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From YouTube: 6-16-22 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, June 16, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
B
Welcome
to
the
june
16
2022
meeting
of
the
city
of
des
moines
plan
and
zoning
commission,
I
will
first
read
the
rules
and
procedures.
The
plan
and
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plats.
Unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
for
details
on
council
hearings.
B
Applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
to
be
germaine
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
B
Number
three:
a
request
from
hubble
realty,
represented
by
steve
mosley
for
the
following
property
bounded
by
murphy
street
southwest
9th
and
southwest
8th
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
rezoning
is
in
conformance
with
planned,
dsm,
rezoned
property
from
p1
public
civic
and
institutional
district
to
dxr
downtown
district
to
allow
development
of
town
homes.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item?
B
Future
land
use
classification
from
medium
density,
residential
to
community
mixed
use,
rezoned
property
from
nx2
neighborhood
mix
district
to
rx2
mixed
use
district
to
allow
two-story
building
edition
for
expansion
of
office
use.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item
all
right?
B
We
will
hear
it
on
public
hearing
number
five:
a
request
from
tnc
property
investments
represented
by
thomas
wong
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
site
plan
tom's,
auto
sales
reconditioning
center.
For
type
2
design,
alternatives
for
property
at
1440
maury
street
to
allow
garage
loading,
entrances
entrances
on
the
primary
facade
of
the
proposed
workshop
warehouse
type
building,
where
it
is
only
allowed
on
the
rear
or
interior
side
facade.
B
There
is
one
other
item
being
considered
for
consent.
Tonight.
Number
eight
is
a
request
from
fred
jackson
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
property
at
3363,
ridgeview
drive
for
type
2
design,
alternatives
to
allow
a
driveway
expansion
that
exceeds
the
maximum
allowed
front
yard.
B
The
applicant
and
staff
are
in
agreement.
The
affected
neighbor
is
also
in
support.
Is
there
a
motion
from
the
commissioners
to
move
this
to
consent,
I'll
move
to
consent?
Thank
you,
dory
we'll
move
this
to
consent
and
we
have
to
vote
on
that
right,
yeah,
okay,
so
all
in
favor
of
moving
number
eight
to
consent.
Please
raise
your
right
hand.
B
B
All
right
and
now
we
will
move
on
to
the
public
hearing
we'll
start
with
item
number
two
which
I
already
read.
Shiroshi
will
be
presenting
this
item.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
srioshi,
chakraborty
planning
staff
just
give
me
one.
Second,
though,.
D
D
D
The
applicant
has
indicated
to
redevelop
the
site
with
approximately
38
town.
Homes
is
the
concept
that
they
have
proposed.
As
you
can
see,
the
site
is,
is
mostly
mx2.
There's
a
corner
here,
that's
mx3
and
the
proposal
is
to
rezone
it
to
dxr.
Most
of
the
areas
here
in
general
are
a
mix
of
fuses,
it's
north
of
downtown,
so
there's
mx2,
dx2,
etc
in
the
area.
D
D
Acres
and
as
you
can
see
there
are,
there
are
six
buildings
with
about
four
to
eight
units
proposed
for
each
of
the
buildings.
There
is
an
access
from
the
south
off
of
center
street
and
the
drive
aisle
goes
all
the
way
across
and
provides
access
to
all
of
the
the
units.
The
the
units
are
fronting
the
streets
on
all
directions,
so
they're
outward
facing
with
the
with
the
parking
area
in
the
back
and
there's
approximately
two.
D
D
D
The
applicant
conducted
a
neighborhood
meeting.
I
believe
they
didn't
get
any
any
attendees,
but
they
did
have
a
couple
individuals,
property
owners
that
contacted
them
and
they
provided
us
a
summary
of
of
of
what
was
discussed
mainly
they
they
had
some
questions
and
the
applicant
provided
the
information
to
to
the
to
the
cons.
The
concerned
requests
that
game
gaming
came
in.
D
So
that's
the
end
of
my
presentation
with
that.
If
you
have
any
questions
I'll
be
happy
to
take
them.
E
D
I
I
do
not
specifically
know
what
the
threshold
number
is,
but
we
refer
to
our
traffic
and
transportation
department
and
and
ensure
that
a
traffic
study
is
not
required
and
they
look
at
the
numbers.
They
look
at
the
use
and
the
amount
of
trips
that
might
be
generated
as
a
result
of
the
use
and
they
determined
that
that
they
didn't
meet
the
threshold
for
a
traffic
study.
So
it
wasn't
required.
E
D
F
The
traffic
studies
are
all
those
triggers
are
all
bet
based
off
a
trip
generation,
so
that
this
number
of
units
is
not
high
enough
to
generate
the
need
for
the
traffic
study.
It
doesn't
mean
that
when
the
actual
site
plan
comes
in
that
our
traffic
and
transportation
division
won't
look
at
the
layout
think
about
where
driveways
are
we.
I
just
want
to
throw
the
caveat
out
there
that
you
know
we
showed
their
concept,
but
there's
been
no.
That
has
not
been
reviewed
that
isn't
necessarily
exactly
what
will
get
approved.
F
It's
just
there
to
give
you
a
sense
or
a
flavor
of
what
their
their
goals
are,
but
their
site
their
layout,
their
driveway
locations.
All
those
things
will
be
looked
at
during
the
site
plan.
G
D
Yes,
the
the
applicant
shared
with
us
a
concept
they
are
at
the
rezoning
stage.
They
are
not
required.
They
are
not
required
to
share
that.
They
did
have
a
concept
so
that
definitely
helps
us
with
evaluating
it.
So,
yes,
it
is
very
much
conceptual
in
nature
and
we
haven't
made
any
comments
with
the
understanding
that,
as
they
come
in
for
site
plan
and
other
work
out
other
details,
this
concept
might
very
much
change.
F
Yeah
there's
been
no
analysis
of
135
against
this.
You
know
architecture
number
of
units
what
type
of
type
twos
they
might
need
so
yeah.
It's
just
really
about
zoning.
Today.
H
We
got
a
question
for
staff.
The
staff
report
mentioned
the
potential
for
a
request
for
a
right-of-way
vacation
south
of
the
site
yep.
Can
we
assume
that
that's
in
the
works
or
potentially
affecting
the
site
plan
layout
and
the
preliminary
plant
layout?
So
is
the
city
looking
into
vacating
that
portion
to
the
south
and
essentially
selling
it
to
the
developer.
D
So
the
traffic
and
transportation
have
indicated
that
their
long-term
goal
is
to
get
rid
of
the
southbound
slip
lane.
So
that
is
an
option
that
is
available
to
the
applicant
if
they
want
to
pursue
it.
I
did
reach
out
to
the
applicant
at
this
time:
they're
not
interested
in
pursuing
it,
but
in
the
future.
If
they
do
need
that
space
and
they
want
to
pursue
a
vacation,
they
can
come
to
the
city
to
do
that.
B
All
right
seeing
no
further
questions.
Thank
shiroshi
is
the
applicant
present
all
right.
Please
state
your
name
address.
You
have
10
minutes
and
sign
in
when
you're
done.
I
I
Bd
construction
has
purchased
the
property
they're
a
local
general
contractor.
They
will
be
the
builder
and
owner
of
the
property.
So
it
is
not
quick
trip
corporation.
That's
developing
this,
but
at
the
time
we
needed
to
make
this
middle.
That's
who
the
owner
was
so
that's,
who
had
to
sign
the
application
regarding
the
potential
right-of-way
acquisition
to
the
south
southeast
that
was
brought
up
to
us,
however,
because
there
was
about
every
utility
in
that
area
known
to
mankind,
sanitary
sewer,
storm
sewer,
water,
gas,
electric
fiber.
I
If
we
would
acquire
that
we
could
not
put
any
buildings
on
it,
so
it
wouldn't
give
us
any
more
usable
space
per
se.
So,
right
now.
B
Anyone
who
wishes
to
speak
in
opposition,
please
state
your
name
address.
You
have
five
minutes
and
sign
in
when
you're
done
speaking.
J
My
name
is
ted
oswald,
I'm
the
owner
of
the
properties
at
1221
center
and
1223
center,
which
is
just
to
the
west
of
this
location.
Overall,
I'm
not
necessarily
opposed
to
these
rezoning
situation.
The
biggest
concern
that
I
have
is
the
conceptual
plan
is,
is
really
unworkable
from
a
standpoint.
Is
the
buildings
are
planned
on
being
five
feet
away
from
my
property
line?
There's
not
near
enough
parking,
there's
no
street
parking,
so
that
means
anytime
somebody's
gonna
have
a
party
or
a
get-together
everybody's
gonna
be
parking
in
my
parking
lot.
B
K
I
spoke
with
the
traffic
and
tran
transportation
department
about
this
specific
request,
because
when
I
visited
the
site
you
can
see
along
kiyosakwa
way.
There
is
absolutely
no
parkway
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
street
and
the
cars
along
there
go.
I
don't
know
as
fast
as
they
want
or
can,
especially
when
they're
running
late,
to
get
to
work
at
the
hospital.
K
So
my
concern
and
my
question
to
mr
bogan
reef
was:
will
the
applicant
be
required
to
move
the
sidewalk
away
from
key
away,
and
he
said
yes,
that
street
trees
would
be
required
and
that
a
a
parkway
would
need
to
be
built
and
the
sidewalk
would
need
to
be
on
the
other
side
of
that.
So
that
made
me
feel
good.
K
I
also
would
strongly
encourage
the
client
to
vacate
that
slip
lane,
because
that
is
a
very
dangerous
turn
that
is
supported
to
allow
people
to
get
to
the
hospital
and
what
happens
your
your
residents
will
be
at
a
very
dangerous
intersection
if
they
want
to
every
time
they
want
to
cross
the
street
there,
because
what
that
slip
lane
does
is
it
allows
people
not
to
have
to
stop,
and
since
I
couldn't
see
any
green
space
in
the
request
in
the
sketch,
it
might
be
a
great
opportunity,
because
you
don't
know,
what's
underneath
there
to
perhaps
provide
a
little
green
space
to
the
site
rather
than
develop
it
into
another.
K
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
density
and
would
actually
because
it's
tod
think
that
you
could
have
more,
but
I
hope
that
the
applicant
does
provide
charging
stations
because
it
doesn't
appear
that
those
are
garages,
so
you
would
hopefully
think
about
common
charging
stations
that
would
be
available
for
your
applicant,
your
tenants
and
bike
racks
for
visitors.
I
don't
see
any
bike
racks
there,
which
I
would
love
to
have,
as
you
know,
and
it
didn't
state
that
there
would.
K
These
would
be
apartments
or
condos,
in
other
words
owned
by
the
an
individual
owner,
a
fee,
simple
type
of
situation,
or
if
these
were
going
to
be
apartments
and
if
either
way,
if
either
of
the
units
were
going
to
be
considered
affordable.
Those
were
the
questions
and
concerns
that
I
had
thank
you.
L
L
L
L
We
will
follow
all
of
staff's
recommendations
and
requirement
on
gear
way.
If
we
need
to
put
trees
along
there,
we
will
obviously
fit
that
through
and
follow
their
process
through
the
site
plan.
Approval.
L
We
are
considering
inside
the
parking
garage
putting
those
charging
stations
in
some
of
those
units
as
a
as
a
feature,
and
they
all
will
have
storage
rooms
on
the
ground
floor
as
well
for
bike
storage
inside
of
their
units,
we
are
considering
a
concept
for
this
project
very
similar
to
the
city
view
project,
which
is
just
up
the
street
in
keo.
They
were
for
sale.
These
will
be
for
rent,
so
that
will
be
the
main
differentia
data
between
the
two
properties,
but
very
similar
concept.
L
Three
story:
rental
townhomes
did
I
answer
all
those
questions.
B
E
Just
to
clarify
the
this
is
just
to
rezoning.
The
design
will
come
later,
there's
a
concept
for
high
density
residential,
which
makes
a
ton
of
sense
here
and
would
be
very,
very
helpful,
but
it
sounds
like
no
real
analysis
has
been
done
of
the
impact
of
what
would
be
here,
because
we're
just
rezoning
to
make
sure
that
the
option
for
multi-family
is
for
this
development.
Is
there?
Is
that
right.
F
No,
I
I
I
would
just
some
just
say
that,
yes,
we
are
looking
at
zoning
and
the
layout
the
number
of
units,
their
design,
how
they
fit
how
their
access
has
not
been
analyzed.
It's
not
part
of
tonight's
discussion,
so
if
that's
I
mean
I
just
wanna,
that's
what
I'm
thinking.
If
that
sounds
right
to
you,
then
we're
on
the
same
page.
B
B
Do
I
need
to
say
that
all
right,
yeah
well
moving
on
to
number
four,
which
I
already
read
and
bert,
will
be
presenting
yeah.
N
Item
number
four
is
a
request
to
re-zone
the
property
at
4019
and
4021
ingersoll
avenue
it's
currently
zoned
nx2,
which
is
a
multi-family
residential
district
they're,
proposing
to
rezone
it
to
rx2,
which
is
one
of
our
less
intense
commercial
districts.
I
would
point
out
that
this
property
is
the
first
parcel
on
the
north
side
of
ingersoll
avenue
coming
from
the
east.
That's
not
zoned
residential,
I'm,
sorry,
not
zoned
commercial.
Everything
east
of
here
is
already
zoned.
Rx2
so
looks
like
we're
having
the
same
problem
that
we
had
last
meeting
where
the
file
is
not
liking.
N
All
right
yeah,
so
on
the
second
page
here
you
can
see
that
the
property
immediately
to
the
east
is
already
zoned
rx2
and
then
this
parcel
and
the
parcel
next
to
it
are
zoned
nx2,
which
again
is
the
multifamily
district.
So
there's
currently
two
buildings
on
this
parcel.
There's
this
one-story
office
building
and
then
there's
a
single-family
house
behind
it.
N
These
properties
are
within
the
greenwood
platts
national,
historic
district.
So
it's
not
a
local
historic
district,
meaning
that
the
any
improvements
do
not
have
to
go
to
the
plant
or
to
the
historic
preservation
commission.
But
we
are
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
this
is
a
national,
historic
district.
So
here's
another
photo.
You
can
see
that
the
ingersoll
street
is
being
reconstructed
right
now
in
front
of
the
subject
property.
N
N
Here
are
some
character,
elevations
that
they
provided
and
again.
This
is
similar
to
the
last
one
they're.
Only
the
commission's.
Only
considering
the
rezoning
tonight
there's
a
site
plan
that
will
be
required
if
the
rezoning
is
approved
to
allow
this
site
improvement.
So
again,
tonight
we're
really
only
looking
at
the
rezoning
is
the
rx2
district
appropriate
for
this
property.
Rather
than
is
the
sketches
I'm
showing
you
right
now
appropriate.
N
N
If
it
was
you
know,
zone
or
located
mid
block
a
block
to
the
west,
so
it
would
be
like
a
standalone
parcel,
zoned
rx2.
We
might
feel
differently,
but
because
it's
already
contiguous
to
rx2,
we
do
feel
that
it
meets
the
or
it
would
be
appropriate
to
rezone.
So
we
have
recommended
approval
of
the
land
use
plan
amendment
and
of
the
rezoning.
N
Our
only
zoning
condition
that
we're
recommending
tonight
is
that
any
future
construction
on
the
site
be
in
accordance
with
preservation,
brief
14,
which
is
for
new
exterior
additions
to
historic
buildings,
and
that's
just
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
city's
planning
administrator.
Like
I
said
this
is
in
the
local
international
historic
district,
so
we
want
to
be
cognizant
or
respectful
of
that.
N
So
here's
the
consent
map.
We
did
get
one
card
immediately
to
the
north,
that
was
in
opposition
raised
in
opposition.
This
card,
I'm
showing
you
right
now,
is
from
the
neighborhood
association
in
support,
and
then
this
card
was
opposition
but
didn't
have
any
comments,
and
then
we
also
had
this
card
in
opposition
here
that
it
says
it's
too
far
west
to
have
a
two-story
commercial
building,
and
then
this
is
just
a
summary
of
the
neighborhood
outreach
that
was
done
for
the
rezoning.
O
O
I
would
just
add
that
those
drawings
are
very
conceptual
we're
in
kind
of
the
concept
phasing
test
fit
phase
with
her.
So
please
take
those
with
a
grain
of
salt.
We
are
familiar
with
preservation,
brief
14
and,
as
architects
will
ensure
that
the
addition
complements
the
existing
architecture
as
well
as
the
neighborhood.
So
that's
something
we'll
strive
to
do
with
the
project.
O
B
P
P
I'd
just
like
to
reemphasize.
It's
already
been
discussed
here
that
the
north,
a
grand
board,
supports
pnz's
staff
recommendation
that
the
present
preservation
brief
14
in
reference
to
the
new
exterior
additions
to
historic
buildings,
be
utilized
to
guide
design
development
of
any
addition
to
4019
ingersoll
avenue
prior
to
and
through
the
site
plan
process
and
will
be
a
requirement
for
any
future
construction.
P
We
assume
you
will
approve
the
required
parking
spaces
as
proposed.
If
it
does
require
additional
off-street
parking,
then
we
do
have
concerns
about
the
ability
to
keep
the
house
behind
the
commercial
building
from
being
torn
down
for
any
additional
parking
spaces.
So
parking
is
of
a
concern
if
you
all
approve
it
at
some
process.
During
this
process,
then
the
north
of
grand
board
and
I
as
a
resident
living
close
to
this
property,
are
supportive
of
the
rezoning
of
4019
ingersoll.
K
I
appreciate
that
you're
only
approving
the
zoning
change
tonight,
but
I
cannot
stress
enough
as
it
has
been
mentioned,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that,
because
this
is
on
the
national
registration
register
of
historic
places
and
that
the
architect
has
confirmed
that
she's
familiar
with
preservation,
brief
14,
yet
the
concept
was
was
way
out
of
bounds.
K
Of
that
brief,
so
I
hope
that
when
the
final
sketch
final
plan
is
provided,
it
will
be
compatible
with
masking
size
and
scale
and
be
differentiated
between
the
old
and
the
new,
as
is
required
in
the
brief,
and
I
really
don't
know
anything
about
historical
preservation,
but
I
have
a
neighbor
who
gave
me
those
words,
so
I'm
not
really
that
smart,
but
also,
I
don't
know
who's
required
to
approve.
K
That,
is
that
that
you
okay,
so
I
I
hope,
jason's
in
a
jason,
is
in
a
good,
thorough
mood
that
day
when
he
sees
the
design
and
will
remember
the
historical
significance
of
the
existing
building
and
the
requirements
of
the
preservation.
Brief.
K
O
G
A
quick
question
sure
regarding
the
parking
behind
the
building
is
that
being
used
to
the
maximum
for
this
office
space.
The
the
parking
behind
this
building
is
for
the
office.
Is
that
correct
that.
O
Is
correct,
I
would
say
it
depends
on
the
day
because
they
have
embraced
virtual
working
as
well,
but
it
can
be
used
to
the
maximum.
Yes,
we
will
be
doing
site
plan,
drawings
and
design
as
part
of
this
project.
The
addition
requires
that
so
we
will
ensure
that
parking
counts
meet
the
required
amounts.
O
B
D
D
Thank
you.
The
rezoning
request
before
you
is
for
a
property
at
2713
and
2711
mlk
junior
parkway.
The
rezoning
request
is
to
to
reason
to
i2
industrial
use.
The
current
zone
for
the
property
is
mx3
mixed-use
district.
The
applicant
is
requesting
the
rezoning
to
be
able
to
use
the
property
for
an
auto
recycling
used
which
falls
under
the
the
junk
and
salt
salvage
yard
use
category,
and
that
requires
the
i2
industrial
district.
D
Essentially,
that's
the
reason
why
the
applicant
is
before
you
to
to
rezone
here
is
a
aerial
of
the
of
the
property
in
question.
It's
it's
on
mlk
and,
as
you
can
see,
on
the
east
side,
generally
a
pretty
busy
corridor
traffic.
However,
there's
a
mix
of
uses
here,
there's
some
high
intensity
commercial,
some
light
industrial
there's,
also
residential
as
well
as
other
uses.
Just
in
the
vicinity
of
the
of
the
subject
property.
There
is
some
parkland
and
open
space
adjacent
to
it,
as
you
can,
as
you
can
see
here,.
D
D
D
This
is
the
business
in
question,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
parking
with
the
car
sales
and
display
lot
and
the
office
here
at
the
back.
Here's,
the
billboard
and
I'll
just
move
through
the
pictures
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
area.
D
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
staff
rationale
and
and
staff
recommendation
in
your
staff
report
packet.
You
should
have
seen
that
there
is
some
rezoning
history,
that's
associated
with
this
site
and
I'm
I'll
zoom
in
a
little
bit.
So
you
can
see
better
right
here
so
in
in
1999.
D
The
owner
of
the
property
rezoned
requested
to
rezone
from
m3
limited
industrial
to
sea
to
general
retail
and
highway
oriented
commercial
district
which,
which
is
what
allowed
the
owner
for
the
use
of
the
law
of
the
property
for
a
vehicle
display
lot
subject
to
a
few
conditions.
As
you
can
see
here,
the
property
owner
again
came
back
in
2008
and
requested
a
rezoning.
D
The
plan
and
zoning
commission
at
that
time
recommended
rezoning
from
limited
c2,
general
retail
and
highway
oriented
commercial
district
and
m3
limited
industrial
to
m1
light
industrial
district,
and
it
was
subject
to
several
conditions.
As
you
can
see
here,
the
applicant
did
withdraw
this
request
prior
to
city
council,
public
hearing
and
then
following
that
came
back
in
2010,
at
which
point
the
property
was
requested
to
be
rezoned
again,
which
would
allow
vehicle
repair
and
vehicle
sales
and
display
businesses
on
the
property
city
council
did
approve
the
rezoning
request
with
several
conditions
again.
D
So,
given
the
the
history
of
the
of
the
the
zoning
history
of
the
property
and
the
uses,
as
you
can
see,
the
plan
dsm
designates
the
subject
property
as
community
mixed
use.
The
proposed
rezoning
is
not
consistent
with
that
land
use
that
would
require
a
land
use
amendment
from
community
mixed
use
to
industrial.
D
Staff
believes
that
generally
industrial
users,
especially
in
intensive
industrial
uses,
should
be
located
in
areas
of
the
city
that
are
already
designated
for
these
types
of
uses,
and
the
subject
property,
as
you
saw
in
the
map,
is
located
along
mlk
in
an
area
which
is
primarily
a
commercial
corridor
and
uses
adjacent
to
the
corridor.
Predominantly
commercial,
with
some
warehousing
light,
industrial
and
other
office
uses
and
so
on.
The
property
is
also
adjacent
to
some
environmentally
sensitive
area,
with
the
open,
parkland
and
open
space.
D
Therefore,
staff
believes
that
it
this
rezoning
and
the
proposed
use
is
not
appropriate
for
this.
This
location,
given
the
surrounding
adjacent
uses
and
the
impacts
that
it
could
have
if
rezoned
to
i2
industrial
uses,
could
have
a
significant
impact
on
adjoining
properties.
With
that
in
mind,
staff
is
recommending
denial
of
the
rezoning
request.
D
And
the
applicant
did
I
wanted
to
report
on
his
neighborhood
outreach.
He
the
applicant,
went
out
and
visited
with
individual
property
owners
in
the
within
the
noticing
area
and
provided
us
quite
a
bit
of
detailed
feedback
generally.
D
We
received
a
couple
comment
cards
in
opposition
to
the
to
the
rezoning,
and
you
can
see
here
in
the
consent
map
one
of
the
common
cards.
It's
just
right
outside
the
200
feet
boundary
and
the
other
one
is
a
little
further
out,
so
it
wasn't
captured
in
the
consent
map.
B
Q
Excuse
me,
hello,
everyone.
My
name
is
mamun
koko,
the
owner
of
economical,
auto
on
2713,
martin
luther
king.
So,
basically,
when
you
say
the
word,
recycling
is
basically
everyone
kind
of
started
hesitating
thinking
that
you're
going
to
turn
it
into
like
a
junkyard
like
a
salvage
yard,
but
going
around
in
the
neighborhood
and
thinking
about
it,
and
I
had
a
about
almost
a
three-hour
meeting
four-hour
meeting
with
my
with
my
neighbor
doug
and
so
basically
the
goal
for
the
recycling
in
the
state
of
iowa.
Q
If
you're
a
dealership
you're
supposed
to
have
a
recycling
license,
but
there's
some
restrictions
with
it.
So
basically
we
have
auto
license
to
go
to
every
every
auction
except
one
auction,
that's
copart,
so
in
the
state
of
iowa.
Anybody
in
this
room
right
now
can
go
to
sign
up
and
go
to
copart
and
sign
up,
and
you
and
basically
you
can
get
up
to
six
cars
a
year
register,
then
fix
them
up
and
put
them
back
on
put
them
back
on
the
lot.
Q
So,
basically,
you
only
have
six
cars
a
year,
so
with
the
recycling
license
with
us
being
a
dealership,
it
would
allow
us
to
have
unlimited
cars
to
get
a
year.
So
you
can
have
up
to
basically
almost
40
to
50
cars
a
year
with
the
recycling
license.
It
just
gives
you
basically
unlimited
cars,
then
than
the
standard
six
cars
a
year.
Q
So
basically,
when
we
get
these
cars
from
copart,
we've
always
been
doing,
is
getting
getting
the
cars
right
right
off
the
coast
and
taking
them
to
the
basically
taking
them
to
a
body
shop
and
getting
the
body
work
done.
So
when
we
bring
the
cars
back
to
the
lot,
all
we're
doing
is
basically
oil
change,
brake
pads
change.
Engine
checks
then
later
on,
get
the
car
inspected
and
put
it
back
out
on
the
lot
so
with
copart.
Q
The
cars
that
are
being
us
at
copar
are
basically
cars
that
have
been
donated,
hail
damage
or
accidents,
and
basically
you
just
come
back
repair
them
and
put
them
back
on
a
lot,
and
I
was
speaking
with
doug
and
he
actually
one
of
my
neighbor
doug,
said
something
that
caught
my
attention
is,
if
I
do
sell
the
property
later
on,
with
that
recycling
license
the
biggest
thing
that
I'm
afraid
is
if
someone
else
might
actually
use
that
property
and
you
turn
it
into
a
junkyard.
Q
Q
No,
no,
it's
basically
it
will.
It
will
never
be
a
salvage
yard
because,
just
where
the
area
is
so
basically
the
recycling
license
would
just
allow
me
to
buy
more
cars
than
six
cars
a
year,
because
right
now,
I'm
only
doing
six
cars
a
year,
and
one
of
my
one
of
my
other
cousins
in
winterset
asked
me
if
I
could
use
his
license
to
to
to
go
into
copart
and
get
and
get
more
cars,
but
it's
like
for
me.
Q
There's
no
point
if
I
can
apply
for
my
own
license
so
with
that
recycling
license.
It
would
just
allow
me
to
buy
more
cars
than
six
cars
a
year
and
have
them
out
on
a
lot,
but
there
will
be
no
broken
cars
showing
no
junkyard.
No,
nothing.
This
license
is
just
like
for
pacific
use
just
to
allow
me
to
get
more
more
than
six
cars
a
year
from
coal
park.
R
F
Okay,
so
just
to
clarify
so
he's
seeking
recycling
license
from
the
state
and
at
that
point,
the
scope
of
the
work
and
the
magnitude
of
the
of
the
of
that
is:
what's
driving
the
need
to
rezone
the
property,
it's
kind
of
it's
moving
beyond
auto
sales
into
what
we
would
consider
by
zoning.
A
salvage
use
a
lot
of
recycling.
E
Which
is
sorry,
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
make
sure
I'm
understanding.
So
basically,
the
business
itself
wants
to
be
licensed
as
recycling
business,
but
the
business
of
actually
occurring
on
the
lot
itself
is
essentially
a
car
with
some
hail
damage.
Swaps
off
the
you
know,
we
do
some
light,
fixing
that
they're
already
doing
now.
Aren't
we
or
is
there
no
auto
repair
on
this
site
now.
Q
We're
not
we
don't
do
no
auto
pills
like
the
like
the
hail
damage
that
we
get
that
work
done
at
the
at
the
body
shop
on
second
avenue,
but
once
the
cars
are
done,
we
just
bring
them
back
to
the
lot.
Do
break
changes
oil
changing
and
put
them
back
out
on
the
lab,
but
we
don't
do
nobody
work
at
the
lot
at
all.
E
E
F
The
but
the
salvage
license
would
and
the
zoning
would
allow
we
we
have
him
describing
what
he's
doing
or
intending
to
do,
but
those
those
two
mechanisms
would
allow
a
much
broader
spectrum
of
work
to
happen
here.
So
that's
that's
what
our
why
our
recommendation
is
what
it
is.
I
just
want
to
make
it.
E
E
F
F
E
Understood-
and
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
say
so
so
that
makes
a
lot
more
sense,
that
that
piece
for
me
was
missing
and
understanding
why
this
was
actually
needed,
but
the
second
element
is
so.
It
sounds
like
and
I'm
sorry
I
know
no
so
we're.
I
mean
I'd,
jump
on
and
jump
right
here
so
but
we're
so
here.
It
sounds
like
this
isn't
i1
area,
but
I
guess
boy,
so
it
can't
be
recycler
at
all
here
if
it's
not
i1,
even
though
this
is
the
type
of
business
use
we
would
want
to
enable
here.
G
F
Yes,
so
anything
in
i2
that
I
mean
there's
most
of
the
uses
in
the
itu
district
are
conditional
uses
that
have
like
a
performance
criteria
that
the
zoning
board
adjustment
reviews
your
application
against,
and
then
you
have
to
operate
the
business,
in
conformance
with
that,
it's
it's
to
provide
an
extra
layer,
review
and
oversight
for
the
more
heavy
impactful
uses
in
the
city.
That's
why
there's
that
little
extra
step
in
the
process.
T
F
Q
Yeah
and
now-
and
that
was
actually
that
was
actually
what
my
goal
was
like,
even
if
it
gets
denied
because
it's
like,
even
if
I
do,
sell
the
property
down
the
road,
I
don't
want
someone
to
come
with
that
recycling
license
and
actually
use
it
as
a
recycler,
because
that's
actually
going
to
hurt
the
neighborhood.
That's.
Q
E
What
we're
trying
to
do
here
today
is
actually
ensure
that,
because
we're
probably
pretty
sure
it's
not
an
i2,
we're
saying
we
do
want
to
deny
this
for
the
opportunity
to
actually
get
a
use
license,
which
gives
you
the
opportunity
to
get
a
recycling
license
which
allows
this
business
to
operate.
While
you
actually
are
able
to
require
more
assets
for
your
business
was.
Q
E
R
Q
Coal
park
is
in
a
it's.
Basically,
it's
a
worldwide
auction
that
cars
has
been
in
previews,
hail,
damage,
donated
accidents
and
basically
you
just
go
in
there
bid
on
cars.
It's
a
little
bit
cheaper
than
a
regular
auction.
So
you'll
come
back.
Do
some
bodywork
on
the
car
then,
after
that
you
once
the
car
is
done
with
the
bodywork
you
got
to
take
it
down
to
the
police
department,
get
the
inspection
they
they
go
ahead
and
write
it
off
for
you
once
they
write
it
off.
You
go
ahead
and
register
it.
R
How
many
years
do
you
think
how
many
years.
R
R
Use
variance
all
right,
so
how
does
that
work
out?
If
that
is
granted
say
that
he
sells
the
property?
Does
that
usage
variant
die
with
the
cell
of
that.
F
No,
it
will
run
with
the
land,
but
the
thing
about
the
use
variants
is,
it
can
be
tied
very
specifically
to
the
mod
the
business
model,
so
it
would
be
written
in
a
way
that
I
think
you
know
you
can
get
very
specific.
As
the
gentleman
has
about
you
know,
the
body
work
is
done
enough
site
and
those
kinds
of
things
that
so
only
somebody
doing
a
business
operating
a
business
just
like
he
is,
would
be
able
to
take
over
okay
prohibit
outdoor
store.
You
know
all
sorts
of
stuff
like
that.
F
Mx3
is
the
kind
of
our
most
auto
oriented
zoning
district,
very
comparable
to
the
c2
and
the
old
code,
which
is
property
zone
c2
previously,
so,
okay.
R
And
then
I
think
I
have
the
one
more
question
for
the
applicant.
Sorry,
where
will
you
where
do
you
plan
to
put
all
these
vehicles.
Q
So
right
now
right
once
we
get
them
from
the
from
copart,
we
usually
put
them
in
the
garage
because
we've
been
having
a
lot
of
issues
with
cadillac
converters
being
cut
off
and
I'm
still
working
on
the
property.
So
right
now,
as
soon
as
once,
we
get
the
cars
from
the
body
work
from
the
body
work
done.
We
put
them
right
in
front
in
front
of
the
lot
where
those
all
those
cars
are
up
in
the
front.
Q
B
Yeah
thanks
justin
all
right
well,
thank
you.
So
much.
B
U
Okay
good
evening
and
thank
you,
my
is
doug
bullfest,
I'm
a
board
member
at
agape
women's
resource
center.
I
have
with
me
leanna
simpson
who's
the
executive
director
there
as
well,
and
we
did
meet
with
the
applicant
and
we
have
no
concerns
with
what
he
plans
to
do.
We
fully
support
his
enthusiasm
and
building
the
business.
We
have
no
problem
with
that,
so
I
hope
the
use
of
variance
would
be
the
route
to
go.
U
That
being
said,
we
oppose
the
zoning
change
because,
as
he
said,
as
we
talked
about,
if
the
title
changes
to
that
property
in
the
future,
then
anything
could
go
into
that
industrial
zone.
That
would
be
objectionable
to
us
we're
actually
across
the
street
in
about
a
half
block
south
of
that
property.
So
that's
pretty
much
our
position
on
it.
I
won't
spend
a
lot
more
time
expanding
on
that,
but
we
are
fully
supportive
of
him
and
and
commend
them
for
their
expanding
their
business
model.
U
V
V
We
are
opposing
the
zoning
change.
I
am
also
excited
about
his
excitement
and
now
that
we
do
understand
it
is
not
going
to
be
a
wreckage
unit
place,
but
I
I
am
in
denial
of
that,
but
we
would
if
he
can
get
the
variance
license
that
he
needs
we're
all
for
that,
but
it
was
just
the
fact
that
I
have
members
in
that
residence
who
are
concerned
about
the
property
value
and
then
the
fact
that
we
have
a
44
000
square
feet,
building
going
up
on
that
property.
B
W
B
Sign
in
when
you're
done
a
name
and
then
you
have
five
minutes.
W
This
is
a
low
income
area.
That's
in
the
food
desert.
We
don't
need
a
south
salvage
yard,
but
you
just
explained
that
that
it
won't
be
a
salvage.
Are
it's
already
a
blighted
area
and
it
will
not
be
in
conformance
with
the
plan
des
moines,
is
creating
the
creating
our
tomorrow
comprehensive
to
improve
the
area.
W
This
area
needs
to
have
more
food
and
health
options,
as
this
community
is
also
one
of
the
unhealthiest
zip
codes
in
the
city
and
the
salvage
yard
will
not
build
up
the
property,
slash
neighborhood
and
I
do
oppose
the
rezone.
But
after
listening
to
him,
you
know
if
they
could
do
a
variance,
then
that
would
be
understood
because
I'm
looking
at
purchasing
the
property
right
next
to
his
that's
for
sale,
that's
a
mixed
use
of
property,
so
yeah!
That's
it.
B
A
R
Yeah,
so
that
was
my
initial
concern
sounds
like
we're.
All
I
feel
like
all
of
us
are
in
agreement.
I
was
worried.
It
was
going
to
become
a
salvage
yard
too.
So
I
drive
that
faf
all
the
time
every
day
at
least
five
times
a
day,
depending
on
how
many
times
I
gotta
go,
get
my
kids
or
drop
off
a
stuffed
animal
at
the
daycare,
so
yeah
I'm
familiar
with
the
area,
but
I
hope
that
we
can
get
the
variant
through.
B
Thanks
justin
there's
a
motion
from
justin
to
move.
I
guess
move
staff.
Would
that
be
right
all
in
favor.
Please
raise
your
right
hand.
F
B
Number
seven
is
a
request
from
stony
point
car
wash
llc
represented
by
lloyd
lynn
for
review
and
approval
of
the
second
amendment
to
the
stony
point.
Pud
conceptual
plan
on
property
located
at
5901
southeast
14th,
to
allow
restaurant
with
a
drive-through
use
and
bert
will
be
presenting
chair.
N
Members
of
the
commission,
bert
drost
planning
staff
for
the
city
of
des
moines.
As
the
chair
just
stated,
the
request
is
to
amend
the
stony
point
pud,
which
is
located
on
the
east
side
of
southeast
14th
street,
just
to
the
south
of
east
deal
avenue.
So
this
area,
highlighted
in
yellow,
is
the
portion
of
the
pud
that
they're
proposing
to
amend,
but
the
pud
actually
includes
this
strip
center
to
the
east,
as
well
as
the
culver's
and
taco
bell,
restaurants
to
the
south,
just
first,
a
couple
points
of
rest
or
points
of
reference.
N
N
N
This
sorry,
I
was
hoping
it
was
going
to
work
this
time
so
I'll
flip
back
to
this
yeah,
so
the
car
wash
would
be
removed,
replaced
with
the
starbucks.
So
here's
some,
let's
just
show
you
a
couple
photos
here-
some
street
view.
So
this
is
the
view
down
east
deal.
The
driveway
here
would
stay
in
generally
the
same
spot.
This
is
looking
at
it
from
the
intersection
the
existing
car
wash
is
set
back.
I
believe
90
feet
from
the
front
property
line.
N
E
N
N
I
guess
the
car
wash
right
here.
You
can
see
the
footprint
of
it
through
the
photo
the
car
wash
is
closer
to
the
street
than
what
this
proposed
restaurant
would
be.
So
we
do
feel
that
to
maintain
the
character
on
this
southeast
14th
corridor
that
this
building
really
should
be
slid
up
closer
to
the
front
property
line.
N
As
far
as
our
staff
recommendation
goes,
we
have
recommended
approval
of
the
amendment
to
subject
to
some
conditions,
the
first
being
a
reduction
of
that
setback
from
southeast
14th
street
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
planning
administrator,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
understand
our
recommendation
really.
Is
that
the
building
be
moved
closer
like
significantly
closer
to
the
front
property
line,
and
so
maybe
you
saw
two
rows
of
parking
between
the
building
and
the
front
property
line.
N
We're
thinking
it
would
be
really
more
appropriate
to
just
have
one
row
of
parking
between
the
building
and
the
front
property
line
and
then
slide
the
other
row
of
parking
back
behind
the
building
just
go
through
the
rest
of
these
recommended
conditions.
A
second
just
any
proposed
signage
comply
with
the
requirements
for
the
mx-3
district
and,
in
addition
of
notes
to
the
pd
conceptual
plan,
stating
that
the
site
will
comply
with
the
tree
mitigation
or
tree
removal
of
mitigation
ordinance
and
comply
with
any
grading
and
soil
erosion
requirements.
N
So
here's
the
consent
map
we
did
get
a
card
from
the
tasty
tacos
across
the
street
to
the
north
in
opposition,
didn't
provide
any
comments,
but
they
might
be
here
tonight.
Here's
just
the
summary
of
the
neighborhood
outreach
that
was
done
and
really.
That
concludes
my
program.
My
presentation,
but
I'll
go
back
to
that.
N
F
If
I
could
just
add
on
to
what
what
our
thinking
was
a
little
bit
there,
you
know
if
you
bird
has
pointed
out
some
of
the
other
buildings
in
the
area,
including
the
car,
wash.
There
are
a
little
closer
frame,
the
street
a
little
bit
more.
You
know
if
this
was
zoned.
Mx3
like
a
lot
of
the
other
corridor,
is
a
an
outbuilding
like
this,
and
a
commercial
center
would
actually
need
to
be
even
closer
than
what
we're
suggesting
for
this
development
without
unless
it
had
a
type
2
design
alternative.
F
Our
thought.
You
know,
I
think
the
thing
about
you
know
if
you
remove
one
of
those
rows
of
parking,
that's
just
one
less
thing
that
a
pedestrian
is
looking
at
as
they
walk
through.
So
it's
not
just
about
framing
I
mean
it
helps
frame
the
street
a
little
bit,
but
also
makes
it
just
a
little
more
pedestrian
oriented.
H
N
To
this,
the
taco
bell
had
a
50-foot
setback.
The
culver's
to
the
south
has
a
120-foot
setback.
The
tasty
tacos
to
the
north
has
an
80
foot
set
back
and
then
the
melbourne
apartments
north
of
that
has
a
45-foot
setback
and
I
think
I
misspoke
earlier,
I
said
the
car
wash
had
a
90-foot
setback.
Actually,
it's
a
64-foot
setback.
E
B
X
We're
in
agreement
with
the
staff's
recommendation,
obviously
because
it's
to
approve,
but
we
do
want
to
discuss
their
first
recommendation
about
moving
the
building
and
our
comments
here.
Don't
really
have
anything
to
do
with
financial
considerations,
it's
just
purely
functional
and
what
we
view
as
safety
issues.
X
Our
concept
has
shown
like
that,
the
vast
majority-
if
not
all
the
walk-in
customers-
that
will
use
that
parking
lot,
will
park.
Obviously,
in
the
west
lot,
the
east
is
mostly
anticipated
for
employees
or
services.
The
drive-through
traffic
will
be
split,
you'll
have
some
come
in
from
the
north,
some
come
in
from
the
south,
and
so.
X
If
we
relocate
a
whole
row
of
parking
to
the
rear,
then
the
customers
will
have
to
cross
all
the
customers
that
park
there
will
have
to
cross
a
hundred
percent
of
all
the
drive-through
traffic
and
they'll
have
to
cross
it
at
the
drive
lane
as
they're
as
they're
coming
out
and
there's
just
some
serious
safety
concerns
with
that,
just
the
traffic
and
then
I
was
thinking
the
potential
of
people
leaving
a
drive-through
window,
putting
their
change
away
or
putting
your
card
in
their
wallet
or
taking
a
sip
of
the
coffee.
X
Just
there's,
I
would
say,
there's
slight
chance
of
distraction
there
and
you've
got
you've
just
all
of
a
sudden
put
more
the
people
that
have
to
get
to
the
store
park.
There
walk
through
the
drive
lane
around
the
north
side
to
get
to
the
entry
which
is
really
in
the
south
half
of
the
east
elevation.
X
There
will
be
some,
but
not
a
whole
lot
of
pedestrian
customers
coming
that
way
and
using
that
that
walk
in
the
crossing
and
by
putting
half
of
the
parking
that's
on
the
west
side
on
the
east
side,
you're,
putting
more
people
at
risk
of
crossing
the
drive
through
lanes
and
the
vehicle
movements
so
and
then
just
from
some
urban
design
and
a
set
of
considerations.
I
understand
the
desire
to
get
the
buildings
closer,
and
I'm
generally
all
for
that.
X
That
is
not,
in
my
opinion,
is
not
going
to
do
much
to
get
closer
to
that.
Ultimately,
10
foot
setback
that
that
you
like
to
see
with
new
stuff
the
site.
The
building
does
sit
five
and
a
half
feet
below
east
14th,
and,
let's
see
so
you're,
not
even
looking,
you
know
directly
you're
looking
across
more.
You
know
up
at
the
up
above
the
doors
basically
going
in.
Regarding
that
setback.
X
Our
setback
is
shown
at
102
feet,
the
tasty
taco
was
mentioned,
and
it's
set
back
and
it's
set
back
even
though
it's
closer
to
the
right
of
way.
X
X
So,
as
I
said,
I
think
a
25-foot
move
to
a
77-foot
setback
would
have
minimal
if
any
visual
effect
on
the
streetscape.
What
would
have,
however,
would
be
the
fence
as
shown
and
proposed-
and
I
don't
know
how
well
it
shows
up
there,
but
we're
proposing
what
we'll
propose
on
the
site
plan
again.
This
is
conceptual,
but
this
is
fairly
close
to
what
what
we're
working
on
but
proposing
all
along
east
14th,
a
three
foot
high,
brick
and
ornamental
fence.
X
It
would
probably
be
the
the
black
ornamental
fence
that
you
guys
use
and
then
there'd
be
masonry
columns
and
even
masonry
sections.
You
know.
Maybe
an
eight
foot
section
or
something
like
that:
it's
that's
all
up
in
here
and
set
back,
maybe
eight
feet
from
the
sidewalk.
X
X
We
it
would
if
you
had
steps
like
taco
bell,
but
but
starbucks
would
prefer
to
have
it
an
accessible
walk
coming
coming
down,
so
it's
going
to
have
to
do,
run
up
down
our
property
and
then
get
out
to
east
14th
closer
to
that
south
drive,
but
anticipating
it
kind
of
an
entrance
gate
to
give
it
some
character.
In
addition
to
that,
too,
we
would
would
propose
additional
landscape
to
give
it
a
lot
of
character.
X
Just
some
other
considerations
is
that
we've
got
nine
stalls
in
that
that
row
along
the
front,
which
is,
is
less
than
what
actually
the
the
space
would
have
allowed.
X
If
we
were
to
twist
it
this
way,
it
wouldn't
work
as
well,
and
I
think,
even
well,
coming
from
deal
deal
drops
off
at
seven
percent
to
the
east
and
that
driveway
coming
off
the
deal
comes
down
pretty
steeply,
and
it's
been
a
challenge
looking
at
that
grading
to
how
it's
ultimately
going
to
work
and
get
all
our
drainage
and
everything
appropriate.
But
I
guess
that's
that's
it
for
now
so
I'll
take
any
questions.
G
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
question
for
you
or
the
staff,
whoever
can
answer
it.
What
is
the
required
number
of
parking
spaces
for
this
property.
F
B
H
Yes,
are
we
is
this
part
of
the
development
plan,
or
will
that
also
come
in
front
of
this
body?.
F
Yeah
this
is
the
pud
conceptual
plan
amendment,
so
this
is
kind
of
like
the
zoning,
but
with
the
pud,
it's
very
site,
specific
it'll
go
on
to
council,
they'll,
prove
it
and
then,
in
this
case,
there's
no
specific
trigger.
That
would
bring
it
back
here.
We
would
review
it
administratively
and
make
sure
it
matches
this.
F
So
if
there
are
things
you
know,
if
you
had
a
note,
that's
you
know
like
one
of
our
conditions.
You
know.
Obviously
we
would
sort
that
out
with
them
after
the
fact,
but
for
the
most
part,
we'd
be
looking
at
this
and
making
sure
it
matches
that.
E
F
Well,
if
you
remove
the
staff
recommendation
and
the
council
adopts
it,
I
would
take
that
as
you're
giving
us
directive
that
you
would
like
the
building
closer
to
the
street,
and
so
we
would
work
with
the
applicant
to
figure
out
exactly
where
how
to
situate,
that
as
staff
we're
suggesting
you
take
the
westernmost
row
of
parking
and
you
put
it
on
the
back
side
and
then
just
slide
everything.
But
if
you
have
other
direction,
I'd
like
to
kind
of
hear
that
to
help
us.
E
E
E
S
Is
it?
Is
it
common
that
there
are
twice
as
many
parking
spots
proposed
as
required?
You
could
just
get
rid
of
the
whole
western
chunk
of
parking
spots
all
together
and
shift
the
plan.
F
E
Sorry,
one
more
so
even
if
one
is
not
struck
that
isn't
saying
that
it
has
to
be
moved.
So
if
there
are
grading
issues,
because
I
apologize
I'm
familiar
with,
but
not
familiar
enough
to
have
an
engineering
judgment
on
it.
If
we're
saying
that
the
grading
it
makes
the
shifting
of
it
to
the
west
impossible
or
requires
the
you
know,
or
the
rotation
of
the
building,
for
example,
is
not
possible
as
a
result
of
safety.
F
H
So,
as
we
have
seen
in
recent
examples,
even
if
we
were
to
approve
the
the
recommended
conditions,
council
can
strike
that
once
they
review
it.
Correct.
B
G
It's
not
what
I
do
anyway
and
I
don't
think
it's
the
commission's
role
to
do
that,
but
with
keeping
with
the
current
drives,
I'm
not
sure
that
there
is
a
better.
Alternatively
alternative
for
traffic
flow.
G
I
think
innately
anytime,
you
have
a
drive-through
you're,
going
to
present
safety
issues
for
the
parking
spots
and
for
pedestrians.
It's
just
the
nature
of
what
that
entails.
I
agree
with
dory
and
also
with
other
commissioners.
Who've
commented
on
the
parking
that's
closest
to
southeast
14th.
I
don't
know
that
it's
necessary
or
if
all
of
it's
necessary,
I
hate
to
lose
additional
green
space.
B
Y
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
nick
tarpey
planning
staff
all
right,
so
here's
a
ariel
the
site
here
site's
located
1539
dewolfe
street.
So
this
is
washington
avenue.
This
is
the
street
to
the
north.
Here
235
is
over
to
the
east
to
probably
about
a
third
of
a
mile.
So
if
you're
trying
to
visualize
the
area,
it's
a
relatively
industrial
area
to
the
north
to
the
south
is
a
mix
of
mostly
single
family
homes.
For
the
most
part,
here's
just
some
site
photos
from
from
the
actual
site
taken
last
week.
Y
Y
Y
Here's
a
site
plan
what
was
submitted
what's
proposed,
so
this
here
is
the
existing
house.
This
is
the
proposed
garage
in
the
new
driveway
and
the
new
formalized
approach
here.
This
back
here
is
an
existing
alley
and
we'll
get
to
that.
A
little
bit
later.
That'll
come
come
up
in
the
discussion,
but
really
you
can
see
compared
and
I'll
go
back
to
the
earlier
aerial
that
I
showed.
This
is
really
a
wider
lot
than
maybe
a
lot
of
the
other
lots
that
exist
in
the
neighborhood.
So
it's
kind
of
a
different
condition.
Y
Here's
a
different
view
of
the
proposed
garage,
so
it'll,
be
the
doors
will
be
oriented
towards
the
street.
This
will
be
a
three-car
garage
or
three
vehicle
bays
basically
and
here's
some
elevations
that
show
that
really
materiality
and
design
would
pretty
much
match
the
existing
house
getting
into
the
staff
report.
Here.
Y
Development
is
required
to
have
one
driveway,
that's
the
maximum,
so
two
would
be
in
excess
of
that
and
staff
did
a
survey
of
the
other
houses,
really
the
surrounding
neighborhood
character,
and
there
was
no
other
houses
on
the
block
that
had
two
driveways
and
really
the
predominant
character
of
the
neighborhood.
That
did
not
exist,
so
it
wouldn't
really
be,
in
conformance
with
the
existing
development
pattern
that
you
would
see
in
the
neighborhood.
Y
Additionally,
as
you
can
read
in
the
staff
report
staff,
other
staff,
like
myself,
had
tried
to
work
with
the
applicant
to
try
to
find
more
of
some
of
somewhat
of
a
middle
ground
solution
to
still
install
the
garage,
but
not
necessarily
have
two
drive
approaches
at
the
property
and
I'll
run
through
those.
The
couple
of
options
that
we
presented.
Y
This
is
the
first
one
to
keep
the
existing
driveway
you're.
Looking
at
a
plan
view
and
like
I
said
before,
that
alley
comes
into
play
so
the
alley
that
comes
in
off
washington,
they
could
potentially
install
a
driveway
off
off
the
alley
and
then
the
garage
would
be
oriented,
maybe
towards
the
rear
of
the
site,
and
they
would
restore
the
existing
approach
and
just
turn
it
into
grass
so
keep
one,
but
also
be
able
to
add
the
garage
and
a
little
bit
better
circulation
pattern
coming
in
from
the
alley.
Y
The
other
option
would
be
to
remove
the
existing
drive
and
then
restore
that
so
restore
that
to
grass
or
a
permeable
area
and
then
legally
install
a
new
approach
here.
Add
the
driveway
and
then
build
the
garage
so
kind
of
similar
to
what
you
would
seen
with
the
proposed
site
plan,
but
really
we're
just
removing
that
existing
driveway.
So
those
are
the
two
options
that
staff
ran
through.
Y
Would
you
not
get
any
comments
on
this?
No
neighbors
called
in
or
sent
any
comment
cards
or
anything.
So
that's
the
gist
of
the
presentation
happy
to
take
any
questions.
H
E
R
Y
Yeah
and
just
looking
kind
of
at
historical
aerial
images,
there
was
already
kind
of
a
not
necessarily
a
pave
drive
approach.
But
if
you
look
back
through
the
history
of
the
images
that
we
have
through
our
gis,
you
could
see
that
that
was
used
one
time
as
an
access,
not
with
necessarily
a
garage.
But
vehicles
did
traverse
that.
R
F
B
All
right
thanks
nick
is
the
applicant
present
yeah.
Please
state
your
name
address
and
then
sign
in
when
you're
finished.
You
have
10
minutes.
Z
Z
When
I
bought
it.
I
went
to
the
city
to
ask
for
permit
to
build
a
garage,
so
they
told
me
I
couldn't
build
a
garage
until
I
combined
the
properties,
so
in
2019
I
applied
to
combine
the
properties
together
now,
after
the
coffee
took
so
long,
so
in
2021
they
finally
combined
the
properties.
Now
everything
is
on
one
property,
so
this
is
my
property
1535.
This
is
the
ladder
I
bought
from
the
city.
Z
They
asked
me
if
I
can
remove
my
existing
driveway
my
biggest
concern.
I
don't
want
to
remove
it
because
I
don't
have
a
foundation
problems,
so
my
one
of
the
walls
it
is
like
cave.
So
if
I
remove
it,
I'm
going
to
have
a
lot
of
water
into
my
basement,
and
I
thought
it
was
pretty
common
because
I
have
been
driving
around
my
neighborhood
that
there
is
several
houses
with
two
approaches
in
two
driveways.
Z
Z
That
is
on
my
street.
It
has
two
driveways,
I
mean
two
branches,
one
driveway
and
then
two
garage,
so
I
thought
it
was
pretty
common.
There
is
another
one
and
I
have
one
approach
and
another
driveway
right
here
I
have.
This
is
one
of
the
biggest
ones
that
I
took
my
attention.
They
pretty
much
have
the
driveway
taking
care
of
the
front
of
the
house
and
then
also
they
have
another
driveway
in
a
garage
there.
Z
Z
That
is
nobody
else
using
it.
So
when
it's
known,
I
have
to
clean
all
everything
just
for
myself
and
also
I
have
a
fence
for
my
kids
all
around.
So
I
need
to
remove
all
of
these
grass,
where
I
just
pay
some
money
to
have
all
of
these
removed
and
I'm
not
pretending
to
I'm
not
pretending
to
make
the
the
approach
wider.
Z
Look
okay!
I
I
made
the
prince.
I
made
the
prince
myself,
so
I'm
not
attending
to
make
this
wider.
I
mean
I
don't.
I
just
can't
leave
the
approach.
How
is
it
and
just
let
me
build
a
garage?
Oh
there
is
something
else
that
I
can
do
to
keep
at
least
the
concrete
in
here.
I
will
just
to
keep
it
my
my
house
dry
and
not
not
have
all
the
water
going
into
the
basement
because
one
of
the
that
wall,
especially
little
wall,
I
do
have
a
picture.
E
So
if
because
I
guess,
I
I
see,
for
example,
another
one
15
23
east
18th-
is
actually
exactly
like
what
you're
proposing,
but
what
you're
saying
is:
if
the
compromise
just
take
away
the
approach
and
leave
the
concrete,
because,
based
on
the
size
of
this,
it
doesn't
look
like
it's
going
to
trigger
the
hardscape
ratio.
E
F
E
F
F
F
Z
Allowed
to
leave,
if
I
do
that,
if
I
remove
right
here
right,
I'm
going
to
remove
this
one,
how
it
shows
right
here,
I
can
leave
this
concrete
right
here.
Remove
this
approach.
Sorry,
english!
It
is
my
second
language,
but
and
then,
if
I
do
that,
and
then
you
guys
going
to,
let
me
build
this
wider
right,
how
they
offer
me
right.
Z
F
Apron,
but
you
would,
if
you
did
this
and
you
pulled
out
the
the
ape
the
approach,
but
you
also
would
need
to
remove
it
out
of
the
front
yard
this
part
here.
You
wouldn't
need
the
commission
any
action
from
the
commission.
You
could
leave
from
you
know
the
front
of
the
house
back.
It's
just
like
patio
pavement.
Z
F
Yeah
and
the
well
they
could,
I
suppose
they
could
grant
you
some
relief,
because
I
think
that
this
is
more
than
25
of
your
front
yard
would
be
pavement.
I'm
guessing.
I
could
be
wrong,
but
the
commission
could,
as
part
of
their
action,
could
address
that
if
you
guys
wanted
to
sorry
to
make
it
muddy.
Z
F
I
mean
it
really
commissioned.
I
think
if
you
are,
if
you,
if
the
pavement's
not
going
to
be
pulled
back
from,
if
I
don't
know
if
you
can
go
to
I'm
looking
at
google
street
view,
if
the
pavement's
all
the
way
up
to
the
sidewalk.
F
And
all
you
and
all
you're
doing
is
pulling
the
apron
out.
I
I
kind
of
questioned:
why
not
just
grant
the
relief
at
that
point
I
mean
just
leave.
R
R
B
So
okay
you'll
have
a
rebuttal
here
after
we
talk
to
the
public.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
wishes
to
speak
in
favor
of
this
item?
B
Y
Yeah,
so
it's
kind
of
a
the
definition
of
neighborhood
or
multi-block
vicinity
is
kind
of
muddy,
so
at
least
along
this
block,
there
are
no
other
houses
that
have
two
driveways,
some
of
the
other
ones
that
might
appear
to
have
two
driveways
it.
It
might
be
kind
of
one
approach
that
maybe
straddles
a
lot
line
and
then
also
for
some
of
the
other
homes
that
he
showed
they've.
That's
been
a
condition
for
maybe
30
40
years.
If
you
go
back
on
the
aerials,
there's
nothing.
Y
B
All
right,
thanks
nick
and
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
so
now
commissioners
can
speak
freely.
C
So
if
this
were
to
remain
260
foot
wide
parcels,
there
would
be
two
driveways.
A
new
one
could
only
be
25
percent
of
the
front
yard
on
this
adjacent
partial
correct.
So
if
he
sold
off
this
adjacent
piece
of
land
instead
of
having
acquired
it,
which
he
could
do
if
it
replated
there
in
all,
reality
could
be
a
second
driveway
right
there,
which
there
is
today.
C
I
went
back
through
the
historical
all
the
way
back
to
the
50s.
I
don't
think
there's
ever
been
a
house
there,
but
the
driveway's
always
been
there.
So
I
was
just
following
that
logic.
I
you
know
I
would.
C
C
And
there
was
one
option
in
there
that
showed
it
that
way,
I'm
I'm
fine
with
that,
but
that's
just
me.
T
I
would
support
your
thought
process
there,
but
I
would
consider
expanding
the
approach
for
the
new
barrage
to
be
wider
to
better
accommodate
that's
just
mine.
F
I
guess
I
as
if
I
could,
I
would
say
that
maybe
a
difference
between
this
and
other
case
is
that
there
has
been
some
concern
expressed
for
the
the
use
of
that
other
driveway
as
assistance
in
grade
and
storm
water
management
and
keeping
moisture
away
from
the
house.
So
I
do
think
that
this
is
a
little
bit
different
than
the
other
case
that
we
saw.
So
I
just
wanted
to
have
that
on
the
record.
E
So
to
remain
consistent,
are
we
saying
that
we
would
want
to
actually
remove
the
apron?
If
we
remove
the
apron?
Does
everyone
feel
comfortable
or
is
there
or
what
we're
basically
saying?
Is
there
really
is
no
sorry,
the
driveway
to
the
south
has
been
identified
as
something
that
if
we
remove,
if
we
touch
the
driveway
to
the
south,
there's
a
risk,
the
foundation
is
going
to
be
problematic,
which
is
expensive.
We
don't
want
to
do.
E
The
question
is
whether
or
not
we
want
to
be
consistent
with
only
one
approach,
even
though
again,
a
block
over
you
have
like
what
it
looks
like
his
design
plan
is
right.
There,
one
block
over
right,
so
it
seems
like
there
is
a
rationale
for
consistency
in
what's
in
the
neighborhood,
but
cutting
away.
E
The
south
entrance
gives
consistency
with
what
we've
been
doing
recently
and
still
allows
for
safety
of
the
building,
while
still
ending
up
with
one
approach,
but
we
would
then
be
potentially
compromising
a
25
ratio
in
the
front
is
removing
the
second
one
important
enough
to
actually
just
require
that
or
we
saying
hey
since
we're
not
taking
out
any
more
concrete.
You
may
as
well
just
leave
the
whole
thing.
B
B
Abstentions,
please
raise
your
right
hand
10-1-1
any
directors
or
staff
reports,
jason.