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From YouTube: 12-15-22 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, December 15, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
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Thank
you,
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Jason
Madness
or
the
planning
staff.
Our
5
30
session
today
is
a
little
presentation
on
the
downtown
Des
Moines
future
forward
plan.
It's
a
revisit
or
re-look
at
downtown
and
looking
how
to
shape
shape
it
as
we
move
forward.
It
is
an
action
item
on
the
agenda.
C
Consent
item
number
one
to
be
adopted
as
an
element
of
plan
DSM
the
city's
overarching
comprehensive
plan
and
with
that
I
think
I'll
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
Tiffany
and
Marty
they're,
going
to
give
a
kind
of
an
opening
and
a
solid
presentation
talk
about
what
they've
what
was
learned
and
what's
recommended
and
how
we
hope
to
move
the
project
forward.
So
if
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
come
up
and
take
away.
E
We
worked
very
closely
with
Marty
shukert
from
RDG
the
hold
RG
RDG
team,
as
well
as
civitas
and
Baton
Global
different
consulting
firms
to
help
us
with
this
work
and
again
just
want
to
thank
the
city
staff,
who
played
a
very,
very
critical
role
in
helping
us
move
through
this
work
and
make
sure
that
we
were
doing
so
in
an
inclusive
and
thoughtful
manner,
but
very
excited
about
the
downtown
DSM
Future
Ford
Vision
plan
and
action
plan
and
presenting
this
information
to
you
tonight.
Marty.
F
That's
definitely
so
you
missed
the
thank
you
slides,
so
we
could
say
thank
you.
The
presentation
is
over,
but
we
will
not
do
that
tonight.
F
So
I'm
Marty
secret
from
RDG
I
am
from
the
Omaha
office,
although
my
partners
and
friends
from
the
Des
Moines
office,
of
course,
LED
this
this
process.
It's
a
real
pleasure
to
be
here
this
evening
to
give
you
a
brief
introduction
to
the
plan.
F
The
plan,
as
Tiffany
mentioned
was
it
was
an
extremely
inclusive
process.
It
literally
involved
thousands
of
people
in
different
in
different
ways
through
surveys,
interviews,
participation
in
committees,
variety
of
different
types
of
of
roles
and
functions
all
together
over
almost
8
000
people
had
some
input
into
the
development
of
the
plan.
F
Some
of
these
are
formalized
groups,
so
we
had
a
28-member
steering
committee
that
worked
a
very
assiduously
throughout
the
process,
was
a
great
sounding
board
through
throughout
the
the
process
and
also
uniquely
had
something
that
we
call
the
future
forward
Council.
So
this
were
39
representatives
of
groups
who
usually
are
not
represented
in
projects
like
this
of
neighborhood
groups,
Community
organizations
and
so
forth.
So,
in
addition
to
the
kind
of
normal
suspects,
there
were
many
people
involved
who
who
were
new
to
downtown
planning
throughout
the
process.
F
Another
important
theme
was
the
idea
of
a
changing
Workforce,
which
was
really
brought
on
us
by
covet,
but
has
a
tremendous
impact
on
on
on
planning
and
policy
for
downtown
a
significant
component
and
input
into
the
process
was
a
Workforce,
Trends
and
occupancy
study.
So
the
core
of
this
involved
a
a
survey,
our
5200
employees
in
the
Des
Moines
metropolitan
area,
and
it
indicated
that
first
of
all,
hybrid
work
is
going
to
be
a
constant.
F
So
although
people
didn't
necessarily
work
five
days
a
week,
eight
hours
a
day
in
downtown,
they
did
have
a
strong
affinity
for
downtown
and
for
its
overall
health.
The
plan
also
included
a
review
of
the
over
40
documents
that
have
been
done
in
past
years
that
are
relevant
to
downtown
and
built
on
that
leading
to
a
vision,
statement
that
succinctly
and
in
a
very
concise
way
expressed.
F
What
was
the
overall
idea
of
the
plan,
the
overall
unifying
idea
and
goal
for
the
plan,
and
that
is
the
downtown
DSM
downtown
Des
Moines
is
the
happens
with
PowerPoints
down
downtown
Des
Moines
is
the
destination
for
inclusive
opportunities
and
welcome
surprises
a
destination
that
includes
that
provides
opportunity
for
people
of
of
of
all
incomes
and
and
all
types
and
has
things
to
discover
in
the
process
of
of
of
of
the
downtown
process.
F
The
the
downtown
plan
includes
criteria
or,
as
we
call
them
lenses
to
test
its
recommendations.
Are
they
inclusive?
Do
they
contribute
to
vibrancy?
Do
they
provide
Choice?
Are
they
sustainable
environmentally?
Do
they
encourage
economic
Vitality?
Do
they
encourage
health
and
wellness?
F
The
goals,
then,
of
the
plan
derive
through
this
process,
we're
five-fold
to
establish
a
welcoming
Urban
neighborhood,
the
concept
of
increased
residential,
increased
population
for
people
at
all
stages
in
life,
including
families
in
downtown
inclusive
arts
and
entertainment,
recognizing
the
importance
of
arts
and
culture
to
downtown
and
the
importance
of
including
a
number
of
of
people
in
that
process.
F
A
rewarding
market
for
development,
understanding
that
people
that
downtown
is
driven
by
developers
and
people
have
to
make
money
doing
good
things,
a
vibrant
outdoor,
our
city
and
understanding
again
and
and
a
goal
that
that
is
based
on
the
incredible
outdoor
Investments
that
have
been
made
in
in
in
life
and
that
are
yet
to
be
made
and
are
in
process
in
downtown
Des,
Moines
and
surrounding
areas
and
finally,
connected
and
sustainable
Mobility.
F
The
ability
to
move
around
the
district
to
move
to
to
the
district
by
a
variety
of
means,
with
a
real
emphasis
on
walkability
bikeability,
effectively
active
Transportation.
F
F
The
green
ring
really
came
out
of
mapping
that
we
were
doing
looking
at
the
structure
of
open
space
in
downtown
at
the
at
the
combination
of
the
riverfront
and
Riverfront
Trails,
the
Papa
John's
Sculpture
Park
and
the
West
Gateway
the
capitol
grounds,
the
other
neighborhood
parks
in
the
area
and
looking
at
the
gaps
that
were
needed
to
complete.
That
that
that
Circle,
usually
on
Street
connections,
that
needed
to
be
needed
to
be
made-
and
this
ring
really
does
tie
everything
together
in
terms
of
the
of
of
the
surrounding
area.
F
So
here
you
see
the
completed
parts
of
the
green
ring,
the
dotted
lines
being
those
that
require
attention,
the
purple
lines
being
the
Skywalk
Network
or
components
of
that
that
that
that
that
also
speak
to
the
completion
of
this
of
this
connected
outdoor
space,
you'll
see
renderings
that
illustrate
one
part
of
individual
parts.
So
so
here
we're
looking
at
15th,
Street,
15th,
16th,
Street,
a
connection
North
between
the
riverfront
and
and
the
Western
Gateway.
F
The
way
that
it
looks
today
and
the
way
that
it
might
look
in
the
future
providing
opportunity
for
both
pedestrian
Auto
and
bicycle
circulation,
parking
for
surrounding
businesses
and
taking
a
street
and
converting
it
into
a
combination
of
a
transportation
facility
and
a
connection
of
of
a
green
system.
F
Number
two,
the
skywalks
skywalks
have
been
controversial
for
decades
and
they
remain.
They
remain
controversial
today.
People
love
them
and
hate
them
generally.
Today,
people
loved
them
and
and
on
other
occasions,
not
not,
maybe
so
much
the
idea
of
reimagining
the
skywalks
begins
with
making
the
Skywalk
system
more
readable
and
that
involved
rationalizing
the
system
almost
like.
We
would
look
at
a
Transit
line
into
color-coded
routes
that
are
destination
based,
making
the
entire
maze
a
lot
more
readable
and
and
and
a
lot
easier
to
use
and
understand.
F
The
next
component
was
the
relationship
between
the
skywalks
and
and
street
level
activity
and
enhancing
the
the
interface
between
the
upper
level
and
the
lower
level
in
ways
that
don't
necessarily
really
work
all
that
well
today,
making
the
entrances
in
the
connect
questions
three-dimensional
and
and
very
obvious.
Thirdly,
taking
this
sometimes
unlocked
facility
and
looking
at
other
examples
of
where
other
unloved
and
not
very
heavily
used.
Transportation
facilities
have
turned
into
major
Community
assets,
and
so
so,
what
you're?
F
Seeing
here's
The
High
Line
in
New
York
City,
an
abandoned,
elevated
railroad
that
has
been
converted
into
one
of
the
great
attractions
of
the
city
and
as
and
as
such,
has
really
enhanced
street
life
and
Street
commercial
activity,
rather
than
competing
with
it.
F
So
the
Skywalk
concept
takes
two
major
linkages
from
the
library
and
and
and
and
and
the
Western
Gateway
To
The
River
an
East-West
route
and
a
north-south
route
between
the
Court
Avenue
district
and
the
event
center
and
envisioning
these
as
neighborhood
parks,
activity,
centers,
linear,
linkages,
interactive
attractions,
in
other
words,
making
them
something
that
they
aren't
now
and
making
them
into
something
that
that
that
becomes
an
attraction,
something
that
people
come
to
come
to
downtown
Des
Moines
to
experience
so
a
Skywalk
today,
a
portion
of
the
Skywalk
system,
not
all
of
that,
because
we
give
people
migraines
but
but
but
but
how
it
could
be,
how
parts
of
it
could
be
converted
in
the
future.
F
Number
three
is
the
Inner
Circle,
the
idea
of
looking
at
some
of
these
outer
streets
of
Fourth,
Avenue,
Center,
Street,
15th,
Street
and
Cherry
Street,
and
using
these
as
connections
to
residential
development,
to
mixed-use
development
using
parking
more
efficiently
and
creating
a
ring
of
neighborhoods
and
substantial
reinvestment
on
on
under
use
sites
in
the
area.
Center
Street
was
a
particularly
interesting
one.
Given
the
history
of
Center
Street,
it's
the
center
of
Des
Moines
black
community
and
the
loss
of
that
through
urban
renewal
during
the
1950s.
F
One
of
the
the
chief
things
to
look
at
here
is
the
intersection
of
9th
and
Teo.
Not
what
you
would
say
is
a
very
pedestrian
friendly
area
and
certainly
somewhat
divisive,
but
in
our
vision
could
become
a
place
in
itself
linking
new
development
of
the
principal
child
care
center
and
the
principal
campus,
the
Mainframe
and
and
creating
a
a
true
entrance
along
Keo
drive
into
the
into
the
city.
F
Number
four:
is
the
stadium
District
connecting
the
existing
principal
park
with
pro-iowa
stadium
with
that
that
great
coming
project
generally
using
Tuttle
Street
as
an
East-West
connection
to
make
that
to
make
that
link
and
envisioning
this
mixed-use
District
south
of
MLK
to
the
river
as
a
combination
neighborhood,
which
is
already
in
progress,
Innovation,
space
and
and
and
and
recreational
activities.
F
So,
in
the
long
term,
the
stadium
District,
which
which
looks
like
like
this
today
with
the
completion
of
existing
projects
and
with
some
Evolution
over
the
years,
begins
to
be
a
much
more
connected
project
linked
to
the
downtown
court
core
through
5th
Street
and
and
connecting
the
soccer
complex
with
with
principal
Park
connected
corridors.
Looking
now
at
the
streets
that
connect
the
downtown
core
to
surrounding
neighborhoods
and
imagining
these
as
strong
neighborhood
linkages
to
really
effectively
make
the
neighborhoods
part
of
downtown
and
part
of
its
residential
setting.
F
A
model
project
here
that
we
looked
at
was
the
ninth
Street
bridge
over
I-235,
again,
not
very
heavily
used
bridge
that
really
runs
into
a
neighborhood
becomes
a
neighborhood
residential
street
to
the
north
of
235,
but
could
become
a
multimodal
street
that
becomes
again
a
real
people
place
that
helps
to
link
these
North
Side
neighborhoods
and
into
the
downtown
core
and
makes
them
a
part
of
the
prosperity
of
downtown.
F
Most
of
these
buildings
are
vacant
or
used
for
storage
now,
but
the
inexpensive
space,
the
Strategic
location,
the
overall
feel
of
of
the
district,
could
begin
to
look
more
like
this,
using
this
inexpect
relatively
inexpensive
space
for
entrepreneurial
and
creative
activity,
so
so
they're
in
a
breathless.
Nutshell,
you
have
a
summary
of
the
downtown
plan.
F
Our
next
steps
are
this
one
that
is
pnz
review
questions.
Hopefully
approval
moving
on
to
the
city
council
for
for
their
incorporation
of
the
plan
into
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
then,
as
we
move
forward
a
series
of
conversations
with
City
staff,
the
private
sector,
other
agencies,
neighborhoods
on
how
this
plan
gets
specifically
implemented
over
the
years.
So
with
that
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
those
that
I
can't
answer
Tiffany's
here.
F
G
Hi
Chris,
you
talked
a
lot
with
inclusivity.
How
do
you
measure
it?
How
will
you
know
if
you've
done
a
good
job?
How
are
we
doing
now.
F
You
you
measure
it
by
results,
so
you
measure
it
by
the
ability
by
by
by
what
happens
as
different
things
are
put
on
the
ground,
as
projects
like
housing
are
developed
in
terms
of
their
ability
to
to
accommodate
different
types
of
families,
different
types
of
households
different
and
and
to
provide
the
kind
of
integrated
community
that
a
downtown
should
be
in
the
short
run.
F
One
of
the
actions
that
we
think
is
really
critical
in
terms
of
of
of
inclusivity
is
what
we
call
the
Reclamation
of
Center
Street,
so
Center
Street,
being
the
historic
Center
of
of
Des
Moines
black
community,
largely
largely
renewed
out
of
existence.
Right
Proclamation,
is
to
view
this
as
a
development
Corridor
as
an
interpretive
Corridor
and
make
it
hopefully
the
kind
of
District
that
that
it
was
in
terms
of
of
of
of
multi-racial
and
Multicultural
activity.
F
You
know
it's
hard
to
say
that
that
that
a
plan,
a
plan
like
this,
is
designed
to
provide
what
Lawrence
Halpern
would
call
the
score
of
activity.
It's
the
performance
that
really
counts
the
the
ability
of
of
spaces,
of
programs,
of
Institutions
to
move
beyond
the
people
who
usually
animate
those
programs
and
to
reach
out
to
others.
F
And
so
again
the
the
measure
of
inclusivity
is,
is
both
intention
as
the
plan
articulates
and
performance
in
terms
of
what
actually
happens
on
the
ground
and
and
and
and-
and
we
have
tried
throughout
this
planning
process,
to
provide
at
least
the
framework
that
promotes
inclusivity.
G
So
I
guess
like
are
you
saying
if
I'm
looking
at
the
Center
Street
Reclamation,
for
example,
as
exclu
inclusivity
is
going
to
be
measured
as
a
function
of
socioeconomic
diversity?
I
mean
what
are
the
measures
that
we're
actually
going
to
be
identifying
I
mean
what
are
we?
Where
are
we
at
now?
So,
if
you
say
hey
in
10
years,
you
go
back
and
say:
did
this
plan
do
what
we
needed
to
do?
F
Of
those
measurements
will
be
developed
through
the
implementation
process,
but
but
the
the
intention
in
the
plan
and
and
and
and
what
the
plan
articulates
is,
that
is
that,
for
example,
in
housing,
that
a
range
of
incomes
and
a
range
of
household
types
are
accommodated
throughout
both
the
downtown
core
district
and
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
F
So
so
the
again,
the
the
the
measure
of
of
inclusivity,
the
measure
of
being
able
to
to
satisfy
a
lot
of
different
markets
will
will
be
the
structure
of
the
projects,
the
the
nature
of
their
financing,
the
the
the
the
the
mission
that
they
satisfy.
How
are
we
doing
now,
I
think,
probably
not
being
a
A,
Des,
Moines
resident
and
not
being
directly
involved
in
some
institutions.
F
I
think
that
there
are
there.
There
are
efforts
from
a
residential
point
of
view,
which
I,
which
really
is
a
big
part
of
the
plan.
A
repopulation
of
downtown
I
think
that
downtown
Des
Moines
housing
market,
like
a
lot
of
other
downtown
housing
markets,
has
been
somewhat
unidimensional.
F
It's
been
directed
toward
middle
income
or
upper
income.
Small
households
and
empty
nesters
generally
includes
rental
housing.
It
has
really
not
been
all
that
directed
toward
families
of
different
sizes
and
and
income
ranges,
and
so
a
big
priority
of
the
plan
and
a
priority
that
we
knew.
We
know
that
other
people
have
talked
about
is
is
is
addressing,
that
is,
is
providing
a
downtown
where
people
of
different
incomes
can
raise
their
kids
can
set
up.
F
H
I
think
this
is
excuse
me
I,
think
this
is
a
great
plan.
One
of
the
questions
that
I
have
is
what
are
the
strategies
or
recommendations
for
all
of
the
the
land
that's
currently
being
used
for
parking.
F
I'm
glad
you
asked
that
I
I
did
not
plant
that
question
what
one
one
of
the
key
recommendations
of
the
plan
and
it
doesn't
appear
in
the
in
in
the
six
but
but
but
it's
a
necessary
first
step,
and
that
is
to
rationalize
parking
by
rationalizing
parking,
downtown,
Des,
Moines
and
every
other
downtown
has
the
most
Midwestern
towns
have
enormous
surpluses
of
parking.
That's
because
every
person
in
every
office,
occupant
and
so
forth
is
is
trying
to
provide
parking
at
at
least
a
one-to-one
level.
F
Certainly
in
our
in
our
our
current
Workforce
situation,
to
look
rationally
at
what's
really
needed
in
terms
of
parking
and
to
be
able
to
figure
out
ways
in
which
that
sort
of
proprietorship
of
private
parking
facilities
can
be
broken
down
a
bit
and
so
opportunities
for
shared
parking
to
to
get
full
utilization
of
the
structures
that
are
there
to
to
to
make
sure
that
they're
fully
and
effectively
utilize.
We
are
very
inefficient
on
parking.
We
build
way
more
than
we
we
need.
F
The
outcome
that
we
hope
will
happen
is
that
this
kind
of
a
process
will
provide
a
way
of
using
the
structures
which
are
huge
investments
in
a
more
rational
and
more
efficient
way,
which
then
enables
the
the
less
intensively
used.
Surface
parking
lots
around
the
periphery
to
be
redeveloped
for
what
we
really
want,
and
that
is
more
population,
more
kids,
more
people
in
in
and
around
downtown.
F
But
that
first
step
has
to
happen
to
be
able
to
to
look
at
real
parking
demands,
real
parking
availability
and
in
spirit
of
cooperation
and
mutual
benefit.
Look
at
how
the
use
of
those
Investments
can
be
made
more
efficient
and
rationalized
in
order
to
open
up
other
space
for
for
much
more
productive
and
important
uses
for
downtown.
G
G
You
believe
we
should
be
thinking
about,
or
should
be
coming
down
the
pike
that
would
ensure
success
of
this
ordinance
ordinance
changes
we
yeah,
which,
like
what
three
are
like
parking,
we
have
parking
minimums
are
requiring
those
might
need
to
be
changed
if
you're
saying
we
need
to
right
size,
it
we're
the
top
three
that
you
believe
are
most
important
for
ensuring
success
of
this
plan.
Yeah.
F
I
think
well,
first
of
all,
and
this
I
I
know
that
that
parking
is
not
required
in
the
downtown
core
for
individual
uses.
There's
there's
there's
actually
not
a
parking
requirement.
F
One
thing
to
look
at,
though,
are
are,
and-
and
we
haven't
really
thought
about
how
to
write
an
ordinance
but
ways
of
of,
if
not
establishing
parking,
maximums
at
least
mandating
that
that
that
new
projects
look
at
available
parking
and
and
and
negotiate
for
for
parking
within
existing
capacity.
Again,
that's
going
to
require
proof
that
there's
existing
capacity
to
do
that
with,
but
we're
we're
rather
convinced
and
I.
F
Think
most
people
are
by
visually
looking
at
parking
structures
that
that
that
that
that
that
that
that
that
does
exist,
number
two
I
think
deals
with
housing,
affordability-
and
you
know
again.
This
is
not
this.
F
This
is
not
an
issue
that
we
really
dealt
with
exactly
within
the
plan
other
than
saying
that
affordable
housing,
attainable
housing
is
significant
goal,
but
at
at
looking
at
at
incentives
and
and
in
some
cases,
requirements
for
the
use
of
existing
incentives
that
provide
a
certain
set-aside
or
certain
amount
of
housing,
that's
affordable
and
dedicated
to
specific
groups
that
we
would
like
to
to
integrate
into
in
into
downtown.
F
So
that's
two
ordinances,
that's
about
the
best
I
can
come
up
with
right
now,
but
but
we
start
talking
about
ordinances,
you
start
to
get
yourself
in
trouble
which
I
probably
already
have,
but
but
but
nevertheless
those
are
things
that
I
think
we
do
need
to
look
at
for
for
successful
implementation.
F
F
D
All
right,
I
think
we're
ready
to
go.
Welcome
to
the
December
15th
2022
meeting
of
the
city
of
plan
and
Zoning
Commission
I
will
first
read
the
rules
and
procedures.
The
plan
and
Zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plots
unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
for
details
on
Council
hearings.
D
Applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
to
the
public
proponents,
and
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
discuss
info
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
to
be
germained
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
D
Items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report.
Unless
an
individual
present
or
member
of
the
commission
requests
that
an
item
be
removed
from
consent
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda,
all
right
do
I.
Have
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
December
1st
2022
meeting.
D
Thank
you
and
before
I
do
consent.
I
would
like
to
announce
that
this
is
dory's
Dory
briles
last
meeting,
and
she
has
served
on
this
commission
for
at
least
10
years.
We
weren't
exactly
sure,
but
at
least
10
years
and
so
I
think
we
owe
her
a
round
of
applause,
because
it
is
not
a
light
duty.
D
And
we,
you
will
be
missed,
so
don't
be
a
stranger.
You
know
where
to
find
us.
I
will
start
with
the
consent.
Public
hearing
items
item
number
one
is
a
request
from
the
greater
Des
Moines
partnership
and
city
of
Des
Moines
for
review
and
recommendation
to
the
city
council
regarding
adoption
of
the
downtown
DSM
future
forward.
As
an
amendment
to
plan
DSM
creating
our
tomorrow
plan.
D
D
D
Do
I,
have
a
motion
to
move
consent?
Yes,
thank
you
Francis
all
in
favor,
please
raise
your
right
hand.
D
And
we
do
have
a
motion
for
continuance
item
number
five:
a
request
from
WC
MRP
Des
Moines,
Center
LLC
represented
by
Nat
and
Paul
for
review
and
approval
first
amendment
to
Southdale
PUD
conceptual
plan
on
the
property
at
4900
Southeast
14th,
to
allow
expansion
of
a
retail
used
to
include
outdoor
display
in
a
parking
lot.
The
applicant
has
requested
continuance
to
February
2nd
2023
meeting.
Do
I,
have
a
motion
or
to
motion
to
move
continuance
I,
don't.
D
J
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Nick
tarpy
planning
staff
just
to
give
some
quick
context
or
background
to
this.
So
if
Commissioners
are
kind
of
familiar
with
the
site
or
this
property,
this
project,
this
project
was
actually
in
front
of
you
back
in
2021
the
one
before
plan
and
Zoning
commission,
then
so
the
site
is
fully
built
out.
Constructed
it's
been
operating,
people
might
have
been
there
frequented
as
a
business.
This
element-
or
this
item
came
before
us
because
of
a
zoning
Enforcement
issue.
J
So
just
to
give
everybody
kind
of
a
background
of
how
this
happened
or
how
this
started.
There
was
a
zoning
inspector
that
was
in
the
field
and
before
any
business
is
allowed
to
start
operating
within
the
city.
They
have
to
go
through
a
series
of
building
and
site
inspections
to
make
sure
that
they're
complying
with
their
approved
building
site
plans.
J
Things
like
that
zoning
inspector
was
out
at
the
site
was
going
through
some
of
the
site
elements
that
were
displayed
on
the
previous
approved
site
plan
notice
that
there
was
some
rock
installed
at
the
site
where
the
original
site
plan
indicated
that
grass
or
mulch
would
be
installed.
There
was
some
dialogue
at
the
site,
the
inspector
reached
out
to
planning
staff.
We
talked
about
how
what
was
installed
was
not
compliant
with
the
site
plan.
So
as
planning
staff
we
work
with
the
applicant.
We
said
you
have
a
couple
options.
J
You
can
either
install
what
was
on
your
previously
approved
site
plan,
or
you
can
go
through
with
an
amendment
a
resubmittal
to
us
and
then
we
can.
You
can
work
with
us
through
the
design
alternative
process
and
that's
how
the
site
plan
got
here
tonight
at
pnz.
So
just
a
little
bit
of
a
background
of
how
that
worked.
J
Here
it's
in
a
relatively
industrial
area,
so
you
can
see
that
through
the
the
aerial
map
that
we're
showing
here
that'll
come
into
play
a
little
bit
later.
J
So
here's
just
a
general
overview
of
the
site,
a
large
view
here.
So
we
have
a
building
here
that
houses
a
variety
of
functions,
so
it's
Paws
and
Pints.
So
they
do.
Obviously
a
lot
of
dog
focused
clientele,
so
they
have
basically
a
dog
run
in
the
back
with
a
really
highly
programmed
area
for
dogs
to
play,
to
interact
to
socialize
things
like
that
and
then
also
there's
some
entertainment
spaces
inside
so
like
a
sit-down
area,
more
of
a
retail
area
and
then
also
dog
facilities.
J
So
like
kenneling
and
training,
and
things
like
that,
so
really
a
multi-purpose
facility
with
the
parking
lot
out
front,
there's
some
zoomed
in
views
of
the
landscape
plan
here
and
the
layout
plans.
Just
you
can
get
a
lay
of
the
land
again,
here's
the
northern
portion
of
the
site
with
the
building
the
accompanying
parking
lot
and
then,
in
the
back
here
we
have
our
programmed
dog
run
area
with
basically
a
bunch
of
different
activities
for
dogs
and
and
their
owners
and
their
people
to
play.
Hang
out
socialize
things
like
that
and
I'll.
J
J
So
this
is
the
back
bit
behind
the
fence
in
the
rear
portion
of
the
site
in
the
dog
run
area.
So
it's
a
key
distinction
that
again
will
come
up
later,
so
digging
in
the
staff
report
here.
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
time,
just
to
remind
the
commission
of
what
the
design
alternative
process
is
for.
I
think
this
is
really
kind
of
a
unique
and
nuanced
situation,
with
a
really
unique
user,
a
lot
of
unique
clients
that
come
to
the
site
and
I
think
as
staff.
J
We
really
understand
that
we
want
to
try
to
be
really
understanding
and
and
that's
why
a
lot
of
elements
are
eligible
for
the
design
alternative
process.
If,
if
there's
a
really
a
reason,
logistically
or
programmatically,
where
a
certain
element
of
city
code
doesn't
make
sense
the
applicant,
they
have
the
opportunity
to
make
their
case
to
explain
why
an
element
of
city
code
may
not
really
be
applicable
to
their
site
or
may
not
be
applicable
in
certain
quantities
at
their
site
and
I.
Think
that's
really
really
the
case
here.
J
So
really
the
the
reason
that
staff
is
opposed
to
the
installation
of
rock
here
instead
of
inorganic
material
like
a
grass
or
like
an
organic
mulch,
is
because
simply
in
consultations
with
forestry
staff,
Brock
is
not
a
desired
ground
cover
material
for
supporting
plant
and
tree
growth
long
term.
The
the
idea
behind
organic
material
like
hardwood,
mulch
or
seeding
grass,
is
that
it
is
supposed
to
mimic
and
I
understand.
This
is
more
of
an
industrial
context,
but
really
supposed
to
mimic
a
forest
condition.
J
So
an
organic
organic
material
is
really
going
to
do
a
lot
better
job
than
grass
of
obtaining
helping
trees,
obtain
and
then
retain
moisture,
it'll,
really
protect
them
against
extreme
temperature
swings
which
we're
experiencing
right
now.
It
also
really
holds
soil
nutrients
in
a
way.
That's
a
lot
better
than
Rock
and
then
also
it
actually
is
a
lot
more
effective
than
controlling
weeds
too.
So
from
an
aesthetic
perspective.
J
It
also
is
a
lot
more
effective,
so
really
for
those
reasons,
and
after
our
consultation
with
forestry
staff,
as
especially,
if
we're
going
to
be
having
trees
in
the
site
within
parking,
lots
and
industrial
areas
where
it's
really
not
super
hospitable
to
be
growing
a
lot
of
these
plant
materials,
we
really
want
to
try
to
do
our
best
to
try
to
create
as
hospitable
of
an
environment
as
possible
to
give
these
plants
and
these
trees
a
good
chance
of
survival.
J
Also,
we'll
just
want
to
note
too
plan
DSM
adapt
DSM,
which
is
the
city's
on
the
way
climate
action
plan.
While
it's
not
something
that's
directly
addressed,
we
don't
have
necessarily
A
city-wide
forestry
plan,
those
those
plans
and
those
City
initiatives
do
touch
on
and
and
do
talk
about,
at
least
at
some
length.
The
importance
of
a
growing
thriving
tree
canopy,
and
so
this
element
of
chapter
135
of
city
code
to
require
certain
ground
cover
materials.
That
really
furthers
that.
So
that's
I
really
want
to.
J
Try
to
provide
that
linkage
or
that
connection
as
well,
so
just
getting
into
the
the
recommendation
here
really
what,
as
staff,
what
we're
going
to
propose
to
the
applicant
is
that
as
staff
I
think
we
understand
within
the
fencing
areas
of
the
site,
where
we're
going
to
be
having
those
dogs
running
around
digging
playing.
It's
really
more
of
a
ruggedly
used
area
than
a
lot
of
other
uses
that
we
have
in
the
city.
J
We're
pretty
understanding
I
think
rock
is,
is
probably
an
appropriate
ground
cover
material
there
I,
don't
think
staff
has
any
really
any
qualms
and
also
that's
that's
a
large
grassy
area.
So
these
are
areas
where
tree
root
systems
plant
root
systems.
They
have
plenty
of
room
to
grow,
they're,
not
super
constricted
and
so
staff
as
staff.
We
really
don't
have
issues
with
using
Rock
and
the
quantities
that
were
shown
in
the
photos
there,
but
outside
of
that
fenced
area.
J
Next
to
the
building
within
the
parking
lot
areas
like
that
as
staff,
we
feel
it
is
appropriate
to
require
that
the
ground
cover
materials
used
are
either
organic
materials
like
a
hardwood,
mulch
or
grass
just
to
really
promote
that
long-term
tree
health.
So
that's
my
recommendation.
J
We
didn't
get
any
comments
or
anything
like
that
from
the
public.
Anybody
have
any
questions
about
that.
K
Nick,
can
you
show
on
the
site
plan
where
the
areas
are
that
would
that
you're
recommending
Rock
and
where
good.
J
So
really,
if
you
follow
my
cursor
here
roughly,
this
is
the
extent
of
the
the
fenced-in
area
kind
of
through
here
and
so
inside
of
that
area,
we're
as
staff
we're,
okay
with
the
applicants,
utilizing
rock
as
a
ground
cover
material
anywhere
outside
there.
So
these
areas
butting
up
against
the
building
here
and
then
out
within
the
parking
lot
and
along
the
parking
lot
perimeters
or
buffers.
Those
should
be
utilizing
organic
ground
cover
materials.
D
L
Yeah
go
ahead:
okay,
okay!
Thank
you.
Everyone
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
present
today.
My
name
is
Scott
Sherman
I'm,
with
Downing
construction
joined
with
Kyle,
Casey,
owner
and
operator
of
Paws
and
pints
I'm,
going
to
talk
for
about
five
minutes
and
then
Kyle's
gonna
hit
the
rest
of
it.
L
We
read
through
the
city
staff
comments,
obviously
largely
focused
on
tree
and
plant
health.
I
wanted
to
reiterate
why
the
change
was
made
from
mulch
to
rock
and
what
those
main
two
reasons
were.
One
reason
was
animal
safety,
Kyle
will
speak
to
and
the
other
reason
was
actually
tree
and
plant
Health
as
well
as
durability,
even
though
the
rock
was
used
just
so.
Everyone
knows
there
are
still
mulch
rings
around
the
trees.
L
Even
in
those
Rock
areas,
the
site
is
also
fully
irrigated,
so
there
is
an
irrigation
system
there
as
well
the
dogs,
the
dogs,
will
disturb
the
mulch,
which
is
what
the
main
concern
was
on
the
plant
Health
aspect
of
it,
and
that's
why
the
change
was
made
specifically
not
just
to
any
type
of
rock,
but
a
inch
and
a
half
Jagged
Rock
was
to
keep
them
out
of
those
areas
so
plant
Health,
keeping
the
dogs
out
of
those
areas,
as
well
as
just
maintaining
the
irrigation
system.
L
So
there's
no
digging
or
anything
like
that
in
the
planting
beds,
I
also
appreciated
the
staff
comments
about
allowing
The
Rock
and
the
Outdoor
Dog
area.
L
However,
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
the
quantity
of
dogs
that
come
through
the
entry
and
the
parking
area
will
exceed
the
amount
of
dogs
that
are
in
The
Outdoor,
Dog
Park
area
due
to
Simply
drop
off.
Not
everyone
that
comes
in
this
facility
will
be
going
to
that
outdoor
area,
but
they
will
be
getting
out
of
their
car.
You
know
if
you
guys
have
animals
if
you
have
a
dog
think
about
the
first
thing.
L
I,
also
understand
the
staff
and
Forestry
comments
about
them
about
the
mulch,
mimicking,
a
forest
environment
and
the
context
on
that.
The
reality
is
this
is
a
commercial
facility
for
dogs
that
is
going
to
see
depending
on
if
it's
a
weekday
or
a
weekend
anywhere
from
100
to
400
dogs
per
day,
and
the
impact
of
that
I
think
it's
important
to
note
the
impact
of
that
not
simply
just
inside
the
facility
but
surrounding
the
facility
as
well.
L
Another
note
we've
built
not
not
facilities
exactly
like
this,
but
with
a
similar
animal
component
to
it.
Wags
Doggy,
Daycare
and
Ankeny
it
utilized
Rock
for
the
same
reasons,
I
understand
not
the
same
municipality,
not
the
same
code
but
I'm,
just
saying
that
for
context
of
the
use
of
the
facility
and
how
they
chose
to
put
Rock
in
the
planting
beds
instead
of
mulch.
For
the
same
reason,
another
side
note
there
are
several
slopes
in
the
parking
area.
L
L
This
is
an
extremely
unique
facility,
with
a
very
unique
use,
which
is
you
know
again
why
the
variants
process
does
exist
for
something
that
goes
outside
of
the
normal
intent
of
why
a
code
is
in
place,
and
we
do
truly
believe,
which
is
why
this
change
was
made,
that
The
Rock
will
improve
and
maintain
plant
Health
versus
be
a
detriment
to
to
the
plant
health.
M
Thank
you
again.
My
name
is
Kyle
Casey,
my
wife
and
I
are
operating
officers
at
positive,
Pines
part
of
your
ownership.
Two.
So
again
we
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
to
chat
with
you
guys
and
at
least
hear
or
give
us
some
consideration
at
leaving
The
Rock
in
place.
We
certainly
did
not
do
this
for
Aesthetics
or
to
try
to
save
some
maintenance
dollars
from
year
to
year.
This
is
primarily
because
our
interests
are
aligned.
M
We
want
this
stuff
to
to
live
just
as
much
as
you
guys
do.
I
have
four
dogs.
I
live
on
less
than
a
half
an
acre
at
home
and
I
know
what
kind
of
damage
that
I
have
to
do
year
to
year
to
year
at
my
own
house.
So
just
to
kind
of
take
this
into
contest.
We
had
4
383
dogs
for
the
door
in
our
first
month,
so
it's
8
000
over
8
000,
closer
to
nine
thousand
opportunities.
M
A
dog
has
to
pee
scratch,
dig
or
any
of
those
things
that
dogs
do
right
when
they
walk
to
and
from
our
cars,
and
you
know,
bless
all
of
our
patrons
Hearts,
but
they
they
don't
necessarily
care,
like
Scott
said
when,
when
the
they
pull
into
the
lot.
The
first
thing
they
want
to
do
is
appease
their
dogs
and
that's
either.
M
Let
them
relieve
themselves
or
maybe
they
want
to
mark
their
territory,
but
both
involve
peeing,
which
is
the
most
harmful
thing
that
a
bush
or
shrubber
tree
could
possibly
take
on
for
an
extended
type
of
abuse.
So
so
our
goals
are
the
same.
We
put
the
Rock
in
place
to
to
try
to
make
sure
that
these
things
actually
have
a
chance
at
at
surviving.
M
So
that's
probably
the
most
important
piece,
but
the
second
thing
I
want
to
bring
up
is
the
safety,
Factor
and
I
I've
I've
got
a
bunch
of
articles.
I
spent
about
a
whopping
five
minutes
today
on
Google.
M
M
Yep,
so
everything
that
I
printed
off
there
are
reasons
to
to
avoid
mulch
around
dogs.
The
very
first
one
talks
about
just
the
the
shredded
hardwood
nature
that
we're
talking
about
right.
The
dog's
favorite
thing
to
chew
on
are
sticks
generally,
I
know
I,
going
back
to
my
house.
I
know
that's
what
dogs
dive
into
first
I
I
can
I
can
shower
them
with
toys,
but
they
just
want
to
go
out
and
find
the
nearest
shredded
wood
or
stick
to
chew
on
and
if
we
give
our
dogs
endless
amounts
of
those.
M
M
M
Second,
piece
of
this
is
the
things
that
can
grow
in
and
on
mulch
because
of
the
fact
that
it
can
retain
the
moisture
it
does
and
the
humidity
and
the
hot
and
cold
that
we
have
here
in
Iowa,
poisonous
mushrooms,
slime,
mold
different
funguses
can
grow
on
mulch,
which
can
also
create
hazardous
things
for
dogs
to
digest
any
of
those
things
can
send
a
dog
to
the
emergency
room
and
and
it's
very,
very
expensive,
and
then
last
but
not
least,
Mr
tarpy
mentioned
it
carbon-based
mulch
a
lot
of
times
in
order
to
get
mulch
to
be
colored.
M
You
know
red
black
white,
whatever
it
is
in
order
to
do
that,
as
is
through
dyes,
and
which
is
another
thing
that
I
don't
necessarily
want
my
dogs
having
the
opportunity
to
lick
or
or
even
put
in
their
mouth
for
that
matter.
So
just
some
things
to
consider.
Once
again,
this
was
really
meant
to
to
try
to
help
the
longevity
of
of
our
our
plantings
as
well
as
do
what's
best
for
our
concept
best
for
our
patrons
and
their
dogs.
M
So
and
then
last
thing
but
not
least,
I
know
Mr
tarpy
went
through
our
site
plan,
but
you
got
a
glimpse
of
our
backyard.
I
know
tree
canopy
and
all
the
initiatives
to
make
Des
Moines,
A
Greener
place
is
top
of
the
mind
and
as
a
dog
lover,
I'm
a
glorified
tree
hugger
myself,
but
I
can
tell
yeah
we've
gone
so
much
above
and
beyond
what
the
minimum
required
development
amount
of
plantings
would
have
been
for
our
project.
M
Now,
if
we
were
just
a
simple
Warehouse
or
strip
mall,
or
something
like
that,
I
can
guarantee
you
the
probably
the
minimums
would
have
been
planted,
but
with
our
Concepts
we
went
above
and
beyond
dozens
and
dozens
of
trees
more
than
than
what
would
have
been
required
by
PNC
in
the
first
place.
So
so
we're
definitely
doing
our
part
to
to
help
ensure
that
piece
of
it
we're
just
asking
again
for
some
consideration
on
what
would
be
the
the
wisest
approach
for
the
plants
that
will
see
the
most
abuse.
M
M
So
most
of
our
trees
and
I'll,
let
Scott
speak
to
this
specifically
I
know.
Most
is
not
a
actual
term
to
use
here,
but
I
would
say
all,
but
four
of
our
trees
are
actually
planted
in
grass
with
a
mulch
ring,
we're
really
discussing
four
trees
and
then
most
of
our
plantings,
like
our
shrubs
and
our
bushes,
are
in
rock
because
they're
the
most
vulnerable,
but
all
but
four
of
our
trees
are
actually
planted
in
grass
with
a
mulch
rate.
Yeah.
L
That
I
was
just
going
to
clarify
I
think
your
point
was
that
those
planting
bets
could
either
be
grass
or
mulch.
They
are
a
planting
bed,
and
so
the
intent
originally
was
mulch
versus
grass.
M
Well,
the
the
land
was
1.3
and
then
we
we
put
10
and
a
half
million
on
top
of
it.
So.
O
When
you
said
the
cost
of
the
gravel
was
for
68
000.
Is
that
correct
just.
M
The
added
trap
rock
that
so
we
we
originally
we're
gonna
do
mulch
like
Scott
said,
and
then
we
chose
to
upgrade
to
the
Rock,
which
is
a
just
shy
of
a
seventy
thousand
dollar
upgrade
with.
O
M
I'm
reading
this
is
staff
is
okay,
with
The
Rock
in
our
rear
yard,
our
our
play
yard,
which
that's
not
included
in
that
68
000.
Any
Rock
added
in
that
backyard
was
not
part
of
that
number.
The
68
000
is
all
the
landscaping
rock
around
the
by
using
Mouse
here,
so
any
any
Rock
outside
of
our
rear
yard.
In
this
area
right,
oh,
it's,
a
33,
000
square
foot
facility,
so
we've
got
a
on
a
seven
acre,
City
Block.
M
So
we've
got
a
fair
amount
of
of
Trap
Rock
install
yep,
yep
yep,
absolutely.
D
P
Is
the
rock
more
expensive
ground
cover
than
mulch.
M
I
was
not
aware:
that's
why
I
brought
Downing
along
our
contractors,
who
we
hired
candidly
probably
should
have
known
that,
so
that's
what
we
pay
them
for,
but
but
so
I
ownership
was
not
aware
within
Des
Moines
City
Limits
that
this
was
going
to
be
an
issue.
L
L
That's
that
68
000,
so
that's
to
remove
the
mulch
to
add
the
rock
that
was
that
increase,
so
anything
done
moving
forward
would
be
to
remove
that
rock
to
lose
the
value
of
the
Rock
and
to
add
the
cost
of
new
mulch
back
in.
L
You
go
back
yeah
right
there,
that
is
the
street
cred.
Oh
yeah,
beyond
the
fence
is
the
streets,
so
there's
rock
on
that
black
fence
on
the
interior
side,
so
closer
to
the
person
taking
the
picture
and
then
a
very
small
band
I'm,
not
sure
how
large,
maybe
a
foot
on
the
other
side
and
the
rest
of
it
is
grass,
then
sidewalk
and
then
grass.
P
I
am
convinced
by
the
owner's
argument
that
they
have
a
a
thoughtful
reason
for
upgrading
to
rock
in
this
project.
I
think
their
use
is
compelling
and
I
think
that
the
fact
that
they.
P
Sought
this
as
an
upgrade
to
their
facility
based
on
their
needs
is,
is
compelling
to
me.
I
think
also
that
the
reasoning
that
the
plant
materials
are
going
to
be
destroyed
by
animals
is
is
pretty
good
and
I.
Think
by
the
fact
that
this
image
illustrates
that
they
did
plant
vegetation
where
they
could
and
where
they
thought
it
would
survive.
I
think
is
is
a
is
also
supports
what
they
said
here.
G
I
guess
I'm
curious
with
the,
so
it
sounds
like
the
rock
isn't
actually
put
in
a
place,
that's
damaging
to
the
plants.
Was
there
something
from
the
city
that
says
the
way
they've
implemented,
the
rock
is
known
to
be
damaging
or
it
sounded
like
the
trees
planted.
We've
got
to
ring
a
mulch.
The
plants
are
protected.
Apart
from
those
shrubs
see.
This
is
one
that
I
can't
understand.
G
C
And
we'll
see
if
Nick
has
a
sense
of
what
the
breakup
is.
J
Yeah
I
mean
generally
like
if
there's
trees,
kind
of
or
Rock
outside
of
that
fenced
area.
It's
generally
looking
like
this,
where
you
have
there's
not
really
any
other
like
ground
cover
or
vegetation
per
se,
if
you're
inside
that
fenced
area,
that's
where
there's
usually
like
a
lot
more
grass
around
it.
The
root
systems
have
more
room
that
sort
of
thing.
K
K
There
any
let's
say
all
the
plants
die
in
The
Rock
areas.
J
Something
that
we
get
on
every
site
plan
is
that
there's
a
requirement
to
maintain
all
vegetation
for
the
life
of
the
certificate
of
occupancy.
So
as
long
as
they're
in
business,
they
have
to
maintain
all
the
plants.
Unless
and
then
you
know,
if
they
don't,
they
could
be
opening
themselves
up
to
a
zoning
enforcement
case.
K
I
mean
I
think
I
tend
to
agree
with
Andy
that
there
is
a
compelling
reason
that
was
presented
to
use
rock
at
this
business
and
then
knowing
that
they
are
obligated
to
keep
the
plants
healthy
and
alive.
I
think
I
tend
to
kind
of
agree
with
the
applicant
on
this
one.
I
I
mean
I'm,
not
an
expert
on
this,
but
I
can't
think
of
an
area
where
I've
seen
Rock
used
in
this
manner
where
the
plants
do
survive
and
thrive.
So,
while
that
is
some
consolation,
I
just
I
think
they're
going
to
have
a
hard
time
keeping
those
plants
alive.
N
They
mentioned
an
irrigation
system
is
like
for
some
reason.
This
is
the
image
that
bothers
me.
The
most
I
mean
is
that
irrigated
is
that
tree
gonna
get
watered
in
August
when
it's
you
know,
maybe.
M
Thanks
again,
yes,
every
aspect
of
our
entire
facility
is
irrigated
and
we
do
have
like
I
said.
We
do
have
four
trees
like
this
because
that
are
planted
in
Islands
or
peninsulas
in
the
parking
lot.
The
rest
are
so
you
will
find
approximately
four
that
reference
like
this
picture
in
our
lot,
but
the
rest
of
them
do
have
the
are
in
grass
with
the
mulch
ring.
But
everything,
including
these
fully
rocked
beds,
also
include
irrigation.
Yep.
P
If
you,
if
you
were
trying
to
keep
this
tree
alive
for
anybody
here,
that
knows
about
tree
tree
Health,
if
you're
trying
to
keep
this
tree
alive,
would
you
be
able
to
like
put
a
say,
a
six
foot
diameter
mulchering
around
it?
That
would
retain
some
moisture
better
in
the
summer,
I
mean
generally
the
the
trees
that
are
in
parking.
P
Lots
are
kind
of
sickly,
looking
usually
anyway,
so
I,
don't
know
if
we're
damning
this
one
just
by
having
it
in
a
rock
bed
relative
to
if
it
were
in
like
a
another
type
of
bed,
but
could
you
make
a
compromise
if
this
thing
had
mulch
at
the
base?
It
maybe
has
a
better
chance.
Is
that
a
is
that
a
thing
for
trees.
O
I
don't
know,
I
have
a
backyard
with
40
bags
of
mulch
and
my
dog
never
bothers
The
Mulch,
but
he
does
chew
on
tree
branches
but
I'm
in
agreement
with
Andrew.
So
if
Andrew,
why
don't
you
make
a
motion?
Laughs.
P
Okay,
I
will
make
a
motion
to
approve
both
yeah.
G
Does
it
does
that
mean
there'd,
be
no
modification
so
like
in
this
instance,
where
you
have
this
tree,
there'd
be
no
mulchering
required
to
be
added,
so
it's
in
line
with
the
others.
We
just
say
this.
One
here
is
fine:
all
of
them
are
fine.
The
Rocks
they're.
All
good,
no
changes
is
that
what
the
proposal
is.
That's
my.
R
C
R
Miss
I'm
abstaining.
R
C
D
Okay,
this.
S
All
right
good
evening,
my
name
is
Sarah
Hutchinson
I'm,
the
planning
staff,
who
will
be
presenting
item
number
three
tonight.
This
is
for
the
site
plan,
Iowa
plan
signing
at
2325
Delaware
Avenue,
and
there
are
three
items
that
we'll
be
discussing
tonight.
These
are
all
items
that
were
denied
administratively
as
type
ones,
so
they
are
before
you
tonight,
where
you
might
not
normally
see
these
types
of
requests.
S
The
first
one
is
the
waiver
of
a
requirement
to
provide
a
paved
Drive
aisle
within
an
outdoor
storage
area.
The
second
is
to
allow
chain
link
fence
for
the
screening
of
the
outdoor
storage
area,
where
normally
medium
buffer
requirements
indicate
a
wood,
vinyl
or
combination,
wood
or
metal
type
of
fence,
and
then
the
last
item
is
waiver
of
the
requirement
to
provide
Street
trees
on
all
of
the
frontages.
S
S
Did
want
to
mention
that
we
are
allowing
a
phasing
of
this
site,
so
this
shows
phases.
It
would
be
introduction
of
the
landscaping
and
buffer
fence
as
part
of
phase
one,
as
well
as
the
paved
parking
lot
and
then
phase
two
would
include
the
undergrounding,
I
believe
and
then
phase
three
would
be
sidewalks.
S
S
The
argument
against
this
is
because
there's
the
potential
for
equipment
to
be
moved
around
and
shifting
needs
that
having
one
drive
route
would
potentially
be
detrimental
to
that
use.
Staff
is
willing
to
work
on
a
solution,
potentially
A
reduced
length,
Drive
aisle.
However,
at
this
time
we
were
not
willing
to
waive
the
entirety
of
the
dry
bile
for
the
outdoor
storage
area
with
the
medium
buffer
fence.
S
The
Proposal
at
this
time
from
the
applicant,
is
for
a
chain
link
fence
with
a
mesh
that
would
be
80
opaque,
so
the
standard
requirement
is
100
opacity
with
either
wood,
vinyl
or
combination
of
metal
and
wood
and
I'll
show
I
have
a
couple
pictures
of
examples
of
what
we've
had
done
previously
that
meets
that
requirement,
especially
because
this
site
is
on
all
frontages.
We
do
believe
that
it
should
be
100
opaque,
and
this
could
be
done
with
a
metal
paneling
as
well
or
would
privacy
fences.
S
We
do
have
some
Alternatives
that
we
propose
there,
but
we
do
recommend
denial
and
then,
lastly,
is
the
street
trees,
so
normally
Street
trees
are
required
at
one
for
every
30
linear
feet
of
Street
Frontage,
and
that
would
be
on
all
four
sides
of
this
site.
Right
now
there
has
been
some
indication
from
the
applicant
that
they're
concerned
about
the
amount
of
room
between
the
sidewalk
that
they're
putting
in
and
the
curb
allowing
for
Street
trees,
as
well
as
the
provision
of
the
medium
buffer
trees
being
there
already,
meaning
that
shade
intent.
S
S
S
It's
the
consent
map
and
then
lastly,
I
did
just
want
to
share.
We
did
get
this
letter
from
the
neighborhood
association
I'll.
Let
you
read
this,
but
essentially
the
main
point
is
that
the
neighborhood
is
hoping
to
have
the
commission
move
staff
recommendation
for
these
items.
S
So
this
picture
just
shows
that
they're
they
they
wanted.
You
all
to
be
aware
that
there
are
currently
signs
there
being
stored
outside
and
they
were
saying
they
really
do
want
that
opaque,
fencing
to
block
out
views
that
they
would
have,
and
that
was
it
for
this
one.
Do
you
have
any
other
questions
for
me.
G
S
So
typically,
the
requirement
would
be
that
it
would
have
to
go
through
the
entirety
of
the
outdoor
storage,
just
because
they
do
have
a
drive
access
at
both
sides.
So
people
are
pulling
in
from
both
sides.
Potentially
we
had
initially
recommended,
maybe
as
as
kind
of
a
compromise,
at
least
having
space
for
a
vehicle
to
completely
pull
into
the
site
on
pavement,
because
right
now
it
does
stop
the
drive.
Access
pavement
stops
at
the
fence,
so
they're
just
going
on
to
the
surface
that
is
not
paved
when
they're
dropping
anything
off.
S
So
this
is
the
employee
parking,
there's
a
fence
here
and
then
here's
the
other
Drive
approach
and
the
fence
is
right
there.
So
this
whole
area
right
now
is
gravel
and
will
be
replaced
with
a
dustless
surface,
but
that's
also
part
of
the
phasing
so.
D
Q
Jeff
kadalka
I
will
play
in
signing
our
office
is
1110
West,
6th
Avenue
up
in
Slater.
Thank
you
for
having
me
thanks
for
letting
us
come
and
visit
our
architect.
Jared
will
speak
right
after
me,
so
we've
been
in
business
35
years,
we've
worked
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines,
the
last
20..
We
really
needed
a
bigger
footprint
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines,
with
all
the
work
you
have
going
on,
which
we
greatly
appreciate.
Q
So
I've
never
seen
that
letter
from
the
neighborhood
association,
which
is
fine,
but
for
the
last
I
think
20
years
they've
had
a
trucking
dispatch
right
across
the
street
from
them
with
no
fence
and
that
that's
not
that
whatever
it
is,
what
it
is
right,
but
it
was
a
trucking
dispatch.
So
and
that's
fine.
Q
When
we
got
into
this,
we
just
thought
we
were
going
to
come
in
and
use
it
as
a
same
as
the
same
use,
storage.
Whatever
we
obviously
found
out.
That
was
not
the
case
and
they
changed
zoning
or
they
changed
the
use.
At
that
time
we
were
told
we
could
fight
it
if
we
didn't
agree
with
it,
and
we
said
all
right,
let's
just
we'll
agree
with
it,
we'll
make
a
site
plan,
look
I,
think
I'm,
one
of
the
most
reasonable
guys
out
there.
Q
We
even
said:
let's
just
make
this
good:
let's
be
reasonable,
City
Des
Moines,
let's
we,
we
need
the
facility
we're
working
all
up
and
down
the
interstate.
We
need
this
spot,
let's
just
be
reasonable.
Okay!
Well,
here
we
sit
and
as
the
things
gone
on
and
on,
hence
the
reason
we're
here
tonight.
We
finally
come
to
the
point:
where
I
we
don't
think
this
is
reasonable
for
some
of
these
we're
just
asking
for
a
few
variances
which
we
think
are
very
for
lack
better
term,
just
common
sense
and
I'll.
Q
Let
Jared
speak
to
the
variances.
Please.
T
Jared
Murray
civil
design,
Advantage
4121,
Northwest,
Urbandale,
Drive,
Urbandale,
I,
suppose
we'll
just
go
down
the
list
and
discuss
after
the
fact
so
the
first
one
about
the
paved
Drive,
aisle
I.
Guess
our
our
kind
of
point
of
view
and
our
understanding
of
the
code
requirement-
is
to
pave
the
access
aisle.
T
That's
through
the
right-of-way,
then
pave
the
parking
stalls
and
the
access
file
in
front
of
those
stalls.
Everything
beyond
that
fence,
we
really
see
as
a
storage
area,
and
it
doesn't
in
our
eyes,
makes
sense
to
have
kind
of
a
random
route
through
that
area.
That
kind
of
defines
it
doesn't
really
Define
an
access
route.
Someone
could
pull
through.
They
could
pull
off
to
the
north
to
go
pick
up
a
barricade.
They
can
come
back.
T
It's
there's
a
hundred
different
routes
through
the
the
two
access
points
right,
so
it's
just
in
our
eyes
doesn't
make
sense
to
define
or
have
to
pay
one
route
through
the
site
to
connect
the
two
entrances
I
believe
we
have
paved
to
get
cars
off
the
street.
There's
plenty
of
stacking,
obviously,
through
those
parking
stalls
to
get
everyone
off
the
street
on
a
paved
aisle
and
then
on
that
East
Side
through
code
requirements.
T
We're
also
required
to
provide
enough
stacking
to
not
block
anything
off
that
public
street,
so
they're
able
to
pull
in
sit
on
that
drive
aisle
open
that
gate
without
impeding
any
traffic
through
and
that's
kind
of
the
limits
of
what
we
thought
was
kind
of
appropriate
for
a
paved
access
and
then
the
rest
of
it
is
kind
of
our
like
I,
said
our
storage
area.
So
that's
kind
of
our
view
on
that
request.
T
B
T
But
other
communities
and
these
industrial
type
Lots
it's
just
a
chain
link
fence
that
has
kind
of
that
mesh
netting
around
it.
It's
specified
to
provide
that
80
opacity,
so
we
really
feel
that
it's
meeting
that
requirement-
and
it's
kind
of
we
feel
that
it's
a
more
clean
look
than
maintaining
it
with
fence
that
kind
of
deteriorates
and
the
weather
in
the
elements
pretty
quickly.
So
that's
kind
of
a
request.
T
There
is
to
provide
an
alternative
to
our
fencing
and
meet
that
80,
but
I
thought
was
an
80
opacity
requirement
based
on
code,
so,
third
one
being
the
street
trees.
This
is
another
one
that
I
wanted
to
kind
of
put
up,
but
to
pass
around.
T
Trees
in
Green
in
the
exhibit
are
meeting.
That's
what
we're
showing
here.
It's
what's
meeting
the
median
buffer
requirement.
T
The
red
ones
would
indicate
the
street
trees
that
were
trying
to
request
the
variants
to
not
install
it
seems
kind
of
redundant.
In
our
view,
it
kind
of
overcrowds
that
it's
a
really
a
15-foot
strip
between
the
back
of
curb
and
the
fence,
and
it
includes
that
five
foot
sidewalk
so
there's
five
foot
gaps
with
the
street
trees
and
another
five
foot
Gap
to
put
those
the
buffer
trees.
T
It
just
seems
kind
of
an
odd
space,
I'm
going
to
go
every
40
feet
and
then
every
30
feet
right
in
front
of
it
on
the
street,
so
between
maintenance
on
the
sidewalk
that
we're
required
to
install
in
that
the
street
are
the
streets
around
it.
We
kind
of
feel
that
it's
a
little
bit
redundant
and
a
maintenance
issue,
like
those
are
kind
of
the
extent
of
our
our
requests.
I
guess.
G
C
P
I
had
a
I
think
in
Sarah's
initial
presentation
she
mentioned
that
evergreen
or
maybe
you
wrote
it
evergreen
shrubs
would
be
considered
for
the
as
part
of
the
you
know,
fence
requirement,
or
that
is
is,
do
you
guys
have
a
opinion
on
that
as
a
as
a
potential
area
of
compromise,
that's.
T
Really
the
first
I'm
hearing
of
it
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
opinion
on
it
or
if
anything
I
think
maybe
compromises
would
be.
These
are
spaced
every
40
feet.
Maybe
we
space
them
every
30
30
feet
to
meet
the
street
tube
quite
a
minute,
but
that's
the
route
but
just
feels
like
having
a
medium
buffer
at
40.
Then
10
feet
later
five
feet
later.
Having
a
street
tree
requirement
every
30
feet,
but
I
haven't
heard
anything
about
the
I.
T
C
I
think
in
the
staff
report,
what
we
were
getting
at
is
that
perhaps
there's
a
mixture
that
the
commission
or
staff
would
be
willing
to
also
look
at
landscape
Solutions,
whether
it's
a
solid
fence
or
a
mixture
of
things.
If
that
was
something
else,
maybe
it's
you
know
double
just
a
solid,
solid
row
of
Evergreens
would
also
obscure
as
much
as
a
privacy
fences
so.
T
G
G
T
G
T
T
G
T
G
Q
G
Q
I
should
read
my
comments
about
being
common
sense
and
reasonable
was
referring
to
the
the
other
two
making
us
pave
a
a
driveway
through
a
lot
that
already
has
paved
drives
is,
in
our
opinion,
you're
just
making
us
spend
money
and
making
us
pave
a
road
that
doesn't
doesn't
even
have
a
really
have
a
use
and
then
the
second
one
was
the
trees
which
we
didn't
even
fight
on
making
we
agreed
to
put
sidewalks
in
that
actually
sidewalks
go
to
Nowhere.
There
is
no
sidewalk
that
they
can
get.
Q
There's
no
sidewalks
people
that'll
be
using
those
sidewalks
on
this
property,
but
we
have
agreed
to
put
sidewalks
in,
but
then
with
the
amount
of
trees
that
you're
that
you're
wanting
to
require
in
a
sense,
then
you're
just
going
to
be
that's
more
maintenance
and
more
on
the
sidewalks.
The
sidewalks
aren't
going
to
be
used.
There's
there's
nowhere
to
go
with
these
sidewalks,
we'll
put
them
in
and
that's
fine,
but
then
your
trees.
Q
G
One
last
question:
I'm:
sorry,
it
sounded
like
in
what
she
was
discussing
was
that
as
long
as
you
have
a
pad
so
that
the
trucks
can
at
least
get
you
know,
I'm
assuming
the
logic
is
that
as
I'm
going
in
or
out,
if
I'm,
going
straight
from
gravel
straight
onto
the
road
I'm,
going
moving
more
gravel
onto
the
road
I'm
going
to
be
bringing
more
into
the
Main
Street,
and
maybe
that's
not
the
logic,
but
it
seems
like
you're.
West
lot
would
achieve
what
it
sounds
like
staff
is
asking
for.
G
Q
Q
Q
G
D
All
right,
thank
you.
Is
there
anyone
you
can
sit.
Sorry,
thank
you.
So
much
is
there
anyone
in
the
public
who
is
just
to
speak
in
favor
of
this
item,
anyone
opposed
or
neutral
a
post.
Please
state
your
name
address.
You
have
five
minutes
and
sign
in
when
you're
finished
sure.
U
I'm
Sally
and
it's
1807,
Southwest,
2nd
I
live
across
from
an
industrial
site
and
so
I
get
it
it's
hard
to
be
a
neighbor
with
industry,
industry
I
just
I'm,
also
in
part
of
the
plan,
DSM
neighborhood
community.
They
don't
allow
chain-link
fences
they'll
help
you
with
a
lot
of
things,
but
they
do
not
allow
chain,
link,
fences,
I,
don't
know
why,
but
they
don't
allow
it
and
I
think
that
having
the
sidewalks
and
everything
is
great,
but
I
am
absolutely
against
chain
link.
U
Fences
I
think
that
if
it
has
to
go
to
the
residence,
then
why
do
somebody
who
doesn't
even
live
here?
Why
why
do
businesses
not
have
to
stick
with
the
same
standards
that
invest
DSM,
expects
so
I
just
think
that
I
don't
know
I
need
to
be
a
little
bit
happy.
We
need
to
be
happier
with
your
neighborhood
and
I.
Just
I'm.
Just
against
the
chain,
like
fence,
is
all
I'm
here
to
say:
if
I
can't
do
it,
they
shouldn't.
D
D
I
the
applicant
does
have
time
for
rebuttal.
If
you
need
it,
I,
don't
I'm,
not
sure
that
you
do
any
other
questions
from
commissioners.
K
C
C
I
think
when
you
read
that
the
section
there's
a
description
of
how
tall
it
needs
to
be
what
the
material
defense
is
underneath
the
the
fall
of
the
fence
and
wall
regulations,
there's
also
the
landscape
section.
So
it's
you
have
to
read
the
whole.
S
S
It
also
has
to
have
a
continuous
fence
or
wall
that
does
list
80
percent.
Our
note
was
just
that
we
would
prefer
something
that
had
more
opacity
than
a
mesh
chain
link.
But
80
is
the
code
requirement.
You
can
see
the
material
there
is
wood,
vinyl
or
a
combination
of
wood
or
metal.
Also,
a
wall
of
burger
Stone
would
be
allowed
as
well
and
then
the
landscape
hedge
is
a
potential
design
alternative.
S
K
K
K
S
No
you're
good
I
I
heard
the
question
so
you're
saying
in
terms
of
the
street
tree
requirement.
The
concern
is
that
this
is
close
to
the
street
trees,
which
I
will
say
we
do
have
other
requirements
like
Frontage
buffers
and
other
things,
where
it's
not
uncommon
to
have
a
level
of
buffer
trees
and
then
a
sidewalk
and
then
Street,
trees,
I
I.
C
S
I
will
also
note.
Typically,
outdoor
storage
is
required
to
be
25
feet
from
the
setback
in
the
front
yard.
That
was
a
compromise
staff
was
willing
to
make
in
this
situation
due
to
some
of
the
location
of
existing
gravel.
We
were
willing
to
let
them
have
only
a
five
foot
setback
to
meet
the
medium
buffer
requirement.
S
So
traditionally
this
would
have
to
be
set
back
much
further,
but
because
each
side
is
essentially
a
front
yard,
we
were
willing
to
let
them
have
that
closer
fence
and
trees,
but
the
City
Arborist
was
the
one
who
specifically
requested
those
sight
trees
and
said
that
there
would
be
enough
room
for
them.
So
we
were
going
off
of
their
recommendation
as
well.
D
Q
Thank
you,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
the
fact
that
when
we
before
we
bought
this
property
or
after
we
bought
it,
we
did
drive
around
that
whole
area.
There's
a
new
concrete
plant
about
four
blocks:
I
had
four
or
five
blocks
just
to
the
west,
and
all
we
want
to
do
is
that's
exactly
what
they
have.
Is
the
black
chain
link
fence
and
that's
all
we
that's
all
we
wanted
to
do
and
if
so,
our
position
is
if
it's
four
blocks
down
the
street.
What's.
Q
G
C
Have
no
knowledge
of
that
I
mean
it's
couldn't
tell
you
if
it's
installed
with
the
permit
not
installed
permit
I,
don't
know
what
properties
speaking
to
they
also
might
have
a
pre.
You
know
site
plan
that
predates
the
existing
code
that
showed
that
fence,
and
so
maybe
they
were,
you
know
perhaps
a
certain
level
of
Grandfather
rights.
Just
without
doing
some
research,
which
we
can't
really
do
at
the
table,
I
can't
speak
to
it.
G
Does
this
so
does
this
proposal
by
staff?
Does
it
codify
the
pads?
If
we
said
one
of
our
conditions
at
least
was
instead
of
a
road
all
the
way,
through,
we
least
just
have
a
pad,
like
the
applicant
said,
was
reasonable.
Is
that
already
captured
in
here,
or
would
that
be
something
we
need
to
modify
the
recommendation
to
hit.
C
G
O
G
And
I'm
also
sorry
I'll
finish
off
the
thoughts
here.
Apologies
I
would
I
guess.
I
would
be
thinking
that
emotion
would
make
sense
to
actually
do
that.
So
we
are
allowing
the
waiver
pending
a
pad.
I
personally,
do
not
have
you
know.
I'm
I
do
not
see
any
reason
not
to
put
chain
link
fence
up
there.
If
we
do
have
chain
link
fence
four
blocks
away,
it
sounds
like
we
should
be
calling
zoning
enforcement
on
that
and
sort
that
out
that
way.
G
But
I
don't
know
if
two
wrongs
is
right
here,
agreeing
with
the
member
of
the
neighborhood
and
I
I.
Don't
have
enough
knowledge
on
C
to
have
an
opinion.
So
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
does.
G
P
For
me
on
C
I
think
it
was
really
it
resonated
with
me
when
Sarah
said
that
the
city
relieved
the
requirement
that
that
the
storage
lot
be
set
back
25
feet,
thereby
allowing
it
to
be
that
close
to
the
sidewalk
which
pushed
those
buffer
trees
closer.
So
it
makes
it
seem
less
ridiculous
that
they
have
to
have
those
trees
in
such
close
proximity,
and
so
I
I
agree
with
your
thoughts
on
a
and
b
and
then
I
would
also
agree
with
the
city's
recommendation.
Of
Denial
on
C.
P
So
I
will
make
that
motion
to
Grant
the
request
of
the
applicant
on
a
with
a
parking
pad
on
the
east
side,
to
deny
B
and
to
deny
C.
R
G
D
Item
number
four
is
a
request
from
Hanson
development
represented
by
Troy
Hansen
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan.
You
need
that
River's
Edge
for
property
at
1600,
Indianola,
Ave,
formerly
214,
Jackson
Ave
for
following
type
2
design,
Alternatives
a
through
G.
S
All
right,
hello,
again
still
Sarah
Hutchinson
presenting
item
number
four,
this
one
I'm
gonna
zoom.
S
Bit
this
is
for
the
Union
at
River's
Edge
site
plan
located
at
1600
Indianola
Avenue,
formerly
known
as
214
Jackson
Avenue.
S
There
are
a
few
design
alternatives
for
this,
so
I
will
try
to
explain
those
as
I
go
a
little
more
in
depth,
but
just
for
a
brief
overview.
The
first
item
is
to
allow
surface
parking
which
is
not
allowed
in
downtown
zoning
districts.
The
second
item
is
to
allow
a
reduction
in
primary
Frontage
coverage
on
both
the
street
side
on
Southwest
third
and
also
on
the
river
Frontage.
For
the
case
of
this
project,
the
river
and
the
street
are
both
considered
primary
frontages.
S
In
addition
for
building
a
which
most
of
these
are
pertinent,
too
reducing
or
increasing
the
setback
so
that
they
are
outside
of
the
0
to
15
foot
primary
Frontage
build
two
Zone,
that's
required,
so
that
would
be
on
both
the
Riverside
and
the
street
side.
In
addition,
d
and
e
go
together.
There's
a
standard
requirement
to
have
a
minimum
of
30
feet.
S
Depth
of
occupied
space
on
the
ground
floor
and
parking
is
allowed
behind
that
with
this
project,
they
are
requesting
parking
within
almost
the
entirety
of
the
ground
floor
and
therefore
would
not
be
meeting
that
occupied
space.
So
these
are
requesting
weaving
the
requirement
of
occupied
space
and
then
waving
the
requirement
to
only
allow
parking
behind
occupied
space
and
then
item
f
is
about
transparency.
S
This
is
the
site,
as
you
can
see.
On
the
west
side,
we
have
the
River
on
the
East.
We
have
Southwest,
third,
which
also
is
Indianola
along
that
west
side,
and
then
the
other
side
also
includes
Southwest
Second
for
the
purpose
of
this
I'll
just
be
saying:
Southwest.
Third,
when
I'm
returning
to
the
street.
S
Here's
the
site
as
it
exists
right
now,
there's
not
a
lot
here.
You
can
see
there's
a
Drive
Entrance,
but
it
is
a
vacant
lot
at
this
moment
and
then
a
little
bit
hard
to
see
here,
but
this
is
the
site
plan,
so
the
bigger
building
is
right
here.
This
is
building
a
and
the
smaller
building
is
Building
B.
So
that's
how
they'll
be
referred
to.
S
And
then,
if
this
loads,
this
is
the
landscape
plan,
this
shows
that
there
is
more
screening
there.
We
go
in
these
front
areas
along
the
river
and
along
the
public
way,
so
I
will
come
back
to
that.
S
All
right
so
going
through
these
a
little
bit
more
as
I
said,
surface
parking
is
not
allowed
in
a
downtown
zoning
District,
so
this
building
is
downtown
General
in
dxr.
Typically,
service
parking
is
not
allowed.
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
service
parking
lot
with
87
spaces
that
would
combine
with
the
indoor
parking
spaces
they're
112
inside
building
a
and
that
puts
them
at
roughly
at
0.92
ratio
for
number
of
parking
spaces
to
units
I
will
let
you
know
a
standard.
S
Residential
property
requires
a
one-to-one
ratio,
so
they
are
close
to
that
in
attempts
to
meet
the
needs
of
both
this
site
itself,
but
also
because
there
are
nearby
multi-family
residential
developments.
There
are
also
very
close
to
downtown
principal
Park
other
things
that
might
require
that
parking,
and
so
this
is
in
attempts
to
make
sure
that
the
residents
have
adequate
parking
at
this
site
and
are
not
looking
elsewhere.
S
So
right
now
as
well,
that
service
parking
is
behind
building
a
and
on
the
inside
of
the
driveway,
so
it
is
attempted
to
be
screened
more
from
the
street.
It's
not
visible
really
from
the
river
and
that
just
allows
the
building
to
be
closer
to
the
street,
really
accessing
that
space
as
well.
So
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
this
item.
S
Foreign.
The
second
item
is
the
primary
Frontage
coverage,
so
this
is
typically
required
to
be
80
percent
of
the
primary
Frontage.
It
must
be
covered
by
building.
That's
all
it's
saying
one
of
the
challenges
with
this
site
is
that
to
be
counted
as
primary
Frontage
coverage.
The
building
has
to
be
within
that
build
two
zone
of
0
to
15
feet
and
building
a
is
not
within
the
build
2
Zone.
S
There
are
a
lot
of
existing
easements,
including
the
levy
easement
that
is
along
most
of
that
River
Frontage,
so
they
can't
be
within
those
easements
there's
also
existing
underground
utility
lines
that
they're
not
allowed
to
be
next
to
the
shape
of
the
site
itself,
in
terms
of
where
they
can
cite
the
building
the
existing
Drive
access.
S
They
were
asked
to
maintain
that,
so
they
need
to
respect
that
as
well,
and
then
also
there
are
requirements
in
the
code
that
they
have
to
be
at
least
100
feet
away
from
the
river
in
their
sighting
of
the
building.
So
all
of
that
together
make
it
very
difficult
for
them
to
move
any
closer
to
the
build
two
zones
on
either
of
those
sides
on
the
street
or
the
river.
S
S
The
next
two
like
I,
said,
go
hand
in
hand,
so
occupied
space
is
typically
required
in
this
building
type
at
least
30
feet
from
the
actual
elevation
that
facade
in
this
building.
They
don't
meet
that
requirement
because
parking
doesn't
fall
under
our
requirement
for
occupied
space.
They
do
have
one
corner.
That
is
the
most
public-facing
corner
of
the
building.
That
does
have
a
Lobby
and
some
offices
leasing
offices
there.
S
So
there
is
that
engagement
happening,
but
there's
no
other
occupied
space
and,
like
we
said
one
of
the
reasons
that
there
is
that
interior
parking
is
to
try
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
site
and
because
surfing
surface
parking
is
discouraged,
so
they
are
requesting
to
be
able
to
have
parking
up
to
the
very
front
of
their
facade
on
that
street
facing
side
and
the
river
Frontage.
So
with
that
in
mind,
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
waiving
the
requirement
to
have
that
occupied
space
item
e
hand
in
hand.
S
S
Transparency
is
typically
required
at
18
for
every
facade
story
that
is
public
facing
public
way,
so
the
driveway
or
the
street
facades
additionally,
that
primary
facade
on
the
river
is
going
to
count
in
that
requirement
as
well
right
now,
as
it's
proposed,
there's
only
3.11
transparency
facing
the
street
nine
percent
facing
that
driveway
and
zero
percent
facing
the
river
Frontage
for
that
round
floor,
and
the
reason
for
that
again
is
because
it
is
parking
along
that
whole
area.
S
So
in
in
order
to
try
to
meet
that
intent
of
the
requirement
they
provided
an
architectural
screening
that
is
open.
It's
not
opaque
at
various
intervals,
so
I'll
pull
up
the
elevations
after
this,
but
essentially
to
allow
there
to
be
openings
and
visual
interest
in
those
facades,
even
though
they
aren't
providing
glazing
which
would
meet
the
transparency
requirements,
so
they
do
have
over
20
percent
open.
It
just
doesn't
fall
under
our
definition
of
transparency.
S
In
addition,
that
corner
that
I
said,
has
the
lobby
and
the
leasing
offices.
They
do
have
condensed
glazing
there
in
that
portion,
and
so
that
section
is
really
where
they
tried
to
focus
that
engagement
to
make
sure
that
there
is
that
transparency
for
the
the
most
public-facing
portion.
S
The
last
item
is
the
principal
entrances
so
per
the
code
for
every
100
feet.
They
would
need
a
principal
entrance
right
now.
They
only
have
one
on
that
street
facing
side
and
one
on
the
river
Frontage,
but
keep
in
mind
with
the
levy
that
is
on
that
River
Frontage
there's
really
no
additional
access.
That's
able
to
be
given
to
the
public
from
that
side
and
as
well.
S
There
are
the
common
amenities
that
have
been
placed
in
that
Northern
side
to
try
to
engage
a
little
bit
more
they've
kind
of
shifted,
a
lot
of
that
over
to
that
corner.
That
I
said
has
the
offices
and
more
of
that
engagement
there,
and,
in
addition,
by
adding
more
entrances
along
that
ground
floor,
they
would
be
taking
away
that
parking
that
they
are
trying
to
provide.
So
with
that
in
mind,
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
these
items.
S
S
H
I
have
one
I
have
two
questions?
Excuse
me
one.
Were
there
any
proposals
for
a
connection
to
the
trail?
That's
not
going
around
the
entire
perimeter
of
the
site
and
to
looking
at
the
elevations,
and
this
could
just
be
a
something
that
was
left
out.
Building
B
appears
to
have
rooftop
mechanical
screenings,
but
building
a
doesn't
I
know
it's
a
requirement,
so
I
was
just
wondering
if
it
was
left
out
of
the
renderings
or
there
was
something
else
proposed
for
that.
S
Shirt
so
in
terms
of
the
trail
connection,
that
was
an
extensive
discussion,
happened
between
parks
and
planning
staff
and
the
applicant,
essentially
because
of
the
levy
as
much
as
they
would
like
to
provide
more
connections.
It's
just
not
feasible
for
the
site,
so,
unfortunately
that
that
top
connection
was
all
that
was
able
to
be
added.
But
there
were
a
lot
of
discussions
and
it
was
just
determined
by
City
staff
that
it
wasn't
feasible
to
be
able
to
do
that
in
terms
of
screening.
S
A
A
I'm
also
with
us
this
evening,
I
have
we
have
a
project
architect,
ask
studio,
Brett,
Davis,
I'm,
sorry,
Brett,
shipper
and
Cole
Davis,
and
also
our
civil
engineer,
Aaron
olindite,
with
a
civil
design,
Advantage
CDA
I
have
a
couple
of
comments,
I'd
like
to
share,
and
then
I'll
turn
things
over
to
our
architect
Cole,
who
will
go
over
the
design
background
and
and
the
rationale
for
the
design
Alternatives
we're
requesting.
A
You
know
we
back.
We
began
this
this
project
design
in
Earnest
about
five
months
ago,
and
we've
had
many
many
meetings
and
lots
of
Correspondence
with
staff,
various
departments,
City
Council
Members,
the
neighborhood
association
and
also
Urban
Design
review
board.
A
There
are
a
couple
of
items
that
have
come
up
more
than
once
in
these
scenarios,
so
I
thought
I
might
just
address
those
up
front
with
the
hope
of
maybe
minimizing
questions
later
number
one
Environmental.
We
had
a
phase
one
Esa
investigation
on
the
site.
Some
of
the
samples
had
had
identified
some
level
of
soil
contamination,
and
so
that
that
then
the
recommendation
there
was
to
complete
a
phase
two
evaluation.
A
Again.
Additional
sampling
found
some
level
of
contamination.
As
a
property
owner
will
want
to
obtain
a
no
further
action
letter
from
the
DNR,
so
we're
proceeding
down
that
path
right
now
the
process
involves
more
extensive
sampling
and
then
the
results
of
that
will
sort
of
identify.
Then
a
plan
for
removal
and
protection
to
be
established.
A
A
Pahs
are
typically
from
petroleum
project
product
products
and
are
there
either
due
to
releases
of
petroleum
over
the
years
from
historical
industrial
operations
or
from
the
film
material
that
was
placed
on
the
site
and
that's
present
across
the
property
that
may
have
been
contaminated
before
being
placed
on
the
site.
A
Generally
speaking,
the
level
levels
found
are
not
significantly
High
compared
to
Statewide
standards,
and
it's
not
unusual
to
find
these
in
older
industrial
areas
like
this
per
our
consultant,
we
will
most
likely
need
to
make
sure
there's
not
an
exposure
concern
and
that
any
soil
removed
from
the
property
is
properly
disposed.
A
The
additional
investigations
our
consult
will
complete
through
the
state
will
help
show
the
nature
and
extent
of
the
contamination
and
our
team
will
work
with
the
state
to
get
their
concurrence,
that
what
we
do
is
what's
needed
to
ensure
there's
no
exposure
concern
moving
forward
next
item
that
had
been
brought
up
more
than
once
the
neighborhood
has
concerns,
or
some
of
the
residents
there
have
concerns
regarding
traffic,
pedestrian
safety
and
parking.
A
The
city
we
as
a
developer
for
the
project,
we're
not
required
to
do
a
traffic
study.
The
city
has
taken
on
a
traffic
study
and
my
understanding
is
you
know
that
is
still
in
a
fairly
preliminary
form
of
recommendations.
Any
questions
related
to
that
I
guess
would
be
best
put
to
the
city
staff.
At
this
point.
V
Yeah,
thank
you
Margaret
and
thanks
Sarah
for
the
introduction.
So
what
I
wanted
Margaret?
As
she
mentioned,
my
name
is
Cole
Davis
I'm
with
ask
Studio
on
Ingersoll
Avenue,
so
we're
local.
One
of
the
things
do
you
know,
is
the
presentation.
V
There's
a
presentation.
Was
that
able
to
be
accessed.
C
V
C
V
I'll
start,
and
if
they
take
too
long,
then
we'll
just
see
how
we
manage
so
I
just
wanted
to
preface
with
I
appreciate,
Sarah's
presentation
and
knowing
that
this
is
a.
This
has
been
a
very
challenging
site
and
a
lot
of
the
Alternatives
that
we
that
we've
looked
at
and
that
we've
requested
have
really
stem
from
from
two
areas.
V
One
has
been
the
very
very
unusual
shape
of
the
site
and
the
constraints
of
the
site,
and
two
has
been
for
the
desire
to
to
accommodate
parking
for
residents
so
to
understand
the
the
the
context
of
this
site.
As
as
Sarah
had
mentioned,
we
are.
We
are
south
of
the
the
Confluence
of
the
river
just
across
from
the
baseball
park,
so
we
are
in
a
dxr
Zone
District,
that's
zoned
for
residential
use,
but
we
are
separated
by
the
River
from
from
the
prime
primary
downtown
region.
V
So
are
you
working
on
that
yeah.
E
V
Oh
no
worries
so
yeah.
This
is
the
site
and-
and
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
focus
on
is
is
the
immediate
context
and-
and
the
immediate
context
is
that
we
have
Madison
Flats
to
the
South.
We
have
Jackson
Crossing,
which
is
a
four-story
multi-family
residential
building
with
surface
parking
to
the
east.
V
I
think
that
went
in
before
the
the
zoning
change
so
but
but
it
does
exist
and
then
directly
to
the
south
of
our
property
is
Reece
Associates,
which
is
the
manufacturing
and
then
to
the
North,
and
the
East
is
Baker
Electric.
So
so
we
have
multi-family
developments
and
and
Manufacturing
uses
around
us
and
which
is,
which
is
why
we
feel
even
given
that
this
is
The
dxr
Zone
site
that
contextually.
We
feel
like
we're
responding
well
with
the
challenges
of
the
site.
V
Now
the
challenges
of
the
site
are
that
we
have
the
the
levy
easement,
that
Sarah
noted
to
the
West.
The
the
blue
region.
Here
is
the
vacated
right
away
that
was
Jackson
Avenue,
and
then
we
have
the
Second
Street
public
right
away,
which
currently
has
utility
easements
under
it
and
as
designated
by
the
by
the
city,
was
to
be
maintained
for
through
access
between
Third,
Street
and
and
the
properties
to
the
South.
V
So
our
response
really
was
to
to
maximize
our
footprint
and
build,
as
far
out
to
the
frontages
as
was
reasonably
possible
on
the
on
the
larger
areas
of
the
site
and
then
to
infill
that
with
parking
and
to
as
best
as
possible,
conceal
the
parking
behind
the
building
portions.
V
Given
that
we
have
the
small
Building
B,
which
actually
does
used
and
is
developed
to
the
frontages
along
Third
Avenue
and
then
building
a
which
goes
as
far
north
to
the
vacated
Jackson
Avenue
as
possible,
and
even
though
we
are
separated
by
that
26
odd
feet
from
our
setback
at
this
corner.
V
V
And
and
kind
of
concurrently
with
this,
the
line
of
thought
is:
how
can
we
appropriate
our
occupied
spaces
in
a
way
that
that
it
would
be
as
much
as
possible
in
line
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
code,
keeping
occupied
space
at
the
lowest
level
of
Building
B
towards
Indianola
and
at
the
at
the
ground
floor
and
Second
Story
on
on
this
northeast
corner.
V
And
then,
just
in
terms
of
how
we,
how
we
go
from
the
general
site
plan
configuration
to
the
building,
the
things
that
we
are
considering,
we
are
a
little
bit
taller
than
the
buildings
around
us.
I
think
Jackson
Avenue
is
is
a
four-story
family,
multi-family
development.
This
is
a
six-story
building
overall,
including
that
ground
that
ground
floor
parking
structure.
V
So
so
we
have
tried
to
do
as
best
as
possible
to
break
down
the
massing.
The
three-story
building
relating
to
Madison
Flats,
in
that
it
expresses
itself,
is
kind
of
a
a
row,
home
style,
housing
development
and
then
the
the
larger
building
being
broken
up
into
two
separate
wings,
with
the
The
West
Wing
being
a
lighter
Mass
above
a
darker
Podium
and
the
East
Wing
being
a
darker
Mass
above
a
lighter
Podium
and
and
what
we're
doing
is
we're
trying
to
tie
together.
V
Sarah
mentioned
this
architectural
screening,
so
what
we're
doing
is
we're
trying
to
tie
together
those
lowest
two
levels
with
the
glazing
and
the
metal
screening,
to
give
the
appearance
of
transparency
and
depth
and
interest
that
is
desired.
Knowing
that
we
have
secured
parking
on
that
lowest
level
and
then
at
the
northeast
corner
is
where
we
appropriate
our
most
amount
of
glazing
and
and
our
higher
quality
materials,
to
really
activate
that
entry
point
and
make
it
present
available
to
the
the
ex
the
surrounding
properties.
V
So
I,
actually
I
just
wanted
to
close,
so
just
to
close
I
want
to
say
so.
So
this
is
an
affordable
project
and
when
we're
looking
at
this,
we
have
gone
above
and
beyond
the
affordable
housing.
What
would
be
typical
and
affordable
housing
project
with
with
stuff
like
secured
parking,
balconies
and
just
the
overall
exterior
development
on
this
site?
V
Then
then,
what
you
would
typically
see,
and
we
feel
that
it
it's
a
really
good
mediation
between
creating
creating
housing
in
a
in
a
market
that
is
needed,
as
well
as
being
a
good
neighbor
and
and
trying
to
create
a
healthy
balance
between
that
and
the
and
the
adjacent
properties,
and
then
to
answer
one
question
about
screening
that
that
came
up
the
the
three-story
building.
We
put
screening
around
the
mechanical
equipment,
knowing
that
it
would
be
visible
from
surrounding
properties.
V
The
building,
a
knowing
that
it
is
six
stories
and
I
think
Jackson
Crossing
is
the
tallest
building
that
is
within
the
immediate
vicinity
would
be
a
little
bit
lower
than
than
building
a
we.
We
know
that
it
wouldn't
be
visible
from
the
surrounding
properties
and
and
we
thought
that
it
was
a
reasonable
conclusion
to
to
leave
it
out
on
the
on
the
six
story
structure.
C
C
We
could,
if
you're,
asking
for
that
to
be
waived
as
a
design
alternative.
It
is
a
type
2
design
alternative
that
the
staff
cannot
wave.
You
are
before
the
commission,
which
has
the
authority
to
do
that.
We
weren't
aware
in
advance
that
you
were
requesting
that
okay
I
would
say
that
we
would,
as
staff
we'd,
recommend
denial
like
we
have
with
other
new
development,
but
anyway
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
R
V
After
studying
the
city's
drawings,
we
believe
that
the
the
the
Levee
wall,
that
is,
that
is
going
to
exist
at
that
completion,
would
be
approximately
four
foot
above
what
would
be
the
finished
floor?
Elevation
of
the
surface
parking.
R
And
there
wasn't
yeah
okay
on
the
this
elevation
is
perfect
to
ask
this
question
so
you're
you're,
asking
for
some
relief
on
transparency
and
you're
part
of
the
study.
You
can
see
it
on
the
right
side
of
the
image
you're
using
a
mixture
of
screening
and
openness
to
the
garage
plus
the
openings
above
to
kind
of
get
some
of
that
Rhythm
into
that
facade.
R
V
Right
and
so
the
the
Approach
at
that
Northern
portion
of
site,
because
we
had
Landscaping
that
was
that
was
going
to
be
engaged
here
with
with
some
of
those
exterior
amenities
and
some
of
the
functions
that
were
going
out
there,
as
well
as
knowing
that
the
the
most
prominent
View
is
is,
is
going
to
be
viewed
from
a
long
Meredith,
Trail
walking
or
the
most
prominent
view
being
actually
coming
from
Coming
southbound
along
Third
Avenue,
so
designating
our
glass.
Here.
It
felt
appropriate
to
help
Shield
the
the
pig
wall
there.
V
That
is
directly
to
the
parking
with
with
the
use
of
landscape
and
and
taller
trees
there,
rather
than
needing
to
go
to
that
extent
of
of
patterning
on
the
podium
so
and
that
actually
had
come
up
within
the
the
city
staff
review
and
the
UDR,
and-
and
that
was
something
that
we
felt.
We
had
had
reached
an
appropriate
stance
on.
In
terms
of
of
that
level
of
development.
R
Okay,
one
more
question
for
you:
so
one
of
the
items
that
you're
asking
for
Relief
on
today
is
about
the
occupiable
space
and
essentially
bring
parking
to
the
perimeter
of
the
building
yeah,
that's
really
the
intent
that
code
is
driving
at
an
active
public
realm
that
has
engagement
at
at
really
all
frontages,
but
I
understand
it's
a
very
high
triangular
site.
R
V
Within
the
specific
easements
that
we
have
it's
already
very
constrained
in
terms
of
of
of
fit
and
getting
the
appropriate
utilities
and
sidewalks
and
buffer
zones
that,
in
order
to
keep
a
24-foot
Drive
aisle
within
the
interior
of
the
structured
parking
and
then
a
double
loaded
parking
aisle
on
each
side,
that
that
would
significantly
change
the
structure
at
that
lowest
level
and
I.
V
Don't
I'm,
not
sure
how
it
would
work,
the
the
what
we
were
trying
to
do
with
that
was
designate
that
line
in
terms
of
where
we
went
to
parking
being
seen
as
setback
from
Building
B
when
you're
looking
at
the
the
exterior
property
line,
so
Building
B
being
the
occupied
space
along
that
Frontage.
R
G
Quick
questions:
what's
the
average
unit
cost
that
Visa
is
going
to
be
going
for
what
percentage
is
when
you
say,
affordable
like
affordable,
and
how
are
you
defining
affordable.
A
So
this
project
actually
has
received
four
percent
lie:
Tech
credits,
it's
a
60,
Ami
project,
I,
think
the
the
incomes
in
2022
for
one
person
household
was
like
41
370
and
then
53
190
for
a
family
of
three.
So
those
are
that's
the
income
range,
but
it's
a
60
Ami
project.
A
Don't
have
final
rents
figured
out,
but
those
are
actually
determined
by
Hud.
There's
a
maximum
lie,
Tech
rent.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
that
the
rents
will
be
a
significant
discount
to
market
rate
rents.
G
I
I
just
have
a
quick
question:
I
was
looking
at
your
bike.
Racks
there's
a
few
outside
and
I
saw
some
on
the
interior,
both
on
the
garage
level
and
also
on
the
apartment
levels
for
bike
storage,
I'm,
just
wondering
if
you've
calculated
the
number
of
bikes
that
can
be
that
have
spots
at
this
building
as
I'm
assuming
and
I'm,
hoping
that
this
is
a
building
where
a
lot
of
people
would
utilize
bikes.
Since
it's
right
on
the
bike
trail
and
right
across
from
downtown.
V
We
I
know
we
were
providing
exterior
bicycle
racks
for
to
meet
the
ratios
required
by
Zoning
for
more
public
and
visitor
use
and
then
interior.
We
haven't
done
any
formal
calculations
yet,
but
we're
we're
allocating
space
in
the
secured
parking
below
at
the
lowest
level
and
then
we're
actually
allowing
some
rooms
on
the
interior
of
the
building
to
allocate
some
parking
bicycle
parking.
That
is
I.
Don't
have
an
official
number
on
that.
We
were
going
to
develop
that
as
we
went
forward
in
terms
of
what
we
thought
was
necessary.
Okay,.
I
D
U
Hi
I'm,
Sally
and
I'm
back
I
would
live
across
the
street
from
this
I
live
at
1807,
Southwest,
2nd
Street.
This
is
actually
on
Indianola,
Avenue
Southwest
third
ends
at
the
river.
U
Some
part
of
the
McKinley
School
Columbus
Park
neighborhood.
Unfortunately,
I
missed
the
previous
presentation
with
this
future
forward
plan,
but
in
just
flipping
through
the
notes
they
have.
You
know
this
Park
and
Recs
thing:
preserve,
restore
and
enhance
access
to
Des,
Moines
and
raccoon
Rivers
improve
access
to
the
trail
system,
embrace
the
distinct
character
of
the
neighborhoods
I'm.
Just
gonna
I
wrote
something
today
and
I'm
going
to
read
it
I'd
love
to
answer
any
questions.
After
because
I
do
live
there.
U
I,
like
analogies
so
I,
am
comparing
this
site
to
green
beans,
so
I
just
am
I'll
just
go
with
it.
So
let's
say
you
visit
a
friend
who
keeps
serving
you
green
beans.
You
hate
green
beans,
but
your
friend
keeps
shoving
them
at
you.
You
have
three
choices:
you
can
eat
them
and
vomit
later
or
you
can
bring
another
veggie
to
the
table
or
you
can
tell
your
friend
to
respect
you
and
stop
chugging
green
beans
in
your
face.
Are
they
really
friends
if
they
keep
trying
to
change
you?
U
Handsome
development
isn't
a
friend
they
removed
a
building
living
in
2021,
leaving
hazardous
levels
of
what
we
just
found
out
today.
They
don't
take
care
of
the
vacant
lot
and
they've
created
a
Haven
for
the
canners
campers
vagrants
dumping.
The
areas
filled
with
trash
that
I
and
other
residents
pick
up.
I
live
on
Southwest
Second.
It
does
not
connect
to
Indianola
Avenue,
it's
not
Southwest.
Third,
it's
Indianola
Avenue,
it's
a
Southwest
Second
is
a
dead
end.
U
It's
a
it
was
an
easement
and
it
was
closed
at
request
and
a
whole
bunch
of
filings
with
the
city
to
have
Southwest.
Second,
because
Hanson
owed
property.
This
side,
which
is
a
and
b
they
owned
property
on
each
side
of
Southwest
Second.
So
they
said
sure
give
us
10
years,
but
then
we'll
block
it,
so
they
blocked
it.
It
has
been
a
dead
end.
It
is
not
a
thoroughfare.
U
It's
been
closed
for
years
during
the
Levee
construction,
the
barricades
were
temporarily
removed,
hopefully
they'll
be
reinstalled
to
close
the
easement,
because
there's
no
signage
or
anything
and
then,
like
I,
said
the
previous
building
on
214
Jackson
was
demolished
in
2021
January
and
February
I
contacted
FEMA
and
DNR
in
September
of
this
year.
U
Regarding
the
brown
field,
that
I
learned
about
at
a
September,
20th,
Urban,
Design
and
review
board
meeting
and
that's
as
hazardous
waste,
nothing
the
DNR
had
never
been
notified,
did
not
know
anything
about
this
and
now
I'm
glad
things
are
happening,
but
why
I
contacted
is
because
of
June.
They
started
putting
in
the
levy.
So
all
this
dust
is
kicked
up
and
this
hazardous
stuff
is
all
over
the
place
and
I
was
like
gosh.
What's
a
Brownfield?
Should
we
care
anyway?
U
So
they
put
some
grass
seed
down,
but
people
are
still
driving
all
over
that
area.
There
are
three
inlets
to
the
neighborhood.
We
have
Indianola
Avenue
or
from
Indianola
we
have
Dunham
in
Edison
and
Indianola
road,
which
is
kung
fu
Taco,
that's
Southwest.
First
I.
This
is
like
I
said.
This
is
part
of
the
invest,
DSM
renovation
area.
The
houses
were
built
in
the
1800s
to
1900s.
Mine
was
built
in
1892.
We
have
a
daycare
a
school,
a
church,
Iron,
Works
and
wreaths
were
grandfathered
in
to
be
light.
U
Industrial
and
they're
right
on
the
river.
This
area
is
pretty
archaic.
We
have
a
lot
of
flooding
and
potting
ponding
in
the
alley
and
yards
the
hill
on
Dunham
is
usually
iced
in
Winter.
It
was
iced.
Today
the
roads
are
less
than
25
feet
wide.
There
aren't
any
curbs
or
sidewalks.
We
have
limited
sewer
systems,
houses
are
on
septic
tanks,
you
don't
have
any
shoulders
or
grassy
areas
to
walk
on
on
the
side
of
the
roads
or
ditches
or
culverts
or
the
water
reservoirs
that
they
make
to
contain
some
of
the
water.
U
So
we
have
to
the
residents.
Are
you
know
we
get?
We
have
flooding
in
our
basements
all
the
time
we
actually
when
we
see
snow
dumping
coming
off
the
side
of
the
road
they
cover
the
drains
we
have
to
call
and
they
have
to
haul,
have
the
city
out
to
to
open
up
the
drains.
We
have
a
sinkhole.
That's
been
on
Southwest,
second,
that
the
city
covered
up
almost
two
years
ago.
U
They
put
a
fence
around
it,
haven't
touched
it
if
there's
a
general
traffic
study
or
a
study
done
now,
it's
not
going
to
be
accurate.
Jackson
bridge
is
closed.
The
outside
traffic
has
been
very
light
and
until
the
ball
field
reopens
and
until
summer
comes,
you
have
one
minute.
Okay,
so
I'm
just
saying
these
projects
are
too
big
for
the
area
and
it's
not
fair.
That
I
can't
see,
can
I
have
another
minute
now:
yeah!
Well,
yeah!
U
Sorry,
it's
too
big
for
the
area,
it's
impossible
to
get
to
cross
Indianola
Avenue
and
that's
what
all
the
kids
will
have
to
do.
I
assume
kids
are
going
to
be
there
they're
not
going
to
be
within
busing
distance
from
McKinley
Elementary
School
they're
going
to
have
to
walk,
there's
no
way
to
walk
there.
So
I
just
think
this
is
really
not
the
way
we
want
to
go
what
if
we
took
a
different
approach
and
took
this
land
and
put
it
toward
this
investig
DSM
future
forward
and
really
make
a
great
piece
for
the
city.
U
U
I
just
think
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
turn
it
into
something.
Wonderful
and
whoever
lives
there.
I
want
them
to
be
happy.
That's
the
biggest
thing.
I
want
to
be
happy
and
they're
not
going
to
be
happy
now
being
shoved
into
this
itty
bitty
spot,
there's
no
way
to
get
anywhere
and
oh
I
was
gonna,
say
parking
too.
We
get
overloaded
with
parking
every
time,
there's
a
ball
game
and
every
time
the
church
has
an
event.
We
have
no
street
parking
left.
It's
getting
used.
D
Up,
thank
you
that
does
bring
up
a
question
for
the
staff.
Was
there
a
any
neighborhood
comment?
No
There
is
five
minutes
for
rebuttal
from
the
applicant.
If
you
have
anything
further.
G
My
initial
inclination
would
be
want
to
move
staff
I
mean
it
seems
like
we
have
a
difficult
site.
We
are
wanting
densification.
The
strategy
of
the
city,
especially
these
areas,
is
to
provide
more
walkable
connected
connected
higher
density
spaces.
I
understand
that
the
crossing
Indianola
is
probably
going
to
be
hard
if
you're
very
young,
but
there
is
also
the
ability
to
walk
around
to
the
north.
I
would
think
if
walking
is
our
big
issue
across
that
road
under
the
road
I
think
those
are
well
taken
points
the
traffic
piece.
G
So
if
this
is
done
right
where
it
is
connected,
it
seems
like
the
under
parking
of
it
in
our
traditional
sense.
Also
is
very
much
in
line
with
our
530
presentation,
so
I
think
this
looks
like
it
is
hitting
where
we're
wanting
to
go.
The
project
seems
like
it's
being
reasonable,
but
again
I'm
I'll
save
architectural
thoughts,
otherwise,
but
the
bigger
piece
of
this
seems
like
this
is
something
we
want
to
approve
and
I
would
want
to
move
staff.