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From YouTube: 12-01-22 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, December 1, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
Very
much
yeah.
A
Thank
you
all
right,
so
I'll.
If
we
could
have
everybody's
attention
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started
with
the
5
30
session
I,
we
might
have
a
couple
more
Commissioners
roll
in,
but
most
everybody
they
were
expecting.
Are
here,
we'd
like
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
the
effort
that
we're
in
the
middle
of
doing
the
cities,
doing
a
new
historic
preservation
plan
for
the
city.
The
last
one
has
been
was
in
the
90s,
so
it's
way
past
due
and
Stacy
Hanley
with
our
office
is
here
today
with
us
tonight.
A
She
is
the
point
person
she's
been
with
us
for
a
few
months,
and
this
is
a
great
project
for
her
to
start
with
and
run
with
and
she's
going
to
kind
of,
walk
you
through,
where
we're
at
in
the
process.
What
we've
heard
so
far
kind
of
some
things
that
we're
doing
as
far
as
looking
at
things
with
an
equity
lens
and
what's
left
so
with
that
I'll
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
to
Stacy
right.
C
C
C
So
the
first
preservation
plan
for
the
city
of
Des
Moines,
written
in
1995,
laid
the
groundwork
for
a
preservation
program
and
recognizes
the
importance
of
historic
resources,
Partnerships
and
tools
to
protect
historic
areas
of
Des
Moines.
This
updated
plan
will
build
on
that
success
of
the
previous
plan
and
then
continue
that
work,
and
this
work
will
address
contemporary
preservation
plan
topics,
including
mid-century,
modern
buildings,
intangible
historic
resources
and
creating
an
equitable
plan.
C
Leading
the
effort
is
the
historic
plan
Consultants
from
Kendig
Kiest
collaborative,
and
they
have
a
subconsultant
who
is
then
charged
with
leading
the
inclusion
and
Equity
portion
of
the
project,
and
her
name
is
Susan
West
Montgomery
development
services
staff
are
also
involved
and
the
City
of
Des
Moines
residents.
In
several
formats
we
have
an
advisory
committee.
We've
been
in
contact
with
several
stakeholder
groups.
We've
had
public
input
sessions.
C
We
have
a
group
called
the
community
outreach
cohort,
which
I'll
tell
you
a
little
bit
more
about
in
the
further
on
in
the
presentation,
but
that's
an
exciting
new
way.
That
planning
is
trying
to
get
further
Outreach
Beyond
traditional
methods
we've
seen
in
the
past,
and
then
we've
had
our
survey
participants.
C
This
is
a
brief
overview
of
our
schedule.
Phase
one
the
kickoff
is
complete.
We
are
in
between
phase
two
and
phase
three
right
now,
we're
currently
reviewing
the
existing
preservation
program
and
also
looking
forward
to
the
future
of
the
program
with
drafting
starting
to
draft
the
beginning.
The
outline
of
the
new
preservation
plan
phase
four
will
see
that
preservation
plan
fully
developed
and
then
phase
five,
which
will
be
the
completion
of
the
project
in
the
summer
of
2023,
will
be
the
adoption
of
that
preservation
plan.
C
A
big
effort
recently,
which
you
may
have
heard
about,
was
our
public
input
survey,
which
was
online
via
SurveyMonkey,
we're
very
proud
to
say
it
had
541
survey
responses
and
two
in
our
Spanish
version.
We
provided
it
in
both
English
and
Spanish
and
it
closed
on
October
28th.
It
was
live
for
approximately
one
month.
This
is
our
opening
slide,
saying.
Welcome
to
the
the
survey
and
giving
some
information
about
why
we're
having
the
survey
the
following
slides
are
going
to
be
a
brief
overview
of
what
the
survey
responses
were
like
so
question.
C
One
asked
if
you
lived
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines
and
then
there
was
a
link
to
a
map,
so
that
residents
could
confirm
if
they
did
live
within
the
city
limits.
82
percent
of
our
survey
participants
lived
within
Des,
Moines
and
then
question
three.
How
long
have
you
lived
in
Des,
Moines?
46
of
the
respondents
have
lived
in
Des
Moines,
at
least
20
years,
so
we
were
pleased
to
see
people
answering.
The
survey
did
have
a
good
history
with
city
of
Des
Moines
53
percent
worked
within
the
city
of
Des
Moines.
C
85
percent
of
respondents
were
white
and
the
Outreach
cohort
that
I'll
go
through
in
a
little
bit.
We're
hoping
that
that
will
be
a
way
that
we
can
get
a
more
diverse
and
inclusive
response
to
some
of
these
questions
and
get
input
on
what
the
future
of
historic
preservation
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines
will
be.
Like
so
questions,
8,
9
and
10
start
to
ask:
how
do
you
currently
get
information
about
historic
preservation
and
what
kind
of
things
are
you
familiar
with?
C
So
this
one
was
really
intriguing
in
the
fact
that
you
can
see
about.
75
percent
of
respondents
said
they
were
familiar
with
local
historic
districts,
but
far
fewer
less
than
20
percent
understood
what
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
is.
So
that's
showing
that
there's
a
lack
of
Education
going
on
about
all
of
the
nuances
and
how
to
do
work
in
the
local
historic
district.
So
this
identified
an
opportunity
for
education
for
the
residents
of
Des
Moines
and
then
in
survey,
question
9
and
10.
It
started
to
talk
about
where
you
get
your
information
and
So.
C
C
If
you
wanted
to
have
additional
information
and
then
at
the
end
of
the
survey
we
had,
we
provided
a
place
for
them.
To
put
would
you
like
to
learn
more
about
this
ongoing
effort?
If
so,
you
can
be
part
of
our
email
subscription
list
and
we
had
a
hundred
people
say
they
wanted
to
hear
more
information.
So
we
were
really
pleased
about
that.
So
now,
I
think
our
email
subscription
list
was
at
eight
and
now
it's
at
108.
So
we
got
a
lot
of
interested
folks
from
this.
C
So
the
next
group
that's
continuing
this
public
survey.
Public
Outreach
is
the
community
outreach
cohort
and
the
intent
with
this
group
is
to
address
the
lack
of
participation
that
has
occurred
recently
in
planning
we're
finding
it's
hard
for
people
to
get
out
and
get
involved
in
the
community
covet
I'm
sure
has
been
a
part
of
that,
but
we've
we've
found
less
engagement
and
our
Consultants
have
agreed
in
that
assessment.
C
So
they
propose
that
we
create
a
group
of
eight
to
ten
residents
of
Des
Moines
that
would
go
out
into
their
Community
interview,
their
friends,
their
colleagues,
their
family,
their
community
and
get
that
one-on-one
interaction
and
input.
So
it
was
Community
talking
to
community.
It
was
not
this
other
or
person
coming
in
from
the
city
to
speak
to
them
and
from
that
the
goal
would
be
to
get
a
lot
of
candid
and
honest
open
information.
This
is
a
new
technique
in
the
planning
world.
C
It's
only
been
used
in
a
couple
of
other
communities,
so
we
were
a
little
bit
of
an
experiment
and
it's
been
really
cool
to
see
it
come
together.
It
has
had
its
struggles
as
well.
We
had
a
hard
time
finding
this
group,
so
what
the
group
ended
up
being
was
eight
people,
we
had
a
couple
people
decline
and
we
have
five
students
from
Hoover
who
are
participating
and
in
exchange
for
that
they're
going
to
receive
some
mentoring
and
some
professional
job
shadowing
opportunities,
so
that
was
their
agreement.
C
This
is
also
a
paid
position,
so
they
signed
a
contract
saying
we're
willing
to
put
in
this
much
effort.
Do
this
many
interviews
in
exchange
for
an
amount
of
money
that
will
be
paid
through
Kennedy's
collaborative
so
the
group
had
their
kickoff
meeting
initially
here
in
this
room
and
it
was
led
virtually
by
the
consultants
and
from
there
they
have
been
sent
out
into
the
community.
C
I
have
provided
as
much
help
as
I
can,
with
one-on-one
virtual
meetings
or
phone
calls,
sometimes
they're
very
responsive
other
times,
they're
not,
but
we
did
have
a
touch
base
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
they
wrapped
their
session
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
no
sorry
in
a
week
and
we
hope
to
have
10
additional
surveys
from
these
eight
people.
So
it's
like
a
survey
but
in
much
more
depth
collecting
stories
and
information
about
these
communities.
C
Another
part
of
the
effort
is
our
Equity
inclusion
audit
report
and
we
assessed
a
total
of
nine
programs
listed
above
some
in
development
services
and
some
in
neighborhood
services.
So
we
worked
with
neighborhood
services
staff
to
complete
these.
It
was
led
by
staff
and
then
overseen
by
Susan,
West
Montgomery,
who
is
the
consultant?
C
The
findings
of
the
equity
and
inclusion
audit
report
include
the
financial
implications,
have
an
have
unequal
consequences
on
our
programs
actual
and
perceived
inequity
and
access
and
benefits.
There
are
barriers
to
participation,
lack
of
survey
as
in
historical
preservation,
survey
limits.
Inclusion
of
all
stories
currently
no
means
to
prioritize
equity
and
inclusion,
and
there's
a
lack
of
diversity
in
staff
and
boards.
D
This
yeah
start
at
findings.
D
D
Moving
forward,
yes
on
the
the
equity
piece,
I'd
actually
go
one
more
slide
ahead.
I
think
it's
not
the
action
item.
A
That's
it.
The
the
plan
when
it's
finalized
will
have
goals
in
it.
That
I
think
some
things
that
we'll
be
looking
at,
at
least
from
my
perspective,
are
some
very
early
things
to
do
would
be
translation
of
some
of
our
documents
into
other
languages
from
a
historic
survey,
work
perspective
where
I
don't
think
we've
done
in
the
past,
the
focus
has
been
a
little
more
architectural
I.
A
Think
there's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
look
at
some
of
the
communities
that
haven't
been
analyzed
and
documented
from
a
perspective
of
this
is
a
neighborhood
or
an
area.
That's
important
to
this
specific
community,
so
I
I
think
as
we
look
for
grant
funding
to
supplement
City
resources
to
do
survey,
work
we'll
look
to
address
that
the
the
other
things
I
think
that
might
come
out.
The
recommendations
of
the
plan
would
be
also
either
creating
specific
funding
programs
or
better
aligning
individuals
that
do
live
in
our
local
historic
districts
to
utilize.
A
A
But
I
do
one
thing:
I
I,
I've
valued
this
exercise
in
in
this
doing
this,
for
just
historic
preservation
and
I
Envision
us
looking
at
other
aspects
of
planning
and
things
and
in
our
within
our
division
that
we
work
on
stuff
that
you
see
as
well.
A
D
Right,
okay
and
I
think
it
was
two
my
questions,
two
prong
and
why
I
said
how
would
you
evaluate-
and
what
would
trigger
that
is.
My
next
part
was:
is
there
a
process
that
a
complaint
can
kick
off
that
evaluation
or
kick
off?
D
Is
this
specific
line
in
the
code
Equitable?
Is
it
creating
this
barriers
because,
as
a
person
that
just
got
done
running
for
office,
that
was
one
thing
that
I
would
hear
a
lot
is
we
would
complain-
and
it
just
felt
like
well
it's
because
of
the
rules
or
they're
they're
set
this
way.
Instead
of
just
taking
a
step
back
and
say:
okay,
these
people
are
disportionately
being
underserved
and
underrepresented.
How
can
we
make
sure
it
is
Equitable
by
giving
another
thousand
dollars
or
whatever
it
be,
to
meet
in
people's
needs?
D
A
Yeah
I
mean,
if
it's
more
of
a
statement
right
I
mean
if
anybody's
aware
of
some.
You
know
specifics,
I
mean
we
can
try
it
depending
on
what,
depending
on
what
the
situation
is
I
mean.
Is
it?
Is
it
related
to
how
our
you
know
is
it
related
to
process?
Is
it
related
to
code
requirements?
Is
it
related
to
outreach?
A
You
know
it's
gonna
our
reaction
and
how
we
address
that
is
going
to
vary
based
off
of
what
the
circumstances
so
I
I
I
don't
want
to
get
like
can't,
say
every
time
we're
going
to
do
exactly
the
same,
but
the
what
I
really
enjoyed
about
this
process.
Is
that
or
the
value
of
it
is
it's
really?
The
first
question
you
ask
yourself
is
well
what
was
the
intent?
A
What
are
we,
what
are
you
trying
to
actually
achieve
with
this
either
requirement
or
process
and
then
and
then
talk
about
well
where,
where
is
that
failing
some
communities,
it's
so
it's
always
starting
from
the
positive
and
that
there
was
a
good,
a
positive
intent.
It
was
well
me
well
well-meaning,
but
where,
where
is
that
hole?
Where
is
that
Gap
and,
and
then
once
you
re,
you
identify
what
the
where
the
whole
or
Gap
is.
Then
you
can
start
thinking.
How
can
we
fix
that
so
that
could
be.
That
could
be.
A
You
know,
for
instance,
with
regard
to
local
historic
district.
Maybe
it's
not
getting
rid
of
a
local
historic
district,
but
maybe
it's
doing
a
better
job
or
providing
resources
to
those
who
need
help
navigating
the
process
or
you
know
making
improvements.
You
know
those
kinds
of
things,
so
it's
I
don't
know.
Does
that
help
answer
the
question?
Okay,.
C
C
And
I
can
speak
to
the
process
a
little
bit,
so
the
programs
we
assess
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
process,
which
is
how
you
proceed
with
getting
authorization
and
approval
to
do
work
in
a
local,
historic
district,
demolition
of
historic
buildings,
ordinance,
The,
Landmark
program,
local
historic
district,
designation,
National
register
designation
criteria
and
then
under
Neighborhood
Services
was
Blitz
on
blight
home
funds,
improving
our
neighborhoods
and
blighted
properties
rehab
and
our
consultant,
who
is
leading
the
equity
inclusion
effort.
She
gave
us
a
list
of
six
questions.
C
C
Even
though
there
is
a
general
awareness
of
historic
preservation
and
historic
districts
in
the
city,
there's
a
lack
of
connection
between
those
things,
and
so
we
started
to
see
some
of
that
in
our
own
assessment.
You
know
how
do
we
have
public,
Outreach
and
education
so
that
it's
a
fair
and
Equitable
process
for
those
who
aren't
familiar
with
city
government
and
all
the
steps
that
go
into
applying
for
COA
or
getting
your
neighborhood
in
a
historic
district,
Etc.
A
Or
even
the
the
differences
between
being
in
a
national
registered
designated
District
versus
the
local
historic
district
is
the
national
register.
District
is
largely
honorary.
There's,
no
real,
let's
use
in
federal
funds.
It's
there's
just
not
there's
no
real
teeth
to
it.
You
can
tear
a
building
down,
for
instance,
and
so
I
think.
There's
also
confusion
on
that,
because
we
don't
really
have
we
have
three
local
historic
districts
in
Des
Moines.
We
have
way
more
National
research,
districts
and
I
can't
think
of
the
number
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
anyway.
D
So
so,
I
only
brought
that
up.
Equity
is
very
important
to
My,
Life
and
I
think
it
should
always
be
top
priority
going
forward
in
this
country,
but
I
think
in
the
complaints
that
you'll
start
to
hear
and
see.
That's
where
we
can
make
a
lot
of
improvements
and
catch
those
folks
that
are
typically
falling
through
their
cracks.
So
that's
why
I
was
just
kind
of
not
pressing
you,
but
seeing
if
there
was
a
complaint
process.
A
But
if
you
have
I
mean
this
process
isn't
over,
if
anybody
on
the
commission
has
either
groups
that
you
want
us
to
talk
to
or
have
you
know
specific
things,
whether
complaints
or
let
us
know,
we've
I
I
think
we
have
a
meeting
coming
up
with
the
stock
or
Park
neighborhood
that
asked
they
just
they
were
had
heard
about
the
project
and
wanted
to
know
more
so
we've
agreed
to
go
to
that.
We've
met
with
several
other
kind
of
smaller
groups
throughout
the
process.
A
So
it's
not
we're
not
done
doing
that
I
mean.
Obviously
the
survey
is
closed
and
and
just
to
get
done
with
the
project
we
eventually
have
to
move
forward
to,
like
a
drafting
of
the
document
base,
the
advisory
committee
we
kind
of
glossed
over.
That
is,
we
worked
really
hard
to
get
the
advisory
committee
to
be
representative
of
the
the
the
makeup
of
Des
Moines
as
far
as
like
having
representation
from
the
different
communities
within
the
city.
A
So
we
have
a
diverse
advisory
committee,
both
from
like
a
race
perspective,
but
also
some
diversity
and
perspective
too.
We
have
non-profit,
we
have
a
you
know
developer.
We
have
you
know
a
couple
PNC
Commissioners
historians,
but
individual
has
done
Rehab
on
their
own.
You
know
just
a
variety
to
try
to
bring
all
these
different
perspectives
together.
D
F
A
F
Exactly
I
have
one
other
quick
question:
it's
a
suggestion,
I
like
when,
when
we're
talking
about
local
districts
and
certificates
of
appropriateness
and
so
forth,
I
think
the
phrase
lack
of
awareness,
maybe
is,
in
my
mind,
preferred
over
lack
of
Education.
Lack
of
education
is
pejorative.
C
F
Lack
of
awareness
I
think
it's
more
generic,
so
that
would
be
a
suggestion
in
terms
of
just
a
phrase.
But
my
other
question
is
this:
I'm
really
interested
in
the
work
with
the
cohort
works,
the
students
from
Hoover
and
so
forth,
and
I'd
like
if
you
could
give
us
just
a
brief
idea
of
some
of
the
surprises
that
out
forward
to
you.
C
Some
of
the
surprises
include,
you,
don't
have
the
full
assessment
yet
from
what
they
have,
but
just
working
with
them
and
the
amount
of
enthusiasm
they
brought
to
the
table
was
a
surprise.
I
thought.
Maybe
there
would
be
some
hesitation,
but
we
had
a
pretty
motivated
group
of
young
students.
Come
forward.
I
actually
went
to
Hoover
and
spoke
to
the
ijag,
which
is
Iowa
jobs.
C
I
forget
the
full
acronym,
my
apologies,
but
it's
a
group
that
helps
get
students
ready
for
careers,
Beyond,
school
and
so
I
had
a
connection
with
Hoover
and
went
and
spoke
to
one
of
the
teachers
there
and
I
spoke
to
two
of
the
classes
and
when
I
was
there,
the
teenagers
couldn't
really
tell
if
it
was
hitting
home,
but
later
I
got
a
lot
of
enthusiastic
responses
and
our
our
docket
of
spots
for
the
high
school
students
filled
up
really
quickly.
So
that
was
a
bit
of
a
surprise.
C
So
I
was
really
enthusiastic
about
that
and
I
was
hopeful
that
we
would
have
a
little
bit
more
engagement
with
them
moving
forward.
But,
as
is
with
most
people
and
especially
I,
feel
like
young
people
who
are
busy,
their
engagement,
kind
of
has
come
in,
you
know
fits
and
then
it
kind
of
slows
down
so
I'm
excited
that
we're
wrapping
up
everyone's
getting
really
engaged
right
now.
C
I
think
now
that
the
deadline
is
here,
we're
really
seeing
a
lot
of
action,
so
I'm
excited
to
see
what
the
surveys
come
back,
as
we've
only
had
a
couple
of
surveys
submitted
so
far,
so
we
haven't
seen
a
lot
of
their
work
yet,
but
everyone
has
said
that
they
have
10
surveys,
so
we
that
should
be
80
interviews
to
work
from
and
then
their
portion
of
the
process.
Their
agreement
was
to
do
this
month-long
work,
which
is
a
significant
engagement
and
then
from
there.
C
They
will
then
review
the
plan,
the
draft
plan
document
in
the
spring,
so
that
was
when
they
that's
when
they
received
the
second
half
of
their
payment,
so
they
kind
of
are
getting
it
in
two
different
chunks
so
that
we
keep
them
engaged.
So
then
there
to
review
and
provide
commentary,
then
so
I'm
excited
to
see
what
we
come
back
with.
C
E
Can
I
ask
I,
have
four
questions?
We
don't
have
to
answer
them
all
if
we
can
take
notes
and
do
it
later,
awesome
I
guess
my
four
questions
are
Susan
West,
Montgomery
she's
out
of
Maryland.
Is
that
right?
Okay?
What
percent
are
respondents
because
you
identify
people
like
set
on
the
map
where
they
are?
What
percent
of
respondents
lived
in
a
historic
district,
local,
historic
district?
E
We
know
that
we're
what
we're
currently
doing
is
inequitable.
That's
I
think
Beyond
challenge
the
question
I
guess
I
have
is
in
the
philosophy
you're
employing
here.
How
is
it
proposed
that
we'll
know
when
we're
suitably
Equitable
and
the
last
one
I
have?
Is
you
know
what
is
a
core
focus
of
preservation
as
we're
looking
at
from
this
perspective?
E
This
time,
like,
for
example,
I
used
to
live
in
Sherman
Hill,
so
I'm
familiar
with
it,
the
concept
of
Sherman
Hill
is
we
want
to
be
exactly
like
it
was,
whereas
in
San
Francisco
the
concept
is
we
want
to
ensure
there's
no
access
to
loss,
so
you
have
the
ability
to
modernize.
As
long
as
you
have
the
you
have
the
have
the
requirement
there
that
you
have
access
to
tear
back.
E
How
are
we
looking
at
it
in
in
this,
because
I
think
that
also
drastically
affects
I,
don't
know
how
many
times
we've
heard
about
Jay
gutters
versus
half
rounds,
you
know
and
I
have
from
stock
or
whatever.
There
are
significant
issues
when
I
can't
replace
my
window
for
any
less
than
sixteen
hundred
dollars
in
Sherman
Hill
that
I
can't
live
in
most
of
it
so
and
that
affects
how
we
actually
view
preservation
as
a
function.
So
those
are
my
four
questions.
I
know
we're
out
of
time.
A
A
It
might
suggest
you
know
revisiting
the
design
guidelines
or
revisiting
how
you
do
things,
but
it
wouldn't
we're.
Not
specifically,
at
this
point
saying
exact,
you
know
like
getting
into
the
that
level.
Minutia.
E
G
E
Don't
know
that
my
design
guidelines
awesome
not
concerned.
My
issue
is
how
we
view
preservation
and
what
the
function
of
preservation
definition
of
preservation
is
will
impact
what
those
design
guidelines
are
or
impact,
how
accessible
an
accommodation
is
I'm
curious.
How
are
we
doing
it
number
one
and,
but
most
importantly,
we
say
Equity
all
the
time
and
I
think
many
ways
to
disappoint
it's.
It's
not
just.
How
will
we
review
it,
but
how
will
we
measure
it?
We
can
say
all
day
that
we're
not
succeeding.
C
Good
questions,
percentage
of
respondents
living
in
historic
districts,
I
can
get
back
to
you
on
that
I
know.
We
have
data
about
the
ZIP
code.
I'll
have
to
look
further
into
the
data
to
see
if
we
can
identify
percentage,
responding
in
historic
districts
knowing
quantifiably
when
we
are
Equitable
I,
don't
know.
If
that's
possible,
we've
asked
the
same
question
to
our
consultant.
We
have
asked
you
know:
how
can
we
make?
How
can
we
know
we're
hitting
the
Target?
C
How
do
we
get
to
the
communities
that
didn't
answer
the
public
input
survey
online
or
have
have
not
come
to
the
public
input
sessions
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
opened
it
up
to
a
group
of
people
and
these
volunteers
step
forward
and
were
enthusiastic
and
we've
we've,
given
them
the
tools
to
go
forth
in
their
communities
and
basically
collect
stories,
find
out
what's
important
about
Des
Moines
to
them
a
lot
of
place,
making
a
lot
of
Story
collection
and
not
looking
at
just
the
architecture
that
was
built
by
people
with
means,
but
instead
looking
at
the
places
that
make
up
the
culture
and
community
of
all
of
the
residents
of
Des
Moines,
and
so
one
of
the
things
Susan
has
told
us
is
that
we
won't
know
for
sure
if
this
is
as
successful
as
we
want
it
to
be.
C
There's
there's
not
a
great
way
to
quantify
it.
If
you
know
one
I
would
love
to
know,
but
we
are
right
now
doing
our
best.
It's
a
bit
of
an
experiment.
I
think
she
said
where
maybe
the
third
community,
that
is
using
this
cohort
technique,
and
so
it's
it's.
The
best
effort
to
get
out
there
and
get
the
information
and
make
it
as
Equitable
as
possible.
C
A
Now
that
doesn't
mean
that
you
should
get
away
from
having
districts
that
you
are
into
the
detail
on,
but
it's
broadening
the
real
the
thought
of
what
is
significant
and
so,
and
more
inclusively
looking
at
significant
to
who,
when
and
what
but
anyway
I
know
we're
running
along.
So
I
do
appreciate
everybody's
interests
and
all
the
questions,
and
hopefully
you
enjoyed
the
presentation
as
that
valuable.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
yeah.
Thank
you
very
much
all
right
we're
just
a
little
late
but
I,
don't
think
that'll
be
a
problem
tonight.
So
welcome
to
the
December
1st
2022
meeting
of
the
plan
and
Zoning
Commission
I'll.
First
read
the
rules
and
procedures.
The
plan
and
Zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plots
unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
B
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
for
details
on
Council
hearings.
Applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
B
B
Items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval,
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report.
Unless
an
individual
present
or
a
member
of
the
commission
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
consent
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda
and
do
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
November
17th
2022
minutes.
B
I
will
start
with
the
consent.
Public
hearing
items
item
number
one:
a
request
from
Des
Moines
Metropolitan
waste
water,
Reclamation
Authority,
represented
by
Melissa
Schick
learned
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing,
site
plan,
wrf
access
and
security
improvements
for
property
located
in
the
vicinity
of
3000
Vandalia
Road
for
type
2
design,
Alternatives,
A
and
B.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item?
B
G
A
B
Okay,
was
there
anyone
from
the
public
for
number
three
number
three
will
remain
on
consent.
There
are
two
items
on
the
public
hearing
that
have
been
requested
to
be
moved
to
consent.
Number
four
is
a
request
from
Eastgate
Plaza
represented
by
Norman
Weinstein
for
review
and
approval
of
an
eighth
amendment
to
the
Eastgate
Plaza
PUD
conceptual
plan
for
property
at
1514,
East
Euclid
Ave
to
allow
Car
Wash
use.
B
B
B
Oh,
please
raise
your
hand
if
you're
abstaining
thanks,
I
just
didn't
see
you
number
five
has
also
been
requested
to
be
moved
to
consent.
It's
a
request
from
John
Amberg
represented
by
Sean
Stolt
for
a
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
property
at
750,
Foster
Drive
for
type
2
design,
alternatives
to
allow
construction
for
a
245
square
foot
attached
carport
within
five
feet
of
the
south
side,
Lot
line
when
a
minimum
10
foot
setback
is
required.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item?
B
Anyone
in
the
public
do
I
have
a
motion
to
move
number
five
to
consent.
Thank
you.
I
think
Katie
was
all
in
favor
of
moving
to
consent.
Please
raise
your
right
hand.
B
A
No,
no
I,
don't
I,
just
I!
Think
last
meeting
we
set
the
nominating
committee
so
hope
you
guys
remember
that
you,
the
three
of
you
that
volunteered
and
please
work
on
that
this
you
know
this
month
and
into
the
next
month.
So.
A
Ox
meeting
we,
whether
5,
30
session,
it's
the
the
downtown
plan,
that's
been
led
by
the
partnership.
It
actually
is
also
going
to
be
an
action
item
as
a
amending
it
or
adopting
it
as
an
element
of
our
comprehensive
plan,
but
just
with
the
the
the
amount
of
information
that
should
be
presented,
it's
hard
to
tell
them
to
do
it
in
10
minutes.
So
we
wanted
to
do
a
5
30
session.
So
hopefully
you
all
can
make
it
to
the
5
30
session.