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From YouTube: 6-27-22 City Council work session
Description
Des Moines City Council morning work session on Monday, June 27, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
D
Jump
right
in
good
morning,
members
of
council
and
alex
mayor,
my
name
is
john
davis
city
traffic
engineer
and
this
morning
we're
going
to
discuss
with
you
the
vision,
zero
traffic
safety
plan,
effort
that
we
are
undertaking
today
with
us.
We
have
our
consultant
team,
sarah,
abel
from
tool,
design
group
and
then
chris
spy,
shears
shires
from
confluence
and
at
this
time
I'll
bring
up
sarah
and
she
will
be
facilitating
the
discussion.
E
So
really,
most
of
this
time
this
morning
will
be
to
hear
from
you
challenges,
ideas
that
the
council
has
that
you've
heard
from
your
constituents
with
regards
to
improving
transportation
safety
across
des
moines.
So
we're
excited
that
the
city
is
undertaking
this
vision,
zero
transportation
safety
plan
and
are
happy
to
be
a
part
of
it,
as
we've
done
vision,
zero
plans
all
over
the
country
in
various
size
cities.
So
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
working
with
you
all.
E
So
the
goal
of
the
listening
session
today,
as
I
mentioned,
is
to
listen
to
challenges
and
ideas
about
improving
transportation
safety
across
des
moines.
We
are
very
much
so
in
the
listening
and
gathering
phase
of
this
project
to
make
sure
that
we
get
a
plan
that
is
right
for
the
des
moines
community,
we're
going
to
be
meeting
with
the
city
council,
the
transportation
safety
committee
city
staff
in
the
community
today
in
a
robust
day
of
community
engagement.
E
So
what
is
vision,
zero
vision,
zero
is
pretty
simple:
it's
a
goal
of
zero
traffic
deaths
and
serious
injuries
on
our
streets
and
setting
a
goal
target
year
to
achieve
those
zero
traffic
deaths.
The
safe
system
approach
is
how
we
get
there.
Those
are
the
methodologies
and
the
ways
in
which
we
go
about
getting
there
shared
responsibility
at
all
levels.
This
includes
safety,
culture
which
we'll
talk
about
a
little
bit
later
and
then
some
elements
and
principles
of
the
safe
system
approach
which
I'll
talk
about
in
a
minute.
E
So
everyone
involved
in
transportation
decisions
from
you
all
on
a
city
council
to
maintenance
and
operations,
staff
that
are
repaving
streets
or
even
miss
utilities.
Companies
that
are
digging
up
the
right-of-way
have
a
shared
responsibility
to
ensure
the
street
system
does
not
have
a
serious
or
fatal
outcome.
This
is
from
the
international
vision,
zero
challenge.
E
So
what
is
the
safe
system
approach?
This
has
worked
effectively
in
other
countries,
including
sweden
and
the
netherlands,
which
you
may
have
heard
about
in
your
research,
as
you
all
undertake
vision,
zero
here,
but
it's
really
a
systemic
shift
from
what
you're
doing
now
to
what
you
can
be
doing
to
prioritizing
safety
in
every
decision
that
you
make
with
the
safety
is
the
top
priority.
E
E
Humans
do
make
mistakes,
but
those
mistakes
should
not
result
in
a
fatal
crash,
so
we
need
to
design
a
system
based
on
human
vulnerability,
with
a
risk
to
fatality
based
on
crash,
and
we
need
to
design
for
those
most
vulnerable
road
users
and
a
vulnerable
road
user
is
those
that
are
outside
of
a
car
not
protected
by
a
metal
box.
It's
shared
responsibility
which
I
talked
about
earlier
and
that
safety
is
proactive.
E
We
shouldn't
just
be
doing
hot
spot
analysis
where
the
crashes
are
occurring,
but
we
should
be
looking
at
similar
contexts
where
the
crashes
could
be
occurring
and
making
those
system-wide
changes
to
improve
safety
on
streets
in
des
moines
and
then
redundancy
is
critical,
as
I
mentioned.
If
a
mistake
does
occur,
our
roadways
should
be
designed
so
that
if
someone
veers
off
the
road
they're
not
going
to
hit
a
pedestrian
or
cyclist,
so
that
redundancy
is
important
signal
timing
turn
hardening.
That
layering
is
important.
E
E
I
don't
know
if
you
all
have
seen
triple
a
about
a
decade
ago,
did
a
study
of
the
risk
of
pedestrian
fatality
based
on
speeds,
and
we
know
that
there
are
certain
speeds
at
which
a
vulnerable
road
user,
such
as
pedestrian,
is
at
risk
for
serious
and
fatal
injury.
So
we
should
be
designing
speeds
and
impact
forces.
E
E
So
another
element
of
this
is
creating
a
positive
safety
culture
across
des
moines
at
all
levels,
and
it
really
is
an
internal
shift
by
the
city
government
to
make
sure
that
safety
is
the
top
priority
in
every
decision
that
you're
making
regarding
transportation
and
then
impacting
those
external
behaviors
that
we
may
not
always
be
able
to
design
for
on
our
roadways
that
we
need
to
change
the
behavior.
So
examples
of
this
are
seat
belts,
wearing
campaigns
that
have
been
occurring
since
the
1970s
we've
seen
that
seat
belt
use
has
gone
up
since
those
campaigns
nationally.
E
So
that's
a
good
example
of
traffic
safety
culture
eliminating
distracted
driving.
We
know
that
everybody
has
smartphones.
Most
people
have
smartphones
this
day
and
age,
and
it's
become
a
very
common
problem
on
our
roadways
of
distracted
driving,
obeying
speed
limits.
Impaired
driving
are
good
examples
of.
We
cannot
always
design
the
roadway
to
prevent
those
behaviors
from
occurring.
E
Speeding
is
one
that
we
can
do
both,
but
awareness
campaigns
to
change
those
behaviors
on
our
roadways
are
critical
to
vision,
zero
in
communities.
So
I'm
going
to
play
a
short
video
for
you
that
explains
safety
culture
better
than
I
can
and
is
more
entertaining
than
I
am
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
play
that
for.
F
F
F
F
This
might
look
like
everyone
wearing
a
seat
belt.
Drivers
fully
engaged
in
the
driving
task
and
people
obeying
speed
limits
and
taking
extra
care
around
pedestrians
and
bicyclists
getting
to
zero
will
require
more
than
just
focusing
on
drivers.
It
could
include
families
talking
about
traffic
safety
and
creating
family
rules.
F
F
Professionals
from
local
state,
tribal
and
federal
traffic
safety
agencies
can
take
the
lead
to
promote
growing,
a
positive
traffic
safety
culture.
These
leaders
can
help
communities
form
and
sustain
effective
coalitions
and
partnerships
to
support
the
goal
of
zero
fatalities
and
serious
injuries
on
our
roads.
F
E
E
Me
one
second,
I'm
gonna
click
this
manually,
so
it
doesn't
play
again.
There
we
go,
so
that
is
a
good
overview
of
the
landscape
of
transportation,
safety
and
vision,
zero
internationally
and
across
the
united
states.
And
now
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
what's
been
happening
in
des
moines
as
we
start
this
project
for
you
all,
so
you
all
have
been
tracking
transportation
safety
under
your
complete
streets
data
dashboard.
For
a
few
years
now,
and
based
on
the
2021
draft
data,
that's
been
developed
by
city
staff.
E
Much
larger
dashboard
on
transportation
safety
under
the
complete
streets
program,
but
we
wanted
to
focus
in
on
the
fatal
and
serious
injuries
with
our
initial
work
here
and
so
wanted
to
present
a
snapshot
of
data
to
to
you
of
those
fatal
and
serious
injuries.
By
mode
we
will
be
doing
more
complex
safety
analyses
as
we
get
deeper
into
this
project.
E
It
will
include
what
is
called
high
injury
network
mapping
so
we'll
map
the
locations
of
these
crashes
look
at
crash
causation,
look
at
the
roadway
context
and
and
apply
that
to
similar
conditions
across
your
roadway
network
across
the
city
of
des
moines,
regardless
of
who
owns
the
right-of-way,
we
typically
do
high
injury
network
mapping
on
all
roadways
within
a
city
and
not
just
those
that
are
locally
owned.
We
want
to
understand
the
full
picture
of
the
problems
and
we're
right-of-ways
owned
by
two
different
entities:
connect
oftentimes.
E
We
do
see
a
lot
of
crashes
where
a
state
dot
connects
to
a
local
road,
so
we'll
be
doing
full
analysis,
both
proactive
and
high
injury
network
mapping.
But
this
is
what
you
looked.
What
fatalities
and
serious
injuries
looked
like
in
des
moines?
Last
year,
so
we
do
have
important
work
to
do
here.
I
apologize.
The
bottom
band
is
cutting
this
off
slightly,
but
vehicle
fatal
and
serious
injury
crashes
were
highest
in
des
moines
and
then
a
serious
injury
or
serious
injuries.
The
second
highest
category
was
motorcycles.
E
E
So
what
were
the
leading
causes
of
most
of
all
crashes
in
the
city
of
des
moines,
so
the
previous
slide
was
fatal
and
serious
injury.
This
is
an
analysis
of
all
major
crashes.
What
were
those
leading
causes?
So,
following
too
close,
was
your
top
indication
by
police
for
all
crashes
in
the
city
of
des
moines,
followed
by
operating
vehicle
in
reckless
manner,
followed
by
ran
traffic
signal,
so
red
light
running,
followed
by
loss
control,
followed
by
failure
to
yield
when
making
a
left
turn.
E
A
E
G
E
The
the
lost
control
in
the
operating
vehicle
in
a
reckless
manner
could
be
speed,
and
I
will
say
that
probably
this
analysis
included
multiple
check
marks,
based
on
probably
your
minimum
crash
reporting
form,
but
I
have
not
taken
a
look
at
the
minimum
crash
reporting
form,
yet
that's
required
in
iowa
for
the
police
to
complete
okay.
So
next
steps
more
broadly,
as
I
mentioned
at
this
point,
we
are
in
the
listening
and
learning
and
getting
to
know
the
des
moines
transportation
safety
phase,
so
we'll
be
doing
additional
community
workshops
in
mid-september.
E
You'll
be
hearing
from
us
shortly
on
those
we'll
be
doing
community
pop-up
events
to
both
promote
those
workshops,
as
well
as
gather
more
input
from
the
community,
we'll
be
doing
a
community
survey
here
in
the
next
couple
of
months.
We're
standing
up
a
vision,
zero
transportation
safety
working
group
that
will
guide
our
work
on
the
development
of
this
plan
and
will
hopefully
also
remain
a
body
within
within
the
city
to
ensure
implementation
of
the
plan
and
we'll
be
conducting
staff
interviews,
including
a
lunch
with
some
staff.
E
Today
and
recently,
the
staff
up
launched
a
vision,
zero
webpage
on
the
city's
website,
so
that
will
be
where
we
will
communicate
to
the
public
and
keep
presentations
and
draft
plans
and
initial
goals
and
actions
available
for
the
public.
That's
where
we'll
promote
those
community
workshops,
we'll
distribute
the
community
survey
and
really
that'll
be
your
page
for
transportation
safety
in
des
moines.
E
I
should
mention
the
next
step
after
this
is
really
to
draft
those
initial
goals
and
actions
before
we
write
the
entirety
of
the
plan,
we'll
be
which
will
be
a.
How
did
we
get
to
these
goals
and
actions
as
well
as
what
do
you
do?
Next,
with
performance
measures,
counter
measure
tool
kits
stuff
like
that?
E
E
So
our
thought
is
that
we
will
take
about
10
minutes
per
per
bullet
to
have
a
discussion.
We
appreciate
the
council.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
setting
aside
this
entirety
of
the
work
session
for
vision,
zero
appreciate
the
time
you're
you're
spending
on
this
to
start
and
looking
forward
to
the
discussion,
so
I'll
help
facilitate,
but
we
really
want
to
hear
from
you
if
we
veer
from
these
four
questions.
I
would
like
to
get
through
these
four
questions,
but
if
we
have
other
discussions,
that
is
great
as
well.
A
I
mean
I
I'll
start
with
the
question
number
one
and
I
think
I
said
it
before
would
be
speed.
I
mean
that's
the
number
one
challenges
concern
safety
issues
that
we
hear
from
residents
each
and
every
time
that
we
get
emails.
You
know
people
are
racing
up
and
down
the
street.
You
know,
that's
that's
what
I
hear
the
most
you
know,
part
of
part
of
my
ward
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
sidewalks.
E
C
C
You
know,
we've
got
highways
that
are
going
right
through
our
city.
We
know
that
people
are
speeding
up
and
down.
We
just
had
a
fatality
there.
I
think
we
should
be
focusing
on
that.
I
know
we're
doing
some
traffic
coming
in
a
certain
area.
My
ward
and
I
you
know
social
media
is
blowing
up
because
people
don't
want
us
to
take
away
their
four
lanes,
but
we've
got
to.
I
just
think
for
the
safety
of
our
residents.
We
have
to
do
that.
C
We
should
be
focusing
on
school
zones,
expanding
those
school
zones
and
thank
you,
steve.
I
know
tonight
there's
a
a
pretty
good
piece
about
about
doing
that
and
we
appreciate
that.
But
we
have
a
lot
of
private
schools
in
our
city.
We
should
be
focusing
on
all
schools
in
our
city,
not
just
the
public
schools.
C
G
Linda
touched
on
a
challenging
topic
and
that's
our
our
federal
and
state
highways
that
roll
through
our
city
and
if
there
are
changes
that
we
want
to
make
and,
let's
just
say,
adding
a
hawk
light
to
get
those
the
layers
of
approvals
to
to
do
so
is
challenging.
If
you
can
help
us
with
what
other
cities
have
done
to
to
cut
some
of
the
time
to
make
changes
to
make
our
streets
safer.
I
think
we'll
all
be
appreciative
of
those
tactics.
G
Also,
you
you've,
you've,
probably
learned
talking
with
others,
that
we
have
a
pretty
extensive
trail
network.
Our
on-street
bike,
accommodations
are
pretty
choppy
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
continuous
corridors
for
biking
to
jobs
and
and
shopping
areas,
and
to
libraries
and
such
so
so
we
would
appreciate
help
and
strategy
on
that.
G
I
I
don't
know
if
connie
bozen
is
on
the
on
the
call
or
not,
but
as
an
as
an
at
large
council
member,
the
the
speed
is
always
the
the
biggest
issue
that
we
hear
from
the
residents.
So
I
I
I
personally
will
be
interested
in
how
what
you've
learned
working
with
other
cities
and
how
to
market
these
changes,
because
this
will
be
a
sea
change
like.
G
B
So
I
mean
I'll
agree
with
a
lot
of
what
is
what
has
been
said.
You
know
one
of
the
things
we've
we've
started
a
traffic
calming
program
for
residential
streets
and
I
get
a
ton
of
requests
for
for
that
program.
Where
folks
have
concern
that
again,
that's
the
the
speeding,
I
think,
that's
at
least
a
piece
of
what
everyone
has
mentioned
is
the
speeding
happens
everywhere,
but
we
get
a
lot
of
requests
on
the
the
residential
streets
and
I
think
carl
was
maybe
alluding
to
a
solution
there.
B
B
B
B
It's
a
block
away
from
a
pretty
major
sort
of
retail
area.
With
with
ingersoll
I
mean
grand
avenue,
doesn't
have
that
that
retail
piece,
but
it's
sort
of
the
street,
that's
in
between
a
lot
of
the
a
chunk
of
the
residential
in
that
retail
and-
and
I
think
the
connectivity
between
the
two
is-
is
an
issue
in
the
ability
for
folks
to
feel
safe
crossing.
B
I
I
think
that
comes
up
with
some
some
regularity
and
I
think
that's
a
common
denominator
on
on
other
corridors,
so
another
corridor
that
I
get
a
lot
of
issues
about
southwest
9th,
particularly
southwest
9th
right
out
of
right
out
of
downtown,
partly
because
of
some
of
the
uses
there.
We've
just
made
major
improvements
to
mcrae
park
and
a
piece
of
the
feedback
that
I
got
from.
Neighbors
is
well
you've
made
these
major
improvements,
but
we
can't
really
walk
there
right.
B
We
can't
we
can't
get
there
because,
because
the
the
corridor,
that's
a
separation
between
the
two
really
feels
like
a
barrier,
and
then
you
go
just
a
little
farther
south
and
you're
at
lincoln
high
school
in
park
park.
Elementary,
I
mean
you've
got
schools
right
on
that
corridor
as
well,
and
major
safety
concerns.
So
that's
sort
of
illustrative
of
some
of
the
corridor
issues,
but
that
particular
area
has
been.
B
G
G
Well
so
so
there
are
cities
that
have
many
more
speed
cameras
than
we
do,
and
I
know
that
chicago
recently.
Well,
let's
see
in
des
moines
we
we
don't
issue
tickets
until
they're
11
miles
over
the
speed
limit
so
effectively
you
can
go
36
miles
an
hour
or
you
can
go
35
miles
an
hour
in
25
zone
without
being
ticketed.
So
yet
other
cities
have
figured
out
a
way
to
issue
those
tickets
for
starting
at
six
miles
over
the
speed
limit.
So
joe
joe's
gonna,
no.
G
Well,
well,
I
would
be
interested
in
learning
what
strategies
have
worked
in
other
cities,
and
so
in
some
cities
like
I've
noticed
that
instead
of
the
speeding
tickets
going
to
the
or
the
speeding
ticket
revenue
going
to
the
city,
it
goes
for
like
a
neighborhood
park
or
other
improvements
that
the
city
does.
So.
I
would
be
be
interested
in
learning
strategies
that
do
work
elsewhere.
E
Yeah,
automated
traffic
safety
cameras
are
a
hot
button
issue
in
many
communities
and
if
I
could
just
give
a
little
bit
of
context,
I
want
to
try
not
to
respond
to
every
one
of
your
ideas
or
challenges,
because
I'm
here
to
listen,
I
want
to
get
as
much
out
of
you
all
today,
but
I
will
highlight
that
a
an
action
of
your
action
plan
could
be
to
work
with
the
state
legislator
on
x
y
z.
So,
and
hopefully,
everyone
is
brought
into
the
fold
of
this
effort.
E
I
know
that
we've
been
talking
about
iowa
dot
being
on
the
working
group
having
insurance
companies,
since
you
have
so
many
insurance
companies
here
in
des
moines,
which
is
really
unique,
it'll
actually
be
the
first
chance
I'll
be
working
directly
with
insurance
companies
on
vision,
zero,
so
really
bringing
everybody
into
this
austin
texas,
their
vision,
zero
effort
included
a
action
of
advocating
for
speed
safety
cameras
at
the
state
legislature
in
texas.
They
were
not
allowed,
so
you
could
have
an
action
like
that.
B
And
all
that
I
mean
I,
I
agree
with
carl
that
that
I
think
we
should
be
looking
at
those
best
practices,
and
you
know
we
do
have
a
challenging
legislative
environment
for
that.
So
I
think
you
know
ultimately
that's
one
of
the
things
that
the
seven
of
us
will
have
to
decide
how
we
fit
that
in.
But
I
want
the
information
to
make
a
good
decision
in
terms
of
what
does
the
best
practice
look
like.
B
What
would
the
data
support
and-
and
those
are
the
type
of
things
that
would
allow
us
to
make
a
case,
even
if
we
might
not
be
able
to
get
the
state
law
changed.
Having
some
of
that
foundational
information
and
approach,
I
think,
is
really
critical.
I
you
know
folks
might
not
listen,
but,
but
I
think
part
of
our
job
is
to
make
the
case
for
what
we
can
do
to
make
things
as
safe
as
possible
and
how
we
can
best
use
tools
that
we
know
work
elsewhere.
A
E
Yeah
I
mean
at
times
I'll
use
the
example
of
carmel
indiana,
while
they
don't
have
a
vision,
zero,
dedicated
vision,
zero
program,
the
mayor
and
council
has
been
very
dedicated
to
systemic
implementation
of
roundabouts
in
that
community
and
they
have
very
heavily
focused
on
the
insurance
premium
costs
and
measuring
that.
I
don't
think
we
measure
the
economic
impacts
of
transportation
safety
enough
in
the
work
that
we
do.
E
Ohio
also
has
a
lot
of
insurance
companies
and
they
have
partnered
for
some
public
awareness
campaigns,
but
not
necessarily
what
I
would
call
the
economic
impact
of
transportation
safety.
You
saw
in
the
video
that
there
are
economic
studies
on
the
cost
of
crashes
right.
The
goal
of
insurance
companies
are
to
not
pay
out
right,
so
yeah.
E
I
think
it's
a
unique
thing
to
explore
in
the
city
of
des
moines,
given
some
of
the
businesses
that
you
have
here,
but
I
would
point
you
to
carmel
indiana
as
a
good
example
where
they've
done
roundabouts
at
high
injury
intersections,
they
rolled
it
out
right.
If
you
have
one
roundabout,
people
may
be
confused
on
how
to
operate
within
that
roundabout.
But
if
you
have
10
the
behavior
changes
a
lot
of
the
traffic
calming
and
countermeasures
and
roadway
designs.
E
I
actually
think
that
systemically
putting
them
in
at
multiple
locations
versus
one
to
start
is
how
you
change
behavior
more
permanently
and
a
roundabout
and
the
roundabouts
in
carmel
indiana
are
a
good
example
of
that
they
didn't
just
do
one.
They
did
them
across
the
entire
road
network
where
they
were
needed
and
people
know
how
to
operate
within
roundabouts.
G
B
B
B
B
At
the
same
time,
you're
you're,
slowing
things
down
and
and
getting
rid
of
those
left-hand
turn
dangers
getting
rid
of
the
the
potential
for
intersection
crashes.
So
I'm
very
curious
about
about
that
and
thinking
about
where
that
would
fit
and
where
you
could
try
sort
of
a
series
of
roundabouts
at
once,.
E
E
Yeah
and
this
project
will
explore
counter
measures
that
you
can
have
in
your
toolbox
and
it'll
be
interesting
in
this
listening
phase
will
be.
We
will
be
looking
at
what
we're
hearing
from
you
all
in
the
community
as
like
high
injury,
where
you
feel
unsafe
along
corridors
and
it'll,
be
interesting,
we'll
be
mapping
that
over
the
crashes
and
then
the
similar
conditions
so
it'll
be
interesting
to
see
at
this
juncture.
E
What
that
looks
like
and
then
we'll
also
be
providing
a
counter-measured
tool
box
of
the
things
that
could
work
in
des
moines,
but
just
know
that
this
takes
time.
I
would
encourage
you
to
look
at
those
opportunities
for
systemic
changes
versus
baby,
stepping
towards
the
answer
of
safety
as
you're
as
you're
developing
this
plan
and
then
starting
to
implement
it.
After
this,
this
plan
is
written,
I'm
going
to
shift
gears
because
I
want
to
make
sure
we
have
time
again
for
all
four
questions,
but
the
conversation
can
wander
before.
E
I
E
Okay,
hearing
none
I'll
jump
to
the
next
question,
but
feel
free
to
jump
in.
At
any
point,
I
don't
want
to
forget
about
those
that
are
on
the
phone,
especially
not
the
mayor.
So
what
do
you
think
would
be
a
reasonable
goal
year
to
achieve
zero
traffic
deaths
in
des
moines?
This
is
a
tricky
question.
I
will
preface
this
by
saying
that
most
vision,
zero
cities
that
started
early
on,
I
think,
were
too
aggressive
with
their
goal
years
and
they
couldn't
achieve
it,
which
is
why
vision.
E
E
A
E
They
have
done
a
lot
systemically
and
wholly
not
baby,
stepping
towards
it,
but
they've
made
whole
system
changes
and
they've
had
two
years
of
no
traffic
deaths.
Another
example
that
I'll
use
is
actually
hoboken.
New
jersey
has
now
had
four
years
of
zero
traffic
deaths
in
a
row
again
because
they
made
pretty
big
changes
to
the
way
in
which
they
were
dr.
They
were
designing
roads
and
they
didn't
turn
back.
They
really
tried
to
change
their
policies
and
their
practices
and
their
guidance
and
then
start
to
implement
those
on
the
roads.
A
C
My
my
thoughts
on
it
is
our
goal
should
starting
right
now.
Our
goal
should
be
no
traffic
deaths,
but
I
look
at
this
just
like
our
plans
and
we
have
a
whole
lot
of
plans
out
there.
Neighborhood
plans,
traffic
plans,
all
these
plants,
and
I
always
tell
people
when
I
go
to
meetings.
It's
a
plan.
It's
a
goal.
It's
out
there
that
you
know
we're
not
going
to
achieve
it
in
year,
one,
but
we're
always
going
to
work
toward
that
goal.
We
know
with
some
things
that
we're
working
on
right
now.
C
Today,
we've
been
in
conversations
with
engineering
and
they're
saying
minimum
two
years
before
we
can
get
this
done
and
we're
saying
no,
no,
no.
We
as
a
council
have
directed
them
to
say
no.
We
need
to
get
this
done
sooner
rather
than
later,
but
where
does
the
money
come
from?
You
know,
so
so
it's
going
to
take
some
planning
on
on
council's
part.
We
need
to.
We
may
have
to
eliminate
something
else
in
order
to
get
these
plans,
but
I
think
safety
is
should
always
be
our
number
one.
I
C
And
so
you
know,
I
think
if
we
set
a
goal
for
four
years
or
five
years,
but
working
toward
every
day
reducing
those
things,
because
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
money,
you
know
we're
going
to
put
roundabouts
the
master
plan
for
for
east
14,
how
many
they
have.
I
think
they
have
five
or
six
or
seven
roundabouts
as
a
way
to
to
reduce
traffic,
which
I
think
is
good.
But
man
are
they
going
to
get
some
resistance
from
the
neighborhoods?
C
C
G
G
C
B
B
B
E
E
Right,
the
reason
why
we
recommend,
and
even
the
federal
government
now
under
the
state
streets
and
roads
for
all
new
grant
program
that
came
out
where
you
have
to
meet
a
model
plan
in
order
to
pursue
funding
under
that
new
federal
source.
One
of
the
requirements
of
the
plans
is
to
have
a
goal
of
zero
traffic
deaths
by
a
certain
year.
C
E
Has
to
be
adopted
by
a
appointed
or
elected
body
within
the
city
or
mpo
government,
but
yes,
benchmarking
towards
it
right.
I
think
you
want
to
measure
okay
do
we
need
to
be
doing
more
because
death
is
going
up
or
down
right,
and
if
it's
just
achieve
a
goal
of
zero
traffic
deaths,
you
can't
really
benchmark
towards
it.
So
I
would
encourage
that
all
the
actions
and
goals
within
this
plan
be
benchmarkable
and
be
measurable,
more
than
anything
and
then
and
then
stepping
towards
that
ultimate
goal.
G
G
G
E
G
E
B
Well,
I
guess
a
question
I
would
have
you
gave
two
examples
right.
You
gave
boulder
that
that
was
down
to
zero
and
you
gave
hoboken
was
that
was
that
right
was
it
hoboken?
So
what
was
the
time
between
their
goal
and
achieving
that
and
where
were
they
starting
right?
I
mean
if
they
were
starting
at
five
or
six
traffic
fatalities
a
year
and
got
to
zero
that
that's
different.
B
E
Okay,
I'm
going
to
jump
to
the
next
question.
What
are
some
goals
and
actions?
You
would
like
to
see
in
the
vision,
zero
transportation
safety
plan
for
des
moines.
We
talked
about
this
a
little
bit.
I
liked
the
visioning
from
council
member
mendelbaum
and
some
of
the
ideas
and
research
that
that
the
rest
of
you
have
done,
including
councilmember
vos.
E
So
what
are
some?
What
are
some
things
we
can
be
doing
and
changing
in
order
to
improve
safety
in
des
moines,
we
talked
about
the
challenges,
the
issues,
the
the
potential
goal
years
and
how
you
want
to
communicate
this
to
the
public
as
we
make
these
changes.
But
what
are
some
specific
goals
and
actions
you
want
to
set
for
yourselves
in
des
moines.
G
G
C
Well,
I
think,
on
the
day
that
we
had
the
when
we
did
the
walk
in
the
of
the
path
of
where
that
student
was
was
killed,
the
school
traffic
lights
were
not
even
functioning
and
that's
because
the
school
district
didn't
communicate
with
the
city
that
school
had
been
extended.
I
think
the
city
was
going
by
one
calendar,
but
because
of
weather
the
school
activities
you
know
the
school
was
extended,
but
nobody
communicated
that.
So
we
did
a
walk
on
one
of
the
last
days:
schools
and
and
the
school
signs
weren't
flashing.
C
There
was
nothing
going
on
so
there
needs
to
be.
You
know
better
communication
with
with
all
all
parties
that
are
involved,
so
I
you
know,
I
think,
there's
some
immediate
actions
that
we
can
do.
I
think
in
our
planning
sessions.
We
need
to
just
keep
working
toward
that
goal.
You
know,
traffic
calming
is
a
big
thing
in
our
city.
That's
what
we
hear
more
than
that.
I
hear
more
complaints
about
speeding
than
any
other
issue.
E
E
B
I
mean
one
of
the
things
I
I
think
we've
identified
some
pieces
of
this
already,
but
one
of
the
things
we
lack
is
sort
of
some
of
the
time
frame
and
action
plan
for
achieving
it.
You
know,
I
don't
think
it'll
be
a
surprise
to
anyone
up
here.
I
I've
been
pushing
for
us
to
fill
our
priority.
One
sidewalk,
for
example,
quicker
because
you
know
we
want
to
make
it
so
that
people
can
walk
safely,
walk
safely,
to
school
or
to
transit
or
to
services
and
amenities
that
they
use,
and
we
have.
B
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
we
have
a
tendency
to
do
is
we
have
plans
that
outline
all
of
the
steps
that
we
should
take,
but
we
don't
take
that
next
step
of
benchmarking
when
we
want
to
get
these
things
done
by,
and
some
of
that
is
because
I
you
know,
then
we
would
have
to
change
budgets
to
meet
that.
But
that's
a
that's
a
piece
that
we
should
know,
and
that
is
part
of
good
decision
making.
B
If
this
is
truly
a
priority,
we
should
identify
time
frames
so
that
we
can
put
dollar
amounts
next
to
that
for
for
making
those
investments,
because
otherwise,
like
with
our
priority
one
sidewalks,
we
just
sort
of
arbitrarily
picked
a
3
million.
I
mean
partly
because
maybe
that
was
what
staff
could
accomplish.
B
B
I
mean
heck,
even
our
our
paint
budget.
We
don't
even
have
like
a,
I
think,
an
adequate
paint
budget
are
there
things
that
we
can
do
quickly
and
with
not
a
lot
of
dollars.
I
mean
grand
avenue
is
a
really
good
example.
My
guess
is.
We
could
have
a
complete
redesign
of
grand
avenue
with
just
some
paint
in
some.
In
some
regard
I
mean.
Obviously,
I
think
there
are
a
more
comprehensive
piece
that
you
could
do
with.
E
G
So
josh
touched
on
a
a
topic
about
continental
striping,
which
in
some
cities,
that's
that
is
the
way
crosswalks
are
marked
and
that's
not
in
our
current
policy.
We
just
have
the
two
parallel
lines.
I
don't
I
don't
know
what
the
that's
sort
of
we
do
the
minimum
and
it
would
be
great
to
learn
from
other
cities
about
how
they
do
cardinals
striping
and
how
they
move
to
that,
and,
and
also
what
that
does
for
alerting
the
drivers
to
pedestrians.
G
G
E
Smiling
because
the
I
walk
most
communities
when
I
come
visit
and
that's
very
telling,
I
walked
from
my
hotel,
where
I'm
staying
to
city
council
this
morning
and
noticed
a
few
things.
High
visibility.
Crosswalks
are
an
example
that
I
always
use
for
the
example
of
the
safest
framework
of
increasing
attentiveness
awareness.
But
the
second
thing
that
tells
me
a
lot
about
safety.
Culture
in
a
community
is
actually
my
uber
ride
into
a
city.
E
When
I
tell
the
uber
driver
what
I
do
for
a
living,
I
get
an
ear
full
of
ideas
and
challenges,
and
I
had
a
mini
meeting
last
night
with
my
uber
driver
about
exactly
what
we
were
talking
about
today
and
I
like
wasn't
saying:
hey
I'm
here
for
the
vision,
zero
effort,
it's
so
funny.
Whenever
I
say.
Oh,
I'm,
a
transportation
planner
like
I
hear
all
sorts
of
stories
from
uber
driver.
So
it's
a
pretty
telling
kind
of
temperature
check
on
a
community's
perceptions
of
transparency.
G
E
B
Partly
because
this
is
maybe
just
pressing
and
has
been
an
ongoing,
I
would
love
to
see
an
action
plan
for
that
southwest
ninth
corridor
and
steps
that
we
can
do
to
make
that
make
that
safer.
Where
do
we
have
crossings?
Is
a
road
diet,
an
appropriate
step
I
mean
particularly
coming
out
of
downtown
to
state
park.
B
G
C
E
And
one
example
that
I'll
use
talking
about
schools
and
equity
is
looking
at
your
land
use
decision
right.
If
you
have
a
lot
of
schools
that
are
located
adjacent
to
interstate
or
not
within
walking
distance
of
where
people
live.
Looking
at
your
land
use
policies
and
what
your
land
use
code
does
or
doesn't
allow
is,
is
also
a
step
in
this.
E
It's
not
just
looking
directly
at
your
transportation
policies,
but
also
how
people
move
where
people
move
to
and
from
so
looking
at
changing
land
use
codes
to
encourage
more
neighborhood
schools
to
not
locate
schools
near
highways
in
the
future
along
safer
roads,
not
on
arterials,
for
example.
Looking
at
those
type
of
of
things,
the
land
use
patterns
have
well.
E
So
looking
at
above
right
below
grade
separation,
really
sometimes
you
do
have
to
make
those
major
investments
to
make
the
safest
decision
so
below
greater
trade
crossings
sometimes
are
required
if
we're
choosing
to
separate
uses
that
require
people
to
cross
a
road
that
is
unsafe,
so
I'll,
say
boulder
again
they're
a
good
example
of
a
major
investment
has
been
made.
They
do
a
lot
of
above
grade
and
below
grade
crossings
where
crossing
at
grade
is
just
not
safe,
because
they're
a
very
spread
out
community
and
they're
a
college
town
too.
C
And
what
have
we
done?
You
know
I
mean
it
was
designed
to
keep
people
in
and
that
has
made
it
very
challenging
for
the
safety
issues
in
some
of
our
neighborhoods.
So
I
would
think
we
would
want
to
concentrate
on
some
of
those
redline
previously
redline,
neighborhoods
and
and
let's
let's
talk
about
those
that
would
be
my
priority.
E
Okay,
if
not
we'll
shift
to
the
last
question.
So
how
can
the
city
go
about
prioritizing
safety
in
all
decision-making
processes?
We've
already
talked
about
this
a
little
bit,
but
what
are
some
policies
that
you've
heard
our
hindrances
to
prioritizing
safety?
What
are
some
guidance
documents
within
the
city
that
you
think
need
updating?
What
are
other
plans
I'll
pose
this
another
way,
because
I
actually
haven't
heard
this
from
you
all?
What
are
other
plans
that
you've
developed
that
you
wish
you
would
have
done
more
work
on.
E
C
Bit
more
answer
that
we're
not
engineers
we're
just
elected
people,
I'm
going
to
look
to
our
engineering
staff
that
are
out
there
and
help
them
guide
us.
They
are
the
experts
at
it.
I'm
not
going
to
be
an
armchair
engineer
and
I
don't
know
what's
best
I
might
have
ideas,
but
I'm
going
to
look
to
steve
and
his
team.
C
E
E
That
may
need
to
be
looked
at
and
set
as
an
action
right
we're
not
going
to
make
those
changes
in
this
planning
process,
but
making
sure
that
we're
kind
of
uncovering
as
many
actions
that
are
needed
to
get
there
so,
but
I
will
say
so,
coming
from
an
architecture
and
planning
background,
I
think
that
actually
getting
opinions
from
non-engineers
sorry
is
good.
We
all
interact
with
the
built
environment
all
day
every
day
I
actually
love
doing
planning
with
children
they're
fearless.
E
B
B
B
So
how
do
we
start
incorporating
this
into
our
our
budgeting
decision,
because
we
can
have
vision
zero,
but
if
vision,
zero
isn't
reflected
in
in
the
decisions
we
make
from
a
budgetary
perspective,
we're
never
going
to
get
there
and-
and
I
think
that's
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
have.
We
do
a
lot
of
good
planning,
but
we
don't
connect
that
to
to
our
budgeting
and-
and
I
don't
want
to
make
that
mistake
with
this
with
this
plan-
so
that
that's
a
really,
I
think,
important
piece
that
maybe
we
can
make
so.
E
Just
looking
at
spending
the
money
that
you
have
in
existing
transportation
funds
differently,
just
like
right,
looking
at
your
land
use
code,
what
changes
can
you
make
for
the
future
to
change
the
things
we
know?
Don't
work
now
from
how
and
where
people
move
to
and
from
so
don't
forget
that,
like
right,
there's
things
that
you
you
are
currently
doing
and
currently
funding
that
we
could
just
be
looking
at
differently
and
through
a
different
lens,
but
using
the
money
you
have
all
the
same.
E
G
G
B
And
maybe
one
of
the
questions
we
start
asking-
and
this
is
an
opportunity
to
incorporate
that
again
connecting
another
decision-making
process
right,
there's
no
reason,
particularly
if
the
city
is
contributing
either
through
abatement
or
with
some
of
these
projects
right.
That's
at
least
part
of
a
conversation
with
with
the
developer
in
advance.
E
Yeah,
you
can
certainly
look
at
your
building
code
requirements.
If
you
follow
the
international
building
code
with
supplements,
you
can
that's
certainly
something
that
you
can
explore.
That
would
be
an
action
in
the
action
plan.
Again
we
wouldn't
make
that
change
during
this
project
period,
but
it
could
be
an
action
or
a
goal
of
wanting
to
encourage
more
walking
and
biking
in
des
moines
and
making
sure
that
walking
and
biking
is
safe
in
des
moines.
E
That
would
be
the
goal
and
then
the
action
could
be
things
like
changing
the
building
code
in
the
city
of
des
moines
to
encourage
whatever
code
that
falls
under.
I
know
that
under
the
lead
building
program
developers
get
credit
if
they
want
to
go
for
leed
certification
of
their
building.
They
get
credit
for
showers,
for
people
choosing
to
commute
by
active
transportation.
E
G
H
I'm
here
I've
been
listening
and
been
active
in
planning,
as
you
all
know,
prior
to
being
on
the
council.
It's
interesting
to
get
this
new
thought
process
and
and
feedback,
and
while
I
don't
have
any
specific
ideas
right
now,
I
would
look
forward
to
sitting
down
with
these
folks
as
they
this
process
and
plan
progresses
and
thank
council
for
the
input
this
morning.
I
think
it's
important
stuff.
G
E
So
I
will
actually
give
chris
dyers
a
chance
to
answer
a
question.
So
it's
not
just
me,
but
it's
at
the
central
library
at
2
30.
right.
I
get
my
time
zones
mixed
up
I'll.
Let
chris
answer
because
he's
leading
the
local
on
the
ground
engagement
since
I'm
based
in
silver
spring
chris
is
here
in
des
moines.
So.
I
C
I
I
I
So
really
the
next
big
things
we'll
be
doing
are
a
series
of
pop-up
events
to
get
the
word
out
about
our
big
four
listening
sessions
that
we
want
to
do,
one
for
every
ward
and
so
we'll
be
reaching
out
to
each
of
the
ward
council
members
to
see
what
your
schedule
and
availability,
if
you
wish
to
to
be
involved,
would
be
maybe
an
appropriate
location.
Is
it
a
community
center
or
a
school
building
within
the
ward?
That's
convenient
for
folks,
and
that
would
all
be
in
september.
I
D
I
Yeah,
I
absolutely
appreciate
that-
and
this
was
a
little
more
of
taking
an
opportunity
and
advantage
we're
in
town.
So
it's
super
easy
for
us
to
staff
and
do
there
it's
a
good
test.
Room
test
run
for
our
engagement
activities
and
it
was
really
to
just
kind
of
fill
sarah's
full
day
up
since
she
traveled
in
for
these
meetings.
C
So
we're
just
filling
time
we're
not
really
reaching
out.
I
guess
I
just
I
just
I
just
disagree
with
that.
I
just
don't
understand:
we've
got
a
member
in
the
public.
Did
you
know
anything
about
it?
I
saw
it
on
facebook.
It's
only
been
on
facebook
for
three
days
and
when
I
saw
it
okay,
well,
let's
do
better
yeah.
Let's
do
better
yeah.
C
E
With
city
staff
to
do
so,
yeah
and
chris
mentioned
there's
gonna,
be
four
stations
we'll
be
using
these
stations
throughout
the
engagement
at
the
pop-up
events
at
the
at
the
community
workshops,
which
will
be
in
each
ward.
So
this
is
not
the
first
or
only
chance.
We
also
will
be
communicating
to
everyone
that
stops
by
today
that
the
bulk
of
the
the
majority
of
the
engagement
really
collecting
and
listening
will
be
the
pop-up
events
and
workshops.
E
We
just
settled
on
the
mid-september
date,
so
we'll
be
making
sure
that
that
is
a
leave
behind
and
a
takeaway
for
community
members
that
stop
by,
but
I'll
give
it
a
plug.
Now
for
those
that
are
watching
on
the
youtube
live
to.
Please
stop
and
visit
us
between
1,
30
and
3
o'clock,
local
time
at
the
central
library
to
stop
by
and
give
us
your
thoughts
and
ideas
on
transportation
safety.
E
Thank
you
so
with
that.
I
feel
like
that
was
a
good
closing,
but
are
there
any
other
thoughts
or
ideas
that
you
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
received
today
and
will,
of
course,
have
many
follow-ups
and
are
looking
forward
to
having
many
deeper
conversations
about
this
as
we
develop
the
plan
for
des
moines,
any
closing
thoughts.
B
I
mean
I
think
this
was
a
a
great
conversation
and
I
think
the
prompts
were
really
helpful
to
get
us
talking,
and
I
know
I
I
can't
speak
for
everyone,
but
I
think
this
is
a
high
priority
for
several
of
us
on
the
council
and
it's
incredibly
important
work
and
will
be
impactful
on
the
community.
So
we're
we're
eager
to
see
how
this
process
plays
out
and
what
what
we
can
work
together
on.