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From YouTube: 10-6-22 Plan & Zoning Commission
Description
Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, Oct. 6, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
I
work
will
first
read
the
rules
and
procedures.
The
plan
and
Zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plans,
unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
for
details
on
Council
hearings.
A
Applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
a
maximum
allowed
of
five
minutes.
Applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
to
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
A
I
will
now
read
through
the
consent
items
item
number
one:
a
request
from
13th
and
mulberry
LLC
represented
by
a
Byron
shop
shoppersman
regarding
the
vacation
of
air
and
substance,
subsurface
rights
of
way
adjoining
1321
Mulberry
within
13,
within
13th
Street,
Falcon,
Drive,
Mulberry,
Street
and
a
north-south
Alleyway.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item?
A
Item
number
two
request
from
Central:
Iowa,
shelter
and
services
represented
by
Melissa
O'neill
for
a
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing,
site
plan,
sis
agrihood
for
the
property
at
1420,
Mulberry
Street,
and
for
the
following
type:
2
design
alternatives
one
through
four.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item?
A
Number
two
will
remain
on
consent:
number
three:
a
request
from
block
39
LLC
represented
by
Kathy
Fairman
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing,
site
plan,
block
39
commercial
development
for
property
in
the
vicinity
of
3901
Ingersoll
Ave
for
the
following
type:
2
design,
Alternatives,
A
and
B.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item?
A
A
Number
three
will
be
a
part
of
the
public
hearing
number
four:
a
request
from
Legacy
515
LLC,
represented
by
Zach
vanderplague
for
a
vacation
of
an
undeveloped
segments
of
right-of-way
in
the
vicinity
of
Southwest,
17th
Street
and
County
Line
Road,
including
segments
perpendicular
to
in
to
the
west
of
Southwest
17th
Street,
and
an
undeveloped
segment
of
Southwest
14th
Street.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item?
A
Number
six
there
is,
there
has
been
a
request
for
a
continuance
until
October
20th
I
will
read
it
really
quickly:
a
request
from
Eastgate
Plaza
LLC
represented
by
Norman
Weinstein
for
review
and
approval
of
an
eighth
amendment
to
the
Eastgate
Plaza
PUD
conceptual
plan
on
the
property
of
1514
East
Euclid
Ave.
To
allow
Car
Wash
use
do
I
have
a
motion
to
move
to
continue
that
until
October
20th.
A
A
D
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Nick
tarpey
planning
staff,
so
this
development
there's
about
four
partials,
the
current
corner
of
39th
and
Ingersoll.
Basically,
what
they're
proposing
to
do?
It's
a
it's,
a
Redevelopment,
so
I,
don't
know
people
have
been
around
in
the
neighborhood
a
little
bit,
but
there
are
a
couple
structures
that
were
there:
they're
currently
demolished
and
they're,
basically
redeveloping
the
site,
putting
two
new
structures
on
the
property,
so
I'll
kind
of
walk
through
that
and
then
I'll
walk
through
the
design
Alternatives
as
well.
D
D
Digging
into
some
of
the
site
plan
here,
so
here's
the
existing
conditions.
This
is
what
the
site
previously
had
been
composed
of
had
a
one-story
office
building
that
was
occupying
more
towards
the
corner,
and
then
there
was
a
residence
that
had
been
converted
to
more
of
a
retail
type
occupancy
that
had
been
situated
just
to
the
west
of
that,
with
some
parking
in
the
back
and
a
drive
aisle
as
well.
D
So
digging
into
the
layout
plan,
these
are
broken
up,
so
I'll,
probably
toggle
back
and
forth
between
what's
proposed
here.
So
this
is
the
northern
portion
of
the
site,
they're,
proposing
a
community
garden
basically
to
supplement
some
of
the
other
sites.
Operations
I'll
dig
into
that
a
little
bit
and
then
parking
is
being
located
in
the
rear,
with
the
drive
aisle
off
of
39th
Street
and
then
here's
the
frontage
along
Ingersoll.
So
this
building
here
that's
occupying
the
corner.
It's
proposed
to
be
a
restaurant
type
use.
D
So
that
is
what
the
garden
that
I
showed
you
in
the
previous
slide
would
be
used
for.
Basically,
the
the
owners
and
the
applicants
have
indicated
that
they
would
like
to
use
a
lot
of
the
items
that
are
grown
in
the
garden
as
kind
of
like
a
farm
to
table
concept
for
the
restaurant
that
would
be
located
here
on
the
corner.
So
that's
if
you're,
trying
to
visualize
what
kind
of
use
is
going
to
be
going
in
there,
that's
what
that
would
be,
and
then
just
to
the
West
there.
D
D
Also
of
note
the
Ingersoll
streetscape
project
that
has
been
ongoing
for
a
long
time
along
a
lot
of
sections
of
Ingersoll.
A
lot
of
that
was
just
recently
completed
through
here.
So
there
is
a
sidewalk
and
a
cycle
track
as
well
that
was
just
completed
and
that
basically,
is
part
of
the
site
improvements.
The
applicants
aren't
really
proposing
to
modify
any
of
those
elements,
they're
really
going
to
try
to
keep
the
existing
condition.
As
it
looks
like
today,.
D
So
here's
just
that
same
view,
but
just
with
some
Landscaping
overlaid
with
that.
So
you
can
see
the
Landscaping
plan.
That's
proposed
streetscape
to
comply
with
the
Ingersoll
streetscape
standards,
so
a
lot
of
you
might
be
familiar
with
the
tree
beds
and
things
like
that
that
are
associated
with
that.
So
that's,
what's
being
proposed
here,
's
the
floor
plan
of
what's
proposed.
D
So
here's
some
elevations,
we'll
zoom
in
a
little
bit,
so
we
can
get
a
little
bit
of
a
closer
look
at
that.
So
I'll
look
at
these
renderings
that
probably
give
a
clearest
picture.
Maybe
what's
proposed
so
you
can
see
this
is
looking
from
the
southwest.
So
this
is
like
that
dry
bile
that
splits
the
two
buildings
that
are
proposed.
This
is
the
entrance
here.
So
this
is
part
of
their
design,
alternative
relief
that
we'll
dig
into
a
little
bit
more,
but
where
my
cursor
is
hovering.
D
That's
really
where
the
main
entrance
is
going
to
go
they're
proposing
a
basically
like
a
Solarium
type
structures.
The
best
word
I
can
use
to
describe
that
so
pretty
highly
transparent
facade.
That's
really
that's
going
to
wrap
the
corner
and
engage
with
the
Ingersoll
Frontage
here
and
then
here
where
my
cursor
is
now.
This
is
the
the
west
elevation.
So
this
is
where
that
dry
vial
is
so
you
can
see.
D
This
front
is
like
more
of
a
sitting
area
for
for
the
actual
dining
and
in
the
back,
it's
more
of
a
true
back
of
house
area
with
a
different
programming
element
in
there.
So
that's
where
they'll
be
doing
a
lot
of
their
food
prep,
so
you
can
see
there's
a
transition
there
between
the
two
building
styles.
D
Just
some
more
perspectives
here,
so
this
elevation
here.
This
is,
if
you're
standing
on
Ingersoll
and
you're
looking
just
North
into
the
building.
So
that's
what
this
would
indicate
here
and
then
this
is
the
other
building
that's
proposed.
So
this
is
that
commercial
building
that's
going
to
be,
or
that
would
be
proposed
to
be
located
just
to
the
West.
As
you
can
see,
it's
one
story:
it's
a
relatively
small
building.
D
It's
got
one
entrance,
it's
designed
to
be
one
a
single
tenant
type
building,
but
generally
a
storefront
type
appearance
appearance
with
that,
a
lot
of
Glass
on
the
that
front
facade
there
facing
Ingersoll.
So
this
would
be
the
looking
up
from
the
South
if
you're
standing
on
the
street
and
then
here's
a
rendering
of
that
same
view
as
well
just
a
different
perspective
down
here,
so
digging
into
the
staff
report
just
to
rehash
the
design
Alternatives
that
were
requested.
So
the
first
one
was
for
the
location
of
the
principal
entrance
so
per
code.
D
D
We
had
a
lot
of
internal
discussions
with
the
the
drive
aisle
being
oriented
as
it
is,
and
some
of
the
other
elements
that
they
provided
with
the
building,
so
that
that
Solarium
element,
that's
really
going
to
wrap
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
glazing.
That's
facing
Ingersoll
as
well
as
kind
of
a
beefed
up
wayfinding
element.
That's
really
going
to
lead
you
from
Ingersoll
to
that
main
entrance
kind
of
playing
off.
With
that
existing
Drive
aisle.
That's
there
staff.
D
We
thought
it
was
appropriate
that
that
relief
would
be
sought
and
then
the
other
design
alternative
that
is
up
for
debate
tonight
is
the
building
height,
so
the
the
building
just
to
the
west
of
the
proposed
restaurant
so
that
one-story
commercial
type
building
in
an
rx2
zoning
District,
the
minimum
height,
is
actually
two
stories.
They're
proposing
a
building.
That's
one
story
staff.
We
looked
at
that.
We
looked
at
the
surrounding
context.
D
E
F
That
the
difference
is
that
this
is
an
accessory
used
to
the
commercial
versus
the
Standalone
Community
correct
on
the
parcelots,
the
standards
we
have
in
the
in
the
code
that
I
think
you're
getting
at
the
fencing
and
those
things
those
are
to
address
a
principal
use
when
the
community
garden
is
the
only
use
on
the
property.
This
is
would
be
considered
accessory
to
the
restaurant.
So
we
wouldn't
necessarily
review
The
Proposal
against
that
yeah.
E
F
G
D
G
D
A
I
J
J
A
quick
will
to
you,
Oak
Park
was
thought
of
in
the
neighborhood
because
of
the
large
oak
trees
that
are
there,
but
it
is
definitely
a
nod
to
Oak
Park
in
Chicago,
as
well
as
neighborhoods
here
in
Des
Moines
and
the
building
has
a
I
mean
we.
This
is
a
commercial
Cottage
district
and
so
the
house,
actually
the
restaurant's
too
big
to
be
one
continuous
form,
or
else
it
wouldn't
work
very
well
on
the
site.
H
I
think
the
most
important
topic
that
I
wanted
to
discuss
was
just
the
possibility
of
pedestrian
entry
off
of
at
least
one
of
the
streetscapes
to
address
that
code
and
maybe
not
need
to
ask
for
that
waiver
I
mean
the
concept's
great,
the
you
know
it's
going
to
be
a
great
addition
to
Ingersoll
I,
just
from
a
from
a
long-term.
You
know
planning
perspective
just
having
a
front
door
on
a
on
a
brand
new
building.
That's
going
to
be
around
for
a
long
time,
yeah
to
address
the.
J
J
J
F
J
J
F
Well,
I,
don't
know
that
we're
addressing
his
comment
but
I
I,
guess
part
of
addressing
the
notion
of
a
pedestrian
coming
from
the
north
I.
Don't
know
if
we
talked
about
it
to
you
staff
but
I,
don't
see
a
sidewalk
connection
and
along
your
39th
Street
driveway.
Is
that
possible,
like
for
the
neighbors
to
the
north,
looks
like
a
street
like
a
light
is
in
the
way,
but.
F
H
J
J
L
F
M
N
J
Jesse's
Embers
Harbinger
I
mean
there's,
there's
a
whole
bunch,
we're
trying
to
not
be
like
that
and
have
them
have
a
more
pedestrian-oriented
access
to
it.
So
you
don't
go
through
like
Jesse's
numbers
and
nothing,
nothing
wrong
with
Jesse's,
but
you
do
go
through
the
back
door
and
a
dong
and
lots
of
other
places.
A
E
O
O
Q
My
name
is
Anna
Mason
I
live
at
619,
40th
Street,
so
our
house
shares
a
a
boundary
with
the
property
on
the
side
of
where
the
parking
lot
is
and
we're
just
really
excited
about
this
project.
As
neighbors
as
you
can
see,
it's
a
really
beautiful
design
and
it's
been
really
great
working
with
Kathy
and
her
team,
because
they've
done
a
really
good
job
with
communication.
Q
So
right
off
the
bat,
we
were
able
to
attend
a
meeting
and
express
some
of
our
concerns
that
some
of
you
have
raised.
But
a
lot
of
the
neighborhood
had
some
concerns
about
traffic
flow
and
we
really
appreciate
the
design
of
having
just
one
entrance
and
one
exit
and
that's
going
to
keep
a
lot
of
traffic
away
from
our
neighborhood
and
keep
it
on
Ingersoll,
which
I
think
will
be
really
beneficial
for
people
that
do
like
to
walk
and
for
walkability.
Q
Additionally,
I
mean
no
one's
really
brought
this
up,
but
the
one
story,
design
I,
think,
is
really
beautiful.
Our
Second
Story
looks
out
over
we'll
look
out
over
the
the
restaurants.
It'll
be
nice
not
to
have
an
obstructed
view.
Just
from
my
personal.
Just
kind
of
more
of
a
my
personal
opinion,
but
I
just
wanted
to
speak
in
favor
of
it
it's
going
to
really
lift
up
the
neighborhood
and
make
it
really
beautiful.
So
any
questions
for
me.
A
P
My
name
is
Jim
stavnik,
637,
41st,
Street
and
I'm.
Also
the
president
of
the
North
Grand
neighborhood
association.
We've
worked
with
Kathy
Furman
for
quite
a
bit
here.
She
has
attended
our
quarterly
meetings
and
laid
out
her
plans.
We
had
an
on-site
meeting
of
the
Neighbors
on
40th
Street,
39th,
Street
I
can
come
and
sit
down.
It
was
a
nice
day
and
she
presented
what
we're
doing.
It
was
very
interactive,
so
she
has
gone
a
long
ways
in
promoting
this
and
getting
neighborhood
buy-in.
A
C
A
R
I
was
gonna,
move
Stanford
he's
an
outstanding
project.
You
can
see
the
did
all
the
cross,
the
eyes
and
T's
that
they
were
supposed
to
it's
a
beautiful
concept.
The
house
has
a
restaurant
style,
Assad
I
think
it's
a
vast
improvement
over
the
building
that
were
there
and
I
think
these
minor
things
that
is
seeking
waivers
taking
into
consideration
the
whole
vision
of
the
project
is
excellent.
That
I
think
we
should
have
more
developers
working
with
the
neighbors
like
this,
so
I
would
move
staff.
F
F
E
Can
we
ask
I,
mean
I
guess
from
Dan's
person,
yeah
Dan
raised
some
good
questions,
which
I
guess
I
would
wonder
here
as
well?
I
mean
even
in
the
comment
that
came
through
it
says,
there's
a
concern
that
it's
under
parked
if
it
is
under
parked
and
we
are
in
a
neighborhood
and
we
are
promoting
walkability,
you
know
the
door
on
the
side
of
an
under
parked
parking
lot
seems
illogical
and
the
door
not
on
the
street
also
seems
out
in
keeping
of
what
our
strategy
is
for.
For
my
walkability
I
guess:
I'm
curious,
yeah.
H
I
I
think
that
you
know
positions
in
our
building
or
in
our
city
that
have
requirements
in
in
the
zoning
to
have
the
primary
entrances
face.
The
streets
I
think
are
for
good
reason
to
add
vitality
and
and
activity
to
the
streets,
and
that
means
to
The
Pedestrian
space
I,
wouldn't
say
that
I'm
convinced
that
this
is
a
really
balanced
pedestrian
car
approach,
site
I
think
this
has
been
really
treated
primarily
as
a
car
approach.
H
H
I
guess
what
I
would
be
open
to
is
if
the
secondary
door
was
facing
39th,
which
I
think
staff
wasn't
supportive
of
originally,
but
that
might
work
in
their
plan
that
everything
could
open
up
to
the
hostess
stand
from
both
stand
from
both
sides,
but
yeah
I
won't
be
supporting
it
I
think
we
should.
We
should
still
require
a
street
entrance
Street
facing
entry
in
some
way,
and
not
just
you
know,
paths.
A
All
I
struggle
with
the
street
entrance
for
the
same
reasons
that
they
already
said,
which
is
that
no
one's
ever
no
one
uses
them.
I,
don't
I,
know,
there's
an
entrance
to
Jesse's
Embers
from
the
front,
but
I've
never
seen
anyone
go
in
the
front
same
with
a
dong
and
other
restaurants.
Even
Eatery
A
is
like
the
entrance
is
like
on
the
side
and
then
you
come
from
behind
a
lot
because
you're
parking
back
there,
so
it
does
seem
to
be
keeping
with
the
rest
of
the
restaurants
in
the
area.
S
S
S
But,
and
so
this
is
a
brand
new
building
that
they
can
do
anything
they
want
with
and
I
have
walked
to
Jesse's
Embers,
because
I've
worked
at
37th
in
Ingersoll,
so
I'd
walk
down
to
Jesse's,
sometimes
and
I've,
walked
to
eight
on
two
and
gone
in
the
South
door.
So
at
least
one
person
has
used
those
doors
I.
E
E
H
Yeah
and
I
think,
but
the
experience
we're
trying
to
drive,
especially
in
neighborhoods
like
this,
is
a
pedestrian
streetscape
experience
and
so
giving
priorities
to
back
parking
lots
really
defeats
that
and
takes
all
those
pedestrians
off
the
street
that
might
linger
and
go
to
another
shop
or
something,
and
that's
really
what
the
rich
you
know,
pedestrian
experiences
that
we're
all
going
for.
So
that's.
Why
I
think
this
shouldn't
be
waived,
holy
I,
I,
again,
I'm
kind
of
open
to
some
flexibility
to
it,
but
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
waived.
T
I
agree
100
with
Dan
and
the
the
fact
that
this
is
a
new
build,
and
this
is
a
great
project,
but
if
we
don't
get
a
pedestrian
entry
in
the
most
walkable
neighborhood
in
our
city,
We're
not
gonna,
get
it
anywhere
else.
So
that
will
also
be
in
opposition
of
just
a
complete
waiver
of
that
front.
Entrance.
A
A
All
right.
The
next
item
is
item
number
seven.
It's
a
request
from
pridecraft
Custom
Homes
represented
by
Jason
Duran
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
and
for
type
2
design.
Alternatives
for
property
at
2518,
Capital
Ave
to
allow
construction
of
a
house
C,
building
type
home
in
in
3C
neighborhood
district
with
an
attached
garage
and
garage
entrance
on
the
front
facade
for
garage
entrance
is
only
allowed
on
the
side
or
rear
facade
in
church
he's
going
to
be
presenting.
U
U
U
U
So
I'm
going
to
go
through
a
few
drawings
here
that
was
provided
by
the
applicant.
The
applicant
has
proposed
an
attached
one
car
garage
with
an
entrance
from
the
front
facade.
So
as
per
the
zoning
district
and
n3c
designation,
the
the
applicant
has
is
using
the
house
C
building
type,
which
only
allows
entrance
to
the
garages
from
the
the
side
or
the
rear.
So
the
design
alternative
request
is
to
allow
the
attached
garage
with
the
entrance
on
the
front,
facade
and
so
I'll
go
through
some
of
the
drawings
here.
U
U
The
garages
are
all
set
back
and
most
of
them
have
access
off
of
the
alleys,
and
so
those
are
some
of
the
criteria
that
staff
used
while
reviewing
this
type
2
design
alternative
request.
The
the
proposed
dwelling
unit
is
about
12
21
square
feet.
The
attached
garage
is
about
288
square
feet
with
with
a
door,
that's
nine
feet
by
eight
feet,
so
that
takes
up
about
27
of
the
front
facade
of
the
of
the
garage.
U
One
of
the
things
that
we
look
at
is
whether
50
of
the
developed
Lots
within
the
250
feet
of
the
subject.
Property
are
designed
and
constructed
consistently
with
the
with
the
request,
design
alternative,
and
if
we
go
back
to
the,
if
we
go
back
to
the
aerial,
I
can
zoom
in
a
little
bit,
so
you
can
see
the
houses
and
the
vicinity.
U
There's
not
one
single
house
that
has
an
attached
garage
with
the
with
the
front
facade,
there's
a
fully
functional
alley
here
at
the
back,
and
so
it's
easy
to
get
access.
There
are
some
houses
that
do
have
driveways
off
of
the
street.
However,
the
garages
are
set
back,
so
that
is
the
primary
criteria
that
staff
use
for
reviewing
this
particular
design.
Alternative
and
stuff
is
recommending
denial
of
the
of
the
design
alternative
of
allowing
the
attached
garage
with
the
front
facade
where
on
the
side
and
rear
entrance
is
allowed.
U
U
We
received
another
letter
which
came
in
from
four
residents
in
the
immediate
vicinity
of
the
property
whoops.
Their
names
and
addresses
are
right.
Here.
You
can
see
they're
all
on
Capitol
Avenue.
They
are
in
opposition
of
this
requested
design
alternative
and
they
are
in
support
of
Staff
recommendation
and
if,
if
you
can
read
through
this
you'll
see
that
their
primary
concern
is
the
same
as
what
staff
has
that
it?
A
M
Jason
Duran
with
pridecraft
custom
homes
address
is
1004
Northeast
19th
Street
in
Grimes
I
originally
started
off
the
proposing
on
the
slot
at
actually
a
little
bit
bigger
house,
but
the
two-car
garage.
Then
I
started
doing
my
research
on
the
market.
Values
in
this
neighborhood
and
other
houses
in
this
neighborhood
and
I
come
to
the
realization
that
something
a
house
of
that
magnitude
would
not
be
able
to
be
sold
in
this
neighborhood
for
the
value
of
what
it
should
be.
M
M
E
M
M
The
only
new
construction
houses
in
this
neighborhood
was
about
five
blocks
down
built.
Two
years
ago.
It
was
a
two-story
house
with
a
two-car
garage
that
faced
the
street.
That's
that's.
The
only
new
construction
I
can
find
in
this
neighborhood
I
haven't
been
able
to
find
any
new
construction
that
had
a
a
house
in
the
alleyway
in
this
neighborhood.
M
Well,
I
mean
yeah,
there's
always
a
plan
you
can
come
up
with
without
with
the
alley
entrance
for
the
garage
on
this
particular
plant.
It'd
be
pretty
difficult,
I
think,
but
it
I
mean
there
could
be
totally
completely
different
floor
plan.
It
could
become
up
that
would
accommodate
that
yeah
Mike
was
my
thing
on
myself.
Is
that
for
my
risk,
I
think
it's
too
much
of
a
risk
for
me
to
take
on
building
a
new
construction
house
in
this
neighborhood
with
an
entrance
in
the
alleyway.
G
Then,
alternatively,
there
was
a
concern
from
at
least
four
neighbors
in
the
area
about
Capital
Avenue.
It's
one
of
the
very
few
one
of
the
very
few
brick
streets
remaining
in
the
city
today,
there's
another
one.
There
Des,
Moines,
Street
and
and
residents
are
quite
legitimately
proud
of
of
the
of
the
Brick
Street
and
just
as
an
editorial
comment,
it
does
keep
keep
the
traffic
speed
down
because
sometimes
they're
not
you
know
as
amenable
to
speeding
anyway.
M
Well
from
the
overhead
picture
on
here,
you
can
see
that
there
are
other
houses
that
do
have
their
driveway
going
into
the
Brick
Street,
so
I'd
be
in
line
with
all
the
other
neighbors
that
do
have
their
driveways
going
into
the
Brick
Street.
One
of
the
things,
though,
too,
is
that
in
a
in
a
building
a
lot
like
this,
you
have
to
bring
the
water
and
sewer
in
from
the
street,
which
is
below
Capitol
Avenue.
M
So
I
talked
to
my
plumber.
That
does
that,
and
so
what
he
told
me
does
is
that
the
section
of
Capitol
Avenue
that
he
has
to
remove,
he
actually
picks
those
bricks
up
and
takes
it
back
to
shop.
So
nobody
steals
them
on
the
curb
and
then,
when
he's
all
done,
he'll
bring
the
brick
bricks
back
and
then
put
the
bricks
back
in
place.
S
I
I
appreciate
that
you're
taking
on
an
infill
project
in
a
in
a
neighborhood
where
the
margins
for
you
are
are
going
to
be
extremely
limited.
I
understand
that
and
I
appreciate
that
you're
doing
that.
I
also
think
that
it's
important
to
to
do
infield
development
that
maintains
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
as
much
as
you
can,
and
it
feels
to
me
like
the
idea
of
and
of
just
flipping
the
first
floor
plan
so
that
the
one-car
garage
faces
the
rear
of
the
house
and
you
enter
it
off
of
the
alley.
S
I
think
that
that
feels
like
a
reasonable
compromise
that
I,
don't
I,
don't
think,
would
would
be
too
hard
to
achieve.
I,
don't
think
you'd
have
to
mess
with
the
second
floor
of
the
plan,
I
think
it's
just
a
first
floor,
flip
and
I
think
it
might
go
a
really
long
way
to
sort
of
being
committed
to
preserving
the
character
of
that
neighborhood
and
not
and
avoiding
kind
of
a
disruptive
Rhythm
change
at
the
street
and
sidewalk
face.
S
If
you're
asking
me
I
would
tell
you
that
I
would
yeah,
because,
if
I
was
buying
a
house
in
a
historic
neighborhood,
I
would
look
for
a
feeling
of
sort
of
sameness
or
not
sameness.
But,
like
you
know,
you
look
at
the
pictures
in
the
first
part
of
swaroshi's
presentation
and
you
see
that
there's
a
typology,
and
that
is
what
gives
you
the
feeling
of
a
historic
neighborhood
and
as
an
infill,
Builder
you're,
taking
on
a
higher
challenge
than
somebody
that's
building
on
a
Green
Field.
S
And
so
that's
one
of
the
things
that
you
have
to
solve
and
and
that's
one
of
the
ways
you
can
solve
it
is
by
maintaining
the
traditional
neighborhood
traffic
flow.
So
I
would
actually
prefer
a
house
that
showed
that
level
of
sort
of
design,
Acumen
and
sensitivity
to
the
context
of
the
site
than
one
that
sort
of
just
disrupted
it,
because
that
was
what
the
plan
book
showed.
K
M
And
I
would
agree
to
you
because
you
mentioned
in
a
historical
neighborhood,
so
you
know
most
people
when
they
think
of
historical
neighborhoods.
They'll,
think
you
know
Ingersoll
Sherman
Hill
things
like
that
people
typically
will
pay
a
little
bit
extra
in
those
neighborhoods
25th
and
Capitol
people
aren't
going
to
pay
extra
money,
I
I'm,
just
I'm
not
trying
to
be
rude
or
anything
I'm.
Just
stating
the
fact
people
aren't
going
to
pay
extra
money
to
live
in
at
25th
and
Capitol.
M
No
I'm
just
a
little
alienate
potential
buyers.
That's
my
point
of
view.
Is
that
doing
something
like
that
and
having
people
come
because,
obviously
you
look
at
the
the
alleyway.
You
can
see
that
it's
about
half
or
a
third
of
the
size
of
the
street.
You
cannot
get
two-way
traffic
on
that
Alleyway.
If
you
happen
to
be
going
down
to
your
house
and
somebody's
coming
down
the
alleyway
somebody's
going
to
have
to
reverse
anyways
just
cities,
don't
use
Alleyways
for
new
construction.
M
F
Do
you
have
a
model
that
doesn't
have
a
garage
I
know
some
of
your
other
people
that
we
see
come
in
to
do
infield
tip
often
will
just
that
will
be
something
that
to
keep
price
point
down.
They
don't
do
the
garage,
that's
something
that
as
the
owner
develops
equity
and
they
build
that
in
the
backyard
I.
F
A
O
F
Yeah
I
think
the
installation,
even
if
you
didn't
want
to
I,
think
he's
obligated
to
put
the
bracket
the
brick
back
in
to
maintain
the
bricks,
because
the
city's
actually
been
spending
money
on
brick
streets.
Maybe
maybe
that
not
to
this
one.
Yet
if
you
were
out
there
and
it's
rough
but
I,
we
would
expect
that
to
go
back
in
regardless
of
whatever
the
motion
is.
D
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Nick
tarpey
planning
staff.
So,
as
you
can
see,
we
do
have
a
Full
Slate
of
design
Alternatives
here,
so
I'll
try
to
break
it
up
a
little
bit
in
the
presentation,
hopefully
it'll
get
lost
in
it,
so
try
to
follow
along.
If
this
address
does
look
familiar
it's
because
it
is
so,
there
was
a
rezoning
request
that
was
in
front
of
this
board
back
in
June,
so
that
you
probably
were
shown
an
initial
concept
at
that
time.
D
What's
shown
here
is
relatively
similar
to
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
changes,
so
I'll
try
to
walk
you
through
that
as
well,
but
zoning
history
of
the
site
was
zoned
MX2.
So
like
a
mixed
use,
type
of
zoning
District
the
rezoning
was
to
dxr,
which
is
Like
a
downtown
adjacent,
downtown
kind
of
District.
That's
really
heavily
promoting
residential
style
development
that
does
allow
row
home
style
development-
that's
what's
being
proposed
here!
So
I'll
walk
you
through
that.
D
So
here's
just
an
aerial
the
site
here
with
the
it's
a
really
an
oddly
shaped
site
and
that's
going
to
come
up
a
little
bit
tonight
as
we
just
talk
about
the
side
and
the
layout,
and
things
like
that,
so
we
got
Keo
that
is
really
forming
the
northeastern
border
of
the
site.
We
have
12th
Street
and
then
that
slip
lane
comes
down
here
to
Center
Street.
We
have
Oak
Ridge
and
Sherman
Hill.
That's
where
my
cursor
is
off
the
screen.
We've
got
Methodist
Hospital
complex,
the
just
to
the
South.
D
The
core
downtown
area
is
about
a
quarter
mile
or
so
roughly
to
the
southeast.
And
then,
if
you
head
up
here
that
gets
you
to
235,
there's
the
come
and
go:
that's
there.
You
get
up
to
Drake,
eventually
so
just
trying
to
set
that
context
a
little
bit
of
where
we're
at
here's
the
site
photos
taken
about
a
week
ago.
So
in
the
previous
image
you
did
see
that
there
was
a
building
there,
a
large
paved
lot
that
has
since
been
removed.
So.
Currently
the
site
is
vacant,
it's
undeveloped.
D
So
this
is
what
it
looks
like.
Currently,
this
is
from
the
south,
so
this
is
at
the
corner
of
Keo
and
12th.
Looking
to
the
South,
you
see
the
Methodist
Hospital
in
the
back
and
then
here's
a
kind
of
an
up
above
you
up
from
the
hill,
that's
adjacent
to
Methodist
Hospital,
we're
looking
North
now,
so
you
can
see
basically
an
area
of
the
site.
You
can
see
some
of
the
development
context
that
suggests
to
the
north
of
this
site,
see
the
streets
bounding.
D
The
site
in
you
can
also
see
some
of
the
gray
change
a
little
bit
as
well.
Something
I
do
want
to
point
out
is:
is
this
development
here?
This
is
the
City
View
34
Townhomes
project
I,
think
that
you
can
draw
a
lot
of
parallels
to
what
is
being
proposed
at
this
site
to
this
one
they're,
not
exactly
the
same,
but
I
I
think
that
might
come
up
a
little
bit
in
some
of
the
discussion
tonight.
D
So
I
did
want
to
point
that
out
a
little
bit
so
here's
the
layout
plan
we'll
be
coming
back
to
this
sheet
a
lot,
but
just
a
Crux
of
what's
being
proposed
here.
There's
seven
buildings
buildings
ranging
from
four
units
all
the
way
up
to
seven
units,
so
you
can
see
that
there
are
four
buildings
that
will
be
fronting
the
the
public
Street
frontages
as
well
as
building
F.
That
would
also
have
a
a
unit
that
would
front
the
street
that
would
be
Center
Street
in
the
southwestern
corner
of
the
site.
D
So
all
the
units
would
have
two
car
garages
that
would
be
accessed
internally,
so
there
are
no
garages
that
would
be
accessed
from
any
of
the
streets,
and
this
is
a
private
Street
Network.
So
it's
not
a
public
Street
Network.
It's
really
private
drives
they're
narrower
than
a
traditional
public
Street.
D
So
I'm
going
to
walk
through
a
few
of
the
site
sheets
here,
just
a
landscaping
sheet
for
reference.
I
know
a
lot
of
times.
People
like
to
look
at
that
to
see
maybe
after
some
of
the
Landscaping
has
been
added.
What
is
this
going
to
look
like
class?
A
sidewalk
is
required
to
be
installed.
This
is
a
development
at
DX
zoning
District.
So
when
we
talk
about
class,
a
sidewalk
that
means
with
the
tree
beds
the
street
trees.
Things
like
that
The
Hardscape,
that's
from
the
curb
through
the
right-of-way.
D
So
that
is
something
that's
required
that
they
will
will
be
required
to
install
as
part
of
this,
and
you
can
see
some
of
the
private
green
spaces
as
well.
That
are
internal
to
the
site.
One
thing
I
did
want
to
point
out
too
and
I'll
go
back
a
couple
slides
here.
There
is
a
fence:
that's
proposed
to
basically
enclose
the
property,
that's
one
of
the
design,
Alternatives,
that's
on
the
docket
tonight,
I!
Just
if
you
follow
my
cursor
here,
you'll
see
the
outline
of
the
fence.
So
this
is
a
six
foot
tall
fence.
D
That's
really
going
to
enclose
the
buildings
and
and
enclose
the
site,
so
we'll
talk
about
that
in
more
detail
later.
But
that's
a
is
a
key
site
element.
I
did
want
to
bring
up,
so
here
are
some
renderings
of
what
we
got
proposed.
So
these
aren't
like
the
detailed
elevations.
But
oh
excuse
me,
these
are
some
of
the
just
general
views
of
what
some
of
the
entryways
are
going
to
look
like.
D
Here's
some
floor
plans,
so
I
just
want
to
dig
into
that
base.
There's
really
two.
The
Crux
of
it
is
there's
really
two
floor
plans
that
are
proposed.
We
have
a
floor
plan,
that's
really
for
the
units
they're
going
to
be
interior
to
site
not
facing
those
public
streets,
so
they
have
their
own
floor
plan,
and
so
that's
what
we're
looking
at
here
so
just
to
break
it
down.
So
this
with,
if
you
can
see
my
cursor
where
it's
outlined
here.
So
this
is
that
that
ground
floor
that
garage
floor.
D
So
we
do
have
the
garages
that
that
dominate
the
bottom
floor
here
and
then
behind.
That
is
a
den
area
like
a
study
type
space.
As
you
transition
up,
you
have
bedroom
areas
and
then
on
the
third
floor
is
some
living
areas.
So
a
kitchen
living
room
things
like
that,
and
then
they
are
proposing
to
have
rooftop
spaces
that
will
be
accessed
by
the
residents.
So
these
are
for
all
the
units
that
are
internal
to
the
site,
so
just
to
rehash
that
again,
that
would
be
Building
E,
building,
F
Building
G
internally
here.
D
So
all
of
those
are
proposed
to
have
the
same
layout
and
then
there's
a
different
layout
for
these
ones
that
are
facing
the
street
I'm
about
to
walk
through
that,
and
so
that
would
be
this
one
that
we're
looking
at
here.
So
here's
your
front
stoop
your
front
entryway,
we
got
your
Den
space
in
the
front,
got
the
garage
back
behind
it,
which
is
accessed
from
that
private
Drive.
Here's
that
second
floor
with
a
pretty
similar
layout
with
the
bedrooms
and
the
bathroom
space
and
then
on
the
third
floor.
D
We've
got
the
living
room
in
the
kitchen
and
then
that
rooftop
space,
as
well
so
relatively
similar
in
terms
of
their
layouts,
but
the
the
big
thing
is,
is
the
orientation
that
garage.
So
it's
flipped
for
the
units
that
are
internal
versus
the
units
that
are
going
to
be
running
the
street
frontages.
D
Here's
some
elevations,
so
I
didn't
post
them
all
to
the
presentation
because
they
do
kind
of
get
redundant.
They
are
pretty
much.
The
same.
I
did
want
to
draw
attention
to
to
this
one
right
here,
so
this
is
building
F.
If
you
recall
this
is
the
building.
That
is
going
to
be
basically
perpendicular
to
Center
Street,
so
this
building
F
unit
one
is,
is
bearing
the
brunt
of
two
of
the
design
alternative
requests
that
are
in
play
tonight
so
to
the
design.
D
Alternative
requests
specifically
involve
this
facade
here,
so
one
of
the
requests
was
that
there
was
no
entryway
that
was
provided,
so
that
is,
that
is
a
form
of
relief
that
they
are
seeking
tonight,
as
well
as
the
overall
transparency
for
each
both
the
first
and
the
second
story.
So
lock
we'll
come
back
to
it,
but
lock
this
one
in
your
mind,
because
this
is
two
of
the
requests
for
relief
tonight-
are
related
specifically
this
unit
for
unit
f.
D
But
really
these
units
here
or
this
drawing
here
shows
the
the
front
elevations
of
the
Interior
type
unit.
So
just
a
little
bit
more
detail
in
terms
of
the
materials
breakdown,
Etc
of
those
interior
facing
units
Central
to
the
site
and
then
here's
more
of
a
breakdown
of
the
street
facing
units.
So
you
can
see
the
front
doors,
the
Stoops,
and
then
these
are
the
garages
that
are
on
the
back
so
again,
they're
not
accessed
from
the
street.
They
would
be
accessed
from
private
Drive.
D
So
thinking
about
some
of
the
design
Alternatives,
so
the
first
design
alternative
request
was
for
the
rear
setback.
So
with
this
site
we
talked
about
a
little
bit
before
it's
got
some
weird.
It's
got
three
street
frontages,
so
it's
got
the
one
on
Center.
It's
got
the
one
on
12
and
it's
got
the
one
on
Keo
per
how
we
interpret
the
planning
and
design
ordinance
each
site.
It's
got
to
have
a
rear
yard
or
a
backyard,
as
you
would
call
more
colloquially
really
with
this
site.
D
D
The
setback
criteria
was
evaluated,
utilizing
that
West
property
line
as
a
rear
property
line
I
think
the
applicant
did
effectively
point
out
that
it
really
it
kind
of
feels
like
a
side
property
line
in
a
lot
of
ways,
and
so,
as
staff
we've
looked
at
this,
the
rear
setback
requirement
is
20
feet.
But
with
this
feel
of
a
that,
this
West
property
line
is
more
of
a
side
property
line
and
then
also
really
we're
developing
more
of
an
urban
context.
D
Staff
felt
it
was
appropriate
to
to
Grant
the
relief
of
a
five-foot
setback
from
the
West
property
line
for
both
of
those
buildings.
That
line
up
next
to
that
staff
also
wants
to
note,
too,
that
the
side
yard
setback
for
a
road
style
development
to
adjacent
properties
is
five
feet,
so
we
do
think
that
it
is,
it
does
conform
generally
meets
the
intent
of
the
ordinance
in
that
way,
so
for
the
rear
setback
for
the
for
the
units
building,
F
and
Building
G
they're
going
to
be
basically
paralleling
that
West
property
line.
D
We
support
that
request
for
a
five
yard
setback
as
opposed
to
what
the
code
calls
for,
which
is
20
feet
next
design
I'll
turn
up.
I
want
to
get
into
I
want
to
dig
into
is
that
width
between
buildings
so
per
the
ordinance
they're
required
to
have
10
feet
between
buildings?
There's
a
couple
of
buildings
that
are
spaced
about
five
and
a
half
feet
apart.
D
So
there's
not
they're
not
really
able
to
get
kind
of
an
administrative
recourse
with
that,
so
they
did
have
to
request
that
waiver
of
that
first
thing
that
we
wanted
to
note
with
that
is
that
that
five
and
a
half
foot
separation
it
does
meet
building
and
fire
code
requirements.
So
there's
not
really
like
a
life
safety
issue
when
they're
applying
for
permits
later
on,
there's
not
really
going
to
be
an
issue
with
that
for
the
residential
code
for
the
Row
Housing
typology,
it
does
meet
those
those
separation
requirements,
so
a
staff.
D
We
thought
that
was
appropriate
to
grant
that
relief
in
that
way
and
then
also
too
something
that
I
think
our
ordinance
really
encourages
is
that
we
really
encourage
to
maximize
that
primary
Frontage
coverage
and
so
spacing
those
units
closer
together
does
set
a
little
bit
more
of
an
edge
along
the
street
frontages,
and
so,
if
there
were
space
farther
apart,
you
lose
a
little
bit
of
that
element,
and
so
we
were
supportive
of
that.
So
we
were
supportive
of
that
request
for
the
spacing
of
the
units
to
be
less
than
10
feet.
D
Third
design
alternative
request:
I
want
to
talk
about
is
that
occupied
space
requirement,
and
so
I
just
want
to
explain
the
intent
of
this
requirement
a
little
bit.
So
when
we
talk
about
occupied
space,
what
that
means
is
is
that
that
space
is
going
to
be
utilized
by
people.
So
it's
not
storage
areas.
It's
not
a
garage.
It's
really
a
space,
that's
going
to
be
used
throughout
the
day
by
the
building
users
by
guests.
Things
like
that.
Really,
this
comes
into
play.
D
A
lot
more
with
I,
don't
want
to
get
too
off
track,
but
like
with
more
like
Warehouse
style
developments,
people
are
putting
garage
doors
at
the
street,
but
there's
also
a
requirement
for
Road
buildings
as
well,
and
so
really
the
intent
of
this
was
that
we
we
don't
want
garages,
basically
fronting
the
street.
What
it's
proposed
here
and
I'll
go
back
to
the
floor
plans.
You
can
see
it
so
particularly
with
Street
facing
units.
D
So
with
that
first
floor
they
do
have
these
dens
here
that
are
fronting
the
street
and
they
do
have
a
Frontage
that
does
meet
the
transparency
requirements
of
our
coat.
But
this
is
not
deep
enough
per
the
code
requirements,
so
there's
a
20-foot
requirement
here.
What
they're
showing
is
about
nine
feet,
but
generally
staff.
We
looked
at
this.
D
One
there
is
not
a
pro
there's,
not
a
proposed
entry
that
is
facing
the
street,
so
this
building
here,
basically
it's
it's
perpendicular
to
Center,
Street
and
really
it's
well
the
width.
The
way
it's
laid
out.
It's
really
just
continuing
that
same
template
that
the
applicant
is
proposing
for
that
row
of
that
row
of
buildings
and
I'll
go
back
to
the
site
plans.
D
You
can
visualize
that
a
little
bit
better,
so
really
just
kind
of
continuing
that
existing
pattern
with
the
garage,
the
entryway
and
just
copying
that
all
the
way
down,
and
so
we
understand
that
that
the
the
applicant
they
do
have
their
template
with
that.
We
understand
that
that
you
know
they
have.
They
want
to
try
to
maximize
the
efficiencies
with
developing
this
property,
but
at
the
same
time
as
staff.
D
We
think
that
this
is
an
urban
context
and
we
think
that
they
need
to
respond
a
little
bit
better
to
that,
and
we
also
understand
too.
There
are
some
geometric
challenges
at
the
site.
There's
multiple
frontages
there's
some
topographic
issues,
but
at
the
same
time
we
do
think
that
one
of
the
units
can
be
altered
to
place
a
door
and
then
also
increase
some
of
the
transparency
along
that
street.
D
And
so
we
really
think
that
if
there's
going
to
be
a
unit,
that's
going
to
be
on
the
street
like
that
in
the
bill
to
Zone
that
it
should
have
a
door,
and
so
that
is
Staff
does
not
support
that
request,
and
so
we
can
dig
into
that
a
little
bit
more.
But
that's
really
the
basis
of
that
recommendation.
D
Pretty
similarly
and
I'll
go
to
the
the
elevation.
So
we
can
look
at
this
again
in
a
similar
vein.
Along
with
this
building
F
unit,
one
the
requirement
for
transparency
or
glazing
Windows
per
story,
it's
got
to
be
20
per
store.
So,
on
this
first
floor
here,
what
they're,
showing
is,
is
approximately
13
and
on
the
second
floor,
it's
about
11
percent
and
again
staff.
We
we
looked
at
the
floor
plans
of
what
are
proposed.
D
We
know
that
it
might
be
tough
to
meet
that
20
requirement
based
on
the
template
that
the
applicant
is
using,
but
we
still
feel
that
there
is
a
way
where
maybe
a
window
can
be
added.
Some
of
these
windows
could
be
expanded,
potentially
to
more
meet
the
intent
of
this
requirement
really
and
again,
to
really
Foster
that
the
social,
as
well
as
the
architectural
engagement
of
the
the
development
with
the
street.
This
is
a
new
development.
D
We
want
to
try
to
set
the
context
in
terms
of
how
it
responds
in
a
downtown
context
that
has
a
relatively
High
degree
of
walkability
I.
Don't
think
anybody
would
say
that
Keo
is
the
best
street
to
walk
on
in
our
city,
but
really
that
area
it's
still
downtown
and
we
still
would
like
to
promote
a
pedestrian
type
atmosphere
so
adding
a
door
along
Center
Street
as
well
as
well
as
increasing
the
transparency,
basically
just
slightly
altering.
D
What
is
proposed,
we
think
that
would
really
meet
the
intent
of
the
ordinance,
so
that
was
the
basis
of
our
recommendation
and
then
particularly
with
the
door
piece.
I
did
want
to
show
some
examples
of
other
developments
that
are
recent
or
downtown
adjacent.
That
really
illustrate
this
point
and
were
able
to
meet
the
intent
of
the
requirement.
So
right
here,
this
is
the
oh
excuse
me.
So
this
is
Pinnacle
on
floor
development.
It's
a
little
bit.
D
So
there
it
was
a
road,
it's
a
row,
style
development
and
they
are
proposing
kind
of
similar
to
the
site.
They've
got
the
main
street
here
and
then
they
have
an
internal
Street
Network.
This
is
set
a
little
bit
further
back
off
the
street,
but
with
these
units
that
really
are
functionally
oriented
towards
the
interior
of
the
site,
they
were
still
able
to
provide
a
door
that
would
be
facing
floor
drive
so
kind
of
laid
out
very
similar
to
what
we're
looking
at
now.
D
So
I
did
want
to
point
out
that
example,
other
example
I
just
want
to
use
is
something
a
little
more
recent.
So
this
is
the
site
plan
we're
looking
at
here.
This
is
the
Elevate
town
homes
on
Winona,
near
south
side
of
downtown
dealing
with
some
pretty
heavy
grade
change
going
up.
The
hill
people
are
familiar,
Monona,
Avenue
and
so
Rose
style
development.
Again
they've
got
these
internal
drives.
D
So
this
is
just
an
image.
So
this
is
the
Brownstones
on
Seventh.
Don't
really
have
a
site
sketch
that
I
want
to
show
you
but
I
go
by
this
site,
all
the
time
and
I
just
wanted
to
show
that
they
were
able
to
basically
Orient
a
door
and
kind
of
slightly
adjust
their
their
floor
plan
or
their
unit
layout
so
that
they
could
engage
with
that
primary
street.
So
just
a
in
action
shot.
Basically
to
show
you
guys
what
we're
really
asking
for
in
this
scenario.
D
D
So,
just
looking
at
the
layout
plan
here,
so
there
are
there's
an
existing
above
ground
utility
pole
and
if
you,
if
you've
got
a
computer,
if
you
want
to
look
at
the
street
view,
you
can
see
it,
but
it's
really.
It's
in
this
Northwestern
corner
of
the
site,
there's
an
existing
pole,
a
telecommunications
pedestal
and
then
a
couple
of
lines
that
shoot
off
of
that.
D
The
applicant
has
requested
waiver
of
the
request
to
underground
those
lines,
so,
basically,
as
as
is
protocol
for
all
of
our
site
plan
review,
when
we
have
above
ground
utilities
that
at
least
initially
aren't
shown
to
be
placed
underground,
we
engage
with
the
applicants
and
we
ask
them
hey.
Is
this
something
you're
planning
on
doing?
And
it's
really
something
that
we
want
to
investigate
during
all
site
plan
reviews
all
types
of
projects,
and
so
as
staff
we
did
that
we
engaged
with
the
applicant
we
engaged
with
Mid-American.
We
got
some
preliminary
information
back.
D
That
stated
yes,
based
on
the
scope
of
this
development,
it's
a
large
scale,
Redevelopment,
there's
going
to
be
some
service
upgrades
at
this
property,
based
on
the
assumption
that
we
can
bring
power
into
the
site
from
the
south.
That
would
basically
render
this
above
ground
infrastructure
here,
you're
Obsolete
and
it
can
be
removed.
It
functionally
would
not
really
be
needed
anymore
at
the
site.
D
So
that
was
the
preliminary
information
that
we
got.
However,
kind
of
more
information
has
been
uncovered
that
we
didn't
really
get
a
full
I
guess,
a
full
engineering
diagnosis
from
Mid-American.
They
hadn't
really
sent
people
out
into
the
field
to
examine
some
of
the
practicalities
of
bringing
power
in
from
the
south,
and
so
while
we
have
this
assumption,
that
Mid-America
was
able
to
provide
power
from
the
south
and
really
render
this
this
overhead
infrastructure
obsolete.
D
It's
not
something
that
we
had
a
confirmation
on,
and
so
as
staff
we
initially
had
a
recommendation
to
just
completely
deny
the
design
alternative
requests
to
bury
the
lines.
But
we
have
since
found
out
some
information
about
some
telecommunications
lines
in
the
area
and
really
really
had
an
incomplete
information
for
Mid-American.
And
so
we
have
since
softened
that
stance
and
we
are
still
recommending
denial
of
the
waiver,
but
subject
to
additional
information
that
is
procured
both
from
the
applicant
as
well
as
Mid-American.
In
terms
of
some
of
the
cost
and
feasibility
estimates.
F
And
just
to
clarify
we're
recommending
denial,
but
there
is
provision
in
the
code.
It
allows
type
1
alternatives
for
utilities.
There's
criteria
in
there
we're
just
pointing
out
that
if
it
hits
any
of
that
criteria,
we
will
consider
a
future
request
based
off
of
new
information.
So
it's
not
really
a
part
of
the
action
before
the
commission.
D
Thanks
Jason,
and
so
these
are
the
type
one
criteria
that
Jason
was
just
referencing.
So
if
you
want
to
take
a
look
at
that,
it's
it's
a
host
of
items
such
as
the
cost
provision
that
I
think
we
have
talked
about
a
lot
that
10
cost
as
well
as
basically
feasibility.
So
is
it
going
to
impact
surrounding
properties?
Are
we
going
to
disrupt
service?
Are
there
physical
constraints
and
So,
based
on
the
information
that
we
have?
We
have
preliminary
information
that
that
would
suggest
that
yeah.
D
D
D
So
again,
I'll
use
my
cursor
to
really
trace
the
path
of
that
fence.
So
it
starts
here
in
that
South
West
corner
and
then
is
going
to
skip
over
to
the
east
with
a
vehicular
gate.
Here
continue
across
and
then
end
and
then
it'll
start
up
again
where
the
building
ends
and
then
connect
to
the
other
building
fall
across
here
and
then
ultimately
go
Point
towards
the
northwest
corner
of
the
site
and
then
encircle
the
site
so
that
they
are
proposing
to
enclose
the
site
at
the
big
issue.
D
That
staff
has
with
this
is
that
it's
a
six
foot
tall
fence
per
the
ordinance
fences
in
the
front
yard
are
only
allowed
to
be
three
feet
tall
as
staff.
We
we
talked
about
this
a
lot
and
really
there
was
a
couple
different
perspectives
that
we
talked
about
when
trying
to
write
this
recommendation
or
trying
to
write
this
report,
I.
D
And
given
this
downtown
context,
there's
been
a
a
pretty
good
effort
to
engage
with
the
street
with
a
lot
of
these
row,
homes
there's
some
unique
geometries
to
the
site
that
have
made
it
hard
to
situate
them
wrapping
corners
and
things
like
that
and
we've
worked
for
the
applicant
to
really
try
to
hit
into
that.
But
we
think
that
the
defense
is
contrary
to
some
of
that
pla,
especially
placing
it
close
to
The
Pedestrian
area.
It
really
creates
kind
of
a
wall,
and
it's
really
is
not
appropriate
for
a
walkable
area
like
downtown.
D
This
is
a
DX
zoning
District.
It's
got
downtown
future
land
use
plan
designation,
and
so
we
don't
think
it's
appropriate
necessarily
to
support
a
six
foot
tall
fence,
particularly
in
a
front
yard
where
it
would
be
bordering
upon
some
pedestrian
areas
and
then
also
too
just
with
the
precedent
and
contextually
in
terms
of
the
fences
that
we
have
approved
before.
D
There
is
not
really
any
similar
type
development
that
has
a
six
foot
tall
fence
in
a
front
yard
and
so
I
did
want
to
show
some
examples
of
other
fencing
with
downtown
adjacent
and
row
style.
Developments
that
look
kind
of
similar
to
what
we're
looking
at
tonight,
so
I'll
scroll
to
those,
and
we
can
take
a
look
at
them.
D
So
now
we've
already
looked
at
this
image,
but
this
is
this
is
a
four
foot
tall
fence
and
this
is
an
example
of
something
that
at
staff
we
would
like
to
see
if,
if
the
applicants
would
like
to
put
a
fence
in
the
front
yard
of
their
site,
I
think
also
something
to
note
too
I
did
State
before
the
the
maximum
per
the
ordinance
is
three
feet,
but
staff
I
think
we've
shown
a
willingness.
We
can
be
a
little
bit
flexible
with
that
we
can
bump
it
up
to
four
feet.
D
We
could
approve
that
as
a
type
one
design
alternative.
If
that's,
we
did
feel
that
that
was
appropriate.
So
I
did
want
to
point
that
out
again,
but
this
would
be
an
example
of
a
similar
style
fence
that
the
staff
at
support,
but
the
the
six
foot
would
just
be
too
tall,
particularly
adjacent
to
pedestrian
areas.
Here's
the
fence,
detail
that
was
provided
by
the
applicant
I
know.
I
didn't
point
that
out
earlier,
but
just
to
I
guess
give
you
an
image.
It's
pretty
similar
to
the
one
that's
shown
here.
D
D
That's
a
four
foot
fence
I
was
going
to
show
that
image.
Yes,
so
the
City
View
development
that
Dan
is
referencing.
That
has
a
fence
that
encircles
the
site
and
that's
four
feet.
So
that's
really
directly
the
adjacent
context
here
and
so
staff.
We
did
consider
that
pretty
heavily
when,
when
writing
this
recommendation,
do.
D
D
A
D
Up
to
30,
so
at
this
with
this
specific
site,
it'd
be
20.
Well,
20
is
the
standard
they
could
get
it
down
to.
14
staff
could
administratively
approve
that
we
haven't
really
discussed
that
necessarily,
but
it
would
be.
14
would
be
within
the
type
1
range
to
get
administrative
administratively
approved.
T
D
So
a
lot
of
that
has
centered
around,
like
I
said
where
the
like,
the
originator
of
where
the
power
is
going
to
come
into
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
trying
to
speak
for
Mid-American,
necessarily,
but
basically
paraphrasing
what
they
had
told
us
with
the
with
the
site,
the
design
of
the
site.
They
have
indicated
that
you
know
they
could
be
able
to
enter
the
site
from
the
south.
The
infrastructure,
that's
in
the
northwest
corner
of
the
site,
would
then
be
obsolete.
It
could
be
removed,
that's
not
100
confirmed
yet.
D
The
other
thing
that's
important
to
know
that
they're
comms
lines,
telecommunications
services
that
are
associated
with
that
poll
and
that
line
that
is
in
that
northwest
corner
of
the
site.
We
don't
necessarily
know
where
all
that
goes.
It's
not
it's
not
mapped.
So
we
have
kind
of
incomplete
information
about
with
that.
O
F
D
That
right,
so
no,
we
are
recommending
an
offense
we're
not
supporting
them
yeah.
So
it's
it's
the
setback,
the
separation
of
the
buildings,
the
eight
feet
of
occupied
Space
versus
the
20
that
would
be
required.
We
have
the
salt
I'll,
call
it
a
soft
denial
of
the
overhead
utilities,
and
then
we
are
recommending
denial
of
the
entrance,
the
lack
of
an
entrance,
the
transparency
on
that
building
F
unit,
one
on
that
first
and
second
floor
and
then
the
fence
as
well
all
right
so
I
think
that's,
probably
a
good
stopping
point.
D
O
E
V
T
D
D
W
Guys,
my
name
is
Mike
I'm.
The
applicant.
My
address
is
215
East
3rd
Street,
Des
Moines,
Suite
200.,
thanks
for
the
consideration,
so
the
seven
points
on
the
list
on
the
agenda.
Sorry
for
having
so
many
items,
I
appreciate
the
big
three
that
the
staff
supporting
because
they're
the
big,
the
big
three
to
me.
W
So
I
won't
talk
about
those
unless
you
guys
have
specific
questions
on
those
the
four
items
that
staff
are
not
supportive
right
now
we
are
okay
with
honestly
two
of
them
we're
final
defense
to
go
to
four
foot.
We
would
prefer
six,
but
four
foot
is
not
a
deal
breaker
for
us.
So
if
we
were
allowed
to
have
approval
for
four
foot
fence,
we
would
definitely
say
no
problem.
We
are
also
would
like
to
bury
the
overhead
power
lines
with
the
only
reason
we
had
it
on
the
agenda
item.
W
They
thought
that
that
overhead
line
may
serve
a
property
all
the
way
down
on
Oak
Ridge
Drive,
that
if
that
line
had
to
come
down
they're
coming
to
us
would
we
would
have
to
then
pay
to
get
new
power
to
that
property
on
Oak
Ridge
Drive
around
the
neighborhood,
which
would
be
a
significant
cost
if
we
didn't
want
to
have
to
to
spend.
But
we
are
supportive
and
we
would
very
much
like
to
have
the
overhead
power
line
removed
from
the
site
for
sure.
W
So
out
of
the
four
items,
two
of
them
we
are
supportive
of
as
well
that
that
have
been
declined.
Then
that
comes
to
the
problem.
Child
building,
F
I,
think
it
is,
and
the
unit
that
faces
the
South.
So
our
property
actually
has
14
feet
of
grade
differential
from
this
corner.
Being
the
high
point
to
12th
and
Q,
so
there's
14
feet
differential
that
we're
trying
to
fit
on
this
property
and
accommodate
with
Ada
access
and
great
image
and
drainage
and
different
floor
plans.
W
So
this
is
the
one
unit
that
does
not
meet
the
primary
access
to
the
street
or
the
20
transparency.
It's
it's.
We've
done
everything
in
our
power.
We
feel
like
to
try
to
make
the
overall
site
function
and
get
as
many
units
on
the
site
as
possible,
and
this
is
the
one
problem
child
that
we
have
not
been
able
to
come
up
with
a
solution
to
achieve
that.
We
have.
W
The
our
architect
here
in
civil
engineer,
can
get
more
technical
I
can
tell
you
that
at
the
straight
line
right
here
there
is
a
two
foot
differential
from
the
sidewalk
to
the
Finish
floor,
elevation
of
that
unit.
So
if
we
were
to
put
in
a
door,
there
would
then
need
to
be
a
retaining
wall
installed
and
I.
Just
don't
personally,
if
that
was
my
unit,
I,
wouldn't
want
to
have
access
from
the
street
going
down
into
a
retaining
wall
like
a
window
well
to
get
into
my
unit.
W
We
have
out
of
that
window
that
you
see
there
on
the
bottom.
It's
about
a
13
foot
wide
window
that
looks
into
a
garage,
but
we
are
trying
to
increase
the
transparency
there
I
think
we're
at
about
13
and
not
the
14,
so
we're
close.
Maybe
we
could
make
one
of
those
windows
fractionally
bigger
to
get
to
that
14,
maybe
get
to
that
type
one.
But
that's
the
big
difficult
challenge
for
us
is
how
do
we
get
into
that
unit
when
we
do
have
two
feet
of
elevation
change
at
the
back
of
that
unit?
W
W
W
H
E
W
W
F
F
P
X
W
H
E
X
So
flipping
flipping
on
wood
definitely
put
us
in
a
pinch
point
of
then
we're
putting
the
stair
Tower
towards
the
street.
I
I
feel
even
less
confident
about
hitting
that
close
to
the
14
on
each
story.
In
order
to
get
the
transparency,
because
you're
going
to
have
that
stair
that's
going
to
cut
through
there
and
the
opportunities
in
which
we
can
punch
windows.
E
X
X
A
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
wishes
to
speak
in
favor
of
this
item
is
anyone
else
here:
okay,
okay,
I
couldn't
see,
it
looks
like
maybe
someone's
back
there.
It's
a
jacket
yeah,
but
I
can't
see
it.
So
all
right,
I
I'm,
just
gonna
CL.
Unless
anyone
has
any
questions,
I'll
close
the
public
hearing
and
Commissioners.
T
I
have
a
question
for
staff
and
I
think
thanks
to
to
will
for
bringing
this
up.
But
if
we're
talking
about
a
two-car
garage
per
unit,
and
if
we
look
at
the
entrance
to
this
development,
it
doesn't
seem
quite
right
to
have
a
one
car
cue
when
we
have
that
turn
right
at
12th.
Street
that
we're
gonna
have
cars,
be
queued
up
to
go
into
their
own
places.
F
D
F
E
Let's
make
one
more
clarification:
I
mean
if
I'm,
understanding
or
underground
your
requirement.
Now
all
they
have
to
basically
is
say
because
we're
not
within
the
overlay
for
now
in
the
overlay,
they
just
say
yeah.
This
impacts,
someone,
it's
not
a
requirement
anyway.
Is
that
accurate
they
don't
really
have
to
underground.
Do
they.
F
Yeah
yeah
they
do
all
we're
saying
is
that
they
may
more
information
be
may
be
made
available
when
they
actually
have
a
cost
estimate
that
might
lead
staff
to
issue
a
type
one
I
I
doubt
it's
going
to
be
more
than
10
percent
of
their
budget
project
budget.
But
if
you
looked
in
the
updated
staff
report,
there
was
a
whole
yellow
section.
That,
basically,
is
where
we
took
the
criteria.
E
F
F
The
project
budget
or
then
there's
discussion
about
its
impact
on
other
property
owners,
I
think
what
the
applicant
was
saying
is
he
at
one
point
he
was
under
the
impression
or
Been
Told
that
this
poll,
taking
it
down
my
impact
that
a
joint
property
owner,
but
we've
continued
to
have
Nick,
had
a
meeting
with
the
applicant
and
the
Mid-American
person
that
we
work
with
and
clarified
a
lot
of
that
information.
There's
still
more
information
to
you
know
be
analyzed.
F
H
A
A
E
So
I
guess:
let's
go
under
the
report
outs
for
committees,
so
back
on
February
3rd,
we
were
able
to
start
a
committee
on
a
strategy
subcommittee
and
with
the
goal
of
that
to
actually
identify
a
document
for
everyone
to
review,
which
was
intended
to
identify
what
the
strategies
are,
that
City
staff
is
using
and
making
their
determinations.
The
purpose
of
this
is
I
sort
of
identified
the
time
actually
tonight
is
a
perfect
example
of
why
it's
very,
very
important.
E
You
know
within
our
team,
in
our
work
you
know:
we've
got
13
people
on
a
team
with
243
tasks
across
13
active
projects
and
we've
got
at
least
eight
people
they're
constantly
asking
for
oh
do
this
first.
Do
that
to
first
do
that?
First,
if
we
don't
have
a
clear
articable
strategy
of
what
we're
looking
to
achieve
we're
going
to
have
everyone
pulled
in
every
direction
in
order
to
help
make
sure
individuals
are
able
to
use
their
time
effectively
and
understand
what
is
the
most
important
thing,
understanding
what
our
overarching
organizational
strategy
is.
E
Incredibly
important.
I
can
note
it
on
February
3rd.
You
know
it
was
echoing
a
discussion
where
you
know:
City
staff
has
said:
hey,
we've
got
tons
of
stuff,
people
are
always
saying
hey.
This
is
most
important
and
this
is
important.
We've
got
50
priorities
per
day
in
order
to
help
us
understand
or
help
I
guess
staff
in
a
lot
of
ways
know
this
is
what's
most
important
number
one.
E
This
is
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
number
two
and
number
three:
how
do
we
actually
go
and
develop
decisions
that
are
going
to
avoid
anyone
supporting
legally
arbitrary
decisions,
helping
identify?
What
is
the
strategy
we're
using
would
be
important.
What
we've
done
is
tried
to
do
our
best
to
observe.
How
are
we
looking
at
the
manner
in
which
we
take
the
connector
between
here's?
What
our
goal
is
and
here's,
where
our
tasks
are?
What
is
that
strategy?
It's
actually
connector
for
us.
E
We
understand
that
staff
did
not
have
the
time
to
you
know
put
to
this,
because
this
is
sort
of
an
extra
thing.
So,
as
a
strategy
subcommittee,
we
developed
a
document
which
I'll
share
with
you
immediately
after
this,
which
is
going
to
say
this
is
what
we
believe.
The
strategies
are
pursuing
with
the
strategies
we're
pursuing
here.
This
is
how
we
identified
and
prioritize
the
tasks
that
we're
on
and
with
this
hopefully
for
us
as
plan
and
Zoning.
E
We
can
better
understand
what
is
a
bigger
picture
of
what
we
want
to
do
here
so
for
item
three
tonight.
You
know
how
does
approving
that
fit
within
our
overarching
strategy.
That's
gotten
us
to
the
goals
that
are
within
our
plan
and
the
tasks
that
we
have
to
do
there,
or
this
number
eight
here
right,
I,
love,
number,
eight
personally
I
mean
it's
one
of
those.
That's
a
very
it's!
It's
goes
to
our
higher
density
strategy.
E
It
goes
to
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
to
achieve
here,
our
goal
of
higher
density,
walkable
communities.
You
know
how
we
look
at
this
is
dictate
how
we
actually
plan
to
get
there
from
our
tasks
to
our
goals,
so
we'll
send
out
what
we've
written
the
goal
of
this
document.
Please
look
at
it
and
identify
whether
or
not
you
agree
with
it.
If
it's
missing
something,
if
we
could
be
better
clarified
when
sending
it
tonight,
it's
a
draft
document.
E
It
is
not
an
official
document
or
anything
except
this
is
a
product
that
was
created
by
the
subcommittee.
The
only
thing
we
can
do
as
a
plan
and
Zoning
is
Aaron
Olsen
Douglas
identified
the
path
forward
here
is
that
if
we
as
a
committee,
are
able
to
develop
a
document
that
we
believe
this
represents
what
we
want
within
the
actual
plan
and
Zoning,
we
can
then
vote
to
have
the
chair
identify
in
a
letter.
E
This
is
a
document
we've
created
that
gets
sent
to
city
council
for
them
to
do
to
either
account
for
it
to
prove
it.
You
know
bless
it
whatever
you
do
with
these
documents
at
all,
but
the
goal
here
is
to
identify.
This
is
what
we
view.
Our
hope
is
when
I
send
this
is
we
can
actually
all
take
a
look
at
it
provide
feedback
back
by
17th
of
here's
where
we
I
either
you
know,
can
correct
it
to
improve
it.
This
document
it
will
allow
us
to
actually
get
to
a
document.
We
could
say
yep.
E
We
agree.
This
is
our
interpretation
of
what
the
strategies
are
that
we're
using,
and
this
is
a
basis
for
how
we
would
be
looking
at
those
edge
cases
where,
if
we
get
an
edge
case
that
seems
odd
or
weird.
How
should
we
be
thinking
about
this
in
the
broader
strategy
of
how
the
city
is
looking
at
development
within
the
city?
That's
the
goal
of
the
document.
If
we
get
to
the
point
we're
on
the
17th
you're
like
this
is
absolute
garbage.
We
can't
use
this
anyway
Sweet.
E
Let's
say
that
as
well:
we
drop
that
we
dropped
the
efforts
and
away
we
go.
But
my
number
one
goal
is
to
try
and
start
us
off
with
what
are
those
connectors
between
our
tasks
and
our
goals.
What
are
they
in
a
way
that
we
can
fully
understand
what
city
staff
where
State
staff
is
coming
from,
so
we
have
have
fewer
situations
where
we
may
be
having
discussions
that
end
Us
in
Legally
arbitrary
outcomes,
so
I'll
send
that
by
email
to
everyone,
please
feel
free
to.
E
You
know
give
a
ring
or
any
questions
but
again,
I've
put
in
there
some
Target
deadlines
and
we'd
love
to
hit
if
we
can
to
allow
at
the
end
of
the
day
the
end
goal
is.
Can
we
have
the
chair
if
we
agree
send
a
letter
to
the
city
council
that
says
this
document
is
something
that
we
believe
reflects
our
understanding
of
the
strategies
being
implemented
at
the
city
with
respect
to
development
right.