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From YouTube: 3-3-22 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, March 3, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
B
A
I
will
now
read
the
rules
and
procedures.
The
plan
and
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plats.
Unless
denials
or
conditioned
approvals
are
thereof,
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
for
details
on
council
hearings.
A
Applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
to
the
public
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
p
to
be
germaine
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
A
C
A
I
will
now
read
the
consent.
Public
hearing
items
number
one
request
from
polk
county
conservation
board,
represented
by
rich
leopold
for
the
vacation
of
the
following
segments
of
public
street
in
the
vicinity
of
east
39th
and
four
mile
drive
in
the
vicinity
of
east
aurora,
ave
and
colfax
ave
for
the
purposes
of
a
project
to
remove
the
roadways
and
restore
the
area
for
incorporation
into
the
lower
four
mile.
Creek
greenway
adjoining
land
is
owned
by
polk
county
and
that's
a
through
g.
A
A
men
plan
dsm
to
revise
future
land
use,
designation
from
low
medium
density,
residential
to
public
semi,
public
use
to
rezone
part
of
the
property
from
nx2
neighborhood
mix
to
p2,
public,
civic
and
institutional
district,
to
bring
the
use
to
conformance
and
allow
a
larger
sign.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
would
like
to
hear
this
item?
A
A
Allow
a
primary
frontage
entryway
that
is
not
recessed
between
three
and
eight
feet
from
the
portion
of
the
primary
facade
closest
to
the
street
and
that
exceeds
a
maximum
eight
feet
wide.
If
outside
the
building
zone,
allow
a
primary
frontage
transparency
of
twenty
percent
between
two
and
eight
feet,
which
is
approximately
forty
percent
less
than
the
sixty
percent
required.
A
A
A
D
A
The
application
has
agreed
or
the
applicant
has
agreed
with
all
requirements,
so
on
number
12
requests
for
the
following
property
properties
generally
located
to
the
north
of
vandalia
road
between
southeast
30th
street,
to
the
west,
the
city,
city's
corporate
limits
to
the
east
determination.
As
to
whether
the
requested
zoning
is
in
conformance
with
the
planned
dsm
and
men
planned
dsm
to
revise
future
land
use,
designation
from
business
park
to
industrial
rezoned
properties
from
ex
mixed
use
to
12
i1
industrial
district.
A
And
then
the
second
item
that
could
possibly
move
to
consent
is
number
15,
which
is
a
request
from
holt
sales
and
services
llc
represented
by
josh
holt
for
the
following
property
located
at
2500
dean.
Ave
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
rezoning
is
in
conformance
with
plan
dsm,
amend
the
plan
dsm
to
re
rise,
revise
the
future
land
use
designation
from
low
in
density
residential
to
community
mixed
use.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
wants
to
hear
this
item
tonight?
A
A
E
C
A
C
G
A
Two
items
that
were
moved
to
continue
the
first
one
is
number
13..
It's
a
request
from
hame
villafana
for
the
following
property
at
3732
easton
boulevard,
determination
as
to
whether
the
request
of
rezoning
is,
in
conformance
with
planned,
dsm.
A
men
planned
dsm
to
provide
future
land
use
from
parks
and
open
to
communities.
Mixed
use,
rezoned
property
from
f
flood
district
to
mx1
mixed
use,
district
to
mx3
mixed
mixed-use
district.
A
D
H
H
A
Seeing
none
so
I
need
one
motion
to
continue
item
13
indefinitely
and
jason
told
me
we
can
do
the
same
motion
to
continue
item
16
to
march
17th.
Does
anyone
move
for
that?
E
C
C
A
I
I
The
development
would
have
a
driveway
connecting
southeast
seventh
and
southeast
eighth
street
on
the
on
the
rear
of
the
units
that
would
have
access
to
garages
and
the
development
includes
extension
of
water
main
along
bale
street
to
serve
the
units.
Other
utilities,
sanitary
and
and
storm
sewer
are
available
within
the
public
streets
that
the
site
would
have.
Access
to.
The
development
does
include
a
robust
landscape
plan
as
well,
and
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
preliminary
plot.
A
J
My
name
is
michael
donlon.
I
reside
at
538
polk
boulevard
again,
like
the
city
staff,
said
it's
a
12
unit,
townhouse
development,
just
south
of
east
village.
We're
excited
to
get
this
project
up
and
going
as
soon
as
it
gets
approved.
Here.
We
think
that
it's
going
to
be
a
great
addition
to
to
the
neighborhood
and
a
great
improvement
both
with
the
site
and
with
the
residents
and
the
buildings
as
well.
A
F
F
F
F
We
like
nature
we
like
living
on
a
third
of
an
acre.
We
like
being
separate
from
our
neighbors
again.
I
think
recent
building
code
changes
have
suggested
that
new
builds
should
be
appropriate
for
the
neighborhood
they're
being
built
in,
and
I
don't
see
this
being
a
12
plex
as
appropriate
for
a
neighborhood
of
small
single-family
homes.
F
We
also
question
the
need
for
12,
which
I'm
assuming
are
going
to
be
expensive
houses
in
a
neighborhood
at
very
modest
houses.
So
I
think
that
while
we
support
regeneration,
we
also
support
affordable
housing,
and
I
don't
think
this
project
meets
that
need
nobody's
addressed
our
concerns
about
driveways
backing
up.
Next
to
our
lot,
we
have
purchased
half
of
the
vacated
alley,
so
I
know
that
their
dimensions
are
smaller
than
they
were
originally
so
I'm
concerned
about
how
they're
going
to
get
a
house
and
a
driveway
comfortably
backing
up
on
this
size.
F
A
Applicant,
you
are
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
You
could
address
some
of
her
questions
if
you'd
like.
J
We
do
understand
that
this
is
more
density
than
what's
currently
on
the
parcels.
I
think
currently
there's
one
garage
on
all
three
houses
that
allows
for
two
cars
to
park.
There
we've
tried
our
best
to
mitigate
the
additional
parking
demand.
Each
unit
has
a
two-car
garage
on
the
rear
of
the
building
that
would
allow
for
24
cars
to
park
within
sight
of
the
garages
without
adding
to
any
street
parking
or
parking
in
the
back
of
of
the
buildings
as
well
again
we've.
J
J
C
D
J
It's
privately
invested,
we
would
be
getting
tax
abatement
assuming
it
applies
for
tax
abatement
at
the
end
of
the
project,
but
we
are
not
getting
any
any
subsidies
on
this
on
this
project.
M
G
If,
if
I
could
chair,
I
just
want
to
remind
the
commission
that
you
know
this
has
come
before
you
before.
If
you
look
in
the
body
the
staff
report,
we
have
a
section
on
the
zoning
history.
What
you're
seeing
tonight
is
merely
is
the
planning
activity
of
the
kind
of
after
the
fact
the
discussion
on
the
use
and
the
density
has
already
been
decided
back
in
2020.
G
A
C
A
A
Which
is
number
14
request
from
hom
investment,
6
llc
represented
by
danny
hegan
for
the
following
property
at
740
18th
street
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
rezoning
is,
in
conformance
with
plan
dsm,
rezoned
property
from
nx
to
a
neighborhood
mixed
use.
District
to
mx1
mixed
use
district
to
allow
the
use
of
existing
building
as
a
restaurant
and
brewery.
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
commission,
srioshi
chakraborty
with
the
planning
staff
at
the
city.
The
item
before
you
is
a
rezoning
request
for
a
property
on
740
18
street.
The
request
is
to
rezone
the
property
from
nx2a
neighborhood
mix
district
to
mx1
mixed-use
district,
to
allow
the
ex
the
use
of
the
existing
building
as
a
restaurant
and
a
brewery.
O
O
The
here's,
a
photograph
of
the
building,
the
the
building,
is
a
two-story
building
and
is
about
6
451
square
foot.
Approximately.
O
O
Moving
on
to
the
proposal,
the
applicant
is
proposing
an
adaptive
reuse
of
the
building.
So
currently
the
building
includes
apartment
space,
warehouse
office,
space
and
indoor
parking.
O
O
This
is
a
site
plan
showing
the
the
floor
plan
for
the
the
main
ground
level,
which
includes
the
the
seating,
the
restaurant,
seating
area,
the
bar
area
and
the
outdoor
patio
space.
I'll
come
back
to
this
again,
but
just
wanted
to
show
you
the
basement
plan,
and
you
can
see
here.
The
basement
is
where
they
are
proposing,
the
the
they
they
had
initially
proposed.
The
brewery
operation
includes
five
parking
spaces
and
some
storage
area
as
well.
O
Since
we
received
this
plan,
the
applicant
has
made
a
few
updates
to
their
design,
and
I
wanted
to
show
you
how
it's
changed.
It's
changed
a
little
bit,
so
what
they're
proposing
now
is
they're
proposing
to
move
the
the
the
brewery
part
of
things
up
to
the
main
level,
along
with
the
kitchen
that
frees
up
space
in
the
basement.
So
now,
instead
of
five
parking
spaces,
they
have
11
parking
spaces
in
the
basement,
basement
area
the
upper
floor,
the
main
level
with
the
restaurant
and
bar
and
kitchen
is
now
looking
more
like
this.
O
You
can
kind
of
see
the
the
dining
and
drinking
area
has
been
reduced.
The
kitchen
area
has
been
expanded
with
the
with
the
brewery
operation
happening
in
conjunction
with
the
kitchen
right
here,
and
so
what
ended
up
happening
is
that
the
square
footage
that
was
there
initially
proposed
for
the
dining
and
drinking
area
has
reduced.
O
P
O
O
So
with
that,
I
wanted
to
move
on
to
to
some
additional
analysis
that
we
had
provided
in
the
staff
report
in
terms
of
the
parking
parking
minimum
parking
requirements
for
this
proposed
use.
So
the
the
parking
for
for
the
use
must
be
provided
in
accordance
with
the
parking
ratios
that
are
established.
The
minimum
parking
ratios
established
in
table
135-6.4-1.
O
In
mx-1
and
mx-2
districts,
the
minimum
parking
requirement
is
60
percent
of
those
parking
ratios,
the
applicant,
also
being
a
non-residential
use,
is
able
to
factor
in
on
street
parking
at
the
rate
of
one
parking.
Space
per
linear,
25
feet
frontage,
and
since
the
property
has
about
60
foot
frontage
onto
18th
street,
they
are
able
to
take
credit
of
two
on-street
parking
spaces.
O
The
applicant
has
also
indicated
that
they
are
interested
in
taking
advantage
of
the
easy
access
to
on-street
parking
availability
generally
in
the
in
the
vicinity
of
the
area
and
there's
some
ballpark
numbers
that
we
estimated
just
based
on
the
square
footage
there's
about
41
spaces
on
18th
street,
on
both
sides
of
the
street,
there's
and
again,
there's
around
18
spaces
on
center
street
and
18
on
pleasant
street.
O
So
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
availability
of
on
street
parking
generally
in
that
vicinity
also
wanted
to
talk
through
this
table
a
little
bit
that
was
included
in
your
staff
report.
O
Basically,
what
we've
showed
here
is
a
comparison
of
the
minimum
parking
spaces
required
based
on
the
existing
use
of
the
building
and
the
proposed
use
of
the
building.
The
existing
use
includes
some
apartment,
space,
warehouse
and
storage,
as
well
as
office
space
and
based
on
the
square
footage
and
the
requirements.
O
The
minimum
parking
spaces
that
are
required
comes
out
to
be
about
10
parking
spaces.
The
proposed
use
includes
eating
drinking
space,
kitchen
space,
the
fabrication
and
production
for
the
for
the
brewery
operation
as
well.
Well
as
warehouse
and
storage
and
office
space,
so
factoring
all
of
those
in
the
the
areas
and
the
minimum
requirements
for
the
the
the
parking
ratio
table.
O
The
and
the
minimum
space
is
required
comes
out
to
be
20.,
and
since
this
is
an
mx,
this
is
in
the
proposed
district
is
mx1.
O
The
the
minimum
requirement
would
be
60
of
that,
and
so
the
total
parking
spaces
that
would
be
required
as
a
result
of
the
proposed
use
comes
out
to
be
12..
So
the
the
intent
of
the
analysis
was
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
parking
requirements
and
the
difference
as
a
result
of
the
change
in
use.
The
change
in
use
leads
to
a
slight
increase
in
demand,
although
it's
not
too
much,
it's
10
parking
spaces
versus
the
12
parking
spaces.
O
With
the
proposed
change
in
use,
the
final
parking
requirement
would
be
contingent
on
the
design
and,
as
I
showed
you,
the
applicant
has
already
changed
the
design
a
little
bit
which
the
initially
they
had
proposed,
1650
square
foot
and
they
have
reduced
that.
So
what
that
does
is
that
then,
the
minimum
space
is
required
also
also
decreases.
However,
they
did
increase
the
kitchen
space.
So
so
again
it
kind
of
balances
out
it's
it's
not
going
to
change
so
much.
O
So
with
that
staff's
rationale
with
this
is
that
this
is
a.
This
is
a
use
that
would
would
be
appropriate
in
terms
of
the
land
use
and
the
character
of
this
neighborhood.
There
would
be
an
additional
demand
in
parking,
however,
those
issues
can
be
mitigated
appropriate
with
appropriate
and
efficient
design,
and
one
of
the
recommendations
that
staff
has
at
this
time
is
to
not
exceed
the
proposed
1650
square
foot
of
dining
and
drinking
area,
which
would
ensure
that
the
applicant
stays
within
the
12
minimum
parking
spaces
that
are
required.
O
They
can
go
under
that
as
they
have
proposed
with
their
updated
design,
but
staff
would
recommend
that
they
don't
go
over
the
1650
square
foot.
So
with
that
staff
recommends
that
the
requested
zoning
rezoning
be
found
in
conformance
with
the
existing
land
use
designation
of
neighborhood
mixed
use.
Staff
also
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
rezoning
subject
to
the
to
the
condition
that
the
maximum
space
allocated
for
drinking
eating,
excluding
circulation,
space,
restroom
and
kitchen
shall
not
exceed
the
1650
square
foot
area.
O
The
applicant
did
conduct
neighborhood
outreach,
one-on-one
meetings,
they
did
do
a
neighborhood
meeting
as
well
and
provided
us
a
summary,
a
detailed
summary
of
the
topics
that
were
discussed.
I'm
going
to
stay
here
for
a
minute,
so
you
can
take
a
look
at
some
of
the
topics
that
were
discussed.
There
was
discussion
on
parking
traffic,
congestion,
safety.
O
O
O
We
we
got
another
comment
card
in
person
that
came
in
today.
That's
why
it's
not
included
in
our
consent
map.
However,
this
is
from
another
property
owner
owning
several
properties
in
this
area,
and
that's
that's
the
comment
that
was
provided
to
us.
O
M
In
many
jurisdictions
there's
a
reduction
in
minimum
parking
requirements
as
a
function
of
proximity
to
public
transit,
and
there
is
actually
good
public
transit
within
the
range
of
what
would
normally
be
there.
Do
we
have
that
opportunity
within
with
within
our
code?
Is
that
is
that
something's
referenced?
I
don't
think
I've
seen
it
is
that
in
a
policy
or
anything
else,
we
do
because
there's
multiple
bus
stops.
There's
multiple
access
points.
O
Yeah,
I
think
that
the
way
it
factors
in
is
that
reduction
that
you
get
in
mx1
and
mx2
district,
which
are
typically
located
in
transit
corridors
and
walkable
neighborhoods,
and
as
as
a
result
of
that
that
developments
that
come
in
in
mx1
and
mx2
districts
automatically
get
a
60
of
the
of
the
minimum
parking
ratio.
So
that's
how
it
factors
in.
G
In
addition
to
that,
beyond
kind
of
the
formula
style
approach
parking
is,
there
is
type
one
design,
alternative
availability
for
parking
administrative
level
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
would
look
at
as
staff
is
proximity
to
you
know:
transit
routes,
there's
not
a
set
like
automatic
percentage
reduction,
but
it's
a
it's
one
of
the
things
that
we
can
take
into
account
or
if
it
happens
to
be
something
that
staff-
wouldn't
it's
not
approvable
by
staff
that'd
be
something
the
commission
could
look
at
as
well.
G
But
those
are
judgments
made
at
the
site
plan
stage
when
we
review
parking
setbacks.
All
those
types
of
things.
Q
M
G
The
commission,
or,
ultimately
the
city
council,
would
adopt
that
as
a
condition
that
would
create
a
a
cap
on
how
much
space
could
be.
Restaurant
use
doesn't
mean
that
there
might
not
be
other
uses
in
parking
and
we'll
have
to.
You
know,
look
at
those
things,
but
what
we
were
trying
to
do
is
just
limit
the
amount
of
the
building
that
could
be
occupied
by
that
restaurant
use,
which
is
kind
of
the
higher
generator
anything
else.
G
Whether
it
was
office
or
any
other
uses
would
not
be
subject
to
that,
and
we
could,
you
know,
there'd,
be
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
finesse
and
actually
the
the
zoning
condition
is
like.
I
said
it's
really
addressing
just
how
much
square
footage
is
occupied
by
the
restaurant,
not
so
much
getting
into
the
weeds
on
parking
numbers,
or
I
mean
I
think
if
you
look
at
the
chart
in
the
staff
report,
which
trail
should
a
good
job
of
walking
us
through.
We
already
know
going
into
this
that
they're
going
to
need
relief.
M
M
I'm
understanding
so
we're
saying
if
we
pass
the
cap
today
that
cap
will
remain
no
matter
what
happens
going
forward.
So
if
they
turns
out.
Oh
man,
we
really
need
some
more
restaurant
space
because
we
had
a
airborne
issue
and
we
need
to
spread
more
people
out.
We
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
the
same
number
of
tables
and
we'd
still
have
a
challenge.
If
we
passed
that
cap
here
today,
so
that
cap
would
restrict
the
size
of
the
square
footage
for
that
business,
generating
purpose
for.
G
Restaurant
use
for
a
permanent
situation,
I
mean,
if
there's
a
temporary,
you
know
we
just
you
know
for
covet
and
stuff
we've
had
you
know.
Cities
had
kind
of
a
program
for
allowing
people
to
use
parts
of
their
parking
lot,
different
things
and
a
temporary
nature
because
of
the
circumstance.
C
Also,
if
they
wanted
to
remove
just
that
specific
condition
they
could
come
in
for
another
rezoning,
they
could
request
rezoning
again
to
remove
that
condition.
So
you'd
have
to
go
back
through
this
process.
S
The
the
last
comment
card
from
the
the
neighbor
that
voted
in
favor
of
the
project
raised
a
question
about
closing
hours.
Would
you
address
those
please.
O
O
No,
that's
that's
not
a
comment
that
we
have
included
in
the
staff
report.
T
Does
the
patio
count
towards
the
eating
and
drinking
space.
G
G
Yeah,
it
could
be
a
zoning
condition
that
limits
hours.
Then
it's
has
to
be
enforced
by
our
zoning
staff,
so
it's
kind
of
a
can
be
an
enforcement
challenge,
but
it
wouldn't
be
unheard
of
to
have
our
restrictions.
Usually
where
you
see
our
restrictions
are
for
conditional
uses
like
for
bars
that
require
conditional
use
approval,
I've
seen
hour
restrictions
for
those
if
there's
unique
circumstances
that
warrant
it,
but
I'm
not
sure
I've
seen
it
as
a
zoning
condition
on
a
specific
site.
I
don't
know
bur,
do
you
think
you're
thinking
he's
naughty?
A
U
A
U
U
Hi
everyone
thank
you
for
listening
all
your
questions,
thoughts,
joshie
for
the
report.
I
guess
she
hit
on
everything
I
was
going
to
talk
about,
but
I
did
I'm
slightly
obsessive,
so
I
wanted
to
just
hit
on
a
couple
things
and
then
did
an
audit
of
the
neighborhood
too,
to
look
at
other
operating
commercial
businesses
to
make
sure
that
we
could
see
where
ours
align
and
very
reasonably
understand
the
comment
around
hours
and
agree
that
that's
a
reasonable
thing
to
assume
so
existing
property.
We
bought
it
back
in
july.
U
Pictures
on
the
front:
don't
really
do
the
duty
that
was
the
inside
of
the
building
and
the
dilapidation
of
behind
the
building.
So
we
spent
about
six
months
cleaning
up.
We
did
about
a
dumpster
a
day
for
two
weeks
or
sorry,
two
dumpsters
a
day
for
about
two
weeks
straight
cleaning
out
debris
between
both
buildings
started
renovations
on
the
residential
next
door.
So
we
own
that
building
as
well
as
we
looked
at
this
project
and
restoring
the
historic
existing
commercial
building.
U
U
There
were
about
three
existing
leases
for
parking
for
the
entire
building
when
we
bought
it
just
to
give
a
sense
of
the
stalls
that
were
there
today.
I
won't
say
this
is
code,
but
there
were
35
painted
stalls,
20
downstairs
and
15
upstairs.
I
think
when
we
ran
the
numbers
on
things,
so
code
would
allow
for
less
so
increasing
accountability.
Safety
security
around
the
neighborhood
bring
people
to
your
street
front,
bring
people
to
your
streets
occupying
this
space.
It
just
everybody's
watching
everybody's
taking
care.
U
You
want
to
see
that
the
business
owner
is
there
and
really
maintaining
a
space
that
is
appropriate
in
the
neighborhood,
as
we
dove
into
mx1
understanding
that
there
is
a
idea
here
that
is
neighborhood
scale,
commercial,
and
so,
when
we
had
our
first
I'll
say
high
level
concept
of
how
the
space
could
come
together,
it
was
in
our
own
little
box
and
thinking
about
the
concept.
U
We
then
pick
up
feasibility
from
here
with
the
interested
tenant
to
take
over
the
space
and
knowing
that
this
is
a
large
step
that
we
have
to
take
before.
We
continue
our
planning
and
the
effort
we
do
want
to
get
right
to
work,
though
so
we
know
starting
to
deliver
the
project
june
to
november.
Should
thanks
proceed
further,
I'm
going
to
skip
past
this.
U
I
did
just
similar
pictures
that
josie
had
mapped
out
and
put
some
yellow
boxes
where
you
start
to
see
that
image
and
really
start
to
see
how
you
know
the
view
lines
you
have
images
of
the
building.
As
you
continue
on
center
about
half
a
block
in
almost
the
entirety
of
as
you
go
towards
17th
street
there
down
center
street
and
here's
all
of
our
other
neighbors
operating
businesses,
restaurants,
specifically
and
other
commercial
uses
in
the
neighborhood,
so
largely
seeing
that
you
have
some
mornings
but
opposed
to
from
five
to
nine.
U
B
U
So
I
thought
it'd
be
really
great
to
highlight
some
of
the
other
buildings
inside
that
neighborhood
that
are
were
built
100-plus
years
ago
with
very
much
commercial
use
in
mind,
and
we
see
ourselves
closely
aligned
with
this
sherman
hill
concord,
commercial
building
ads,
contributes
to
the
fabric
of
the
neighborhood
that
it's
walkable,
the
neighborhood
scale
again
being
of
the
utmost
importance
here
that
we
think
people
will
drive,
but
largely
we
want
this
to
be
a
walking
biking
destination.
U
There
are
no
bike
racks
at
the
property
today,
so
those
will
also
be
added,
and
we
see
that
this
becomes
a
destination
for
people
who
live
in
this
core
of
the
sherman
hill
district.
That's
really
important
for
both
the
operator
and
us.
I
lived
in
truman
hill
for
four
years
and
it's
been
one
of
those
places
that
we
just
continually
come
back
to
so
again.
Thank
you.
M
I
guess:
can
I
ask
a
question
real
quick.
The
the
reduction
square
footage
plan
for
the
restaurant
was
what
was
the
was
that,
as
a
result
of
the
community
outreach
as
a
result
of
some
other
mathematics
on
the
actual
requirements,
why
was
there
a
reduction
and
is
there
any
is
that
reduction
desired
on
your
part?
Or
would
you
want
more
square
footage
if
you
could
have
it
on
the
restaurant
portion.
U
When
we
started
running
again,
just
sort
of
construction
costs
and
the
amount
of
space
that
you're
building
out
and
then
started
hearing
feedback
from
the
the
community
about
the
size
and
the
scale,
it
very
much
came
to
the
realization.
I
sort
of
I
call
solving
the
rubik's
cube
here
for
what's
the
right
solution
for
this
building,
and
it
became
very
evident
that
we
needed
to
shrink
down
that
square
footage
of
the
usable
space.
We
don't
want
a
large
capacity
in
this
area.
U
We
want
it
to
be
neighborhood
scale
and
that's
you
know
very
much
aligned
with
that
mx1
bringing
the
operations
to
one
floor
makes
it
more
efficient
from
an
operating
model
as
well.
We
don't
want
people
running
up
and
down
stairs
between
storage
and
the
brewing
process,
either
containing
this.
The
brewing
to
that
southwest
part
of
the
the
corner
in
the
kitchen
also
reduces
noise
that
could,
you
know,
go
transmit
outside
the
building,
keeping
that
transmission
close
to
the
neighboring
residential
commercial
building
as
well.
A
V
My
name
is
martha
green.
I
live
at
8,
15,
18th
street,
or
a
few
hundred
feet
north
of
the
this
project
and
I'm
generally
in
support
of
it.
I'm
really
excited
to
see
both
the
concord,
the
apartment
building
and
this
commercial
building,
which
have
both
been
dumps
for
about
as
long
as
I've
lived
in
the
neighborhood,
which
we
moved
in
in
77,
get
activated
again
be
brought
back
to
life
and
get
activated.
So
I'm
generally
in
very
much
in
support.
V
I
find
the
idea
walking
down
the
street
to
a
good
restaurant,
very
exciting,
I'm
going
to
touch
on
a
few
things
that
that
you
guys
brought
up
I'm
going
to
do
a
little
history.
First,
this
building
was
built
the
same
time
as
the
concord,
the
apartment
building
to
the
south.
V
It
was
built
as
parking
for
the
concord
now
as
danny
was
saying,
it
hasn't
been
used
as
parking
for
that
apartment
for
ever
so
that's
negative
on
my
mind
so,
which
brings
me
to
the
parking
that's
a
heavily
resident.
Well,
the
whole
neighborhood
is
residential,
but
that
street
is
probably
the
densest
in
terms
of
apartments.
V
V
I
have
to
think
ahead
what
happens
when
danny's,
not
there,
what
happens
when
the
chicago
slumlord
gets
hold
of
it
again?
The
worst
thing
I
can
think
about
is
a
bar,
that's
open.
Until
two
o'clock
people
stumble
out
of
it
drunk
throw
up
in
the
street
on
the
sidewalk,
it
happens
in
our
neighborhood
at
another
bar
are
loud.
You
know
most
of
the
people
in
those
apartments
there's
no
car.
You
notice
there
were
no
cars
in
those
daytime
pictures
because
they're
all
at
work.
S
Madam
chair
I'd
like
to
ask
the
what
were
the
numbers
that
you
had
suggested
as
as
ours?
Please.
W
David
carlson,
I'm
the
one
that
put
the
card
in
I've
lived
there.
I
think
martha
and
I
moved
in
there
maybe
the
same
year,
40
50
years
ago,
but
now
I
own
eight
buildings
in
the
neighborhood.
I
own
all
the
street
frontage
except
one
lot
across
the
street
from
from
here
and
I'm
thrilled
to
see
danny
come
to
the
neighborhood,
and
I
support
him
and.
W
I'm
asking
for
the
hours
is
basically
what
martha
said
is
I've
seen
too
many
properties,
we
had
a
nightmare
for
four
years
before
danny
bought
the
building
and
just
for
the
neighborhood
insurance.
I
think
we
need
to
have
the
10
o'clock
and
11
o'clock
hours
put
on
it.
If
we
want
to
change
it
in
the
future.
W
A
X
My
name
is
robert
mccammon.
I
live
at
801
18th
street,
so
I'm
kind
of
across
the
street
from
this
property
a
little
bit
diagonal.
I'm
excited
about
that
commercial
space
being
reactivated.
X
I
fee,
I
feel
it
fits
within
the
character
of
our
neighborhood
and
as
far
as
parking.
So
I
live
right
on
the
corner
of
18th
and
center
and
we
have,
I
feel,
and
some
other
neighbors
have
an
issue
with
speeders
on
center
street.
So
my
hope
is
that
with
maybe
some
of
these
patrons
parking
on
center
it'll
actually
act
as
a
traffic
calming.
Y
It
hi
everyone,
I'm
kale
johnson.
I
live
at
7,
44
19th,
so
you
can
see
me
kind
of
on
there
on
19th,
I
see
this
property
from
my
front
window,
we've
been
in
the
neighborhood
for
a
number
of
years
now,
not
as
many
as
martha
but
working
on
it
we're
doing
a
big
renovation
on
our
property
and
it's
the
kind
that
you
wouldn't
do
unless
you
plan
to
stay
for
a
while,
so
we're
invested,
we
can
see
this
from
our
front
window,
and
this
is
a
good
thing.
Y
Y
I
think
they've
proven
to
be
a
good
neighbor.
Already,
there's
been
as
mentioned,
this
property
has
been
a
huge
challenge
for
us
and
danny's.
You
know
already
shown
up
to
help
pick
up
trash
and
do
stuff.
That
shows
that
I
think
that
they're
going
to
be
good
partners
for
this
space,
so
we're
excited
about
it,
and
I
hope
that
we
can
approve
it.
Thank
you.
Z
A
Z
And
support
hi,
my
name
is
matt
warner
blankenship.
I
live
at
829,
19th
street,
so
just
a
little
bit
north
there
on
the
map.
I
have
only
lived
in
german
hills
since
on
october
of
2020,
but
I
do
take
the
word
of
the
longer
term
residents
as
to
the
the
long-term
blight
of
this
property.
I
think
that
danny
and
his
team
have
done
a
good
job
convincing
me
that
the
use
of
the
space
is
going
to
be
appropriate
and
that
it's
going
to
be
an
asset
to
the
neighborhood
going
forward.
E
Good
evening
my
name
is
angela:
broughton
romain
731
16th
street,
so
maybe
not
quite
on
your
map.
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
sherman
hill
association.
The
current
president
just
wanted
to
draw
your
attention
to
our
letter
and
your
materials
and
affirm
our
support
of
this
project.
We've
really
appreciated.
E
I
would
mention
danny's
outreach
and
attention
to
neighbors.
I
don't
think
there's
ever
a
project
that
has
100
support
that'd
be
great
if
there
was,
but
it's
been
very
responsive
to
concerns.
Neighbors
have
raised
and
I'll
just
echo
what
others
have
said
that
I
think
this
is
a
a
great
investment
in
a
great
development
for
the
neighborhood.
Thank
you.
AA
My
name
is
jared
baloo.
I
live
at
726
18th
street,
so
about
the
second
closest
house
to
the
to
the
property
just
just
to
the
south.
You
can
see
I'm
in
support
of
this
project
as
well.
I
think
danny
has
proven
already
to
be
a
really
good
neighbor
and
you
know
kind
of
much
better
than
what
we've
had
to
deal
with
in
the
past.
AA
E
AB
AB
I
live
at
7,
19th
street.
It's
the
building
across
the
alley
from
this
property.
I've
lived
there
for
about
13
years
now
I
do
have
concerns
about
parking,
especially
since
the
concord
is
now
vacant.
There
were
dozens
of
units
in
that
particular
five-story
apartment
building.
AB
It
is
also
difficult
after
snowfall
and
yes,
there
is
parking
on
center
street
after
dark,
I'm
concerned
about
the
long-term
viability
of
a
restaurant
in
this
area.
It's
not
near
any
other
restaurants,
it's
about
a
12-minute
walk
from
the
nearest
one,
and
if
it
does
fail,
then
what
will
go
in
after
that?
AB
AD
Probably
from
this
you
know,
generally,
I'm
certainly
a
pro
investment
in
the
neighborhood
having
been
a
new
investor,
I
just
less
than
a
year
ago,
bought
that
property.
For
me,
it's
the
question
of
you
know.
Is
it
the
right
investment
in
terms
of?
Do
you
want
a
bar
there,
so
I
think
dave
and
martha
probably
brought
up
a
key
issue.
I
think
is
hours
of
operation.
I
think
that
has
to
have
strong
consideration
because
you
are
in
a
residential
area,
not
just
a
residential
area,
a
national
historic
site.
AD
D
AD
AD
AD
So
it
will
need
to
be
managed
if,
if
this
indeed
goes
through,
then
my
only
request
is
just
pause
and
say
hey.
If
it's
going
to
be,
you
know
if
it's
not
going
to
be
a
binding
type
of
arrangement
where
the
hours
of
operation
are
restricted.
I
would
have
a
much
bigger
concern
about
this
going
into
a
residential
area.
AD
Right
this
is
a
residential
area,
so
it
should
be
the
you
know:
there's
a
lot
of
investment
going
in
here.
Hopefully
it's
a
pride
of
des
moines,
but
it's
more
of
a
what
I
was
hoping
was
going
to
be
more
of
a
bedroom
community.
Then
that's
bring
the
city
in
and
so
it's
it's
it's
a
balance,
and
so
if
it
can
be
done
responsibly
again
on
pro
investment,
what
I've
chosen
a
bar
in
that
location,
not
sure.
G
AE
Hi,
I'm
mike
curry.
I
live
at
1800
center
street
so
right
on
the
corner,
two
structures
north
of
the
proposed
restaurant
and
my
concerns
are
largely
related
to
parking
as
well
and
then,
of
course,
with
my
proximity
to
the
place,
I'm
concerned
about
potential
smells
as
my
understanding
is.
AE
I
think
and
greater
my
proximity
is
closer
to
the
structure
than
a
lot
of
other
people's,
so
those
concerns
are
greater
for
me,
but
to
echo
what
some
other
people
have
said.
Currently
the
concord
is
empty,
I'm
not
sure
when
danny
took
over
the
place,
if
it
was
at
full
capacity
or
not,
I
know
the
renovation
is
at
least
a
million
dollar
1.4
million
dollar
renovation.
AE
I
expect
well.
I
know
that
prior
residents,
a
lot
of
section
8
housing,
a
lot
of
people
that
didn't
have
cars.
My
expectation
is
that
if
they
do
the
renovation
in
a
way,
that
is
more
appealing
to
maybe
a
younger
professional
crowd
that
might
fill
that
space.
That
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
cars
on
center
on
18th
street
and
on
center
street,
and
you
don't
have
I
mean
you
can
look
in
the
neighborhood.
AE
If
you
go
and
look
at
apostol
any
any
night
of
the
week,
you
can
see
cars
parked
all
the
way
up,
18th
street
and
around
woodland
when
the
ib
ew
holds
their
monthly
meeting
just
north
on
18th
street,
the
pickup
trucks
that
line
center
street
and
18th
street
pack
the
place
and
then,
of
course
that
doesn't
account
for
weather
like
snow,
where
we're
on
odd,
even
parking
where
half
the
street
can't
be
parked
on
anyway.
Throw
in.
AE
I
don't
know
what
the
new
capacity
based
on
this
on
this
new
floor
plan
is
going
to
be
for
the
restaurant,
but
if
it's
40,
50
60
people,
you
know,
even
if
you
count
two
people
to
a
car
you're,
still
looking
at
20
30
additional
vehicles
that
need
to
find
parking,
and
so
I
do
think
I
I
really
do
think
we're
underestimating
the
potential
parking
use
and
what's
going
to
be
available,
and
so
I
would
consider
whether
or
not
these
fits
within
the
parking
framework.
AF
Hello,
my
name
is
jalen
cavill.
I
live
at
743
19th
street,
so
the
castle
apartment
buildings,
which
is
directly
behind
this
building.
Honestly,
I'm
not
really
in
opposition
to
the
building
of
a
small
restaurant
or
a
brewery
here.
I
really
just
want
to
reiterate
the
concerns
about
parking,
especially
with
that
alley
because,
like
I
said,
I
live
at
the
apartment
building
right
behind
there.
So
there's
that
alley
that
separates
where
I
live
at
to
this
building
yeah.
We
got
the
mouse
and
the
parking
lot
right
here.
AF
So
this
parking
lot
is
regularly
full
with
cars
of
everyone
who
lives
in
the
apartment,
building
right
here
and
I'm
concerned.
If
is
there
going
to
be
an
access
point
to
access
the
parking
from
the
alleyway,
because
if
there
is,
I
think
it's
going
to
get
really
congested,
the
alleyway
already
can
be
dangerous.
AF
There
are
like
blind
spots
sometimes
if
I
want
to
leave
and
turn
there'll
be
cars
coming
this
way
that
you
can't
see,
so
I
feel
like
that
could
be
a
danger
to
folks
so
yeah
really
just
concerned
about
parking,
especially
with
this
alley.
Thanks.
N
N
It's
a
little
disappointing
that
you
didn't
include
in
your
grid,
how
you
were
going
to
hopefully
appeal
to
bicyclists
and
encourage
people
to
get
there
by
not
driving.
Since
so
many
people
have
concerns
about
driving.
So
I
would
encourage
you
to
make
bike
parking
front
and
center
and
something
that
people
would
love
to
ride
their
bikes
to
also
if,
if
sherman
hill
doesn't
want
it,
I
live
in
ingersoll
park.
You
can
come
to
my
neighborhood.
A
All
right
anyone
else,
the
applicant,
you
can
come
up
and
you
have
10
minutes
for
rebuttal
and
answer
any
questions
that
were
presented.
U
U
If
there's
11
cars
that
are
coming
down
in
the
alley,
there
were
20
cars
that
were
previously
coming
down
the
alley.
Also
garbage
is
all
through
there
and
a
garbage
truck
that's
down
the
alley,
so
new
congestion
we'll
keep
our
eyes
on
it
and
make
sure
that
we
respond
accordingly,
but
we're
actually
reducing
20
down
to
11
spaces
in
the
bottom
of
the
garage.
So
we're
reducing
the
current
parking
usage
in
the
bottom
of
the
garage
there.
U
E
U
Let's
talk
about
mx1
versus
nx2a,
so
if
this
was
going
to
be
a
creative
agency,
if
this
was
going
to
be
a
non-profit,
if
this
was
going
to
be
any
sort
of
office
use,
my
understanding
is
that
unless
it
was
owner
occupied,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
use
that
work
with
that
tenant
in
this
location,
unless
we
rezoned,
and
so
the
rezoning
was
required,
largely
on
the
stipulation
of
an
owner-occupied
commercial
use
versus
a
neighborhood
scale,
commercial
use
and
so
our
goal
as
we
work
through
the
tenant
and
long-term
feasibility.
U
It's
a
large
investment.
I've
lost
a
little
bit
of
sleep
about
it
and
I
believe
that
we're
working
on
the
right
track,
we're
offering
the
right
rental
rate
for
them
to
be
successful
and
for
us
to
be
successful
based
on
dollars.
I'm
an
economics
guy,
so
I've
run
80
models
and
run
all
the
numbers
on
things,
and
I
feel
like
we're
on
track.
U
U
You're
done,
you
know,
ideally
it's
no
more
than
if
you
live
next
to
zanzibar
or
live
next
to
somewhere,
where
they're
also
roasting
it's
a
smell.
You
know
we
have
walked
by
lua
to
understand
their
sort
of
scale
and
their
operations
smells
emitted,
and
it's
not
something
that
drew
our
attention
after
this
concern
was
raised
at
our
neighborhood
meeting
noise
units
on
top
of
the
ceiling
or
on
the
rooftop.
U
Again
this
is
a
commercial
building.
It's
been
there
for
100
years,
redoing
infrastructure,
so
we're
redoing.
All
electrical
service,
plumbing
water
to
the
building
a
commercial
unit
for
mechanical
is
going
to
be
required.
Regardless
of
what
we
do.
A
new
system
going
up.
There
is
going
to
be
quieter,
probably
than
42
running
air
conditioning
units
hanging
outside
of
all
the
neighboring
buildings.
U
U
Bike
parking,
so
we
will
have
you
know
new.
U
You
can't
see
it
in
any
of
our
plans
as
we
go
through
here,
but
adjacent
to
between
the
buildings
and
adjacent
to
the
residential,
we'll
be
installing
new
bike
bike
racks
there
weren't
any
in
the
past,
but
I'm
an
avid
bicyclist,
and
so
I
could
see
that
we
have.
You
know
six.
I
think
we're
required
to
have
two
but
six
to
12
viking.
U
S
S
U
Let's
just
go
to
the
other
hours
of
operating
businesses
in
the
community.
It
was
on
the
deck
that
I
sent
over.
D
U
So
again,
aligned
with
all
these
neighboring
restaurants
and
uses
of
commercial
in
the
neighborhood.
I
think
the
hours
of
weekdays
10
weekend
friday
saturday
11
reasonable
it's
aligned
with
all
the
other
hours
of
operations
in
the
in
the
community,
and
so
we're
welcome
to
any
type
of
condition
applied
to
this.
That
is
aligned
with
this.
S
A
Thank
you,
yeah,
thank
you,
but
jason,
just
so
I'm
clear,
practically
speaking
to
enforce
that
one
of
the
city's
staff
would
have
to
go
to
the
location
or
it
would
have
to
be
reported
that
it
was
in
violation.
G
Yeah,
you
know
our
restrictions,
like
any
zoning
restrictions,
sometimes
could
be
tricky
to
enforce
it.
I
we
did
do
a
little
homework.
Why
why
people
have
been
giving
testimony?
We
do
have
a
case
or
two
that
we
found
in
in
the
record
of
zoning
conditions
with
some
hour
limitations,
so
we
have
crossed
that
threshold
before
so.
I
think
the
commission
could
do
that,
but
again,
if
anything
enforcement
sometimes
can
be
a
challenge.
G
G
So
if
down
the
road,
there
was
a
different
operator
and
we
were
concerned
that
they
weren't
operating
in
conformance
with
that,
our
zone
enforcement
staff
can
request
a
an
audit
to
go
through
an
audit
process
and
if,
if
they
fail
that
audit,
then
they'll
lose
their
liquor
license.
So
there
is.
There
is
a
mechanism
to
control
that.
I
think
if
you
mix
that
with
the
hours
and
the
size
limitations,
those
are
some
good
things
to
keep
in
mind
the
other.
I
did
want
to
note
bike
parking
is
required
and
nobody's
asking
to
waive
that.
G
We
will
definitely
keep
that
in
mind
when
the
site
plan
comes
forward,
and
then
there
was
a
the
existing
zoning.
Nx2A
does
have
a
provision
for
home-based
businesses
for
those
for
residents.
Danny
had
alluded
to
that,
so
that
that
was
something
that
it's
been
unique
to
sherman
hill
for
a
long
time
and
with
the
new
zealand
code.
Excuse
me,
we
carried
that
forward,
but
it
does
require
you
to
live
on
site.
G
M
It
I've
got
some
thoughts
and
I
guess
I'll
open
with
a
quick
bias
on
this
a
bit.
So
I
guess
I
have
a.
I
have
a
concern
as
someone
who
used
to
live
at
16th
and
center
and
doesn't
anymore
by
what
I
think
are
sometimes
unreasonable
restrictions
put
on
the
ability
for
projects
to
expand
to
modern
uses.
Although
obviously
the
you
know,
our
carriage
houses
have
now
gone
as
big
as
the
houses
in
the
eye
of
mordor
is
obviously
its
own
thing
now
next
to
hoyt
sherman.
M
I
do
think
that
putting
a
size
restriction
in
here
that
has
the
ability
for
that
property
to
have
a
chance
for
it.
A
restaurant
use
to
be
potentially
non-economically
viable
at
some
point
is
a
concern
to
me,
I'm
very,
very,
very
supportive
of
this
type
of
use
for
this
building.
This
is
a
great
use
of
this
building.
It's
right.
Now
it's
been
designed
very
well.
Obviously,
it's
got
great
public
support.
M
I
guess
I
do
have
concern
with
us
putting
a
restriction
here
at
this
point
on
that
on
that
size,
similar
to
the
hours
putting
the
hours
as
a
restriction.
At
this
point
of
the
process
doesn't
seem
like
it
makes
a
punch,
a
ton
of
sense
to
me.
I
think
that
when
we
look
back
historically
the
type
of
neighborhoods
that
this
is,
you
know
that
sherman
hill
can
grow
into
our
parking
is
not
a
crunch
right
now
relative
to
what
it
you
know,
other
neighborhoods
that
are
like
this
and
we
look
at
historical
uses.
M
As
marth
probably
easily
knows,
this
mixed-use
type
was
far
more
prevalent
and
even
in
this
own
neighborhood,
when
we're
looking
back
with
the
buildings
that
were
in
here
like
shaden's
building
at
what
what
is
now
was
it
it's
sorry
it's
center
in
20th
right
it
was.
It
was
a
grocery
store
right,
I
mean
so
that
this
mixed
use
is,
is
natural
to
this
neighborhood.
M
So
I
hugely
hugely
agree
with
this,
but
I
do
have
a
fundamental
opposition
to
putting
a
size
restriction
on
here
when
there's
providing
a
business
risk
that
it
hasn't
proven
to
be
necessary.
Yet
so
I
would
you
know,
I
won't
make
a
motion
prior
to
other
people
having
discussion,
but
I
would
have
a
strong
leaning
to
moving
staff
without
the
size
restriction
on
it
for
the
case
of
not
putting
an
unnecessary
restriction
on
a
business
that
I
think
we
all
really
do
want,
especially
if
it's
run
well
and
we
also
have
noise
restrictions.
M
We
have
all
kinds
of
other
restrictions
and
ordinance
that
can
account
for
the
other
things
that
are
being
identified
as
potential
challenges,
without
putting
as
a
permanent
restriction
on
the
ability
for
this
business
to
be
viable
within
the
use
of
of
this
neighborhood,
and
I
also
do
actually
love
carl's
by
the
way.
So
sorry,
differences
of
opinions.
S
S
It's
an
example:
it's
exemplary
of
a
neighborhood
group.
People
share
their
ideas;
they
share
their
complaints,
they
work
together
and
they
work
successfully
together.
It's
quite,
I
think,
a
model
here
in
the
in
in
the
city
and
and
in
the
state.
Quite
frankly,
today
we
heard
from
the
the
president
of
the
association
that
the
association
is
strongly
in
favor
of
this
application.
As
it
stands,
I
think
that
is
worthy
of
serious
consideration
by
all
of
us.
S
We
heard
some
suggestions
to
improve
the
potential
future
of
the
building
and
also
the
the
use
of
the
building
within
the
neighborhood,
for
the
the
benefit,
and
also
for
the
pleasure
and
of
the
neighbors
surrounding,
and
I
think
that
the
operating
hours
that
have
been
suggested,
both
by
myself
and
also
agreed
upon
by
the
applicant,
should
be
taken
into
consideration
seriously
as
well.
T
T
T
I
think
I
could
see
where
chris's
concerns
come
into
play
if
there's
ever
a
change
in
the
parking,
if
there's
ever
a
change
in
the
map
for
the
parking
calculation
down
the
road,
for
instance,
if
the
parking
required,
if
it's
you
know
not
one
per
150
but
one
per
350,
then
then
this
use
would
be
held
to
a
different
standard
from
surrounding
properties.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
a
another
way
to
address
it.
G
Well,
if
the,
if
the
area
calculate
or
the
area
restriction
or
cap,
isn't
there,
then
the
really
parking
becomes
an
issue.
That's
looked
at
at
the
site
plan
stage
and
based
off
of
whatever
the
uses
are
at
any
one
given
time
and
the
there
is
an
opportunity,
we've
already
kind
of
calculated
or
factored
in
the
fact
that
we're
going
to
be
offering
design
alternative
relief
to
this
so
that
it,
I
think,
we're
all
going
into
this.
G
So
I
think
the
the
if
you're
comfortable,
not
having
that
be
some
sort
of
regulation
with
the
you
know
that
we
thought
the
square
footage
or
the
restaurant
area
made
sense
to
do
that,
but
if
you're
comfortable
leaving
it
basically
in
staff's
hands
as
when
this
comes
forward
through
the
site
plan
process,
we'll
we'll
review
it
just
like
we
would
any
site
plan,
we
will
just
make
a
judgment
call.
Obviously,
we
have
a
unique
opportunity
in
the
sense
that
we've
heard
all
this
feedback.
G
I
think
we
have
a
pretty
solid
sense
that
the
scale
what
they're
showing
is
susceptible
based
off
of
what's
there.
So
I
intend
that
we
will
approve
this
administratively,
but
if,
where
it
becomes
a
little
more
open-ended
is,
let's
say,
10
years
down
the
road.
Whatever
there's
this
notion,
we
need
to
expand
and
at
that
point
that's
going
to
become
a
staff
decision
again,
and
so
we
won't
have
had
the
benefit
of
this
hearing
people.
You
know
things
change,
I'm
comfortable
with
that,
because
you
know,
I
believe,
in
our
staff
and
to
make
good
decisions.
T
I
think
also
for
context.
650
square
feet
is
a
good
sized
establishment.
They
probably
wouldn't
get
much
larger
than
that
that'd
be
that'd,
be
like
110
occupants
in
that
restaurant
at
peak
capacity,
which
is
probably
bigger
than
they're
planning
on
my
guess.
So
it's
probably
not
a
restrictive
number.
M
M
Concerned
on
what
what
are
we
expecting
sherman
hill
to
be
going
forward?
Is
sherman
hill,
going
to
continue
to
be
something
where
the
houses
are
larger,
it's
more
exclusive,
it's
something
where
you
know
the
average
person
is
priced
out
of,
or
is
it
something
where
we
actually
have
the
incredibly
vibrant
and
diverse
neighborhood?
That's
go
on
the
trajectory
to
be
if
we
don't
put
on
unnecessary
restrictions
in
places
where
they
don't
need
to
be.
As
I
say,
I
think,
there's
a
you
know
again.
M
I
also
strongly
agree
with
carol
with
modes
of
transportation
and
these
types
of
neighborhoods,
as
they
develop
more
multi-use
and
more
mixed,
are
going
to
be
able
to
accommodate
more
as
we
look
at
you
know.
If
we
look
at
the
future
of
it,
I
guess
I
I'm
less
concerned
with.
With
that
being
a
problem,
I
mean
the
parking
there.
M
There
is
plenty
of
parking
here
can
in
this
type
of
a
neighbor
compared
to
where
it
would
be
in
any
way
anywhere
else
like
we
were
under
appreciating
how
dense
other
places
are
that
have
this
type
of
opportunity
in
them?
So
I
guess
I
again.
I
have
a
fundamental
opposition
to
an
unnecessary
restriction
in
here
and
I
do
trust
jason
to
a
large
piece.
S
Needed,
madam
chair,
I
move
a
staff
recommendation
with
the
addition
that
closing
hours
be
monday
through
thursday
at
10
p.m.
Friday
and
saturday
at
11
pm.
G
Sunday
did
you
say,
monday
or
sunday
through
thursday.
I.
R
S
R
A
Can
I
offer
a
friendly
amendment
which
is
just
midnight
on
friday
saturday,
I'm
just
thinking
that
there
could
be.
I
mean
normally,
you
probably
close
at
11,
but
there
could
be
opportunities
to
stay
open
until
midnight,
I'm
thinking
like
weddings
in
the
summer,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
would
offer
midnight.
E
AH
AH
The
site
consists
of
a
one-story
one
household
dwelling
and
a
two-story,
multiple
household
dwelling,
and
I'm
going
to
kind
of
show.
The
context
of
the
surrounding
area
across
the
street
is
the
the
warehouse
use
that
is
requesting
the
additional
parking
surface
parking
lot
in
this
property
here
adjoining
adjacent
to
the
property
is
residential
to
the
west
across
the
alley
to
the
north
is
residential
and
then
to
the
east
is
residential
as
well.
AH
AH
AH
AH
And
I
will
zoom
in
on
a
snippet
or
an
image
of
the
parking,
so
you
could
see
that
a
little
more
clearly,
the
parking
lot
would
be
accessed
from
both
dean
avenue
and
east
25th
street,
and
so,
as
as
part
of
our
review,
we
look
at
it
for
consideration
of
of
approval
with
the
idea
that
it
will
be
necessary
to
comply
with
chapter
135,
landscape
standards,
site
plan
ordinance
as
well.
AH
We
are
requesting
that
there
be
a
heavy
buffer
along
the
alley
side
and
along
the
property
line
to
the
east.
That
would
be
a
10
foot,
heavily
landscaped
with
a
fence
in
that
area.
Currently
it
doesn't
show
that,
but
there
is
room
to
work
through
making
some
areas
a
little
more
a
little
bit
more
amenable
to
adding
the
setbacks
along
those
areas,
but
once
again,
we're
here
to
discuss
the
the
rezoning
and
the
land
use
amendment.
AH
And
so
currently,
today,
the
property
has
a
designation
of
low
density
residential
and
that
really
is
prescribed
primarily
for
single
family
and
two
family
residential
units.
Up
to
six
dwelling
units
per
net
acre,
the
applicant
has
proposed
rx2
in
order
to
allow
the
property
to
be
developed
for
that
parking
lot.
AH
AH
AH
The
rx2
district
does
allow
for
the
surface
parking
lot
subject
to
obtaining
a
conditional
use,
so
they,
if
they
successfully
re-zone
the
property,
they
would
need
to
seek
a
conditional
use
from
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment.
Who
would
then
have
a
purview
view
if
it's
a
condition
to
if
there
ends
up
being
some
form
of
a
nuisance
or
another,
bring
it
back
for
reconsideration
could
be
a
possibility
possible
condition
of
board
of
adjustment
approval.
AH
Staff
believes
that
the
subject
property
is
appropriate
for
rx2.
It
would
allow
for
that
non-accessory
parking
lot.
The
warehouse
use
as
it
stands
today
across
the
street
is
a
building.
That's
been
there
since
1954,
and
I
think
there
was
an
addition
in
1980,
and
so
it
is
an
industrial
use
area.
It's
designated
for
that
when
they
came
in,
they
had
a
parking
requirement
of
45
stalls.
They
did
improvements
to
the
site.
At
that
time
it
had
52
stalls.
AH
AH
I
imagine
that
maybe
there's
been
some
success
that
has
occurred
in
terms
of
you
know
the
the
quantity
needing
additional
parking
and
so
staff
recommendation
be
found
that
it's
not
in
conformance
with
the
existing
land
use
destination
of
low
density,
residential,
recommend,
approval
of
amending
that
designation
to
community
mixed
use
and
then
recommend
approval
of
the
rx2.
AH
AH
There
were
two
comments
and
one
was
in
favor
of
the
project
and
the
other
had
indicated
that
they
weren't
in
favor.
However,
they
would
be
in
favor
if
the
lot
was
fenced
in
and
had
lighting,
and
I
can't
speak
to
whether
or
not
they'll
have
lighting,
but
there
will
be
fencing
as
part
of
the
requirements
of
the
code
and
unless
they
were
to
seek
some
sort
of
waiver
of
that
and
here's
a
map
of
it.
AH
This,
the
building
in
question:
no,
it's
not
it's
it's
that
building
is
a
whole
sales
and
services.
Llc
is
the
owner
of
that.
B
Frank,
I
have
a
question
on:
will
there
be
sidewalks
added
on
dean
and
25th
and
I
assume
we're
crossing
dean
avenue
to
get
to
work.
AH
The
the
crossing
dean
avenue
to
get
to
work,
yes,
that
the
parking
is
intended
to
serve
that
building.
So
that
would
be
correct.
The
the
sidewalks
are
part
of
the
applicable
standards
for
chapter
135,
so
unless
they
came
back
with
a
site
plan
and
requested
waiver-
and
that
were
to
be
waived,
they
would
be
required
to
provide
those
sidewalks.
AH
B
E
G
AH
What
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
note
in
the
screen
shot
that
that
is
up
there
now
is
as
if,
if
if
they
were
to
cross
east
25th,
it
does
appear
as
though
there's
a
crossing
there
going
south
over
to
the
warehouse
property.
Now
as
we
as
we
know
how
people
work,
they'll
travel
as
a
crow
flies,
but
that
option
is
there.
G
D
M
What
we're
doing
here,
though,
is
to
say
that,
while
the
whole
neighborhood
is
of
a
is
all
houses,
we're
gonna
make
an
exception
for
this
one
chunk
to
put
in
34
parking
spaces
when
it
doesn't
appear.
The
street
parking
is
high
enough
density
to
like
not
have
places
to
park.
I
mean
people
could
park
all
over
this
area
right.
So
we're
just
saying
we're
going
to
make
an
exception
in
this
whole
neighborhood,
for
this
commercial
place
to
put
in
a
park
to
put
in
a
parking
lot.
G
Yeah,
I
don't,
I
don't
know
if
it's
an
exception,
it's
a
request
to
rezone
we're
suggesting
a
staff
that,
if
it's
limited
to
just
either
residential
uses
or
parking,
it's
for
this
use
across
the
street
that
we're
supportive
of
that
we're
not
supportive
of
any
further
commercial
development
of
its.
You
know
where
the
sites
developed
on
its
own,
but
that's
I
mean
that
is
the
applicant's
request.
We
as
staff
are
supportive
of
it,
but
I
mean
again:
this
is
our
just
our
recommendation.
G
G
L
AG
The
purpose
as
frank
covered
very
well
is:
we
are
experiencing
extreme
parking
difficulties
in
our
existing
parking
lot
as
he
went
over
when
we
did
our
extensive
renovations
to
the
building.
When
we
moved
in
several
years
ago
to
meet
the
the
changes
we
had
to
remove
quite
a
few
parking
stalls
or
several
and
as
we've
been
growing
over
the
last
several
years,
we've
experienced
construction.
So
our
goal
was
to
add
parking
across
the
street
to
avoid
having
people
parking
in
the
just
in.
E
AG
Of
the
business
and
constructing
the
flow
of
the
business
as
to
the
question
that
came
up
before
about
parking
on
dean
avenue,
I
am
not
aware
whether
or
not
it
is
legal.
I
do
know
that
there
is
I've,
never
seen
anybody
parking
on
the
side
of
the
road
on
either
side
of
the
road
on
dean
avenue.
AG
Anything
further
to
add:
we
just
are
seeking
this
in
view
of
making
it
more
safe
for
our
employees
and
having
somewhere
to
for
them
to
park,
so
that
it's
not
as
condensed
as
it
is
now
we
are
intending
on
paving
a
lot.
There
are
existing
sidewalks
on
both
east
25th
and
on
dean
avenue.
AG
The
lighting
will
be
according
to
the
requirements
as
well.
AG
Yeah,
so
we
do
have
three
shifts.
However,
the
only
time
it's
really
a
problem
for
us
is
during
first
shift
when
the
office
is
there.
So
in
the
evenings
we
have
plenty
of
spare
parking,
so
roughly
from
7am
to
4pm
is
when
the
overflow
is
going
to
be
necessary.
AG
AG
Meeting
we
had
some
concerns
come
up,
whether
we
were
going
to
be
lighting
and
whether
we're
going
to
have
security,
and
that
is
it
our.
It
is
our
intention
to
help
have
lighting
and
security
cameras
on,
and
then
we
do
have
shifts
shift
supervisors
on
site
24
hours.
So
if
anything
comes
up
during
the
evenings
or
afternoons
or
we'll,
we
intend
to
take
care
of
it.
M
A
AI
Seth,
simon
bishop
engineering,
350
104th
street
working
as
a
civil
engineer
here
with
josh
holt,
just
a
quick
comment
on
that
in
reviewing
staff
comments,
we
do
agree
and
we
look
to
and
we'll
be
looking
to
incorporate
all
their
recommendations
in
the
site
plan
moving
forward
and
also
incorporate
the
heavy
buffering.
AI
That
was
also
mentioned
there
at
the
beginning
to
provide
the
adequate
screen
and
help
kind
of
provide
some
of
that
aesthetic
look
from
the
neighboring
properties,
and
I
don't,
I
think,
staff
did
a
great
job
laying
it
out
and
we're
here
to
answer
any
questions.
Josh
any
questions
for
me.
While
I'm
up
here.
N
N
When
I
ex-guard,
I
believe,
is
the
name
of
the
business
that
they
were
saying
hold
ex-guard
is
the
name
of
the
business,
that's
on
the
building
right
across
the
street,
and
I
was
so
excited
to
see
two
bikes
parked
there,
but
they
didn't
have
racks
to
park
at
so
I
was
hoping
that
perhaps
the
applicant
would
consider
putting
bike
racks
not
only
at
their
business,
but
in
this
lot,
perhaps
to
encourage
people
to
ride
their
bike,
so
there
would
be
less
need
to
have
to
park
on
the
street.
N
As
far
as
I
could
tell,
there
are
no
parking
signs
on
the
the
south
side
of
the
street.
I
didn't
get
a
picture
of
the
north
side,
but
while
I
was
there
for
about
10
minutes,
I
found
out
why
you
wouldn't
park
on
that
street.
That
was
because
there
was
a
semi
idling
on
the
street
for
at
least
10
minutes.
I
hope
there's
somewhere
in
our
city
code.
That
does
not
allow
that,
because
this
area
has
got
to
be
an
environmental
challenge
for
people
that
live
there
and
right
in
front
of
the
house.
AG
Thank
you
for
that
carol.
We
actually
do
have
quite
a
few
biking
enthusiasts.
We
do
provide
inside
piking
parking
for
those
with
bikes,
but
I
do
believe
that
per
the
code
requirements
that
there
will
be
is
required.
At
least
one
stand
for
every
25
spaces.
We've
got
more
than
that,
so
I
believe
we'll
have
a
little
more.
AG
We
will
take
into
consideration
and
I'll
bring
it
up
with
the
owners
of
the
company
to
see
about
putting
adding
other
bike
parking,
but
due
to
safety
and
security
concerns,
we
do
allow
them
to
park
their
bikes
inside.
O
L
C
I
Jillian
summer,
again,
with
planning
staff
item,
number
17
is
in
the
for
property
in
the
vicinity
of
1415
east
38th
street.
It's
located
south
of
indianapolis
avenue
on
the
east
side
of
the
road,
and
we
we
previously
had
a
proposal
for
a
flat
for
this
property
from
the
same
applicant.
This
is
a
new
proposal.
I
I
This
is
the
grading
plan
that
shows
you
know
the
grading
of
the
area
they're,
proposing
a
retaining
wall
at
the
northeast
corner
of
the
property
that
would
encapsulate
their
drainage
basin
very
similar
to
the
previous
development
private,
or
I
guess
I
should
say
public
sanitary
and
water
services
would
be
provided
in
the
private
street
for
access
to
the
the
houses.
I
Our
engineering
staff
did
have
a
few
comments
in
regards
to
the
stormwater
proposed
design,
asking
for
a
few
additional
items
that
would
mitigate
erosion
control
concerns,
but
generally
staff
is
in
supportive
of
this
proposal.
We
are
recommending
approval
of
this
preliminary
plat
subject
to
compliance
with
all
administrative
review,
comments
and
provision
of
an
access
easement
for
road
access
and
the
emergency
vehicle
turnaround
to
the
satisfaction
of
engineering
staff.
A
AJ
Good
evening
honorable
chair
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
wally
peltz,
with
peltz
design
services,
2323
dixon
street
des
moines
iowa,
I'm
before
you
again,
with
the
revised
plan.
After
hearing
the
neighbors
have
concerns
about
the
storm
water.
I
sat
down
with
my
client
and
we
came
up
with
a
new
game
plan.
I
still
felt
that
our
previous
plan
was
good.
It
complied
with
the
code.
However,
I
convinced
my
client,
he
said
you
know
what
let's
see
what
we
can
work
out,
so
we've
shortened
the
street
there's
less
impervious.
AJ
These
are
all
the
type
b
homes
that
are
supposed
to
be
designed
on
this
per
the
zoning.
I
believe
we've
answered
every
question
the
stormwater
issues.
We
can
work
that
out
with
the
engineers
for
the
erosion,
because
I
don't
think
they
quite
understood
our
level
spreader,
but
we
can
certainly
work
that
out
with
staff
as
we
work
through
it.
We
would
ask
for
your
approval
on
a
simple
six
lock
plate.
AJ
The
lot
sizes
are
fairly
large
on
the
two
ends,
allowing
for
a
nice
development,
10
000
on
the
left,
13
on
the
right,
we're
letting
some
of
the
property
owners
use
the
detention
base
and
they'll
be
a
dry
detention
basin
as
a
part
of
their
yard,
and
it's
just
established
by
an
easement.
So
if
you
would
have
any
questions
for
me,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
them.
AJ
Yes,
it
is
so
that
creates
volumetrically
right.
So
what
we're?
What
we've
studied
is
that
there's
water
coming
from
the
south
end
water
coming
from
our
development
down
the
street,
we
did
an
extensive
research
of
how
much
water
is
coming
through
there,
so
that
forced
us
to
augment
our
previous
plan
by
adding
a
wall
sticking
out
of
the
ground
to
slow
the
water
down.
So
we
can
hold
it
the
neighbor
to
our
east.
At
this
point
who
has
complained
about
that
storm
water
at
the
last
meeting?
AJ
They
this
should
mitigate
their
issues,
because
now
we
are
taking
a
storm
that
anything
above
two
inches
gets
held
in
our
pond,
slowed
down
and
then
released
at
a
much
lower
rate.
When
we
get
a
really
big
deluge,
they
shouldn't
see
anything
like
they've
seen
in
the
past.
It's
part
of
your
stormwater
management
policy,
the
new
one
that
you've
implemented.
So
that's
what
we
built.
AJ
P
P
In
the
lot
right
here,
you
will
see
an
area
that
has
low
trees.
This
is
where
our
septic
system
sits,
and,
unfortunately,
in
this
picture
it
does
not
properly
demonstrate
the
grade
of
topography.
That's
happening
in
this
entire
block.
So
as
much
as
we
appreciate
the
effort
that
was
made,
we
rely
very
heavily
on
the
tree
coverage
of
the
entire
block
to
keep
control
over
the
water
that
is
flowing
into
this
part
of
our
property.
P
P
So
whenever
this
comes
up
for
you
you'll
see
that
in
their
nice
plan
there
is
some
trees
that
they
plan
on
removing.
It
looks
like
one
two,
three,
four
five,
approximately
ten,
but
when
this
picture
comes
up,
you'll
see
there's
a
significantly
larger
amount
of
tree
coverage
in
this
area.
We
rely
very
heavily
on
this
to
protect
this
septic
system.
It
is
the
only
system
that
we
have
going
for
us
to
maintain
this
as
much
as
we
appreciate
that
they
did
take
our
considerations
into
account
in
re-zoning
this.
P
P
P
P
This
is
all
very
soft
ground
here
and
even
at
slow
rates,
we
can
sit
at
our
backyard
and
see
the
water
drainage
there
and,
as
it
currently
stands,
it
is
a
very
cohesive,
pleasant
thing
to
environment
back
there,
this
spot
right.
Here
we
have
a
deck,
we
host
guests-
and
this
is
a
lot
closer
view
than
it
appears
my
own
dressing
room.
You
can
see
right
into
this
spot
right
here.
A
I
apologize,
but
you
have
your
five
minutes
and
just
final
thoughts.
P
M
P
M
Nope,
just
north
of
that,
so
there's
a
few
houses.
It
looks
like
you
got
basically,
five
houses,
there's
room
nope
to
the
left,
yep.
Oh
there
awesome
yep.
So
in
that
section
it
looks
like
we're
just
basically
moving
something
in
that
neighborhood
already
just
right
across
the
street,
same
thing
isn't
going
to
be
equivalent
density.
P
M
Oh
yeah,
but
I'm
meaning
so
there's
three
and
there's
two
across
the
street
we've
got
three
in
the
middle.
Looks
I
mean
again,
I
guess
we
can
look
at
the
math,
that's
the
second
one.
So
their
claim
is
that
the
runoff
is
not
going
to
be
negatively
impacting
if,
if
they
are
wrong,
what
is
the
cost
of
the
negative
impact
that
you
believe
is
there
like?
What's
the
actual?
What's
the
financial
cost
of
that
like?
What's
the
financial
burden
that
we've
been
born
if
they're
wrong
and
we're
saying
it
does
negatively
impact
the
system?
M
P
In
an
immediate
in
a
high
volume,
water
situation
that
will
back
up
into
the
septic
system
and
come
up
into
my
house,
so.
E
P
To
then
go
from
that
situation,
I
have
not
dived
into
what
the
financial
aspect
would
be
to
go
from
a
septic
system
to
city,
but
it
would
be
on
the
person
who
caused
the
change
to
be
responsible
for
that
per
iowa
law,
and
I
do
have
backing
of
the
iowa
nuisance
of
privacy
law,
of
an
unreasonable
circumstance
such
as
this
causing
negative
harm
on
another
already
established
individual.
P
M
D
M
P
You
have
to
consider
that
with
every
home
comes
vehicles,
lights,
potential
for
dogs
potential
for
their
own
ice
and
and
runoff
if
they
use
ice
on
their
driveways,
the
grade
that
they
propose
to
make
this
street
at
seven
percent-
and
it's
all
pointed
down
towards
that
retaining
wall
and
that
slow
drainage.
So
whatever
chemicals
are
used,
anything
that's
put
on
that
street,
even
if
it's
slowly
done,
is
still
going
to
be
pointed
towards
my
property
and
then
affects
the
grass
and
the
gardens
that
we're
planning
on
on
growing
there
and
anything
else.
G
AK
AL
Good
evening
my
name
is
scottie
bear
that
was
my
fiancee.
That
just
spoke.
I
lived
at
1416
east
40th,
so
that
would
be
that
whole
remaining
side
to
the
east
of
the
supposed
property.
AL
This
is
a
picture
here
of
east
38th,
the
road
that
they're
planning
on
tearing
up
to
put
in
the
sewer
way.
I
don't
see
how
you're
going
to
dig
30
feet
in
the
ground
without
tearing
up
both
sides
of
those
trees.
According
to
osha
spec,
it's
a
three
to
one
width
to
depth
ratio.
Those
walls
that
you're
looking
at
are
10
to
12
feet
tall
on
each
side.
AL
So
all
those
would
need
to
be
removed
just
to
get
the
sewer,
but
to
start
off
we
when
we
purchased
this
prod
with
this
property,
we
were
told
that
we
were
going
to
be
able
to
purchase
this
actual
land
and
we
wanted
to
do
it
to
try
to
you,
know
conserve
it
and
you
know,
bring
you
know
some
environmental
aspect
back
to
the
community.
It
is
a
very
high
concentration
of
people.
All
these
are
duplexes.
AL
So,
even
though
it
just
shows
one
house,
that's
multiple
families
that
are
living
there
and
I
assume
that's
what
they're
trying
to
do
when
this
got
rejected
the
first
time
it
was
due
to
the
drainage
issue,
the
high
population
density
and
the
cutting
of
trees.
I
don't
see
where
they've
done
anything
to
solve
those
issues.
We
went
from
seven
single
family
lots
to
six
single
household
lots,
which
leaves
plenty
of
room
for
duplexes
and
townhomes
to
be
made
since
how
they
are
considered
single
household
names
where
we
fall
off
is
the
actual
topography.
AL
That's
on
the
plan
is
not
very
conducive
to.
What's,
actually
there,
obviously
in
topography,
the
tighter
the
lines
are,
the
steeper
the
grade.
So
we're
looking
at
a
very,
very
steep.
You
know
angle
here
and
when
you
add
on
a
road
and
you
ride
on
houses,
you're,
just
the
loss
of
soil
absorption
will
add
to
the
speed
of
water
coming
down.
AL
And
if
I
were
to
draw
these
lines
across,
as
I
kind
of
have
truly,
my
hill
goes
down
towards
this
lower
basin,
where
I
do
actually
have
a
pre-existing
building
right
there,
and
I
have
my
boats
parked
down
there.
My
trailer
park
down
there
filled
with
tools
and
lots
of
insured
things
that
they
will
be
liable
for
due
to
iowa
laws.
AL
If
you
add
on
to
the
water
coming
from
dean's
house,
which
is
over
on
dubuque
to
the
south
there
and
along
38th,
which
38th
has
a
culvert
that
goes
through
dean,
hackett's
yard,
which
he's
here,
he
will
speak
all
that
drainage
goes
into
that
property.
And
if
I
show
you
here,
a
crude
topography
map
as.
AL
E
AL
These
it
is
the
low
land.
There
is
no
section
that,
within
the
property
lines
that
is
not
low
land
from
this
up
here
there,
your
retention
wall
is
literally
a
catch
for
the
rain
water
that
increased
rain
water.
That's
coming
down
onto
that
road
is
catch.
They
want
to
put
a
basin
right
here
to
catch
everything
from
beams
direct.
AM
AL
AB
AL
AL
It
starts
with
the
street
grade
normal
street
road
standards
from
the
d.o.t
are
about
three
percent
incline.
Mountain
passes
where
chains
on
trucks
are
required
is
between
five
to
six
percent
in
some
areas
to
the
west.
The
proposed
road
grade
on
this
is
seven
percent.
Seven
percent
will
increase
the
rainfall
significantly
collect
it
and
dispose
of
it
into
our
backyard.
AL
AL
Here's
the
picture
of
the
pawn
outlet
this
outflow
being
through
the
wall
into
my
yard?
They
actually
have
several
different
horns.
If
we
put
back
into
here
several
different
areas
where
those
outlets
are
conjoining
to
hear
across
through
a
pipe
going
to
another
horn
out
here
into
my
yard,
where
again
I
have
a
building
and
things
the
increased
rate
of
a
seven
percent
road
is
insane
and
will
cause
erosion.
Imagine
that
seven
percent
you're.
A
Up
you're
at
five
minutes,
so
just
any
final.
AL
Thoughts,
yeah
no
problem.
I
was
going
to
read
off
the
numerous
amounts
of
spec
from
the
sudos
codes,
which
is
what
they
are
required
to
conform
by
all
of
that
salt
brine
ice
melts.
All
of
those
things
will
run
off
into
my
yard,
and
natural
drainage
ways
must
be
used.
AL
Runoff
analysis
should
be
based
on
a
proposed
land.
It
should
take
into
consideration
all
right
from
outside
areas.
It
needs
to
be
said
that,
even
if
it
is
up
undeveloped
area,
it
needs
to
be
acted.
AL
Developed,
and
so
even
though
my
land
is
not
technically
developed
at
this
point
is
what
you'd
say
here
I
do
have
you
know,
plans
to
build
a
more
buildings
and
a
roadway,
and
things
like
that,
like
I
said
they
have
an
outlet
coming
right
here,
which
I
already
have
three
existing
something.
Okay,
thank.
M
AL
We
first
started
when
we
first
found
out
that
they
had
owned
the
property.
My
broker
had
spoken
with
them.
They
had
come
across
pretty
much.
The
number
they
gave
was
five
times
what
they
had
actually
bought
property
for.
So
we
know
that
greed
is
obviously
a
deciding
factor
in
in
this
going
through
trying
to
put
that
many
homes
in
this
small
area.
The
community
is
not
against
it.
AL
A
AK
Dean
hackett
3910
dubuque,
I'm
right
next
to
his
property,
but
on
the
south
end
of
the
broad
acres
next
to
east
38th
street.
I
have
a
bunch
of
pictures
because
I'd
like
to
show
you
the
environment,
the
topography
and
once
again,
as
he
said,
we
bought
this
to
be
in
the
country.
AK
We
have
nature
all
over
the
place.
You
know
yeah.
I
know
there
are
deer
all
over
the
the
area,
but
we
also
have
fox
come
in
and
sleep
in
the
yard
and
stuff
like
that.
We
have
eagles.
We
have
nature
and
we
have
lots
of
trees.
That's
why
they
call
it
graze
woods
and
in
the
summertime
or
when
the
leaves
are
on
the
trees.
It's
like
driving
through
tunnels.
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
This
picture
you
get
turned
around
here
once.
AK
AK
Okay,
right
now
we're
at
the
intersection
of
east
38th,
we're
looking
north
and
we're
at
the
stop
sign
for
dubuque.
This
is
dubuque
and,
on
the
right
hand,
corner
up
there.
That's
my
property.
It's
about
a
eight
to
ten
foot
drop
off
of
dubuque
into
my
property
and
there's
a
just
to
the
right.
There's
a
culvert
going
under
debut
dumping,
all
the
water
from
the
hill
that
we
came
down
on
onto
that.
You
know
through
that
culvert
onto
my
property.
AK
AK
It's
country
in
the
city
now
we're
going
down
we're
down
going
down
towards
indianapolis
and
I
showed
you
the
berm.
This
is
a
berm,
I'm
standing
in
the
road.
Looking
at
the
berm,
it's
burned
up
to
keep
the
water
flowing
on
the
road,
and
this
is
the
berm
with
all
the
trees
and
there's
some
big
trees.
I'm
going
to
show
you
in
a
moment
that
are
it's
going
to
have
to
be
cut
through
and
carved
totally
out
for
this
development.
A
Sir
you're,
at
five
minutes,
so
if
you
just
want
to
any
final
thoughts
here,.
AK
Q
AN
This
plan
was
a
good
idea
for
them.
I
think
when
it
all
started,
and
they
thought
that
they
were
gonna
purchase
this
land
here
that
my
friend
scottie
has.
AN
AN
Through
is
what
they
were.
Their
plan
was
to
run
it
from
here
to
here
straight
through
his
property
and
have
homes
all
along
here.
Well,
the
thing
is
is
that
they
have
to
account
for
the
drainage
somehow
and
dumping
all
that
water
onto
his
land
is
gonna
completely
wash
everything
on
the
hill
away
at
a
seven
percent
grade,
I'm
on
a
sewer
crew.
I
do
this
every
day
for
a
living.
AO
Hi,
my
name
is
paul
berenson.
I
live
at
3840
right
here,
indianapolis
I
just
I
mean
I
guess,
there's
not
much
to
say
just
that.
It's
not
really
a
good
idea
for
a
lot
of
the
reasons,
there's
some
quite
detailed
reasons
from
some
of
the
other
people,
and
I
think
what
I'll
just
say
is
you
know
I
think
you
talked
about
how
over
here
it
looks
like
you
know,
you
described
it
as
being
houses
here.
AO
AO
I
don't
think
that
the
plan
is
going
to
work
and
I
think
that's
just
basically
kind
of
the
the
gist
of
it.
It's
just
it's
not
going
to
work
and
I
don't
think
it
would
be
good
for
the
neighborhood
me
and
my
family.
We've
recently
moved
in
we've
been
there
over
a
year
now
and
we
do
enjoy
the
neighborhood
as
it
is,
and
not
to
say
that
we're
not
open
to
the
fact
that,
even
nationally
even
internationally,
there
are
housing
crisis
going
on
people
need
places
to
live,
and
everything
like
that.
AO
AO
AO
You
know,
especially
since
so
much
of
the
land
has
been
really
harmed,
probably
in
ways
and
I
think
going
forward
in
the
future.
AO
This
type
of
thing
just
isn't
going
to
make
sense.
We're
going
to
really
have
to
think
about.
You
know
permeability,
you
know
the
pavement
how
much
water
is
getting
in.
You
know.
Iowa
has
a
lot
of
water
iowa,
but
that's
not
for
sure.
That's
not
a
certain
thing
and
we
may
be
sitting
on
this
giant
aquifer
and
everything.
But
you
know
I
don't
know
nothing's
for
certain,
so
water
quality
salinity
issues,
things
like
that.
You
know
it's
gonna
happen
and
I
think,
maybe
going
forward
in
the
future.
AO
AM
A
Right
here,
if
you
want
to
pull
the
speaker
down
a
little,
I
think
it's
a
little
hard
to
hear
there
you
go,
shall
I
repeat
what
I
said?
No,
I
think
you're
good,
but
thank
you.
AM
AM
The
nature
of
the
grace
woods
neighborhood
is
large
wooded
lots
with
single-family
homes,
except
for
the
duplexes
that
the
city
built
that
the
city
of
des
moines
built
the
broad
acres
subdivision
of
gray's.
Woods
was
all
graveled
roads
until
the
city
paved
indianapolis
and
the
1400
block
of
east
40th
street
in
the
mid
60s,
the
rest
of
the
roads
remained
gravel
until
public's
work
director
at
the
time
bill,
stowe
found
the
funding
to
put
in
a
thin
layer
of
asphalt
on
all
the
gravel
streets.
AM
AM
Computer.
Please
understand
this.
Proposed
development
comes
off
of
east
38th
street
between
dubuque
and
indianapolis.
This
section
of
east
38th
street
has
a
thin
layer
of
asphalt
that
is
falling
apart.
The
proposed
development
will
run
downhill
from
east
38th
street
and
be
surrounded
by
private
property.
AM
AM
Is
the
siding
plastic
or
wood?
What
is
the
plan
to
address
the
watershed
on
this
extremely
hilly?
Property?
Are
septic
systems
being
considered
this?
It's
my
understanding
that
the
city
does
not
approve
of
septic
systems
for
new
housing.
Why
wasn't
the
proposed
development
brought
before
the
grace
woods,
neighborhood
association?
AM
AM
D
AM
AP
AP
AP
AP
He
said
he
took
a
lot
of
heat
from
rick
clark,
the
city
manager.
Then
this
building's
named
after
he
wanted
to
go
in
there
and
put
this
interim
paving
in
there,
which
he
did.
He
found
the
funding
for
it.
The
only
other
one,
that's
taken
this
plan,
serious
was
real
estate
and
there
they've
been
down
in
the
four
mile
flood
area
buying
out
houses.
AP
AP
It
says
in
here
that
the
city
is
supposed
to
be
going
through
resurfacing,
these
streets,
putting
in
sewers
and
everything
else.
While
I
was
on
the
council,
I
asked
to
do
that
and
rick
clark.
The
city
manager
had
staff,
do
a
study
on
it.
They
came
back
and
they
were
opposed
to
doing
it.
The
same
plan
that
they
put
together.
AP
AH
D
AP
AP
I
think
it's
time
we
back
up
on
this
and
the
city
needs
to
put
together
a
plan
for
putting
in
the
underground
utilities
and
getting
the
streets
in
the
way
they
are,
and
I
will
tell
you
that
bef
while
I
was
still
on
the
council
city
staff
was
saying:
well,
we
don't
need
to
put
in
storm
sewers.
Let's
just
have
ditches
in
there.
AP
D
AP
City
came
in
there,
and
this
was
previous
to
me,
being
on
the
council
and
bitter,
but
built
a
bunch
of
duplexes.
They
decided
they
shouldn't
be
in
the
duplex
business.
They
sold
them
off,
they've
all
turned
into
rentals
and
I'm
sorry,
we
see
what
happens
with
these
rentals
around
the
city.
We've
even
got
one
neighborhood,
that's
got
more
than
50
percent
rentals,
and
this
is
why
people
are
moving
out
of
des
moines.
AP
M
AP
Well,
this
plant
came
up
after
all
those
were
built,
but
I
will
tell
you:
there
were
duplexes
built
at
east
27th
and
douglas,
and
the
douglas
acres
neighborhood
really
raised
cane
about
that,
and
because
of
this
and
douglas
acres,
unless
it's
changed,
you
can't
build
a
duplex
without
the
neighborhood
approval
and
this
land
or
the
land
use
plan.
And
these
this
neighborhood
action
plan
calls
for
single
family
homes
and
I
will
say,
on
east
33rd,
I
think
it's
just
north
of
kinsey
and
on
on
kinsey.
There
were
some
duplexes
built
by
the
city.
M
AP
Problems
that
would
all
be
downstream,
and
I
will
say
I'd
like
to
touch
on
this.
A
little
bit
he's
38
upstream
from
this
development
is
a
big
watershed
that
comes
to
one
location.
They
were
talking
about,
there's
a
culvert
that
runs
under
there
into
the
gentleman's
property
I
have
went
by
there
when
we're
under
hard
rain,
and
it's
actually
running
across
these
38
into
the
property.
The
area
that
they're
talking
about
developing.
Q
AP
AP
A
AP
A
Any
other
speakers
in
the
audience
I
think
everyone's
spoken,
so
there
couldn't
possibly
be
oh
okay,.
K
K
So
I
my
opinion
is
the
density
they
are
proposing
is
just
cannot
be
here.
It's
the
density
is
it's
like
so
different
from
what
we
have
around.
So
it's
not
a
it's,
not
appropriate.
It's
not
appropriate
density
for
this.
D
A
Does
the
applicant
want
to
come
up
and
speak
to
some
of
the
questions
that
were
posed?
You
have
five
minutes.
G
Why
wally
is
getting
into
the
podium?
I
do
want
to
clarify
that
the
zoning
for
the
site
for
the
property
today
and
as
proposed
to
continue
forward
allows
single-family
development.
So
that's
not
being
changed
the
request.
So
this
you
know
be
six
single-family
lots
and
then
also
the
density
is
allowed
by
the
land
use
plan,
which
is
low
density
residential,
which
allows
up
to
six
units
an
acre.
I
think
this
would
come
in
at
about
a
little
under
four
four
units,
an
acre
so.
AJ
Honorable
chair
members
of
the
commission,
briefly
I'll,
go
through
it.
First
of
all,
my
client's
willing
to
put
in
the
restrictive
covenants
that
this
could
be
single
family.
Only
that's
what
his
intent
is.
That's
what
the
intent
of
this
area
is.
He
wants
to
build
a
subdivision
where
people
can
build
single
family
homes
and
enjoy
the
area
as
well.
AJ
I
concur
that
it
is
a
low
density
per
year
code.
We
have
followed
that
code
and
identified
it
at
six
slots.
We're
actually
at
3.4.
Four
units
per
acre
code
says
six
that
seven
percent
grade
that
has
been
mentioned.
To
give
you
a
visual
picture,
a
handicap
ramp
can
be
one
and
twelve,
which
is
8.33
grade.
We
don't
seem
to
have
troubles
navigating
those.
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
I
am
a
licensed
professional
engineer
and
I'm
a
licensed
professional
surveyor
and
when
we're
told
that
we're
breaking
the
law,
that
is
something
that
we
take
mind
to
because
we
represent
it.
We
stamp
it.
It
becomes
a
public
document.
So
with
those
things
stated,
we
would
ask
that
you
approve
this
plat.
We
thought
we
put
a
best
effort
to
come
back
and
address
it.
Four
mile
creek,
as
you
know,
all
those
regional
detention
basin
areas,
that's
what
this
is
modeled
after
you
have
water
that
runs
in.
I
have
to
address
it.
AJ
AJ
Q
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
You
know
it
complies
with
code,
complies
with
134
all
the
codes
that
I
have
to
follow
to
make
it
compliant
we're
compliant
with
lot
size,
we're
compliant
with
everything
that
you've
asked
us
to
do
and
with
the
term
of
how
construction
is
right
now
any
delay
I
mean
right
now.
I
can't
get
sewer
and
pipe
until
august
right,
if
I,
if
I
got
this
approved
today,
that's
that's
when
my
products
are
coming
in,
which
then
costs
my
client
another
season.
So
I'm
not
saying
we
won't
go
meet
with
them.
AJ
I'm
sure
we're
more
than
happy
to
go,
sit
down
with
them
and
see
hey.
How
can
we
make
it
better
right,
but
I'm
the
part
we're
asking
for,
I
believe,
is
all
compliant
it's
per
code
and
we're
agreeing
to
work
with
the
engineering
staff
from
the
any
kind
of
input
they
have
on
that
stormwater
runoff
so,
but-
and
I,
like
I
said-
we'd-
be
happy
to
sit
down
with
them,
but
I'd
like
to
keep
this
process
moving
forward,
because
this
is
step
one
then
I
got
to
do
my
construction
documents.
AJ
I
got
to
do
a
three-party
contract
because
we're
building
public
sewer,
bringing
public
water
up
the
street
wide
right
away,
improving
that
area
and
all
of
that
takes
time,
have
to
get
a
three-party
contract
through
council,
which
is
a
60-day
process
plus
minus
there's
lots
of
steps
to
go.
M
Can
I
confirm
a
few
things
so
first,
because
I
I
pulled
up
the
document
that
skip
was
referencing,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
confirming
that
this
actually
does
comply
with
skip's
plan.
So
skip
said,
this
is
a
plan
you're
complying
with
that
plan.
Or
do
you
see
any
indication
that
your
non-compliance
skips
plan.
AJ
M
Second
clarification:
there
was
a
concern
that
there
wasn't
enough
investment
in
this
area
for
the
things
like
the
sewer
and
other
things
that
you
guys
are
actually
putting
in
right.
So
if
we
don't
put
your
project
in,
that
means
we
delay
further
development
and
all
the
sewer
that
skip
is
asking
for
isn't
coming
in
is
that
right
I
mean
you're.
AJ
M
M
AJ
T
It
I
I
appreciate
all
the
comments
from
neighbors
and
it's
compelling,
but
I
think
it
was
made
clear
that
the
applicant
is
in
compliance
with
the
the
ordinances
and
codes
and
has
done
their
due
diligence
as
a
sort
of
side.
Note,
I'm
surprised
that
the
pro
forma
for
this
development
supports
that
level
of
investment,
but
that's
not
our
charge
here.
So
I'm
going
to
support
this
I'm
going
to
support
this.
T
Q
I
would
like
to
make
comment,
not
emotion.
I
am
in
agreement.
I
think
that
the
developer
has
shown
that
they're
willing
to
compromise
with
things
they
first
originally
came
to
us
with
a
proposal
that
was
seven
houses.
J
D
A
S
You
I
have
one
question
please
this:
this
has
to
do
with
staff
reports,
and
I've
noticed
the
last
two
times.
We've
been
here
that
the
air
that
the
aerial
views
that
were
introduced-
oh,
I
think,
last
year,
at
the
end
of
the
year
in
december,
sometime
or
another,
have
not
been
appearing
in
the
in
the
staff
reports
and
the
hard
copies,
and
I
personally
find
them
to
be
very
useful
in
terms
of
orienting
myself
to
where
the
property
that
is
under
consideration
is
located
within
the
context
of
the
neighborhood.
S
In
paper,
contact,
or
would
that
just
be.
S
G
R
G
Make
sure
that
the
maps
are
included.
I
don't
know
that
it's
going
to
follow
the
same
format.
We
that
was
called
an
agenda
page
and
it
was
more
more
work
than
what
was
getting
out
of
it,
because
that.
G
R
B
A
Oh,
we
do
meet
over
spring
break,
don't
we.