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From YouTube: 5-5-22 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, May 5, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
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E
Before
we
turn
it
over
to
nick
with
our
finance
department
to
kind
of
walk
us
through
this
presentation,
I
did
want
to
just
take
a
moment
to
to
kind
of
reflect
with
the
commission
that
you
know
over
the
past
six
to
nine
months
or
so.
E
We've
had
a
lot
of
discussion
about
urban
renewal
plans
and
tiff
and
the
commission's
rule
and
those
processes,
just
as
refresher
urban
renewal
plans,
come
before
the
commission
for
a
recommendation
that
goes
on
to
the
city
council
as
to
if
they
conform
or
are
furthering
the
goals
of
planned
dsm,
which
is
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
E
The
renewal
plan
is,
you
know,
is
the
foundation
for
what
allows
the
city
to
use
tif
financing,
which
is
used
for
economic
development
purposes,
often
that
is
outside
of
kind
of
what
we
normally
see
in
our
day-to-day
at
the
commission
level,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
us,
as
just
being
a
part
of
the
city
kind
of
understand
how
we
fit
into
the
bigger
process
kind
of
have
a
understanding
of
how
does
the
city
use
these
programs?
E
Currently,
we
only
have
30
minutes
today,
so
we're
going
to
be
really
on
point,
and
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
you
know
given
our
role,
but
also
the
time
limitations.
We're
really
today
here
to
get
us
all
on
kind
of
a
level
playing
field
as
to
what
does
the
city
do
currently
with
our
programs
and
then
answer
the
questions,
the
best
that
we
can
given
the
time
that
we
have
so
with
that,
I'm
happy
to
turn
it
over
to
nick.
F
Thank
you
just
to
kind
of
give
you
a
quick
introduction
on
myself.
I've
been
with
the
city
for
about
five
years
now
I've
been
in
about
four
different
roles
with
the
city
so
far
in
that
five
years.
Prior
to
that,
I
actually
worked
at
the
city
of
iowa
city
for
about
10
and
then
worked
at
the
state
auditor's
office
prior
to
that,
so
I've
kind
of
worked
in
in
government
accounting
for
for
my
career
and
so
going
into
this.
F
I
kind
of
wanted
to
highlight
of
the
whole
process,
as
we
were
talking
about
tax
increment
financing,
the
tiff,
as
as
it's
referred
to,
I
kind
of
wanted
to
to
go
through
this
presentation
and
then
we'll
kind
of
go
back
to
any
of
the
slides
if
any
questions
at
the
end.
So
if
you
take
notice
of
which,
which
slide
you
want
to
go
back
to
we'll
we'll,
go
back
and
highlight
those
a
lot
of
this
information
kind
of
stacks
on
top
of
each
other.
F
To
give
you
guys
the
the
idea
of
this
powerful
tool
that
the
city
uses
that
it
uses
to
be
able
to
you,
know,
reduce
blight
and
stabilize
the
tax
base
and
actually
and
do
a
lot
of
different
things
and
encourage
the
equitable
housing
opportunities,
as
well
as
enhance
those
sustainable
developments
as
well
here
in
the
city
and
further.
F
What
we
want
to
do
with
the
from
the
plan
dsm
standpoint
tiff
as
it
as
it
sits,
is
actually
a
a
smaller
component
to
a
broader
topic,
which
is
urban
renewal
and
so
to
actually
get
into
the
tiff
information.
We
need
to
take
a
step
back
and
actually
talk
about
urban
renewal.
F
Urban
renewals
allowed
through
iowa
code
as
a
broad
concept
and
method
of
improving
the
economic
development
for
not
just
cities,
but
also
counties
can
do
urban
renewal
law
as
well
from
that
you
have
to
create,
what's
called
as
an
urban
renewal
area
and
those
are
created
by
urban
renewal
plans.
Now
those
plans,
as
you
guys
have
seen,
come
across
this
commission
there's
a
lot
of
information
in
there
into
those
plans.
I
highlighted
some
of
the
big
components:
components
of
it,
which
is
the
you
know.
A
F
Also
has
to
contain
all
of
the
projects
that
that
can
be
done
to
try
and
address
those
goals
and
objectives
within
that
plan.
Once
the
urban
renewal
plan
is
approved
at
council,
it's
active
which
then
allows
the
ability
to
move
forward
with
the
tif
process
as
well
from
a
timeline
for
the
urban
renewal
plans.
F
What
happens
is
usually
the
first
steps
is
the
staff
at
the
city,
researchers
and
documents,
those
area
boundaries,
as
well
as
existing
property
conditions,
to
be
able
to
talk
about
whether
it's
summer
slum
blight
or
if
it's
really
an
economic
development
type
of
urban
renewal.
F
If
there's
a
project
that
is
moving
forward,
that
is
not
listed
in
the
urban
renewal
plan,
it
cannot
be
incorporated
as
part
of
the
tif
process
or
used
for
funds
within
the
the
tax
increment
financing
staff
goes
and
engages
with
the
neighborhoods
in
public
to
get
feedback
and
and
know
what
the
goals
objectives
and
and
the
different
boundaries
that
should
be
put
in
place
for
these
urban
renewal
plans.
F
Staff
also
does
what's
called
a
consultation
meeting
with
all
of
the
other
taxing
entities
that
are
affected
by
the
urban
renewal
and
tif
districts,
so
that
would
be
for
for
us,
our
main
taxing
entities
that
we
work
with
is
obviously
the
the
school
district.
The
county
community,
the
community
colleges
and
broadlawns
is
is
another
one
as
well,
so
we
actually
have
meetings
that
there
that
we
have
them
invited
to
to
kind
of
talk
about
what
what
we're
looking
at
for
the
urban
renewal
plans
and
how
it
might
affect
them
in
the
future.
F
One
key
thing
would
be
if
there's
a
lot
of
housing
that
we're
anticipating
with
the
urban
renewal
area
that
would
affect
enrollment
for
the
public
schools,
so
they
kind
of
can
then
plan
accordingly
with
what
we're
seeing
and
what
we're
trying
to
utilize
within
the
urban
renewal
law.
F
Obviously,
then,
it
also
goes
to
planning
and
zoning
commission
here,
as
well
as
urban
design
review
board
for
approval
before
it
goes
to
the
council
for
the
public
hearing
on
that
plan
to
move
that
along
the
process
as
things
progress
in
a
particular
urban
renewal
plan
or
an
urban
renewal
area.
Obviously,
amendments
have
to
come
into
play
because
projects
will
change
and
different
things
has
to
happen.
F
Staff
usually
amends
those
annually
on
an
annual
basis,
but
as
an
example,
metro
center
is
one
where
there's
a
lot
of
activity.
That
kind
of
happens
in
the
urban
in
that
urban
renewal
and
that's
usually
done
twice
a
year
that
kind
of
correlates,
with
kind
of
our
our
budgeting
process
and
our
what
I'll
get
into
further
is
the
the
the
tif
certification
and
annual
urban
renewal
report
that
we
have
to
do
every
year
too.
So
it
kind
of
correlates
with
with
the
budget
and
what's
required
by
state
for
submission
to
them.
F
F
That's
kind
of
an
overall
broad
discussion
of
the
urban
renewal
areas
and
the
plans
that
create
those
I'll
kind
of
get
into
the
the
next
level.
Where
we're
talking
about
those
the
tiff
areas
of
the
tif
ordinance.
Okay
from
that,
once
that
urban
renewal
area
is
established,
a
tif
ordinance
must
be
put
together
and
allow
for
the
flow
of
the
increment
to
the
taxing
entities.
So
you
have
to
have
the
urban
reveal
created,
you
might
have
the
urban
real
created
well
before
a
tif
district
or
tif
ordinance
is
passed
for
that
particular
area.
F
For
example
on
that
is
there's
we
have
a
couple
of
those
here
currently
in
the
city.
I
believe
it's
north
east
hubble
is
one
where
we
have
the
urban
renewal
plan
in
place,
but
there
was
no.
There
has
not
been
a
tiff
ordinance
or
tif
being
a
debt
being
certified
on
that
area
and
then
also
there
is
multiple
tif
areas
that
can
be
created
within
in
an
urban
renewal
area.
F
So
if
you
have
a
a
tif
area
within
an
urban
renewal
area
that
the
the
increment
that
is
created
within
that
tiff
area
can
be
used
for
the
entire
urban
renewal
area
or
that
plan
so
we'll
see
that
I've
got
a
map
on
a
later
slide.
That
kind
of
I
can
show
at
least
one
example
from
the
smaller
sized
maps
that
are
on
on
the
slide,
show
where
you
can
see
where
a
couple
of
those
are
within
the
city.
F
Now
tiff
areas
actually
have
sunsets
in
place.
Some
and
blight
are
similar
defined
as
in
the
urban
renewal
areas
and
those
are
until
they're
in
perpetuity
until
the
the
tiff
has
achieved
the
plan's
goals,
and
so
with
that,
it's
it's
not
statutorily.
It's
when
when
those
goals
are
are
achieved,
does
not
mean
that
the
increment
will
be
used
by
the
taxing
district.
It's
just
it's
available
to
be
used.
F
The
economic
development
type
of
tiff
is
actually
restricted
to
up
to
20
years
after
the
first
year
of
certifying
a
debt,
so
that
is
the
21
years,
and
the
clock
starts
once
that
debt
is
certified
with
the
with
the
state
and
the
county
and,
like
I
said,
I'll
kind
of
talk
about
that
process
in
a
a
future
slide.
F
So
for
those
that,
like
visual,
for
how
to
functions,
I've
got
two
different
sides,
one
language
and
one
as
a
as
a
visual.
So
I'm
going
to
kind
of
overall
talk
about
the
visual
slide.
First,
whenever
we're
talking
about
tiff
or
tax
increment
financing,
the
way
that
that
this
works
is
when
the
tif
begins
there
is
what's
considered
a
frozen
base.
Whenever
a
debt
is
created,
it
creates
that
frozen
base.
F
So
whatever
the
value
is
at
that
time,
all
of
the
taxing
entities
are
going
to
continue
to
receive
their
their
tax
rates
on
that
frozen
base,
as
if
nothing
had
changed.
So
if
there's
a
a
project
that
comes
into
play
thereafter,
that
that
brings
the
value
above
what
that
frozen
base
is
that's,
what's
called
the
increment
that
is
generated
that
can
be
used
for
tiff.
F
One
thing
that
I
kind
of
adapted
this
this
chart
from
from
information
that
that
comes
from
the
state.
One
thing
that
I
altered
on
this
was
that
green
area
that
protected
levies
that
I
wanted
to
address
and
talk
about
a
little
bit
further,
even
though
you
do
have
that
frozen
base,
and
you
have
the
increment
that
is
available
for
tax
increment
financing.
F
F
One
component
of
our
tax
rate
is
our
debt
service
fund.
Our
debt
service
fund
is
2.96
of
that
16.61.
That
is
what's
our
protected
levy.
So,
no
matter
what
gets
pulled
into
the
increment,
we
still
get
that
value
for
those
protected
levees,
so
the
county
and
the
school
have
protected
levees
as
well.
So,
even
though
increment
is
used
for
a
particular
project
and
we'll
get
into
some
of
the
projects
that
that
the
city
uses
them
for
that,
protected
levee
still
gets
to
the
city,
county
and
schools
on
that
extra
value.
F
So
they
technically
get
a
little
bit
more
than
the
frozen
base
during
that
that
time
and
then
after
the
tiff
ends
or
the
increment
is
not
being
used
by
the
the
taxing
entity
it
is
is
released.
This
chart
does
show
a
100
utilization
over
that
course
of
the
increment
and
then
is
released
so
I'll
get
into
best
practices
or
how
the
city's
policy
plays
of
how
much
increment
the
city
uses.
F
But
this
assumes
a
hundred
percent
utilization
of
increment.
So
this,
if,
if
you
don't
use
all
of
increment,
it's
as
if
that
frozen
base
moves
up,
if
you
aren't
using
all
of
it.
So
when
the
tif
ends
or
is
no
longer
being
used,
then
all
of
the
taxing
entities
get
to
see
that
full
value
in
play,
that's
not
being
diverted
to
the
the
taxing
entity
for
the
increment
again.
This
is
for
those
that
are
more
of
the
the
words
versus
the
chart.
F
It
kind
of,
in
a
nutshell,
tells
you
the
same
type
of
information
that
I
talked
about
on
that
prior
slide.
That's
in
that
chart
where
you
you've
created
that
frozen
base,
and
then
any
increment
is
then
diverted
to
that
to
that
taxing
authority,
except
for
the
non-protected.
F
To
kind
of
give
you
an
example
of
what
we
have
currently
for
urban
renewal
areas,
this
is
a
list
of
the
urban
renewal
areas,
as
submitted
to
the
state
the
this
last
certification
round
that
we
had
december
1st
of
2021.
F
So
we've
had
these
were
the
list
of
the
ones
that
we
had
submitted
and
the
council
had
passed
the
certifications
and
what
we
have
on
an
annual
urban
renewal
port.
That's
that's
repo
reported
to
the
state
as
well.
F
This
is,
I
know,
a
little
bit
hard
to
see
it
on
the
screen,
but
this
is
two
different
maps
that
we
have
for
within
des
moines.
That,
on
the
left
is
the
urban
renewal
area
boundaries
that
we
have
and
then
to
the
right
on
the
pink
side
is,
is
the
tif
districts,
as
you
can
see,
most
of
our
urban
renewal
area
and
tiff
districts
match
a
good
example.
F
Obviously,
all
the
way
at
the
south
you've
got
the
south
side,
one
where
it's
that
nice
rectangle,
that
is
identical
from
both
the
urban
renewal
area,
as
is
in
the
tiff.
Now,
if
you
look
at
the
right
straight
above
south
side,
all
the
way
near
the
top,
there
is
a
oak
oak
park
highland
park
urban
renewal
area.
You
can
kind
of
see
that
area
area
in
the
blue
on
the
left
side,
but
you
really
only
see
a
little
small
pink
on
the
right.
F
Some
examples
of
of
projects
that
that
can
be
funded
through
increment
is
infrastructure
improvements,
that's
mainly
from
from
the
state
standpoint
and
I'll
kind
of
get
in
a
little
bit
more
of
what
those
kind
of
mean
from
the
city,
standpoint,
loans
and
grants
for
improvements.
That's
usually
the
development
agreements
that
you
guys
see
that
go
through
the
urban
renewal
plans
and
then
land
or
building
acquisitions
and
remodeling
as
well.
F
Projects
must
be
funded
by
an
issuance
of
debt
or
an
undertaking
of
an
obligation
through
an
agreement,
or
usually
with
issuance
of
debt
for
infrastructure
projects
that
the
city
does.
Those
are
actually
issuing
general
obligation
debt.
That's
then
paid
by
the
the
tax
increment
financing.
F
So,
to
give
you
an
example
of
a
pretty
encompassing
list
of
city
projects
that
we
that
we
can
and
have
used
increment,
for
we
do
that
for
streets,
repairs,
new
construction
utilities,
public
facilities,
parking
system,
bridges
and
civil
and
recreational
products
within
the
urban
renewal
areas
and
again,
usually
that's
be
through
an
issuance
of
obligation,
debt
and
then
that
debt
is
paid
off
by
by
the
financing
that
is
generated
by
the
increment
for
economic
development
projects.
Those
are
intended
to
to
identify
city-wide
goals.
F
Community
revitalization
increase
tax
evaluation
because,
like
I
said
that
chart
that
I
showed
you,
it
shows
the
intention
of
how
that
increment
is
supposed
to
be
used
and
then
released
so
as
well
as
retaining
jobs
and
growing
employee
employment
based
as
well
as
addressing
slum
and
bite
in
different
areas
of
the
city.
There
is
a
negotiation
that
happens
between
city
staff
and
the
developers
with
a
strong
focus
on
that
gap.
Financing
that
needs
to
be
coming
into
play
now.
F
Of
information,
I'm
trying
to
also
give
you
guys
an
example
to
try
and
read
through
as
you're
able
to
kind
of
look
at
this,
and
what
does
it
mean
from
this?
I
tried
to
put
a
project
example
together,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
an
example
on
paper.
So
if
you
have
a
project
that
has
a
base
currently
at
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
the
project
that
you
gets
completed
actually
now
has
a
assumed
base,
that's
going
to
grow
that
up
to
three
hundred
000.
F
F
F
That
would
be
going
towards
the
city,
county
and
and
and
the
schools.
Okay
again,
this
is
just
a
kind
of
example,
so
you
can
kind
of
read
through
and
based
off
the
chart
that
I
talked
about
this
kind
of
shows.
You
numbers
that
that
would
actually
deal
with
a
specific
project.
This
is
just
an
example
that
tried
to
make
it
easily
visual
aid
to
how
a
project
would
look.
F
As
I
said
before,
staff
is
required
every
year
to
do
tif,
certifications
at
december
1.
that
has
to
be
put
into
place
for
every
tif
district.
You
know,
as
I,
as
I
told
you
before,
we
had
that
laundry
list
of
urban
renewal
areas
that
we
had.
We
submit
tif
certifications
to
the
county
and
the
state
every
year
on
those
as
well
as
if
any
new
ones
come
into
play
and
and
then
they'll
take
come
off
if
they,
if
we,
if
they
are
removed.
F
It
basically,
we
review
the
finance
department,
reviews
with
development
services
staff,
all
of
the
different
tif
districts
and
determining
what
upcoming
payments
are
going
to
have
to
happen
for
the
next
fiscal
year.
So
the
tif
certifications
is
kind
of
a
future.
F
Looking
approach
of
what
we
anticipate
going
through
and
needing
to
be
paid
in
that
next
fiscal
year,
they
must
be
certified.
Ineligible
ineligible
cost
to
be
certified
for
that
following
year,
and
so
it
has
to
be
again,
a
project
has
to
be
within
the
urban
renewal
to
be
able
to
be
funded
in
that
we'll
address
questions
at
the
end.
If
you
have
a
question,
okay,
the
other
report
that
we
have
to
submit
to
the
state
every
year
at
december,
1st
is
is,
what's
called
an
annual
urban
renewal
report.
F
F
So
this
past
december,
we
were
certifying
for
fiscal
year
23
and
we
were
doing
an
urban
renewal
report
for
fiscal
year
21
because
we
were
in
fiscal
year
22,
so
we're
kind
of
dealing
with
two
different
worlds
in
the
having
to
report
to
the
state
every
december
1st,
and
when
we
take
these
to
council,
we
take
them
both
certifications
and
the
urban
annual
urban
renewal
report,
at
that
same
time
in
november
to
the
council
for
approval.
F
So
from
that,
there
was
there's
an
established
tif
policy
that
we
that
we
go
through
that
kind
of
incorporates
some
best
practices.
That
was
in
conjunction
with
the
development
development
services
staff
that
that
put
that
together,
the
they
look
through
making
sure
projects
meet
the
the
good
public
policy
practice,
they're,
looking
at
the
financial
gap
or
job
retention
or
expansion,
and
they
also
are
looking
for
at
the
assistance
to
being
at
or
below
that
15
total
financing
project
generated
structure
on
building
value
increment
is
strongly
preferred.
F
What
that
means
is
they're
only
really
looking
at
the
improvements
that
are
done
and
not
necessarily
the
land
that's
already
in
place.
We
also
internally
for
staff.
We
have
a
what's
called
a
debt
review
committee
there,
it's
one
that
is
currently
has
the
deputy
city
manager,
matt
anderson,
as
well
as
three
different
people
from
the
finance
department
myself.
F
One
of
my
deputy
finance
directors
and
a
budget
analyst
as
well
is
on
the
debt
review
committee
that
anytime,
a
development
agreement
is
coming
up,
is,
is
going
through
the
negotiations
and
they're,
seeing
any
non-project
generated,
diff
or
they're
exceeding
that
15
years
or
75
percent.
It's
actually
brought
to
that
debt
review
committee
to
can
take
in
consideration,
if
that's
worth
the
the
public.
F
The
good
public
policy
criteria
that
it's
worth
going
beyond
that
15
year,
75
percent
and
no
project
generated
tiff,
so
some
other
tiff
policies
or
best
practices.
They
must
not
be
in
a
breach
of
any
existing
development
agreements
or
in
violation
of
any
municipal
code
or
any
delinquent
debt
has
owed
to
the
city
or
have
delinquent
property
taxes
as
well
before
before
they
can
go
forward
with
any
any
development
agreement.
F
They
work
through
that
in
the
development
agreements
of
of
housing
to
try
and
get
a
good
mix
of
affordability
and
mix
of
unit
types
as
well
as
well,
as
you
know,
mid-american
energy,
commercial,
new
construction
programs
and
trying
to
get
that
sustainable
products
used
and
keeping
that
in
mind
when,
when
they're
dealing
with
projects
with
development
agreements
from
a
tif
policy
as
well,
the
council
has
has
a
utilization
policy
that
they
have
for
tiff.
F
F
The
city
has
a
policy
that
we
will
not
use
100
percent
of
of
the
the
increment
available
city
wide,
but
you
can
kind
of
see
that
some
districts
are
over
that
75,
but
in
total
that's
what
the
policy
is
focused
on,
as
you
can
see,
metro
center
obviously
is
the
largest
component
of
the
of
the
utilization
part
or
the
amount
of
increment
that
is
available.
F
So
the
total
valuation
that
is
available
for
tiff
in
the
city
of
des
moines
is
just
under
2.6
billion,
and
the
amount
of
increment
available
within
metro
center
is
is
1.9.
So
you
can
kind
of
see
that
that
is
the
the
gorilla
in
the
room
for
for
increment.
That
is
available,
so,
but
every
dollar
that
is
utilized
in
increment.
It
cannot
be
used
for,
like.
F
I
wanted
to
put
something
visual
in
here
for
you
guys
to
see
as
well
from
the
75
policy
versus
the
increment
used
on
all
of
the
urban
renewal
areas
and
the
tif
districts
that
we
have
within
the
city.
This
is
showing,
from
fiscal
year
13
through
fiscal
year
22,
so
the
current
fiscal
year
that
we're
sitting
in
where
we
are
currently
for
our
utilization.
We
were
up
in
the
60s.
F
This
might
give
a
little
bit
too
much
detail
that
you
may
or
may
not
want,
but
one
thing
we're
seeing
we're
having
to
pull
a
little
bit
more
in
23,
because
the
tax
rate
actually
decreased
from
22
to
23
because
of
shifting
in
decreasing
in
in
tax
rates,
as
well
as
things
being
shifted
from
non-protected
to
protected
levees.
F
So
a
good
example
is
from
fiscal
year
22
to
fiscal
year,
20
fiscal
year,
21
to
fiscal
year
22
there
there
was
a
change
in
the
school
property
tax
rate
that
went
down
quite
a
bit
and
they
also
shifted
some
of
their
levy
from
non-protected
to
protect
it
so
that
actually
dropped
the
tif
tax
rate
in
des
moines,
from
about
40
down
to
37
and
some
odd
cents.
F
So
it
was
a
drastic
change
for
the
tif
tax
rate
between
the
two
years
and
there's
a
timing
issue
there
that
we
have
to
kind
of
increase
that
in
the
next
year
to
kind
of
recoup
some
of
those
costs
that
we
intended
on
being
able
to
spend.
Another
slide.
I
want
to
talk
about
on
the
utilization
is
kind
of
showing
the
fiscal
year
14
through
fiscal
year,
22
of
how
much
increment
was
available
in
those
fiscal
years
and
how
much
is
utilized.
F
So
from
this
standpoint,
you
can
see
in
fiscal
year
14
we
had
just
over
a
billion
dollars
of
increment
total
available,
not
necessarily
used,
and
you
can
see
that
that
percentage
is
is
heavily
on
the
used
side,
because
that
blue
is
a
lot
higher
a
lot
more
than
than
the
green,
which
is
the
what's
released.
Now,
if
you
fast
forward
to
the
current
fiscal
year
that
we're
sitting
in
is
fiscal
year
22,
you
can
see
that
we're
over
that
2.5
billion.
H
F
Risks
obviously,
obviously
with
tiff
that
can
cause
issues
of
being
able
to
utilize
that
in
general,
the
tif
can
go
upside
down
when
tax
base
falls
below
the
frozen
level,
which
that
can
happen
in
a
couple
different
situations
where
buildings
are
demolished
or
converted
to
nonprofit,
because
nonprofit
that
those
values,
if
they
were
on
the
books
and
they
get
converted
to
a
non-profit.
F
Also,
there
has
you
know
there
is
some
municipalities
in
the
past
have
have
abused
some
of
the
interpretations
of
the
urban
rural
law
and
it's
always
kind
of
up
for
discussion
at
legislature
and
making
sure
that
that's
still
available
and
can
be
utilized
long
term.
That
was
a
lot
of
information.
I
know
I'm
limited
over,
but
if
we
can
do
questions
I
will
try
to
do
as
best
as
I
can.
D
I
I
Well,
yeah,
I'm
sorry
it's
after
midnight
here
and
I
apologize
for
being
remote,
but
I
I
liked
your
slide
on
utilization
but
like
when
you
look
at
utilization
versus
available
tiff.
That
could
also
be
argued.
It's
really
proves
how
much
you
overspent
versus
how
much
we
could
have
overspent.
So
I
got
two
questions
in
the
other
slides
because
I
noticed
your
return
on
investment.
Slides
are
actually
set
as
3x
over
two.
You
know
you
know
3x
as
the
actual
example.
I
E
D
I
I
I
know
we
see
return
on
investment
as
seen
through
the
amount
of
increase
and
revenue
attainable
through
taxes
versus
the
amount
that
we
invest
in
tiff
right.
So
my
question
is:
if
we're
looking
at
any
project,
that's
actually
happened
because
the
project
is
in
the
slides,
looks
like
it's
set
at
a
3x
which
doesn't
seem
consistent
with
the
other
projects
we
see.
So,
if
we're
looking
at
the
data
that
we
actually
do
have
for
projects,
we
have
done
over
the
last
10
years.
K
This
is
a
complex
question.
We
don't
have
very
much
time
and
perhaps
another
person
or
two
on
the
commission
would
like
to
ask
a
question,
and
although
the
ones
that
chris
is
asking
are
important,
no
doubt
I
think
if
they
were
submitted
in
writing
to
nick.
That
might
be
a
more
efficient
way
to
answer
the
question
for
everyone's
benefit.
Well,.
I
I
K
Chris,
perhaps
it
would
be
more
efficient
actually
if
we
asked
the
city
staff
to
come
up
with
some
kind
of
a
means
to
satisfy
your.
You
know
your
legitimate
questions
and,
quite
frankly,
mine
too.
E
Yeah
and
I
and
I
think
the
challenge
and
maybe
seen
actually
chris's
questions
in
writing,
but
I
know
some
of
the
conversations
we've
had
in
the
past,
with
chris
have
been
more
focused
on
policy,
which
is
policy
is
set
by
a
city
council.
Our
presentation
today
is
to
talk
about
the
program
and
give
everybody
a
base,
understanding
of
how
it
operates
today
and
and
those
sorts
of
things
I
mean.
I
Well,
no,
no!
No!
No!
No
wait.
Wait!
Wait!
Jason,
though
that's
not
fair!
My
questions
are
focused
solely
on
data.
What
is
the
data
that
we
have?
That
proves
that
this
is
an
investment
vehicle
we
should
as
planning
and
zoning
as
those
who
are
supposed
to
be
setting
the
strategy.
The
city
accounts
can
accept
or
reject
we're,
just
an
advisory
board.
I
get
it,
but
what
is
the
actual
data
that
proves
the
strategy
we're
responsible
for
influencing
is
the
right
strategy
that
we
should
be
using
as
a
city.
E
E
D
D
So
we
will
move
on
to
the
public
meeting.
Welcome
for
those
of
you
who
just
walked
in
to
the
may
5th
2022
meeting
of
the
city
of
plan
and
zoning
commission,
I
will
first
read
the
rules
and
procedures.
The
plan
and
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plats.
Unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
D
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
for
details
on
council
hearings.
Applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
be
to
be
germaine
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
D
Item
number
two
request
from
brixmer
holdings:
10
llc
represented
by
arc
holdings,
llc
adam
cockerell
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
planned
scooters,
coffee
located
at
4100,
merle
hay
road
for
type
2
design,
alternatives
a
through
f.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
would
like
to
hear
this
item
tonight?
E
D
M
N
N
N
N
And
here's
just
a
general
layout
of
what
they're
proposing
as
you
can
see
here,
they're
fronting
merle
hay
road
and
then
they
have
their
queuing
going
around
here
for
the
drive
access
on
the
north
side.
They
have
their
employee
entrance
on
the
back
side,
they're
proposing
for
bike
parking
here
on
the
back
side.
Also,
they
are
proposing
to
continue
the
sidewalk
here
on
merle
hay
and
there
will
be
a
connection
from
the
south
there
to
the
north
on
the
building.
N
N
N
N
Here's
the
stack
staff
is
supportive
of
this
because
it's
a
generally
an
auto
oriented
corridor.
There's
existing
uses
of
the
north
and
south
that
are
sort
of
consistent
with
what's
being
proposed
here.
The
popeye's
chicken
on
the
north
side
has
a
35
foot
setback
and
that's
similar
to
what's
being
asked
with
the
scooter's
coffee.
N
J
E
E
This
is
one
that
staff.
You
know.
We
talked
it
through
kind
of
thought
about
the
area.
This
is
just
north
of
merle
hay
mall.
I
think
you
have
casey's
across
the
street
right
there,
south
of
aurora
and
just
with
that
context
and
kind
of
a
large
parking
lot
with
two
drive-through
restaurants
to
either
direction.
We
just
felt
that
we
could
support
this
request.
J
N
Currently
there
is
the
north
and
they're
proposing
the
connection
for
the
front
edge
of
their
property.
O
P
Good
evening
honorable
chair
members
of
the
commission,
wally
peltz
peltz
design
services,
2323
dixon
street
des
moines,
iowa
50316..
I
want
to
also
thank
you
for
baptizing
brandon,
who
was
a
new
engineer
intern
last
time.
In
my
absence,
because
I
couldn't
be
here,
he
said
man,
I
got
it
right.
I
got
every
vote
in
one
way.
So
with
that
said,
this
is
a
very
similar
store.
We
think
this
is
a
great
location
for
a
scooter
store.
It's
an
existing
parking
lot.
P
We
are
taking
paving
out
adding
trees,
adding
shrubbery,
adding
green
space,
but
meanwhile,
still
maintaining
access
part
of
the
issues
on
this
one
is.
I
have
to
maintain
access
to
to
the
north,
for
the
which
one's
that
one
that
was
chick-fil-a's
to
the
south
and
to
the
north
is
popeye's
chicken.
P
P
J
P
Actually,
the
one
that's
shown
right
now
is
not
a
bad
one
or
that
one,
because
you'll
pull
in
off
of
merle
hay,
that's
the
main
entrance
yep.
Then
we
they
come
around
so
right
now
it
actually
just
jumps
into
a
parking
lot
at
about
32
feet.
This
extends
that
stacking
entering
into
that
parking
lot.
So
there
won't
be
so
much
confusion
because
there's
a
lot
of
criss-crossing
if
you've
ever
been
at
that
chick-fil-a
yep,
it's
a
little
confusing.
So
this
is
part
of
that
correction.
P
Is
we're
bringing
a
curved
edge
all
the
way
along
to
control
traffic
coming
across
then
you
would
pull
in
and
it's
directional
one
way
and
that's
how
you
would
get
into
the
popeye's
chicken
to
the
north
if
they're
exiting
from
the
popeyes,
they
have
a
couple
of
options
to
come
out
and
either
go
out
to
aurora
avenue
or
come
through
our
parking
lot
with
that
directional
arrow
back
out.
Okay,
if
they
want
to
try
and
jump
back
onto
merle
hay
road.
D
P
D
Q
Q
We're
we're
in
favor
of
scooters.
We
really
like
the
fact
that
they're
adding
sidewalks
they're
adding
green
space.
Q
We
would
like
to
see
a
few
additions
just
to
help
with
that
traffic
that
a
couple
people
have
talked
about
that
parking
lot
is
is
horrible
as
far
as
traffic
goes,
chick-fil-a
kind
of
backs
up
everywhere
and
and
people
just
randomly
pull
in.
So
we
do
like
the
fact
that
this
will
help
regulate
it.
Q
You
know
that
that
curved
parking
to
get
back
to
popeyes
on
the
corner,
because
there's
only
the
one
entry
off
of
aurora
into
popeyes,
so
that
could
I
can
envision
a
lot
of
people
coming
off
of
merle
hay
to
get
there
and
and
having
to
go
through
that
little
bit
of
a
roundabout.
Q
So
we
do
have
kind
of
a
mock-up
of
some
suggestions
that
we'd,
like
and
and
I'll
certainly
send
that
on
to
city
staff
as
as
well
as
whoever
else,
I
need
to
send
it
to
still
learning
this
sorry.
Oh.
E
If
you
don't
mind
leaving
it,
that's
probably
the
easy
thing,
but
if
you
have
it,
if
you
can
email
it
before,
you
leave
tonight,
that'd
be
fine
too,
and
just
take
that
away.
Okay,
we
can
we'll
talk
to
you
when
the
item's
over
okay.
Q
So
we've
we've
just
kind
of
got
this
marked
up
a
bit
with
you
know,
additional
things
that
we
would
like
to
see,
and
we
have
a
wonderful
city.
Planner
is
part
of
our
board
and
so
he's
the
one
that
did
this
beautiful
mock-up
and
inserted
the
pictures
and
everything.
So
it
just
gives
you
a
better
idea
of
of
where
we
are
are
thinking.
There
might
be
some
issues,
as
I
said
overall,
you
know
we
do
support
the
new
business.
We
support.
Q
L
E
D
K
Madam
chairman,
I
asked
a
question
of
staff
in
the
meantime
yep
down
at
the
bottom.
There
was
a
request
to
do
striping
in
the
area
to
the
to
the
west,
which,
as
I
understand
from
the
map,
would
not
be
owned
by
the
applicant.
K
K
E
Yeah,
I
think
that
we'll
have
to
have
wally
discuss,
maybe
the
if
this
is
a
purchase
or
if
this
is
a
lease
and
what
kind
of
I
mean.
Obviously
you
can
see.
There's
some
islands
on
here.
That
kind
are
outside
of
the
dash
line,
so
there
might
be
ability
to
to
do
some
things
kind
of
off-site
in
a
way
but
or
at
the
periphery
of
the
site.
So
I
think,
I'm
glad
while
you
got
spent
a
little
time.
E
Looking
through
those
items,
I
mean
to
me
the
one
that
jumped
out
that
I
think,
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
can
be
easily
incorporated.
The
site
plan
is
the
extension
of
the
sidewalk
to
the
west,
the
one
that
runs
along
the
bottom
there,
but
some
of
the
other
stuff,
that's
kind
of
peripheral
and
might
actually
be
somebody
else's
responsibility.
E
What
I
did
there
we
go
some
other
stuff,
but
anyway
I
mean
I
don't
know.
If
that
helps
will.
I
think
we
just
probably
have
to
have
conversation
here
with
wally
and
kind
of
see
where
we,
where
we
go.
P
P
Then
the
drive
the
islands
on
the
far
west
end,
which
are
within
a
non-leased
area,
so
this
will
be
a
leased
area.
Is
my
understanding?
That's
where
we're
adding
the
islands
to
add
trees,
to
accomplish
the
shade
requirements
that
we
need
to
do
for
the
parking,
and
so
we've
made
that
arrangement
with
the
leasi.
I
believe
and
then
to
paint
strike
that
that's
again,
that's
a
maintenance
question.
That's
outside
of
my
purview.
I
can't
commit
to
to
painting
someone
else's
parking
lot.
We
can
certainly
make
that
suggestion
to
the
to
the
lease.
P
Is
it
a
lease
or
who
would
be
hey?
That
was
a
part
of
the
recommendation
from
the
community
a
lot
of
those
things
where
they
talk
about
the
curbs
we
already
have
we're
connecting
to
the
curb
up
to
the
popeyes
and
we're
coming
around,
and
we
have
curbs
for
all
of
our
parking
islands,
so
I
believe
we've
controlled
most
of
it,
extending
that
sidewalk
to
the
west.
I
don't
have
any
issues
with
that.
P
C
P
C
Just
getting
another
one,
the
roundabout
section
is
that
shaded
area
in
the
middle
is
that
going
to
be
raised,
or
is
that
just
straight.
P
That's
all
raised
on
curb
it'll
have
some
grass
and
some
landscaping
on
some
of
them.
We've
done
done,
rocks
and
some
pretty
landscaping
in
it,
because
it's
kind
of
hard
to
mow
it
and
keep
it
alive
in
some
places.
Other
places
we
do
have
grass,
so
it
just
depends
on
what
the
architect
chooses,
because
we're
not
the
architect
on
this
we're
just
the
civil
consultant.
G
One
more
so
the
there's
quite
a
bit
of
topography
from
the
street
heading
west
on
the
sidewalk
is:
is
that
able
to
maintain
an
accessible
route.
P
J
One
question
so
it
looks
like
we
have
a
good
amount
of
green
space
near
the
building.
Is
there
any
seating,
or
are
you
expecting
people
to
do
like
picnics?
What
do
you
visualize
that
area
being
used.
P
J
P
J
Do
you
do
you
have
a
walk-up
window?
We
do
not
okay.
My
next
question:
what
was
the
intention
for
the
parking
is
that
solely
for
and
staff
yeah?
That
was
my
next
question
say
that
again
was
the
parking.
So
I
know,
there's
four
slots
in
there
looks
like
there's
six
without
counting
at
the
bottom.
Was
that
intended
for
staff
or
yep.
J
P
Shift
changes,
our
pro
I
mean
if
we
just
built
it
for
the
they
usually
run.
R
P
L
J
D
All
right,
I'm
going
to
close
well,
unless
anyone
has
any
questions,
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
hearing,
all
right,
we're
going
to
close
it
commissioners.
What
do
you
think.
R
J
K
May
I
ask
a
question
francis:
would
you
include
in
that,
as
perhaps
a
friendly
amendment
for
the
staff
to
make
consideration
of
these
recommendations
and
suggestions
from
the
neighborhood
association
and
see
if
anything
could
have
come
of
that
as
well?.
E
D
M
M
M
I'm
just
going
to
give
a
very
quick
recap
of
the
proposal
and
what
was
discussed
and
then
give
you
an
update
regarding
the
staff
recommendation.
So
the
rezoning
request
is
for
a
property
at
2010
and
2020
army
12,
20
army
post
road.
Here's
a
map
showing
the
the
property.
M
The
applicant
currently
has
a
couple
users
in
the
existing
building
and
continues
and
proposes
to
continue
those
two
uses.
The
two
users
include
a
auto
upholstery
use
which
falls
under
under
the
vehicle
maintenance
repair,
miner
use,
as
well
as
a
landscaping
company
that
has
outdoor
storage,
which
falls
under
the
storage
distribution
and
and
wholesaling
category.
M
At
the
previous
meeting,
the
applicant
had
requested
to
rezone
to
i2
or
i1.
Rather,
the
reason
for
the
the
i1
industrial
district
rezoning
is
because
of
the
outdoor
storage
component
that
was
associated
with
the
landscaping
business.
I
will
move
on
to.
M
The
conditions
that
were
part
of
the
rezoning
previously
that
was
in
that
was
done
in
2020.
M
I
apologize
it
looks
like
I
do
not
have
the
staff
report
here
as
part
of
the
presentation,
but
I
will
just
relate
that
in
on
december,
21st
2020
the
property
had
been
rezoned
from
rx1
mixed-use
district
to
a
limited,
mx3
mixed-use
district
and
that
had
several
conditions
that
were
part
that
were
part
of
the
rezoning
and
prohibited
certain
uses
on
the
property
and
one
of
those
uses
included.
Vehicle
maintenance
and
repair
miners.
Specifically.
M
Staff
is
after
meeting
with
the
applicant
it.
It
was
decided
that
the
the
conditions
for
the
mx3
mixed
use
limited
would
be
updated
to
vehicle
maintenance
and
repair
miner,
except
automotive
upholstery
and
automotive
detailing
used,
which
are
to
be
which
are
to
be
permitted.
Thank
you.
M
So,
as
you
can
see
there
on
the
screen,
where
you
have
this,
the
on
the
text,
that's
underlined,
that's,
what's
the
new
condition,
that's
been
updated
into
the
existing
conditions
which
which
would
allow
the
the
applicant
to
be
able
to
have
the
automotive
upholstery
and
automotive
detailing
users
on
on
the
property.
M
The
applicant
has
agreed
to
this
updated
condition.
The
outdoor
storage
would
still
not
be
allowed.
The
landscaping
business
is
allowed
under
the
the
limited
mx3
district.
So
that's
the
update
to
what
was
what
was
discussed
with
the
applicant.
M
M
J
M
So
the
the
square
footage
for
the
existing
building
is
about
13
475
square
foot.
Tonight
that
I
don't,
I
don't
remember
off
the
top
of
my
head,
the
number
that
would
be
for
the
parking.
B
Well,
I
guess
to
answer
your
question:
the
number
of
parking
spaces
shown
that
would
be
the
number
of
vehicles
that
would
be
allowed
on
the
property
at
any
time.
But
if
you're,
asking
about
the
auto
repair
business,
that's
required
to
provide
one
off
street
stall
per
600
square
feet
of
space
dedicated
to
that
use.
So
it's
really
the
parking.
H
M
O
Good
evening,
ed
arp
civil
engineering
consultants,
2486th
street
urbandale,
representing
tiger
knight,
barry
nelson
with
tiger
nights
here
tonight.
Also,
I
guess
I'd
like
to
compliment
staff
on
helping
us
through
this
and
figuring
out
what
would
work
for
the
user.
O
J
What
was
the
original
use
for?
The
outdoor
storage
was
that
for
the
lawn
company
to
be
able
to
store
trailers,
it
was.
O
J
J
O
J
D
S
Good
evening
carol,
maher
ward,
3,
zip
code
50312..
Thank
you
to
commissioner
lewis,
who
recommended
that
this
project
go
back
to
staff
and
kept
saying
that
we're
talking
seats
here.
So
I
think
thank
you
for
your
direction.
Given
last
meeting
to
have
a
workable
solution,
I'm
excited
to
hear
that
the
trailers
will
be
moved
inside
because
they
really
are
unattractive.
When
I
drove
by
on
the
19th
of
april,
they
were
out
there
and
proud
and
it
does
not
provide
any
value
to
the
neighborhood.
S
I
hope
that
too,
since
the
parking
lot
will
need
to
be
brought
into
compliance,
that
adequate
landscaping
and
fencing
parking
lot,
striping
will
be
provided
as
well
as
it
would
be
really
great
to
put
a
coat
of
paint
on
that
building
with
appropriate
signage
for
the
businesses,
because,
right
now
it
looks
a
little
bit
breaking
bad-ish.
For
point
of
clarification,
I'm
also
going
to
go
rogue
here
because
there
was
the
atom.
Pre-Meeting
did
not
have
a
public
comment
period.
S
I'm
disappointed
that
the
tiff
presentation,
unlike
the
urban
design,
review
board,
which
had
their
tip
presentation
as
an
item
on
the
agenda,
so
that
adequate
questions
could
be
entertained
during
the
meeting
that
instead,
this
tif
presentation
was
done
before
the
meeting
adequate
time
was
not
given
for
the
presentation
or
questions.
Let.
T
L
S
I
will
not
I'm
not
going
to
dox
myself
publicly.
I
write
it
down
here.
If
you'd
like
to
see
it,
you
can
see
it.
City
council
has
passed
an
ordinance
that
at
their
meetings
you
do
not
have
to
give
your
address.
For
those
reasons
I
get
my
award
and
zip
code.
D
J
J
D
Thanks
justin,
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
now
and
commissioners.
What's
what
do
you
want
to
do.
D
Thank
you,
justin,
all
in
favor
of
justin's
motion
to
move
staff.
Please
raise
your
right
hand
and
abby
and
chris.
How
do
you
vote.
D
I
E
E
Yeah
I
just
want
to
introduce
a
few
people.
You
actually
got
to
meet
one
individual
already,
michael
delp,
with
her
office.
I
congratulate
him
on
his
first
presentation.
We
knew
that
I
was
going
to
be
consent
on
him,
but
he
might
get
a
shot
at
it.
So
great
job
michael,
and
we
also
have,
I
think
at
the
last
meeting.
The
commission
was
aware
of
the
changes
in
our
legal
staff
and
you
met
lisa.
The
other
half
of
the
dynamic
duo
they'll
be
serving
us
as
gary
guidelock
who's
in
the
audience.
E
There
welcome
aboard
gary
previously
been
with
the
city
left,
and
then
he
realized
how
great
it
is
so
he's
come
back.
So
he'll
continue
to
work
with
us,
and
then
we
also
have
other
staff
with
us
in
the
back.
We
have
sarah
hutchinson
who's,
also
a
assistant
planner
with
the
staff
and
in
who
we're
going
to
get
in
front
of
you
guys
this
year
as
well
and
then
nick
tarpeigh
or
tarpy.
Sorry,
I
always
said
it
wrong
who
was
presented.
E
I
think
a
few
months
ago
we're
really
excited
with
michael
the
three
of
them
have
been
here
about
a
year
now
and
so
they've
done
an
amazing
job
of
picking
up
all
the
ins
and
outs,
the
site
plans
and
plats,
and
we're
excited
to
give
them
more
opportunity
to
present
to
you
guys
and
for
you
guys
to
get
to
know
them.