If
you
just
received
a
constant
tone.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Also,
when
we
talk
about
sound,
we
can't
talk
about
sound
without
talking
about
distance,
because
suan
said
you
know,
65
we're
easily
exceeding
65
in
here
at
least
the
distance
I'm
talking
to
you
is
in
excess
of
65.
someone
in
the
back
of
the
room,
obviously
not
getting
the
same
amount
because
of
the
distance.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Well,
where
we
have
the
speakers
set
up
for
this
test,
we're
in
the
middle
of
the
the
courtyard
there
at
the
fire
stational
fire
station
from
there
to
the
edge
of
the
neighboring
property
is
30
feet.
So
there's
really
no
there's
no
distance
for
the
sound
to
degrade
when
we're
talking
about
this
program
here.
Q
Q
Yes,
and
I
know
one
of
the
suggestions
I
apologize,
if
I'm
getting
all
over
the
place,
sorry
all
right,
that's
all
right!
One
of
the
I
one
of
the
suggestions,
suanne
read
was
that
residents
recommend
the
sound,
be
pointed
away
from
their
building
that
wouldn't
make
any
difference.
Sound
comes
out
in
a
cone
or
a
bubble
shape,
and
so
you
could
face
the
speakers
up
down
left
right
it
it's
distance
of
30
feet,
it's
not
making
any
difference.
Q
Q
So
that's
what
that
lceq
number
is
now.
I
know
during
your
trip,
you
went
faster.
Sometimes
you
went
slower
other
times
that
lc
peak
is
the
absolute
fastest
speed.
You
would
have
traveled.
I
have
no,
and
if
you're
going
to
get
a
ticket
for
speeding,
you
know
you
can't
argue
with
you
know
in
court
and
say
well.
My
average
speed
over
the
trip
was
so
when
we're
talking
about
ambient
readings.
Q
The
lceq
reading
is
actually
pretty
decent
at
painting
us
a
picture
of
what
the
ambient
noise
level
is
on
average
right,
because
it's
an
average
it's
telling
you
average
what
you're
getting,
but
that
peak
is
the
loudest
noise
that
you
would
hear
I
and
so
again
sergeant
mckinney
and
I
took
these
readings.
I
took
some
at
night.
He
took
some
during
the
day
that
lc
peak
of
96
and
99
is.
I
was
standing
on
the
corner,
9th
and
mulberry
next
to
the
viaduct
and
as
a
car
drives
by
me,
the
tire
noise
on
the
road.
Q
Q
K
Q
Q
Every
time
we
increase
10
decibels,
that's
twice
as
loud,
so
our
current
residential
ordinance
for
resident
single
family
duplexes,
you
know
residential
area
is
60
decibels
during
the
day.
So
that
means
music.
That's
85
decibels,
it's
two
and
a
half
or
four
and
a
half
times
six
times
louder.
Excuse
me,
then,
what
the
ordinance
allows
so
every
time
you're,
you're
multiplying
by
two
and
a
half
times
times,
four.
Q
J
Q
Q
So
that's
actually
playing
music.
So
when
you
say
when
you
see
pink
to
make
this
as
scientific
as
we
possibly
could,
we
played
what's
called
pink
noise,
and
I
played
council
member
shoemaker-
you
weren't
here
for
this,
when
we
did
the
lordson
amphitheater
presentation,
if
you
all
remember
that
sounds
like
tv
static,
but
what
pink
music
is.
Is
it's
playing
every
frequency
audible
to
the
human
ear
at
the
same
time,
so
it
sounds
like
static,
but
it's
it's
a
way
to
test
sound
equipment
and
it's
fair
because
you
can
say
like
well.
Q
This
genre
of
music
is
heavier
on
treble.
This
genre
of
music
is
heavier
on
bass.
Well,
if
we
play
pink
noise,
there's
there's
no
argument.
You
know
everything
levels
the
same,
so
what
we
did
is
the
sound
company
that
was
hired
was
kind
enough.
They
they
brought
their
own
meter.
We
made
sure
that
our
meters
were
matching
each
other
and
then
I
had
him.
Q
The
sound
engineer
turned
the
sound
up
to
our
desired
reading
at
his
meter,
which
was
about
20
feet
from
the
speakers
where
they
would
have
their
sound
board
set
up.
If
you
all
remember
the
term
front
of
house
from
our
previous
presentations
front
of
house,
is
the
music
industries
speak
for
wherever
the
sound
mixer
is
sitting
during
a
concert?
Q
And
we
figure
in
that
courtyard
that
right
where
the
old
radio
tower
is
is
about
where
they
would
set
up
front
of
house,
and
so
that's
where
his
meter
was
set
up
and
then
we
went
up
to
the
unit.
So
I
had
him
target
a
sound
reading
level.
Reading
for
the
peak
mind
you
I
wanted
him
to
hit
a
peak
of
80.
Was
it
85,
95
and
100?
Is
that
right,
85,
90
and
100?
Q
And
then
we
try
to
see
what
we
got
in
inside
the
unit
and
outside
the
unit.
So
I'd
like
to
start
outside
the
unit
first
and
as
you
can
see
it's
really,
I
would
actually
disregard
the
fact
that
the
the
peak
is
higher
than
the
what
85
pink
you
see
at
91.
Really,
what's
that
mean
is
we
were
hitting
91
because
we
were
talking
if
he
had
his
meter,
set
up
30
feet
from
or
25
feet
from
the
speakers
and
we're
30
feet
away
on
the
balcony?
We're
hearing
the
same
thing
right
so
really?
Q
What
that
mean?
It's
really
hard
to
hit
the
peak.
You
know
because
the
music
fluctuates
up
and
down,
but
there's
basically,
what
this
story
tells
is,
if
they're
out,
if
the
residents
are
out
on
their
balconies
on
that
east
side
of
that
look
magazine,
building,
they're
hearing
whatever
the
whatever
the
concert's
playing,
there's
no
reduction
in
sound
there's.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Is
what
they're
hearing
I
would
focus?
I
would
focus
on
the
peak
readings
right
now
for
what
we're
talking
about
okay
yeah.
So
if
they're
playing
85
pink
noise
inside
they're
getting
about
10
decibel
reduction,
so
it's
about
twice
as
quiet
inside
their
unit
as
what's
being
played
outside
and
again
that's
a
testament
to
the
the
construction.
That's.
Q
It's
as
fast
as
the
guitar
players
strumming
their
strings
or
as
loud
as
the
singer's
yelling.
At
that
particular
point
I
mean
it's
the
absolute
peak
and
that's
that's
why
we
talk
about
it's
tough
to
get
when
we're
talking
about
music
right.
It's
changing
all
the
time
and
my
difficulty
with,
because,
not
surprisingly,
when
I
go
take
sound
readings,
the
person
who
we're
taking
the
reading
on
likes
to
focus
on
the
eq
reading
the
average,
because
that's
normally
much
more
in
their
favor.
Q
Okay,
if
I,
you
called
the
police
to
deal
with
this-
and
I
said
well
yeah,
but
when
he's
not
hitting
the
drum
it's
ambient,
so
you're
only
getting
an
average.
You
know
between
those
two.
I
don't
think
you'd
be
happy
with
me
telling
you
had
to
deal
with
it,
because
the
average
between
him,
not
hitting
me
not
hitting
the
drum
and
me
hitting
the
drum,
was
somewhat
lower
right.
Q
No,
the
eq,
the
eq,
is
a
mathematical
formula
that
if
we
could
convert
that
song
into
a
constant
noise
like
this
constant
tone,
okay,
that's
what
your
the
sound
energy
your
body
would
receive.
That's
why
I
said
it's
good
for
painting
a
picture
of
what
the
ambient
is,
but
when
you're
talking
about
music,
I
don't
think
the
eq
gives
you
a
good
story,
because
it's
it's
it's
leveling
out
those
peaks
and
bringing
up
those
valleys.
Q
Q
H
Q
Q
Q
E
H
I
Sorry,
what
was
the
highest
91
95
95.?
So
I
guess
I
didn't
really
get
a
feeling
for
we
have
this.
90
music
would
be
73
decibels.
I
didn't
get
a
feeling
for
like
what
that
sounds
like
on
the
human
ear.
What
the
experience
is
like
when
you're
in
your
home,
it's
it's
loud
because
we
said
65
was
just
like
talking
right.
So
73
is
double
double
that
yeah.
Okay,
right.
Q
I
I
think
another
really
important
thing
to
point
out
that
I
meant
to
go
over
earlier.
Is
our
ears
perceive
different
frequencies
as
being
louder
than
other
frequencies?
So
your
smoke
alarm
in
your
house,
the
nfpa
standard
for
smoke
alarms
is
85
decibels
at
5
meters
from
the
from
the
which
is
a
long
ways
away
from
it.
Q
But
do
any
of
you
want
to
stand
underneath
the
smoke
alarm
without
plugging
yours,
I
mean
it's
just
piercing
right,
very
high
frequency.
Our
ears
perceive
that
as
being
louder,
if
I
played
for
you
85
decibels
of
like
a
60,
hertz
bass,
note,
it
would
be
rumbling
our
tables
at
100
decibels,
but
it
wouldn't
be
hurting
your
ears
because,
because
the
sound
pressure
level
is
the
same,
but
it's
coming,
it's
hitting
your
ears
at
a
much.
You
know
your
ears
are
getting
vibrated
so
much
more
slowly.
It
doesn't
hurt
like
the
high
frequency
one
does.
Q
So
when
we
talk
about
those
peaks
that
we
took.
The
readings
of
a
southwest
ninth
with
the
cars
driving
by
tire
noise
is
about
a
thousand
hertz,
which
is
the
average
human
voice
frequency
and
it's
a
constant
noise
right.
It's
just
as
it
goes
by
it's.
Not
it
doesn't
change
at
all.
It's
very
constant
noise.
So
when
people
are
playing
music,
the
experience
of,
what's
bothering
you
is
going
to
be
so
much
more
different
than
tire
noise.
Q
The
ambient
noise
level
at
my
house
is
actually
pretty
high
because
of
I-235,
but
I
can
tell
you
every
time
a
motorcycle
drives
by
and
when
there's
events
going
on,
where
they're
playing
amplified
music
in
my
neighborhood
it
it
bothers
me
much
more
differently
than
the
sound
of
I-235,
because
the
i235
noise
is
a
constant.
You
know
kind
of
a
background
background
noise,
white
noise-
if
you
know
we
all
if
anybody
sleeps
with
a
white
noise
machine
or
sleeps
with
a
fan
on
its
list,
it's
comparing
apples
and
oranges.
E
So,
just
to
make
a
comparison,
we
had
a
lot
of
talk
about
east
village
and
noise
pollution
in
east
village,
and
so
what
was
decided
to
protect
residents?
There
was
no
amplified
sound
on
patios
within
250
feet
of
a
residential
occupancy
street
closure
locations
are
limited
to
the
major
streets
and
in
the
east
village,
all
amplified
sound
must
end
by
10
pm.
They
are
allowed
to
have
on
patios
the
background
sound
at
65
dbc.
E
E
So
one
of
the
considerations
that
the
council
can
take
into
account
are
amended.
We
are
going
to
amend
the
code
to
take
out
all
references
citywide
to
mixed
uses.
This
allows
us
then,
to
take
venues
and
decide
what
their
sound
level
should
be
per
venue
like
we've
done
in
the
past,
so
lordson
has
its
own.
E
Britain
has
its
own
botanical
center,
has
its
own
riverview
each
one
of
these
we've
taken
and
analyzed
where
it
is
what
the
impacts
on
the
resonance
are
going
to
be
and
set
the
limits
accordingly,
due
to
the
mathematical
formulas
of
noise
control,
so
that
we
get,
we
get
it
right
now
we
have.
We
have
tweaked
things.
We
don't
think
lordsen
is
correct.
E
We
tweaked
east
village,
we
tweaked
brenton
when
it
was
having
problems
with
being
too
loud
for
residents
in
that
neighborhood.
We
believe
that
we
should
continue
to
tweak
the
sound
ordnance
based
on
where
the
where
the
venue
is
and
what
kind
of
sound
is
acceptable
in
that
in
that
area.
So
that
would
be
my
recommendation.
E
If
council
wishes
to
add
some
sound
to
this
venue,
we
would
suggest
85
dbc
ending
at
10
pm.
Again.
It
doesn't
matter
where
the
stage
faces,
but
we
would
like
them
to
put
in
a
sound
buffer
that
might
direct
some
of
that
sound
away
from
the
building.
Although
I
doubt
that's
probably
going
to
help
because
it'll
just
bounce
off
the
wall
and
bounce
back
over
with
a
limit
of
65
dbc
on
the
rooftop
patio
or
on
the
lower
patio
without
the
85
dbc,
and
maybe
allow
one
amplified
event
a
month
in
the
courtyard.
F
E
E
G
E
They
want
both
and
to
us
it
doesn't
matter
what
the
type
of
amplified
music
is,
whether
it's
a
concert
or
a
dj.
It's
all
the
same.
I
don't
think
they're
going
to
have
ac
dc
or
you
know
anything
I
mean
I
got
cl
get
that,
but
there
are
local
bands
that
that
can
be.
You
know
at
that
level.
Receptions
can
be
with
djs
can
be
quite
loud.
J
E
We
do
not
want
to
keep
track
of
the
type
of
music
based
on
complaints.
That's
not
going
to
get
us
where
we
need
to
be.
It
has
to
be
the
level
of
the
music,
because
I'll
tell
you
what
a
country,
a
country
band
right
now
is
heavily
based.
The
modern
country
bands
they're
heavily
base
oriented
same
with
some
of
the
you
know,
other
like
blues
bands
or
heavily.
I
mean
I'm
not
going
to
say
that
one
type
of
music
creates
more
of
a
problem
than
another,
because
it's
all
the
same.
E
J
I
I
mean
I
will
say
I
don't
know
that
anything
above
the
85
is
something
that
I'm
willing
to
consider.
But
if
we've
previously
had
events
at
85,
I
guess
I'd
like
a
better
understanding
of
the
range
of
things
that
are
being
proposed
and
and
what
what
we're
looking
to
hey
so,
mr
mayor,
if,
if
we
want
to
make
make
an
exception
and
let
let
them
come
up
and
try
and
explain
it
so
that
we
all
have
the
benefit
of
understanding.
P
P
P
We
were
marketing
it
a
little
bit
to
some
of
that
type
of
use,
and
then
we
found
out
that
the
zoning
ordinance
has
changed
and
the
sound
ordnance
was
a
little
bit
in
question.
So
we've
been
dying
diving
into
it
a
little
bit
the
transition
board
hired
darren
who's
gonna,
maybe
give
a
little
bit
more
information
on
sound.
He
was
the
other
half
at
the
property
when
they
did
the
sound
testing.
So.
R
Mayor
members
of
the
council,
so
to
start
off
in
full
disclosure,
I
was
asked
to
come
here
by
the
developers.
I
am
not
on
the
payroll
developers,
I'm
not
part
of
the
plan
to
be
on
management
or
any
part
of
the
des
moines
social
club.
So
I'm
simply
speaking
here
as
someone
who's
been
in
the
live
event
industry
for
15
years,
I
hold
two
degrees
in
engineering,
so
I'm
coming
from
a
scientific
background.
R
I
spoke
in
front
of
most
of
you
about
the
lords
and
things
so
my
my
skin
in
the
game
is
not
so
much.
I
need
it
to
be
as
loud
as
possible
or
no
concerts
at
all.
My
skin
in
the
game
is
for
me
to
be
able
to
do
my
job
as
a
live,
sound
engineer,
the
the
measurements
that
are
listed
in
the
the
ordinances
need
to
make
sense
and
they
need
to
be
tenable.
R
You
know
you
can't
put
a
15
mile
an
hour,
speed
limit
on
a
highway
and
you
can't
put
an
85
mile
an
hour
speed
limit
in
a
you
know,
residential
area,
so
a
couple
things
that
I
did
want
to
hit
really
quickly.
Regarding
the
events
that
did
happen
at
the
social
club,
I
was
not
at
many
of
them.
My
gut
check
again.
This
is
based
on
just
kind
of
15
years
of
experience
and
knowing
the
kind
of
events
that
happened
there.
R
My
gut
check
is
at
front
of
house
those
events
measured
probably
about
110
to
120
decibels
at
that
at
that
location.
Those
are
the
kinds
of
events
that,
based
on
other
events,
that
I've
done.
That
would
be
kind
of
my
thing.
There
are
also
a
couple
of
notes
that
I
would
like
to
bring
a
little
light
to
the
science
a
little
bit
more.
There
are
a
couple
of
items
that
the
officer
mentioned,
one
thing
being
that
sound.
R
Dissipates
equally
spherically,
and
that
is
true
if
you
are
using
an
ideal
source
of
sound,
but
speakers
are
designed
to
throw
sound
in
a
certain
direction.
Generally
speaking,
the
lower
in
frequency,
you
go
the
more
spherical.
It
is,
but
high
frequency
from
speakers.
If
you
point
a
speaker
that
way
and
stand
behind
it,
it
will
sound
a
little
muffled.
So
there
there's
that
noi
note
that
I
would
like
to
put
in
there.
R
The
other
note
is
that
if
the
ambient
noise
level
for
the
ordinance
is
at
65
decibel
c,
so
I
was
the
company
that
was
hired
like,
like
you
mentioned,
to
provide
the
sound
equipment.
I
was
measuring
the
courtyard
with
birds,
chirping
and
just
traffic
noises.
The
ambient
noise
measurement
was
70
to
72
in
the
courtyard.
So
again
I
there.
There
is
a
very
good
merit
to
the
argument
that
background
traffic
noise
feels
and
sounds
different
and
is
different,
is
annoying
essentially
differently
than
live
music.
R
The
meter
cannot
discern
between
a
car
noise
and
an
acoustic
guitar.
So,
if
65
decibels,
that
dbc
is
the
suggested
limit
for
the
courtyard,
they
would
violate
the
sound
ordnance
by
having
an
empty
parking
lot.
So
I
I
just
I
want
to
kind
of
bring
bring
that
point
to
light
and
you
tested
it.
While
you
were.
R
R
When
the
train
came
through,
I
metered
I
took
a
video,
I
didn't.
Actually
I
don't
actually
have
the
number,
but
I
want
to
say
it
was
what
around
85
to
90.
that
sound,
but
it
was
yeah.
So
the
you
know
the
train
itself
and
again.
This
is
this
is
something
that
the
meter,
the
meter
doesn't.
No,
the
meter
is
simply
just
a
measurement
of
the
change
in
sound
pressure
level
and
as
another
note
to
the
the
the
measurement
itself,
I
do
have
to
speak
to
the
peak
reading.
R
So,
if
you'll
allow
me
a
brief
demonstration
drawing
here,
so
the
human
ear
does
not
hear
instantaneous
sound
the
human
ear
hears
vibrations.
Vibration
is
a
function
of
time.
There
needs
to
be
a
certain
amount
of
time
for
a
vibration
to
happen.
Otherwise
you
are
looking
at
a
singular
point
on
a
graph.
So
peak
is
a
measurement
of
that
singular
point.
So
if
we
are
talking
about
a
kick
drum,
a
the
waveform
of
a
kick
drum
is
going
to
have
a
very
big
initial
peak
and
then
die
off
like
that.
R
So
so
there
is
a
very,
very
big
difference
between
the
maximum
reading
and
a
peak
reading.
So
maximum
is
the
absolute
maximum
of
that
1
8,
second,
that
he
mentioned
the
maximum
value
of
that
1
8
second
time
averaging
across
that
minute
of
reading.
So
it's
averaging
every
eighth
of
a
second,
the
maximum
of
all
of
those
averages
is
the
maximum
reading.
The
peak
is
that
absolute
point
at
the
very
top
of
that
that
kick
drum
right
here
now
again,
what
he
said
makes
sense
is
like
well,
we
want
to.
R
So
the
snare
drum
may
hit
going
down
the
next
snare
drum
may
hit
and
the
waveform
may
read
going
up.
So
if
I'm
hitting
kick
drum
and
snare
drum
at
the
same
time,
wouldn't
be
very
good
musician.
That's
that's
what
I'm
doing
the
two
may,
depending
on
where
they
line
up
on
that
waveform
may
peak
twice
as
high,
if
my
snare
drum,
if
I'm
slightly
off
this
valley,
may
hit
that
peak
and
may
cancel
it
out
on
the
waveform.
R
The
two
are
still
going
to
sound
exactly
the
same
in
volume
because
I'm
hitting
them
at
the
same
time.
So
the
peak
measurement
is
not,
is
the
absolute
instantaneous
maximum,
not
the
absolute
time
average
value
so
from
a
scientific
perspective?
No
other
city
uses
peak
no
sound
engineer
uses
peak
because
you
have
what's
also
called
crest
factor
is
a
term
that's
used.
Crest
factor
is
the
difference
between
your
peak
and
your
time.
Averaged.
Reading
live
music
has
a
crest
factor
of
about
20
to
30
decibels,
sometimes
even
higher.
R
What
that
means
is,
if
you
play
pre-recorded
music,
as
was
mentioned
over
here,
if
you
play
pre-recorded
music,
that
sounds
90
decibels
loud
and
then
have
a
two
time:
average
90
decibels
and
you
have
a
live
band.
That's
playing
90
decibels,
time
average.
That
time
average
will
meter
exactly
the
same.
The
peak
measurement
on
that
recorded
music
may
meter.
100,
the
peak
on
that
live
band,
maybe
to
125..
R
So
if
you
use
peak
measurement
as
the
even
the
updated
ordinance,
if
you
use
peak
measurement,
every
single
outdoor
live
event
in
the
city
would
be
in
violation
of
the
ordinance.
So
I
just
I
just
have
to
again
I
have.
I
guess
I
have
some
skin
in
the
game,
because
if
I
can't
do
live
events,
I
can't
operate
my
business,
but
I
just
want
to
do
something.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
measurement
is
tenable
for
me
as
an
audio
engineer,
to
actually
complete.
R
B
J
P
With
and
you
know,
that's
something
that's
been
brought
up
again.
This
was
a
little
bit
new
to
us
as
we
were
going
through
this
aspect.
When
we
were
looking
at
the
social
club,
a
lot
of
people
have
been
asking.
What
do
you
envision
and
I've
relayed
to
a
lot
of
people
myself
and
paul
rothenberg
paul
rottenberg,
who
owns
orchestrate
hospitality,
number
restaurants
around
town,
but
we
have
we
own,
mallow
malo's,
been
in
place
at
the
social
club
since
it
opened
in
2014.
P
We
did
a
fairly
significant
renovation
right
before
the
social
club
closed
to
mollo
and
we
raised
our
hands.
This
is
what
I
do
commercial
real
estate.
We
knew
the
opportunities
with
this
property
and
a
lot
of
the
hurdles
as
we
were
going
through
it.
You
know
we
were
looking
at
that
back
billing
as
trying
to
maintain
and
preserve
the
amount
of
energy
and
money
that
our
community
invested
into
that
for
live
performance,
performance,
art
and
events.
P
The
courtyard
was
discussed
quite
a
few
times,
as
today
it
has
the
tower
in
place.
It
has
a
wooden
stage.
It's
a
pretty
harsh
space.
It
was
discussed
a
lot.
How
can
we
make
that
courtyard
softer?
How
can
we
make
it
more
inviting?
How
can
we
utilize
it
better
as
a
enclosed
event
space,
and
so
that's
what
we
spent
some
time
and
looked
at
we've
hired
confluence
landscape
architects
to
work
on
some
designs
to
sort
of
figure?
P
Some
of
that
out
again,
we
do
have
the
intention
of
bringing
down
the
stage
as
well
as
the
tower
when
we
look
at
events
again,
I'm
not
in
the
event
world,
I'm
not
in
the
music
world.
I
reached
out
to
a
couple
of
people
that
are
and
said
you
know
at
what
level
is
this
appropriate
and
right
wrong
or
indifferent?
P
They
are
saying:
hey
todd,
you
know
to
do
any
live
performance
out
there
in
a
environment
like
that,
you
have
to
be
around
a
hundred,
and
so
that's
what
our
original
request
was.
I've
learned
a
lot
more
from
everybody
involved
in
this
to
sort
of
see
what
it
is,
including
attending
the
readings
that
day.
P
P
For
that
to
come
about
for
them
to
be
successful
there
and
be
able
to
keep
that
afloat,
it's
going
to
involve
renting
out
their
in
essence,
union
hall
for
events
and
those
events
are
going
to
be
everything
from
a
wedding
retirement
party.
We
have
girls
rock,
that's
looking
a
spot
to
use
this
summer
for
a
summer
camp.
For
a
couple
weeks.
It's
going
to
be
an
event
space
that
can
range
all
over
we're,
not
looking
at
this
to
be
a
concert
venue.
P
What
I
don't
want
to
get
into
is-
and
I
understand
that
there's
residential
condo
units
adjacent
to
the
space-
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
a
situation
where
I'm
at
conflict
with
my
neighbors
on
a
constant
basis.
Part
of
the
numbers
that
we
are
requesting
is,
if
we
end
up
at
85.
My
fear
from
talking
with
the
people
in
the
music
industry
in
the
event
industry
is
that
we're
going
to
be
breaking
that
on
a
very
constant
basis,
and
then,
if
we're,
you
know
it's
just
going
to
create
conflict.
P
So
some
of
the
numbers
that
I'm
requesting,
which
again
aren't
overly
science
are
being
told,
are
at
numbers
so
that
we
can
work
with
them.
You
know
we
looked
at
it,
sort
of
saying:
hey
how
many
events
are
we
going
to
use
or
not
again?
A
lot
of
this
is
going
to
be
more.
So
what
is
going
to
be
in
demand
for
that
back
building
the
theater
building.
We
know
there's
going
to
be
some
events
that
are
going
to
be
hey.
P
We
want
to
use
the
rooftop
patio
for
a
get
together
for
our
20
people.
That
would
be
something
that
they
would
be
able
to
rent
that
out
and
generate
some
income
to
cover
their
overhead
for
the
space.
There
will
also
be
a
heritage
festival
that
might
say
hey.
We
want
to
rent
out
the
back
building
in
the
courtyard
for
a
day-long
celebration
and
that
might
include
some
amplified
sound
from
a
band
that
they
would
bring.
P
This
is
not
something
that
we're
looking
to
be
bringing
in
regional
acts
to
do
concerts,
there's
plenty
of
great
spots
in
town
for
us
to
do
that,
so
we're
just
trying
to
get
to
a
number
that
we
can
facilitate
a
little
bit
again.
The
the
aspect
of
what
the
firefighters
union
is
looking
at
and
and
move
forward
from
there.
I
I
will
say-
and
I
don't
want
to
overstep
too
much,
because
it's
not
my
ward,
but
this
is
our.
The
social
club
had
been
like
a
really
important
cultural
space
for
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community.
I
think
that
moving
forward
it
would
be
good
to
have
this
cultural
space
again
for
events
having
the
courtyard.
I
P
Q
Q
If
they
had
an
acoustic
set
or
just
people
in
the
courtyard
the
way
the
ordinance
reads-
they're
held
to
the
same
decibel
level,
but
it's
changed
to
a
weighted.
So
we
measure
unamplified,
music
and
the
human
voice
in
a
weighted
and
amplified
music
gets
measured
in
c
weighted.
So
that's
the
only
distinction
that,
after
the
simplification,
that's
the
only
distinction
that's
been
made
is
the
the
weight,
the
weighting
level
and
it
to
explain
that
a
little
further
you'll
remember
weighted
grades
in
school.
Q
You
know
if
you
get
a
b,
you
get
points
for
an
a,
so
the
meter
gives
a
different
weight
to
each
frequency,
so
a
weighting
gives
a
big
break
to
base.
So
if
you're
playing
like
a
60,
hertz
bass,
note
at
100
decibels
the
reader,
the
meter
is
going
to
read
80
in
the
c
weighted
scale.
If
you
play
that
same
100
decibel
bass
note,
the
reader
meter
is
going
to
give
us
97..
Q
R
Is
why,
which
is
why
I
don't
know
the
timeline
on
this
one,
but
initially
initially
the
the
ordinance
was
100
a
across
the
city
and
that's
actually
relatively
attainable
for
even
loud
concerts
100a,
then
people
kept
complaining
about
base
meters
were
right.
Meters
were
taken
found
that
they
were
not
in
violation
of
the
ordinance.
Oh
well,
we're
not
accounting
for
base
so
switch
to
100
c.
But
now,
when
you
add
the
base
in
there,
something
that
is
full
frequency
audio
that
may
meter
90
a
may
meter,
110
c.
R
E
J
N
Okay
awesome,
mr
mayor
council
members.
Thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
jim
heckman,
I'm
the
president
of
the
homeowners
association
and
111
city
lofts,
which
is
the
building
that
stands
directly
across
the
alley
from
the
from
the
built
from
the
property.
That's
under
consideration
here
when
this
and
I
first
of
all
I
want
to
thank
of
suan
and
and
sergeant
drew
for
the
work
that
they've
done
on
this.
They
were
very
accommodating
to
come
back
and
take
the
sound
study.
N
H
N
N
N
Nobody
in
that
building
wants
to
see
that
see
the
des
moines
social
club
property
go
unused.
We
all
want
a
good
use
for
that
building,
but
this
is
not
the
appropriate
use
and
even
todd
admitted
that
he
can't
comply
with
the
compromise
use
that
city
staff
has
suggested
at
85
decibels.
He
stood
here
and
told
you
he
can't
comply
with
that,
but
nonetheless,
we're
expected-
you
know
to
you,
know,
to
suffer
the
consequences
of
that
non-compliance.
N
N
N
So
I'll
go
back.
You
can
talk
about
the
scientific
measurements
that
are
done
over
the
course
of
a
minute,
and-
and
as
I
say,
I
don't
challenge
any
of
the
readings
that
officer
strip
took.
I
was
standing
right
next
to
him
for
most
of
those
readings
the
but
listening
to
that
for
two
to
three
hours
is
frankly
an
outrage:
that's
not
what
that's
not
what
people
expected
when
they
bought
their
units.
It's
not
what
they
expected.
J
Well,
I
guess
I
have
a
question
because
I
don't
consider
all
amplified
music
the
same.
I
know
some
of
the
sound
folks
will
say:
well,
we
treat
it
all
the
same,
but
the
events
I
think,
are
potentially
very
different.
So
would
you
would
you
feel
the
same
way
about
live?
Music
versus
you
know,
amplified
background
music
for
a
retirement
party?
N
J
J
So
if
I
disagree
disagree
with
the
conclusion
that
this
space
should
allow
no
amplified.
You
know
that
I
think
it's
appropriate
for
some
amplified
music
you're
saying
it's
all
the
same.
So
so,
there's
no
distinction
that
and
nothing
that,
from
a
homeowner's
perspective,
we
can
work
with
you
on
and
work
with.
The
the
developer
to
you
know
because
my
take
is:
I
have
concerns
about
live
performance
in
this
space.
N
N
N
I
O
I
G
Your
position
would
be
that
you
would
your
homeowners
association
could
possibly
compromise
it
at
one
event
a
month
that
if
they
were
able
to
to
rent
it
out
on
a
saturday
night
for
a
wedding
that
that
would
be
outside
on
the
rooftop
or
you're.
Just
absolutely,
we
don't
want
any
events
down
here.
This
isn't
the
appropriate
use.
Unfortunately,
it's
been
built
that
way
and
there's
not
many
other
uses.
Q
G
N
Way
it's
the
way
it's
been
marketed.
There
was
a
slide
shown
that
it
said
if
I
remember
it
correctly:
85
decibels
limit
65
on
the
rooftop
no
more
than
one
event
a
month
with
amplified
music
outside.
I
think
the
owners
in
that
building
can
live
with
that
90,
no
95,
no
100.
No,
that's
how
you
know.
That's
that's,
but.
H
I
Fear
is,
this
is
going
to
stay
empty
because
it's
a
it's
an
event
venue.
It's
a
community
venue,
it's
like
you
know
made
for
these
types
of
you
know
it
had.
Art
shows
and
it
had
concerts,
which
might
not
be
what
we
want
to
move
forward
with,
but
it
had
yeah
like
festival
type
of
things
like
communities
coming
together,
poetry,
slams,
like
any
of
those
things,
are
going
to
be
over
85
decibels.
N
I
don't
have
a
proposal
of
how
the
space
is
used.
I
think
that's
whatever
a
buyer
thinks
is
appropriate.
What
I'm
saying
is
that
this
use
is
not
appropriate.
Okay,
you
know
that
that
building
renovation
taking
it
from
commercial
to
residential
started
in
the
first
units
were
sold
in
2007
six
years
before
the
des
moines
social
club
came
on
that
site
next
door.
N
A
A
H
N
I
A
H
J
I
mean
I'm
I'm
trying
to
to
figure
this
out.
I
I
do
think
so.
My
my
take
is
well.
I
don't
think
this
is
a
an
appropriate
venue
for
live
performance
and-
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
very
careful
about
the
type
of
events
I
do
think
the
building
is
appropriate
for
event,
space
and
figuring
out
how
we
get
that
balance.
J
F
L
I
think
we
need
to
have.
I
would
suggest
we
need
more
discussion
to
josh's
point.
I
I
believe
that
there
is
an
avenue
that
we
to
think
that
you're
not
going
to
have
any
events,
and
especially
when
you
have
that
theater
there's
or
I'm
thinking
of
all
the
wedding
receptions
that
people
want
to
have.
How
do
you
do
that
successfully
and
still
keep
at
the
level?
That's
not
annoying
to
neighbors,
but
still
have
opportunity
for
revenue
for
to
make
it
a
live
space
again.
L
A
H
K
B
E
J
L
B
I
J
H
H
H
J
J
I
didn't
really
get
any
of
this
information
until
until
this
weekend,
so
it
makes
it
very
hard
to
make
a
decision
and
to
weigh
things
when,
when
it's
all
being
presented,
so
it
might
have
been
helpful
to
at
least
bring
us
along
a
little
bit
in
advance.
I
mean
I
I
was
hearing
from
the
neighbors
before
before
I
knew
what
the
issue
was.
So
it's
challenging
to
to
make
a
balanced
and
informed
decision.