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From YouTube: 7-21-22 Plan & Zoning Commission
Description
Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, July 21, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
B
A
A
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
a
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plots
unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
for
details
on
Council
hearings.
A
Applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
beat
to
be
Germaine
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
A
Items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval,
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report.
Unless
an
individual
present
or
member
of
the
commission
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
consent
and
considered
separately
on
the
under
the
public
hearing
agenda.
A
I
will
now
read:
oh
I'm,
going
to
take
approval
of
the
minutes
from
July
7th
2022..
Do
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
those
minutes
thanks
Justin
all
in
favor.
Please
raise
your
right
hand.
A
A
Anyone
in
the
public
number
two
will
remain
on
consent.
Number
three
requests
from
TV
LLC
represented
by
Nick
Jensen
for
review
and
approval
of
the
following
for
7.82
Acres
of
property
in
the
vicinity
of
1328
Thomas
Beck
Road
a
b
and
one
two
three
under
B.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item.
A
C
A
We
will
hear
number
three
in
the
public
hearing
number
four
request
from
PPD
SM
LLC
represented
by
Adam
cyrin
and
the
BOS
Investments
represented
by
Jim
Sinclair
for
review
and
approval
of
the
following
for
2.12
Acres
of
property
in
the
vicinity
of
6501,
Hickman
Road
and
2404
West
over
Boulevard,
A
and
B.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
on
the
commission
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item?
A
A
Number
six
request
from
RM
Madden
construction
represented
by
Michael
Madden
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
the
following
type
to
design:
alternatives
for
property
at
5013,
Southwest
6,
to
allow
construction
of
house
B
building
in
type
in
in
n3a
neighborhood
district
with
an
11.7
foot,
rear
yard
setback,
where
the
pre-existing
lot
provision
requires
the
rear
yard
setback
shall
not
be
less
than
20
percent
of
the
lot
depth.
A
Number
seven
has
been
requested
to
move
to
consent.
I'll
read
it
first:
requests
from
Mercy
Hospital
Medical
Center
represented
by
Diane
Cummings
for
review
and
approval
of
an
eighth
amendment
to
the
Mercy
Hospital
Center
of
PUD
conceptual
plan
located
at
1116
Ave
to
allow
the
modifications
to
the
Western
parking
ramp
area.
A
Todd,
all
in
favor
of
Todd's
motion.
Please
raise
your
right
hand.
A
A
Oh
sorry:
okay,
okay,
it's
a
request
from
Mr
Salah
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan,
ice
cream
shop
for
property
at
3510,
Cottage,
Grove
Ave
for
type
2
design,
Alternatives
a
through
b.
Is
there
a
motion
to
move
this
to
continue
to
August,
18th
2022
meeting
of
plan
and
Zoning
Commission?
A
A
Thank
you
and
we
will
hear
item
three
under
public
hearing
tonight.
Nick
tarpy
will
be
presenting
for
the
city.
E
But
hopefully
the
presentation
Works
a
little
bit
better
in
the
last
couple
weeks,
I
think
we
got
it
figured
out.
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Nick
tarpey
planning
staff.
The
item
tonight
that
we're
talking
about
number
right
here,
number
three,
as
you
can
see,
there's
two
parts
to
it.
So
it's
one
item
but
there's
really
kind
of
two
actions
within
that
the
first
one
is
the
land
subdivision.
E
So
that's
a
preliminary
plot
to
divide
the
land
into
New
Lots
for
development,
so
that's
kind
of
sits
on
its
own
thing
and
then
there's
also
design
Alternatives
that
relate
both
to
the
building
design,
but
also
to
some
of
the
bulk
sighting
that
that
would
is
proposed
with
the
development.
So
I'll
try
to
break
that
up
and
we'll
talk
about
both
of
those
elements
individually.
E
So
here's
the
aerial
view
of
the
property,
it's
outlighted
in
yellow
here
it's
on
Thomas
spec,
Road,
it's
about
a
half
mile
to
the
west
of
Southwest,
9th
Street,
and
about
a
half
mile
to
the
east
of
Fleur
Drive,
and
it's
about
a
quarter
mile
south
of
Gray's
Lake.
So
if
you're,
trying
to
orient
yourself
the
building
across
the
way
house,
is
Confluence
Brewing,
it's
a
it's
a
multi-tenant
building
right
now,
as
you
can
see,
there's
a
pretty
big
mix
in
terms
of
the
built
environment.
That's
around.
E
Here's
a
street
image
of
the
property,
so
this
is
taken
looking
to
the
Southwest
kind
of
from
the
Northeast.
So
it's
a
triangular
shaped
parcel.
If
you
can
visualize
that
you'll
see
that,
while
this
portion
of
the
property
is
relatively
flat
close
to
the
street,
you
can
kind
of
see
the
the
gray
change
that's
beginning
to
form,
as
you
get
a
little
bit
farther
south
and
that'll
come
into
play.
E
When
we
talk
about
the
staff
recommendation
and
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
context
of
the
area,
This
Is,
A,
View,
From
the
opposite
side,
so
this
is
from
the
southwest
corner
of
the
site.
Looking
towards
the
Northeast
and
as
you
can
see,
the
gray
change
is
a
little
more
substantial
in
this
area
of
the
site
and
that
necessitated
some
of
the
design
decisions
that
were
made.
You
also
noticed
here
the
bike
trail
that's
coming
out
of
Gray's
Lake
Park.
E
So
here
is
an
aerial
or
a
layout
plan
that
doesn't
have
a
ton
of
detail
on
it,
but
it
really
gives
you
an
idea
of
what
is
proposed.
So
we
got
36
individual
lots
that
are
proposed
36
units
that
are
proposed
as
part
of
this
plat.
We
got
16
of
them
that
are
going
to
be
fronting,
Thomas,
Beck
Road.
They
up
note.
They
do
meet
Bill
to
Zone
requirements
and
things
of
that
nature
that
you
guys
often
talk
about
with
site
plans
and
then
there's
20
units
that
are
proposed
for
the
rear.
E
This
drive
that
you
see
is
a
is
a
private
drive.
It's
going
to
have
private
sewer
infrastructure
with
a
public
water
main,
and
then
we
have
a
detention
area.
That's
proposed
in
the
northeastern
corner
of
the
site.
Here,
here's
just
a
little
bit
more
of
a
detailed
layout
plan,
a
couple
of
the
big
things
that
I
want
to
hit
on.
E
There
are
sidewalks
that
are
proposed
both
within
the
development
and
then
along
the
street
Frontage,
and
then
you
can
see
here
there's
an
improvement
being
made
to
connect
the
proposed
new
sidewalk,
and
this
is
public
sidewalk
with
that
bike
trail.
That
I
showed
you
in
that
last
image,
and
so
there
is
going
to
be
an
enhancement
to
that
stop
to
try
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
that
connectivity
with
that.
E
A
couple
other
views
of
the
plan
showing
some
different
elements:
here's
the
planning
plan.
Here
you
can
see
it's
relatively
robust,
Landscaping
plan.
Some
people
might
have
been
by
the
site
relatively
recently.
They
have
cut
down
a
few
trees,
but
what
they
are
proposing
as
part
of
the
site
improvements,
they
are
proposing
a
relatively
robust
tree
canopy
with
some
Street
trees,
they're
gonna
be
fronting,
Thomas,
Beck,
Road
and
then
also
a
planting
plan
specifically
around
the
detention
Basin
area
and
then
some
trees
throughout
as
per
their
their
Landscaping
plan.
E
They
are
proposing
about
80
percent
total
site
tree
canopy
coverage
upon
full
grow
out
and
that's
over
7.82
Acres
as
they're
proposing
to
have
about
80
tree
canopy
at
full
maturity.
E
All
right
and
then
here's
some
of
the
elevations
of
the
units.
So
these
are
the
units
here
that
are
going
to
be
facing
Thomas
specs
it'll
be
situated
right
on
the
road,
they're
three-story
town
homes,
and
they
got
balconies
on
that
third
floor
garages
in
the
rear
for
the
ones
that
are
facing
tonic
Thomas
back
so
for
vehicular
access,
that's
how
that
would
work,
they
would
come
in
from
the
rear,
here's
a
side
view
of
those
same
units
and
then
just
more
of
a
3D
elevation.
E
So
you
can
see
how
they're
interacting
with
the
grade
change.
Here
you
got
the
Stoops,
you
got
the
garages
in
the
back,
and
these
are
the
units
that
are
in
the
backs.
These
are
the
ones
that
are
situated
behind
the
ones
that
are
fronting
Thomas,
Beck
Road
because
of
the
the
gray
change
the
the
garages
are
going
to
be
oriented
in
front
that'll,
come
into
play
when
we
talk
about
some
of
the
design
alternatives.
E
Still
three
stories
pretty
much
the
exact
same
layout,
except
you
got
the
garage
in
front
as
opposed
in
the
rear,
with
with
the
units
that
are
on
Thomas
back
road
and
again
here's
a
side
view
of
those
and
then
the
3D
elevation.
So
you
can
see
how
they
interact
with
the
great
change
as
the
site
goes
up
to
the
South
as
we
talked
about
a
little
bit
earlier,
and
then
they
also
have
a
man
door
or
a
front
door
as
well.
In
addition
to
the
vehicular
access.
E
So
digging
in
the
staff
report
staff
recommends
approval,
both
the
plot
and
the
site
plan.
I'll
dig
into
some
of
the
applicable
criteria
for
the
design
Alternatives
that
we
considered.
So
as
stated
on
the
agenda
and
in
your
staff
report,
there
was
three
main
design
Alternatives.
The
first
one
was
about
the
lot
line
coverage
so
per
the
road
building
typology.
The
road
building
types
are
required
to
cover
70
of
the
frontage
because
of
the
placement
of
the
detention
area.
E
Some
of
the
grade
changes
at
the
site
the
applicant
was
proposing
about
40,
so
they
needed
to
seek
relief
for
that
element,
but,
like
I
just
said,
because
of
the
relatively
substantial
grade
change
and
really
because
of
that,
where
they
cited
their
detention
area
was
really
the
only
logical
or
practical
place
that
they
could
put
that.
So
that
really
took
a
big
chunk
out
of
their
lot
line
coverage
and
then,
as
you
get
further
west,
the
grade
really
elevated
and
it
really
was
not
possible
to
be
placing
any
units
there.
E
E
So,
looking
at
these
units
that
are
going
to
be
situated
behind
per
the
road
building,
typology
garages
are
not
allowed
to
be
oriented
on
the
front,
so
they
do
require
a
rear.
Vehicular
entrance,
no
garage
doors
on
the
front
first
for
a
lot
of
these
units.
That
was
okay
for
the
zoning
code
because
they
would
be
quote
unquote
hidden
by
the
ones
that
are
on
time
to
spec.
E
But
if
we
go
back
to
the
layout
plan,
you
will
see
that
some
kind
of
sneak
out
a
little
bit
here,
and
so
they
would
be
exposed
to
the
streets.
Those
front
garages
would
be
facing
the
street
wouldn't
be
covered
by
another
building,
and
so
because
of
that
that
necessitated
the
design
relief
to
mitigate
that
the
applicants
like
I
had
mentioned
before
proposed
a
relatively
robust
planning
plan
here.
E
So
it
will
provide
screening
elements
to
shade
any
visual
impacts
that
could
result
from
that
and
also
another
item
that
was
on
the
agenda
as
a
design
alternative
was
the
occupied
space
requirement
garages
as
vehicular
parking
areas
are
not
considered
living
or
occupied
space
on
a
front
facade
that
would
be
facing
a
public
way
and
so
as
a
technicality.
That
also
was
a
design
alternative
that
had
to
request
relief
from
in
the
zoning
code,
but
like
I
mentioned
before,
because
of
the
the
screening
requirement
and
really
just
because
they're
they're.
E
F
Yep,
the
the
Gray's
light
plan
had
a
roundabout
planned
in
that.
How
far
away
is
that
from
this
driver
entrance,
and
will
that
impact
the
ability
to
put
in
that
roundabout
with
this
driveways
are
coming
out?
That's.
E
That's
a
good
question.
It's
so
let
me
go
back
to
the
aerial
here.
E
So
the
roundabout
per
conversations
with
traffic
staff
would
would
technically
would
probably
be
proposed
kind
of
around
this
Bend
here,
where
you
see
that
inflection
point.
So
that
is
really
where
that
would
be
proposed.
So
it
would
be
relatively
close
to
the
development
that
was
taken
into
consideration
in
terms
of
any
type
of
where
we
would
place
the
sidewalk
connection
to
the
trail
and
then
also
adding
sidewalks
and
some
of
the
grading
considerations
that
are
being
considered
at
the
site
right
now.
It's
still
when
it's
super
conceptual
stages.
E
So
it's
not
something
that's
in
the
CIP
or
anything
like
that
in
terms
of
being
proposed
or
allocated
for
funding.
But
it
is
something
that
was
taken
into
consideration
when
citing
the
units
and
inciting
some
of
the
the
I
guess.
The
development
that
came
with
the
units
like
the
grading
and
the
sidewalks
and
that
sort
of
thing.
F
G
Also,
just
sort
of
going
back
to
that
walkway
across
the
street
I
think
you
might
need
to
pull
up
another
picture
of
it.
Yeah
sure
so
is
that
in
the
street
is
that
an
island
or
what
is.
E
Yeah,
so
it's
it's
going
to
have
enhanced
signage,
and
these
are
like
reflector
strips
basically
and
yeah.
There's
like
there's
a
fairly
similar
one,
if
you
guys
have
been
on
so,
if
you're
going
north
on
Hubble
and
you
bang
right
on
Easton
you're
kind
of
going
east
on
the
city
near
where
the
U-Haul
is
there's
like
those
really
kind
of
short,
concrete
Islands
there
that
kind
of
provide
a
pedestrian
buffer
zone
right.
It's
like
like
a
quick
Refuge
place.
So
it's
not
something.
G
Okay,
so
as
part
of
this
traffic
going
West
on
Thomas
Beck
Road
would
not
be
able
to
turn
into
that
Private
Drive.
Is
that
correct.
E
I,
don't
well
this
so
this
portion
here
so
this
this
would
not
be
raised
okay,
and
so
they
could
still
turn
in
I.
Think
there's
only
a
kind
of
immediately
surrounding
the
crosswalk
would
be
a
slightly
raised
portion.
Okay
is
my
understanding.
So,
yes,
it
wouldn't
inhibit
turns
necessarily,
but
it
would
slow
Force
drivers
to
slow
down
around
that
curve
for
sure.
G
H
I
have
a
question
about
utility
meters
or
utility
boxes
on
the
North
units.
Could
you
bring
up
a
view
of
the
side?
Yes
elevations
of
those
please
the
photograph
that
we
would
this.
E
H
About
these,
my
question
is:
look
at
the
the
utility
boxes
or
the
meters
whatever
they
are,
are
those
going
to
be
visible
from
the
street.
E
No,
they
will
not
because
of
what
the
Landscaping
plan
that
is
proposed.
They
are
proposing
some
shrubs
that
would
screen
that
and
they're
within
the
size
that
a
landscape
screen
would
be
appropriate
for
that.
A
Any
other
questions
for
Nick
all
right.
Thank
you
is
there.
Anyone
present
well,
first
of
all,
I
do
want
to
make
sure
everyone's
here
for
item
number
three,
because
everything
else
has
been
moved
to
consent
and
approved.
So
if
you're
not
here
for
item
three,
you
can
leave
just
I,
don't
want
to
waste
anyone's
time
yeah.
A
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
wishes
to
speak
in
favor
of
this
item
this
evening?
What
oh
sorry
applicant,
the
applicant?
Yes,
you
can
come
up
and
speak
10
minutes.
Please
state
your
name
and
sign
in
when
you're
finished.
C
Lorino
wayson
Snyder
and
Associates
at
2727,
Southwest,
Snyder,
Boulevard
I,
think
Nick
pretty
much
covered
the
entirety
of
the
project.
So
I'm
just
here
to
ask
to
answer
any
questions.
If
you
have
any.
I
I
I
have
spent
several
hours
reviewing
the
master
plan
against
this
proposal
that
master
plan
that
the
city
spent
thousands
of
dollars
and
many
put
in
thousands
of
hours
creating
a
consultant
was
hired
residents
were
queried.
The
plan
was
issued,
it's
probably
sitting
on
a
shelf
somewhere
or
maybe
in
today's
parlance
in
the
tldr
file.
I
I
It's
not
just
a
few
trees,
it's
being
clear-cut
and
when
I
went
by
there
today,
it
appeared
that
some
of
the
trees
had
been
shipped
but
most
of
the
trees
and
dirt
were
just
being
hauled
away.
It
would
be
interesting
to
know
what's
going
on
with
the
rest
of
that.
I
Additionally,
grass
was
mentioned
to
be
grown
around
the
building
and
buildings,
and
it
would
be
much
more
sustainable
if
we
considered
pollinators
and
other
native
plantings,
one
you
wouldn't
have
to
mow
it
and
two,
it's
better
for
all
of
us,
including
the
little
bees
and
are
these
buildings
being
beat
all
built
all
electric
with
no
gas.
The
developer
should
strongly
consider
using
geothermal
heat
pumps
for
AC
and
heat.
Yes,
the
higher
installation
costs
are
there,
but
better
for
the
environment
and
much
cheaper
to
run.
These
are
flat
roofs.
I
What
about
solar
panels,
especially
on
the
south
buildings?
Will
the
garages
come
with
level
two
charging
stations?
Evs
are
our
near
future
and
to
not
accommodate
electric
vehicles
is
a
mistake.
In
my
opinion,
permeable
payment
pavers
were
mentioned
in
the
master
plan.
Are
you
using
them
here?
Affordability
was
also
a
big
topic,
scattered
site,
affordable
units
mixed
with
market
rate.
What
are
the
affordable
plans
here?
I
Sanitary
Soother,
the
sexy
part
per
the
master
plan
quote
there
appears
to
be
plenty
of
sanitary
sewer
capacity
to
serve
development,
except
for
the
planting
area
located
south
of
Thomas
Beck
Road.
Oh
this
one,
the
existing
sewer
along
this
south
side
of
Thomas
Beck
Road,
is
likely
too
small
to
adequately
serve
Redevelopment
with
Apartments
and
Townhomes
in
this
area.
So
this
line
would
lead
to
be
replaced
with
a
larger
Maine.
The
city
should
consider
replacing
the
sewer
to
consider
to
coincide
with
the
first
proposed
development
along
the
south
side
of
Thomas
Beck
Road.
I
Is
this
sanitary
sewer
line
replacement
in
a
CIP?
Has
the
city
committed
to
the
replacing
the
line
to
coincide
with
this
development?
The
developer
has
proposed
a
private
sanitary
sewer
under
the
private
dive
to
connect
to
the
an
existing
manhole.
Will
our
existing
infrastructure
support
it
with
kind
of
gloss
over
it?
Now
the
storm
sewer?
The
developer
also
proposes
the
private
storm
sewer
system,
a
five-year
event,
which
happens.
I
I
Now
I
had
to
use
the
Google
to
figure
out
what
a
weir
was,
and
it
seems
It's
a
low
head
Dam
that
goes
across
a
river
or
perhaps
when
a
Contraption
to
catch
fish
in
said
River
I,
not
sure
if
it's
there's
different
definition
for
where
I
looked
in
several
places,
but
we're
trying
to
raise
millions
of
dollars
to
remove
low
head
Dam,
so
I'm
not
sure
why
we
would
put
one
on
dirt
here.
Also
the
detention
Basin
is
going
to
feature.
I
The
Master
Plan
called
for
a
survey
and
inspection
and
sewers
to
develop
an
inspection
of
sewers
and
to
develop
a
long
and
short
range
plan.
Has
that
been
completed
by
the
city
parking
garages?
The
plan
calls
for
one
guest
parking
space
per
unit.
I
couldn't
quite
figure
where
out
where
that
was
I'm.
Presuming
on
the
garage
aprons,
that's
that
seems
great
either
way
wherever
you're
going
to
call
it.
36
parking
spaces
for
36
units
is
well
overdone,
especially
with
two
car
garages.
I
Thanks
for
the
three
bike
racks,
though
resident
safety,
the
developer
agrees
to
sidewalks
on
the
private
drive
on
the
south
side
of
Thomas
Beck.
Will
this
be
a
side
path
versus
a
sidewalk
I?
Don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
ridden
a
bike
on
Thomas
Beck
lately,
like
I,
have
today
it's
White
Knuckle
with
a
speed
limit
of
35
and
tons
of
tough
truck
traffic.
I
A
side
path
would
accommodate
bicyclists
and
pedestrians
in
this
stretch,
and
will
that
continue
around
the
bend?
It's
a
very
dangerous
Bend.
If
you're
coming
from
the
west
and
people
can't
see
if
you've
just
gone
around
the
bed,
those
big
trucks
would
take.
You
out
the
staff
document
also
says,
as
you
talked
about
The
Pedestrian
connection,
it's
nice
to
hear
that
that
will
indeed
connect
with
the
the
path.
That's
there,
it
wasn't
clear
in
what
was
presented
in
the
packet
I
hope.
I
It
would
be
sad
that
a
roundabout
would
be
lost
to
this
presentation,
which
you
said
includes
a
lot
of
stripes
painted,
stripes
or
maybe
reflective
strips
which
don't
slow
people
down,
especially
those
big
trucks
utilities.
It
mentions
using
mid-am,
LED,
Autobahn
or
autohan
poles
and
fixtures.
I
hope
those
are
sexy.
Ones
were
the
existing
lines,
be
buried
at
developers,
expense
and
again,
I
hope
for
fully
electrified
buildings
and,
finally,
the
design
we
are
Des
Moines.
We
are
not
West,
Des,
Moines
or
Ankeny.
I
Please
consider
a
more
sexy,
creative
and
unique
design
for
these
buildings.
This
is
the
first
one
in
this
area.
What
is
the
bricktop
as
part
of
the
bricktop
36?
Frankly,
the
north
side,
elevations,
look
like
the
first
floor
is
being
smooshed
like
a
melting
cake,
a
little
top
heavy.
Are
these
apartments
or
condos
I
couldn't
find
that
in
the
right
right
up,
and
will
you
be
asking
for
City
assistance,
you're.
A
For
staff
or
applicants
or
okay
yeah
yeah,
the
applicant
will
come
up
and
yeah
applicant.
You
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal
and
I
think
some
questions
from
the
commissioners.
A
Oh
yeah
yep
no
worries,
so
if
you
want
to
speak
at
all
just
is
it
neutral
or
you
just
have
questions?
Okay,
let's
just
call
it
neutral.
Then
so
you
just
come
up.
You
have
five
minutes.
J
Good
evening,
Zach
Mahoney,
the
question
we
have
is
just
with
regards
can.
J
We
sit
adjacent
to
the
property
on
the
south,
it
sounded
like
and
I
was
paying
close
attention,
but
it
sounded
like
most
of
the
trees
were
going
to
stay,
so
I
guess
we're
the
question
really
is
just
whether
or
not
as
you
go
up
that
grade.
If
there's
going
to
be,
if
the
trees
are
going
to
stay
and
or
if
there
is
a
phase,
two
of
the
project
being
considered,
perhaps
36
more
bricktop.
B
Hi
Tracy
mumma,
1231,
River,
Vista,
Drive
I,
just
in
one
of
the
drawings
I
happen
to
see
in
the
back
the
rear
of
the
elevation
did
it
see.
Was
there
a
fort
another
four
Plex
of
something
there?
It
was
curious.
What
that
was
sorry,
could
you?
Maybe
it's
storage
or
something
I
just
didn't
quite
know
what
that
was.
I
A
The
applicant
now
has
five
minutes
for
rebuttal
and
to
address
some
of
these
questions.
C
I'll
answer
the
question
about
the
future
development
right
now:
I
haven't
I'm,
not
the
owner,
so
I
I'm
not
sure
about
that
right.
Now
we
don't
have
any
future
plans
for
it,
but
we
can
communicate
with
City
staff.
If
something
does
come
up
to.
Let
you
guys
know
about
that.
K
E
I
could
probably
pull
up,
maybe
the
grading
specific
sheets,
but
as
you
get
up
the
grade
does
get
steeper.
I,
don't
know
the
exact
calculations
of
that
necessarily,
but
I
do
know
as
you
get
up
it
kind
of
Curves
up
like
that.
E
That
look
like
it
would
be
a
challenge.
It's
I
mean.
If
there's
not,
we
can't
tell
people
that
they
necessarily
couldn't
do
it,
but
I.
Logistically,
you
know
it
would
be
harder
than
what
they're
showing
here
to
do.
That
there'll
probably
be
some
access
questions
as
well.
It
was
not
indicated
to
us
that
they
had
plans
to
do
that
at
all.
I
also
know
just
on
some
of
their
literature
that
they've
kind
of
marketed
it
as
a
preserved
space.
Again
I
don't
know
exactly,
but
that
is
hasn't
been
indicated
to
us.
Yeah.
K
I
just
wanted
clarification.
It
seemed
like
there's
two
folks
here
that
had
some
questions
about
the
cover
and
then
also
that
development,
so
just
just
trying
to
help
out.
Thank
you.
E
Can
I
also
I
want
to
show
the
the
the
barrier
in
the
middle
or
the
little
Island
just
want
to
give
people
a
visual?
What
that
looks
like.
E
E
There
are
some
additional
markings
here
and
then
you
have
the
kind
of
the
medians
in
here
so
to
speak,
so
just
to
get
people
a
visual
of
that.
What
that
looked
like
happy
to
also
answer
any
other
questions
as
well.
H
Is
this
the
same
kind
of
feature
that
is
on
Euclid
about
15th,
Street
or
so
it's
just
occurred,
come
up
recently
and
I'm
wondering
if
you've
had
any
feedback
about
its
utility
I.
E
E
So
just
kind
of
we're
looking
at
this,
this
large
view
here
so
just
another
thing
to
point
out:
people
are
talking
about
future
development
back
here
to
the
South.
This
is
all
designated
as
an
outlet,
so
they
couldn't
develop
on
it
now,
they're,
not
planning
for
it.
It's
it's
designated
as
an
open
space.
So
that's
part
of
this
submittal.
E
E
So
they,
the
developers,
the
applicants
have
indicated
that
there's
a
tree
line
here
and-
and
that
is
that's
proposed
to
stay.
So
this
is
really
the
extent
of
any
type
of
tree
clearing
on
on
the
property.
So
this
is
this
is
the
line
or
the
extent
of
any
removals,
basically
which
you
can
follow.
My
cursor,
the
clear
cut
as
Carol
mentioned.
G
Capacity
of
this
storm
and
sanitary
sewer
already
happened.
Yes,.
E
Yeah
that
was
that
was
part
of
the
engineering
review.
There
was
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
about
that
early
on,
because
they
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
hey.
This
is
a
pretty
heavily
graded
site.
There's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
storm
water
here.
What
are
we
going
to
do
about
it?
And
so
I
know
our
engineering
staff
and
the
Snyder
staff
went
there's
a
couple
iterations
of
the
design,
and
ultimately
this
is
this
main
detention.
E
Basin
is
what
was
proposed
because
it
is
the
flattest
area
of
the
site
and
it
really
is
designed
to
capture
the
existing
flows
of
the
water.
So
it's
designed
to
mimic
kind
of
already
how
it
settles
for
lack
of
a
better
word
and
I
can
have
the
engineer,
maybe
explain
a
little
bit
better
than
I
could
and
it's
designed
to
capture
flows
that
are
coming
from
even
farther
south,
so
off
the
site
that
are
coming
into
the
site,
as
well
as
any
flows
from
from
on-site.
C
Yeah
so
existing,
that's
all
where
the
water
goes
today,
there's
an
intake
there
that
kind
of
captures
all
of
it.
So
that's
kind
of
the
best
place
for
the
detention
Basin,
which
the
purpose
of
putting
that
Basin
in
there
is
to
kind
of
we're
matching
what
what
is
coming
out
of
there
today.
So
we're
not
increasing
the
flows
to
that
intake.
E
And
also
too
I
just
remember.
There
was
a
question
about
the
Weir
earlier
from
my
understanding
and
feel
free
to
butt
in
if
I'm
speaking
incorrectly.
But
the
Weir
is
basically
like
a
it's
a
device
that
you
would
install
like
at
the
head
of
a
body
of
water
that
would
kind
of
slow
release
any
water,
so
that
that
is
the
the
point
of
that.
Is
that
correct.
C
For
this,
for
this
project,
we
typically
put
like
a
I
believe
it
was
a
50
foot
weird
so
that,
in
the
case
that
the
the
outlet
of
that
pump
of
that
Basin
is
obstructed,
that
the
water
can
still
go
where
it
needs
to
go
and
it's
just
not
flooding
and
then
for
the
rip
wrap.
We
do
put
that
in
there
for
erosion
purposes,.
E
Yeah,
as
far
as
I
know
they're
to
be
for
sale,
that's
why
that
they're
planning
them
they're
going
to
be
sold
as
condos.
E
That's
I
mean
that's
at
least
initially,
after
that
we
can't
necessarily
control
what
the
the
applicant
or
the
developer
would
choose
to
do,
but
at
least
initially
yes
for
sale.
There
was
also
some
questions
about
sustainability.
I'll
try
to
hit
on
that
a
little
bit
the
applicant
I
think
is
going
to
be
proposing,
and
this
is
still
something
when
in
the
staff
wreck,
when
it
says
all
administrative
comments,
this
is
still
something
that's
trying
to
be
sorted
out,
but
I
think
they
are
going
to
include
some
EB
stations
in
the
garages.
E
That
is
something
that
the
applicants
want
to
do:
yeah
and
elsewise.
They
they
could
apply
and
qualify
for
tax
abatement
under
the
city's
missing
middle
program.
They
have
not
applied
for
any
other
type
of
direct
City
assistance,
though.
E
K
Are
there
any
other
storm
water
practices
that
will
be
implemented
on
this
property?
I
know
Carol
had
some
concerns
about
some
native
plantings
native
turfs.
Has
that
been
considered
as
well.
E
In
terms
so
I
know
that
we
we've
asked
the
applicants
to
really
beef
up
a
lot
of
the
vegetation
around
the
detention
Basin
there
was.
There
was
some
consideration,
give
it
to
Native
plantings.
We
just
had
them
use
what
was
on
the
the
city
approved
species
list
and
that's
a
mix
of
native
and
non-native
species,
and
we
thought
that
would
help
with
some
of
the
storm
water
as
well.
E
Some
aesthetic
items
as
well
but
yeah,
just
I,
guess
to
reiterate
and
feel
free
to
jump
in,
but
the
the
storm
sewer,
so
the
actual
lines
are
proposed
and
then
also
the
detention.
Basin
are
really
the
two
main
stormwater
mechanisms.
E
Well,
we
have,
we
have
the
impervious
area
requirements
and
the
site
is
meeting
that
they're
leaving
most
of
the
site
undisturbed,
so
they're
well
below
that
threshold
of
Hardscape.
So
that
is
a
requirement
and
then
in
terms
of
what
they
actually
plant
in
terms
of
shrubs
and
trees,
it
it
does
get
reviewed
by
our
city,
floor
stores,
Foresters.
So
whenever
we
send
out
site
plans
for
review,
our
Forestry
Department
does
take
a
look
at
that
of
the
species.
Sometimes
they
do
provide
productive
feedback
like
that.
E
So
really
like
in
between
the
units,
so
that
this
would
be
like
a
turf
grass,
and
then
you
got
the
the
sidewalk
stretching
down
to
the
public
sidewalk.
Here
you
got
the
street
and
you
have
the
driveways
here
that
that
will
be
where
guests
will
park.
There's
a
question
about
that
so
yeah
really
in
between
the
units
behind
the
units,
this
area
here
this
kind
of
staging
area
for
lack
of
a
better
word
and
then
the
areas
around
the
detention
Basin
as
well
would
be
grassed.
E
So
as
far
as
mine
I
know,
besides
the
sidewalks
in
the
streets
that
are
proposed,
there's
no
in
the
actual
buildings,
there's
no
other
Hardscape
areas
like
a
patio
or
anything
like
that.
E
Sure
in
in
the
Disturbed
area,
you're
absolutely
correct
the
area
that
they're
disturbing
it
is
going
to
be
pretty
hardscaped,
but
then
they're
also
they're,
leaving
most
of
the
site
undisturbed
in
terms
of
square
footage
or
acreage.
So
that's
their
rationale
behind
that
I.
K
Maybe
the
and
I
know
this
comes
at
your
cost,
and
this
is
your
property
you
own
it,
but
maybe
look
into
some
native
turfs
I
think
this
would
be
a
great
opportunity
to
talk
about
sustainability.
Those
grasses
typically
only
have
to
be
mowed
twice
a
year
so
now
you're
cutting
your
maintenance
costs
down
and
with
so
little
grass
that
needs
to
be
maintained.
Why
not
go
with
like
a
blue
grama?
K
So
that's
just
my
only
suggestion,
but
what
we're
thinking
about
sustainability
that
would
help
cut
your
your
property
management
costs
down
so
foreign.
F
In
the
well
I
guess
three
sorry
so
in
the
Grayslake
plan,
there's
really
nothing
about
digital
connectivity.
Is
there
anything?
Is
there
any
digital
connectivity
plan
here
or
making
sure
that,
what's
being
done
here
with
respect
to
any
cabling
underground,
cabling
of
fiber
does
not
impede
for
many
future
development,
either
up
or
down
the
street
or
getting
acts
and
getting
better
access
to
the
neighborhood
to
the
West?
F
The
second
one
is
Carol,
went
through
a
very
significant
line
by
line,
and
it
seems
like
there
may
be
differences
of
opinion
of
how
well
this
complies
with
that
plan
when
you're
looking
at
any
difference
like
what
do
you?
What's?
What
were
the
city's
top
three
differences
between
that
plan?
And,
what's
here
and
the
last
piece,
was
she
also
identified
significant?
What
sounded
like
non-conformances
between
what's
I
guess
identified
in
this
packet
and
in
that
plan
and
what's
actually
occurring
on
site?
Has
anyone
actually
looked
into
that?
E
Yeah,
so
the
Grayslake
plan
that
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
referencing
right.
Now,
it's
actually
technically
still
in
a
draft
phase.
So
it's
not
something.
That's
been
formally
adapted
necessarily,
and
it's
also
I
think
it
in
some
ways
it
conforms.
But
you
are
correct.
E
Maybe
in
other
ways
it
doesn't
it's
considered
kind
of
an
advisory
document,
and
so,
when
I,
when
we
review
these
plots
and
these
site
plans,
there's
not
really
a
necessarily
a
legal
standing
that
we
have
like
our
zoning
code,
which
is
law
in
the
city,
and
so
we
have
to
evaluate
sites
for
compliance
with
that
that,
with
the
Grayslake
plan,
that's
not
necessarily
something
that
we
have
authority
over.
So
it's
something
that
I
think
is
a
document.
E
That's
used
to
guide
future
development,
it's
going
to
be
given
to
both
the
private
sector
development
community
and
also
as
City
staff,
to
try
to
encourage
development
like
that
and
try
to
achieve
some
of
those
goals.
But
when
we
would
review
a
development
like
this,
it's
it's
not
something
that
we
would
take
that
out
and
we
would
compare
it
line
by
line
necessarily
at
you
know.
I
I
would
love
that,
like
in
terms
of
you
know
as
an
aspirational
document,
but
that's
it's
just
it's
not
under
the
criteria
that
I
would
review.
Unfortunately,.
D
L
L
Property
is
in
this
gray
area
here,
because
at
the
time
that
the
master
plan
was
done,
it
was
known
that
this
project
was
already
in
the
pipeline,
so
they
didn't
bother
to
show
a
conceptual
footprint
of
this
project
here,
just
knowing
that
there's
already
something
in
the
works
but
I
kind
of
to
piggyback
off
what
Nick
said
with
the
plan
it's
more
or
less
like
a
guiding
document.
So
if
this
property
would
have
needed
a
rezoning,
then
we
would
have
looked
at
well.
What
does
the
plan
call
for
here?
L
But
since
this
property
didn't
need
a
rezoning
and
it
already
complies
with
the
ordinances-
are
on
the
books,
those
ordinances
being
chapters
134
and
135-
there's
really
not
a
whole
lot
of
I
guess
ability
for
the
city
to
implement
the
requirements
of
the
plan.
If
you
understand
what
I'm
saying
since
yeah.
F
No,
that's
fine!
Even
if
we
can't
say
hey,
don't
do
this
yeah
Carol
I
think
is
rightly
saying.
We
come
up
with
a
plan
that
we
should
develop
a
strategy
from
and
we
should
have
we've
gone
and
done
a
big
visioning.
Where
does
this
go?
Where
is
this
most
significantly
different
from
that
Vision?
That
was
laid
out
here.
L
I
think
this
planet,
this
site
plan
before
you
tonight,
actually
follows
the
vision
of
this
plan.
If
you
look
here
on
this
final
master
plan,
it
says
a
future
and
I
can
zoom
in
so
you
can
read
the
words
on
it,
but
like
it
actually
calls
for
what's
being
proposed
tonight.
I
agree.
Some
of
those
features
like
the
all-electric
or
the
EV
charging
stations
would
be
great
to
incorporate,
but
you
can
see
this
master
plan
just
calls
for
a
proposed
Row,
House
Development
right
here-
and
you
were
asked
mentioning
this
roundabout
here.
F
So
the
other
two
were
connectivity.
Are
there
any
connectivity
impediments
in
the
current
plan,
four
or
five
or
anything
for
this
I
mean?
Is
this
just
going
to
be
like
another
DSL
building
like
it
is
by
the
river
or
I
mean
like
further
further
making
it
inaccessible
for
people
to
work
from
home
or
what's
right.
L
F
L
Like
I
said,
if
there's
a
rezoning
that
was
a
proposed,
then
we
would
be
able
to
look
at
that
master
plan
and
say:
oh:
does
this
rezoning
comply
with
the
master
plan?
Are
there
any
zoning
conditions
that
we
should
put
in
that
carry
the
goals
of
this
master
plan
forward
and
codify
them
by
rezoning
ordinance.
E
Just
kind
of
related
to
that
there
was
a
question
about
utilities
earlier
they
are
undergrounding
all
the
utilities
as
part
of
this,
so
all
the
lines
that
you
might
have
seen
on
street
view
those
are
going
underground
and
the
developer
is
paying
for
them.
M
I
was
just
going
to
suggest
I,
don't
know
if
those
generate
any
questions
to
to
be
the
groups,
but
we
are
considering
whether
to
relax
a
frontage
requirement
visually,
especially
the
corridor
for
this
master
plan
and
everything
it'd
be
much
stronger
if
it
did
have
another
four
units
on
the
street
were
options
for
underground
detention
or
something
that
would
allow
those
four
units,
even
if
it
was
to
lose
four
of
the
units
in
the
back,
were
they
considered
or
evaluated.
Was
it
cost
prohibitive.
E
Yeah,
as
far
most
of
those
discussions
take
place
with
our
engineering
staff,
I
think
it
was
talked
about.
I
I
think
it
was
probably
mentioned,
as
cost
protective
by
the
developer,
and
it
would
it's
still
in
compliance
like
I
said,
with
our
our
zoning
ordinance
and
so
there's
not
anything
that
we
can
do
to
outright
prohibit
the
underground
detention
or
the
above
ground
attention
as
it
was
proposed.
So
I
think
it
was
talked
about.
E
M
Okay,
so
I
guess
maybe
what
I
would
throw
out
for
us
consider
would
be.
We've
had
some
conversations
about
Native
plantings
and
making
that
that
the
foreground
space,
attractive
or
exemplary
to
sustainability
goals,
or
something
like
that
I
think
it'd
be
a
fair
requirement
for
us
to
put
on
you
know
an
additional
requirement,
especially
for
that
space.
M
C
Yeah,
so
the
purpose
of
the
the
tension
Basin
is
to
capture
that
storm
water
and
then
slowly
release
it
to
either
it's
so
like
I
mentioned
earlier
that
released
right.
That
ghost
into
the
existing
infrastructure
is
going
to
be
either
less
or
or
matching
that
that
release
rate
in
this
planting
plan,
we've
got
a
bunch
of
trees
and
shrubs
along
there
and
I
believe
that
the
ton
seed
mix
but
structure,
wisers
storm,
sewer
plantings
and
that's
it.
E
That's
it
would
you
be
able
to
speak
a
little
bit
more
on
some
of
the
materials
in
the
Basin?
That
I
think
that's
what
he
was
trying
to
hit
at
like
on
the
Box
on
the
bottom
and
maybe
what's
around.
K
I'll,
try
them
in
so
I
know:
they're,
there's,
there's
new
ideas
to
start
filling
those
spaces
in
what
deep
rooted
plants
which
will
also
increase
your
water
capacity
and
water
absorption
rate.
So
that's
what
I
was
asking
if
there
would
be
any
type
of
native
plants
that
are
deep
rooted
that
can
survive
in
water,
because
then
that
will
give
it
more
of
a
curb
appeal.
Instead
of
just
a
dried
up,
detention,
Pond
or
a
filled
one
after
a
rainfall.
G
F
I
have
two
more
questions,
then
sorry,
so
you
said:
cost
prohibitive.
What's
the
standard
of
cost
prohibitive,
you're
using
and
making
that.
E
So
in
terms
of
how
we,
so
that's
not
really
a
criteria
that
we
would
evaluate,
necessarily
we
that
was
that
was
indicated
to
our
engineering
staff
in
terms
of
like
the
logistics
and
the
cost
prohibitiveness
of
the
underground
detention,
and
we
felt
based
on
the
corridor
and
based
on
what
was
proposed
here.
We
thought
that
the
proposed
solution
was
appropriate.
We
don't
have
a
standard
like
we
do,
maybe
with
utilities
when
we
consider
cost
prohibitiveness
like
an
actual
threshold.
E
Necessarily
that,
oh
you
know
you
met
this
and
okay,
so
we're
gonna,
allow
you
do
above
ground
necessarily
I
mean
it
was
considered,
it
was
talked
about
and
it
was
determined
that
it
would
be
appropriate
for
the
site.
So.
E
I
mean
that
that's
our
engineering
staff
is
the
ones
they
ran
through
the
models
with
them
and
they're
the
ones
that
said
that
this
was
an
appropriate
form
of
detention
on
the
site
and
as
planning
staff.
We
thought
you
know
with.
They
are
all
the
units
that
are
proposed.
They
are
within
the
bill,
2
Zone.
It
is
relatively
compliant
with
chapter
135.
Yes,
that
you
know.
If
we
could
add
a
few
more
units,
it
would
make
it
better,
but
at
the
same
time
it
was
just
it
was
an
extremely
I
guess.
E
The
message
from
our
engineering
staff
is
that
it
was
extremely
cost
per
hit
and
prohibitive
to
be
able
to
put
it
underground
and
development
wouldn't
necessarily
happen
that
way.
That
was
the
language
that
we
got
from
our
engineering
staff
and
we
rely
on
their
guidance
when
we
make
these
decisions
in
terms
of
chapter
135.,
then.
F
E
E
They
didn't
they
kind
of
gave.
You
know
this
is
ballpark
what
it's
going
to
be.
I
know
they
also
when
that
the
price
was
being
talked
about.
That
was
about
like
a
year
and
a
half
ago
when
they
came
in
for
their
initial
pre-application
meeting
with
the
city.
I,
don't
really
know
if
that's
evolved
from
from
this
point
on
okay.
E
M
I
had
one
for
you
Nick
at
trying
to
address
the
sexiness
of
the
architecture.
Comment
in
the
back
is
it
looks
like
most
of
it
like
kind
of
does,
follow
the
zoning
code,
but
I
think
balconies
are
only
supposed
to
have
40
coverage
on
facades.
This
doesn't
look
like
40.
Is
it
in
line
it.
E
M
A
All
right,
if
there
are
no
other
questions,
thanks,
Nick
and
applicant.
K
I
politely
make
an
amendment
to
the
motion:
real,
quick,
okay,
thank
you
staff.
So
just
one
question
I'll
make
it
super
quick
because
I
know
we've
been
spinning
on
this,
but
how
do
we
as
a
city
make
it
a
requirement
to
be?
How
do
we
force
developers
to
make
it
a
requirement
to
be
renewable
when
we're
talking
about
like
the
wood
chips,
the
dirt,
the
Retention
Ponds?
What
are
we
planning?
Pervial
pavers.
Is
that
something
that
city
council
has
to
well.
L
I
guess
the
takatify
best
way
would
be
if
it
was
like
part
of
the
tax
abatement
standards
and
that's
kind
of
how
we've
addressed
the
sustainability
piece.
So
far,
we
try
to
incentivize
people
to
do
that.
It's
like
enigm
those
tax
payment
standards
better
than
me,
but
in
order
for
a
property
to
get
tax
abatement,
they
have
to
check
so
many
boxes
on
the
list
of
sustainable
features,
but
in
landscaping
is
also
a
part
of
that.
E
Just
to
answer
questions
on
tax
Vape
I
know
that's
kind
of
a
hot
button
issue.
So
this
what
this
is
It's
called
missing
middle.
So
what
city
council
approved
last
year
and
went
into
effect
on
January
1st,
because
these
are
all
2
to
12
unit
structures.
It
automatically
qualifies
for
a
missing
middle
tax
payment.
That's
an
eight-year
tax
payment
that
city
council
passed
it's
part
of
our
Urban
plan.
E
It
cannot
if
it
provides
certain
standards
so
like
the
EV
charging
stations,
as
well
as
a
an
energy
code
review
that
exceeds
our
energy
thresholds
when
it
goes
when
these
go
through
their
building
code
review,
they
can
get
a
nine
year
abatement
so
that
for
this
site,
specifically,
they
could
be
eligible
for
that
if
they
want
to
provide
those.
K
F
You
isn't
there
a
practical
process
there
where,
theoretically,
if
we
say
hey,
we
don't
like
the
design,
we
vote
it
down
or
advisory
committee
anyway,
and
then
city
council
either
accepts
or
ejects.
So
if
you
say,
there's
not
enough
pavers
there's
none
of
this.
We
haven't
required
enough
that
you
say,
don't
like
it
and
say
no
right
and
if
enough
say
no
and
city
council
says
no,
then
it's
a
no
and
it
has
to
be
fixed.
I
mean
that's
a
practical
reality.
L
Yeah
I
mean
the
commission
can
put
whatever
conditions
you
feel
are
necessary
in
order
to
offset
the
design
Alternatives
that
are
being
requested.
It's,
like
you,
know
the
plat.
We
really
find
meets
all
of
our
requirements.
However,
the
site
plan
was
meeting
all
of
our
requirements,
except
for
those
three
design
Alternatives,
but
the
commission
is
able
to
put
any
conditions
on
the
site
plan
that
you
feel
necessary.
L
That
would
offset
the
impacts
of
those
design
deficiencies
that
are
being
requested
through
the
type
2
design,
Alternatives
and
you're
right
that,
if
the
motion
to
approve
the
site
plan
subject
to
those
conditions,
if
that's
how
the
commission
votes
and
that
gets
made
into
the
motion.
So
since
it's
a
site
plan,
the
commission
is
actually
the
final
decision
maker.
Unless
the
applicant
doesn't
like
the
commission's
decision,
then
they
can
appeal
back
to
city
council.
F
L
K
I
know
Carol
raised
some
questions
too
about
the
the
plan.
So
that's
why
I
was
just
like
yeah.
Do
we
have
the
power
to
reel
this
back,
which
I'm
not
don't
worry
and
if
we
do
not,
because
I
don't
want
to
bog
down
the
process
what's
the
next
step,
so
we
are
a
renewable
city.
Is
that
going
to
city
council
making
them
codify
it?
So.
L
That's
standard
codifying
it
through
the
tax
abatement
standards
so
like
the
city
council,
could
really
tighten
the
reins
on
tax,
evade
and
say
you're
only
going
to
get
tax
abatement.
If
you
do
100,
electric
and
I
know
that
was
discussed,
but
I
know
that
it's
not
where
the
council
landed
at
the
when
they
approved
the
last
standards.
D
I
have
one
question
sure,
since
it's
receiving
abatement
under
some
program,
it'll
go
before
the
Urban
Design
review
board
correct.
No.
L
If
it
was
receiving
Tiff
financing
or
some
other
City
assistance,
then
it
would
go
to
the
Urban
Design
review
board,
but
just
tax
abatement
alone
would
not
trigger
all.
E
A
good
question,
so
it's
eligible
for
it,
abatement
is
not
awarded
until
buildings
are
eligible
for
certificate
of
occupancy.
So
it's
not
awarded
abatement
at
site
plan
approval,
so
they
have
to
construct
it.
They
have
to
get
their
CEOs
issued
before
an
abatement
can
kick
in
and
then
also
for
that.
You
know
the
additional
year
that
I
talked
about
with
the
sustainability
features
that
undergoes
a
building
code
review
and
that's
inspected.
So
that's
not
awarded,
even
if
they
say
they
did
it
that's
still
inspected
before
they
can
get
that
that
extra
year
added
on.
L
F
So
if
the
plan
is
approved-
and
they
do
ask
for
Tiff
not
just
for
abatement,
so
it's
highly
likely
that
they
will
get
an
abatement
which
would
be
a
city
support
if
they
do
get
it.
If
they
do
request
Tiff
from
then
on,
it
would
go
to
Urban
review
board,
but
right
now
it's
not
intended
to
go
there
until
they
request
it
later
exactly
I.
L
K
I'm
I'm,
okay,
with
the
plan
I
just
I
just
had
questions
what
what
does
the
city
required
and
and
what?
What
power
or
leverage
that
we
can
to
start
pushing
for
some
of
these
sustainable
I.
Some
of
these
sustainable
ideas
to
make
them
a
reality
into
projects.
K
A
F
We're
at
a
planned
stage
to
divide
up
the
the
lot
right
and
it
sounds
like
there
if
there
is
significant
support
from
the
city
there's
another
opportunity.
It
sounds
like
this.
You
know
it's
not
taking
any
credits
so
far.
It
sounds
like
it's
not
really
going
for
any
desire
to
be
affordable.
It's
just
saying:
hey:
we've
got
this
plot
of
land.
We
got
this
thing
we're
going
to
put
up
as
these
big
expensive
houses
that
all
conformed
ordinance,
it
doesn't
seem
like.
We
have
a
whole
lot
to
be
able
to
do
on
that
right.
A
A
All
right
that
moves
passes
and
are
there
any
directors,
reports
or
anything
all
right?
Well,
thank
you.
Everyone
we're
adjourned.