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From YouTube: 8-8-22 City Council
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Des Moines City Council regular meeting on Monday, August 8, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
A
All
right,
everybody
welcome
to
the
municipal
housing
agency
governing
board
meeting
for
august
8th,
let's
call
our
meeting
to
order
and
I
will
ask
the
clerk
to
please
take
roll
of
our
board.
C
D
E
A
A
F
A
My
button
is
working
today.
All
right
that
completes,
we
had
a
short
agenda.
Could
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
so.
H
A
I
A
Welcome
everybody
to
our
des
moines
city
council
meeting
again
for
august
8th
before
we
take
roll
call.
I
was
just
reminded
I
welcome
back
to
our
clerks,
who
are
now
sitting
out
front
again,
so
we
get
to
see
their
bright
shiny
faces
and
we
can
communicate
directly
so
laura.
Thank
you
for
getting
everything
fixed
and
my
button
fixed
over
here.
So
I
can
vote
on
the
screen.
B
J
B
A
All
right
item
two
is
approving
the
agenda
as
presented
and
or
as
amended.
I
will
quickly
say
that
the
regular
items
for
this
evening
item
52
b
was
added.
It's
a
final
consideration
of
an
ordinance
above
the
waiver
is
requested
by
the
city
manager
and
again,
choir
requires
six
votes.
A
E
A
All
right
item
three
is
approving
the
consent
agenda.
Tonight
those
are
items
three
through
50
and
for
those
of
you
who
are
noting
on
this
item
five,
I
vote
no
item.
20,
council
member
shoemaker
votes,
no
item,
32
council
member
westerguard
wishes
to
speak
item.
38
councilman
regatta
wishes
to
speak
in
item
48b
and
48
c
council
member
shoemaker
votes.
No,
is
there
anything
else,
move
approval
right?
It's
been
moved
I'll.
E
A
All
right
this
evening,
again,
we
are
hearing
items
we
will
move
quickly.
That's
51
is
where
it
starts.
As
a
reminder,
you
know
for
the
zoning
items
this
evening,
which
are
53
and
54.
We
will
hear
from
the
parties
in
interest
first,
if
any
wish
to
speak
and
then
the
general
public,
the
parties
in
interest
are
the
people
within
250
feet
or
the
applicant
themselves.
A
After
all,
the
parties
in
interest
have
commented.
We
will
open
it
up
to
any
member
of
the
general
public
who
would
like
to
speak
to
aid
in
recognizing
the
parties
in
interest
who
may
speak
in
the
zoning
items
I'll
ask
that
everyone
else
not
step
up
to
the
to
the
microphone
unless
they
are
that
applicant
or
they
have
lived
within
250
feet
and
received
that
notice.
A
Anyone
who
approaches
the
mic
before
their
time
will
be
compared
with
the
mailing
list
and,
if
not
on
the
list,
will
be
considered,
disruptive
and
will
not
be
recognized
for
the
remainder
of
the
meeting
and
will
be
required
to
leave
the
building.
So
please,
I
ask,
wait
until
I
call
in
the
general
public
for
the
zoning
items
or
you
won't
be.
A
So
let's
go
ahead
and
get
started.
Item
51.
item
51
is
on
a
vacation
of
city
alley
right
of
way
located
north
of
and
adjoining
2513
high
street
and
a
conveyance
to
robert
fuller
for
75
dollars.
A
is
the
first
consideration
of
this
ordinance
b
is
the
final
consideration
of
the
ordinance
above
and
the
waiver
is
requested
by
robert
fuller
and
requires
six
votes
again,
we'll
open
up
the
general
public
and
ask
if
anyone
would
like
to
speak
on
this
vacation
of
the
alley.
A
A
Item
52,
which
is
on
the
vacation
of
excess,
east-west
alley,
right-of-way
located
south
of
east
railroad,
avenue
north
of
harriet
street
and
east
of
southeast
15th
street.
A
is
the
first
consideration
in
ordinance
above
b.
Is
the
final
consideration,
the
ordinance
above
waivers
requested
by
our
city
manager
and
requires
six
votes
again,
we'll
ask:
are
there
any
germain
comments
from
the
general
public
regarding
this
vacation
of
this
excess
east
west
alley.
A
A
Item
53:
this
is
on
a
request
from
our
michael
knapp.
We
don't
have
this.
We
do
now.
Okay,
I
retract
what
I
just
said.
A
Again,
this
is
a
re-zoning
and
we'll
ask:
are
there
any
parties
in
interest
present,
including
the
applicant,
is
the
applicant
here?
Would
you
like
to
speak.
K
A
Anybody
all
right
stay
available
in
case
something
pops
up.
Are
there
any
other
individuals
in
interest
who
received
a
note
within
who
live
within
250
feet
of
this
property
around.
A
Seeing
none
we'll
open
it
up
and
see
if
there
are
any
germain
comments
from
the
general
public
again,
would
anybody
like
to
speak
regarding
this
rezoning.
J
Yeah,
mr
mayor,
I
will
move
item
53,
53a
and
then
pursuant
to
rule
42a
I'll
move
to
wave
the
second
and
third
readings.
Second,.
A
L
Hello,
I'm
anna
squire
with
ma
architecture
here
on
behalf
of
jenny
smith
with
4021
properties
llc,
as
you
described,
we're
asking
to
rezone
the
property
from
nx2
to
rx2.
We
have
received
and
notarized
the
condition
with
this
free
zoning
that
we
follow;
preservation,
brief,
14
and
work
with
city
staff
to
comply
with
design
requirements
associated
with
that.
So
we
ask
that
you
consider
and
approve
of
the
rezoning
and
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Hearing
none,
we
thank
you,
but
stay
available
in
case.
Something
comes
up
blast
now,
if
there's
any
parties
in
interest
here
who
live
within
250
feet
of
this
property
being
asked
to
be
re-zoned
any
one
party
and
interest
within
that
250
feet
that
received
the
notice.
A
Seeing
none,
let's
open
it
up
and
are
there
any
members
of
the
general
public
who
would
like
to
speak
on
this
rezoning.
M
What
up
council,
my
name
is
chad,
kroger.
This
is
my
colleague
jt,
so
we
heard
that
iowa
will
be
voting
for
a
bill
that
could
potentially
prevent
citizens
from
being
able
to
bear
arms,
and
we
come
from
far
away
a
place
called
socal
where
that
right
is
protected
and
it's
a
tradition
that
has
brought
great
joy.
N
A
Could
be
dire
consequences
you're
showing
up,
but
you
are.
This
is
not
relevant
to
this
issue
that
is
under
consideration.
We're
talking
about
a
rezoning,
so
you
are
out
of
order
and
we'll
ask
you
to
please
sit
down
well.
N
A
All
right
that
takes
us
back
to
item
32.
L
F
America
street,
if
I
could
interject
just
for
a
moment,
while
our
friends
from
southern
california
are
still
filming,
I
just
want
to
point
out
the
double
standard.
Well,
that
was
very
funny.
We
do
have
a
double
standard
that
when
other
people
come
up
and
speak
out
of
order,
they
aren't
treated
with
the
politeness
that
they
were
treated
here
today,
and
I
just
think
that
needs
to
be
pointed
out.
A
To
liberty,
holdings
inc
for
twenty
five
thousand,
eight
hundred
and
seventy
five
dollars,
the
hearing
is
being
scheduled
for
8
22
of
22.
O
O
O
My
concern
with
this
is,
is
I
don't
want
us
to
vote
to
approve
anything
with
liberty
holdings
until
we
can
get
them
to
proactively
work
with
the
neighborhood
if
you're
familiar
with
this,
this
is
just
north
of
washington
avenue
in
the
in
the
industrial
business
park,
but
right
across
the
street
we
have
martin
luther
king,
junior
neighborhood
association
and
those
are
all
single
family
homes.
I
have
been
to
the
homes
I
have
been
invited
by
the
people
who
live
there
to
come
and
see
the
cement
dust
they're
having
trouble
breathing,
they
can't
go
outside.
O
I
would
really
like
us
to
see
what
we
can
do.
I
had
contacted
the
city,
the
city
said
there
isn't
anything
we
can
do
you
have
to
contact
the
county,
so
I
contacted
the
county.
I
did
receive
an
email
back
saying
they
had
gone
out
and
they
had
talked
to
liberty
to
liberty
holdings
and
they
would
try
to
do
what
they
could
do
to
get
the
dust
down.
But
I
think
I
I
owe
it
to
those
that
I
represent
that
we
really
work
on
coming
up
with
the
solution
here.
O
O
O
O
A
All
right
council
member
gato
has
asked
to
pull
item
38.
What's
the
preliminary
terms
of
an
urban
renewal
development
agreement
with.
I
H
Mr
mayor,
just
a
couple
things
I
I'd
like
to
point
out
and
I've
had
a
discussion
with
scott
and
some
council
members.
H
This
is
asking
for
significant
resources
from
the
city.
It's
adjacent
to
columbus,
mckinley
park,
which
I
still
represent
until
january
1..
I
was
never
notified
about
216
unit
family
development
going
in
neither
was
the
neighborhood
association
that
it's
adjacent
to.
H
I
don't
even
know
if
the
schools
were
notified,
that
we're
going
to
put
that
big
of
a
housing
unit
in
this
is.
This
is
some
prime
real
estate
that
I
feel
that
we're
investing
a
ton
of
money
into
river
trails,
water
trails
down
the
raccoon,
that
this
is
right
on
the
water.
It
could
be
a
mixed
use
with
housing
above
it
with
commercial,
but
this
is
the
first
of
probably
many
that
we're
going
to
see
that
want
that
want
this
land
that
maybe
won't
ask
for
so
much
significant
resources.
H
H
To
me,
I
think
we
can
do
better.
This
is
an
out
of
town
group.
It's
not
someone
local,
that
we
can
have
a
multiplier
if
we're
going
to
invest
in
someone
local
that
we're
going
to
get
the
turnaround
that
we
would
get
from
a
local
developer,
not
to
say
that
there
hasn't
been
any
interest,
the
the
property
directly
to
the
west.
H
H
I
I
just
the
process
is
flawed
and,
and
I've
talked
to
scott-
yes,
I'm
sure
the
at-large
council
members,
the
ward
council
member,
was
contacted
but
to
leave
an
entire
neighborhood
group
out
of
any
type
of
discussion
even
just
up
front.
I
mean
when
we
built
bc,
flats
and
jackson
crossing
in
in
eagle
view,
it
wasn't
in
pioneer
park,
neighborhood
association.
H
It
wasn't
in
even
the
columbus
park
neighborhood,
but
they
were
all
included
in
the
conversation
at
the
very
beginning,
which
is
a
way
that
worked
out.
Fine,
because
we
didn't
get
emails
from
the
neighborhood
association,
we
didn't
they
were
all
for
it.
It's
a
great
development
and
I'm
not
saying
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
terrible
development
or
or
we
don't
need
to
invest.
H
I
think
that
we
can
do
better
and
I-
and
I
think
that
I
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
that
we're
going
to
miss
out
by
just
settling
for
something
that
it's
the
first
to
come,
that
that's
all
really,
I
had
to
say,
I'm
not
going
to
support
it
because
it
needs
to
have
a
discussion
with
the
neighborhood
and-
and
it
seems
to
me
like
that,
the
decisions
already
made
that
they're
not
going
to
have
any
discussion
with
it.
H
Nor
did
the
war
councilman
reach
out
to
his
future
neighborhood
association
and
let
them
know
about
it.
I
get
a
call
from
them
on
friday
or
thursday
when
the
agenda
come
out,
wondering
what
this
is
all
about.
I
had
no
idea.
It
was
not
on
the
june
portion
that
aaron
sends
out.
I
did.
I
went
back
and
looked
at
my
email.
I
didn't
see
that
on
there,
so
I
I
know
that
it
was
said
that
it
was
on
these
things
and
it
it's
it's
flawed.
The
process
we
need
to
do
better
and
so.
I
A
H
I
mean
there's
really
no
response,
I
mean
the
decisions
been
made.
I
mean
I'm
not
looking
for
a
response.
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
be
supportive.
It
would
be
nice
if
we
would
continue
it
have
a
discussion
with
the
neighborhood
association.
Let
them
know
what
we're
going
to
do
instead
of
moving.
You
know
moving
so
quickly.
H
You
know
that
that
I
think
that's,
I
think.
That's
what
mr
post
and
the
entire
neighborhood
association
would
like
to
see.
P
So
obviously,
we're
always
open
to
have
a
conversation
about
changing
the
process
and
I
think
we
can
obviously
bring
that
forward
if
there
are
several
council
members
that
want
to
have
this
as
a
scheduled
strategic
item.
Even
but
there
is
no
required
zoning
changes
and
that's
when
you
would
typically
trigger
through
our
process
the
neighborhood
association
notices
and
have
those
conversations.
It's.
H
A
J
But
so
I
do
support
this
project.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
done
with
our
zoning
is
we
have
identified
places
where
projects
of
this
magnitude
are
appropriate
to
build,
and
that
is
the
the
point
of
the
zoning
discussion
that
we
had
to
make
it
easier.
J
You
know
one
of
the
one
of
the
issues
that
is
frequently
raised
as
we
make
it
too
hard
to
develop
in
des
moines,
and
I
think
it's
positive
that
we
are
drawing
this
type
of
interest
from
groups
that
have
successfully
developed
in
communities
all
around
our
country
and
one
of
the
changes
that
we
made
with
our
zoning
was
to
identify
areas
where
the
scope
of
development
was
appropriate,
and
I
that
is
what
we
have
done
in
this
case.
J
You
know
I
do
think
there
are
parts
of
our
development
agreement
that
that
certainly
merit
merit
discussion
from
a
policy
perspective.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
this
is
all
project
generated
increment.
So
this
is
not
getting
any
incentives,
above
and
above
and
beyond
what
will
be
generated
by
the
project.
They
are
contributing
to
our
to
our
tax
base
and
they
will
be
housing
folks
in
our
community.
There
is
a
definite
need
for
projects
like
this.
It
fits
within
the
area.
J
There
are
lots
of
other
multi-family
projects
in
the
adjacent
parcels,
so
getting
a
almost
60
million
dollar
investment.
At
this
parcel,
I
think,
is
a
positive
project
and
I'm
excited
to
see
it
move
forward.
J
J
I
certainly
think
one
of
the
principles
anytime
that
that
we
go
above
and
beyond
project
generated
incentives
that
may
be
an
appropriate
time
to
trigger
broader
council
involvement,
but
if
you're
within
project
generated
incentives
and
you're
consistent
with
previous
policies,
I
think
this
was
appropriate.
The
other
thing
I
would
point
out
these
are
preliminary
terms,
so
there's
still
time
for
conversation
before
the
terms
are
finalized,
but
I
think
this
is
how
our
process
is
set
up.
I
think
it
is
appropriate
and
I
am
happy
to
move
item
38
at
this
time.
F
I'll,
second,
that
I
am
also
in
support
of
this
project.
What
we're
talking
about
is
216
is
that
216
units
of
affordable
housing
at
60
ami
in
an
area
that
already
has
similar
density,
we're
not
adding
new
density
to
the
area.
At
the
final
point
of
this
project,
this
would
constitute
one-third
of
the
of
the
existing
units
in
the
adjacent
areas.
So
it's
not
like
we're
putting
in
a
huge
new
project
that
doesn't
belong
there.
It
absolutely
fits
in.
I
would
also
add
on
that.
F
I
think
it's
a
wonderful
thing
to
put
next
to
our
water
trails,
for
the
point
of
them
is,
is
for
use
our
trails
along
along
the
river.
The
point
is
use
and
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
more
residents
who
are
going
to
be
able
to
use
those
trails
that
we
put
by
the
river,
and
so
I
think
it's
going
to
be
an
appropriate
location.
H
E
Can
I
just
ask,
can
we
just
have
a
clarification
of
how
does
this
compare
to
the
other
projects
that
we
have
given
incentives
to,
and
I
did
ask
the
question
about
the
schools
and
they
were
going
to
look
into
the
numbers
that
they
thought
they
looked
at
the
history
of
for
these
type
of
apartments?
How
many
usually
50
of
the
building
is
usually
filled
with
kids
so,
and
I
think
that's
a
conversation
that
we
should
always
have
with
the
school
district
when
you're
building
this
larger
unit
that
could
have
a
lot
of
kids.
E
Is
there
accessibility
it's
a
little
more
advantageous
there,
because
you
do
have
mckinley,
you
have
walnut,
you
have
downtown,
so
you
do
have
probably
a
little
more
choice
than
in
some
neighborhoods,
but
that
will
continue
to
be
a
concern
that
I
think
we
need
to
be
aware
of
where's
waldman
at
walnut
street
building.
E
C
Mayor
connie,
just
a
quick
comment:
I'm
pleased
that
the
developer
plans
to
use
the
low
income
housing
tax
credits
on
this
project.
I
think
that's
a
four
percent
tax
credit,
so
four
percent
programs,
so
I
don't
think
we've
had
one
of
those
in
des
moines
for
some
time,
so
I'm
encouraged
about
that
program
and
this
project
well.
Thank
you.
O
If
I
could
just
put
my
two
cents
in,
I
know
it's
not
my
ward,
but
I
do
stand
with
joe
feeling
like
he
should
have
been
notified.
I
mean
it
is
right
across
the
street
we
have
local
developers
that
do
a
really
good
job
here,
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
an
out
of
state
developer
and
what
he'll
do
and
will
he
be
here
to
manage
it
and
how
will
that
work?
C
H
For
20
years,
then
they'll
sell
it
after
the
tiff
runs
out
in
the
tax
abatement.
That's
typically
what
they
do.
Council,
member
boss,
sure
I
don't
think
the
problem.
I
don't
think
the
problem
that
we're
looking
at
is
is
the
first
10
or
15
years,
when
the
incentives
are
here.
It's
it's
gone
way
past
that
and
looking
to
the
future
of
20
30
40
years
and
how
sustainable
it's
going
to
be
and
what
type
of
development
it's
going
to
be.
F
I
will
point
out
as
well
that
we
are
not
the
only
incentive
on
this
project.
You
pointed
out.
Councilmember
voss,
iowa
finance
authority
is
also
providing
the
tax
credit
which
I
believe
goes
beyond
our
time
that
we're
providing
benefits
past
our
17
years
that
we're
providing
benefits.
It
would
go
beyond
that,
so
they
might
have
requirements
as
well
beyond
ours
to
stay
in.
H
It's
really
important,
I
didn't
even
say
anything
about
the
mi.
I
said
a
million
dollars
on
it
on
a
building
of
56
million
dollars,
but
the
motion's
on
the
table.
We
don't
have
to
discuss
it
anymore.
I
think
everyone
knows
where
we're
all
of
a
stand
up
here.
You
want
to
look
at
the
process
you
can
or
we
can
continue
to
go
down
this
road
and
have
things
thrown
on
the
agenda
and
be
surprises,
and
then
we
can
have
discussions
like
this
at
the
table
or
we
can
get
it
taken
care
of
before
this.
I.
E
Just
want
to
say,
as
an
at-large
person,
I
very
rarely
I
am
just
now
being
included
in
a
lot
of
projects,
so
I
just
find
out
also,
I
know
carl
and
I
have
asked
that
we
get
updates
we're
getting
updates
now,
because
when
I
first
got
on
the
council,
everybody
goes
to
the
ward
person,
so
we
at
large
were
never
included.
So
I
appreciate
this
company
at
least
reaching
out
and
wanting
to
talk
to
us
and
go
over
the
project,
so
just
want
to
clarify
some
of
that
part
of
it.
H
A
I
want
to
say
before
I
vote
on
this.
I
absolutely
agree.
I
think
that
it
it
it's
a
important
project
to
house
a
lot
of
people
that
could
be
families
could
be
students.
It
could
be
people
that
you
know
are
looking
to
be
near
our
core
and
near
some
of
these
amenities
and-
and
I
think
216
units
is
a
rather
large
development,
but
there's
some
other
large
developments
around
that
area.
A
The
thing
that
does
concern
me,
as
I
also
received,
calls
from
the
neighborhood.
While
I
support
the
development
and
the
concept,
I
do
think
that
they
should
have
been
notified
and
at
least
been
able
to
look
at
it.
Usually
that
would
have
happened
in
the
past
through
the
planning
and
zoning
process,
and
everybody
would
at
least
have
gotten
a
look
at
it
and
occasionally
even
going
out
to
the
neighborhood
and
say
you
know,.
I
A
F
F
America,
can
I
ask
you
sorry
this:
it
wouldn't
go
through
planning
and
zoning,
because
it's
not
a
rezoning
process
right
and
so
essentially,
with
this
area
zoned
for
multi-family
development,
it
would
be.
The
neighbors
should
be
aware
in
general
that
that
kind
of
a
project
would
be
put
in
this
area,
and
so
the
need
for
notice
notification
isn't
built
in
for
that
purpose,
since
it's
not
going
through
planning
and
zoning.
A
True
but
the
there's
a
number
of
processes,
either
design
review
board
or
some
of
the
others.
That
often
are
so
at
least
the
neighbors
in
the
residence
are
not
surprised
that
a
development
of
this
stature
in
size,
pops
up
right
next
door
to
them
and
they
didn't
know
what
was
going
to
happen.
A
H
I
think
to
the
mayor's
point.
Typically,
this
doesn't
come
to
us.
First
goes
to
the
neighborhoods,
it
goes
to
pnz
the
war
councilman.
Usually,
if
it's
going
to
come
to
us,
includes
all
the
neighbors
and
make
sure
everyone
is
okay
with
it
and
we're
not
all
getting
emails
on
thursday
before
the
council
meeting.
Okay.
A
A
Q
Mr
mayor
members
of
council,
john
kipp
fire
chief
in
city
of
des
moines,
since
this
is
not
to
make
a
joke,
but
since
this
is
an
informal
hearing,
I'm
using
a
bit
of
an
informal
presentation,
because
my
purpose
really
is
to
to
answer
the
questions
that
people
have
and
tell
the
story
about
how
we
got
here
and
give
a
visual
of
the
the
new
station
location.
Q
Previously,
the
city
council
approved
in
the
cip
a
replacement
of
station
four
station
four
is
currently
at
ninth
and
university,
and
so
the
action
on
the
agenda
tonight
is
to
authorize
city
staff
to
begin
the
property
acquisition
process,
which
is
really
the
first
formal
time
that
staff
can
talk
specifically
with
property
owners,
about
gift
negotiation
or
eminent
domain
regarding
acquisition
of
the
property.
So
some
of
the
questions
that
people
have
is
how
do
we
get
here
and
what
what's
the
purpose
of
relocating
the
station?
Q
Ninety
percent
of
the
time
now,
clearly,
we
don't
have
enough
stations
that
you
hit
every
every
inch
of
land
in
the
city
of
des
moines,
but
we
try
to
do
our
best
to
plan
that
out.
There
is
an
area.
There
was
an
area
in
the
north
east
when
a
council
authorized
replacing
or
creating
station
11
that
we
cut
the
travel
time
in
half.
That
was
the
greatest
inequity
in
service
in
the
city.
Q
Next
is
before
you
I'm
going
to
use
this
see
if
I
can
kind
of
lean
a
little
bit
and
give
you
an
outline
of
generally
the
area
that
we're
talking
about
at
a
point
that's
around,
if
you're
familiar
with
the
chautauqua
park
area
just
north
of
there.
Q
If
you
were
to
follow
the
river
to
the
north
up
to
up
to
ml
king
roughly
at
urbandale
avenue
and
then
you're
going
to
come
diagonally
to
the
southwest
to
about
34th
and
forest
and
then
back
to
the
southeast,
to
about
25th
in
university,
that
area
sits
between
the
fire
station
at
9th
and
university
and
the
fire
station
at
4,
800
douglas
avenue,
and
so
there's
a
there's,
an
area
in
there.
That
does
not
meet
that
four
minute
response
that
travel
time.
Q
Ninety
percent
of
the
time
and
so
station
four
also
happens
to
be
our
second
oldest
facility
is
aging
as
a
facility.
Q
It
is
antiquated
programmatically
as
a
facility
for
eating
sleeping
exercising
control
of
exhaust
from
apparatus
how
we
clean
our
fire
gear,
those
kinds
of
things,
and
so
there's
an
opportunity
when
you
do
replace
a
station
of
this
age
to
make
up
those
things.
I
won't
tell
the
whole
history,
but
one
of
the
questions
that
I
got
was
did
this
inequity
always
exist
and
it
did
not.
Q
If
you
go
back
to
the
late
40s
through
the
early
60s,
a
lot
of
things
were
happening
in
this
part
of
town.
One
was
a
lot
of
homes
were
being
built
and
the
fires
the
fire
department
was,
was
building
along
with
them.
They
built
the
station
at
ninth
university,
a
station
at
32nd
and
university,
and
a
station
at
beaver
and
hickman,
which
you
can
just
tell
by
looking
at
if
you're
familiar
with
the
map
that
covers
this
area
pretty
well.
At
the
same
time,
two
other
things
were
happening.
Q
Q
We
lower
the
number
of
fire
stations
that
we
have,
and
so
we
displace
them.
We
spread
them
out.
Then
you
end
up
with
the
original
station
at
19
university
station
5
then
goes
to
42nd
in
the
freeway
and
station
9
is
up
by
merle
hay
mall,
as
technology
improves
and
we
study.
We
learn
that
there's
an
inequity.
So
now
is
the
time
to
move
that
station.
So
where
do
you
move
the
station?
What
are
the
criteria
for
doing
so?
Q
As
we
analyze
this
part
of
town,
we
found
that
a
point
to
start
from
was
about
16th
and
carpenter
to
figure
out.
How
do
you
one
eliminate
the
inequity
in
service
and
two?
You
don't
give
up
service
someplace
else,
we're
not
trading
a
good
service
for
less
service,
so
we
started
and
mapped
many
many
times
locations
sprawling
out
from
16th
and
carpenter.
Q
One
of
the
things
that
we
wanted
to
do
was
to
make
sure
that
we
covered
that
area
that
did
not
meet
the
four
minute
response
time.
90
of
the
time
we
were
looking
for
places
that
did
that,
but
had
the
least
number
of
parcels,
both
residential
and
vacant,
that
would
be,
they
could
be
used
for
a
fire
station
facility,
and
so
what
we
ended
up
with
was
four
primary
sites
that
we
wanted
to
look
at.
Q
Q
Obviously,
if
you're
familiar
with
where
our
fire
stations
are,
you
know
that
this
location
at
broadlawns
hospital
is
the
furthest
from
downtown,
and
so,
while
it
did
not
have
the
number
of
residential
properties
near
it
or
that
would
be
impacted,
it
would
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
western
side
of
downtown's
empire
and
ems
response,
and
it
would
really
crank
up
the
runs
from
station
one
in
a
way
that
would
not
be
sustainable.
It's
too
far
away.
It's
a
full
mile
north
of
the
eventual
site.
Q
Now
one
other
consideration
that
for
me,
if
you're
familiar
with
hickman
road
when
it
goes
to
the
east-
and
it
goes
down
the
hill
during
heavy
rains,
it
floods
there
and
so
that
across
from
broadlawn
site,
became
less
and
less
tenable.
It's
not
a
great
place
to
root.
It
would
cover
that
that
area
of
the
map,
if
the
weather
was
always
nice
kind
of
coming
back
to
the
along
the
two
properties
that
are
on
either
side
of
ml
king
at
lincoln.
Q
Those
also
covered
the
map,
but
also
would
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
western
end
of
downtown
and
they
impacted
between
five
and
ten
residential
properties.
One
of
them
also
had
some
infrastructure,
some
storm
water
and
sewer
that
would
have
caused
additional
just
to
make
it
happen.
Q
Once
I
made
the
decision
that
that
was
the
that
was
the
location
based
on
the
data
and
those
impact
working
with
engineering
and
facilities.
We
did
a
briefing
with
ward
and
at
large
council.
Then
we
had
a
virtual
public
meeting
on
may
26th.
I
have
the
date
right.
Q
Only
only
one
member
of
the
public
attended
that
meeting,
but
it,
but
it
led
to
a
second
virtual
meeting,
specifically
with
the
king,
irving,
neighborhood
association,
and
that
was,
and
that
was
better
attended,
and
I
I
really
want
to
give
some
grand
credit
to
ansel
rich
munson
for
putting
it
together.
That
way,
because
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
have
happened
between
that
second
virtual
meeting
and
today
is
the
purpose
of
having
those
those
public
meetings.
And
so
some
of
the
specific
questions
are.
Q
Do
you
need
to
take
all
of
the
parcels
that
can
be
seen
on
a
map?
And
I,
if
I
can,
I
can
scroll.
Q
Do
you
need
to
how
far
north
do
you
need
to
go,
and
the
answer
is
the
minimum
amount
it
takes
to
complete
the
fire
station
project?
We
don't
want
to
go
further
than
we
have
to.
When
we
looked
at
this.
We
did
recommend
that
this
alleyway
extend
out
to
19th
street
so
that
it
would
not
be
a
dead
end
so
that
there
would
be
an
additional
access
and
some
of
the
questions
from
residents
have
been
they
don't
they
don't
believe
that
that's
safe
or
necessary,
or
should
happen.
Q
Q
Q
Are
there
some
things,
cardiovascular
and
otherwise,
that
we
can
do
with
how
we
wake
people
up,
how
we
notify
them
when
there's
alarms
things
like
that,
that
will
that
we'll
incorporate
in
this
facility
here,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
other
questions
that
came
up
just
today,
and
so
I
I
kind
of
want
to
ask
the
mayor
and
council
are
the
other
questions
that
you
have
at
this
time.
I
know
I
know:
there's
members
of
the
of
the
public
that'll
probably
want
to
speak.
I
want
to
make
sure
they
get
hurt.
H
Chief,
the
station
that
we
built
11,
yes,
are
we
going
to
build
this,
the
same
exact
size
or
is
the
room
that
you
have
the
report
room
when
we
toured
it,
I
thought
that
room
was
going
to
be
smaller.
So,
as
I
know,
this
is
going
to
have
a
bigger
another
door
on
it,
but
is
that
room
going
to
be
smaller.
Q
Okay,
so
great
question,
thank
you.
The
concepts
from
station
11
are
going
to
be
used
here,
but
there
there
is
no
design
at
this
point.
So
those
things
about
that
we
learned
from
station
11
sure
I
think
the
the
fitness
like
the
fitness
area,
for
example.
I
think
we
hit
it
out
of
the
park.
The
report
room.
Could
that
be
smaller?
Yes,
the
the
non-gender
specific
bathroom
shower
areas
are
a
great,
a
great
way
to
move
forward.
Q
One
element-
that's
not
in
station
11
that
will
be
here
will
be
a
stairwell,
it's
not
used
for
burning,
but
we
can
use
it
for
training
from
outside
the
building.
You
won't
be
able
to
see
it
because
it
will
be
covered
with
brick,
but
that
will
enhance
the
use
of
the
building,
something
else
that
I
think
worked
well
at
station.
11
that
we
will
have
here
is
we
the
training
space
in.
There
is
also
a
community
space,
so
the
neighborhoods
associations
around
station
11
can
use
independently
the
the
community
space
there.
Q
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
something
that
would
be
a
benefit
to
the
neighborhood.
I
know.
There's
interest
in
this
project
goes
forward
incorporating
things
that
are
important
to
the
neighbors
in
any
way
that
we
can
in
the
project.
I
think
that's
a
really
healthy
thing.
We
want
to
be
good
neighbors,
we
want
people
to
come,
see
us
and
we
want
to
be
safe
when
we're
interacting
with
them.
Q
There
are
two
kinds
of
interactions
that
people
have
asked
about:
one
is
the
the
nature
of
fire
apparatus
getting
out
into
the
street
and
the
neighbors
getting
out
into
the
street
specifically
19th
street.
Should
the
safety
of
one
is
not
important
over
the
safety
of
another,
and
my
answer
to
those
kinds
of
questions
are
any
driveway
for
a
personal
vehicle
or
a
fire
apparatus,
or
an
ambulance
should
be
constructed
in
a
way
that
people
can
enter
traffic
safely.
Q
Q
It
would
cause
a
real
problem,
travel
time
wise
to
go
south,
but
we
would
have
to
acquire
a
lot
more
property
in
order
to
get
those
kinds
of
clearances.
So
those
things
are
things
that
we're
thinking
about.
Another
question
had
to
do
with
what
about
there's
a
school
across
this
across
the
way.
Is
that
a
is
that
is
that
risky
to
do
that?
Q
And
I
don't
believe
that
it
is
because
we've
got
two
well
controlled
intersections
with
lights
and
if
anybody's
ever
seen
a
fire
apparatus
pull
out
of
a
station,
we
pull
out.
We
get
the
doors,
closing,
that's
our
opportunity
to
look
left
and
right.
It's
a
I
kind
of
walk
through
with
council
member
schumacher
the
different
elements
at
the
different
stations,
whether
it's
neighbors
schools,
traffic
that
are
they're
different
variables,
but
it
all
has
to
do
with.
H
So
I'm
interested
to
know
you
talked
about
the
four-minute
response
time,
ninety
percent
and
you-
and
I
have
had
multiple
conversations,
probably
over
the
last
nine
years,
that
we've
that
I've
sat
here
where
else
in
the
city
is
that
happening,
because
I
guess
I
was
never
aware
that
this
was
part
of
the
city
and
that's
why
we
need
to
move
this
station
to
the
direction
where
you're
putting
it.
Where
else
in
the
city
are
we
having
those
problems?
Also.
Q
I
can't
give
you
a
specific,
but
I
can
say
that
the
station
11
was
to
eliminate
the
worst
yeah.
I
understand
that
this
is
the
second
one,
and
the
next
look
actually
has
to
look
in
a
whole
new
way
at
the
central
of
downtown
and
south,
because
we
haven't
studied,
I
would
say,
if
there's
an
area,
that's
that's!
Next!
Q
On
that
specific
metric,
it's
about
east,
21st
and
evergreen,
and
so
the
conversation
about
is
that
is
it
because
of
the
busyness
of
the
apparatus
there,
the
activity
that
just
the
human
activity
of
being
there.
But
that
would
be
one
other
area.
You
can
look
to
other
areas
that
are
very
less
densely
populated.
Q
H
So,
as
the
as
the
runs
have
increased
each
and
every
year,
do
you
have
any
plans
of
adding
a
medic
to
every
station
as
we
go
forward,
because
I
believe
every
year-
and
I
know
this
year-
we're
probably
well
over
a
thousand
calls
than
where
we
were
last
year
at
the
same
time
and
I'm
sure
you're
well
aware
of
that.
So
what
is
what
is
the
plans
to
address
that
as
we
move
this
farther
from
the
core
I
mean
I
I
and
I
asked
you
this
this
morning
about
station
one.
H
Does
this
put
more
heat
on
station
one
and
then,
as
we
put
more
heat
on
station,
one
that
draws
from
the
rest
of
the
city
yeah,
I'm
concerned
with,
I
mean
where
where's
the
breaking
point,
as
as
you
see
it,
as
far
as
the
numbers
keep
going
up,
I
mean
they're,
not
as
long
as
I've
said
sat
here.
They
have
never
gone
down,
they
keep
increasing
and
we're
on
pace
to
I
mean
over
a
thousand
calls
already
in
six
months.
That's
that's
a
lot.
Q
Yeah
and
actually
the
answer
to
your
question
is
specifically
why
the
council
authorized
the
standards
of
cover
studies
so
that
we
can
we
go
from
first,
where
are
the
fixed
facilities
for
the
travel
times?
Then
we
determine
how
many
of
all
the
pieces
that
we
need.
Do
we
have
the
right
number
of
engines,
trucks,
ambulances,
my
guess
is
it'll
come
back
and
say
more,
and
it's
from
that
that
we
come
back
to
the
council
on
how
many
people
does
it
take
to
keep
all
those
things
in
service?
Q
H
Q
That
said,
we
are
certainly
we
are
we.
We
certainly
are
growing
by
about
four
to
five
percent
calls
per
year.
So
there'll
always
be
a
time
when
I
come
back
and
say
these
are
the
resources
necessary
to
staff
the
units
that
we
have
and
the
numbers
of
them
and
then
it's
up
to
the
council
to
decide
what
to
appropriate.
F
I
think
you'll
be
happy
to
hear
that
most
of
the
questions
I
was
asking
chief
de
kip
today
were
about
the
broad
lawns
location
and
if
that
was
a
viable
option
as
well
as
this
one
and
that's
so
much
further
north,
and
he
basically
gave
me
the
reasons
that
he
laid
out
today,
that
it
wasn't
going
to
be
viable
partially
because
of
that
distance
yeah
and
that
we
didn't
want
to
overwhelm
station
one
yeah.
That's.
F
A
We
could,
I
suppose,
open
it
up
and
and
give
five
minutes
if
there's
some
folks
that
would
like
to
I.
A
Okay,
let's
jeep
you
may
want
to
hang
in
case.
Somebody
has
a
question,
but
let's
open
it
up,
it
looks
like
we
have
a
gentleman
here
that
would
like
to
speak.
Give
us
your
name
address
and
I.
R
Am
garland
armstrong
at
ward,
2,
37,
28,
hubbell
avenue?
This
is
for
the
chief
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
if,
when
people
where
they
are
at
when,
when
you
say
the
timing
of
it
to
make
sure
that
you
don't
have
to
travel
like
from
from
that
one
station
all
the
way
to
the
other-
and
I
know
sometimes
it's
the
traffic.
R
So
how
can
they
make
sure
about
that
situation
so
and
then
also
the
same
thing
too,
especially
when
seniors
or
people
with
disabilities
who
are
also
going
to
be
trapped
in
there?
How
will
they
be
extremely
well
prepared
for
this?
Because
sometimes
it's
like?
Are
they?
Are
they
going
to
make
sure
to
be
ready
for
it?
Because
we
don't
know,
god
forbid
down
the
road
when
seniors,
who
are
disabled
and
individuals
with
disabilities,
who
might
be
in
that
same
situation,
but
are
they
be
extremely
well
prepared
and
tested
for
it?
R
Because
everyone's
counting
on
them
to
especially
lies,
is
most
important
about
on
the
line
and
making
sure
to
have
the
traffic
light
flashing
so
that
they'll
know
that
they're
coming
so
cars
won't
try
to
won't
try
to
smash
into
it
or
something
like
that
because
they
want
to.
They
want
to
get
there
on
schedule.
Q
Actually,
there's
by
two
or
three
really
good
points
in
there.
One
of
the
benefits
of
this
location
is
that
it's
near
two
traffic
lights,
and
so
it's
a
process
called
preemption
in
which
we
can
control
the
lights.
So
when
we
come
out
and
the
lights
turn
red
for
the
cross
traffic
that
allows
us
to
go
through
safety
safely.
Q
One
of
the
things
that
you
talked
about
was
our
ability
to
get
to
people
where
they
are,
especially
if
they
are
elderly
and
or
and
or
disabled
in
some
manner.
And
one
of
the
elements
of
this
is
to
to
use
that
stairwell.
So
we
can
practice
not
only
fighting
dragging
hoes
and
those
those
kind
of
things.
Q
But
how
do
we
move
people
through
hallways,
especially
in
multi-family
environments,
and
just
generally,
we
we
train
for
all
kinds
of
things,
and
so
it's
kind
of
a
we
respond
on
people's
worst
day
to
find
a
solution
to
make
it
better,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
that.
H
T
H
F
T
And
the
other
issue
that
I
kind
of
have
with
this
is
that
everybody
doesn't
attend
neighborhood
associations.
So
how
were
people
that
are
closely
impacted
by
this?
How
were
they
or
how
were
they
notified
so.
Q
Well
kind
of
second
question:
first
and
this
this
is
this
is
available
on
the
city's
website.
If
you
go
to
dsm.city
fire
department
station,
there's
some
q
a
for
frequently
asked
questions
there
and
the
first
public
meeting
the
57
residents
within
250
feet
were
sent
a
mail
notification.
Q
There
was
11
partner
organizations
in
the
area
as
well
as
drake,
and
the
neighborhood
associations
is
how
the
notice
went
out.
It
was
not
done
person
to
person,
but
on
the
first
question,
the
council
action
tonight
is
to
authorize
staff
to
negotiate
with
property
owners
to
acquire
the
property
by
gift
negotiation
or
the
use
of
eminent
domain.
Q
So
that's
that's
a
part
of
the
process
that
leads
to
those
homes.
There
is,
and
then
we've
talked
with
council
member
schumacher
you
make
earlier
today.
You
know
there
is
some
relocation
assistance,
but
it's
primarily
the
negotiation
or
the
use
of
eminent
domain
to
purchase
those
properties.
Then
they
would
be
cleared
in
order
for
that
site
to
be
properly
available
to
construct
the
fire
station.
F
I
just
wanted
to
add
on
there
was
notification
sent
out
to
the
property
owners
who
would
be
affected
by
this
acquisition,
telling
them
that
this
immediate?
This
item
was
on
our
agenda,
informing
them
of
that.
I
also
personally
went
out
and
tried
to
reach
out
to
who
I
could
get
contact
with
to
talk
about
that
to
figure
out.
You
know
if
they're
gonna
be
comfortable
with
that
and
discuss
a
little
bit
of
that
relocation
benefit
package
that
we
have.
F
I
was
given
a
lot
of
information
about
relocation,
assistance
how
it
works,
how
the
acquisition
process
works.
So
due
diligence
has
been
done
on
this
property
owners
have
been
notified,
and
this,
as
the
chief
said,
gives
us
our
kind
of
first
way
to
officially
reach
out
and
have
those
conversations
about
negotiations.
Relocation,
assistance
acquiring
the
properties,
so
those
conversations
will
be
happening
after
this
council
agenda.
D
Hello
council,
my
name
is
jason
zilk.
I
actually
live
on
the
block
that
the
new
fire
station
will
be
occurring
on.
I
would
like
to
thank
you
for
listening
to
some
of
the
neighbors
that
have
come.
I
also
appreciate
the
notice
that
went
out
to
the
neighbors,
and
I
see
a
few
of
them
are
here
and
I'm
very
happy
to
see
that
they
are
here,
including
ammar,
who
doesn't
speak
english,
as
his
primary
language
is
very
nervous
to
come
up
here
and
want
me
to
walk
up
there
with
him.
D
But
hopefully
I
don't
embarrass
you
by
saying
that,
but
again,
I'm
very
glad
to
see
you're.
Here,
I'm
going
to
be
very
straight
with
you,
I
own
two
of
the
lots
the
city
will
want
to
acquire.
D
If
you
accept
the
resolution
to
relocate
fire
station
4.,
I
spent
many.
I
spent
several
years
making
plans
on
how
to
unlock
the
overlooked
potential
of
the
space.
My
retirement
plans
were
focused
around
transforming
this
space
into
something
king
irving,
neighborhood
in
the
city
of
des
moines,
would
be
proud
of.
D
D
D
D
It
may
seem
a
little
high
if
you
are
just
looking
at
lots
on
a
map,
but
I
ask
if
this
was
your
yard
or
your
property?
How
much
would
it
take
to
make
you
happy
to
have
feet
taken
from
you
if
the
mayor's
home
and
lot
were
taken
for
eminent
domain,
500
000
would
not
be
adequate
for
just
his
home
alone.
D
D
D
I
D
H
Okay,
cheap,
I'm
still
really
confused
about
the
the
path,
so
is.
Is
that
going
to
be
basically
the
front
door
right
there?
Where
is
where?
Where
that
is,
or
are
you
going
out,
I
I
don't
understand
where
you're
going
to
exit
and
enter
the
the
arrows,
make
no
sense
to
me
if
you're
yeah,
I'm
confused,
I'm
sorry.
Q
I'm
using
I'm
using
the
map
that
showed
the
area
the
best,
but
remember,
there's
no
design
yet
so
the
red
block
is
where
the
station
is,
but
it
will
the
front.
Big
doors
will
open
to
clark,
and
so
you
will
always
pull
out
to
the
south
to
clark
and
if
you
want
to
go
north
you're
going
to
go
over
to
19th
street,
get
a
con
from
a
controlled
light.
If
you
want
to
go
south
you're
going
to
go
over
to
ml
king
controlled
light
and
turn.
H
Show
me
show
me
with
the
with
the
with
the
mouse,
please
yep,
so
I
can
just.
Q
Get
my
bearing
straight
up
north
into
town.
H
H
Q
Or,
conversely,
come
down
to
clark,
you
got
to
want
to
south
you're
going
to
go
downtown
yep.
H
U
Thank
you,
council.
My
name
is
lg
dupreehansen
former
vice
president
of
king
irving,
neighborhood
association.
First
and
foremost,
I
want
to
thank
injury
in
andrea.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry
for
following
up
on
my
emails
and
also
coming
out
to
my
house,
I
was
at
my
job
I
can
get
to
you
and
I
appreciate
if
we
can
follow
up
on
that
as
well.
U
U
U
This
is
a
different
map,
so
this
alley
is
proposed
to
go
through
my
lot
at
1520,
19th
street,
and
I'm
just
here
to
basically
get
basically
put
it
on
the
proposal
to
dead
end
the
alley
way,
because,
basically,
since
the
fire
station
is
going
in
the
only
way
to
enter
the
alley,
is
going
south
now
I've
seen
a
lot
on
19th
street
I've
seen
cars
speed
on
the
of
course.
They
use
that
as
a
thorough
thoroughfare.
So
the
speed
is
always
an
issue
on
19th
street
as
well
as
mlk
I've.
U
U
So
putting
the
entrance
or
exit
right
there
it'd
be
just
like
pulling
like
you
say:
you
know
no
one
pulls
out
of
their
driveway
or
willy-nilly.
They
have
to
watch
for
traffic
currently
on
19th
street.
So
you
know
no
one's
going
to
do
that,
but
making
an
alleyway
or
entrance
or
exit
they
might
not
be
from
the
neighborhood.
They
might
go
out
onto
19th
and
go
up
the
wrong
way.
U
We've
seen
it
constantly,
because
if
you're
going
to
be
traveling
south
up
to
19th,
if
that's
the
only
entrance
up
through
that
alleyway
going
forward,
basically
you're
probably
going
to
want
to
take
it
right
on
to
19th
street
and
continue
your
travels
south
instead
of
going
left
and
actually
going
the
correct
way
down
to
college.
So
that
is
a
concern
of
mine
and
also
I've.
Just
I've
seen
a
lot
of
just
a
lot
like,
I
said,
a
lot
of
speed
and
a
lot
of
everything
on
that
block.
U
Since
I've
been
there,
I've
been
there
roughly
since
2003
and
I'm
just
considering
I'm
hoping
you
consider
it
to
a
dead-end
alley
or
what
they
said.
Hammerhead
the
alley
three-point
turn
I'm
you
know
I
feel
for
everyone,
that's
going
to
be
losing
their
their
homes
are
the
two
people
that
are
getting
my
neighbors
that
are
going
to
lose
their
homes
to
this,
and
that's
my
consideration
to
the
the
council
tonight.
So
I
thank
you.
H
H
Q
Coming
coming
south
down,
the
middle
of
the
block
is
an
existing
alley
yeah,
and
so,
if
we
build
a
fire
station
here,
it
just
ends.
So
the
original
concept
was
extend
that
alley
over
to
19th
street,
so
you
could
still
come
out
or
in
the
mr
hansen's
concern
was
if
a
person's
not
familiar
they,
they
might
make
a
wrong
turn
here
or
just
in
general
that
19th
street
isn't
a
great
one
to
pull
out
onto,
and
that's
why
I
said
earlier,
but.
H
Q
Allows
the
city
staff
to
talk
with
mr
hanson
about.
Is
he
clearly
he
just
said
he
does
not
want
that
to
be
an
access
to
the
19th,
so
the
negotiation
becomes.
Should
it
be
a
dead
end
or
or
does
he
prefer
the
conversation?
Could
it
be
a
hammer
head
which
would
be
like
a
little
t-shape
in
order
to
allow
a
three-point
turn
whatever
those
whatever
that
disposition
is,
does
not
impact
the
fire
station
project
and
that's
why
you
have
city
staff
works
with
the
specific
property
owner
for
that
element
to
have
that
conversation.
H
Q
Between
that
that
block
has
10
residential
driveways
on
it,
I
believe
it's
five
on
each
side
from
the
alley.
No
from
19th
street.
Some
of
the
properties
are
also
accessible
over
the
alleyway,
but
the
concern
that
mr
hanson
just
described
was
he's
concerned.
If
you
create
a
new
opening
onto
19-
and
it
wasn't
done
right
or
if
a
person
was
confused,
it
would
be
dangerous
to
pull
on
the
19th
or
take
a
run.
T
W
W
I'm
not
happy
for
this
because
I'm
living
here
for
11
years
this
house,
I'm
moving
to
ankeny.
I
buy
another
19
and
leave
this
house
for
my
daughter
and
try
to
help
her
and
leave
me
make
it
for
her.
The
life
more
easy
she's
got
to
college
and
then
she's
walking
to
the
drake.
W
W
When
is
what
house
and
you
buy
it
close
to
the
drake
for
her,
for
you
guys
it's
easy
for
offer
money,
but
not
for
us,
never
come
and
talk
to
me
and
come
back
last
week
over
here
and
asking
about
all
these
projects,
the
city
had
and
receive
it.
The
first
note
the
first
meeting
supposed
to
have
it
that's
going
to
support
the
second
meeting
and
never
show
in
the
first
meeting,
because
nobody
give
me
to
me
information
about
this.
W
W
It's
good,
it's
good
to
help
the
people
for
fire
station
police
station
it's
good,
but
give
it
to
us
option
for
where's,
my
with
my
daughter
or
the
other
one
family,
because
it's
close
to
the
school
for
us,
everybody's
working
across
the
street
is
the
school
all
the
children
is
walking
across
the
street
or
go
to
school.
My
daughter
walking
how
many
streets,
like
five
forgot
to
college.
W
I'm
support
the
this
project
that
you
have
guys,
but
please
support
us
for
where's
move
everything
give
me
options.
No,
it's
only
like
uncommon
and
I'm
putting
over
there
and
pay
the
house
for
the
people
living
over
there.
But
you
you
guys
never
thinking
about
us.
W
W
W
W
What
can
the
house
and
by
one
room
whether
I
have
it
right
now,
the
one
house
for
three
rooms
parking
for
two
cars,
I'm
using
the
ali
for
for
take
it
out
to
my
house,
because
I'm
never
using
in
the
front.
I
don't
have
it
out
to
the
front,
I'm
just
in
the
alley.
F
F
F
So
I
I'm
really
sorry
that
I
wasn't
able
to
see
you
earlier
today
when
I
went
out.
I
I
really
did
want
to
talk
to
you
the
way
that
our
relocation
benefits
work
is
that
we
look
for.
We
look
at
the
market
and
we
look
at
what's
comparable
on
the
market,
so
it
wouldn't
just
be.
W
Few
things
yeah,
but
it's
not
that
that
the
better
neighborhood
or
a
better
area
is
the
problem.
Is
I'm
making
for
my
daughter
go
to
college.
F
I
don't
know,
can
we
do
we
incorporate
that
in
relocation
talking
about
location
like
that,
it's.
F
F
F
O
F
A
O
O
O
O
X
Hi
everybody
I
I
own
the
property
in
the
corner
on
the
on
the
martin
luther
king
and
the
clark
avenue
clark
street,
and
I
agree
about
what
jason
say
like
I
totally
agree
about
what
he'd
say
and
so
that's
my
opinion.
Thank
you
all
right.
A
So
we
need
to
have
real
estate,
get
together
with
these
folks
and
see
where
we
go
from.
There
chief
appreciate
your
presentation,
council,
any
other.
F
Yes,
so
I
thank
you
so
much.
I
asked
the
chief
to
come
out
and
explain
this,
because
I
had
so
many
conversations
about
this
project
about
the
acquisition
process
about
what
the
relocation
benefits
would
be
for
people
I
had
so
many
conversations
about
the
location
and
and
why
we're
choosing
this
location
that
necessitated
us
to
acquire
two
occupied
households.
F
I
had
conversations
with
the
chief
today
two
conversations
with
the
chief
today
to
ask
some
of
these
questions,
and
so
I
asked
him
to
come
out
and
kind
of
explain
what
he
explained
to
me,
because
I
don't
know
that
people
had
a
full
understanding
of
the
entire
process
and
how
we
got
here.
I
don't
think
that
everything
was
communicated
and
received
in
that
in
that
sort
of
way,
and
so
we
looked
at
that
broad
lawns
location
specifically
over
the
the
lincoln
locations
because
they
had
so
many
property
acquisitions.
F
F
I
didn't
want
to
create
a
situation
where
there
was
a
disparity
in
service
further
south,
stressing
fire
station
1
either
of
those
outcomes
and
when
this
process
started,
the
team
who
was
looking
at
relocating
the
fire
station
took
that
center
point
looked
at
a
bunch
of
different
properties
decided
whether
or
not
they
were
viable
and
came
up
with
those
four,
and
so
we
really
only
had
the
one
option.
F
F
F
I
also
learned
that
this
is
a
process
that
comes
down
to
us
from
the
state
and
isn't
really
something
that
we
can
adjust,
or
you
know,
change
in
any
kind
of
way,
because
that
that
authority
has
been
put
in
the
hands
of
the
state.
F
Therefore,
we
can
either
do
the
voluntary
process
where
there
would
be
no
relocation
benefits
and
be
a
much
much
longer
process
and
much
more
stressful,
or
we
can
do
this
process
where
we
are
able
to
offer
very
generous
packages
of
relocation
benefits
for
people,
the
the
lots
that
don't
have
houses
on
them,
it
would
be
fair
market
rate.
Is
that
correct
is,
is
that
we
would
be
acquiring
it
fair
market
rate?
F
Yes,
so
everything
should
be
as
as
fair
as
possible.
My
email
and
my
and
my
phone
are
open
for
anybody
who
is
affected
by
this
to
talk
to
me
during
this
process,
if
you
don't
feel
like
you're
being
treated
fairly,
but
I
looking
at
this
process
in
so
much
depth.
I
think
that
this
is
our
only
option
to
make
sure
that
we
have
fire.
F
We
have
fire
service
in
the
places
that
we
need
it
at
the
service
level
that
we
need
it
and
with
the
least
amount
of
impact
on
on
property
owners
in
the
city,
and
I
regret
that
it
has
impact
at
all
on
anybody.
But
again,
I'm
willing
to
talk
with
you.
After
about
what
those
relocation
benefits
are
I'm
not
going
to
be
the
most
informed.
Obviously,
real
estate
would
be
the
most
informed,
but
we
can
also
set
up
those
meetings.
A
All
right
the
process
has
started
and
look
forward
to
all
those
interested
parties.
A
The
council
member
has
offered
to
to
meet
with
you
and
plus
meet
with
real
estate
and
see
if
we
can't
move
this
thing
forward.
H
Move
item
56
and
pursue
it
to
rule
42
a
I
wave,
the
second
and
third
reading.
C
A
E
A
A
A
It's
re
view
of
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment
decision,
granting
a
variance
from
separation
requirements
to
allow
sales
of
alcohol,
liquor,
wine
and
or
beer
by
a
restaurant
and
use
an
rx1
mixed
use.
District
for
property
at
1828,
hubble
avenue,
which
is
owned
by
javier,
doesn't
you
are,
we
are
instructed
to
either
choose
alternative
a
b
or
c
council
communication
number
22-356
a
is
the
city
council
remands
the
decision
and
order
to
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment
for
further
study.
A
The
effective
date
of
the
board's
decision
will
be
deferred
for
30
days
from
the
date
of
this
remand
b,
the
city
council
takes
no
action
to
review
the
decision
and
order
and
the
decision
of
the
board
will
become
final.
On
september,
1st
of
2022
c
city
council
declines
to
remand
the
decision
of
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment.
The
decision
of
the
board
becomes
final
on
this
date.
A
G
A
Item
sixties
review
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment
decision,
granting
a
variance
from
separation
requirement
to
allow
sales
of
alcoholic
liquor,
wine
and
or
beer
by
restaurant
use
in
rx1
mixed-use
district
for
property
at
1951,
indianola
avenue
owned
by
ue
lynn,
choose
alternative
a
b
or
c
council
communication
number
22-355,
a
the
city
council
remands.
The
decision
in
the
order
to
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment
for
further
study.
The
effective
date
of
the
board's
decision
will
be
deferred
for
30
days.
A
From
the
date
of
this
remand
b,
the
city
council
takes
no
action
to
review
the
decision.
The
order
and
the
decision
of
the
board
will
become
final
on
september,
1
of
2022
for
c
city
council
declines
to
remand
the
decision
to
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment.
The
decision
of
the
board
becomes
final
on
this
date.
Council.
A
A
For
those
wishing
to
speak
this
evening
under
the
public
speaking
item
of
the
agenda,
we
will
only
be
calling
on
those
who
have
registered
to
speak.
All
speakers
must
comply
with
the
rules
regarding
their
names
and
addresses,
or
they
will
not
be
recognized
to
speak.
Each
of
the
six
speakers
this
evening
will
receive
up
to
two
minutes
each
to
make
your
comment.
A
Please
keep
your
own
time,
because
the
end
of
two
minutes
clerk
will
announce
time
and
the
speaker's
mic
will
be
closed
and
we
will
move
immediately
to
the
next
speaker.
We
want
to
hear
from
our
residents
and
we
encourage
residents
to
be
respectful
of
others
viewpoints
that
may
be
different
from
their
own,
but
you
may
certainly
disagree
with
that
viewpoint
and
remind
everyone
that
the
council's
rules
provide
that
any
comment
that
are
slanderous
will
result
in
a
speaker
being
barred
from
further
comment.
A
I
want
to
clarify
for
the
record
that
we've
had
some
discussion
in
the
past
about
conflicts
of
interest
based
on
campaign
contributions,
so
we
asked
our
legal
department
for
a
legal
opinion
on
the
issue.
A
Z
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
jocelyn
hernandez.
Our
office
is
located
on
4725
rural
hay,
road,
I'm
the
senior
program
manager
for
the
refugee
and
immigrant
vaccine
alliance,
I'm
here
to
uplift
the
voices
and
needs
of
immigrants,
refugees
and
underserved
communities.
In
the
des
moines
area.
Our
members
represent
18
organizations
that
have
been,
and
continue
to
be,
a
centralized
location
for
underserved
communities
to
receive
information,
resources,
assistance
and
support
about
covet
19,
even
though
most
of
them
do
not
get
funded
to
do
so.
Z
Z
We
continue
to
hear
about
individuals
not
returning
to
get
their
second
dose
or
booster,
because
they
didn't
have
the
assistance
in
their
native
language
to
make
those
follow-up
appointments
or
because
they
didn't
feel
comfortable
returning
to
a
clinic
where
their
culture
was
not
represented.
We
are
facing
unique
challenges
to
overcome
the
effects
and
consequences
of
this
pandemic.
Our
members
are
often
providing
case
management
and
support
to
those
who
have
lost
housing,
employment
and
family
members
again,
even
though
they
are
not
funded
to
do
so.
Z
Ethnic
community-based
organizations
are
crucial
for
the
long-term
success
of
families
in
des
moines.
They
are
trusted
in
our
communities
and
play
a
key
role
in
ending
this
pandemic.
If
I
urge
you
to
allocate
arpa
funds
in
an
equitable
manner
and
help
us
bring
needed
support
to
our
communities,
so
they
are
able
to
have
the
same
chances
as
other
members
in
our
community.
Do
you
do
to
succeed
and
live
a
fulfilling
life?
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
V
Hello,
my
name
is
adam
callanan.
I
use
him
pronouns
and
I
live
in
ward
3..
I
want
to
talk
about
a
few
matters
that
did
not
make
the
agenda
tonight.
First
off.
I
wanted
to
talk
about
the
need
for
virtual
meetings.
As
myself
and
others
have
reiterated
in
the
past,
we
need
virtual
meetings.
V
V
Would
open
meetings
would
open
those
meetings
to
everybody
for
participation
and
everybody
deserves
to
have
a
spot
and
a
voice
in
their
city
government,
regardless
of
anything
else
going
on,
there's
also
been
no
public
update
on
the
virtual
meetings,
at
least
that
I'm
aware
of
since
around
february
I
was
led
to
believe
that
some
of
the
council
had
been
working
on
and
looking
into
back
in
february
and
we're
many
months
past
that
now,
without
any
significant
update.
I
also
wanted
to
talk
about
monkey.
V
Pox,
there's
not
really
been
an
much
update
from
the
city,
I'm
nothing
on
the
agenda
about
monkey
pox
in
iowa.
There
have
been
about
12
cases
in
iowa
or
at
least
12
cases,
according
numbers
I
could
find.
Fortunately,
there
are
vaccines
available.
If
you
go
to
immunize
polk.com
I-m-m-u-n-I-z-e-p-o-l-k-com.
V
You
can
see
if
vaccines
are
available
near
you,
I'm
not
sure
what
the
eligibility
is
but
wanted
to
lift
that
up,
and
let
folks
know
that
we
should
still
be
masking.
If
we
can
it's
an
easy
way
to
still
help
combat
this
ongoing
pandemics
that
we
can
continue
trying
to
be
as
equitable
as
we
can
and
further
on
covid.
V
It
is
still
ripping
through
iowa
and
most
of
the
world
and
there's
been
no
significant
covet
update
other
than
the
arpa
funds,
and
a
lot
of
the
arpa
funds
are
going
to
things
that
aren't
at
least
directly
related
to
cofed
we're
spending
millions
on
things
like
parking
and
the
berlin
marina
indirectly,
when
we
could
be
doing
things
to
better,
invest
in
mitigation
such
as
better
air,
filtration
for
city
buildings
and,
as
mentioned
earlier
virtual
meetings.
Y
Good
evening
my
name
is
jean
o'donnell
and
I
live
in
ward
3..
I
am
a
member
of
the
cci
racial
justice
team.
I
would
like
to
preface
my
statement
with
my
appreciation
for
all
of
your
individual
commitments
to
making
des
moines
a
good
place
to
live,
and
I
also
would
like
to
express
my
appreciation
for
our
police
officers,
whose
jobs
can
be
difficult
and
dangerous.
Y
Y
All
of
us
that
benefit
from
the
current
way
we
do
policing
have
some
responsibility
for
the
harm
caused
and
for
figuring
out
different
ways
of
making
our
community
safe.
So
don't
put
it
all
on
our
police
officers.
This
work
is
based
on
building
relationships,
but
we
are
being
manipulated
by
a
larger
societal
narrative.
That
says
we
must
fight
each
other
for
meager
resources,
let's
stop
listening
to
that
and
instead
truly
listen
to
each
other.
That
is
what
we
are
asking.
Thank
you.
AA
AA
But
what
you
don't
know
what
motivates
me
and
keeps
me
coming
before
and
fighting
for
much
needed
change
here
in
des
moines
in
92
my
brother,
who
was
only
29
years
old,
served
in
the
gulf
war
and
was
murdered
by
a
white
supremacist,
the
man
that
murdered
him.
He
only
did
two
days
in
jail,
never
did
go
to
prison.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
O
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Mr
mayor
council
members,
my
name
is
troy
trevino
I
live
at
1502
fraser
avenue
des
moines.
Am
the
only
remaining
power
engineer.
Exam
board.
Member
boilers
are
generally
categorized
as
hot
water,
steam,
low
pressure
and
high
pressure.
Let's
talk
about
simple
domestic
household
tangles
water
heaters,
the
kind
you
find
in
thousands
of
homes
across
america.
S
S
S
S
S
I
feel
that
brian
bishop,
the
deputy
city
council
city
official
and
his
staff
was
on
to
something
following
one
of
the
minnesota's
larger
city
blueprints
for
a
similar
program,
utilizing
local
community
college
systems
for
proctoring
tests.
This
may
not
be
the
best
answer,
but
one
thing
is
for
sure
and
cannot
be
disputed.
S
A
Any
opposition
hearing
none,
we
are
receiving
and
filing
all
the
information
from
our
speakers.
Could
we
get
a
motion
to
adjourn,
been
moved
in
second
and
all
in
favor,
say
aye.