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From YouTube: 8-22-22 City Council work session
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Des Moines City Council morning work session on Monday, August 22, 2022.
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B
B
We
recognized
that
we
needed
to
look
hard
at
the
zoning
requirements
in
the
east
village
in
the
area
that
we
now
know.
As
the
market
district,
we
were
getting
some
development
pressure
and
in
our
zoning
code
we
had
basically
kept
the
heights
the
same
as
what
we
had
had
previous
in
our
in
our
capital
dominance
overlay,
and
we
knew
that
over
time
we
were
getting
development
pressure
in
this
area,
and
so
we
wanted
to
first
maintain
the
view
to
the
views
of
the
capital
throughout
this
area.
B
That
was
an
important
cultural
aspect
of
our
of
our
downtown,
but
we
knew
that
there
were
areas
where
perhaps
we
could
have
taller
heights,
so
we
were
looking
for
a
way
to
create
a
digital
model
such
that
we
could
model
the
higher
heights
in
certain
areas
we
went
out
to
the
private
sector
had
some
good
conversations
with
people
who
probably
could
have
accomplished
this.
For
us,
it
would
have
been
an
expensive
endeavor
in
our
in
our
work
with
our
own
I.t
department.
The
topic
came
up
and
they
said
well.
B
We
believe
that
gis
is
headed
towards
three-dimensional
capabilities.
It
has
that
capabilities
now,
but
the
platform
is
not
really
used
in
that
way,
and
we
believe
that
that's
the
way
it's
headed.
This
would
give
us
a
good
way
to
build
our
capacity
in-house
such
that,
as
that
three-dimensional
world
comes
forward,
we're
able
to
work
with
it,
and
so
we
thought
it
was
great.
B
B
They
did
all
the
work
we
we
basically
worked
with
them
in
order
that
we
had
the
capability
to
test
the
views,
as
we
brought
forward
zoning
proposals
to
the
plan
and
zoning
commission
and
ultimately
to
city
council,
but
they
were
the
ones
working
on
the
on
the
details
of
it
and
the
technology
of
it
and
building
that
ability
in-house
and
they
probably
won't
toot
their
own
horns.
So
I
I
will
do
that
on
their
behalf.
B
They,
for
this
work
were
recognized
recently
earlier
this
summer
with
an
international
esri
award,
which
is
the
which
is
the
company
that
or
the
the
entity
that
hosts
the
gis
geographic
information
systems
for
for
everybody,
for
across
the
countries
and
across
the
world
really
so
a
lot
of
cities.
Most
cities
have
gis
capabilities,
but
we
really
have
outstanding
staff
who
are
able
to
manipulate
this
information,
make
it
useful
in
a
lot
of
ways.
I
know
the
next
presentation
you
have
relies
on
their
expertise
as
well.
B
We
really
all
do
in
a
lot
of
in
a
lot
of
the
work
we
do
so
it
was.
It
was
this
in
particular,
this
digital
model
was
recognized
for
its
its
progressiveness
and
the
way
that
it
really
leads
the
industry
into
this
three-dimensional
capability.
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
aaron
greiner
and
he
and
eric
broner,
who
can
talk
more
specifically
about
how
the
model
came
together
and
what
it
does.
C
Morning,
thank
you.
I'm
aaron,
greiner,
I'm
in
gis,
in
the
it
department
with
me
as
eric
broner,
is
the
brains
behind
the
whole
thing.
Thank
you
for
inviting
us
this
morning.
As
aaron
said,
it
was
a
group
effort.
Her
team
bought
into
our
idea
that
we
could
do
this.
We
had
never
done
anything
like
it
before
and
without
her
kind
of
trust
and
belief
in
that
which
wouldn't
have
happened
even
with
the
skill
sets.
We
had
in-house
I.t
and
gis.
C
So
what
we
did
for
the
the
project
is
we
hired
a
company
to
fly?
What's
called
lidar
and
I
don't
know
if
you
all
have
heard
with
lidar
are
familiar
with
it,
but
they
take
an
airplane
and
they
fly
over
the
city
and
they
shoot
down
lasers,
not
lasers.
That
can
hurt
your
eyes.
You
can't
see
them
so
no
worries
there.
It
was
a
question
and
what
it
does
is
each
time
it
hits
an
object
on
the
earth.
C
It
returns
a
point,
so
it
bounces
off
and
reflects
back
and
when
it
does
that
it
says
hey.
This
is
the
surface.
It's
at
this
location
in
this
elevation
and
then
it's
actually
what
type
of
thing
it's
getting
to
hey.
This
is
wood.
This
is
metal.
This
is
concrete.
This
is
water
and
from
that
we
take
all
these
points
and
and
the
software
and
eric's
expertise
here
and
we
built
the
surface
of
the
earth.
So
we
could
see
the
water
and
kind
of
the
lay
of
the
land
for
downtown.
C
C
It's
it's
it's
as
aaron
said
it's
the
future
of
gis,
the
3d
modeling.
We
started
this
about
three
years
ago
and
then
it
was
starting
to
come
into
its
own.
Now,
it's
everywhere
and
as
eric
and
I
wrote
the
esri
conference
this
summer
to
receive
the
award
and
it's
just
everybody's,
using
it
everywhere,
so
their
trust
in
us
to
build.
This
has
now
created
a
data
set
that
we
have
in-house,
which
is
extremely
valuable
for
other
projects
in
the
future.
C
Not
just
the
modeling,
the
digital
twin,
but
parks
is
already
looking
at
it
for
looking
at
shadow
impacts
on
their
parks
or
where
they
might
plant
a
public
garden.
For
instance,
there's
inventory
work
that
can
be
done
for
utilities.
Signs
different
things
like
that,
so
the
future
is
huge
and
this
gets
us
kind
of
the
building
blocks.
D
All
right,
so
this
is
the
initial
application
of
the
model
that
we
extracted
from
lidar.
So,
as
you
can
see,
there's
first
buildings
I'll
remove
those
for
now.
So
I
can
show
you
the
point
cloud
if
you've
never
seen
one.
This
is
what
it
looks
like
to
show
the
elevation
differences
in
the
points.
So
you
can
see
the
lower
elevations
are
the
cooler
colors
blues
and
then,
as
it
rises,
so
you
can
see
the
tops
of
the
buildings
or
high
trees
are
red.
If
we
zoom
in.
D
You
can
see
these
are
all
actual
individual
points
that
define
sometimes
the
side
depending
on
how
the
radar
was
oriented
as
the
plane
passed
through,
but
mostly
it's
for
the
rooftop
and
surface
areas,
and
so
you
can
see
it
collects
in
very
high
detail
all
the
elements
of
the
roof
structure
and
some
of
the
surrounding
building
on
the
side.
Then
you
can
even
get
trees
and
light
poles
as
well.
So
you
can
see
the
top
of
that
light
over
the
street
light
and
you
can
see
the
individual
tree
in
the
surrounding
area.
D
So
from
this,
like
aaron
was
saying
you
can
drive
not
only
the
surface
situation.
We
can
also
derive
what's
above
the
surface,
so
it's
a
digital
surface
model
captures
everything
the
ground
and
the
above
structures.
So
you
can
take
all
the
heights
out
of
that.
So
you
could
define
all
your
tree
heights
your
tree
widths
and
everything.
So
it's
important,
you
know
other
departments
as
well.
D
D
D
We
can
go
back
to
the
original
purpose
of
building.
This
initial
application
was
for
the
capital
view
shed
into
principal
park,
see
principal
park
here,
and
we
even
have
the
new
batter's
eye
box
out
there.
If
you
see
the
tan
structure,
so
that'll
be
important
going
forward,
you
can
see.
If
you
go
down
to
say
the
concourse
level,
you
can
see
the
view
of
the
capital.
D
D
B
Yes,
we
will,
in
fact,
we
built
it
into
our
development
agreement
with
them
that
their
future
developers
need
to
submit
their
future
models
of
their
buildings
so
that
we
can
just
drop
it
into
this
and
eric,
if
you
wanted
to
move,
say
to
well
there's
the
building,
that's
under
construction
in
the
east
village,
the
new
one.
So
we
have
been
working
with
our
with
our
staff
as
we
get
as
we're
reviewing
proposals
to
put
in
the
new
to
put
in
new
projects
as
they
are
coming
out
of
the
ground.
B
B
We
can
do
that.
We
can
do
that
and
we
can
include
them
in
the
information
that
you
receive.
We
certainly
will
be
using
them
with
our
urban
design,
review,
board
and
plan
and
zoning
commission,
and
we
can
include
it
for
for
you
all
as
well,
and
if
you
ever
have
questions
about
the
way
that
something
fits
into
its
context,
we
can
we
can
utilize
it
there.
Thank
you.
E
D
Good
example,
so
here's
if
we
get
the
submission
from
the
developers,
it
makes
our
lives
a
lot
easier
because
then
we
don't
have
to
spend
the
staff
time
modeling
it
as
well.
So
if
it's
part
of
submission,
we
can
just
take
their
existing
one
as
long
as
it's
scaled
correctly.
We
can
just
drop
it
right
in
and
you
can
see
instantly
the
impact
that
it
would
have
for
that
and
then,
as
aaron
was
saying,
parks
is
already
using
it
for
some
of
the
shadow
analysis.
D
E
D
Can
zoom
out
and
see
some
mo?
You
know
most
of
the
downtown
and
kind
of
some
of
the
surrounding
downtown
area
is
mostly
completed
at
this
point.
A
lot
of
the
bridges
and
stuff
like
that,
but
it's
still
currently
under
development.
So
as
we
spread
out,
there's
still
a
lot
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done
on
model
as
well,
but
you
can
see
here's
the
overlook
from
mcrae
park
and
all
that,
so
you
can
see
how
that
looks,
going
across
bridges.
G
D
I
haven't
talked
about
it
yet:
okay,
so
yeah.
This
is
this,
is
our
initial
in
you
know:
interior
application
for
economic
development
and
some
development
to
be
able
to
do
it.
We
also
have
des
moines
maps
3d.
So
if
you're
familiar
with
des
moines
maps,
there's
a
3d
version
available,
there's
a
link
at
the
top
of
the
mind
maps.
Currently
that'll
get
you
to
it,
and
then
we
also
do
have
a
public
one
that
we
have
used
to
show.
C
D
Yes,
and
so
the
state
has
recently
flown
lidar
for
the
whole
state
and
some
of
most
that's
available.
Now,
it's
not
quite
as
high
a
quality
lidar
that
we
flow
for
downtown,
but
that's
more
needed
downtown.
So
we
have
the
high
level
that
we
needed
there,
and
so
the
rest
of
the
city
can
be
done
with
the
state
data.
H
We
can
continue
doing
that.
We
can
also
go
back
and
add
more
high
detail
after
the
fact
for
a
small
area
like
a
corridor
that
maybe
has
some
development
going
in
and
and
add
to
it.
That's
what's
beauty
of
this.
Is
it's
very
additive
in
a
sense
of
the
detail
of
the
the
heights
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
also
the
different
applications,
so
we're
talking
with
the
departments
right
now
about
all
the
different
applications
that
could
be
utilized.
H
G
E
G
D
C
D
D
H
You
so
another
application
you
you
heard
was
for
the
private
side.
We
can
share
this
data
with
potential
projects
such
that
they
get
a
feel
not
only
the
shadowing,
but
what
a
balcony
balcony
view
might
look
like
in
downtown
as
well
with
the
elevations
and
whatnot.
So
there's
there's
quite
a
bit
of
value
to
the
private
side
of
this
as
they're
thinking
through
their
projects.
D
A
J
Public
nuisance
properties,
just
diminish
the
value
of
nearby
properties?
Destabilizes
neighborhoods,
proposes
a
health
risk
to
residents
both
mentally
and
physically,
and
it
damages
our
fiscal
stability
as
a
local
government,
and
I
put
up
there
just
what's
in
our
code
about
the
health
and
safety
and
welfare
of
our
community.
J
It
creates
attractive
nuisances
for
people
to
break
into
houses.
It
brings
crimes
through
the
vacant
structure.
Criminal
activity
tends
to
happen
in
and
around
vacant
structures
which
deep
stabilizes
the
neighborhood
creates
mental
and
health
issues
for
residents
that
have
to
walk
by
it
interact
with
it.
J
So
our
public
nuisance
process
is
found
in
chapter
60
of
the
code
and
it
sets
out
the
process
for
how
we
handle
public
nuisances.
We
have
what
we
call
a
standard
public
nuisance.
That's
the
most
frequent
action
that
we
take.
We
do
have
the
right
to
do
an
administrative
removal
when
the
damage
is
beyond
repair.
It
is
done
with
no
court
action,
but
council
approval.
J
J
It's
it's
a
team,
it's
the
supervisors
and
myself
and
the
inspector
gets
to
weigh
in
then.
We
also
have
the
emergency
action
where
we
can
go
with
no
court
action
at
all.
We
sometimes
do
this.
If
a
structure
is
damaged
and
there's
a
wall
standing,
for
instance,
we'll
have
public
works,
knock
it
in.
So
it's
not
a
nuisance.
We
had
a
fire
on
capital
last
year,
that
was
a
total
total
loss
down
to
the
ground
and
we
needed
to
get
in
there
right
away
and
get
it
cleaned
up.
K
So,
do
you
wait,
I'm
specifically
thinking
of
the
one
property
between
it's
on
southwest?
Ninth
and
it's
it's
been
burned.
It's
right
next
to
get
go
across
the
street
from
lincoln
high
school.
Do
we
wait
to
see
if
the
insurance
is
going
to
fix
that,
or
I
mean
what
do
we
do?
I
mean
it's
boarded
up,
it's
burnt,
I
mean
it's,
it's
terribly
blighted
and
I
just
wondered
what
what
type
of
either
administrative
or
emergency
can
we
can
we
take
action
on
certain
properties
like
that.
J
J
K
J
Things
to
remember,
as
we
get
into
this
discussion,
staff
does
attempt
to
assist
displaced
persons
finding
safe
and
secure
housing.
We
recently
had
one
where
a
gentleman
was
living
in
a
house
that
he
shouldn't
be
in
and
we,
through
staff
and
through
ion,
were
able
to
discuss
with
him
options
and
we
did
successfully
get
him
relocated
so
that
he
is
safe.
While
we
go
through
the
public
nuisance
process,
we
have
always
attempted
to
do
that
through
the
years
that
I've
been
here.
J
We
we
get
with
elder
services,
we
get
with
veterans
affairs
we
get
with,
whoever
could
possibly
be
an
asset
to
this
person
to
find
safe
and
secure
housing
with
ion.
We
have
another
tool
in
our
tool:
bed
get
belt
to
try
and
get
some
help
to
people
directly
before
we
have
to
go
through
the
nuisance
action.
G
J
G
J
I
am
not
aware
of
any
individual
instances.
I
do
know
that
we
send
people
to
primary
health
care
and
that's
another
question
and
issue
that
I
would
like
to
discuss
at
a
different
vent
at
a
different
time
is
what
primary
health
care
can
do
to
help
us
better,
secure
housing
for
people
in
this
position.
G
J
J
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
that
before
the
local
option
sales
tax
became
available
to
us
so
that
we
could
remove
structures,
we
had
some
structures
on
the
backlog
for
up
to
10
years
before
we
could
take
them
down
so
as
as
uncomfortable
as
this
process
and
how
long
it
takes.
We
are
in
a
much
better
place
than
we
were
in
the
past,
where
we
had
to
wait
years
to
find
funding
to
take
the
structures
down.
J
J
J
J
K
When
we
go
back
to
that
slide,
just
a
quick
question
about
not
being
able
to
take
title
of
the
property,
so
if
we
have
we
take
down
the
home
who
who
still
owns
the
property,
was
it
who
owned
the
the
house
before?
So
we
can't
so
that's.
We
continue
to
have
these
vacant
where
we,
where
we
have
a
potential
for
infill,
but
we
can't
get
those
to
builders
to
build.
Is
that
correct.
E
J
Vacant
lots
are
not
much
better
a
than
a
vacant
structure
somewhat
better,
because
you
don't
have
people
going
and
getting
hurt
and
you
know
doing
some
things
in
structures
they
shouldn't,
but
vacant
lots
don't
really
help
the
health
of
a
neighborhood
either.
So,
yes
to
your
point,
we
are
working
on
a
process
so
that
we
can
more
easily
move
those
to
private.
K
J
It
comes
to
you
as
an
agreement
that
you'll
agree
to
waive
it
for
a
non-profit
to
do
the
infill
we
haven't
had
those
for
I
mean
you
know
you
have
to
realize
that
all
of
our
extra
sort
of
stuff
that
city
staff
does
has
sort
of
been
put
on
the
back
burner
due
to
covid
and
trying
to
get
staffed
back
up,
but
we
are
in
active
conversations
with
habitat.
For
instance,
you.
K
J
K
You
know
potential
27
brand
new
homes
with
new
services
that
we're
going
to
have
to
provide
providing
him
with
27
lots
for
free.
I,
I
think,
would
save
the
4
million
dollars
of
infrastructure
that
he
has
to
put
in
to
build
a
new
street
and
and
to
build
these
homes
in
a
potential
area
to
where
we
could
have
market.
E
K
I
I
think,
there's
a
potential
to
do
that
and
to
clean
up
a
lot
of
the
vacant.
Lots
absolutely.
You
know,
because
I
mean
we're
depending
on
the
weed
commissioner
to
to
to
mow
them.
I
mean
it
just
continues
to
to
add
more
cost
where,
if
we
can
waive
the
demolition
costs,
get
it
in
it
into
someone's
hands
and
let
them
build
a
new
home.
That
would
I
mean,
and.
J
Yeah,
absolutely
we
should
be
doing
it
right
and
I'm
well
aware
of
it,
okay
and
and
it,
and
it
is
something
that
we're
working
on.
I
mean
it's
sort
of
a
priority.
I
have
the
ideas
I
have,
how
I
think
we
can
do
it
we
just
have
to
have.
We
just
have
to
put
it
together
in
a
package
and
bring
it
to
you
as
a
program
so
that
you
can
listen
to
this
discussion.
E
K
L
J
It's
a
year
and
a
half
before
it
goes
through
the
whole
cycle,
where
they
can
do
a
notice
to
redeem
and
then
take
the
tax
deed.
We
can
do
it
fast.
I
mean
we
have
a
tax
deed
program.
We
can
do
it
faster
because
the
county
will,
let
us
jump
ahead
and
we've
we've
done
some
of
that
and
we're
continuing
to
look
on
expanding
that
program
where
we
can
jump
ahead.
L
L
J
J
J
J
J
Yes,
we
can
strategize
the
ones
that
we
want
to
take
and
we're
going
to
get
better
at
that
now
that
we
have
staff
working
directly
on
that
particular
process,
so
we
can
be
more
agile
and
and
more
up
front,
but
we
just
this
person
has
just
started,
so
we
have
to
give
her
a
little
time
to
kind
of
you
know
catch
up
with
what
we
already
took
on
tax
deeds
that
we
need
to
disperse
and
then
look
for.
You
know
sort
of
systematically
at
what
we
want.
So
again.
J
J
We
are
not
able
to
in
the
public
nuisance
process
the
way
that
we
currently
operate
it.
If
we
want
to
take
title
to
a
property.
There
is
another
iowa
code
section
that
we
could
serve
notice
and
and
have
the
judge,
give
us
the
property.
But
we
have
to
be
careful
that
we
don't
take
properties
we
can't
manage,
so
it
doesn't.
J
Do
us
any
good
to
go
out
and
take
10
15
properties
on
speculation
that
at
some
point
we
can
do
something
with
it
if
we're
not
going
to
maintain
and
care
for
them
and
that's
a
whole
other
budget
item
for
the
council
to
consider.
Do
we
want
a
land
bank?
We
are
not
set
up
to
land
bank
right
now.
That
is
another
discussion
that,
if
you
want
to
have,
we
can
bring
forward
how
we
would
land
bank
properties
for
future
development.
But
that's
outside
of
this
scope,
partner.
F
L
L
J
That
can
do
it
and
maintain
and
manage
it.
We
could
not
do
that
internally
with
our
staff.
Right
now
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
be
a
budgeting
issue,
it's
a
budget
issue
yeah
for
both
the
acquisition
and
then
the
management
and
holding
of
that
that's
a
whole,
that's
sort
of
outside
of
this
process.
But
it
is
something
worth
discussing
and
other
communities
successfully
do
land
banking,
but
they
generally
set
up
a
non-profit
and
the
non-profit
holds
it
for
future
development.
J
And
go
to
the
court
and
say
not
only
do
we
want
the
structure,
we
want
the
property,
it's
like
a
foreclosure,
it's
not
really
a
foreclosure,
because
that's
not
what
you'd
call
it
so
carol,
you're,
not
calling
it
a
foreclosure,
but
it
is
us
saying
court
we
want.
We
want
this
piece
of
property
and
we
want
control
of
the
land
and
the
structure,
but
it's
taking
control
of
the
land.
Then
you're
going
to
have
to
have
somebody
to
manage
that
land
mow
it
snow,
weeds.
You
know,
make
sure
the
structure
doesn't
become
a
nuisance.
F
J
So
back
to
moving
on
what
conditions
constitute
a
public
nuisance
a
lot
of
times,
it's
overall
deteriorations,
the
roofs
failing
the
foundation,
structural
issues,
interior
ceilings
and
walls,
windows
and
doors
electrical
plumbing
mechanical
systems
are
compromised,
is
a
big
one
and,
of
course,
fire
water
damage
can
create
a
nuisance.
I.
G
J
This
next
slide
will
probably
help
answer
that
question,
so
you
get
into
stat,
sagging
roofs
and
roof
leaks,
and
you
get
into
foundation
failures.
Now,
if
you
have
a
sagging
roof
and
roof
leaks,
probably
what's
happening
is
the
water
is
getting
into
the
walls
and
that
compromises
your
electrical
and
plumbing
systems,
which
is
a
fire
hazard
foundation?
Failure
you
have
to
to
determine
whether
the
foundation
can
hold
the
load
of
the
structure
or
whether
there's
going
to
be
a
catastrophic
failure
to
the
foundation.
J
Foundations
will
cause
walls
and
ceiling
cracks
uneven
floors.
You
can
have
a
damp
subfloor
timber,
rot,
insect
damage,
crumbling
concrete
ceilings,
exposed
gaps
in
walls
and
floors,
ill-fitting
doors
and
windows,
danger
of
collapse
a
lot
of
times.
When
you
see
a
structure
like
depicted
in
the
picture,
it's
an
overall
failure
of
the
structure
to
be
habitable
due
to
the
continued
damage
to
the
structure
taken
as
a
whole.
Sometimes
that
in
itself
is
enough
to
say
it's
a
nuisance
and
and
I'm
not
saying
that
all
new
systems
can't
be
saved.
J
G
J
J
J
So
roof
structure
failing
it
can
have
missing
or
damaged
shingles
damaged,
underlayment
holes
in
the
roof
damage
to
soffits
or
fascia
again
allowing
water
into
the
structure.
It
is
the
main
damage
to
the
structure
due
to
a
failing
roof
foundation,
failing
again
cracks
and
deterioration
missing
sections,
it's
not
structurally
sound
to
hold
the
load
and
it's
allowing
water
and
vermin
into
the
structure.
J
Balls
and
ceiling
damage
again
holes
water
damage.
There
can
be
fire
damage,
or
it's
just
structurally
unsound
in
and
of
itself
when
the
walls
are
starting
to
fail,
damaged
or
missing
electrical
service
missing
wires.
Faulty
wiring
damaged,
wiring,
missing
switch
plates
outlet
covers
again.
These
are
fire
hazards
that
can
create
a
a
fire
within
the
structure
and
we
want
to
stop
it
from
starting
a
fire
damaged
or
missing
furnace
system.
Again,
water
and
smoke
damage
missing
furnace
missing
or
damaged
ducting
unit,
not
working.
Maybe
it's
not
vented
correctly.
J
And
then
fire
and
flood
damage,
of
course,
is
a
big
one.
So,
let's
get
a
little
bit
into
process
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
this
is
the
process.
I'm
explaining
is
very,
very
simplified
when
I
did
a
flow
chart
of
the
public
nuisance
process
from
start
to
finish,
with
all
the
different
directions,
it
could
go
all
the
things
that
we'd
have
to
loop
or
change
or
come
back
to.
J
J
We
prepare
a
notice
of
violation,
we
locate
the
property
owners
and
any
legal
interest
holders,
so
that
would
include
the
owner
contract,
buyer
mortgage
holder,
anybody
who's,
put
a
mechanic's
lien
or
something
against
the
property,
and
then
we
notice
that
we
serve
the
notice
on
the
people.
Personally,
that
means
that
we
hire
somebody
to
hand
them
the
notice
of
violation,
whether
it's
in
state
or
out
of
state
everybody
gets
handed
the
notice
of
violation.
J
The
violation
notice
gives
them
30
days
to
comply,
and
then,
if
nobody
does
anything
during
that
30
days,
then
a
roll
call
is
going
to
counsel.
Sometimes
in
that
period
of
time,
owners
will
be
out
there
actively
working
on
the
property
and
we'll
pull
it
before.
It
even
goes
to
council
and
enter
a
renovation
agreement,
so
you're
not
seeing
the
ones
that
we've
pulled,
where
somebody's
actually
contacted
us
and
we're
working
on
a
renovation
agreement.
There's
no
reason
to
sue
somebody
if
they're
going
to
work
on
it.
J
Well,
there's
two
things
going
on
there:
one
people
sometimes
will
say
that
they're
storing
things
outside
for
renovation,
if
wood
and
materials
are
left
out
for
a
number
of
years
outside
in
the
weather
unprotected,
they
are
no
longer
going
to
be
good
products
to
be
put
into
a
structure,
so
they
will
get
notice
regard.
We
don't
know
what
they're
doing
with
that
material.
We
have
no
idea
so
we'll
give
them
a
notice,
a
violation
that
they
need
to
clean
up
their
their
material
that
are
illegally
stored
outside.
They
have
a
right
to
an
appeal.
J
They
have
a
right
to
move
it
into
a
structure.
They
have
a
right
to
take
care
of
it
in
a
in
a
good
fashion
that
that
maintain
it.
If
they
don't,
then
we're
going
to
go
clean
it
up,
but
they
get
noticed
they
get
it
right
to
a
hearing,
an
appeal
hearing,
and
if
they
don't
do
anything,
then
we
go
clean.
It
up
is.
J
J
The
outcome
can
be
a
consent,
decree
court
order
after
trial
or
renovation
agreement,
so
a
consent
decree
city
enters
an
agreement
with
the
owner
where
we
everybody
agrees,
they're
going
to
do
this
this
and
this
generally,
it's
we're
going
to
repair
it
within
three
to
six
months,
whatever
they
think.
The
time
they
need
is,
the
judge
will
sign
a
court
order.
J
I
have
proof
of
financial
ability,
we
confirm,
there's
financial
finance
is
available
and
we
enter
a
timeline
to
complete
the
process
and
we
enter
into
the
agreement
with
the
parties
and,
if
necessary,
to
secure
financing
we'll
agree
to
dismiss
a
legal
action.
So
a
couple
we're
working
on
now
with
nfc
in
particular:
we've
done
it
with
other
lending
institutions.
J
Nfc
says
we're
going
to
lend
them
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
we
say
yeah
that'll
do
it,
but
nfc
doesn't
want
a
loan
on
a
property
with
a
court
action
pending.
So
we
will
enter
an
agreement
with
the
owner.
Nfc
dismiss
the
action
nfc
in
most
cases.
Will
agree
and
the
other
banks
that
we've
worked
in,
that
they
will
take
title
and
and
do
their
renovations,
should
the
party
not
be
able
to
complete
it
for
some
reason,
so
those
have
been
real,
successful,
we're
willing
to
do
them.
J
I
I
hope
that
word
gets
out
to
the
community,
because
there
seems
to
be
a
feeling
in
the
community
that
once
the
placard
goes
up,
the
city
is
going
to
take
it
down,
there's
nothing.
We
can
do
about
it.
Well,
that's
not
true
we're
very
becoming
very
successful
in
entering
renovation
agreements
and
it's
working
for
us
and
we're
getting
those
houses
repaired.
F
J
What
will
happen
is
somebody
else
will
buy
it
that
and
they'll
step
into
the
place
of
the
owners,
and
then
we
have
then
we
have
rehabbers
out
there
that
are
starting
to
flip
these,
and
so
that's
working
well
for
us
also.
I
wish
the
blitz
on
blight
map
we
had
also
had
in
their
renovations
completed,
but
at
the
time
we
did
it.
J
E
F
I
J
If
you
can
catch
it
before,
when
the
bones
are
still
good
and
there's
still
enough
value
in
the
in
the
structure
itself,
you
can
move
those
two
to
renovations,
one
to
your
point
that
are
so
dilapidated
or
sat
too
long
and
the
interior
damage
through
the
water,
and
you
know
the
mold
and
the
vermin,
and
you
know
all
that
has
gotten
so
great
that
the
money
just
won't
work.
You
know
so
yeah,
I
think
catching
them
early
has
helped
us
save
some
more.
G
E
J
So
after
the
decree
we
go
out
and
we
inspect
for
compliance,
if
the
property
is
not
complied,
we
have
to
complete
a
historic
review
and
then
we
send
directly
quest
to
engineering
to
bid
the
demo.
They
have
to
do
asbestos
abatement
when
they
can
so
they'll
go
in.
They
hire
a
company
to
go
in
and
take
the
asbestos
out
now.
J
J
We
don't
take
title,
but
if,
after
the
decree
there's
progress
toward
compliance,
we'll
grant
extensions
of
time
we'll
talk
to
the
owners,
we'll
we'll
give
them
whatever
we
can
to
try
and
get
that
that
renovation
completed,
especially
now
with
the
supply
chain
issues,
people
are
going
through
we're
really
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
they
can't
get
the
windows.
They
can't
get
this.
You
know
we
need
to
to
work
with
them
on
the
extensions.
G
Jordan,
I'm
saying
that
we,
if
there's
probably
we're
looking
for
progress
towards
compliance,
but
if
somebody,
if
this
is
their
home
and
they
are
displaced
by
this
process
and
they're,
then
homeless,
it
would
make
it
much
harder
for
them
to
get
progress
towards
compliance.
So
I
wonder
if
we
should
just
be
considering
like
funding
towards
rehousing
during
this
process,
so
that
we
can
get
more
progress
towards
compliance
like
how
often
we
like
we
don't
have.
J
J
I
think
to
your
point
as
ion
gets
its
feet
under
it
and
is
more
agile
and
gets
gets
going.
They
have
worked
on
some
properties
in
conjunction
with
habitat
and
rebuild
where
we
do
the
outside,
they
do
the
inside
and
then
the
person
can
stay
there.
It
just
depends
on
the
level
of
deterioration,
whether
we
feel
like
they
can
safely
be
there
or
not.
H
G
G
J
G
J
J
J
So
it's
about
six
months
to
two
years
from
the
filing
in
court
to
a
decree.
If
we
get
a
default
decree,
it
can
happen
within
six
months
if
for
a
year,
if
nobody
answers
in
court
and
says
they
want
to
have
a
trial,
we
should
note
that
trials
are
now
being
set
into
the
spring
of
2023,
so
somebody
does
file
an
answer:
we're
getting
trials
in
2023.
J
This
is
nothing
that
staff,
legal
or
otherwise
can
do
anything
about
this
is
the
court
calendar
most
of
their
most
of
their
docket
is?
Is
for
criminal
cases,
the
next
biggest
chunk
is
domestic
cases,
and
then
we
get
you
know
what
little
bit
left
on
the
docket
for
civil
cases.
You
know.
Obviously
we
want
to
have
the
the
criminal
cases
you
know
handled
because
they
have
you
know
due
process
and
right
to
speedy
trial.
So
we
get
them
on
the
docket
as
fast
as
we
can.
J
If
we
can
get
a
consent
decree
while
it's
pending
for
trial,
we
try
to
get
a
consent
decree
but
we're
at
the
mercy
of
the
courts.
Docket
it's
right
now,
it's
about
three
months
for
demolition
to
occur
after
it's
sent
to
engineering
for
bidding
they
they
say
once
they
get
through
kind
of
where
they're
at
right.
Now
it's
probably
going
to
be
a
60-day
turnaround.
J
J
So
the
demo
contractors
know
exactly
what
they
need
to
do
so
right
now
there
are
20
properties
on
the
engineering
list
scheduled
to
be
taken
down
and
if
anybody's
interested
in
the
list
and
the
timelines,
I
can
certainly
send
that
to
them.
Okay,
okay
I'll
just
send
it
to
all
of
you.
So
you
have
the
same
information
on
the
properties
right
now
on
the
blitz
on
blight
map
which
we're
updating
to
bring
current
and
at
some
point
we
want
to
have
it
interactive.
J
So
just
you
know
what
we,
when
you
hit
a
benchmark,
it
populates
it.
We
have
26
pending
138
approved
for
legal
30
degrees,
34
in
rehab
and
94
have
been
taken
down
under
blitz
on
blight
delays
and
implementation
of.
What's
on
black
I'll
tell
you,
you
know
it
was
kind
of
a
rough
start.
We
had
coveted,
we
had
people
retiring
and
then
people
moving
around
staffing,
and
then
we
had
intergov
for
staffing
right
now.
We
do.
We
are
for
blitz
on
blight
inspectors.
J
They
are
established,
they're
trained
up
and
they're
out
there
working
for
they
each
have
a
for
a
fourth
of
the
city.
So
we're
not
going
to
let
them
move
around
within
the
organization
they're
going
to
stay
on
blitz
and
blight
until
we
are
done
with
blitz
on
blight
and
then
they
can
move
into
a
territory.
J
So
our
mapping
survey
will
help
us
identify
garages
and
some
other
things
that
are,
we
aren't
getting
complaints
on,
but
we
can
now
proactively
go
out
after
the
survey
and
suen.
Is
this
completely
complaint
based?
It
has
been
to
date,
complaint
and
fire.
We
get
fire
reports,
so
we
go
out
and
look
at
all
the
fires.
J
We
have
started
to
move
into
a
proactive
approach.
They're
asked
to
look
when
they're
out
there
proactively
now
and
try
and
identify
them
themselves
and
then,
when
the
survey
results
come
back
and
we
have
things
that
are
ranked
pretty
low,
we'll
be
able
to
go
and
take
a
look
at
those
again
now
that
we
have
ion
we're
going
to
look
at
them
from
two
different
avenues.
J
G
J
No
they're
not
separate,
well
that
no,
I
don't
think
they
are
okay.
You
know
we
just
do
some
scatter
mapping
and
see
where,
where
we
need
the
most
boots
on
the
ground,
you
know,
if
there's
an
area
town,
that's
relatively
new
and
built
out.
We
don't
want
people
driving
blitz
on
blight
cars
up
and
down
those
streets.
That's
you
know
a
waste
of
time,
so
we
kind
of
put
them
where
we
have
the
most
need.
J
Inner
gov
is
now
for
blitz
on
blood
anyway
working
they
they
can
manage
it
get
things
done.
The
process
is
going
through.
So
finally,
intergov
is
working
for
us
for
blitz
on
flight
events
that
delay
the
process.
Change
in
ownership
is
a
big
one.
You
can
have
somebody
just
deed
it
away
in
the
middle
of
whenever,
and
then
we
have
to
find
that
person
do
the
notice
figure
out
if
we
need
to
dismiss
the
action
if
we
can
amend
the
petition.
J
J
J
So
again,
if
we
can't
locate
an
owner
or
a
legal
interest
holder,
we've
got
to
publish
notes
in
the
paper
that
takes
a
while,
and
you
have
to
realize
that
both
the
notice
is
published
and
the
lawsuit.
So
there's
two
publication
timelines
that
we
have
to
go
through
and
that
spreads
it
out
and
then
again
the
trial
court
schedule
things
that
work,
we're
improving
case
management
in
intergov.
M
I'll
ask
one:
when
someone
decides
if
they're,
they
think
they
can
save
a
structure
and,
and
they
have
to
show
financials
that
they
can
make
it
work.
I
would
think
that,
with
with
some
of
these
buildings,
you
have
to
have
lots
of
contingency
dollars.
Just
is.
Is
that
part
of
what
what
what
you
figure
in
I
know,
there's
a
structure
at
I-235
exit
ramp,
and
I
I
think,
that's
19th,
and
that
that
that
has
been
a
process
that
they
remarkably
working
on
that.
J
Yeah,
it's
up
to
them
to
pretty
much
tell
us
how
much
they
need
and
then
we
look
at
it
a
lot
of
times
we'll
say,
bring
in
your
your
contractor's
bids
electrical
plumbing
mechanical
if
you're
going
to
put
a
roof
on
it.
What's
your
estimate
estimation
for
the
roof
that
that
one
is
a
unique
structure
that
we
actually
sent
it
for
historic
review
to
take
down?
J
It
was
that
close
and
the
historic
people
that
were
reviewing
it
came
back
and
said
you
need
to
save
this
house
at
the
same
time
somebody
came
in
and
bought
it,
so
it
just
all
kind
of
worked
together.
So
he's
pr
he's
renovating
it.
The
exterior
is
buttoned
up
now
which,
before
it
wasn't
so
we're
we're
giving
extensions
for
them
to
complete
it.
I
don't
think
anybody
wants
to
see
that
one
go
down
and
it
luckily
is
being
saved.
J
J
Sees
it
and
they
take
it
to
their
supervisor,
who
reviews
it
and
that's
the
that's,
the
collaboration
and
the
review
within
staff.
Okay,
it's
brought
to
my
attention.
If
it's,
if
it's
so
badly
damaged
that
somebody
says
it
should
be
an
emer
administrative
or
an
emergency
removal,
and
then
we
determine
which
direction
it
should
go.
G
J
J
Yeah,
it's
a
quicker
timeline
for
the
administrative
removal
and
then
there's
no
follow-up
court
action.
So,
for
instance,
if
I
was
going
to
do
an
administrative
removal,
we
would
say
the
date
a
set
for
hearing
is
october
first
first
meeting
in
october
right,
we
would
put
in
the
notice
that
they
have
to
appear
at
the
first
meeting
in
august
to
contest
the
action
otherwise.
J
None,
probably
I
have
five
years.
I
don't
think
you've
done
any
it's
it's
very
sparingly
used,
and
it's
only
if
we
believe
that
there
is
no
money
is
going
to
save
this
and
it
is
such
an
attractive
nuisance
to
the
neighborhood
that
we
need
to
get
it
out
of
there,
but
we
don't.
We
don't
lead
with
that.
I
mean
that's
extraordinary.
J
Yep
yep
now,
if
it's
burnt
to
the
ground
and
we
need
to
get
it
cleaned
up
like
the
one
on
capitol
we'll
do
an
emergency,
we
had
a
property.
I
think
it's
on
maple
that
the
front
you
know
we
were
in
the
public
nuisance
process
and
somebody
torched
it
and
the
front
porch
was
so
done
safe
that
we
needed
to
take
it
off.
So
as
an
emergency
action,
we
hired
a
company
just
to
remove
the
front
porch
and
I
know
it's
being
renovated
now,
but
we
had
to
get
that
front
porch
down.
G
Priority
safety
inspectors
right.
So
what
standards
are
they
inspecting?
Based
on
the
standards
I
outlined
this
morning?
I
just
some.
Some
of
it
is
just
like.
I
don't
know
where
the
determination
is
coming
from
that
determines
that
it
would
not
be
a
savable
structure
like
are
we
looking
at
building
code?
Are
we
looking
at
like?
Where
do
these
standards
come
from
chapter
60?
Chapter
6
is
where
the
standards
come
from,
okay
and
then
what
is
our
liability
like?
What
like?
G
J
N
And
if
I
might
just
add
here,
we
do
have
liability
because
a
lot
of
times
all
parties
that
could
have
a
potential
exposure
to
reliability
will
be
included
in
lawsuits.
So,
let's
say,
there's
a
loss
of
life
and
it
was
found
that
the
city
was
aware
of
the
structure
given
kind
of
the
deep
pocket
theory.
Since
the
city
is
funded,
that
that
likely
will
put
the
city
in
the
inclusion
in
a
lawsuit
doesn't
mean
they're
going
to
win.
It's
just
that.
We
have
to
be
very
concerned
about
the
consequences.
N
J
G
J
Not
not
only
that
you're
putting
your
first
responders
at
risk,
you
know
if
you
have
somebody
who's
living
in
a
house,
they
start
on
fire.
Then
you,
your
first
responders,
are
at
risk.
So
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
at
play
here.
You
know
the
kids
in
the
neighborhood
that
are
going
in
there
playing
with
matches
the
homeless
people
going
in
and
starting
fires
to
stay
warm
I
mean
those
are
liabilities
are
hazards,
but
also
our
first
responders.
We
have
to
protect
them.