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From YouTube: 4-21-22 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, April 21, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
B
Hello,
everyone,
I'm
cory,
bogenery
principal
traffic
engineer
at
the
city
of
des
moines
and
I'll
give
a
a
pretty
brief
summary
of
the
southwest
infrastructure
and
planning
study,
and
so,
as
bert
mentioned.
I
just
wanted
to.
You
know,
start
out
by
saying
why
this
is
being
presented,
because
it's
a
little
bit
different
having
an
infrastructure
or
street
study
presented
at
planning
zoning
commission.
But
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
make
an
amendment
to
move
dsm,
which
is
a
transportation
master
plan
which
is
an
element
of
plain
dsm,
and
so
what
move?
B
Dsm
is
really
it's
a
framework
for
us
in
the
engineering
department
to
inform
our
design
decisions
on
streets
to
meet
the
vision
of
the
community.
So
within
move
dsm,
there's
streets,
classifications,
called
street
topologies
and,
as
part
of
the
southwest
infrastructure
and
planning
study,
we're
proposing
a
couple
changes
to
existing
streets
and
then
new
streets
that
don't
currently
have
classifications
assigned
to
them.
And
so
since
that
map
is
part
of
move
dsm,
we
need
to
amend
the
amend
the
master
plan
to
incorporate
those
changes.
B
So
that
is
why
I'm
presenting
today-
and
so
as
I
said,
this
is
a
fairly
large
study-
I'm
I'll
try
to
breeze
through
it
quick.
But
why
did
we
do
this
study?
Really?
B
It's
staying
over
on
the
east
side,
next
to
floor,
drive
and
so
partially
because
of
that,
and
just
growth
hasn't
happened
in
this
area
as
originally
projected
traffic
volumes
didn't
really
meet
those
those
projections
in
the
1998
study,
so
in
2018
the
mpo
removed
that
plan
from
the
long-range
transportation
plan,
and
so
then
the
city
came
back
and
said:
well,
since
this
is
no
longer
the
plan.
What
is
our
plan
for
streets
in
this
area?
And
so
that's
why
the
southwest
infrastructure
and
planning
study
was
initiated.
B
B
So
what
are
the
goals
of
this
study?
Well,
first
and
foremost,
was
to
establish
a
regional,
multimodal
transportation,
infrastructure
and
kind
of
a
strategy
for
developing
these
streets.
So
what
certain
streets?
You
know
how
they're
built
out
and
how
you
know
we're
accommodating
all
modes
of
transportation.
B
We
want
to
accommodate
a
long-term
economic
development
opportunities
in
a
flexible
way
and
what
we
mean
by
that
is.
We
don't
really
know
how
some
of
these
undeveloped
areas
are
going
to
develop,
which
one's
going
to
happen
first.
So,
instead
of
having
a
plan
that
says,
you
know
in
five
years,
you
do
this
in
10
years.
You
do
this,
it's
more.
B
What
are
the
triggers
for
those
different
improvements,
instead
of
it
being
kind
of
a
time
based
and
that
allows
us
to
be
flexible
so
as
certain
areas
develop,
then
we
have
a
plan
for
those
areas
and
then,
lastly,
was
to
protect
the
recreational
and
natural
resources
throughout
the
study
area.
You
have
a
lot
of
parks.
You
have
you
know:
grey's
lake
park,
water
works
park,
you
have
the
great
western
trail,
all
kind
of
through
this
area,
and
so
we
really
wanted
to
protect
those
recreational
and
natural
resources.
B
This
slide
just
so,
you
can
understand.
I
guess
the
land
uses
in
this
area
just
shows
the
outline
of
the
study
with
the
land
use
map,
and
so
you
know,
south
of
gray's
lake
between
grace
lake
and
thomas
beck
road,
it's
kind
of
downtown
mixed
use.
There's
the
business
park
there,
just
east
of
or
west
of
fleur,
which
I
think
is
valley
gardens.
You
have
some
single
family,
residential
and
then
out
west
of
the
airport,
a
lot
of
business
park.
B
So
we
did
a
whole
bunch
of
work.
Did
a
study
over
multiple
years
and
I'm
kind
of
going
to
move
right
into
the
the
recommendations.
Really,
the
recommendations
of
the
study
fall
into
three
different
buckets.
The
first
one
is
roadway
projects,
so
there's
12,
separate
projects
that
were
recommended
and
those
projects
provide
kind
of
our
desired
transportation
network
and
operations
to
be
consistent
with
land
uses
and
other
neighborhood
plans.
You
know
to
provide
that
reliable
and
efficient
network.
B
Then
we
also
had
15
active
transportation
projects
that
were
recommended,
and
those
are
any
projects
that
you
know
are
geared
towards
cycling,
pedestrian
infrastructure,
to
support
all
those
modes
of
transportation.
Those
a
lot
of
the
roadway
and
active
transportation
projects
are
linked,
but
we
just
kind
of
pulled
them
out
separately,
so
you
could
see
there
that
they're
distinctly
separate
and
all
being
accounted
for
and
then
kind
of
the
last
bucket
is
the
additional
recommendation.
So
there's
about
10
of
those
and
those
are
really
ones
that
don't
fall
neatly
into
these
other
two
buckets
so
operations.
B
You
know
signal
optimization
projects,
future
studies
that
maybe
were
outside
of
the
this
study
area
or
things
that
needed
to
be
looked
more
in
detail
that
were
outside
of
the
scope
of
the
study,
transit
improvements.
And
then
you
know
some
miscellaneous
other
safety
improvements
that
were
sprinkled
through
there
and
so
in
all,
there
was
37
individual
projects
that
are
being
recommended
as
part
of
this
study
for
a
total
cost
of
about
72
million
dollars,
and
so
one
of
those
you
know
random
or
separate
recommendations.
Is
the
street
topology.
B
So
getting
back
to
kind
of
why
we're
here
and
why
we're
we're
presenting
this
to
the
planning
zoning
commission?
B
It
doesn't
really
look
at
the
context
of
the
street,
so
that's
why
these
street
topologies
were
developed.
They're
really
a
guideline
for
how
we
design
our
streets
and
the
process
that
we
go
through
and
the
considerations
that
we
make,
and
so
you
know
the
street
topologies
they
look
at
the
role
of
the
street
in
the
network.
You
know,
how
does
it
connect?
B
Is
it
just
you
know
a
10
block
section
of
a
street
or
does
it
go
all
the
way
across
the
city
and
then
it
really
dives
into
you
know,
what's
the
character
and
feel
of
the
street,
how
are
people
using
it?
What
type
of
facilities
are
needed
on
it?
Is
it
on
a
transit
route?
Is
it
an
emergency
vehicle
route,
things
of
those
nature,
and
so
with
that
we
come
up
with
these
eight
separate
topologies,
all
the
way
from
a
neighborhood
residential
which
kind
of
just
serves.
B
You
know
more
residential
area,
maybe
a
little
higher
order
street,
where
you
know
you
need
more
of
bicycle
facilities.
For
example,
I
mean
you
kind
of
get
into
more
of
community
residential
as
more
longer
corridors
that
kind
of
connect
neighborhoods,
but
it's
still,
the
land
use,
is
more
residential
in
nature
into
community
mix.
Use
which
are
you
know,
shorter
segments
of
street
but
have
mixed
use
so
their
commercial
residential
type
of
developments
on
those
corridors.
B
You
know
all
the
way
down
to
more
regional
streets
that
are
residential
in
nature
or
mixed
use
and
then
industrial
business
park
and
then
on
that
map.
Anything
that
you
see
that
doesn't
have
a
color
is
a
local
street
and
then
the
last
topology
is
downtown
streets
which
those
are
kind
of
a
little
bit
special
and
they're
kind
of
governed
by
the
connect
downtown
plan,
which
is
a
separate
master
plan
that
we
have,
and
so
I'm
going
to
get
into
what
we
are
proposing
to
change
and
incorporate
into
move
dsm.
B
So
on
the
left,
you
can
see
the
that's
the
existing
map
and
move
dsm.
So
there's
a
couple
of
streets
in
the
study
area,
thomas
beck
and
park
avenue,
for
example,
that
have
street
topologies
assigned
for
them,
but
then
there's
all
these
streets
south
of
park
avenue
in
that
study
area,
that's
outlined
in
red
that
don't
have
any
topologies
assigned
to
them.
So
really
what
we
want
to
do
is
make
some
modifications
to
this.
B
And
the
mouse
doesn't
show
up
on
there,
but
park
avenue
is
east-west
corridor
kind
of
right
in
the
middle,
it's
labeled
on
the
map
and
it
it
is
currently
a
community
residential
street
which
community
residential
is.
B
You
know
the
the
description
of
that
street
is
strengthening
community
character
by
tying
neighborhoods
together
and
linking
residents
to
important
facilities
and
that
stretch
of
park
avenue
is
really
more
mixed
use
in
nature
and
really
what
another
thing
that
I
will
point
out
is
that,
as
part
of
this
study,
it
proposed
to
reroute
george
flagg
parkway
from
the
intersection
of
park
avenue
up
to
the
intersection
of
southwest
30th
and
bell,
and
you
can
see
that
in
the
proposed
map,
and
so
since
that's
kind
of
a
continuous
stretch
of
street,
it
made
sense
that
that
would
be
considered
a
community
mix
use
corridor
that
matches
the
the
you
know
kind
of,
creates
a
continuous
corridor,
but
then
also
matches
the
context
of
the
existing
and
proposed
develop
or
lane
uses
in
that
area.
B
So
that's
the
one
existing
change.
As
I
mentioned,
a
new
topology
george
flagg
didn't
have
topology
assigned
to
it.
So
that
stretch
between
what
would
be
bell
avenue
and
park
avenue
would
be
proposed
to
be
a
community
mixed
use
street
a
few
other
things
or
streets
that
are
proposed
south
of
park.
Avenue
is
southwest
56th,
street
and
watchers
avenue
and
in
those
areas
those
are
proposed
to
be
community
residential
streets
and
the
reason
for
that
is
because
of
the
residential
development
that's
happening
in
that
area.
B
So
it's
really
tying
those
residential
developments
to
the
the
larger
street
network.
You
know
and
and
that's
the
context
that
we
want
to
design
those
streets
to
from
mckinley
avenue
south.
B
That
area
is
proposed
as
industrial
business
park
street
topologies,
and
the
reason
for
that
that
includes
southwest
56th,
leland
avenue,
southwest
mckinley,
willow,
creek
and
then
a
new
street
alignment,
that's
kind
of
a
curvilinear
street
in
that
area
and
that
area
is
currently
zoned
as
as
as
business
park,
and
that
area
is
just
kind
of
envisioned
as
development
that
will
support
the
airport,
and
so
that's
why
that
area
is
considered
to
be
industrial
business
park
street
topologies.
B
So
I
realized
I
kind
of
breezed
through
that.
I
didn't
really
highlight
a
lot
of
the
details
of
the
study,
but
I
wanted
to
you
know,
leave
some
time
for
questions
and
it
you
know
if
you
have
any
detailed
questions,
that
you
want
to
talk
through
again
we're
asking
you
to
review
and
and
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council
regarding
the
amendment
to
move
dsm,
which
is
just
assigning
those
street
topologies
to
those
streets.
So
with
that,
I
will
open
it
up
to
questions.
C
B
I
think
there's
I
don't
know
off
the
top
of
my
head,
how
many
it
was
very
few.
It
was,
I
want
to
say
five
or
six
properties.
It
might
even
be
less
than
that
there
was
one
property.
B
The
southwest
56th
street
down
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
where
it
kind
of
curves
down
and
then
there's
like
a
jog
l
kind
of
right
in
the
middle
realigning
that
requires
going
through
a
property
there.
So
I
I
know,
that's
one
for
sure
and
then
in
order
to
realign
george
flagg
parkway
and
tie
into
tie
into
bell
avenue
at
southwest
30th,
I
think
there's
one
property
there
that
will
be
impacted.
B
But
beyond
that
I
don't
believe
there's
you
know,
there's
properties
that
would
be
impacted
right
away,
but
there
won't
there
isn't
anything
planned
to.
Actually,
you
know
go
through
a
business
or
a
building
other
than
than
those
two
areas.
B
The
37
projects
are
proposed,
none
of
these
projects
are
funded,
none
of
them
are
in
the
cip
and
so
they're
all
future
projects
that
will
go
through
our
cip
process.
So
this
study
was
completed
and
made
all
these
recommendations,
but
there's
no
funding
currently
allocated
to
any
of
these
projects.
C
B
Yep
yep-
and
we
did-
I
didn't-
I
didn't
discuss
it.
I
could
talk
about
some
of
our
our
outreach
and
groups
that
we
did
talk
to
that
were
part
of
our
stakeholder
groups.
You
know
we
had
city
staff.
B
We
also
had
folks
from
des
moines
water
works,
the
des
moines
wra
des
moines,
public
schools,
the
neighborhood
associations,
southwestern
hills,
neighborhood
association,
graves
lake,
neighborhood
association,
the
des
moines
street,
collective
dart
and
a
bunch
of
the
associations
affiliated
with
or
with
parks.
So
the
friends
of
des
moines
parks
des
moines
park
board
the
graze
lake
and
meredith
trail
advisory
committee.
So
they've
been
involved
in
this
process.
B
D
On
page
95,
you
go
into
roundabout
recommendations
and
I'm
curious
in
general.
Stop
signs
versus
yield
signs
versus
the
the
the
logic
used
within
the
study
of
what
should
go.
Where,
for
example,
I
mean,
is
there
a
recommendation,
mutd
mutcd
for
iowa
that
identifies
a
rate
of
travel
through
an
intersection
that
should
require
a
stop
and
are
we
putting
more
stops
than
recommended?
Are
we?
How
are
we
approaching?
Stop
signs
versus
yields.
B
B
I
to
there's
it
it's
hard
to
say,
there's
different
criteria,
and
so
it's
not
it's
not
just
a
hard
and
fast
hey.
If
there's
500
vehicles
going
through
this
intersection,
you
need
an
always
stop.
There's
different
level.
I
can
send
you
the
information
on
how
it's
actually
calculated.
B
You
know
the
other
their
safety
component
as
well.
So
you
look
at
the
safety,
the
safety
crashes
over
the
past
five
years,
and
if
there's,
I
think,
it's
more
than
five
crashes
in
on
average
over
that
five-year
span,
then
one
could
be
warranted,
so
there's
different
levels
of
criteria.
D
A
little
bit
so
sorta,
so
I'm
just
curious
how
you're
approaching
it
here
within
this
district,
for
example,
we
have
certain
parts
of
town
that
are
just
like
way
over
stop
signed,
and
then
we
have
other
parts
of
town
where
we
say
well.
We
can't
really
put
a
stop
saying
unless
we
have
100
crossings
per
hour
on
average
over
eight
hours,
which
seems
freaking
bonkers,
we're
in
des
moines.
I
don't
know
if
we've
got
any
one
that
meets
that
yeah.
How
are
we
looking
at
this
here?
D
Considering
the
fact
that
number
one
things
like
roundabouts,
obviously
safer,
lower
impact
crashes,
something
is
safer
in
general,
yield
signs,
probably
next
best
step
within
within
our
country
when,
since
roundabouts
make
people
confused,
yeah.
E
D
B
Would
we
say
no
yeah
so
for
any
intersection,
you
know
we'd,
we
wouldn't
just
go
out
and
put
in
a
stop
sign
without
doing
the
analysis
and
making
sure
it's
warranted
based
on
the
mutcd,
and
so
you
know
looking
at
for
the
roundabouts,
for
example,
where
those
are
proposed.
B
You
know
we
looked
at
the
traffic
volumes.
The
existing
safety
aspects
of
it
like
george
flagg
and
park,
is
one
example
where
we're
proposing
it's
currently
a
signalized
intersection,
we're
proposing
a
roundabout,
and
so
that's
proposed
there
because
of
the
safety.
The
safety
experience
in
the
past.
There's
lots
of
angle
crashes,
and
so
roundabouts
tend
to
be
safer
and
less
severe
crashes,
and
so
that's
why
that's
proposed
there.
So
you
know
we
looked
at
it
on
an
individual
basis
on
each
one
of
those
intersections.
B
B
Maybe
higher
order
streets,
so
we
we're
not
drilling
down
into
like
the
neighborhood
streets
just
because
this
map,
you
know,
shows
these
street.
These
aren't
the
only
streets
that
are
could
or
be
proposed
in
this
area.
There's
going
to
be
local
streets
as
well.
So
whenever
there's
an
intersection,
we're
going
to
look
at
it
and
make
sure
that
the
criteria
is
met
and
that
the
traffic
control
is
appropriate.
D
For
the
criteria
that
you're
using,
which
is
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
when
you
say
all
right,
we
don't
have
any
crashes,
it's
a
new
street
without
any
crashes
in
the
old.
If
someone
comes
up
and
says,
I
want
a
yield
sign
because,
for
example,
it's
more
sustainable
have
a
yield
sign.
If
I
don't
have
high
density,
I
don't
stop
for
no,
no
reason.
I'm
also
more
aware
at
that
intersection
similar
concept
with
a
roundabout.
When
would
you
say
that
that
yield
sign
is
not
appropriate?
Is
there
criteria
since
crashes?
Isn't
it
yeah.
B
So
for
a
new
world,
yeah
yeah,
so
I
understand
what
you're
saying
so
for
a
new
intersection.
We
don't
have
any
of
that
data.
So
how
are
we
deciding?
We
have
projections
as
part
of
it
and
then
the
other
thing
is
like
a
local
street.
B
If
there's
a
t
intersection
we're
we're
going
to
control
that
minor
street
with
a
stop
sign,
and
if
it's
not,
you
know
if
the
traffic
volumes
like
a
good
example,
would
be
at
watrus
there's
a
new
residential
development
kind
of
just
west
of
southwest
56th
street
and
there's
a
street
that's
tying
in
to
watchers
avenue,
and
so
that
street
would
be
stock
controlled
at
watchers
avenue.
But
watchers
avenue
would
not.
B
Because
we
don't
want
it
to
be
uncontrolled
because
most
of
the
time
you
know,
if
you
have
this
higher
order,
road
and
a
minor
street,
you
want
to
have
that.
You
want
to
tell
the
drivers
what
their
who
has
the
right
of
way,
and
so
that
is
why
we
would
stop
control.
That's
just
been
our
policy.
D
Yeah
again,
I'm
just
trying
to
nail
down
the
policy,
because
I
mean,
for
example,
sixth
and
grand
was
a
long-term
concern
right,
I'm
just
curious.
What
is
our
criteria
because
we
have
benefits
of
you
know,
yield
sign,
shows
some
priority
and
it
has
some
significant
benefits.
I'm
just
curious
when
we,
when
we
wouldn't
use
those,
especially
if
I
go
down
you
know,
east
of
union
down
into
that
side
of
town,
I
mean:
there's
stop
sign
freaking
everywhere,
yeah,
I'm
stopping
every
other
block
yeah.
I
don't
know
why.
B
Yeah,
I
think
it
you
know,
I
I
can't
speak
to
some
of
those
certain
ones.
Some
of
some
you
know
whenever
we
get
a
request
for
a
stop
sign.
You
know
we're
always
going
to
go
through
that
criteria
and
make
our
recommendation
based
off
of.
B
B
F
I
have
a
question
with
the
realignment
of
george
flagg.
B
That
stretch
would
remain
between
southwest
30th
and
and
fleur.
As
part
of
the
des
moines
water
works
parked
master
plan.
They
actually
proposed
to
eliminate
portions
of
george
flagg
parkway
or
bring
them
into
the
park,
so
that
kind
of
coincides
with
the
park,
but
that
the
valley
gardens
area
the
business
park
area
if
we
just
close
that
off
and
we
close
george
flag
between
southwest
30th
and
fleur,
there's
no
outlet
for
that
area.
B
B
F
D
One
more
quick
one:
sorry,
this
won't
be
80
questions
right
here,
so
this
is
infrastructure
plan.
It
looks
like
we
cover
roads
and
we
also
cover
a
little
bit
of
water
and
the
runoff
and
those
sort
of
items.
Where
do
we
cover
things
like
infrastructure,
with
respect
to
broadband
or
where's?
That
plan
is
that
a
part
of
this
scope
would
that
fall
into
this
master
planning?
Is
there
some
other
planning
we
should
be
asking
for
when
looking
for
that.
D
Tomorrow
kind
conor,
you
know
condo
right
of
way
who
hat
you
know:
conflict
conflict
avoidance
who
has
first
right
to
laying
conduit
or
owning
it
all
that
sort
of
undergrounding.
B
Yeah,
so
that
wasn't
really
a
part
of
this,
and
that
would
be
kind
of
you
know
done
as
part
of
the
how
it
kind
of
is
managed.
Now
you
know
through
the
the
right-of-way
process,
so
you
know
any
franchise,
utility,
mediacom
or
other.
B
You
know
internet
service
providers,
you
know
they
can
come
in
and
they
go
through
that
process.
I'm
not
really
I'm
personally
not
involved
in
that,
but
that
wasn't
an
aspect
of
this
study.
D
B
H
D
H
I
don't
know
that
us
here
today
are
gonna,
be
able
to
answer.
We
can.
G
G
Okay:
okay,
we
will
begin
the
april
21st
2022
meeting
of
the
city
of
des
moines
plan
and
zoning
commission.
I
will
go
ahead
and
read
the
rules
and
procedures.
G
G
G
Items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval,
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation.
In
the
staff
report,
unless
an
individual
present
or
member
of
the
commission
request
that
that
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda.
G
G
G
I
will
now
read
through
the
consent,
public
hearing
items
number
one
request
from
the
city
engineer
for
review
and
recommendation
to
the
city
council
regarding
an
amendment
to
move
dsm
which
was
adopted
on
november
19
2018
as
an
element
of
the
plan
dsm
comprehensive
plan.
Are
there
any
members
of
the
public
who
would
like
this
pulled
from
the
consent
agenda.
G
G
Okay
item
number:
three:
a
request
from
kelly
garner
for
at
25
2012
woodland
avenue
for
a
vacation
of
the
easternmost
hundred
lineal
feet
of
the
east-west
alley,
right-of-way
within
the
block
bounded
by
woodland
avenue
to
the
north
high
street,
to
the
south
24th
to
the
east
and
28th
street
to
the
west.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
public
tonight
who
would
like
it
pulled
from
the
consent
agenda?
G
G
Okay
item
number
five
request
from
elia
llc,
represented
by
phil
watson
and
easter
lake
estates
regarding
property
in
the
vicinity
of
7221
southeast
5th
street,
to
amend
plan,
dsm,
comprehensive
plan
to
revise
the
future
land
use
designation
from
medium
density,
residential
to
high
density
residential,
to
allow
development
of
the
property
with
a
density
greater
than
17
dwelling
units
per
acre.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
tonight
who
would
like
that
pulled
from
consent,
seeing
none?
Anyone
on
the
commission
who
would
like
that
pulled.
G
Okay
item
number:
six
request
from
city
of
des
moines
parks
and
recreation
for
the
following
regarding
cohen
park,
located
in
the
vicinity
of
1000
scott
avenue
determination
as
to
whether
it
is
in
conformance
with
plan
dsm,
a
ma
amend
plan
dsm
to
revise
the
future
land,
use
designation
from
downtown
downtown
mixed
use
to
parks
and
open
space,
re-zone
the
property
from
downtown
district
to
public,
civic
and
institutional
district,
to
bring
it
in
conformance.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
public
tonight
who
would
like
this
pulled
from
consent?
J
H
G
Okay,
so
that's
staying
on
consent,
correct!
Okay
item
number:
seven:
requests
from
joseph
hipp
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
property
located
at
4019
southeast
25th
street
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
to
allow
a
driveway
to
expansion
that
exceeds
the
maximum
allowed
front
yard
impervious
area.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
public
today
who
would
like
to
take
this
off
the
consent
agenda?
G
No
okay
item
number
eight
request
from
isaac
lomaire
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
property
located
at
2401
34th
street
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
to
allow
a
driveway
expansion
that
exceeds
the
maximum
allowed
front
yard
impervious
area.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
public
that
would
like
to
take
this
off
consent
today,.
G
Saying
none
moving
on
to
the
last
item:
number
nine
request
from
rm
madden
construction
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
property
located
at
3822
southwest
12th
street
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
to
allow
construction
of
a
new
house
type
d
in
an
n5
neighborhood
with
an
attached
garage
that
would
have
an
entrance
location
on
the
front
facade.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
public
tonight
who
would
like
this
removed
from
consent.
G
G
N
N
The
reason
the
vacation
is
before
you
is
because
it
was
discovered
that
the
there
are
balconies
that
are
projecting
into
the
into
the
right-of-way
as
well
as
their
there
is
a
building
footing
that
is
also
encroaching
into
the
right-of-way.
This
is
primarily
the
reason
why
the
applicant
needs
to
seek
vacation
of
air
rights
and
subsurface
rights.
N
Here
is
the
property,
so
the
the
vacation
request
is
right
along
the
east
walnut
street
right
away.
The
subsurface
vacation
runs
all
the
way
along
where
you
see
the
yellow
line
along
the
the
property
line,
and
then
you
can
see
like
a
slight
bump
right
here.
That's
where
the
balconies
are
expected
to
project
into
the
right-of-way.
N
N
I
won't
go
too
much
into
detail
about
the
project
you
all
are
familiar
with
this.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
build
a
seven-story
hotel,
our.
N
N
It
came
before
planning
zoning
commission
on
march
17th
for
a
few
type
2
design
alternatives
they
are
listed
here,
for
you,
staff
did
not
see
any
issues
with
the
with
the
air
rights
and
subsurface
right
vacation
request
from
the
applicant.
With
that
in
mind,
we
are
recommending
approval
of
the
of
the
vacation
request,
but
that,
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'll
be
happy
to
take
them
at
this
time,.
H
If
I
could,
before
we
get
to
questions,
I
do
just
want
to
note
that
it's
pretty
routine,
that
we'll
have
downtown
projects
where
we'll
get
a
little
further
into
the
site
plan
and
recognize
that
a
balcony
or
footing
is
going
to
need
relief.
So
this
is
fairly
common
to
have
this
kind
of
come
after
the
site
plan.
H
We
always
encourage
folks
to
try
to
figure
that
out
in
advance,
but
unfortunately
it
didn't
happen
here,
but
the
common
and
also
I
did
want
to
clarify
that
the
building
will
have
some
commercial
space
on
the
ground
floor,
but
is
primarily
an
apartment
building.
N
Yes,
that's
that's
correct!
You
can
move
over
to
the
drawing
so
yeah.
So
if
you
look
at
the
the
drawing
right
here
so
this
is
the
the
subsurface
encroachment
it's
about
a
foot
in
width
and
runs
all
along
the
property
and
then
for
the
air
rides.
N
This
is
the
approximately
the
area
where
the
balconies
are
going
to
project
into
into
the
right
of
way.
D
And
so
how
did-
and
I
apologize
because
this
is-
I
didn't
understand
how
this
worked
in
here,
so
if
they
vacated
there,
there
will
always
be
this
little
bump
out.
That
is
always
associated
with
that
property
in
the
future
or
if
this
building
gets
demolished,
do
those
air
rights
come
back
to
the
city?
How
does
that
work.
H
I
believe
we,
when
we
vacate
air
rights
and
subsurface
rights
that
we
actually
lease
those
is
that
is
that.
Well,
let's
have
legal,
but
I
I'm:
why
don't
you
go
ahead
and
fill
us
in?
Please.
O
New
england
city
legal
department,
I'm
stepping
into
this
new
role,
but
my
area
of
expertise
before
this
was
serving
as
the
real
estate
liaison
in
legal.
So
when,
when
it
later
in
this
process,
once
you
make
your
recommendation,
it
goes
to
council
for
a
hearing
and
then
at
that
point
the
vacations
completed
with
the
ordinance
and
at
that
when
it
goes
to
council,
it's
it's
two
items
that
are
going
the
vacation
and
also
the
conveyance
of
the
easements
that
go
with
it.
O
So
this
legal
description
is
tied
to
the
bigger
site,
which
is
the
benefited
property.
Those
easements
include
both
legal
descriptions.
So
in
the
event
of
demolition
of
one
the
you
know,
if
the
apartment
building
would
ever
be
destroyed
to
a
certain
percentage,
then
the
easement
would
also
expire
terminate,
and
so
it's
tied
to
the
building.
D
Okay,
because
that
was
where
my
question
was
because
I
noticed
in
there
it
says
this:
you
know
this
affects
current
utilities.
It
also
says
there
aren't
any,
so
I
guess
it
doesn't
affect
any.
My
correction
was
what
what
that
does
for
future,
whether
this
is
permanent
and
what
we're
saying
here
is
these
items
right
here:
they're
tied
just
the
balcony
and
the
tie
just
to
the
one
foot
of
that
footing,
and
if
this
building
goes
away,
that
will
not
impact
our
ability
to
future
to
have
make
future
decisions
on
anything.
O
That's
correct.
The
only
thing
I
would
also
point
out
is
the
balcony
for
the
air
rights
easement,
it's
only
through
specific
elevations,
so
it's
not
bumping
out
into
the
surface
use
of
the
right-of-way
and
that
will
continue
to
operate
like
any
other
sidewalk
that
you
would
see
coming
down
the
street.
So
it's
only
at
those
specific
elevations.
G
Okay,
the
applicant
has,
unless
there's
any
other
questions
for
staff
from
the
commission.
The
applicant
has
10
minutes
to
present
if
they
would
like.
G
You
don't
have
to
okay.
Are
there
any
anybody
in
the
audience
tonight,
and
so
who
would
like
to
speak
in
support
of
this
project?
L
L
So
I
guess
I'm
I'm
surprised
that
we
eagerly
approve
air
rights
over
the
right-of-way
in
the
downtown
area,
where
pedestrian
traffic
is
higher
than
in
other
areas,
and
it
would,
I
didn't
see
in
the
packet
how
much
of
this
is
going
to
extend
into
the
right-of-way
and
if
you
know,
if,
like
the
whole
darn
thing
is
over
my
head
and
if
it
starts
at
the
second
floor,
if
it
starts
like
at
the
seventh
floor-
or
it
seems
kind
of
risky
to
me,
but
again
it
appears
the
city
is-
is
eager
to
approve
these.
D
O
I
lisa
williams
with
the
city
legal
department.
Again,
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
in
response
to
some
of
the
concerns
that
were
just
recently
brought
forward.
Many
of
those
are
addressed
in
the
body
of
the
easement
document
that
will
subsequently
be
going
to
council
for
approval,
and
it
does
include
insurance
and
indemnification
provisions.
So
if
you,
if
anyone
is
interested
in
looking
to
further
detail
as
to
the
specifics
of
that
document,
that
will
be
made
available
and
there
will
be
a
public
hearing
addressing
that
easement
specifically.
J
I
do
have
a
question:
is
that
okay
yeah?
So
so
I
guess
what's
the
full
percentage
of
coverage
when
that
balcony
is
built,
was
it
like
90
of
the
sidewalk
being
taken
up?
I
guess
that's
what
I
want
to
know.
P
P
Even
if
you
look
towards
the
other
side
of
86th
street
there's
currently
apartment
buildings
there
that
probably
encroach
two
to
three
feet
over
the
sidewalk,
too
sidewalk
distance
from
the
base
of
building
to
the
planer
beds
is
approximately
six
feet,
plus
there's
another
five
feet
of
planer
beds,
plus
another
two
foot
buffer
to
the
back
of
the
turtle,
so
that
kind
of
gives
you
a
relation.
The
full
width
is
13
feet
and
only
three
feet
is
going
to
be
covered
by
this
balcony.
That's
only
for
this
little
area
here,
any
other
questions.
J
P
E
P
D
P
Used
it's
basically
a
balcony
off
of
an
apartment,
building
similar
to
most
downtown
condos
and
apartments.
A
lot
of
them
have
that
the
balcony,
just
as
a
amenity
to
the
apartment,
it's
mainly
triggered
due
to
the
downtown
district,
having
a
minimum
requirement
of
the
face
of
the
building
being
so
close
to
the
right
way.
P
So
when
you
want
to
have
that
intensity
in
the
building
that
close
to
the
right
away-
and
you
still
won't
provide
the
amenity
of
a
balcony,
this
is
only
option
and
as
they
alluded
to
it's
second
story
and
above
it's
not
garden
level
and
garden
level.
I
guess
apartments.
But
I
think
this
has
a
few
wouldn't
have
that
option.
P
D
Just
that
last
curiosity
thing
so
I
mean
sorry
so
like
because
we've
seen
issues
like
the
balcony
collapse
in
berkeley
and
those
other
items
have
been
showing
problems
behind
the
actual
the
actual
skin
of
the
building
is.
Do
we
have
special
requirements
for
balcony
design
here,
considering
our
weather
and
everything
else,
or
is
there
anything
here?
That
means
there
any
other
reason.
L
E
G
Okay,
moving
on
to
item
number
ten
request
from
john
knapp,
represented
by
adam
cockerell,
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
public
hearing
site
plan,
scooters
located
at
4402
douglas
and
for
the
following
type
2
design.
Alternatives
to
waive
the
requirement
of
a
primary
built-in
zone
of
0-5
feet
allow
a
primary
frontage
coverage
of
15,
which
is
45
less
than
the
minimum.
60
percent
waive
the
requirement
for
65
percent
transparency
on
the
primary
facade
allow.
G
Okay
wave
the
requirement
for
the
primary
front
engine
entrance
to
be
recessed
between
three
and
eight
feet:
wave
the
requirement
for
65
transparency
on
primary
face,
measured
between
two
and
eight
feet;
wave
the
requirement
for
a
drive-through
facility
to
be
located
on
the
rear
or
interior
side
of
the
building,
fully
screened
and
jillian
is
going
to
present
for
staff.
Today.
Q
One
of
the
things
that
had
come
up
at
the
previous
meeting
was
their
stormwater
concerns
and
grading
concerns.
We
do
believe.
We've
worked
through
those
issues
and
there's
solutions
provided
in
the
in
the
current
layout.
Just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
revisions
and
what
has
changed
since
the
last
time.
This
was
before
the
commission.
Previously,
the
the
building
was
oriented
further
away
more
central
to
the
site,
with
a
drive-through
coming
around
on
the
east
side
of
the
building.
Q
That
has
changed
so
that
the
drive-through
window
is
on
the
west
side
of
the
building,
similar
to
before
there's
two
entrances:
driveway
entrances,
one
off
of
beaver
and
la
douglas.
Q
Q
D
C
C
Is
that
correct
the
the
notion
I
mean
this
has
gone
through
a
couple
of
different
reiterations
and
so
one
of
the
reiterations,
the
most
recent
one
and,
as
I
understand,
discuss
the
business
about
the
patio
and
what
we
are
seeing
is
a
plan
without
the
patio.
But
after
the
discussion
with
the
developer,
is
that
correct.
F
Go
ahead
so
the
requirement
for
bathrooms
they
have
to
be
open
to
the
public,
because
I
assume
that
the
building
will
have
a
bathroom
just
regular
building
code
standards
for
employees
only
is
that
correct.
H
I
think
it's
the
the
incorporation
of
outdoor
seating,
I
think
that's
the
term,
that's
in
the
building
code,
and
so,
as
we
talk
about
patios
we,
you
know,
I
think,
the
last
meeting
we
saw
some
images
of
another
scooters
in
a
different
state
that
had
like
couple
tables
and
with
a
couple
canopies
and
stuff,
and
those
were
the
kinds
of
things
we
were
envisioning.
That
is
clearly
seating,
that
the
building
code
is
would
require
facilities
for.
I
Q
H
And
if
I,
if
I
could,
jan
I'm,
not
sure
that
maybe
the
it
was
about
a
month
ago
when
this
was
before
the
commission-
and
I
don't
remember
attendance,
but
we
had
a
lot
of
discussion
and
had
marcus
with
the
beaverdale
neighborhood,
and
I
think
the
things
that
we
kind
of
honed
in
the
staff
out
of
that
was
the
need
to
have
some
pedestrian
accommodations
to
account
for
bicycle
accommodations
as
well,
and
just
that
the
site
trying
to
provide
a
balance
of
you
know
it
is
a
auto-centric
use
and
and
kind
of
concept.
H
S
H
R
R
Can
you
take
us,
along
also
on
the
transparency
and
materiality.
Q
Yeah,
absolutely
I
missed
that
piece.
Let
me
go
to
the
elevation,
so
one
of
the
things
that
has
changed
is
the
the
facade
materials.
A
significant
portion
of
the
facade
has
been
proposed
as
brick
now,
and
that
was
one
of
the
items
and
that's
why
that
item
has
been
removed
as
a
design
alternative.
It's
no
longer
needed
the
transparency.
Q
J
Question
so
we're
doing
away
with
the
patios
and
the
furniture
correct.
Q
J
So
so
I've
been
in
the
coffee
industry
for
a
good
majority
of
my
life
since
college,
and
just
I
just
don't
see
a
walk-up
window
working
without
seating,
especially
in
that
area.
It's
a
lot
of
high
traffic
and
recently
they
have
tried
to
slow
traffic
down
some.
That's
one
thing
I'm
worried
about.
If
there
isn't
a
place
for
people
to
sit
it,
it
just
doesn't
seem
like
it
meshes.
Well,
I'm
not
trying
to
diss
anything.
Just
as
a
an
avid
coffee
drinker.
J
G
J
And
one
more
question:
sorry,
it
does
seem
vehicle
heavy.
I
do
live
over
in
that
area.
What
would
be
the
typical
day-to-day
traffic
so
how
many
cars
are
coming
out?
Will
there
ever
be
any
backups
yeah?
What
what's
the
flow
essentially,
is
that
two
lanes
coming
coming
in
and
out
from
douglas
and
two
lanes
coming
in
and
out
from
bieber
or
is
it
come
through
and
flow
out
through
beaver,
come
through
douglas
and
flow
out?
Sorry
got
a
few
questions.
Q
The
applicant
might
be
able
to
better
answer
what
their
typical
queuing
or
stacking
would
be.
We
do
think
you
know
the
entrances
on
on
douglas
and
beaver
are
both
two-way
access
points.
So
traffic
could
go
in
and
out
of
these
entrances,
but
the
the
horseshoe?
U
does
provide,
you
know
quite
a
few
cueing
spaces
in
comparison
to
some
other
options.
We've
worked
through
with
the
design
team.
E
F
Jillian
are
there
any
utility
concerns
that
are
preventing
the
addition
of
bathrooms
for
the
public.
C
I,
how
many
parking
spots
are
there
in
the
in
the
plan.
I
count
six
and
maybe
that
doesn't
include
the
handicapped.
C
G
Q
Yes,
we
did
include
our
engineering
staff
in
in
our
discussions
with
the
applicant.
The
the
design
is
still.
Q
H
In
short,
the
site
currently
drains
in
multiple
directions,
both
the
douglas
and
the
beaver
and
the
previous
design.
The
the
the
attempt
was
to
push
most
of
the
storm
water
to
douglas
and
having
conversations
it
was
realized
that
it
was
appropriate
to
kind
of
maintain
that
split
in
some
fashion
and
that
allowed
us
to
kind
of
play.
With
the
grades
a
little
bit.
U
Good
evening
I
am
brandon
short
with
pelts
design
services
2323
dixon
street
in
des
moines
wally,
was
here
last
month
to
present
on
this,
but
he
is
at
his
son's
choir
concert.
U
So
you
get
me
so
first,
I
wanted
to
briefly
explain
why
we
need
the
design
alternatives,
so
the
build
to
zone-
or
mainly
it
comes
down
to
like,
was
briefly
mentioned-
the
size,
the
small
size
of
the
building
on
this
site,
so
the
bill
2
zone
cannot
be
met
on
both
streets
because
of
the
size
of
the
building
and
how
there
wouldn't
be
room
for
the
circulation
of
the
drive-through
lane.
U
Since
it
is
not
present,
the
transparency
requirement
cannot
be
met
because
it's
a
small
footprint
building
filled
with
food
service
equipment.
So
the
floor
plan
is
pretty
full
of
food
service
equipment
and
not
a
lot
of
room
for
windows,
and
then
the
we
need
a
waiver
to
allow
the
drive
through
facility
to
be
in
the
front
yard.
U
U
U
The
patio
like
was
as
was
discussed,
but
the
adding
a
bathroom
or
giving
public
access
to
the
bathroom
is
just
not
an
option
here
that
was
made
clear
by
the
developer,
so
they
let
us
know
that
they
that's
not
something
that
they
are
able
to
do
so
all
of
these
la
in
the
last
meeting.
Another
point
that
was
brought
up
is
just
the
number
of
design
alternatives.
U
So
though,
the
number
of
design
alternatives
can't
be
reduced
more
than
this,
with
this
building
on
this
site.
U
U
And
the
question
is
with
what.
But
scooters
would
like
to
provide
an
improvement
at
this
corner,
and
we've
worked
with
staff
and
we've
worked
through
like
six
different
iterations
with
the
layout
to
come
up
with
this,
and
we
really
believe
that
it's
conducive
to
pedestrian
access
and
that
that
it's
a
good
option
for
this
site.
U
I
Question,
first
of
all,
I
know
exactly
you
know
that
corner,
and
I
think
it's
great
that
you
want
to
build
something.
Okay,
I
think
you
heard
that
it
doesn't
seem
to
make
sense
to
have
a
dr,
a
walk-up
window
with
no
place
to
sit
down,
and
one
question
I
have
is
we
were
kind
of
talking
about.
It
seems
like
a
lot
of
concrete
and
we
talk
a
lot
about
sidewalks
and
people
don't
want
to
put
sidewalks
because
concrete
costs
a
lot
of
money.
U
I
think
there
were
four
or
five
other
layouts
and
the
problem
with
most
of
them
is
that
they
didn't
have
enough
queuing
before
they
backed
up
onto
douglas
avenue.
So
by
the
time
you
get
two
cars
behind
the
ordering
menu
you're
backing
up
track
traffic
onto
douglas
avenue.
So
that
was
the
problem
we
could.
U
If
that
wasn't
an
issue,
we
could
have
a
whole
lot
less
concrete
and
have
a
whole
lot
less
impervious
surface
on
the
site,
but
just
because
of
the
cueing.
This
is
the
alternative
that
we
came
up
with
in
our
previous
site
plan.
Also
had
this
amount
of
cueing,
but
the
drive-through
went
around
the
building,
so
it
really
comes
down
to
having
enough
length
for
cars
to
sit
in
the
drive-through.
T
U
T
Excuse
me,
I
have
seen
drive
up
windows
where
their
employees
have
access
to
the
restroom,
and
also
visitors
have
access
to
the
restroom
from
a
different
door
at
other
drive-ins.
So
you
haven't
explored
that
option,
because
this
is
a
walkable
neighborhood.
I
live
in
the
neighborhood
and
actually
I've
walked
up
from
my
house
up
to
that
corner
on
a
number
of
occasions.
So
I
understand
there's
a
need
to
get
this
corner
developed,
but
it
seems
to
me
a
counterintuitive
expect
to
have
a
patio
with
no
restroom
facilities
or
coffee.
U
J
So
I
have
a
question
so
I
I
live
there
as
well.
It's
a
very
walkable
bikeable
area
and
you
go
further
down.
We
got
ice
cream
and
yeah
it's
it's!
It's
it's
trying
to
become
an
even
more
slow
moving
community
and
that
that's
my
only
worry.
It's
going
to
be
very
driver-centric,
there's
going
to
be
lines
that
will
back
up
and
I
think
that's
my
biggest
worry
I'd
like
for
it
to
be
a
gathering
place.
J
We
just
lost
a
coffee
shop
down
the
street
java
joe's
and
I
think
this
will
increase
business
because
there
is
no
coffee
anywhere
else.
Unless
you
go
on
merle
hay,
the
starbucks
and
those
get
busy
pretty
quickly
as
well.
I
would
personally
like
to
see
a
bathroom,
and
hopefully
the
city
can
work
something
along
those
lines.
H
Yeah,
I
don't
know
that
I'm
sure
there's
a
way
to
have
something.
That's
you
know,
makes
it
through
a
building
code
process
that
it's
I
I'm
guessing
that
it's
you
know
it's
kind
of
a
matter
of
where,
where
the
costs
stop
and
start,
you
know,
obviously
just
you
know
getting
lost
in
the
weeds.
You
know
you
know
there
is
some
environmental
stuff.
H
You
know
as
far
as
like
the
winter
and
things,
so
it
would
certainly
you
know
insulation
if
it
was
whether
it
was
separate
from
this
building
or
somehow
incorporated
into
it.
But
anyway
those
are
just
thoughts.
C
H
Yeah
we
had
a
very,
very
productive
meeting,
appreciate
brandon
and
wally's
all
your
guys's
effort
on
this.
This
is
one
of
those
cases
where
we'd
had
a
conversation,
and
I
think
they
went
back,
did
a
little
more
homework
reached
out
to
us
and
and
so
we
double
checked
with
our
permitting
staff
and
it
and
and
then
at
that
point
learned
that
a
restroom
would
be
required
if
it
had
the
outdoor
seating
and
and
then,
of
course,
shared
that
information
and
weren't
able
to.
H
D
H
D
H
There's
a
tax
abatement
program,
that's
available
that
they
might
be
able
to
qualify.
For
I
don't
know
if
they've
johnny
is
looking
at
me
funny,
so
maybe
he
remembers,
but
you
have
to
it's
not
a
guarantee.
You
have
to
hit
certain
different
thresholds.
I
just
don't
know
the
program
well
enough
to
know
whether
or
not
today
that
they
would
meet
it.
Typically,
we
ask
them
to
identify
that
they
intend
to
during
the
site
plan
process.
I
don't
I
don't
remember
if
this
has
ever
come
up.
J
G
U
U
V
I
think
that
it's
true
that
the
developer
is
making
choices
about
what
to
spend
money
on,
and
the
spending
money
on,
a
patio
which
is
and
and
the
bathroom
that
comes
along
with
it
is
the
choice
to
not
actually
invest
in
it
being
a
pedestrian
friendly
facility,
but
they
are
choosing
to
spend
money
on
other
things.
So
it's
not
that
the
money
is
not
there.
It's
that
the
the
choices
are
not
aligning
with
what
the
city
staff
is
seeking
is
that
is
that
fair.
U
One
aspect
of
this
and
I'm
not
familiar
with
how
all
how
franchises
work,
but
this
is
a
prototype
building,
and
so
I
don't
know
what
the
process
or
possibilities
would
be
to
have
a
different
building
design.
But
I
I
know
that
this
is
their
standard
building.
D
I
do
I
guess
I
do
want
to
say
it's
a
build
onto
andy,
so
it
isn't
that
it's
like
oh
staff
wants
this
is
we
do
have
a
community
plan?
We
put
significant
investment
into
this.
There
is
actually
objective
of
what
this
corner
is
supposed
to
be
and
we're
now
negotiating
against
the
money
we've
spent
and
we're
doing
it
now
for
a
project
that
does
not
look
like
highest
best
use,
and
it
isn't
just
that
like
it's,
it's
not
this
little
thing
it's.
D
If
we're
going
to
put
in
all
the
money
we
put
in
a
sculpture
park
to
get
sculptures
of
buildings
on
it,
but
achieved
we've
now
put
in
a
whole
ton
of
money
to
get
a
walkable
area
in
a
neighborhood.
That
is
a
family-friendly
neighborhood
and
we
have
a
parking
lot
that
moves
that
seems
problematic
and
does
not
indicate
highest
best
use.
So
I
guess
I
would
say
it
is
a
little
more
in
depth
in
my
opinion
than
just
staff
wants
it.
D
C
J
U
U
I've
seen
other
scooters
like
there's.
I
know
there's
one
in
ames,
that
is
a
full-service
sit-down
coffee
shop,
but
this
is.
U
It
was
conveyed
to
us
that
this
is
the
option
for
them
for
this
site,
and
also
I
don't
or
even
though
it
is
a
site-
that's
big
enough
for
a
building
bigger
than
this
one
with
the
drive-through
and
trying
to
put
it
behind
the
building.
I
G
U
The
issue
here
is
not
simply
what
it
what's
involved
in
our
design
for
this
site,
but
whether
this
scooter's
building
should
be
allowed
on
this
site,
and
just
in
november
this.
The
rezoning
for
the
site
was
approved
for
the
to
allow
this
building
on
the
site,
and
it
was
on
consent
agenda
and
it
was
approved
unionism,
so
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
too.
D
Okay,
I'm
not
sure
that's
a
fair
reflection
of
the
opinion
at
the
time,
because
I
you
know
I
am
I'm
one
who
would
argue
that
yes,
there's
other
pieces
in
play
than
just
saying:
yep
we
loved
it
then
and
we
changed
opinion.
That's
not
the
situation.
J
Okay,
I
want
to
say
something:
I
I
see
the
need
for
a
coffee
shop.
Don't
get
don't
get
me
wrong
there,
but
living
there
and
being
there
for,
for
so
long,
raising
a
family,
seeing
the
change
in
demographics,
seeing
people
bike
and
walk.
I
can't
in
good
conscious
put
something
in
that's
traffic
heavy.
Definitely
when
I
see
little
kids
biking
and
walking,
I
want
you
guys
there
we
need
it.
We
need
a
coffee
shop,
but
the
design.
J
That's
my
only
hold
up
the
design,
the
bathrooms.
It's
it's
a
gathering,
beverage
and
and
we've
already
seen
what
has
happened
with
fairway,
that
community
will
will
show
up
if
they
don't
like
it,
that
you
will
hear
complaints.
They
are
probably
the
most
vocal
community
here
in
des
moines.
They
don't
like
something
they'll
say
it.
So
I'm
just
just
cautioning
you.
C
C
It
the
only
thing
the
city
is
not
willing
to
do
granting
all
these
waivers.
C
The
only
thing
that
they
would
not
I
mean
they
will
waive,
but
they
want
the
the
patio
and-
and
I
understand
a
couple
things
first
of
all-
that
you're
on
the
spot
and
are
standing
stead
for
someone
that
probably
was
prepared
to
be
the
presenters.
So
I
I
salute
you
for
that.
C
C
And
that
there
is
sufficient
parking
for
people
that
would
you
know
just
park
as
opposed
to
coming
in,
and
you
know,
and
and
walking
all
for
the
lack
of
a
patio.
D
I
I
would
rather
move
staff
because
we
discussed
this
last
time.
It
looks
the
exact
same.
I
understand
that
the
corporate
says
this
is
the
box.
You've
got
and
it
is
a
box
and
that's
what
we
got
and
it
it
is
a
ton
of
concessions.
Staff
has
done
a
whole
heck
of
a
lot
of
work.
Their
conclusion
is
that
this
doesn't
actually
align
with
the
investment
or
the
direction
or
the
goals
of
what
is
here.
I
I
don't
see
the
point
in
putting
concessions
through
to
this
level.
M
I
I
guess
the
easiest
way
for
me
to
summarize
my
thoughts
is
it's.
I
find
it
unbelievable.
It
got
this
far
if
we
have
a
code
that
requires
this
many
waivers
to
allow
something
it
should
never
have
gotten
past
staff,
it's
at
some
point.
Staff
has
to
be
empowered
and
the
city
has
to
be
empowered
to
say
this
is
not
the
right
use
for
this
piece
of
property.
M
M
M
V
I
think
that's
really
well
put
and
compelling,
but
I'd
say
as
a
counterweight
to
that
is:
look
at.
What's
there
now
and
what's
been
there
for
so
long,
it's
garbage,
so
this
is
better
than
that,
but
it's
just
not
the
highest
and
best.
So
if
we,
if
we
sort
of
nip
it
in
the
bud
right
here,
we're,
I
guess,
betting
that
something
better
is
going
to
come
along
next.
E
J
Something
better
has
come
along
scooters.
I
think
I
think
you
are
better.
It
just
has
to
mold
to
what
the
best
usage
is,
and
I
I
think
that
still
has
yet
to
be
seen.
I
think
we're
getting
there,
but
just
spend
some
time
in
that
neighborhood
and
you'll
you'll
immediately
know
what
the
vibe
is
there
and
and
what
needs
to
be
done.
G
Yes,
we
have
a
motion.
Chris
move
staff,
if
we
can
all
who
are
in
favor,
raise
you
right
now.
I
have
a
question.
G
C
C
G
Okay.
Moving
on
to
item
eleven
from
rm
madden
construction,
represented
by
michael
madden
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
the
type
2
design,
alternatives
for
a
property
located
at
408
broad
street
to
allow
construction
of
a
house
type
d
in
an
n5
neighborhood
district.
Allow
an
attached
garage
with
entrance
location
on
the
front
facade
waive
the
requirement
for
installation
of
a
public
sidewalk
along
street
is
required
and
kyle
will
be
presenting
from
staff.
K
Good
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
kyle
larson
planning
staff
tyler
asked
me
to
sing
a
song
to
you
all
which
I'm
not
gonna
gonna
do
tonight
so
I'll
spare
you
that,
but,
as
abby
mentioned
the
applicant
seeking
to
construct
a
house
type
d
in
five
district
on
broad
street,
you
can
see
the
subject
property
here
on
the
map
on
the
south
side
of
broad
street.
K
Just
east
of
southwest
5th,
located
on
the
south
side
of
des
moines,
in
a
primarily
residential
district,
took
a
couple
of
site
photos
to
give
you
some
context
of
the
subject
property
on
broad
street.
This
is
looking
to
the
west
subject.
Property
is
just
in
the
distance
on
the
left
side
of
the
street.
F
K
K
However,
looking
at
the
context
of
the
neighborhood,
if
I
can
go
back
a
couple
of
photos
here,
you
can
see
some
split
for
your
homes
with
attached
garages
on
the
front
kind
of
that
same
style.
That
madden
is
proposing,
which
is
kind
of
led
into
our
staff
recommendation
that
I'll
go
through
a
little
bit
later
on
again
here's
the
house
plan
provided
by
madden.
K
K
Going
back
to
our
staff
recommendation,
it's
kind
of
a
two-part
recommendation
because
there's
two
type,
two
design
alternatives
that
are
being
requested
by
the
applicant.
The
first
one
is
related
to
that
front.
Loaded
garage
that
I
mentioned
earlier
as
I
as
I
showed
in
the
pictures
and,
as
I
mentioned,
staff
feels
that
the
house
style
is
appropriate
for
the
neighborhood
and
the
neighborhood
context,
so
we
are
recommending
approval
for
the
first
type
2
design
alternative
for
that
front.
K
Loaded
garage,
the
second
type
2
design
alternative,
that's
being
requested,
is
waiver
of
the
sidewalk
requirement
the
process
for
sidewalk
requirements.
Whenever
we
have
a
builder
that
is
requesting
that
waiver
not
to
build
the
sidewalk,
I
do
consult
with
corey,
who
is
here
at
the
early
session.
We
review
the
recommendations
out
of
move
dsm.
K
K
However,
as
part
of
the
city's
2022
neighborhood
sidewalk
program,
the
city
will
be
constructing
sidewalk
along
the
north
side
of
broad
street,
from
southwest
9th
street
to
southwest
5th
street
and
along
southwest
5th
street
from
broad
street
to
pleasant
view,
drive
pleasantview
drive
is
located.
Two
blocks
south
of
broad.
E
F
Kyle,
just
to
make
sure
I
have
the
right
location
here,
this
location
is
a
few
blocks
away
from
park.
Avenue
elementary
school
is
that
right.
C
K
K
I
do
see
a
little
bit
of
sidewalk
a
block
south
on
virginia
kind
of
in
the
lower
left
part
of
the
the
map
here.
K
That's
that
sidewalk,
that
corey
mentioned
that
is
to
be
installed
would
be
along
southwest
5th
street
here
down
another
block
past
virginia
down
to
pleasant
view,
and
then
there
would
also
be
sidewalk
installed
on
the
north
side
of
broad
from
southwest
5th
street
here,
west,
all
the
way
to
southwest
9th
street.
K
G
G
H
G
K
H
K
F
K
You
can
kind
of
see
the
cross
grade
here
with
the
street
profile,
does
kind
of
trend
upward,
as
you
get
further
into
the
lot
past
the
right-of-way
line,
but
you
can
see
that
tree.
That's
existing
is
set
back
outside
of
the
right-of-way.
D
Just
to
clarify
the
house
design
looks
like
it
almost
exactly
mimics
all
the
other
houses
on
the
street
number
one
and
number
two,
the
sidewalk
issue
looks
exactly
like
one.
We
had
last
session.
It
looks
exactly
like
the
guidance
documentation
provided
to
us.
It
looks
like
if
we're
going
to
be
consistent
and
also
the
house
you're
talking
about
is
literally
one
house
outside
of
the
view
of
this
map.
It's
the
next
one
on
the
line
there,
just
so
it's
right
there
and
there
are
sidewalks
on
the
back
of
it
has
sidewalks
right.
D
K
D
J
K
K
Yes,
southwest
six
would
get
sidewalk
for
two
blocks
from
broad
street
down
to
east
pleasant
view.
Sorry,
fifth.
W
So,
as
I
was
saying,
the
three
houses
to
the
east
look
exactly
like
what
we're
proposing
actually
ended
up,
designing
a
house
to
look
just
like
them,
because
it
fit
really
well
gave
a
lot
of
good
square
footage
created
a
backyard
while
also
getting
the
garage
requirement
which
we've
pushed
back
against
ever
since
this
new
zoning
was
created.
W
W
There
is
just
too
much
slope
to
realistically
put
a
sidewalk
in
one
would
have
to
put
a
retaining
wall
in
or
go
into
the
neighbor's
property
15
feet
to
reshape
it
to
allow
for
a
sidewalk.
W
I
didn't
take
a
transit
out
to
get
the
exact
measurement,
but
it
based
on
just
walking
that
multiple
times
I'd
say
from
the
curb
to
the
property
line.
It
probably
rises
up
about
three
feet
on
that
west
property
line,
so
it
just
makes
it
really
difficult
to
put
that
sidewalk
in
that's
yeah.
It's
a
better
picture
of
it
there
that
neighbor
is
going
to
have
a
hard
time
putting
a
sidewalk
in
or
the
city
will,
if
they
ended
up
extending
that
out.
W
E
G
D
G
D
W
Okay,
but
with
that
being
said,
the
cost
of
the
sidewalk
it
kind
of
gets
rolled
into
the
house
so
essentially
you're
going
to
just
price
people
out.
You
know
a
thousand
dollars
for
in
that
house.
If
they're
looking
in
that
market,
the
house
price
will
go
up
a
thousand.
We
can't
really
just
eat
that
cost.
D
Is
someone
in
a
150
dollar
house?
I
agree
on
affordability,
but
I
would
also
like
to
move
staff
because
I
think
it
just
looks
completely
inconsistent
if
we,
if
we
don't
move
staff
on
this
one
considering
week
after
week
and
the
guidance
documents
sent
it,
it
weakens
our
our
code
and
our
process
and
all
the
hard
work
that's
been
put
in
for
years
before.
If
we
don't
move
staff
on
this.
F
You
just
haven't,
got
a
quick
point
that
again
going
back
to
the
process
that
we
established
for
a
sidewalk
waiver.
We
went
through
all
of
that
set
priorities
provided
staff
with
the
authority
to
do
this
in
the
times
that
it
made
sense
to
do
so
and
the
times
that
didn't
make
sense
to
do
so.
We
have
to
see
those
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
back
up
chris
on
this
one,
because
we
have
a
process
now
in
place.
F
G
Okay,
the
motion
is
to
move
staff
if
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand,
please.
L
G
Amendment
to
the
plan
dsm
plan,
future
land
use
classification
from
community
mixed
use
within
a
community
node
to
industrial
use
within
a
community
node
rezoned
property
from
mx3
mixed
use,
district
to
i1
industrial
district
to
allow
the
use
of
the
property
for
a
mix
of
use
uses,
including
an
industrial
service.
Intensive
use
for
a
landscaping
company
with
outdoor
storage
and
a
vehicle
maintenance
repair
miner
for
vehicle
upholstery
and
sri
roshi
is
going
to
be
presenting
from
staff.
N
Thank
you,
madam
chairs,
for
yoshi
chakravarthi
planning
staff.
This
is
a
rezoning
request
for
a
property
that
is
in
the
vicinity
of
12
10
and
12
20
army
post
road.
I
just
want
to
give
you
all
a
little
bit
background
on
the
the
rezoning
request
itself
and
the
purpose
of
it.
N
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
occupy
the
existing
building
with
a
couple
different
uses,
one
of
which
is
a
landscaping
company
with
outdoor
storage
and
the
other
is
a
vehicle
upholstery
shop.
Both
of
these
users
are
currently
not
permitted
in
the
in
the
district.
It's
the
the
property
is
zoned
mx3,
limited
mx3,
and
these
two
uses
are
specifically
not
permitted,
which
is
why
the
applicant
is
seeking
rezoning
in
order
to
be
able
to
accommodate
these
two
users.
N
I
will
mention
that
the
current
owner
is
renting
out
the
the
building
space
and
the
landscaping
company
with
the
outdoor
storage,
as
well
as
the
vehicle
upholstery
shop,
is,
is
part
of
the
the
the
building,
but
in
order
for
them
to
be
in
conformance
with
the
zoning
district,
they
have
they.
They
have
to
seek
this
rezoning,
which
is
why
they
are
here
before
you
today.
N
So
this
is
the
subject:
property
right
here.
It's
on
the
commercial
corridor
of
army
post
road,
it's
just
east
of
southwest
13th
street
and
most
of
the
area
immediately.
North
and
south
of
this
is
predominantly
low
density
residential,
but
there
is
small
scale:
commercial
along
this
corridor.
This
property
is
also
within
a
future
land
use.
Community
business
land
use
node.
N
N
Again,
the
a
few
pictures
just
to
give
you
a
a
kind
of
a
context
of
the
of
the
site
and
what's
going
on
this-
is
the
entrance
from
the
back
into
the
storage
area
where
the
applicant
is
currently
renting
out
or
their
renters,
using
that
space
for
outdoor
storage
and
here's
another
picture
of
the
storage
area
in
the
back.
N
This
is
the
front
of
the
of
the
property
and
the
and
the
building
a
few
more
pictures.
The
vehicle
upholstery
shop
is
in
the
front.
N
Some
parking
with
trailers
and
so
on
in
the
front
here's
a
close-up
of
the
building.
N
This
is
a
side
sketch
and
gives
you
an
idea
of
the
site.
Here's
army
post
road
right
here
this
is
the
existing
building.
The
building
is
about
fifteen
thousand
a
little
over
fifteen
thousand
square
foot.
There's
a
proposed
addition
here
at
the
back,
and
this
is
where,
if
you
can
follow
the
mouse
right
here,
this
is
where
they're
proposing
storage,
it's
going
to
be
paved
and
I'll.
Just
move
to
the
plan
right
here
you
can
see.
There's
some
screening
proposed
some
trees
and
landscaping.
N
There's
also
there'll
also
be
a
six
foot
tall
fence.
That'll
provide
some
screening
from
the
adjacent
properties.
N
As
you
may
have
seen
in
the
in
this
stock
report,
we
provided
some
zoning
history
regarding
this
particular
property.
The
applicant
has
come
before
to
seek
rezoning
of
the
property
a
few
times.
I
won't
go
into
too
much
detail,
but
I'll
just
kind
of
chronologically
list.
N
The
the
ones
that
came
forward
in
2017
city
council
denied
a
request
to
rezone
the
property,
to
m1
light
industrial
to
allow
the
use
of
the
building
for
warehouse,
bowling,
pin,
refurbishing
and
automobile
painting
again
in
2017.
The
zoning
board
of
adjustment
denied
a
request
as
well
for
a
used
variant
to
allow
the
use
of
the
building
for
an
ice
warehouse
and
distribution
facility
in
2018.
The
zoning
board
of
adjustment
did
grant
an
exception,
which
was
subject
to
several
conditions
which
are
outlined
in
the
report.
N
In
2019,
the
property
was
rezoned
from
c2
and
highway-oriented
commercial
district
to
rx1
as
part
of
the
city-wide
rezoning
that
happened,
and
in
in
2020
city
council
rezoned,
the
property
from
rx1
neighborhood
mixed
use,
district
to
a
limited
mx3
mixed-use
district,
which
is
what
the
current
zoning
of
the
property
is.
There
were
several
conditions
that
were
part
of
this
rezoning,
which
are
listed
there.
Specifically.
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
the
vehicle
maintenance
repair
miner,
which
is
one
of
the
use
that
the
applicant
is
proposing,
was
disallowed.
N
Staff
thinks
that
industrial
users
should
be
located
in
areas
in
the
city
which
are
designated
for
these.
These
type
of
uses,
as
you
saw,
this
property,
is
located
along
army
post
in
an
area
that
is
mostly
small
scale
commercial
uses
along
the
corridor
and
if
you
go
a
little
further
north
and
south,
it's
low,
dens,
low
density,
residential,
so
rezoning
the
property
to
industrial
could
have
significant
negative
impact
on
the
adjacent
adjacent
land
landowners
in
the
residential
area.
N
So
staff
is
not
supportive
of
the
of
the
rezoning
request.
Should
the
rezoning
be
denied
the
applicant
does
have
the
option
to
seek
a
use,
variance
from
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment
within
a
year
of
such
a
denial.
N
Therefore,
staff
is
recommending
denial
of
the
two
requests
of
amending
the
planned
dsm.
Future
land
use,
designation
from
community
mixed
use
to
industrial,
as
well
as
the
rezoning
request
from
mx3
mixed-use
district
to
i1
industrial
district.
Since
it's
not,
in
conformance
with
the
existing
plan,
dsm
future
land
use
designation.
N
So
that's
all
I
have,
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'll,
be
happy
to
take
them
at
this
time.
I
did
want
to
share
the
consent
map
we
received.
We
received
some
comment
cards
back.
We
got
three
comment
cards
in
opposition.
We
got
a
couple
in
support.
N
I
will
point
out
that
this,
this
property
to
the
east
belongs
to
the
is
owned
by
the
applicant,
and
these
are
the
specific
comment
cards
I'll
stop
here
for
a
second
for
you
to
read
those.
N
Finally,
we
we
got
a
couple
emails.
One
of
them
is
from
property
directly
west.
I
can
show
you
on
the
map
right
here,
so
it's
one
of
the
properties
right
here
that
sent
a
common
card
in
opposition.
They
also
sent
us
a
letter
and
you
can
read
there
and
they're
not
in
support
of
the
of
the
rezoning
request.
N
C
N
Yeah
I'll
just
yeah.
N
N
Yeah
they,
in
summary,
they
had
similar
concerns
to
what
staff
had
that
the
industrial
use
would
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
on
the
adjacent
residential
areas
and
not
compatible
with
the
users.
D
D
Their
best
cost
effective
opportunity
or
pathway
for
these
businesses
that
exist
is
to
go
through
an
alternative
use
which
requires
our
denial
here.
Is
that
right?
So
in
order
for
them
to
have
access
to
this
use
in
some
way
that
isn't
industrial,
which
isn't
an
industrial
place,
we
would
have
to
deny
to
give
them
that
opportunity
is
that
right.
N
Yeah,
the
the
denial
offers
them
an
opportunity
to
go
to
the
board
of
adjustment,
to
seek
approval
for
the
specific
use
that
they
are,
that
they
are
proposing.
H
Yeah
and
that's,
we
had
a
circumstance
chris
you're,
probably
thinking
of
from
a
month
or
two
ago,
on
armory
post,
not
too
far
from
here.
There
was
kind
of
a
similar
situation
with
regard
to
industrial
use
and
discussion
about
how
it
didn't
match
up
with
the
future
land
use
map.
The
other
thing
that
I
did
want
to
point
out-
I
don't
know
if
treyaosha
you
want
to
go
in
the
staff
report
to
where
the
zoning
history
is,
but
the
existing
zoning
conditions
that
the
applicant
agreed
to
in
2020.
H
You
know,
I
believe,
triocious
indicated
that
one
of
the
uses
that
they've
installed
since
2020
actually
does
not
comply
with
the
zoning
conditions
that
they
agreed
to.
In
writing.
They
also
the
if
you
go
to
the
zoning
conditions,
two
and
three
they
have
not
keep
scrolling
down.
H
D
Yeah,
so
I
I
wasn't
trying
to
ignore
the
fact
that
it
seems,
like
the
actions
of
the
property
currently
are
out
of
step
with
what
the
neighbors
want.
They
also
are
out
of
step
of
what
we've
approved.
That
seems
like
an
alternative
use
would
be
difficult
to
get
given
this
history,
but
an
industrial
seems
like
that.
N
Also
with
the
conditional
use
approval,
it
would
not
require
an
amendment
of
the
land
use
plan.
So
one
of
the
concerns
that
we
have
is
that
the
industrial
land
use
is
not
appropriate
for
this
area,
so
that
land
use
amendment
will
not
be
required.
X
E
X
At
our
civil
engineering
consultants,
2486th
street
in
urbandale,
representing
tiger
knight,
barry
nelson
with
tiger
nights,
president
tonight
also
staff
did
a
very
nice
job
of
presenting
this.
This
is
kind
of
a
complicated
thing.
I've
been
doing
this
for
a
long
time.
X
X
It
was
in
industrial
use
when
barry
bought
it,
it
was
c2
the
building
was
empty,
but,
as
you
could
see
from
the
photographs,
it's
a
very
substantial
building
doesn't
really
fit
with
the
neighborhood,
but
it's
also
a
very
building,
that's
in
very
good
shape,
so
we
sought
to
find
a
use
for
it
and,
as
you
can
see
from
the
history
that
has
been
gone
through,
we
went
from
a
c2
trying
to
fit
some
things
that
seemed
probably
more
industrial
that
got
denied.
X
We
were
able
to
go
to
board
of
adjustment,
to
try
and
do
exactly
what
was
described
here
tonight
that
was
denied.
So
then,
through
the
course
of
history,
the
city
re
did
an
over
the
city.
Overall,
rezoning
rezoned
the
property
to
something
that
was
nothing
like
what
the
building
is
unbeknownst
to
the
owner
and
eventually,
when
we
figured
it
out,
we
had
to
come
back
and
rezone
the
property
to
the
mx-3,
to
get
it
to
something
that
even
remotely
would
work
for
this
property.
X
So,
as
jason
mentioned,
there
were
restrictions
to
that
zoning,
which
we
were
a
part
of.
We
were
willing
to
do
and
barry
thought
that
the
users
that
he
was
signing
up
for
this
building
fit
within
those
classifications,
the
the
landscape
company-
is
allowed.
It
just
can't
have
outdoor
storage
or
trailers
in
the
parking
lot.
X
The
upholstery
company
is
repairing
upholstery
in
cars.
We
did
not
see
that
as
auto
repair,
so
we
think
there's
a
fine
line
there,
there's
no
car
sitting
in
the
parking
lot.
There's
no
sales
of
cars
happening
on
the
property.
These
are
all
things
that
we
were
told
we
were
restricted
from,
and
we
were
more
than
happy
to
do
that.
X
So
now
we're
to
a
point
where
zoning
code
enforcement
came
around
and
started
to
scrutinize
what
was
going
on
in
the
building
and
those
users
have
been
in
there
for
a
couple
years
and
telling
us
basically,
we've
got
to
go
back
through
a
rezoning
to
make
these
uses
applicable.
X
We
don't
want
to
rezone
it,
but
that
was
the
the
recommendation.
The
recommendation
was,
I
won
industrial
of
all
things,
not
something
that
we
were
looking
for,
so
we're
at
this
little
bit
of
a
rock
between
you
know
between
a
hard
place.
We
we.
What
do
we
do?
We
feel
like
we're
doing
what
we
were
told
to
do
with
the
mx3,
but
now
we're
cutting.
You
know
we're
splitting
hairs
on
this.
There's
really
the
landscape
company.
X
All
they
do
is
park
trailers
at
night
and
then
they
leave
in
the
morning
those
those
aren't
there
during
the
day.
No
one
parks
cars
there
at
night.
If
there's
a
car
park,
there's
because
there's
workers
there
working
during
the
day
there's
all
the
cars
are
licensed.
There's
nobody
trying
to
sell
a
car
from
the
lot
the
upholstery
company
brings
the
cars
into
the
building
and
works
on
them.
There's
not
a
storage
area
out
there
for
the
for
stuff
for
cars
that
they're
working
on
so
we're
and
we
have
done.
X
We
have
prepared
a
site
plan.
It
was
shown
tonight,
but
we
also
have
an
approved
site
plan
where
he
was
able
to
put
on
an
addition
on
the
back
of
the
building.
Then
the
next
step
was
to
come
back
with
a
further
site
plan
which
we
repaired.
We
prepared
probably
two
years
ago
then
covet
hit
and
now
we're
back
trying
to
get
some
of
this
stuff
squared
away.
X
So
to
make
a
long
story
short
we're
a
little
bit
frustrated,
we're
trying
to
figure
out
why
the
uses
we
thought
were
allowed
aren't
allowed
we're
afraid
that
if
we
go
to
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment,
it'll
be
the
same
thing
that
happened
last
time
will
be
denied
we're
done
with
that
action.
Then
you
can't
go
back
so
in
our
minds.
X
We
just
would
like
to
know
what
classification
we
would
be
in
to
have
these
uses.
I
think
it's
unfair
the
cards
you
would
read
and
any
of
the
responses
you've
got
from
the
neighborhood.
No
one
came
to
our
neighborhood
meeting,
except
for
one
gentleman.
That's
here
tonight
all
the
responses
act
as
if
we're
going
to
build
an
industrial
facility.
X
I
think
that's
unfair.
The
building's
been
there
since
1960
the
uses
have
been
there
for
two
years.
No
one's
complained
about
the
uses.
So
it's
a
little
bit
disingenuous
to
look
at
what
the
neighborhood
responses
have
been
because
they
are
there
they're,
acting
as
if
we're
trying
to
turn
this
into
an
industrial
facility.
X
So
I've
been
doing
this
for
over
40
years,
I'm
a
little
bit
frustrated.
I
present
all
over
the
metro
and
I
can't
figure
out
what
the
proper
process
really
should
be
to
get
barry
back
in
compliance
with
the
city.
We
thought
we
were
doing
it
correctly,
but
we're
told
we
have
to
do
something
different
I'd
like
some
discussion,
I'd
like
to
know
what
you
all
think
we're
not
trying
to
build
something
we're
just
trying
to
utilize.
X
The
facility
along
army
post
road
barry
actually
owns
the
lot
to
the
east
that
you've
made
made
aware
of
that
he's
cleaned
that
up
he's
gotten
users
in
that
he
actually,
this
property
actually
went
all
the
way
back
to
west
street.
Originally
it
was
commercial
all
the
way
back.
We
re-zoned
that
to
residential
he's,
put
a
house
on
it,
so
he's
being
a
good
neighbor
along
west
street,
so
we're
kind
of
like
thinking.
We
don't
know
what
to
do
next
and
I
don't
think
it's
fair
to
say
you
can't
use
the
building.
X
X
Well,
I
threw
this
picture
and
I
don't
know:
can
you
guys
flip
to
the
camera?
Yes
really.
I
just
threw
this
up
here,
because
this
is
the
actual
outdoor
storage
area
that
we're
asking
for
it
wouldn't
be
seen
from
the
street.
It
actually
backs
to
the
lot
but
very
owns,
and
it's
probably
going
to
live
on,
and
it
would
have
the
proper
screening
and
everything
like
that,
so
it
it's
kind
of
the
next
step
from
the
site
plan
that
we've
already
had
approved,
which
required
that
to
be
paved
so
now.
X
X
Well,
outdoor
storage
have
there's,
there's
a
broad
list
of
things
that
could
be
stored
there.
If
it's,
if
it's
allowed
to
be
outdoor
storage,
he
has
vehicles
that
come
in
and
out
of
the
back
end
of
that
building
the
landscape
company
is
there.
They
have
trailers,
but
it's
a
it's
a
fairly
large
paved
area.
So
there's
things
that
you
know
he
they
don't
bring
materials
to
the
site.
X
It's
really
just
their
equipment,
their
trailers,
any
landscape
company,
would
have
they
don't
store
plant
material
or
dirt,
or
anything
like
that,
oh
well,
then,
of
course,
barry
barry
also
occupies
the
back
side,
the
back
end
of
the
of
the
building,
so
he
has
vehicles
that
he
brings
in
and
out
of
the
building,
but
that
was
always
the
intent
when
we
did
the
very
first
site
plan.
J
Y
Hi,
my
name
is
barry
nelson.
I
live
at
13947
oak
brook
drive
in
urbandale
to
answer
your
question.
The
landscaping
company
has
two
or
three
trailers.
They
use
them
all
almost
daily.
They
got
a
dump
trailer.
Sometimes
they
don't.
They
would
like
to
be
able
to
park
it
on
the
parking
lot
in
front
of
the
space
that
they
rent
and
the
only
thing
that
is
stopping
them
is
that
we
don't
have
outdoor
storage
for
this
building
because
of
mx3
the
auto
top
company.
Y
They
do
auto
top
and
upholstery
for
boats,
and
they
do
love
seats
and
couches,
and
just
about
anything
we
didn't
deem
that
minor,
auto
repair,
we're
not
doing
shocks
and
brakes
and
mufflers
and
engines.
They
have
high-end
cars,
porsches
lamborghinis,
classic
cars
coming
in
for
new
seats
to
be
restored
or
somebody's
convertible
on
their
mustang.
Y
They
I
love
walking
over
there
and
just
seeing
what
they
got
in
the
shop.
They
can
fit
five
cars
inside
and
then
they
have
customers
that
drop
them
off
and
leave
them
outside
and
they
make
ed's
saying
nothing
sits
overnight.
They
have
some
cars,
but
they're
nice
that
usually
sit.
They
had
an
old
hearse
come
in
the
other
day,
so
that
didn't
look
so
nice,
but
somebody
wanted
a
new
land
out
top
on
her.
Y
So
I
don't
I'm
not
looking
for
egregious
high
industrial,
so
the
cards
that
came
in
and
are
afraid
we're
going
to
turn
this
into
a
big
industry
or
rock
crushing
plant,
or
something
not
looking
for
that
at
all
this
building.
When
I
bought
it
was
more
office
and
retail
and
retail
is
pretty
much
dead
because
amazon
and
walmart
and
all
the
online
sales
is
killing
retail
office.
Space
is
fairly
dead
now,
due
to
covid,
because
30
to
40
percent
of
america
learn
to
work
from
home.
Y
So
I
am
trying
to
cater
to
service
oriented
businesses
that
need
between
fifteen
hundred
and
six
thousand
square
feet
for
storage
and
to
operate
so
the
guys
got
like
eight
mowers
and
he
puts
them
all
inside
every
night,
and
so
the
trailers
sit
outside
overnight
the
next
morning.
They
all
show
up
load
up
all
the
mowers
and
away
they
go
in.
The
back
is
where
I'm
at,
and
you
saw
the
new
addition
on
the
back.
Y
So
to
answer
your
question:
there
are
some
trailers
that
the
lawn
care
guy
would
like
to
store
on
the
lot
during
the
day
when
they're
not
out
mowing
or
it's
raining
or
whatever,
the
auto
top
guy.
I
think
that
calling
that
a
minor,
auto
repair
is
a
loose
and
negative
definition
for
this
purpose.
I
don't
see
that
as
oft,
you
know
they're
they're,
doing
seats
I'll
take
any
other
questions.
Y
In
this
picture,
it
would
be
on
the
left
hand,
side
is
the
auto
top
place,
then,
where
the
handicapped
area
is
there's
a
door
there
and
that's
where
the
yeah.
Y
J
J
So
I'm
a
I'm
a
landscaper,
so
I
I'm
currently
looking
for
land
now
my
business
is
growing
and
booming,
so
I
I
absolutely
understand
that
businesses
need
and
I'm
definitely
sympathetic
to
it.
So
I
get
it.
I
guess
what
what's
the
city's
concerns
with
parking
trailers
like
that
and
how
can
we
be
flexible
enough
to
at
least
move
those
to
the
back?
If
and
and
what
would
you
advise.
Y
If,
if
you
would
grant,
I
one
I'd
be
willing
to
get
rid
of
any
use
that
you
think
is
too
egregious
we're
going
for
i1
simply
so
I
can
have
some
outdoor
storage
in
the
back
there
at
least,
and
then
maybe
if
the
lawn
care
guy
could
do
his
trailers
on
the
front.
But
again
I
think
we
could
possibly
work
around
that
too.
It's
just
going
to
be
a
pain
in
the
butt
for
him
to
put
him
in
the
back
every
night.
Y
Y
The
only
guy
that
showed
up
to
our
meeting
is
here.
Would
you
like
to
speak
yeah
and
give
them
your
opinion.
Y
G
Z
So
I'm
scott
westerkamp
1116
army,
post
road,
I
represent
the
church
that
borders
their
property.
Z
Z
I
know
what
they
do
they
I
says
the
only
problem
you'll
have
from
us
is:
if
you
want
to
put
a
bar
or
a
strip
club
or
something
in
the
building,
then
then
we'll
have
a
problem,
but
I'm
all
for
him.
Hopefully
you
guys
can
work
something
out
to
where
he's
able
to
use
his
building
for
the
tenants
he
has
and
help
that
area
to
prosper.
H
And
I'll
go
ahead
and
answer
the
the
question
so
and
the
outdoor
store
first,
I
want
to
clarify-
and
I
think
this
is
kind
of
part
of
your
question
and
part
of
the
applicant's
question
about
what
is
driving
the
i1
zoning,
and
I
do
want
to
clarify
that.
It's
that
the
outdoor
storage
component
of
the
businesses
that
he's
discussing
is
what
needs
the
i1
zoning.
H
The
challenge
with
the
auto
upholstery
business
is
that
there's
that
could
be
allowed
in
the
mx3
district,
but
in
2020
it
was
re-zoned
that
was
one
of
the
uses
that
was
agreed
to
to
be
prohibited.
So
you
know
there's
a
couple
different
things.
You
know.
If,
if
you
isolated
outdoor
storage,
you
know
the
focus
would
be
more
about,
you
know.
Does
that
zoning
condition
you
know.
H
Does
that
particular
use
makes
sense
that
postery,
because
it
is
allowed
in
mx3
if
the
zoning
conditions
were
amended
from
just
the
the
thing
to
remember,
and
this
goes
back
to
kind
of
what
we're
talking
about
a
little
bit
earlier
and
chris
alluded
to
this
to
rezone
this
to
an
industrial
zone
industry.
H
H
Had
these
same
discussions,
and
just
you
know
the
it's
not
a
place
to
do
an
industrial
type.
Zoning
from
our
perspective,
the
applicant
would
have
the
ability
to
go
to
the
board
adjustment
to
allow
outdoor
storage
as
a
use,
variance
if
the
rezoning
is
denied.
I
know
that
that's
more
process
and
uncertainty
at
this
point
for
them,
but
that
is
a
process
that
allows
you
to
look
at
unique
circumstance.
H
You
know
unique
buildings
settings
those
kinds
of
things
that
really
the
the
thing
about
changing
the
zoning
and
amending
the
future
land
use
map
is
that
runs
with
the
property
in
perpetuity.
H
There's
it's
it's
a
kind
of
a
very
long-term
decision
to
be
making
and
really
I
respect
the
short-term
issues
the
applicant
has,
but
from
a
just
big
city,
long-term
thinking,
that's
the
challenge.
We
have
a
staff,
I
think
the
the
upholstery
thing
maybe
is
after
hearing
it.
Maybe
that
is
kind
of
a
separate.
You
know
kind
of
secondary
and
if
that
was
the
only
part
of
what
the
applicant's
request
was,
we
would
have
just
advised
them
to
just
seek
rezoning
to
lift
that
specific
condition,
but
because
they
wanted
the
outdoor
storage.
H
H
Those
are
prohibited,
uses
on
the
property
currently
and
so
sometimes
we'll
have
zonia
requests
they're
actually
just
to
amend
the
list
of
per
you
know
list
of
conditions
of
previously
approved
zoning
conditions.
So
you
could
you
know
this
proposal
could
be
amended
to
allow
for
vehicle
maintenance
repair
minor.
You
know
like
strike
that
last
part
of
you
know.
That
could
be
that
if
you
just
did
that,
you
would
allow
that
use
and
you
wouldn't
have
to
change
the
overall
zoning
to
i1.
H
It's
and
again,
just
to
reiterate
it's
really
just
outdoor
storage,
that's
driving
the
i1.
H
It's
hard,
I
don't
make
the
zoning
interpretations
and
decisions,
you
know,
that's
our
neighborhood
services
department
and
eric
lundy's
is
a
zoning
officer
and
stuff.
I
I
guess
at
this.
I
think
what
I
would
suggest
is
if
you
want
us
to
look
a
little
closer
at
that
part
of
the
project,
I
would
recommend
we
continue
the
item
and
visit
with
the
applicant
and
eric,
but
I
I
think
what
I
can
tell
you
is
that
when
we
come
back,
staff
will
not
still.
J
Businessman
entrepreneur,
my
only
worry,
is
I
don't
want
to
put
this
man
out
of
business,
so
I
would
at
least
like
to
learn
to
see
how
we
can
figure
out
the
upholstery,
because
it
sounds
like
it's
just
chairs,
where
they're
unbolting,
chairs
from
a
vehicle
and
putting
fabric
on
it
and
the
vehicle
has
to
be
there
because
the
customer's
not
going
to
do
that.
The
landscaping
I
mean
I'd,
err
on
what
the
city
says
on
that,
but
yeah.
H
You
know
we
can
pull
up
the
code,
but
it's
you
know
it's.
It's
it's
trailers,
it's
equipment,
it's
product.
Is
it
vehicles?
It's
not
a
it's.
Not
a
standard
vehicle.
That'd
be
a
that's
part.
I
mean,
if
you
get
into
heavy
equipment,
that
you
know,
there's
a
gray
line
when.
X
H
Yeah
I
mean
it
would
have
I
mean
I
believe
our
ordinance
has
a
definition
of
what
a
building
is.
You
know
it's
like
sighted
and
enclosed,
so
that
would
still
be
a
building
really
yeah.
It
really
needs
to
be
in
a
you
know:
sighted
roof
building
I
mean
I
I
hear
that
there
is
space
within
the
building.
That's
available.
I
mean
they
just.
X
X
H
But
are
you
do
you
want
to
continue
it
and
talk
a
little
more?
Do
you
want
or
not.
X
Y
So
I'm
sitting
I
asked
well
if
I
have
to
pay
that,
and
I
can't
use
it
they're
saying:
well,
it's
access
to
the
building.
Well,
I
only
need
a
20-foot
wide
path
to
the
two
overhead
doors
that
are
on
that
east
end
of
the
back
new
part.
I
don't
understand
why
the
code
says
I
have
to
pave
it
and
then
says:
well,
no,
you
can't
use
it.
H
G
G
Okay,
we'll
go
ahead
and
vote.
F
F
What
we're
voting
on
we're
pushing
to
continue
so
that
the
request
can
come
back
as
an
mx3
with
outdoor
storage?
Is
that
right.
F
H
Well,
I
think
what
you're
doing
is
continue.
First,
we
need
to
pick
a
date
that
we're
continuing
to,
but
that
so
we
can
visit
with
applicant
a
little
bit
further
and
see
if
there's
something
that's
in
you
know,
that's
the
you
know,
staff
would
be
willing
to
we're
willing
to
look
at
those
conditions,
the
limitations
on
the
mx3,
and
so
I
think,
they're
open
to
hearing
that
and
thinking
about
it.
But
I
can't
guarantee
you
that
we
won't
be
back
here
that
they
may
still
decide
after
contemplating
it
that
they
really
need
the
i1.
H
X
X
I,
but
I
do
want
to
ask
or
make
a
point
so
barry
understands
whether
the
i1
gets
approved
or
denied
the
amex
modifying
the
mx3
is
a
separate
public
hearing
item.
Isn't
it
would
that
be
a
separate.
H
We
would
need
to
I'll
need
to
visit
with
legal
to
see
if
we'd
have
to
do
a
new
notice,
but
what
we've
done
in
the
past,
I
think
there's
possibly
an
avenue,
because
what
we
are,
what
we
be
moving
towards
is
less
more
restrictive
so,
and
it's
also
based
off
of
the
zoning
that
exists
today.
Yes,
I
think
we
might
have
the
room
to
not
have
to
re-notify
it.
G
H
I
do
have
two
quick
things:
first,
hopefully
everybody
got
the
email
about
the
cultural
competence,
training
for
the
boards
and
commissions.
Just
as
a
reminder,
please
do
that
if
you
have
questions
about
it,
if
you
didn't
get
the
email
from
our
from
hr
in
the
city
manager's
office
on
behalf
of
the
mayor,
please
let
us
know,
and
then
the
other
is
that
we
have
an
announcement
to
make
and
I'll
hand
it
over.
I
I
I've
enjoyed
it
very
much,
but
it's
time,
and
so
I
wanted
to
bring
a
treat.
So
I
have
two
treats
and
notice
the
pink
box,
so
I
made
ted
lasso
biscuits.
I
So
if
you've
seen
ted
lasso,
here's
a
biscuit
and
he
always
has
them
in
a
pink
box.