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From YouTube: 5-19-22 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, May 19, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
Surrendered
its
health
and
freedom,
as
it
increasingly
embraced
the
automobile
as
the
primary
mode
of
mobility.
So
how
do
we
course
correct
towards
mutual
respect,
while
promoting
equality
and
respect
for
human
dignity,
sidewalks
they
improve
traffic
safety,
promote
active
transportation,
reduce
carbon
emissions,
improve
physical
and
mental
health
and
create
spaces
for
social
interaction?
A
A
safe
connected
and
complete
sidewalk
network
is
the
most
democratic
and
equitable
means
of
meeting
the
basic
transportation
needs
of
the
greatest
number
of
people.
The
elephant
in
the
room
in
this
instance,
of
course,
is
that
every
community
in
iowa
has
gaps
in
the
sidewalk
network,
as
the
largest
community
in
the
state
des
moines
has
arguably
the
biggest
task
in
meeting
these
needs.
This
presentation
is
about
how
the
city
approaches
these
this
uncomfortable
conversation
and
hopefully
comes
out
on
the
other
end.
Untrampled
pun
intended
sun
present.
A
Where
are
we
dsm,
usa,
founded
here
in
1843,
at
the
confluence
of
the
des
moines
and
raccoon
rivers?
It's
about
91
square
miles
and
a
population
of
217
000,
which
is
about
a
third
of
the
metro
population,
but
you're
all
familiar
with
that?
Maybe
here's
something
you
don't
know
the
street
pattern
and
mores
of
the
period
when
the
area
was
initially
developed,
play
an
important
role
in
whether
or
not
there
is
a
sidewalk
in
front
of
the
house.
A
The
legacy
of
the
development
pattern
can
be
seen
in
a
strong
correlation
between
the
lack
of
sidewalks
across
much
of
the
south
side.
As
you
see
on
the
screen
there,
which
is
consistent
with
the
development
norms
of
the
post-world
war
ii
era
or
areas
that
were
initially
developed
in
the
unincorporated
segments
of
polk
county
on
the
map,
you've
got
listed
for
you
where
the
city
limits
were
in
successive
years,
and
you
can
see
that
strong
1934
to
1960
segment
between
watrus
and
county
line
road
and
then
on
the
right.
The
red
is
the
missing
sidewalks.
A
Des
moines
has
a
walk
score
walkscore.org,
one
of
the
two.
If
you
haven't
been
there
of
49,
which
is
perfectly
average,
not
surprisingly,
those
in
downtown
and
immediate
surrounding
areas
in
the
darker
brown
and
tan
colors
walk
to
work
more
often
than
those
in
leslie
densely
populated
areas,
suburban
areas
in
migration
from
rural
areas,
increased
downtown
residences
and
a
focus
on
attracting
and
retaining
millennials
have
resulted
in
a
competition
among
cities,
including
des
moines,
to
become
the
most
vibrant,
livable
and
desirable.
A
B
A
Right
that
publication
there
is
called
dangerous
by
design.
That's
one
of
the
former
versions
of
that
it's
been
published
for
about
the
last
15
years
by
smart
growth.
America,
simple
takeaway
of
this
publication
is
that
streets
are
not
designed
for
all
users.
I
love
that
cartoon
on
the
left
on
the
bottom
right.
Bottom
metal,
partly
pedestrian
facility
fatalities,
have
jumped
35
percent
in
the
last
decade.
Bottom
right.
During
the
same
time,
vehicle
miles,
traveled
has
continued
to
climb
and
fatalities
and
injuries
of
vehicle
occupants
have
steadily
declined.
A
So,
jumping
from
the
background
to
the
planning
side
of
things,
move
dsm
is
the
city's
first
transportation
master
plan.
It
was
adopted
back
in
2018.
It
finds
that
our
safety
record
is
far
from
atypical.
Unfortunately,
it
frames
the
underlying
safety
issues
and
why
it's
so
important
to
focus
on
vulnerable
users.
A
A
Prioritizing
safety
for
people
walking
and
biking
will
create
safer
streets
for
everyone
in
des
moines
and
help
strengthen
the
neighborhoods
you
can
see.
The
respondents
to
the
survey
said
that
it's
fairly
easy
to
drive,
walk
bike
transit,
not
so
easy
about.
Half
the
people
say
they're
satisfied
with
either
the
quality
or
presence
of
sidewalks
in
their
neighborhood.
A
Des
moines
also
updated
its
complete
streets
policy
concurrently
with
move
dsm,
it
provides
a
process
for
constructing
sidewalks,
with
new
roads
and
eliminating
existing
gaps
with
roadway
reconstruction.
So
what
is
a
complete
street
I
like
to
think
of
it
as
an
equitable
distribution
of
the
public
right-of-way
that
reflects
the
values
of
the
community?
A
All
of
a
sudden,
you
realize
that
public
rights
of
way
are
the
primary
way
in
which
most
people
experience
the
public
sphere.
These
are
the
spaces
where
people
interact
and
move
from
place
to
place.
As
such,
it's
surprising
how
lopsided
the
use
of
the
public
right
of
way
has
been
in
the
last
75
years.
A
The
complete
streets
policy
serves
as
a
gut
check
on
the
use
of
the
public
comments.
The
graphic
in
the
upper
right
illustrates
a
transportation
hierarchy
pyramid
based
on
societal
costs,
health
and
efficiency
of
movement.
It
turns
the
traditional
vehicle-centric
paradigm
on
its
head
by
prioritizing
vulnerable
users
and
challenging
the
inertia
of
the
status
quo
and
we're
working
that
direction
in
des
moines.
A
Provision
of
sidewalk
facilities
is
the
first
step
a
municipality
should
take
in
ensuring
the
safety
of
people
walking.
Sidewalks
are
currently
missing
on
about
40
of
the
street
frontages
throughout
the
city
plan,
dsm,
which
I'm
sure
that
you've
heard
about
before
the
community's
comp
plan
codified
the
high
level
values
of
the
community.
A
This
provides
the
start
of
the
policy
lens
through
which
we
prioritize
sidewalk
gaps.
Move
dsm,
uses
a
data
driven
approach
to
identify
180
miles
of
priority
sidewalk
gaps
based
on
proximity
to
schools,
commercial
nodes,
bus
stops
and
a
connectivity
assessment.
So
those
are
the
four
things
in
the
middle
of
the
screen
on
the
right
and
you
can
see
the
top
line
numbers
across
the
top
about
950
miles
of
existing
sidewalks
650
miles
missing
and
so
of
those
650.
180
are
those
priority.
A
A
Council
identified
sidewalk
gap
infill
as
a
high
priority
and
committed
funding
to
complete
this
task
in
the
next
20
to
30
years
in
january
of
2019,
we
had
a
council
workshop
where
they
provided
additional
guidance
to
focus
on
school
routes.
I'll
say
more
about
that
in
the
next
slide
about
major
corridors,
those
are
ones
with
multiple
lanes
in
each
direction
or
posted
speed,
limit
above
30
miles
an
hour
and
reconstruction
projects
such
that
sidewalks
are
always
constructed
with
or
installed
with.
A
A
A
A
Can
that
is
sidewalks
number
one
are
required
as
a
per
move
dsm,
there's
two
types
of
design,
alternatives
that
you
all
are
much
more
familiar
with
than
me
type
two
designs
are
by
right
having
to
be
reviewed
by
this
group
by
the
commission
by
pnz
type,
one
three
possible
outcomes.
They
can
get
a
a
written
deferral
if
they're
a
priority
one
and
they
choose
not
or
if
they're,
unable
to
install
their
sidewalk
at
the
time
of
development
if
they
are
priority,
two
or
three,
they
go
through
an
administrative
waiver
process.
A
A
When
we
receive
a
request
from
the
planning
department,
we
say
the
engineering
department
recommends
sidewalk
to
be
installed
on
all
street
frontages
for
development
sites
to
improve
mobility
and
walkability
along
city
streets.
However,
we
recognize
that
there
are
some
instances
where
sidewalk
construction
is
not
feasible
at
the
time
of
development.
A
There's
currently
no
plans
in
the
cip
to
construct
blah
street.
If
it's
a
priority
one
sidewalk
we
add
this
sidewalk
is
identified
as
priority
one
sidewalk
gap,
but
it's
currently
not
planned
in
the
three
year
sidewalk
program.
What's
the
three
year
sidewalk
program,
that's
that
guy
right
and
if
it
is
priority,
two
or
three
we
say
the
street.
A
A
A
Over
that
10
months,
we
received
16
requests
from
staff.
Five
of
those
were
granted
four
administratively
won
by
you.
All
five
applicants
agreed
to
build
the
sidewalk
four
are
currently
pending
or
perhaps
that's
changed
and
they've
decided
one
way
or
the
other
one
project
was
not
approved
and
one
project
is
on
hold.
A
So,
to
finish,
it's
important
to
remember
that
sidewalks
are
the
means
and
not
the
end,
all
these
planning
tools
attempt
to
create
a
transportation
system
that
provides
safe
and
efficient
options
for
people
of
all
ages
and
abilities.
This
is
an
iterative
process.
Some
projects
will
fall
between
the
cracks.
A
C
I
applaud
the
proximity
to
schools.
I
think
that's
very
important.
I
think
we
all
do
in
terms
of
safety
for
children,
but
the
safety
for
children,
particularly
in
the
season
like
today
when
the
parks
are
really
beginning
to
be
very
active,
and
we
all
know
that
the
parks
in
the
city
have
a
lot
to
offer,
but
the
parks
also
have
a
lot
of
gaps
in
terms
of
sidewalks,
which
is
really
very
important
for
for
children
for
mothers
and
fathers
with
their
children.
C
A
A
I
I'm
only
the
the
town
crier
here.
This
is
what
was
developed.
Certainly
the
opportunity
to
continue
revising
those
criteria
is
there,
but
that
was
what
was
set
up
in
move
dsm
and
again.
I
think
that
drew
heavily
from
what
was
initially
set
up
in
planned
dsm
in
terms
of
the
higher
level
goals,
but
it's
certainly
a
point
that
I'll
bring
back
to
my
department
as
we
move
forward.
C
I'd
really
appreciate
that
jim.
I
would
really
would
indeed
and
just
to
a
follow-up
question
please
in
terms
of
the
the
financial
allocations,
for
you
know,
going
forward
with
these
gaps
in
what
council
has
given
as
guidance
be
under
reconstruction.
Is
that
a
category
that
would
be
eligible
for
funding.
A
So
reconstruction
projects
fund
they
put
it
if
a
street
is
reconstructed,
it
automatically
has
the
sidewalks
added
if
they're
lacking
or
if
there's
any
gaps,
those
get
filled.
The
funding
for
that
comes
through
the
actual
project
rather
than
through
the
sidewalk
program.
The
sidewalk
program
is
a
stand-alone
project
to
fill
those
gaps
where
you're
going
to
get
that
greatest
return.
A
One
small
piece
about
that,
if
you
think
about
perhaps
you
have
a
busted
sidewalk
in
front
of
your
home
and
you
think
oh
I've
gotten
a
quote,
and
I
know
how
much
it
cost
to
replace
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
my
house.
The
city's
cost
is
highly
variable.
It
can
be
anywhere
from
50
to
350
feet,
350
dollars
per
lineal
foot
and
the
variability
comes
from
if
there's
challenging
topography.
A
If
you
have
to
build
a
retaining
wall,
if
you
do
a
bunch
of
grading,
if
you
have
to
rebuild
driveways,
so
a
bunch
of
the
cost
is
kind
of
hidden
in
those
drive
approaches
and
the
grading
and
the
landscaping
that
has
to
do
with
the
complementary
pieces
of
installing
that
sidewalk.
So
it's
not
simply
laying
down
concrete
where
there
once
was
a
nice
flat,
open
space,
that's
kind
of
a
easy
misinterpretation.
D
A
couple
of
weeks
ago
we
had
an
applicant
come
in
and
they
were
building
a
small
house
in
the
neighborhood
as
an
infill
house
and
there's
no
sidewalk
there
and
they
were
looking
for
a.
I
think
I
remember
this
correctly.
They
were
looking
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
to
not
have
to
build
the
side
50
feet
of
sidewalk
in
front
of
their
house
in
a
neighborhood
that
didn't
have
sidewalks.
So
it
was.
I
didn't
unders
like
I
felt
like.
That
was
a
lot
of
burden
for
that
person.
D
E
E
B
B
D
A
So
it
was
very
strongly
encouraged
and
we
had
a
lot
of
really
great
neighbors
who
did
their
fair
share,
but
there
were
a
lot
of
people
who
slipped
below
the
regulations
and
said
no
thank
you.
I
think
I'll
develop
without
putting
in
a
sidewalk
and
so
now
we're
in
this
position
of
being
very
far
behind
the
eight
ball,
barely
see
the
eight
ball
from
where
we
are.
We've
got
180
miles
of
priority.
A
One
gaps
got
650
of
the
entire
city:
that's
overwhelming
that's
more
sidewalks
than
the
vast
majority
of
the
communities
within
the
state
right,
so
we're
just
saying:
how
can
we
make
that
step
one
by
one
and
move
forward
towards
a
future
moment
when
we
are
providing
adequate
levels
of
circulation
and
safe
travel
for
people
who
choose
to
walk?
And
so
it's
the
only
thing
we
can
do
is
one
step
at
a
time
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
there's
public
funds
to
infill
that
sidewalk.
The
short
answer
is
no.
A
We
do
this
prioritization
project
process.
We
come
up
with
recommended,
which
is
the
right
hand
side
of
the
screen
here
and
those
are
the
ones
that
are
programmed
designed
as
needed.
Right-Of-Way
access,
easements
whatever's
needed
and
it
goes
through
a
full
design
process
to
add
one
on.
Oh,
that's,
just
one
house
over.
Wouldn't
that
make
sense.
It
seems
so
logical
from
a
citizen's
perspective,
but
there
are
so
many
pieces
that
go
into
the
design
and
development
of
it.
Unfortunately,
it's
hard
to
be
nimble
like
that
and
it
sounds
like
a
horrible
excuse.
A
City
government
moves
slowly,
but
that
is
the
long
and
short
of
it
that
it
can't
be
done
in
that
way.
Could
it
be
a
future
project?
Absolutely?
Is
it
priority?
One
that'll
certainly
push
it
up
the
list,
but
is
there
a
funding
source
to
do
that
today?
No,
there
is
a
separate
program.
That's
allocated
675
000
a
year
for
sidewalk
replacement,
so
that
means
you
have
something,
but
it's
busted
up
or
whatever
heaved
because
of
a
tree.
A
There
is
a
source
for
that
that
the
city
funds
100
as
well
and
that
takes
applications
from
citizens
and
is
wholly
covered
by
the
city.
So
if
you
had
a
busted
walk
in
front
of
your
place
or
your
neighbors,
your
route
to
school
or
whatever
it
is,
you
could
say:
hey.
Could
you
hit
this
spot
and
as
long
as
the
property
owner
is
on
board,
that
could
be
added
to
the
queue.
F
A
When
we
first
put
pencil
to
paperback
envelope,
we
said
we'd
like
to
accomplish
this
in
20
years.
That's
what
council
kind
of
set
as
a
a
north
star
for
us
right.
So
it
said
20
years,
180
miles,
math
nine
miles
a
year
right.
My
math
is
right
here,
so
we
said
nine
miles
a
year,
we're
four
years
in
what
I
tell
you.
We've
done
18
miles,
we're
only
at
half
our
pace.
So
at
this
pace
40
years,
can
we
become
more
efficient?
Can
we
invest
additional
funds
towards
this
effort?
A
Can
we
see
efficiencies
on
the
construction
side
of
things
in
terms
of
pricing,
all
possible
yeses,
but
they're
all
factors,
but
the
goal
is
20
years
still,
and
so
I
think,
there's
a
number
of
citizens
and
a
few
members
of
the
council
who
are
very
interested
in
pushing
that
schedule
to
try
and
achieve
that
overall
vision.
Today,
we're
not
in
line
we're
about
half
the
pace
but,
as
I
said,
there's
these
other
things
that
cost
money
and
take
time
that
sure
have
slowed
us
down
very
good
appreciate
it.
G
G
What
number
of
miles
has
been
put
in
by
the
requirement
that
citizens
put
it
in
like
do?
We
know
how
many
miles
we've
filled
or
how
many
gaps
we've
filled
by
a
requirement
the
citizens
put
their
own
sidewalk
in
through
this
program
or
just
through
the
regular
development
process,
just
in
general
through
this
process,
if
people
are
putting
in
themselves
paying
it
for
themselves,
how
much
gap
have
we
closed
with
that
requirement
the
citizens
put
in
their
own
sidewalk?
Oh.
A
I
see
what
you're
saying
so
I
thought
you
were
asking
how
many
miles
are
there,
so
that's
that
first
number
952.
So
that's
how
well
as
of
2018,
that
number's
20
or
30
miles
more
now.
Each
year
the
city
constructs
sidewalk.
That's
replacement,
not
new
sidewalk
with
cip
capital
improvement
program
projects
and
that
can
represent
anywhere
from
one
to
four
miles
any
given
year,
but
that's
just
replacement
putting
a
brand
new
sidewalk
in
place
where
one
had
to
be
removed,
because
street
was
being
torn
up
for
a
sewer
or
whatever.
A
Additionally,
citizens
put
in
sidewalks
when
they
have
a
new
development,
or
just
on
their
own,
like
that,
because
they
decide
that
they
want
a
sidewalk
in
front
of
their
place
to
connect
to
their
neighbors.
That
number
it's
a
little
bit
harder
to
track.
I
put
together
a
complete
streets
report
on
an
annual
basis.
This
is
year
three
that
will
come
out
very
soon.
A
H
H
The
plan
and
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plats.
Unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
for
details
on
council
hearings.
H
Applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
H
All
comments
are
p
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
Items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval,
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report.
Unless
an
individual
president
or
member
of
the
commission
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
consent
and
considered
separately
under
public
hearing
agenda.
H
E
H
Okay,
so
we'll
leave
it
on
consent.
Anyone
on
the
commission
would
like
to
hear
this
item
number
three
requests
from
bos:
investments
llc
represented
by
jim
sinclair
and
ppdsm
rep,
represented
by
adam
searin
regarding
property
in
the
vicinity
of
6501
hickman
road
and
2404
westover
boulevard
to
amend
plan
dsm
to
revise
future
land
use,
designation
from
neighborhood
mixed
use
to
community
mixed
use
to
allow
development
of
the
property
with
a
density
of
up
to
17
dwellings
per
acre.
H
Seeing
none
that
will
remain
on
consent.
Number
four
request
from
drake
university,
represented
by
michelle
huggins
for
review
and
approval
of
an
eighth
amendment
to
the
university
square,
pud
conceptual
plan
to
change
the
use
of
the
building
at
1140
24th
street
from
a
previous
hotel
to
a
college
dorm.
H
Number,
six
requests
from
hpm
investments
represented
by
arc
holdings;
llc
adam
cockrell
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
scooters
coffee
located
at
100
east
euclid
ave
for
the
following
type:
two
design
alternatives:
a
through
d.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item
tonight.
H
H
H
I
I
Sriyoshi
chakravarthi
planning
staff
I'll
provide
a
presentation
on
the
item
before
you,
which
is
a
request
to
re-zone
a
property
at
3732
eastern
boulevard.
The
rezoning
request
is
to
change
the
zone
from
flood
district
and
mx1
mixed
use
district
to
mx3
mixed-use
district
to
allow
the
use
of
the
existing
building
as
a
industrial
light,
industrial
service,
light
or
office
use.
I
Here
is
a
map
of
the
property,
it's
on
eastern
boulevard
adjacent
to
the
four
mile
creek
greenway,
as
you
can
see
in
the
map,
majority
of
the
property
is
in
the
100
year,
flood
plain
for
the
creek
and
basically
the
applicant
is
requesting
to
use
the
existing
building
on
the
property
as
a
office
space
for
pavement
contractors
and
in
order
to
be
able
to
use
the
building.
For
that
there's
a
request
to
rezone
the
property
to
mx3
zoning
district
classification.
I
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
context
for
the
subject
property.
This
is
a
an
aerial
view.
The
subject
property
is
right
here
with
the
existing
building.
The
four
mile
creek
greenway
is
over
here
generally
in
in
this
direction,
and
this
is
a
street
view
of
the
existing
building
at
the
subject
property.
I
I
I
One
of
the
issues
with
with
properties
that
are
in
the
flood
plain
is
that
they
they
are
below
the
base
flood
elevation
that
is
determined
by
fema
and
in
order
for
for
them
to
be
able
to
come
out
of
the
flood
floodplain,
the
the
property
has
to
be.
The
land
has
to
be
raised
above
the
base
flood
elevation,
so
that
is
typically
the
methodology
that
is
recommended.
I
The
applicant
came
up
with
a
different
solution,
which
was
not
necessarily
to
bring
the
the
property
above
the
base.
Flood
elevation.
However,
what
they
are
proposing
is
to
flood
proof
the
actual
building,
and
I
believe
the
applicant
is
here
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
in
detail,
but
I
can
just
summarize
basically
what
they
are
proposing,
as
you
can
see
here
in
this
in
in
this
diagram
and
I'll
zoom
zoom
in
a
little
bit.
I
So
you
can
see
better,
but
what
they
are
proposing
in
summary,
is
that
they
are
proposing
to
build
a
concrete
flood
proofing
wall
all
around
the
existing
masonry
wall
of
the
of
of
the
building.
The
other
thing
that's
going
to
go
in,
there
are
piers,
and
there
are
these.
You
can
see
them
right
here
and
so
in
the
event
of
of
flooding.
What
they
are
proposing
to
do
is
to
have
these
flood
shields
put
in
in
between
the
piers,
which
allows
the
building
to
be
flood
proof.
I
So
this
is
in.
In
summary,
this
is
this
is
the
design
that
they
have
proposed.
They
had
extensive
conversation
with
the
city
engineering
staff
and
made
changes
as
recommended
by
them.
The
design
that
they
have
proposed
here,
at
least
in
conception,
meets
the
chapter
50
regulations
of
the
city
code,
which
lays
out
in
regulations
in
terms
of
building
in
the
floodplain
again
this
conceptually
it
meets
meets
that.
I
As
I
had
mentioned
before,
the
the
rezoning
of
the
property
is
is
not
is
not
being
recommended
by
a
staff
at
this
time.
The
reason
staff
is
not
supportive
of
the
rezoning
request
is
because
what
the
applicant
has
proposed,
although
a
good
design,
it
does
not
bring
the
area
that's
under
the
base,
flood
elevation
over
it.
So
it
is
still
essentially
in
the
flood
plain.
I
I
Should
the
rezoning
be
denied
the
applicant
does
have
up
to
a
year
following
the
denial
to
seek
a
use,
variance
from
the
board
of
adjustment
for
a
specific
commercial
use
of
the
property,
and
that
would
not
require
a
amendment
to
our
plan
dsm
to
change
the
flood
zoning
to
the
mixed-use
zoning.
So
that
is
that
is
staff's
recommendation.
I
We
did
not
receive
any
comments
either
in
support
or
in
opposition
to
this
particular
project.
I
believe
that
the
applicant
did
a
neighborhood
meeting.
This
was
noticed
a
couple
times
this
particular
item
because
it
had
been
postponed.
They
did
hold
a
public
meeting
at
our
neighborhood
meeting
and
they
didn't
get
any
attendees
at
that
time.
So
there's
nothing
to
report
on
that.
I
I
E
I
G
I
Engineering
staff
recommended
the
applicant
to
first
figure
out
the
rezoning
because,
because
they
didn't
want
the
applicant
to
put
in
a
lot
of
work
into
the
final
design
until
the
rezoning
issue
had
been
resolved
and
therefore
the
the
conceptual
design
it
does
satisfy
the
chapter
50
criteria.
But
there
are
still
some
final
design
details
that
need
to
be
worked
out
before
it
can
be
fully
approved.
K
Yeah,
basically,
that's
shirosi
presented
what
we
needed
to
to
say
that
the
that's
our
design
for
the
flood
proofing.
Basically
we're
going
down
to
the
footings
pouring
a
new,
concrete
flood
protection
wall
around
the
perimeter
of
the
building,
and
we've
done
this
type
of
thing
before
in
ames,
in
the
flood
areas
there
and
then
have
removable
gates
at
the
window
and
door
openings
so
that
you
can
protect
it
from
the
floods
and
those
are
fairly
easy
to
install
there's
a
few
other
requirements
that
we
have
to
go
through.
K
No,
not
currently
we
haven't
got
to
that
point.
We've
got
the
obviously
the
concrete
walls
are
pretty
straightforward.
Those
will
be
just
more
or
less
no
different
than
foundation
walls,
but
the
inserts
for
the
flood
proofing.
We
typically
don't
do
the
cost
analysis
until
basically,
it
gets
approved.
K
L
B
K
M
Hi,
my
name
is
carol
maher.
I
live
in
ward,
3,
zip
code,
50312
I'll,
provide
my
address
on
the
written
form.
I'm
not
sure
why
we
would
want
to
encourage
development
in
the
four
mile
creek
greenway,
when
the
city
is
paying
millions
of
dollars
to
buy
out
homeowners
because
of
the
repeated
flooding
in
that
part
of
town.
M
H
L
E
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question.
Unfortunately,
I
don't
have
an
answer
for
that.
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure.
I
would
assume
that
it
had
to
do
with
prioritization.
I
know
a
lot
of
the
properties.
I've
been
I've
witnessed
over
the
years
being
taken
down
where
houses,
so
I
don't
know
if
they
prioritize,
like
dwellings,
that
people
were
in.
That
would
sleep
in
that
sort
of
thing,
but
that's
all
speculation
yeah.
I
don't
know.
G
If
so,
it
sounds
like
if
we
want
this
project
to
proceed,
it
sounds
like
the
course
of
action
needs
to
be
taken
is
deny
the
zoning,
which
is
the
chairperson
was
saying,
but
if
there
is
a
use
variance
awarded,
can
it
be
conditional
on
no
buyout
being
available
or
how
does
that
work?
Can
we
can
we
put
on,
say,
hey
you
built
it
here?
It's
your
deal.
E
E
You
know
and
tiny
things
to
whatever
the
specific
use
is
so
in
this
case
you
know
we
it's
going
to
be
for
an
office
use
versus
like
mx
zoning,
which
could
have
a
variety
of
uses,
but
I
I
don't
I'm
not
sure
about
having
any
language
in
there
that
would
preclude
them
from
buy
out.
The
thing
that
would
concern
me
is
that
I
think
we
typically
use
federal
funds
and
I
don't
know
that
we
could
like
apply
something
that
might
impact
those.
But
so
I
don't.
N
N
The
city
really
only
uses
federal
funds
to
buy
out
residential
properties,
so
there's
no
program
available
to
buy
all
the
commercial
property
like
this.
We
definitely
feel
for
the
people
who
just
recently
bought
this
property
since
it's
in
100
year,
flood
plain,
but
the
city
doesn't
have
any
ability
to
buy
it
at
this
time.
O
I
also
believe
that
it's
up
to
the
applicant
to
decide
what
they
want
to
do.
It's
not
a
question
of
whether
the
board
thinks
they
should
go
to
the
planning
and
to
the
board
of
adjustment,
but
that's
their
discretion.
We're
simply
deciding
it
whether
we
want
to
make
a
decision
about
rezoning
it
and
I
would
be
voting
against
it
and
recommending
staff.
H
P
H
We'll
move
on
to
item
number
eight,
a
request
from
roloffs
of
des
moines
represented
by
anthony
holt
tony
holt
and
gregory
holt
1150
highway
5
pleasantville
iowa
llc,
represented
by
anthony
holt
for
property
located
in
the
vicinity
of
20
east
18th
street
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
rezoning
is
in
conformance
with
planned
dsm.
Amid
the
plan
dsm
to
revise
the
future
land
use,
designation
from
low
density
residential
to
industrial
rezoned
property
from
n3c
neighborhood
district
to
i2
industrial
district
to
allow
a
junk
or
salvage
yard
to
use.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chairs.
Ryoshi
chakraborty
planning
staff.
The
rezoning
request
is
for
an
area
in
the
vicinity
of
20
east
18th
street.
As
mentioned,
the
request
is
to
rezone
the
area
from
n3c
neighborhood
district
and
i1
industrial
district
to
i2
industrial
district,
which
allows
the
applicant
to
expand
his
business
operations
in
that
in
that
particular
area.
I
just
wanted
to
familiarize
you
with
the
rezoning
area.
The
the
20th
east
18th
street
property
is
right
here
where
the
applicant
currently
owns
the
business.
It's
zoned
i2.
I
B
I
B
I
I
I
I
This
is
along
e-16
court,
there's
heavy
vegetation
between
the
existing
neighborhood
and
the
the
subject
property.
There's
a
driveway
that
cuts
here
through
e-16
port,
and
in
this
picture
you
can
see
how
thick
the
vegetation
is.
There's
also
a
significant
elevation
drop
about
roughly
40
feet,
or
so.
I
I
B
I
There
are
a
few
vacation
right
away
vacations
that
are
associated
with
this
particular
action,
and
I
just
wanted
to
bring
this
to
your
attention.
These
vacations
right
away
vacations
have
had
come
to
the
planet,
zoning
commission
and
we're
recommended
for
approval.
However,
city
council
hasn't
accepted
and
conveyed
the
vacations.
I
I
I
The
the
staff
rationale
with
this
with
this
particular
rezoning
is
that
industrial
areas
in
the
city
should
be
located
in
in
in
certain
areas
that
are
already
designated
for
these
kind
of
users.
The
subject
property
is
located
generally
in
a
industrial
area,
so
the
area
is,
is,
is
industrial
in
nature,
and
this
kind
of
use
is
is
complementary
to
it.
I
However,
there
is
an
issue
of
of
residential
uses
immediately
north
and
adjacent
to
this
particular
rezoning,
so
appropriate
mitigation
measures
are
needed
in
order
to
minimize
adverse
impact
to
to
those
areas.
Therefore,
in
reviewing
all
of
that,
staff
has
come
up
with
some
zoning
conditions.
Staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
rezoning
request.
I
So
as
as
you
can
see
here,
this
is
the
larger
rezoning
area.
Staff
is
recommending
approval
with
the
use
of
the
property
being
limited
to
i1
district.
So
it's
what
what
staff
is
proposing
is
more
of
a
limited
i2
which
restricts
the
users
to
i1,
except
for
this
white
shaded
area,
which
includes
these
two
lots
and
the
vacated
alley
right
away,
as
well
as
the
vacated
wine
street
right
away.
So
i2
users
can
be
can
be
part
of
this
particular
area
outside
of
this
area.
I
I
I
So
that's
the
second
condition.
Any
use
of
the
property
shall
be
in
accordance
with
an
approved
site
plan,
and
there
is
also
a
proposed
timeline
associated
with
the
with
the
approval
of
the
site,
the
submission
approval
and
bringing
in
conformance
with
the
site
plan.
So
the
the
condition
specifies
that
that
a
site
plan
will
be
submitted
no
later
than
december.
31St
2022
and
approval
will
be
obtained
no
later
than
march,
31st
2023
and
the
property
or
the.
I
I
The
applicant
conducted
a
neighborhood
meeting
and
provided
us
a
detailed
summary
of
what
was
discussed.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
a
few
important
things
that
were
that
were
discussed.
Removal
of
1611
east
wine
of
the
rezoning
map,
which
is
which
is
not
part
of
the
rezoning
so
that
matches
with
what
the
neighborhood
wanted:
empty,
roll-off
container
storage
in
the
site
plan
and
fence
out
of
track
to
stop
homeless.
Coming
off
the
railroad.
I
Q
I
I
E
Before
we
turn
it
over
to
questions
I
do
want
to,
can
we
go
back
to
slide
31,
which
is
the
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
everybody
understands
the
staff
recommendation,
just
a
it's
a
lot
of
information
here,
a
lot
of
moving
parts
so
just
bear
with
me
a
little
bit
the
so
just
refresh
everybody's
memory.
Their
existing
site
today
is
already
zoned
i2.
E
That's
the
active
recycling.
The
active
material
is
in
that
gray
area,
crosshatch
and
labeled
as
i2.
So
as
we
were,
as
you
were,
looking
at
some
of
the
the
text
of
the
zoning
conditions
really
that
first
text,
you
know
that
that
was
related
to
not
the
first
text,
but
that
in
that
text
we
were
saying
that
area
is
fine
for
that
type
of
use.
The
balance
of
the
site
could
either
be
used
for
i1
uses
and
or
it
could
be
used
for
empty
roll-offs
that
are
associated
with
i2
use
at
their
existing
sites.
E
So
we
need
to
remember
that
the
empty
roll-offs
are
an
accessory
use
or
accessory
to
the
heavily
the
heavy
industrial
use.
So
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
it
we're
not
limiting
just
the
i1
uses
in
in
the
non-cross
hatched
area.
It's
i1
uses,
plus
the
storage
of
empty
roll-off
containers
associated
with
that
particular
use.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
you
know
tonight.
I
think
the
applicant
is
going
to
show
you
know
the
shreyoshi
showed
some
and
they'll
show
some
of
their
their
drawings
for
their
site
and
their
buildings.
E
But
tonight
we
are
not
right
now
approving
the
site
or
building
designs.
It's
good
for
us
to
understand
their
intent,
but
the
commission's
action
tonight
is
to
make
a
recommendation
purely
on
the
use
and
where
the
uses
make
sense
on
the
site.
So
I
don't
want
anybody
to
well.
You
can
leave
here
and
kind
of
have
a
sense
of
what
they
want
to
do.
E
E
E
So
the
there
are
already
exist,
buffering
requirements
in
chapter
135
that
will
be
applied
during
the
site
plan
process
which,
but
those
are
not
be
more
like
10
feet,
and
so
we
felt
in
that
strip
that
it
was
wanted
to
have
a
greater
buffer
or
greater
setback.
And
so
that's
why,
as
a
zoning
condition,
we're
saying
that's
got
to
be
25
feet
there.
So
we'll
work
with
the
applicant
on
other
parts
of
the
site
during
the
site
plan
process.
There's
also
a
lot
of
slope
there.
E
J
I
have
a
question:
what
is
this
rationale
about
the
i2
parcels?
It
sounds
like
there's
an
issue
with
violations
and
things
keep
spreading
across
the
the
the
site.
How
are
we
going
to
be
able
to
as
well
as
a
city?
How
are
they
inspectors
going
to
be
able
to
determine
whether
that
used
is
limited
to
those
two
parcels
without
spreading
over
to
the
rest
of
the
property.
E
We
worked
closely
with
our
zoning
enforcement
staff
and
coming
up
with
our
recommended
conditions,
so
we
certainly
have
been
mindful
of
having
their
input,
knowing
that
we'll
have
to
continue
to
work
with
the
applicant
and
that
there's
current
issues
today,
and
so
in
those
discussions.
What
we
came
to
realize
that
if
you
know
we're
going
to
allow
them
to
expand
and
construct
this
building,
they're
going
to
need
to
have
some
area
around
that
building
that
can
function,
for
they
can
have
this,
the
outdoor
storage
and
so
we've.
E
Q
Q
Q
The
railroad
wanted
to
be
on
vine
street
and
elm
street
both
because
they
wanted
to
be
on
each
side
of
the
the
those
streets.
So
the
railroad
developed
these
crossovers
and
would
have
dug
out
this
hill
and
this
area
goes
back.
So
this
picture
is
from
the
20s
to
30s
and
it
shows
you
the
hill
that
we're
looking
at
and
the
height
difference
and
why
there
was
a
multiple
set
of
tracks.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
We
purchased
three
homes
here
and
one
home
here,
and
also
this,
mr
gary
albert
had
his
shop
here
and
we
went
through
the
process
to
buy
the
up
railroads
extra
parcels
and
that
took
us
clear
down
to
there
because
that's
what
they
wanted
to
get
rid
of.
So
we
didn't
have
a
choice.
When
we
went
to
the
u.p,
they
said
all
or
nothing,
so
we
bought
clear
to
east
14th
includes
this
pieces
through
here
at
that
time,
when
we
bought
these
houses,
this
was
zoned.
Q
Q
Q
I
don't
think
we
would
disturb
them
as
long
as
the
city
is
okay
with
that,
and
then
we'd
also
have
that
25
foot
buffer
between
it
and
then
the
only
thing
we've
put
in
that
first
hundred
feet
is
just
an
employee
parking
lot
on
the
corner.
We've
put
to
water
retention
and
beautification
will
be
some
landscaping
done
in
there,
and
so
then,
this
line
here
represents
a
fence
and
then
there'll
be
a
fence
here,
of
course,
the
openings
won't
be
fenced.
Q
H
S
S
We
live
on
the
hill
that
overlooks
14th
we're
for
the
proposal
because,
unless
you've
had
to
deal
with
it
on
a
daily
basis,
you
don't
really
realize
how
intense
the
homeless
problem
is
over
that
hill
from
being
threatened
to
having
items
stole
from
you.
I
I
have
literally
given
a
leather
duster
off
my
back
to
a
real
homeless
person,
I'm
a
former
drug
counselor
for
hope,
ministries
and
I
have
reached
out
to
the
members
over
the
hill.
They
do
not
want
help.
S
S
My
daughter
was
threatened
with
a
ball
back
by
one
of
the
homeless,
and
you
know
my
husband
and
I
we
work
really
hard
to
maintain
a
really
nice
home
for
a
nice,
neighborhood
and
we'd
like
to
see
that
neighborhood
cleaned
up
again.
He
didn't
see
it
in
its
glory.
When
I
was
growing
up,
it
was
beautiful
and
I
hate
the
thought
of
having
the
trees
removed,
but
I've
spoken
many
times
to
sue
donovan
and
to
joe
gatto
in
regards
to
the
problem
over
the
hill
and
when
you're
driving
up
from
the
south
heading
north.
S
It's
disgusting,
it's
it's
an
eyesore,
you
don't
see
it
as
much
when
the
trees
are
green,
but
you
still
know
it's
there.
You
still
see
them
coming
up.
There's
little
kids
in
the
neighborhood
that
are
afraid
to
play
outside
the
neighbor
to
the
south
of
us
at
101
johnson
court
left
was
renting
that
building
that
house
excuse
me
and
they
left,
because
their
daughter
brought
up
a
needle
and
said
daddy.
What
is
this?
O
S
S
We've
had
multiple
multiple
officers
out
there
who
have
been
more
than
empathetic
to
us,
a
one
specifically
stood
out
to
me
and
his
name
was
seth
and
he
said
that
he
had
a
child
underway
and
a
little
girl,
and
he
understood
you
know
our
plight.
We
can't
even
sit
in
our
backyard
and
currently
we
are
trying
to
build
a
fence
just
to
have
some
privacy,
but
that's
not
going
to
take
away
the
problem.
That's
simply
going
to
place
a
band-aid
on
it
and
as
soon
as
you
leave
your
home
you're
still
going
to
see
it.
S
O
S
Realize
that
there's
residential
up
there?
Yes,
we
all
live
up
there,
but
we'd
rather
look
at
that
than
the
garbage
one
saturday
java
came
out
for
eight
and
a
half
hours
for
eight
and
a
half
hours.
My
husband
and
I
were
working
out
in
our
yard
on
saturday
and
saw
person
after
person
after
person
with
large
trash
bags
garbage
that
they
had
left
there
and
the
reason
the
gentleman
from
java
came
up
and
asked
us
if
he
could
drive
in
our
yard
to
do
it.
S
S
S
H
T
Okay,
my
name
is
cruz
cruz
mata.
I
live
at
1533
east
vine,
I'm
my
property
borders,
mr
anthony
hoyt
property.
So
I'm
deeply
concerned
about
this,
and
I
I
would
like
to
have
the
council
deny
this
request
because
of
certain
things
that
we
need
to
address.
One
of
the
things
is
at
a
while
back,
I
don't
know
if
some
of
you
remember,
we
used
to
have
a
junkyard
back
there.
Ten
years
ago
the
city
went
through
and
cleaned
it
up.
T
A
lot
of
people
walk
in
through
there
and
then
the
railroad
transit
company
made
a
beautiful
job
in
landscaping,
paving
all
that
area
and
took
care
of
all
the
the
drainage
water
that
was
coming
through
their
area.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
can,
if
you
ever
been
by
there
or
ever
seen
that
if
you
can't
miss
it,
if
you're
on
east
14th
street,
you
can't
miss
that
development
that
they
did.
T
T
T
T
T
T
They
are
not
beautifying
the
neighborhood.
I
just
I
don't
understand
they
are
not
beautiful.
You
can
show
me
something
that
they
beautify
the
neighborhood.
How
can
they
bring
the
value
of
our
property
up?
This
is
no
way
of
bringing
the
property
of
our
value
of
property
value
or
even
beautify
in
our
neighborhood.
I
lived
in
this.
T
T
I
have
talked
to
people.
I
have
gathered
this
petition,
all
this
people
trying
to
say
the
same
thing
they're,
not
in
favor
of
this
rezoning,
and
we
asked
for
the
council
to
reject
this
rezoning
for
the
same
purpose.
I
am
stating
right
now
that
this
will
depreciate
the
value
of
our
property,
not
only
that,
but
it
will
bring
a
lot
of
more
homeless
people
in
it'll
bring
more
traffic
through
court
avenue.
T
T
T
H
T
H
M
I
would
think
that
that
type
of
requirement
would
be
interesting
to
discuss.
Also,
there's
no
sidewalk,
since
that
was
the
topic
of
discussion.
There's
no
sidewalk
along
the
entire
length
of
vine
that
they're
looking
to
purchase
and
where
the
conservation
buffer
will
go
in.
I'm
I'm
wondering
why
they
wouldn't
be
required
to
install
that
also
the
property
at
1657.
M
M
U
U
Going
to
wait
till
I
got
up
here,
but
you
wouldn't
know
ahead
of
time.
I'm
still
jog
brown
16
15
he's
buying
yeah.
I
really
don't
have
any
problem
with
what
they
want
to
do,
except
for
a
lot
of
1613s
in
between
two
residential
homes
and
that
wouldn't
even
bother
me,
but
since
the
city
decided
they
don't
need
any
storm
drainage
there.
U
She,
the
young
lady,
showed
a
picture
of
that
lot.
It's
been
funneled
out
over
the
years.
That's
where
our
excess
storm
water
goes
until
the
city.
They
keep
charging
me
more
and
more
on
my
bill,
but
they
don't
seem
to
have
enough
money
to
put
a
storm
sewer
in
until
they
can
get
one
in
there.
We
almost
me
being
right
next
to
it
downhill.
U
If
anything
was
to
be
built
on,
there
would
force
all
the
water
to
my
property,
and
my
property
would
be
a
a
big
jolly
just
like
that.
Vacant
lot
is,
and
that's
my
only
concern
is
anything
builds
on
there
now
they've
told
me,
they're
gonna,
leave
in
a
green
space
and
then
put
a
dutch
well
at
the
bottom,
which
sound
like
perfect
solution
to
me,
but
why
does
it
have
to
be
rezoned?
U
If
that's
all
we're
gonna
do
that's
my
question,
and
why
is
that
one
lot
by
itself
added
in
here
what
they
want
to
do
on
down?
There
doesn't
affect
me,
but
if
anyone's
to
build
they're,
even
residential,
if
someone
is
to
build
a
home,
I
don't
know
where
to
get
all
the
dirt
to
fill
that
hole
in,
but
and
they
raised
it
higher
in
my
property
that
would
force
all
the
water
onto
my
property
and
that's
what
I'm
worried
about.
C
E
U
U
I
mean
it's
a
cheap
way
for
this.
Well,
it
comes
right
here,
but
I
bet
there's
storm
sewers
down
here.
You
don't
have
to
worry
about
it
for
some
reason
on
this
street.
They
decided
they
don't
need.
One
they've
been
using
that
until
they
can
get
that
fixed
in
there.
I
I
hate
to
see
anything
built
there
that
raises
the
level
of
that
ground.
U
H
H
V
Name
is
julie,
earls
and
I
live
at
110
southeast
15th
court.
My
side
yard
actually
looks
down
the
hill
into
that
area.
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
it.
I've
I
have
seen
mr
holt
personally
have
his
own
dumpsters
down
there
with
his
own
crew
members
cleaning
up
the
homeless
filth.
That's
there
so
he's
not
looking
to
put
garbage
there.
I
don't
believe
I
believe,
he's
looking
to
clean
the
area
up
as
much
as
he
can.
V
Q
Part
of
the
homeless
problem
is,
is
a
big
problem
in
this,
and
we've
tried
to
commit
ourselves
to
helping
with
it
and
part
of
it.
They
got
us
in
it's
kind
of
a
gray
zone
that
we
we
put
barriers
across
the
city
street
and
we'll
be
the
first
to
tell
you
we
did,
and
that
is
part
of
the
latest
violation.
Is
we
put
barriers
across
the
street?
Q
Q
So
what
we're
proposing
to
do
is
once
we
own
the
property,
we
can
fence
it
to
the
hillside.
I
don't
think
we'll
ever
be
able
to
fence
the
hillside
itself.
It's
it's
50
feet
from
mr
cruz's
house
to
this
railroad
bed.
We
don't
we're
not
expanding
beyond
the
railroad
bed
and
if
you,
if
you
I
can
show
you
some
pictures
quickly
here.
Q
Q
Q
J
H
R
H
H
Thank
you.
We
will
move
on
to
number
nine
requests
from
tim
urban
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing,
site
plan,
dollar
general
county
line,
road
for
property
at
910,
county
line
road
and
for
the
following
type
2
design,
alternatives
in
accordance
with
city
code
135,
a
through
g
and
nick
will
be
presenting.
W
Awesome.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
nick
tarpey
planning
staff.
As
you
can
see,
there's
multiple
design
alternatives
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
tonight,
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
break
it
up
into
chunks,
not
bore
everybody.
So
we're
really
that's
the
way
we're
going
to
go
through
the
staff
report.
W
W
So
talking
about
the
building
siding
on
the
lot,
the
setbacks,
the
placement
of
the
parking
lot,
things
of
that
nature
and
then
we'll
talk
about
individual
elements
of
the
building
design,
that's
in
part
c
in
part
e
and
then
also
in
part
g,
so
specific
elements
related
to
the
actual
building
the
facade.
Those
types
of
elements
I
do
want
to
be
really
try
to
be
crystal
clear
on
this,
though
the
commission,
you
might
have
seen
in
your
packet
and
then
we'll
also
talk,
you're,
also
going
to
view
them
tonight.
W
You
are
going
to
look
at
some
building.
Elevations
building
materials.
Facade
articulation
is
not
one
of
the
design
alternatives.
That's
requested
tonight.
What
the
applicant
has
previously
submitted
was
not
compliant
with
the
design
regulations
of
chapter
135
city
code,
but
the
applicant
has
indicated
to
us
in
writing.
It
also
verbally
that
they
were
going
to
submit
some
revised
building
elevations
after
this
meeting,
depending
kind
of
on
the
outcome
of
the
meeting,
and
so
those
are
not
being
under
consideration
tonight.
W
The
applicant
also
understands
that,
if
whatever
they
submit
is
not
necessarily
compliant
with
chapter
135,
that
they
could
return
to
the
commission
and
have
those
examined
so
you're
going
to
see
some
building
elevations
tonight,
but
just
know
we're
not
really
going
to
be
discussing
materials
and
facade
articulation
specifically,
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
hop
into
some
of
the
site
context.
So
this
is
an
area
of
the
site.
Here
it's
outlined
in
yellow
it's
at
the
intersection
of
southwest
9th
and
county
line,
a
real
kind
of
edge
of
town
type
location.
W
It's
currently
a
vacant
lot,
it's
about
1.2,
acres,
completely
undeveloped,
there's
no
structures
on
the
site
right
now
to
the
media
east
of
the
site
is
the
get
and
go
convenience
store
and
gas
station
just
at
the
southwest
southeast
corner
at
county
line
at
southwest
9th.
We
got
blank
golf
course
just
to
the
northeast
and
then
really
directly
abutting
to
the
west,
to
the
north
and
then
slightly
to
the
south
is
a
mix
of
single
family
homes.
W
For
the
most
part,
I
also
wanted
to
include
a
little
bit
of
a
widened
out
context
map
just
for
reference
to
the
commission.
So
if
you're
following
my
cursor
right
here,
this
is
the
intersection
that
we're
talking
about
this
corner.
As
you
can
see
to
the
north.
Here
we
have
a
big
mix
of
housing
typology,
so
it
makes
a
single
family
multi-family
we're
about
a
mile
south
of
army
post.
That's
this
line
right
here.
Mixed
use,
commercial
corridor.
W
We
have
blank
golf
course
and
we
have
a
mix
of
some
open
spaces,
some
schools,
so
a
lot
of
civic
type
uses
and
you
can
see
to
the
south
of
the
site.
It's
really
undeveloped.
It's
a
lot
of
undeveloped
parcels
and
agriculturally
used
land,
so
we'll
get
back
to
that
a
little
bit
later,
but
really
one
a
lot
of
the
basis
of
the
staff
recommendations
tonight.
Is
that
there's
really
a
strong
sense
of
being
able
to
set
the
context
in
terms
of
new
development
in
this
area?
W
Here's
some
site
photos
some
existing
photos
of
what
the
site
looks
like
right
now
took
these
last
week.
This
is
standing
from
the
east
from
the
get
go
parking
lot.
You
can
see
the
site.
It's
got.
Some
mature
trees
now
they'll
be
removed
as
part
of
the
development,
but
it's
a
pretty
open
slate
in
terms
of
what
we're
working
with.
W
W
The
building,
as
you
can
see,
is,
is
pretty
far
set
back
from
the
primary
frontage
which
is
southwest
9th
it's
about
115
feet.
You
have
the
parking
line
up
front
and
then
we
have
one
entrance
really
devoted
to
both
pedestrians,
as
well
as
the
the
motorists
that
will
access
the
site
it's
really
placed
in
the
center,
and
it's
really
centered
around
the
parking
lot.
W
This
northern
facade
here
is
set
about
10
feet
back
from
the
property
line,
so
you
can
see
it's
pushed
pretty
close
north
to
the
northern
property
line,
but
really
far
set
back
from
that
southwest
ninth
one,
and
then
we
have
the
parking
lot
continuing
around
the
southern
edge
of
the
building.
This
side
of
the
building
here
is
going
to
house
the
loading
area.
W
W
This
back
area
here
and
we'll
dig
into
this
a
little
bit
more
when
we
look
at
the
landscaping
plan,
but
this
is
really
going
to
use
for
detention,
so
it
looks
like
open
space,
but
there
is
a
purpose
for
that
in
terms
of
managing
the
stormwater
just
a
couple
other
views
of
the
site
plan.
Just
in
case
there
were
questions
about
grading,
here's
the
landscape
plan.
Here
staff
does
want
to
give
kudos
to
the
applicant.
They
did
provide
a
pretty
robust
landscape
plan
that
would
really
meet
the
requirements
of
chapter
135,
the
landscaping
ordinance.
W
These
are
the
building
elevations
that
I
was
talking
about.
There's
two
that
I
really
want
to
bring
attention
to
for
the
commission.
It's
this
top
one
right
here
is
the
first
one.
So
this
is
the
front
of
the
building.
This
is
that
east
facade.
This
is
the
one
that's
going
to
be
facing
southwest
night.
So
this
is
the
main
entrance.
W
According
to
city
code,
they
have
to
have
at
least
18
percent
facade
transparency,
as
proposed
it's
roughly
about
eight
percent,
so
that
that
does
fall
short
and
really
staff
is
not
in
support.
Necessarily
these
long
blank
walls
and
so
we'd
like
to
see
a
little
bit
more
articulation
and
a
little
bit
more
transparency
in
terms
of
glazing
on
this
facade
and
then
the
same
thing
here.
This
facade
here,
that's
highlighted
with
my
cursor.
W
This
is
that
north
facing
facade
that
I
was
talking
about
the
one
that's
about
10
feet
off
the
property
line
facing
county
line
road
and
there
are
no
openings
here.
This
is
not
a
public
entrance
that
you
see
denoted
here,
so
just
to
give
you
an
idea
what
would
be
facing
the
street
this
one
up
here
is
what
would
be
facing
southwest
ninth
and
then
this
one
here
is
what
would
be
facing
county
line
when
you're
looking
at
that
building
being
cited
on
the
lot.
W
So
that
leads
us
into
the
staff
recommendation
again,
I'm
going
to
try
to
break
this
up
in
terms
of
the
three
chunks
that
I
talked
about,
the
uses,
the
building
siding
as
well
as
the
individual
building
design,
so
digging
into
the
staff
rationale
here,
part
d
discuss
the
uses.
So
commissioners
and
a
lot
of
the
applicants
are
familiar
with
des
moines
forum
based
code.
When
the
applicant
proposed
the
site
plan,
they
submitted
it
to
us.
W
Unfortunately,
with
the
way
that
the
zoning
code
is
written,
the
the
general
building
is
really
encouraged
or
is
really
caters
to
apartment
and
office
style
developments,
and
it
has
a
stipulation
in
there
that
that
caps,
the
amount
of
floor
area
that
can
be
voted
devoted
to
retail
uses.
This
building
is
a
dollar
general.
It's
a
retail
store,
so
it's
going
to
be
100
retail
uses
staff
recognizes,
there's,
there's
not
a
lot
of
wiggle
room
there
for
the
applicant,
we're
supportive
of
the
request
to
have
the
building
be
devoted
100
percent
to
retail
type
uses.
W
So
we
are
supportive
of
that
request
for
for
the
retail
uses,
leading
into
the
questions
on
building
siting.
So,
as
we
looked
at
before,
the
building
is
set
pretty
far
back
from
southwest
ninth.
What
is
proposed
is
does
not
meet
the
requirements
of
siting
buildings
closer
to
the
street,
with
the
bill
two
zone
and
lining
the
buildings
in
terms
of
a
primary
facade
coverage,
in
short,
with
a
pretty
open
site
that
has
a
lot
of
wiggle
room.
W
It's
it's
really
a
blank
slate
for
the
applicant
to
work
with
and,
as
we
talked
about
before,
there's
really
a
lack
of
a
built
environment,
commercial
context
in
the
area
staff
feels
that
a
more
creative
design
could
more
capture
the
intent
of
chapter
134,
the
zoning
ordinance
in
chapter
135,
the
planning
and
design
norton's
in
city
code.
So
what
exactly?
Is
that
intent?
W
The
plan
dsm
designation
for
for
this
area
of
town
or
this
corner
that
we're
looking
at
is
neighborhood
mixed
use,
which
makes
sense
given
its
location,
it's
on
a
primary
street
which
is
southwest.
Ninth,
it's
located
at
the
intersection
there
with
county
line
and
the
zoning
of
the
site
is
zoned
rx1,
which
is
a
mixed
use.
District
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about
zoning
tonight,
but
I
just
want
to
read
a
quick
definition.
W
The
placement
of
the
parking
area
and
the
entrance
the
way
it
is
the
parking
located
in
from
the
building
the
building
set
really
far
back,
is
more
consistent
with
the
site
design
that
you
would
find,
maybe
in
heavier
commercial
or
auto,
dominated
type
corridors
elsewhere
in
the
city,
so
think,
maybe
like
a
merle
hay
or
like
a
southeast
14th,
and
not
necessarily
this
context
that
doesn't
really
have
an
established
commercial
corridor.
Yet
it's
not
necessarily
a
neighborhood
scale
when
we
think
about
the
plan
dsm.
W
Zoning
designation
and
also
to
reiterate
too,
that
one
of
the
points
I
hit
on
earlier.
As
evidenced
by
the
aerial
that
I
showed
earlier
and
some
of
the
information
we've
already
talked
about
tonight,
we
really
think
that
the
development
of
the
site
is
an
opportunity
to
to
craft
a
long-term
vision
for
what
we
want.
This
corridor
to
look
like
as
more
of
a
neighborhood
neighborhood
scale,
node
versus
a
gateway
to
like
an
auto-dominated
corridor.
So
there's
really
kind
of
a
decision
there
tonight
in
terms
of
the
site,
design
choice
that
staff
isn't
taking
lightly.
W
So
that's
kind
of
the
summary
of
what
we
are
recommending
on
some
of
the
site:
the
site
elements
so
generally
staff
is
not
supportive
of
the
site
plan
as
proposed
in
terms
of
the
the
site
design,
but
we
are
really
encouraging
the
applicant
to
submit
a
revised
design
that
meets
the
intent
of
the
the
ordinance
in
terms
of
sighting
now
getting
into
some
of
the
building
design
elements.
The
first
one
I
want
to
talk
about
is
the
building
height.
W
I
already
talked
about
the
issue
earlier
with
you,
the
applicant
utilizing
the
general
building
designation,
one
of
the
other
things
with
the
general
building
designation,
even
though
it
was
probably
more
architecturally
compatible
with
the
building
that
was
proposed.
The
general
building
does
require
a
minimum
height
of
two
stories,
and
this
one
is
only
one
staff
and
looking
at
the
context
of
the
area,
the
use,
we
thought
it
was
appropriate
to
recommend
a
one-story
building,
and
so
we
are
in
support
of
that
design.
W
Alternative
request
that
you
would
find
in
part
c
and
then
also
back
to
the
transparency
point.
I
know
I
hit
on
that
a
little
bit
earlier.
We
looked
at
some
of
those
elevations
and
staff
generally
I'd
like
to
say
we
can
have
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
with
this.
We
understand
the
proposed
use
of
grocery
retailing.
W
Transparency
is
really
a
key
component
in
crafting
those
neighborhood
scale
buildings
that
we
were
talking
about
earlier
and
it's
necessary
to
craft
a
little
bit
of
visual
interest
to
give
the
neighborhood
a
little
bit
of
identity
a
little
bit
of
an
architectural
character,
the
blank
walls
that
currently
exist.
They
don't
accomplish
that.
W
The
last
item
I
wanted
to
discuss-
and
I
don't
I
didn't-
bring
this
up
earlier,
so
I
apologize,
but
the
applicant
is
proposing
some
rooftop
units
to
as
part
of
the
mechanical
components
of
the
building,
and
I
want
to
get
back
to
the
here.
We
go
it's
on
the
elevations
here
so
that
there's
a
it's
a
three-sided
parapet.
W
That's
proposed
so
the
the
parapet
roof
is
going
to
be
on
the
north
side,
on
the
east
side
of
the
building
and
then
also
on
the
south
side,
they're
not
proposing
a
pair
pit
to
screen
any
rooftop
mechanical
units.
On
the
sat
on
the
west
side
of
the
building.
Excuse
me:
they
have
proposed
this
sort
of
landscape
buffer
to
shield
it
from
the
adjacent
property
owner
staff
does
not
believe
it
is
appropriate
to
recommend
approval
of
that
design.
Alternative.
W
W
So
that's
the
basis
of
the
staff
recommendations.
I
also
wanted
to
show
a
little
bit
of
a
vision
board,
so
in
staff
we're
trying
to
work
with
the
applicant
a
little
bit
trying
to
come
up
with
a
staff
recommendation.
People
probably
are
aware:
dollar
general
is
a
pretty
big
chain,
there's
a
lot
of
stores
around
the
country,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
do
this,
and
so
you
know
they
have
their
templates.
They
are
a
company
that
you
know
they
want
to
come
in
and
they
want
to
build
things.
W
W
So
we
wanted
to
show
some
images
in
front
of
the
commission,
and
I
know
I've
talked
about
this
with
the
app
a
little
bit
too
and
just
give
an
idea
of
you
know
what
what
might
be
proposed
next
might
not
be
exactly
compatible
with
what
chapter
135
what
city
code
required.
But
there
are
certain
design
elements.
I
think
that
we
can
take
away
from
some
of
these
other
dollar
generals
that
have
been
developed
elsewhere
in
the
country.
W
So
the
first
two
I'm
going
to
show
you
are
kind
of
like
what
we
would
call
our
gold
standard.
If
you
will,
they
would
be.
You
know,
they're
really
well
designed
dollar
generals.
They
really
fit
nicely
into
the
community
context.
We
understand
that
the
applicant
may
not
be
able
to
design
them
exactly
this
way,
but
we
want
to
show
them
just
as
an
inspiration.
Basically,
first
one.
This
is
in
columbus,
ohio.
It's
a
little
bit
more
of
an
urban
context,
but
you
can
see
the
building
is
pushed
pretty
close
to
the
street.
W
W
Here's
here's
a
back
side
view
and
you
can
see
that
there's
a
parapet
that
expands
all
the
way
around
the
building
can't
see
the
rooftop
units
from
any
of
the
perspectives
and
there's
also
glazing
on
that
back
side
as
well.
Here's
a
site
view
of
that
same
dollar
general
in
columbus.
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
smaller
footprint
than
what's
proposed
here.
That
might
might
not
be
compatible
necessarily
with
the
applicant's
vision,
but
we
can
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
this
next.
W
W
W
This
one's
in
delano,
minnesota
and
staff
really
likes
the
way
that
this
sidewalk
in
this
pedestrian
entrance
leads
into
the
site,
and
we've
noticed
that
a
lot
of
other
dollar
generals
have
this
kind
of
corner
entrance
we'd
like
to
see
a
little
bit
more
glazing
on
this
one,
but
we
think
that
this
could
be
an
inspiration
to
the
applicant
as
they
work
to
redesign
the
building
and
then
one
little
bit
closer
to
home.
This
is
a
new
one
in
carlisle,
if
anybody's
been
buy
it
again.
W
G
I
have
two
questions
and
I
guess
one
of
them
similar
to
that
last
card.
First,
you
reference
autodominate.
What
makes
something
auto-dominated
and
what
characteristics
are
different
here
and
following
to
that
is,
is
the
getting
go
across
the
street,
reflective
of
a
walkable
environment
or
an
auto-dominated
environment,
meaning
if
you
were
to
look
at
that,
get
and
go
again
with
the
standards
you're
using
here
tonight.
Would
that
get
and
go
have
been
approved,
given
how
you're,
looking
at
this
building
yeah.
W
It's
a
great
question,
so
good
question,
so
the
get
and
go,
I
guess
I'll,
probably
I'll
go
backwards.
I
guess
so
I'll.
Try
to
answer
your
second
question
first,
so
the
get
go,
one
that,
in
terms
of
yeah
the
building
siding
the
way
it's
placed
away
from
the
street
got
the
fuel
canopy
kind
of
pushed
up
to
the
corner.
That
would
not
have
that
prob
that
would
not
have
met
the
the
provisions
of
the
this
chapter.
135
planning
and
design
ordinance.
W
I
guess,
in
my
definition
and
jason
feel
free
to
weigh
in
on
this,
but
really
we
think
you
know
when
something
is
auto-dominated,
it's
it
kind
of
prioritizes
the
parking
first
in
terms
of
the
site
design.
So
that's
really
the
principal
design
element
that
really
sets
the
stage
for
the
rest
of
the
building
being
cited
on
the
property
and
so
through
the
site,
design
and
I'll
go
back
to
the
site
plan
here.
Just
so,
I
can
talk
it
out.
A
little
bit
easier.
W
So
the
parking
lot
is
really
it's
the
primary
design
element
of
the
site.
It's
it's!
What
people
see?
First,
it
is
what
the
site
is
really
designed
to
cater
to
and
and
the
parking
lot
takes
precedence
in
the
sighting
and
the
building
is
really
cited
after
it.
So
I
guess
that's
what
I
would
mean
when
I,
when
I
say
auto,
dominated.
E
E
It's
all
those
things
put
together
that
we
just
I
don't
know.
I
don't
want
to
say
that
this
is
an
auto
dominant
use,
but
it
just
it.
It
leans
a
little
more
to
that
side
of
the
spectrum
than
what
we're
comfortable
with,
and
so
we
were
hoping
to
find.
You
know
something
with
the
applicant
that
kind
of
works
back
a
little
bit,
that's
more
of
a
balanced
approach.
E
That
could
be
a
variety
of
different
ways
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we
kind
of
challenged
ourselves
to
look
at
for
some
other
examples
you
know
is
this:
are
there
other
things
that
we
could
look
at?
You
know
we're
we're
very
you
know,
collaborative
and
try
to
find
solutions
with
folks,
and
so
that's
what
we've
tried
to
do
here.
G
Just
to
clarify
I
mean
I
don't
like
the
design
of
this.
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate
for
where
we
want
to
go.
I
guess
my
question
is
in
the
rationale
of
it.
I'm
concerned
when
we
say
you
know,
this
is
not
a
dominant
use
and
this
area
isn't
a
dominant
area.
I
know
carol's
probably
biked
here,
but
I
haven't,
and
I
don't
know
anyone
who's
probably
used
that
sidewalk,
if
you
haven't
parked
in
the
golf
cart
parking
lot.
So
I'm
just.
G
I
don't
disagree
that
I
really
really
like
the
columbus
example
like
the
new
orleans,
one
better,
even
right,
but
I'm
just
curious
about
a
rationale
when
we're
saying
this
isn't
a
dominated
area.
I
don't
I
don't
know
anyone
who
isn't
driving
down
there.
So
that
would
be
my
one
concern
and
the
way
we've
described
it.
R
B
A
R
G
I
mean
that's
fine,
that's
why
I
was
just
curious
how
we're
defining
auto
dominated
if
the
primary
mode
of
transportation
around
there's
a
dominated.
That's
what
I
thought
our
standard
was
in
previous
things
before
my
concern
is
more
consistency
versus.
I
agree
with
you.
I
would
like
it
going
in
the
corner.
I
would
like
it
being
less,
but
we
don't
know
where
this
whole
neighborhood
is
going.
It's
probably
hopefully
going
more
residential,
more
dense.
E
I
I
I
think,
what
we
were
trying
to
say
and
nick
that
did
a
good
job
of
showing
the
broader
ariel,
to
show
that
there's
a
lot
left
to
be
developed
in
this
area,
and
so,
while
in
and
again
internally,
we
had
all
these
discussions
too
about
like
what's
it
today
versus
where,
where
do
we
think
it
can
go
and
the
the
there's
not
there's
still
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
set
a
character.
I
mean
today,
obviously
to
the
south
that
area.
G
E
Yeah
no,
I
appreciate
that.
I
and
I
and
that's
I
guess,
that's
why
I
keep
talking
a
little
bit
and
and
lo,
but
I
want
to
elude
or
let
the
commission
and
the
applicant
and
the
audience
know
too
that,
like
as
staff
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
looking
at
this
talking
about
it
and
obviously
you
know,
we
use
words
and
to
try
to
describe
a
sense
of
what's
going
on
and
not
it
isn't
always
like
precise
as
to.
W
C
I
have
a
question
please
about
process.
I
notice
all
these
requested
waivers
by
the
applicant,
and
my
question
is:
was
each
of
these
items
discussed
with
the
applicant
and
with
staff
before
the
staff
recommendation?
In
other
words,
the
applicant
had
a
chance
to
feel
out.
If
you
will
what
the
staff
was
really
looking
for
in
terms
of
an
application.
Is
that
correct,
yeah.
W
That's
correct
the
so
the
applicant
has
had
three
submittals
and
kind
of
in
between
those
site
plans
and
middles
there's
been
conferences,
some
informal
picking
up
the
phone
talking
about
some
of
the
comments
talking
about
the
site
design,
some
a
little
bit
more
formal,
getting
together
and
meeting
and
talking
through
some
of
the
site,
design
possibilities,
and
then
also
staff
gave
the
applicant
the
staff
report
last
week
when
it
was
published
as
well.
So
they
could
view
it
ahead
of
time.
C
H
X
Nick,
if
you
do
me
a
favor
and
pull
up
the
landscape
plan
on
this
I'd
appreciate
it.
Seth
centerman,
bishop
engineering,
3501
104th
street
des
moines,
iowa,
starbuck
and
nick's
done
a
great
job
of
coordinating
with
us
back
and
forth
on
this,
and
we've
been
very
trying
to
work
within
the
bounds
of
what
the
city's
provided
us
for
direction,
but
also
looking
within
what
the
client
has
asked
for
and
working
within
their
standard
templates
and
also
working
within
their
model.
X
I
guess
their
market
model
for
what
they're
seeing
for
this
area
in
terms
of
the
use,
the
number
of
of
shoppers
they're
planning
to
see
and
just
kind
of
the
traffic
they're.
Looking
at
the
other
thing
we
look
at
in
terms
of
again,
I
know
that
we're
very
pedestrian-minded
within
the
city
of
des
moines
is
working
within
kind
of
somewhat
of
what's
been
this
set
precedent
or
what's
already
been
put
in
within
this
corner,
we
do
have
good
and
go
across
on
the
east
side
of
the
street.
X
We
have
a
full-size
parking
lot
for
the
golf
course
on
the
northeast
corner,
and
then
you
have
our
residential
on
the
north
and
west
side,
so
kind
of
explain
on
what
nick
is
kind
of
hinted
on
in
time.
In
terms
of
trying
to
group
the
usage
into
quadrants,
for
what
we
see
on
the
site
on
the
east
side,
we
do
have
get
and
go
so
we're
trying
to
provide
a
more
similar,
look
or
group
that
usage
together
with
get
go
across
the
street
for
the
overall
appearance
of
this
intersection,
and
then
on
the
north
side.
X
We
know
we
have
residential
and
then
on
the
west
side
residential.
So
what
you
see
here
is
we've
also
upped
our
landscape,
that
we
have
for
this
for
this
development
in
terms
of
providing
a
nice
facade
from
a
landscape
perspective
and
also
accommodating
the
adjacent
landowners
to
the
west
and
allowing
for
that
green
space
and
more
of
an
upscale
screening
to
kind
of
give
it
more
of
the
the
backyard
feel.
X
X
What
we've
utilized
here
is
really
trying
to
match
get
go
across
the
other
street,
because
they've
already
have
an
established
entrance.
We're
aligning
with
that
and
allowing
for
our
semi-truck
or
delivery
truck
to
be
able
to
enter
the
site
and
back
up
to
the
loading
dock
on
the
south
side
of
the
door.
X
We
place
the
loading
dock
on
the
south
side
to
screen
it
from
the
intersection,
and
so
when
you
start
looking
at
moving
this
to
the
northeast
corner,
you
start
pushing
the
loading
dock
and
our
deliveries
closer
to
visibility
and
it's
not
really
kind
of
shaping.
What
we're
trying
to
do
for
the
site
and
the
other
issue
is.
It
adds
a
second
entrance
which
is
going
to
come
out
on
east
county
line
road
right
now.
X
X
So
I
think
honestly,
the
nose
for
this
intersection
has
already
been
kind
of
set
in
terms
of
the
look
in
the
field
for
what's
already
been
placed
there,
and
so
I
feel
the
sight
is
working
within
the
set
parameters
that
has
already
been
provided
to
the
best
of
our
ability.
So
I
think,
and
tim
irving
here
is
able
to
speak,
probably
in
greater
detail
to
some
of
the
other
waivers
so
but
we're
really
looking
for
those
primary
waivers
of
setting
the
building
back
and
then
also
providing
for
that
evergreen
screen
on
the
west
side.
X
We
we
have
three
parapets
on
the
north,
east
and
south
side,
so
we're
providing
good
screening
and
then
we
bumped
up
on
that
west
side.
So,
in
terms
of
what
you're
going
to
be
seeing
with
the
screen,
that's
been
provided
on
all
sides,
it's
it's
negligible,
and
so
we
have
a
single
pitch
roof.
We
have
our
detention
based
on
the
west
side,
it
in
terms
of
a
functionality
and
design
perspective.
It
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
allow
a
no
parapet
and
just
simple
drainage
to
be
collected
into
that
west
basin.
X
And
then
our
final,
I'm
here
for
transparency
again,
I
think
he's
hinted
on
this
in
terms
of
the
what's
located
within
the
building.
It's
a
lot
of
freezers,
it's
a
lot
of
shelving
and
that
does
get
in
the
way
of
you
know
our
transparency
and
accommodate.
For
that
there
are
possible
terms
we
can
look
at,
but
we'd
be.
X
We
provide
a
very
nice
facade
and
again
we're
not
here
to
talk
about
building
materials.
We've
agreed
with
to
work
with
the
city
on
that,
and
so
we
don't
have
an
architectural
plan
here.
That
is
ready
to
go
for
you
to
review
so
we'd
have
to
that's
kind
of
been
pushed
down
the
road,
but
with
the
again
what
we're
seeing
across
the
street
up
by
by
the
corner,
with
this
being
set
back,
it's
kind
of
taken
back
some.
X
H
C
G
X
The
corridor
there
for
southwest
ninth
and
then
to
the
east
of
getting
go.
I
believe,
as
you
go
along
east
county
line
road,
but
when
you
look
throughout
the
whole
residential
area
to
the
north
and
to
the
west
there,
I
don't
think
there's
like
a
sidewalk
within
that
and
there's
nothing
long
to
the
west
of
east
county
west
along
east
county
line
road.
It's
a
lot
of
rural
sections
with
no
sidewalk
access,
just
clarifying
that
speaking
to
the
residents
as
well.
X
I
know
from
some
of
their
concerns
is
that
this
is
kind
of
east
county
line
roads,
it's
kind
of
a
highly
highly
trafficked
area
from
the
sounds
of
it
and
by
placing
the
building
up,
you
know
towards
the
towards
the
corner
of
the
intersection.
You
start,
you
know
it
won't
affect
site
triangles
to
such
degree,
but
you
start
eliminating
that
more
of
a
clear
line
of
sight
as
you
approach
an
intersection.
X
G
G
Yeah
nothing's
nothing's
built
you
could
do
you
know,
theoretically
anything
when
you're
looking
at
your
contract
with
the
actual
dollar
general.
What
is?
Is
there
significant
known
financial
impact
associated
with
going
with
a
new
design
at
this
point
in
time?
That
more
reflects
what
the
city
is
looking
to
do.
X
A
lot
has
to
do
with
the
program
that
they've
already
pushed
through
between
the
the
developer
or
the
builder
and
dollar
general
through
corporate.
So
this
is
based
on
a
market
study
that
they've
done
for
this
area.
It's
a
lot
has
to
do
with
the
square
footage
that
they're
wanting
to
place
in
the
meet
the
market
needs
that
they
see
for
this
area.
So
I
couldn't
give
you
a
dollar
cost
in
terms
of
say,
equipment
or
reducing
the
square
footage
or
facade.
D
Yeah,
so
your
your
last
answer,
I
think,
is
interesting,
because
it
explains
that
there
has
been
a
substantial
due
diligence
process
involved
with
this
development,
including
a
market
study,
or
at
least
a
market
analysis
under
india.
So
what
I'm?
What
I
find
curious
is
that,
as
a
part
of
that
due
diligence,
there
wasn't
a
more
comprehensive
review
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
X
They've
been
great
to
work
with,
but
keeping
more
towards
our
standard
template
that
they
that
they
work
off
of
across
all
their
contractors
across
all
developers,
and
I
know
that
there's
different
different
styles.
Different
templates
in
terms
of
that
are
somewhat
at
times.
Regional
some
are
local,
and
but
this
one
is
more
poor
per
the
the
square
footage
that's
needed
for
the.
What
they're
seeing
for
a
customer
base
in
this
area.
X
Guys
been
on
the
project
we've
been
on
it
for
and
this
thing
has
started
up
and
died
a
few
different
times
overall
time
span.
I
think
we've
been
on
this
for
nine
months
overall
from
first
submittal,
then
it
got
tabled
as
we
reviewed
this,
because
we
were
seeing
the
hurdles
in
terms
of
the
design
code
and
what
the
dollar
general
and
their
builder
was
wanting
to
achieve.
X
So
it
was
shelved,
and
then
there
was,
and
then
we
came
back
in
terms
of
there
is
a
cost
component
that
goes
with
this
and
wanting
to
make
sure
our
weight.
What
waivers
we're
working
with
and
what's
acceptable
by
the
city
before
proceeding
too
far
down
the
road,
because
there's
a
dollar
element
or
dollar
cost
that
goes
into
this
both
of
the
design
and
what
they're
willing
to
spend
per
project
right.
So
we
have
a
ceiling
yeah
and
we
started
up
approaching
that
quickly.
Sure
how
much
we're
like.
F
X
Say
for
the
when
the
codes
change
for
when
this
had
started,
but
it
was
the
first
time
approaching
the
I
guess,
working
through
those
codes,
both
from
an
architectural
standpoint
and
from
a
civil
standpoint
and
for
what
they're
willing
what
they're
wanting
to
achieve
so
in
terms
of
a
dollar
general
for
what
they've
brought
to
this
area.
For
this,
it
remains.
F
They
want
to
achieve,
but
it
it's
not
it's
not
necessarily
changing,
but
it
remains
at
odds
with
what
they
want
to
achieve
one
more
time,
please,
the
the
code
itself
hasn't
changed
or
been
in
flux,
but
it
remains
for
throughout
the
whole
nine
month
period
at
odds
with
what
they
want
to
achieve
and
you're
trying
to
navigate
that
yeah.
That's
fine!
Thank
you.
Thank
you
appreciate
it.
X
We
as
a
civil,
we
have
not
been
through
that
or
for
an
architectural
code
review.
This
was
the
building
that
was
provided
by
dollar
general
for
what
they're
seeing
implemented
and
we'd
start
working
through
architectural
components
and
that's
when
we
got
into
cost
prohibitive
how
much
they're
willing
to
spend.
X
I
guess
what
I
say
for
this
building
in
terms
of
acquiring
the
lot
and
the
because
material
costs
have
got
up
in
the
last
year,
it's
getting
fairly
expensive
and
then
you
also
have
lead
times
on
main
items,
so
everything
has
just
become
much
more
expensive
to
construct
and
then
also
equipment
when
you
have
freezers
the
other
items
that
go
into
these
stores.
It's
it's
been
a
challenge.
R
X
B
X
You'll
speak
to
that
and
just
real
quick,
I
think
I'll
come
back
to
an
item
that
we've
talked
about
in
terms
of
having
to
have
a
loop
or
two
connecting
drives,
because
the
nature
of
how
we
would
have
our
delivery
vehicles
enter
the
site
and
then
have
to
leave
that
puts
an
entrance
add-on
to
east
county
line
road.
So
you
basically
have
two
entrances
on
each
side
of
the
intersection.
So
that's
kind
of
it
has
its
own
issues.
X
I
would
think,
and
then
also
it's
outletting
onto
or
entrancing
off
of
the
main
residential
street,
so
we'd
like
to
keep
our
traffic
on
southwest
9th,
because
that's
the
main
corridor
and
that's
it
also.
This
is
just
a
you
know:
an
access
or
a
plus
to
it.
It
allows
people
on
south
west
nine
to
drive
and
see
the
how
full
the
parking
lot
is
as
well,
and
so
people
on
their
way
home
or
leaving
the
gas
station
can
do
a
quick
peek.
X
Look
across
the
road
see
how
many
parking
sales
are
available
if
it's
worth
their
time
to
to
pull
into
the
site,
and
so
you
don't
have
so
much
in
and
out
with
parking
behind
the
building
a
lot
of
people
times.
People
have
to
drive
behind
just
to
check
to
see
if
the
parking,
if
there's
parking
available,
I'm
not
saying
that
we're
going
to
get
that
many
clients
here
for
that
high
of
a
traffic
loading.
But
it
is
an
easy
way
to
just
do
a
quick
peek
on
the
site.
Z
Tim
urban
president
of
urban
development
corporation,
we
own
the
property
and
it's
being
under
contract
to
dollar
general,
to
develop
it
and
try
to
accommodate
all
your
requirements.
Now
try
to
be
succinct
and,
as
brief
as
I
can,
I
need
to
move
move
this
over
here.
Well,
I
guess
you
can't
yeah.
We
can
help
you
with
that.
Z
To
point
out
to
you
is
that
I've
owned
the
property
for
17
years
and
up
until
a
year
ago
it
was
suitable
for
either
multi-family
mixed
use
or
commercial
use,
and
we
never
did
find
a
suitable
commercial
user
for
the
property
until
donner
dollar
general
came
to
us
virtually
at
the
same
time.
You
were
adopting
this
ordinance.
Z
This
exhibit
attempts
to
show
you
that
most
of
the
commercial
land
development
in
des
moines
are
on
auto
oriented
commercial
streets.
However,
I've
listed
seven
what
I
call
traditional
pedestrian-oriented
neighborhood
districts,
highland
park.
Beaverdale
waveland
uptown,
dogtown,
cbd,
east
and
west
at
ingersoll
avenue-
and
there
are
a
few
other
spots
before
this
ordinance-
those
areas
under
npc,
meaning
neighborhood,
pedestrian,
commercial
zoning
which
allowed
buildings
to
be
at
the
street.
Z
Z
We
believe
very
strongly
that
this
is
an
auto-oriented
corridor
in
southwest
9th
and
it
will
always
be
an
auto
oriented
corridor
if
you
can
visualize
how
all
the
vacant
land
between
this
site
and
I-5
will
eventually
be
developed,
it
won't
be
developed
with
storefront
retail
up
on
southwest
9th
it'll,
be
developed
with
maybe
a
village
concept
or
something
of
that
neighborhood.
But
it
won't
happen
that
way,
and
yet
we're
asked
to
be
put
into
that
template
with
a
building
facing
southwest
ninth.
Z
Z
Z
Z
This
the
language
in
the
ordinance
stipulates
that,
if
50
of
the
development
area
around
the
property
in
question
is
compatible
with
proposed
use,
then
it
should
have
of
waiver
a
use
waiver
that
fits
that.
Well,
let
me
see
northeast
of
the
property
is
a
parking
lot
for
the
golf
course
directly.
East
of
the
property
is
a
get
and
go
south
of
the
property
is
all
vacant
land
that
will
be
developed
someday,
but
far
more
important
is
the
only
sidewalk.
Z
Access
to
this
property
comes
from
the
north
on
the
west
side
of
southwest
9th
to
the
intersection.
There
are
no
sidewalks
on
county
line
road.
Why?
Because
it's
an
open,
ditch
on
both
sides,
there's
no
place
to
build
a
sidewalk
in
the
public,
right-of-way,
there's
no
sidewalks
to
the
south
coming
up
from
the
south,
but
there's
only
one
residence
to
the
south.
At
this
time
the
rest
of
land
is
vacant.
Z
Z
So
to
summarize,
there
are
three
requests
we
made
one
that
the
building
be
placed,
as
shown
with
the
north
elevation
close
to
county
line
road
which
meets
the
letter
of
your
requirements.
That
mean
one
of
the
front
edges
is
close
to
a
street
two
that
the
screening
of
the
rooftop
equipment
be
done
with
the
objective
that
it
can't
be
seen,
because
that's
our
idea
when
you
screen
something
you
don't
want
to
be
able
to
see
it
from
the
pedestrian
level
surrounding
property.
Z
What
we
propose
is
evergreen
trees
along
the
west
property
line
that
would
screen
it
from
view
from
the
west.
The
alternative
is
to
build
a
six
foot
parapet
wall
all
the
way
along
the
back
side
of
the
building.
When
you
have
a
sloped,
roof
have
penetrations
that
can
be
a
nuisance
in
terms
of
maintaining
water
flow
off
the
building.
Sir.
D
I
was
just
going
to
say
before
the
before
the
meeting
started.
We
had
a
big
presentation
on
sidewalks,
we
had
a
giant
presentation
on
sidewalks
in
des
moines
and
we
have
952
miles
of
sidewalk
and
we
we
are
missing
667
miles
of
sidewalk
and
if
you
hang
in
there
for
40
years,
they're
all
going
to
be
filled
in
so
don't
worry
about
the
sidewalks.
My.
G
I'm
curious
because
we
are
saying
that
yes,
right
now,
it
doesn't
fit
the
context.
At
the
same
time,
I
build
a
building
off
of
a
cornerstone.
So
the
question
is:
what
is
the
time
horizon
that
you
think
would
be
appropriate
for
if
this
is
filled
in
then
complying
with
that
plan
would
make
sense.
So
right
now,
you're
saying
hey
below
south
of
it's
empty,
we're
expecting
that's
going
to
be
full
because
des
moines
is
awesome.
G
Z
Over
10
years
ago,
iowa
realty,
I
think,
had
a
master
plan
to
develop.
All
the
vacant
lands
south
of
this
property,
and
it
was
a
subdivision
with
some
commercial
development
tucked
inside
obviously
we're
in
a
new
era.
Now,
where
we're
thinking
well,
we
want
to
have
commercial
that
is
more
pedestrian,
friendly
and
accessible.
Z
But
generally
that
means
within
a
project
you
create
a
small
neighborhood
complex
and
you
bring
people
together,
try
to
understand
your
own
minds,
whether
you
actually
could
ever
envision
commercial
development
up
and
down
southwest
9th
from
this
location
to
I-5
that
would
be
on
the
street.
I'm
saying
it
would
never
happen
that
way.
I
can't
even
vision
as
a
developer
and
I've
done
mixed-use
development,
all
my
life-
I
don't
see
that
ever
occurring
and
yet
it's
being
required
on
this
property,
and
I
just
think
it's
such
an
anomaly
that
the
commission
has
to
understand.
A
F
Z
F
Z
F
F
I'm
I'm
not
asking
that.
I'm
asking
the
corner
plans
that
we've
seen
in
other
communities.
Have
they
shared?
Why
that's
infeasible
what
if
it
was
in
the
exact
same
spot
where
you're
at
set
back
just
like
you
have
it,
but
you
have
a
corner
entry.
That's
up
at
county
line
road.
Have
they
shared?
Why
they
can't
do
that.
Z
A
quarter
entry
building
is
such
an
anomaly.
It
certainly
doesn't
fit
any
of
the
templates
that
I've
ever
seen.
There
might
have
been
one
example
here
that
there
was
a
dollar
general
store
that
actually
had
a
corner
entry,
but
I
don't
know
who
developed
it,
and
I
don't
know
if
it
was
the
older,
the
property
than
at
least
at
the
dollar
general
there.
So
there's
a
lot
of
scenarios
that
might
make
the
exception.
The
rules.
Z
X
F
X
E
Thank
you.
If
I
could
share,
I
do
want
to
clarify
that
the
the
the
notion
there
would
our
traffic
transportation
division
would
allow
a
second
driveway
off
of
county
line
road.
So
that's
not
prohibited.
That
may
be
not
desirable.
You
may
feel
that
way.
That's
fine,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
the
record's
clear
that
that
is
not
an
obstacle
from
a
technical
standpoint.
E
I
also
want
to
note
that
the
come
and
go
at
31st
university
was
actually
approved
and
constructed
under
the
old
code,
not
the
current
code,
and
then
the
other
is
that
the
design
alternative
process-
and
I
tried
to
say
this-
a
lot
as
much
as
I
can,
because
people
feel
like
it's
a
punishment
that
comes
before
I
use
a
punishment.
It's
not
intended
to
be
a
punishment.
E
This
process
is
intended
to
be
an
outlet
to
allow
for
the
unique
characteristics
to
be
considered.
While
recognizing
that,
when
you
write
a
code,
you
can't
write
a
code
that
can
anticipate
everything
so
as
staff
we
never
see
the
design
alternative
process
as
a
punishment.
We
try
to
get
that
word
out
there.
That's
why
you
know
we.
We
do
our
best
to
be
collaborative
and
both
in
the
meetings
and
also
coming.
E
H
Y
AA
AA
There's
a
lot
of
kids
that
run
up
this
street
there's
a
proposed,
I
believe,
50,
tiny
home
project
for
the
homeless,
down
county
line
road.
That's
going
to
have
more
people
on
there.
So
if
there's
an
exit
off
this
side,
road
there's
a
chance
someone's
gonna
get
hit.
Also,
this
get-go
gets
robbed
a
lot.
It's
been
hit
three
times
by
cars.
AA
AA
AA
H
AB
AA
AB
I
can
tell
you
just
as
being
the
mom
of
the
neighborhood
I've
lived
there
for
20
years.
I've
raised
all
my
kids
here,
the
proposal
the
city
is
asking
for.
We
actually
came
here
today
in
opposition
to
the
proposal
we
had
been
sent
in
the
mail
and
after
meeting
with
him
and
hearing
their
proposal
compared
to
what
the
city
is
asking
for.
We
would
actually
like
to
object
to
disagree
with
the
city's
proposal
and
agree
more
with
theirs.
AB
We
have
too
many
kids
on
our
streets.
We
have
kids
that
have
to
walk
up
county
line
from
every
single
street
in
the
neighborhood
every
single
street.
That's
what
is
that
way
west
of
southwest
9th
street
those
kids
all
have
to
walk
up
county
line
road
with
no
sidewalks,
no
ditches
on
the
road.
That's
not
in
good
repair
to
the
bus.
Stop
at
the
corner
by
the
golf
course.
We
do
not
want
an
entrance
to
a
store
off
of
county
line
road
where
we're
going
to
have
at
two
or
three
o'clock
in
the
afternoon.
AB
All
of
our
kids
getting
off
the
buses
having
to
cross
county
line
road
go
on
to
you
know,
having
across
southwest
9th
go
down
county
line
road
where
there
are
no
sidewalks
and
then
having
large
semi
trucks
backing
in
and
out.
We
already
had
a
fatal
accident
at
the
corner
of
our
street
on
southwest
9th
place.
Just
this
year,
a
car
came
through
the
intersection
at
southwest
9th
too
fast
and
actually
ended
up
airborne
and
landed
on
top
of
the
roof
there.
We
already
have
issues
with
the
get
go.
As
you
said,
it's
robbed.
AB
Often
it's
there
are
people
using
drugs.
There
there's
you
know,
loitering
all
kinds
of
vagrancy,
all
kinds
of
undesirable
environment
that,
in
your
current
desire
to
have
the
building
at
the
front
corner
of
the
lot,
would
create
a
parking
lot
in
the
back
of
the
building,
where
it's
more
hidden,
it's
going
to
create
an
attractive
nuisance
in
our
neighborhood
and
draw
more
crime.
AB
The
request
for
the
more
transparency
in
the
windows.
Please
look
at
the
statistics
in
our
neighborhood.
It
does
not
seem
from
your
guys's
comments,
like
any
of
you
have
even
been
in
our
neighborhood
or
have
any
idea
of
what
goes
on
there.
It's
we're
like
a
small
town.
So
if
you
can
consider
our
small
area
like
a
very
small
town
like
you'd,
see
out
in
desoto
or
adele,
where
I
grew
up,
you
know
initially
before
I
moved
here
in
fifth
grade,
that's
more
what
our
neighborhood
is
like.
We
all
stick
together.
AB
We
text
each
other,
we're
all
very
close-knit.
We
want
something
that
fits
our
neighborhood.
That
fits
where
we've
been
most
people
in
our
neighborhood
have
been
there
for
over
20
years.
I'm
probably
one
of
the
newest
ones
there
and
I've
been
there
20
years.
If
that
gives
you
any
indication,
it's
a
very
well
established
neighborhood
we're
used
to
what
we
have.
We
would
prefer
something
more
like
the
getting
go
parking
lot.
The
you
know
strips
of
landscaping
in
between
the
road
in
the
parking
lot.
AB
The
similar
type
buildings,
similar
windows,
the
windows
at
get
go,
were
boarded
up.
Half
the
time
they
had
to
take
out
their
atm,
because
cars
drive
through
their
windows
to
rob
the
store.
We
have
the
south
side
becoming
more
increasingly
violent
and
criminal
behavior,
especially
with
the
younger
groups.
We
don't
need
to
be
creating
an
ideal
situation
for
this
to
exist
in
a
residential
neighborhood,
where
there
isn't
one
already.
I
can
tell
you
very
few.
People
in
our
neighborhood
walk
up
to
get
and
go
we're
right
there,
but
we
drive
it's
there.
AB
Aren't
there
aren't
very
many
sidewalks,
it's
not
very
safe
to
be
walking
their
county
line.
Road
is
in
disrepair,
so
we
don't.
You
know
we
don't
walk
it.
We
would
drive
it.
You
know
the
the
concerns
that
I
had.
I
guess
when
I
was
coming
were
more
about.
You
know
traffic
and
kids,
and
I
guess
more
now
more.
AB
My
concerns
are
with
the
city's
idea
for
and
visit
vision
for
our
area,
we're
going
to
be
starting
a
neighborhood
association
in
our
neighborhood,
so
we
can
have
more
say
in
what's
going
to
happen
and
be
brought
into
our
neighborhood
going
forward,
but
this
is
something
as
the
city
wants.
It
we're
very
opposed
to.
We
will,
as
a
group,
come
out
and
be
against
it
every
chance
we
have
any
time
it
comes
up.
We
will
create
and
maintain
a
safe,
our
safe
environment,
we've
created
and
maintained
for
our
children
over
these
20
years.
AB
AB
H
M
Thank
you
for
the
racks
that
you've
put
in
the
bike
racks.
That's
really
great!
Thanks
for
no
curb
cut
on
county
line.
I
think
that's
a
great
idea,
I'm
confused
about
having
no
west
parapet
for
the
neighbor
for
the
benefit
of
the
neighbors,
yet
you're
concerned
that
the
west
parking
lot
will
adversely
impact
the
neighbors
that
doesn't
quite
jive
in
my
mind,
but
it
also
is
a
good
opportunity
for
solar
panels,
as
other
big
box
stores
are
doing
throughout
the
country.
M
You
got
a
great
southern
exposure
there
that
goes
on
for
a
long
time.
You
don't
have
to
go
to
columbus,
to
see
more
glass
front
on
a
dollar
general.
You
can
go
to
2650
ingersoll
and
you
can
find
a
dollar
general,
that's
in
a
strip
mall,
but
it
does
have
a
lot
of
glass
front
with
other
brick
materials
and
the
over
parking
is
a
big
issue
that
is
discussed
at
the
city
council
level
and
is
not
something
that
des
moines
wishes
to
continue
or
to
be
a
part
of.
H
AC
Thank
you,
but
I
had
two
questions
just
for
point
of
reference.
That's
my
house.
954
I've
lived
there
27
years
and
except
for
the
new
gentleman
that
lived
here,
everybody
here
was
before
me.
So
it's
an
older,
established
neighborhood
and
we
all
have
septic
systems
because
we
were
not
part
of
the
city
when
that
development
was
built
back
in
the
70s
and
80s
and
with
age
we're
getting
more
seepage
with.
I
we're
convinced,
there's
some
underground
springs
in
that
area,
because
some
of
us
are
getting
water
perking
up
in
our
backyard.
AC
So
a
question
I
had
is,
and
again
I
don't
know
how
big
the
dollar
general
store
is
going
to
be.
But
assuming
that
you
put
something
here
here
here,
how
how
big?
And
how
are
you
going
to
handle
that
much
commercial
septic
system
and
where
overflow,
where
or
things
I
mean,
has
anybody
looked
at
that
from
an
overall?
Yes,
this
is
an
older
part
of
the
city,
even
though
it
was
recently
annexed.
AC
How
are
we
going
to
handle
the
excess
septic
and
then
the
second
question
I
have
is
that
is
going
to
be
a
big
parking
lot
and
see?
If
I
can
do
this
here
here
is
our
storm
sewer
here,
and
here
is
our
storm
sewer
here
and
as
rick
alluded,
their
ditches
they've
always
been
ditches,
an
issue
that
we
have
is
we
were
told
when
we
were
annexed
that
we
were
going
to
have
all
these
wonderful
things
done.
County
line
was
going
to
pay.
AC
We
were
going
to
get
new
schools
new
fire
stations,
but
one
of
them
was
we
would
have
a
chance
to
hook
up
to
city
storm
sewers
or
they
would
put
storm
sewers
in
and
we'd
be
able
to
hook
up
to
the
city,
sanitation
stores
and
as
that
stands
today,
that's
not
available
to
us
for
anybody
who
lives
south
of
the
county
line.
So
my
question
is
is
two
questions.
One
is:
where
is
the
septic
system
going
to
be
here
to
handle
a
store
and
two
with
that
much
parking
lot?
AC
AC
Y
X
We've
been
working
with
city
staff
in
terms
of
providing
a
sanitary
sewer
connection
with
for
this
property
coming
off
of
the
road
just
the
west.
I
think
it's
southwest
ninth
place.
There's
an
existing
sanitary
sewer
line,
we're
going
to
do
a
public
improvement
project
and
bring
that
sanitary
sewer
across
east
county
line
road
with
a
new
manhole,
so
they
can
be
split
in
the
future
to
go
east
or
west,
and
then
we'll
do
a
service
to
that.
In
regards
to
the
stormwater
management,
we're
going
to
be
the
site
currently
drains
east
to
west.
X
Going
from
up.
Oh,
it's
up
to
me.
Okay,
sorry
goes
east
to
west
and
it's
the
same
location
as
our
basin,
where
that
we're
following
the
net,
the
current
drainage
pattern
for
the
site,
we're
planning
to
install
a
full
a
detention
base
along
the
west
property
line
to
handle
the
large
storm
events
and
release
at
the
standard
five-year
allowable
release
rate
for
city
code.
So
we've
worked
with
city
staff
extensively
on
that.
X
Z
But
since
we're
going
to
have
to
come
back
to
you
regardless,
if
we
go
forward
with
the
concept
on
the
architectural
issues,
then
we
will
try
to
meet
with
them
and
make
sure
we
can
try
to
tighten
up
the
concerns
they
have
about
how
lighting
can
provide
more
security
and
those
kinds
of
questions,
because
those
are
easily
redressed.
I
think
other
than
that
I'll
leave
it
to
you.
Thank
you.
G
E
Our
thought
on
this
recommendation
is:
is
that
we're
not
satisfied
with
some
of
the
aspects
of
the
project
but
there's
an
opportunity
to
continue
working?
That
may
mean
that
it
would
have
to
come
back
again
once
we,
you
know,
for
setback
relief.
There
is
not.
I
mean
I
heard
somebody
say,
there's
a
staff
proposal
or
a
city
proposal.
There's
not
a
city
proposal,
we're
just
saying
there
needs
to
be
more
work
and
what's
been
presented,
isn't
satisfactory.
G
H
There's
no
city
proposal,
so
it's
not
like
there's
something
getting
approved
other
than
those
two
things
they
would
just.
This
is
just
a
furtherance
of
city
staff
working
with
dollar
general.
So
there
might
not
the
end
result
might
not
have
you
know
a
street
from
or
an
entrance
from
county
line
road.
That
might
not
happen.
That's
not
that's
not
on
the
table
right
now.
D
L
L
I
don't
have
as
much
of
a
beef
with
the
placement
or
setback.
I
do
think
I'm
not
sure
why
the
sidewalks
kept
coming
up
because
they're
not
asking
for
a
sidewalk
flavor,
but
I
think
they're
important
to
be
there.
If
you
live
four
houses
down
and
you
need
some
sugar,
you
don't
you
don't
want
to
walk
on
the
road
road
or
drive
down
four
house.
You.
O
L
E
E
G
E
Yeah-
and
it
would
only
be
if
the
applicant
really
felt
that
they
could
work
towards
like
some
of
abby's
comments
and
some
of
the
stuff
I
mean,
if
you
guys
gave
them
enough
design
direction.
That
would
just
save
a
little
bit
of
time,
but
that's
that
was
oh,
my
thank
you,
but
again,
that's
gonna.
The
applicant
has
to
understand
that
you're
expecting
them
to
come
back
with
something
different.
If
that's
not
something
they
feel
they
can
do.
Then
there's
probably
you're
right.
There's
no
sense
in
doing
that.
J
J
H
Z
I'm
getting
a
little
confused,
I'm
sorry!
We
cannot
proceed
frankly.
It
would
just
be
a
waste
of
your
time
and
ours
if
we
don't
know
how
we
can
resolve
the
sight
issue
with
the
placement
of
the
building,
if
we
can't
get
that
resolved
tonight,
where
are
we
we're
just
back
the
same
arguments
that
we
had
tonight?
So
I
don't.
I
know
for
sure
that
dollar
general
will
not
accept
putting
the
building
up
toward
the
street.
That's
that
simple
right!
If
that's
what
you
prefer.
E
Done,
I
think
what
I've
heard-
and
I
don't
know
if
abby's
comments
reflect
other
people's-
is
that
there
is
an
interest
by
the
commission
to
have
some
setback
from
county
line
road.
I
think
they
feel
that
maybe
what's
been
provided
is
more
than
it
needs
to
be,
instead
of
just
arbitrarily
picking
a
number
they'd
rather
see
a
drawing
that
shows
the
where
what
what
kind
of
relief
you
you
can
meet.
Z
I'm
just
saying
the
site
plan
we've
submitted
is
all
or
nothing
proposition,
because
it's
the
only
way
you
can
provide
adequate
parking
in
front
of
the
building
with
storm
detention
behind
it
and
loading
on
the
south
side.
It's
that
simple
we've
one
went
through
lots
of
different
reiterations
to
arrive
at
that
solution,
so
either
you
put
the
building
up
to
the
street,
and
then
you
load
everything
behind
on
the
other
side
that
that
will
work,
but
it's
not
acceptable
to
dollar
general.
E
I
don't
think
that
I
don't
know
that
the
architecture
is
going
to
come
back.
I
think
what
I
heard
from
the
commission
is
is
that
some
parking
is
set
back
up.
A
ninth
is
acceptable,
but
maybe
how
the
setback
that
you've
provided
there's
the
green
space
separation
from
the
sidewalk
there's
also
the
double
row.
You
know-
maybe
it's
maybe
it's
shaving-
that
distance
down
those
kinds
of
things
that
to
get
the
building
a
little
closer
and
enhance
the
pedestrian
connectivity.
Z
P
C
H
E
Yeah,
hopefully
the
commission-
I
sent
out
an
email
right
before
the
meeting.
I
you
know
I
can't
remember
if
I've
I
can't
remember
if
I've
shared
with
this
group,
that
we
are
undertaking
a
city-wide
historic
preservation
plan
effort.
The
last
time
the
city
did
a
historic
preservation
plan
was
in
1995,
so
it's
way
past
due
it
is
a
goal
of
planned
dsm
to
do
this.
E
We
are
doing
that
kind
of
that
public
meeting
outreach
on
a
thursday
evening.
We've
set
up
a
time
where
you
can
swing
by
get
the
presentation
provide
some
thoughts
on
your
way
to
this
meeting,
because
you'll
have
a
pnz
meeting
that
evening,
but
we're
going
to
do
other
avenues
of
public
input.
We'll
have
electronic
input,
there'll
be
future
meetings.
This
is
kind
of
just
the
kickoff
process
and
so
you're
all
invited.
Hopefully
you
can
share
kind
of
spread.